January 24, 2022 • 39 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington applaud the NFL for putting on the greatest divisional round ever. It feels like the end of an era with Tom Brady, but now is not the time to walk away. No surprise Antonio Brown trolls the Bucs after their loss and Odell Beckham Jr. takes a loss in the crypto world.
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Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady, Quinn, Jonas Knocks. Coming up on this
Monday edition, a round of applause to the NFL as
a whole, maybe the best weekend of NFL football any
of us have ever seen, and we're gonna break it
down wall to wall coverage. We're gonna talk about the
mistake that was made by the Buffalo Bills. We're gonna
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talk about Tom Brady's future with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Is retirement a real option this time? Speaking of retirement,
Aaron Rodgers is hinted at that, but we do have
some odds on where he may end up if he
leaves Green Bay. We've got a troll job, We've got
an FSR I R, and we've got the b Q News.
All of it is yours on this Monday Extravaganza after
a wild weekend in the NFL. Two pros and a
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We appreciate you doing so. We're gonna take you all
the way up until nine am Eastern times, six o'clock Pacific,
right here on Fox Sports Radio. And I would just
like to do this first and foremost um round of
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applause to the NFL man round of In fact, I'm
gonna stand up. I'm standing up round of applause. That
is how you put on a weekend of football. Good Christ,
what a weekend of football displayed by the NFL. Um
one of the best that I can recall. I don't
actually have my divisional weekends all times stacked or ranked
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off hand, but that's maybe one of the best weekends
of football I can recall ever seeing top to bottom.
I give you a stat that I believe holds up
to it. It's it wouldn't be FETs to call the
greatest divisional round weekend. Ever. I believe going into last
night's game, the lowest amount of point differential was like
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eighteen points we were at nine. Given how every game
ended on the final play in a field goal, it
seemed like in most cases, and so given the differential
in that game, it puts underneath that number. So you
could have said, and it was, this wouldn't be hyperbole,
this was the greatest Divisional round NFL history ever. And
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last night's game, you know, it reminded you of Kansas City,
New England, but it had that sort of feel to it,
but obviously new faces with the Buffalo Bills and Josh
Allen being a part of it. But I would not
be upset at anyone if they said that is the
greatest Divisional Round weekend I've ever seen in my life.
And that might have been. You could say the greatest
game we've ever seen with Kansas City and Buffalo. The
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way that finished, I mean, three lead changes at a
time in the final two minutes. Patrick Mahomes passed for
over two dred yards after the final two minute mark,
I was I was sitting there looking at the screen
thinking all right, I mean, you know, some of us
had some wages out there. Maybe I'll get kids a city,
and I'm thinking thirteen seconds, there's no way, there's no chance,
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and especially the way Butcher kicked in that game. He
missed a p a t he missed a field goal,
Like I mean, it was a lot of pressure in
that moment, not only on on Mahomes and doing what
they were able to do, and Kelsea put them in position,
but even Butker just to deliver. So I gotta be
honest with you, I think this will stand the test
of time. I don't think we'll ever see another divisional
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round matchup like what we saw between all those teams
in the next three decades. Like this, it will take
a long time to equate to what we were able
to experience this past weekend. After last weekend, I mean,
you you saw that it didn't look like there was
a whole lot of parody, and then you get into
this weekend and the tables totally turned in. These were
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I'll say it, from the losers side of it, these
were the most impressive losers that I can say. I've
seen you. You lose games and it's like it's it's
such a disappointment when you have a season that takes
so long to develop. They added a game this year
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and and now you're here and the stakes go up
so high and you know, like that, upon losing a game,
it's like, man, you gotta go through this process all
over again. And teams came up short. But looking at
the way that they played, it's hard to look at
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these teams and say, even in a loss, they lost,
I mean, but they did. They did lose, and and
and and now it's it becomes you know, a lot
of questions have to be answered for for these teams
that that went out but so competitive and and and
it's one of those things like even with Brady and
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you know him him going down the way that he
went down, it's you're you're asking yourself, you know, right, yes,
I thought he was gonna pull it when when they
came storming back because it was not competitive at first, right,
and exactly the Rams, the Rams gave them a lot
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of opportunities. Um with opportunities. That's that's fair, that's fair
to um. But but you know, he still brought him back.
It's like his old ass still them back. And Ramsey
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too and went right at him, right over top of them.
And and so to me, I know, there's gonna be
a lot of questions as to how they that that
team comes back because they were able to keep everybody
together this year, and seemingly it looked like they might
be able to cash in on it. I mean, they
were close. Um, but man, you know it's it's I
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think that there's going to be this that. I mean,
these are the games where names are made, like you
think about like legend, Like even with the Buffalo Bills
not winning a Super Bowl, we know everybody on their teams,
you know. And I think that this was that type
of a weekend where you're starting to see almost like
an emergence of what the NFL is going to look
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like moving forward, at least hopefully that's what it looks like. Um,
what did you guys make of the decision by Buffalo
not to squib it with that lost in the game. Yeah,
I'll be I'll be honest with you. That lost in
the game, And I mean, I just I feel like
that's a decision that you know, you might risk saying
we don't want to like what ms of an up
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guy catches it and and all of a sudden, now
only takes one play and they've got those time outs
to put them in a position to kick a field goal.
Like I understand the concern there um or or even
you know, depending on how hard you'd go about trying
to squib it. What if the ball is out of
bounds and now you don't accomplish either you give him
better field position, you know, and and the ball ends
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up rolling out of bounds and you end up taking
the penalty. Now, you know, I think you could ask
your kicker to say, squib it into portion of the
field of the field where it's not gonna go out
of bounds and it's gonna force them to return it.
But that to me was the one decision where if
you looked at that game and the play calling of
Brian Dable, for example, down the stretch or Leslie Frasier,
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I think the job he did, by and large, like
I think, if you're comparing the two defenses, it seemed
like Kansas City had to work to be able to
get some of those scores. There was some deception they
had to bring out, like their whole bag of tricks
in order to make plays. And there are two is
just running wide open when you were on the Kids
City defense, like Gabriel Davis, at least two of those touchdowns,
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I'm going someone had to trip. But even then Why
is there not a safety invite? Why is there not
even anyone remotely in the picture right now? These guys
are way too wide open. Uh, when you're talking about
going up against the guy like Josh Allen, like, he's
not gonna find him. So I think by and large
you would have said the Buffalo Bills out coached the
Chiefs up until that moment. And in that moment you
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look at the decision not to squib it, and they
just kicked. I mean, you don't even give them a
chance to maybe return it where you know, yeah, they
can make a fair catch, but you could have done
it like a mortar kick where you kick it up
high with air and and maybe they still decide to
fair catch it. But again, depending on where the ball lands,
it could have given you maybe you know, additional length
that they had to go to to get down the
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field and get a field goal. So it was just
it was a it was a dumb decision, but at
the end of the day, I can understand some of
the risks that are involved with it. It was a
twenty five points they scored what the final one minute,
fifty four seconds I think was the total in that game.
So like did you met, like for the people out
there that actually like we talked about just the betting
aspect of all this stuff, because it's important and it's now,
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you know, a part of the game. But what if
you like make a living betting on football and on
either side of that you had Chiefs or Bills on
the money line either side of that, that that is
a terrifying theting that entire game. I mean, yeah, that
was just that that was off. No, I did not know.
I took I'd like Kansas City. I took Kansas City
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minus the point and a half, and I was very,
very thankful they did not squid it. Because the idea
behind the squid would be what there would be what
nine seconds left based on where they were, so you'd
have so you'd have two plays. That's the idea behind
it is you you could take off probably four if
not five seconds, depending on you know, what ends up
happening that thing, you know, that thing starts bouncing around
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that oblong shape ball and it's like a bar what
soap out there? You know, guys become more careful picking
it up, carefu like, should I get something else pick
this up? I don't know if I should get it focus.
That's waiting to see who's going to take that turn
in the conversation. Very much. Job well done for the
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face of big new kickoff. Folks, there is everybody class
acts trying to make sure people realize the temperature, the conditions.
You know, slick, that was an easy delivery. I enjoyed it,
by the way, definitely. I was watching that game last
night thinking to myself, Man, I wish Buffalo is in
the NFC, Like, can you imagine getting that in the
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Super Bowl. I just like, I don't know. If you're
Buffalo and you're seeing what has happened the last two
times that you've played them in the postseason? Is this
is it? To your point? Is this similar to New England,
Kansas City and Kansas anything? And we just can't get
round too. I mean, it's just listen here, Cincinnati is
for real, hold on there, Hey, hey, Cincinnati, Cincinnati, and
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you guys something pull assassins down. But I want to
pull you guys about this. If Buffalo wins the coin
toss gets the ball, is the is the Buffalo bill
is going to the SC Championship? I think so yeah,
that's I mean, that's how I felt too, and I
was thinking, here we go, we're gonna get that discussion
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about the overtime rules and should they be changed and
how do you go about changing them. It's just I
don't I mean, and and there's two. There's two rebuttals
to those who are thinking that right now. One, just
squip kick it like you should have and maybe with
thirteen seconds you can get a stop and you don't
allow him to kick a field goal like that, like
ending regulation when you had to lead. And the other is, again,
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you've got a team that just drove down the field
against you for a touchdown, not a field goaling a touchdown,
and that, yeah, the defense seemed gassed. And maybe you're saying, well,
especially the way the last two minutes went, Buffalo's offense
would have liked the rebuttal would have liked another chance.
That's not how the rules are, and so you gotta
figure out a way of getting your stops when you're
out there. I just I don't have as much of
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a problem with it. I do think though, that it does.
It did remind me of thinking, okay, if this is
going back to the Kansas City, New England game that
ANFC Championship. New England won the toss, they go down
and drive down to win, and you know, score and win.
If it was Kansas City, I thought they would have went.
I feel the same exact way right now. If Buffalo
wins that toss, they get the ball, they drop down
the field win. We're talking about the Buffalo Bills versus
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Cincinnati Bengals, and obviously that's not the case. If Devin
Hester and to re Kill were to race, who you
think will win? That's what that crossed my mind. That
crossed my mind. I don't know y'all saying that so easily.
I don't that that was crossing. When he ran bad,
ran by the dude and put the duces up and
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wasn't in front of him yet, he wasn't even in
front of the guy yet. I might put Mikole Hardman
and Tyreek Hill next to each other after his touchdown.
Here what Darryl Green Tyreek Hill? I mean in their primes.
It's hard for me to go against anybody but d
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green Man in their prime, in those forty yard dashes,
like he would like try to like like hit the
gods and running like he run real close to him
and like old school hit him while they're running, seeing him,
seeing him raise Champ in his forties and and basically
almost beat him. I mean, he's just you know what
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it is. It's his lower body is so strong and
he doesn't have any upper body. I mean his upper
body is puny, but his lower body is super. Like
you you see him, You're like, man, he's built to
run like that's He's just one of those guys. He
just built around. It was. It was pretty funny that
Tyreek Hill. I was. I was watching the play, going god,
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he might score, and Okay, I guess he's gonna score.
All right, there we go. H and to bring them back, man,
I would love to see some of these guys race. Honestly, goodness,
these guys fast, different, just just awesome. It was two
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coming up in we'll call it about ten minutes from now. Um,
just kind of interesting timing on something that happened in
the NFL yesterday. I don't know if somebody was paying
attention and they wanted to make things right, But interesting
timing on a moment in the NFL on Sunday. We'll
get into that for you right here on Fox Sports Radio.
So the l A Rams get it done, man, and
it was smooth man, just easy, breezy. Just go right
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into Tampa Bay, hold onto a lead and everything is good.
Uh oops. Uh four turnovers for the l A Rams,
who seemed like they were trying everything they possibly could
to give that game away. I don't know. It's just unbelievable. Man.
The fumbles, uh, you know, the the snap over the head. Um.
They were the better team by and large the entire day,
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and still we're sitting there tied. And I don't know
what the coverage responsibility was. I leave that to you
guys on the XS and no stuff, because I don't
know what the hell I'm talking about. But that seems
to be like not an ideal moment for a secondary
when Cooper Cup gets that wide open in that spot
rough rough patch there for those guys. Yeah, and another
instance where you're kind of one like what the hell
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happened there? Um? But his Cooper Cup, he's been the
best wide receiver in the NFL this season. Um, that's
backed up by stats. That's that's not even an opinion.
I think what you saw was exactly what Rams fans
have have seen at times this year, and they were
able to put it together for about three quarters, but
almost this is another game to three, and you're going,
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there's no way you can come back from this, right,
I mean? And Chris Collinsworth said this earlier the game.
He was kind of teasing and hinting at that, like,
don't don't turn the channel, don't walk away. We've seen
this story before, and sure enough, Tom Brady is able
to help bring them back. And it's I think the
tougher question but in this game, because obviously the Rams
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are moving on. We're gonna have all week to talk
about the Rams and their matchup in the NFC Championship Game.
But my question more surrounds the Bucks and whether or
not this is indeed Tom Brady's last season. I've heard
two things from very i'll just call reliable sources. The
first was that there was a lot of people who
came in town for this game who normally don't come
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in town, and they you could get a sense from
some of the people around the Tampa Bay organization that
this indeed might be it. And I don't know that
Tom is the type of guy that wants the goodbye tour,
you know, that wants to go to everywhere next year
and and kind of have all the players come up
to him and say goodbye. I don't know that he
cares and wants then, But I did hear there was
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a bunch of people in that suite who aren't normally there,
and there was a reason behind that that was one
side of things. But I also heard he's conflicted because
he has made the commitment to the team that he
is going to play again next year, and that matters
to him. He's a man of this word. He doesn't
want to have something on the books contractually and then say, hey,
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I'm not gonna be here for you guys. You know
his head coach is gonna be there. Bruce arians already
come out and said he's gonna be there next year.
So I think there's that element of it too, where
maybe they try to give it one last go. But
as we touched on in the first segment, it's something
that you've got to wonder. It was easy to sell
everyone when they said, you know, run it back, right,
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that was their their motto after the Super Bowl. It's
easy to sell guys on that saying run it back
after you win, let's go win two in a row.
You didn't now you didn't even get to the NFC
Championship game. That might be a little bit harder where
guys feel like, man, I don't know, like I don't
I don't know if we've got you know that the formula,
the right pieces. I'd rather go try to get my
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last biggest pay day instead of taking less in order
to have a chance to win another one. And maybe
I'm wrong in that. Maybe they say I want to
stay with Tom Brady for another year. That's a rare
opportunity to be able to do that, maybe once in
a lifetime opportunity to do that as a player. But
I do wonder how that factors in losing and not
making it to the NFC Championship Game versus that pitch
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after you win a Super Bowl. It may be it
may be dictated by what the Rams do. If the
ram Ms end up winning it, then you can look
at it and say, you know what, we lost to
the eventual champ and there's no shame in that. Let's
let's get back to work and let's see what we
can get done. I agree with you on the aspect
of you have to ask yourself the question, if you've
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positioned yourself to give yourself a contractual opportunity that that
sets you up much better than what you already are.
Do you pass that up? Do you pass that up
for what what has been sold? With the run it
back UH scenario? Some of these guys I think they will.
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I mean that you know, but some of them you
just don't know. The culture of it says that more
often than not, guys might end up on the team
that isn't even that good just to get that that
payday and get that paycheck. And there are a few
guys that are are good enough to go get those
type of paychecks elsewhere. So I think that's gonna be
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a challenge for them. I think they were able to
do it last year year under obvious well, I won't
even say last year was obvious. To be honest, I
think that that tom Is is a great sale to
get guys to stay around, but that that's improbable. I
think that was the first time that's ever happened in
modern day National Football League history. So to say that
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that that would happen again this year, and to honestly
ask yourself, what additions do you have to make and
can you make those additions? Um with the current roster
in place, in the current the current structure of what
what the the salary cap represents for them. I mean,
I'll be honest with you, if he walks away now,
I'm gonna be piste off. Had he done it a
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couple of years ago, I swear to god, had he
done it a couple of years ago, after New England,
I would have been like, you know what, I get it.
It seems like getting a little bit older, starting to
show his age. Why would you walk away? Now? I
get he's forty four. I understand, you know, he's accomplished
everything he wants to accomplish. But at the level he's
playing it can just keep playing. You know, you've done
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everything you can do. If you can still do it,
why would you walk away? And if he's still doing
at a high level, why walk away? Now? Like how
many quarterbacks in the NFL? And and in fact, you know,
forget about age, but how many quarterbacks in the NFL
are you taking to win a game right now? Over
Tom Brady? Is it? Is it more than two? Or three?
If that so, why would you walk away? Two of them?
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Two of them were playing last year? It's a good point.
After after that, I'm not sure there's anyone like even
you throw Aaron Rodgers into the conversation, but I think
even some people would push back considering, you know, his postseason,
you know, record and career and how it's gone where
it just seems like for you know, a guy like
Pastrick Mahomes or guys like Tom Brady, they find a
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way to bring their team back. They find a way
to get the job done almost every time, this this
being that exception. I just I look at it and
I go, man, he I know he wants to play
till forty five. That was his target age. He turns
forty five in August. I I want nothing more than
to see him go out there at his target age,
continue to have an amazing season, and then if he
walks after that, it's all good. But I just I
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don't know what it was the conversation because at some point,
you know, what if they hit their sailing and that
could be true like that, that's that's that's a question
that I think a lot of players are probably asking themselves.
You know, and Tom knows better than anyone else how
hard it is to win a Super Bowl. And I
mean what they say, this is the first time, well
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this is the second time the last decade he hasn't
made it to the championship games. That right, something like that. Yeah,
it's just a thing about like I mean, honestly, like
I was on one team a minute to the playoffs,
one team, one team over the spin of seven years.
I mean thing about for a second, though you saw
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my text message yesterday, I have no right to talk
about any winners because not just think about how ridiculous
it is. It's it's not even a matter of if
he gets to the playoffs. It's a matter of, oh,
so are you going to super Bowl or not? Because
over the past decade he pretty much goes to a
super Bowl every year. It's just whether or not he
wins one. It's it's absolutely absurd. Like when I was
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taking a staff they can my god, like, how lucky
are all the players that have played with him? Where
you just you're looking around the locker room and you
just go, Okay, let's get to work. We're working for
a super Bowl. You can when when every team says
that as a goal at the beginning of the season,
you you're kind of sitting there thinking, yeah, but do
we have a really chance of winning a Super Bowl?
And then like Tom Brady Watson and go, oh yeah, no,
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we're good. We're good, Like we're at least gonna be
the conference championship game. Yeah. It's those those those gassers
and those that bench press that hits a little different
when like Tom Brady is your quarterback, and you're like,
what am I doing this? Oh? Yeah, it's it's because
I'm gonna I'm gonna go to super Bowl at some
point here. I mean, he's had three Hall of Fame careers.
His twenties, thirties, and forties all are enough to go
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to the Hall of Fame. If you just took those individually,
all enough, you're still not answering my question because at
some point into play, I know, um. And also, if
he walks away now, isn't that sort of an indictment
on where the team is at or where they're headed?
Because do you think he walks away if he feels
like this team's got, you know, a real opportunity, or
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to LaVar's point, this team had they hit their ceiling.
Does he walk away if he doesn't believe that? I
don't think that's why you gotta bring Gizelle into the conversation, though,
because if you know, they may enjoy it. You know,
I know, I know there's the whole idea of being
away from your family and different things like that. But
I'll tell you what the treatment and the amenities that
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come with being a franchise player are pretty freaking phenomenal.
I mean it is. I don't think. I don't know
that there's ever been a time in in in our lives,
like my married life, where the treatment in the city
and the stadium game days, you know everything. You know,
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the amount of of help and and and love that
you received from from your community, from the team, from
the fan base, I don't know that it can ever
be matched. And I you know, she's a celebrity herself now.
If they're tired of just being because that's the next
level fame, if they're just tired of being in that
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limelight and they're tired of dealing with everything that goes
along with because it is also a process. You know
that that entire going into game day for family is
an entire process, especially because of you know, how school
works and different things like that. So, you know, I
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think that it's a valid question that has to be asked.
You know, at what point does does Tom look at
her and what point does Gizelle look at him and
they say, you know, it's about time for us to
to handle what we need to do. You know, with
the next generation of Bradies that are coming through. I'll
tell you what I don't want to see because he's
played so long and to your point, Jonas, he's had
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three Hall of Fame careers. I don't want him to
keep playing to your like earlier point of but you
could still do it. I don't want him to keep
playing until like the wheels fall off, you know what
I'm saying, where you're like a younger generation that looks
at him and they're like, man, Tom Brady stunk, and
you're like, you you shut your mouth, kick, you shut
your mouth. You never see We'll never see a quarterback
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like that. Well kind of kind of painting towards it.
We're like, what do you mean a period? Throw the football?
You're like, you shut your mouth, kid. I will whoop
you right now in public if you say those words again. Like,
I don't want it to get to that point. And
I do think. I think there's the potential where the
way he takes care of himself, everything else, but I
would just I would weigh you know, the older he gets.
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There's a lot of things that factor into it, but
I'd rather see if you want to call it a
career now, then if he comes back next season, it
gets hurt or has an injury, or you know, can't
be healthy for the entire season. You look at the
way like Peyton was in his final season, Drew Brees was.
You start to factor in some of those players and guys,
you go, man, there's no doubt, their first ballot Hall
(27:16):
of Famers, there's no doubt. But then you get to
this point where you go, but it didn't end the
way you'd hoped, right, You didn't end on that high
note like that John Elways send off where everyone just
remembers him doing the helicopter on the field, not off
the field show. Wait wait, wait to ruin the morning.
(27:36):
You know, I was trying to wait to ruin my morning,
trying to reenact it in another place. That's a yeah,
that's a very very good point. There is two pros
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you guys think it's a little bit coincidental that Tom
Brady less than a week ago was talking about you know,
roughing the past or penalties. Um, he doesn't get called
for as many of those as you would think. And
then uh, as far as him taking hits, and but
(28:19):
he didn't acknowledge that. You know, he does get in
the officials face a lot, and he doesn't get called
for any of those personal foul penalties. Uh. And then
all of a sudden, just on Sunday, he gets the
first one of his career. I think that's a coincidental
at all, or no, it was. It was unsportsmanlike conduct.
And he wasn't even saying he necessarily gets in the
officials face. He said he gets away with it a lot,
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which I'll try to sell people he's one of the
low keyest, best trash talkers in the league, and he
talks a lot of trash. Is A lot of people
saw him last year's Super Bowl. You could ask players
throughout the last two decades and they will tell you
he will make sure to to get some daggers in
you with the way these things he says. Um, I
I just I thought it was a momentum changer in
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that game. A couple of times the Sioux On sportsmanlike conduct.
You could have made the case that that was definitely taunting.
It was definitely on sportsmanlike although where was the warning?
And those two between Matt Stafford and Sue there's some
history there, right, they played together in Detroit. There's more
to that story. And I think the officials, especially in
(29:24):
a game of that magnitude, there should have been some
sort of warning issued instead of immediately jumping to thrown
out the laundry. And I don't care what Tom said,
you know, to Sean Hockley. In that case, he should
have been protecting Tom. Tom had a legitimate gripe. If
you go back and watch the hit von Miller had
on him, it was definitely roughing the pastor by definition
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he was in the pocket. He was struck above the
shoulders to the necker head area with von Miller's helmet.
There's a reason why his mouth was bleeding because of
how he struck him, and and you can't say that
was necessarily incidental. That's the protection he gets. So Hockley
in that case wasn't doing his job, and it's unfortunate
that it ended up hurting the books when in reality
(30:07):
it should have been. It should have been a you know,
personal foul. It should have been a first and fifteen
and they were moving forward. Was it the movie Bulderham
where the magic word to get ejected or tossed out
of a game? It's the old CS And I'm not
gonna say it because we want to keep our jobs.
But I wonder what the magic I want to hyeah? Yeah, yeah,
see you know see, yes, I'll text it to you.
(30:29):
I've heard some some other words, but I was gonna say, well,
what's the Yeah, two people fight? Uh, that would be
the word you throw? Yes, But I wonder what the
magic word is In the NFL, they get you one
of those when you get in an officials face like that.
If you're Sean Hockiley, what what was said? It was
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something about, you know, you're not as big as your dad. Uh,
you're not like it was like, I just wonder what
Brady would have said that would have warranted that sort
of penal if he did say that, what do you
think he was referring to? You know, well, that would think, well,
you know I would do it. That would do My
(31:12):
uncle got kicked out of a hotel one time. Um
after they were being told that they couldn't have drinks
in a certain area of the hotel after our festival,
and he may or may not have have challenged, you know,
the size of that particular gentleman, and like five minutes
later they're like, you guys gotta get out. That's well
(31:34):
liquored up. Quinn is you know that's a mighty task
for anybody involved. That is always going to be something
that hurts when they throw it out. Whether it's true
or not, it's still kind of like because it's like, Okay,
well I can't prove myself if it's true. Right, it's
not true, So you gotta take it and look at
everybody around you, like, man, did he just did he
(31:55):
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mental health issue. Huh, well, yeah, you gonna come out LaVar. Hey, Laura,
you gotta be sive to those issues. The way he
goes about from being complimentary than taking it away, and
it borderlines on childish, but it also makes you feel
like there's two people at work. I mean, dude, it's
definitely a risk development. I'm not gonna try to diagnose him,
(35:08):
but there's times when you I mean, he kind of
walked back the comments about Tom Brady and granted maybe
that was just after their their win without him, and
then after the loss, now he feels like he's got
grounds to say something. But it's odd, man, the way
he goes about handling it, it's extremely odd and child
does he does he think anybody? Does he think anybody
(35:30):
in the NFL is gonna want to deal with him
moving forward? Like like, I mean, what could you what
could you possibly think that he doesn't think that is
in favor of what his agenda is. I mean, that's
just that's how for me. That's why I'm I'm not
looking at it like, oh, he's crying out for help. No,
he's not crying he's crying out for attentions two different
things in the context of it. Yeah, you hit it right.
(35:53):
Like I said, it's Brady. It's a brad. He's a Brad.
Thing is is, it's not very It lacks any sort
of savvy move or thought process on his part because
you've got a draft class coming and this has been
the case now for the past couple of years, where
teams are apter just to take wide receivers, you know,
because they're so talented, there's so many of them. It's
(36:15):
like this is another really deep class of wide receivers
who come cheaper than what his services would be. I
just headache. Yeah, this is not the time to go
creating more of a fuss, like be be quiet, be silent,
and then you know, see if there's an opportunity if
you want to keep playing football otherwise. Yeah, dude, like
he made fun of someone reaching out asking about the
(36:36):
USFL like that. That's that's where you're gonna end up
as far as football goes. If you continue to keep
going this way. What else we got leave you guys
in case you missed it. If you remember, back on
November twelve, Odell Beckham Jr. With his Rams deal. His
base salary was about seven fifty dollars. He took that
in the former Yes, that's right. The problem with that
is back then bitcoin was worth about sixty four dollars
(37:00):
a share. Now it's worked about thirty five thousand, So
that deal is now about four or twelve thousand. Now,
if you take the federal California state tax about fifty
plus percent, he's netted A was gonna say, at least
cost of living is chief in California. So he's got
my bitcoin accounts. Okay, yep, yep, that's down about thirty
(37:20):
three in the last month. So there you go. Yeah,
that uh that it's unfortunate, but it's one of the
reasons why and lavarn I talked about this, like, dude,
just get in cash. If you want to go buy bitcoin,
go do it. But it's too vaulatile. You run the
risk of all of this if you're just gonna leave
your money. And you might say he's investing into it
for the long run, but it doesn't matter. It's it's
(37:42):
it's such a it's so stupid when you hear players
do this because you just take in cash and then
go buy it if you want it. Doesn't make any sense.
Teams are laughing at you. It's a larger conversation, and
and there takes so much understanding of how bitcoin works
and crypto works. Is he could really be winning had
he been educated on how to go about doing it.
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in case you miss it. Appears the Rams are already
afraid that the Niners are going to take over, so
Fi saidium restricting ticket sales to geography for a residents.
It's just like, where does it end? So like, what
are you saying? Like Russia and China they can't get tickets?
Is that what we're saying? What geographical? What are we
(38:27):
talking about here? I mean, is this all because Matt
Stafford's wife went on a podcast and complained because they
got outnumbered at home? Okay, well let me tell you
something that didn't lose you the game. Kyle Shanahan has
lost you the game six straight times? All right, that's
the boogeyman, all right, So you can blame it on
on on tickets fire. Yeah, it's just our predictions looking
pretty good right now. Jonas, Yeah, Lamar and I had
(38:48):
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like to do this first and foremost um round of
(01:23):
applause to the NFL man round of In fact, I'm
gonna stand up. I'm standing up round of applause. That
is how you put on a weekend of football. Good Christ,
what a weekend of football displayed by the NFL. Um
one of the best that I can recall. I don't
actually have my divisional weekends all times stacked or ranked
(01:45):
off hand, but that's maybe one of the best weekends
of football I can recall ever seeing top to bottom.
I give you a stat that I believe holds up
to it. It's it wouldn't be FETs to call the
greatest divisional round weekend. Ever. I believe going into last
night's game, the lowest amount of point differential was like
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eighteen points we were at nine. Given how every game
ended on the final play in a field goal, it
seemed like in most cases, and so given the differential
in that game, it puts underneath that number. So you
could have said, and it was, this wouldn't be hyperbole,
this was the greatest Divisional round NFL history ever. And
(02:29):
last night's game, you know, it reminded you of Kansas City,
New England, but it had that sort of feel to it,
but obviously new faces with the Buffalo Bills and Josh
Allen being a part of it. But I would not
be upset at anyone if they said that is the
greatest Divisional Round weekend I've ever seen in my life.
And that might have been. You could say the greatest
game we've ever seen with Kansas City and Buffalo. The
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way that finished, I mean, three lead changes at a
time in the final two minutes. Patrick Mahomes passed for
over two dred yards after the final two minute mark,
I was I was sitting there looking at the screen
thinking all right, I mean, you know, some of us
had some wages out there. Maybe I'll get kids a city,
and I'm thinking thirteen seconds, there's no way, there's no chance,
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and especially the way Butcher kicked in that game. He
missed a p a t he missed a field goal,
Like I mean, it was a lot of pressure in
that moment, not only on on Mahomes and doing what
they were able to do, and Kelsea put them in position,
but even Butker just to deliver. So I gotta be
honest with you, I think this will stand the test
of time. I don't think we'll ever see another divisional
(03:37):
round matchup like what we saw between all those teams
in the next three decades. Like this, it will take
a long time to equate to what we were able
to experience this past weekend. After last weekend, I mean,
you you saw that it didn't look like there was
a whole lot of parody, and then you get into
this weekend and the tables totally turned in. These were
(04:01):
I'll say it, from the losers side of it, these
were the most impressive losers that I can say. I've
seen you. You lose games and it's like it's it's
such a disappointment when you have a season that takes
so long to develop. They added a game this year
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and and now you're here and the stakes go up
so high and you know, like that, upon losing a game,
it's like, man, you gotta go through this process all
over again. And teams came up short. But looking at
the way that they played, it's hard to look at
(04:43):
these teams and say, even in a loss, they lost,
I mean, but they did. They did lose, and and
and and now it's it becomes you know, a lot
of questions have to be answered for for these teams
that that went out but so competitive and and and
it's one of those things like even with Brady and
(05:06):
you know him him going down the way that he
went down, it's you're you're asking yourself, you know, right, yes,
I thought he was gonna pull it when when they
came storming back because it was not competitive at first, right,
and exactly the Rams, the Rams gave them a lot
(05:26):
of opportunities. Um with opportunities. That's that's fair, that's fair
to um. But but you know, he still brought him back.
It's like his old ass still them back. And Ramsey
(05:47):
too and went right at him, right over top of them.
And and so to me, I know, there's gonna be
a lot of questions as to how they that that
team comes back because they were able to keep everybody
together this year, and seemingly it looked like they might
be able to cash in on it. I mean, they
were close. Um, but man, you know it's it's I
(06:11):
think that there's going to be this that. I mean,
these are the games where names are made, like you
think about like legend, Like even with the Buffalo Bills
not winning a Super Bowl, we know everybody on their teams,
you know. And I think that this was that type
of a weekend where you're starting to see almost like
an emergence of what the NFL is going to look
(06:33):
like moving forward, at least hopefully that's what it looks like. Um,
what did you guys make of the decision by Buffalo
not to squib it with that lost in the game. Yeah,
I'll be I'll be honest with you. That lost in
the game, And I mean, I just I feel like
that's a decision that you know, you might risk saying
we don't want to like what ms of an up
(06:54):
guy catches it and and all of a sudden, now
only takes one play and they've got those time outs
to put them in a position to kick a field goal.
Like I understand the concern there um or or even
you know, depending on how hard you'd go about trying
to squib it. What if the ball is out of
bounds and now you don't accomplish either you give him
better field position, you know, and and the ball ends
(07:16):
up rolling out of bounds and you end up taking
the penalty. Now, you know, I think you could ask
your kicker to say, squib it into portion of the
field of the field where it's not gonna go out
of bounds and it's gonna force them to return it.
But that to me was the one decision where if
you looked at that game and the play calling of
Brian Dable, for example, down the stretch or Leslie Frasier,
(07:38):
I think the job he did, by and large, like
I think, if you're comparing the two defenses, it seemed
like Kansas City had to work to be able to
get some of those scores. There was some deception they
had to bring out, like their whole bag of tricks
in order to make plays. And there are two is
just running wide open when you were on the Kids
City defense, like Gabriel Davis, at least two of those touchdowns,
(07:59):
I'm going someone had to trip. But even then Why
is there not a safety invite? Why is there not
even anyone remotely in the picture right now? These guys
are way too wide open. Uh, when you're talking about
going up against the guy like Josh Allen, like, he's
not gonna find him. So I think by and large
you would have said the Buffalo Bills out coached the
Chiefs up until that moment. And in that moment you
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look at the decision not to squib it, and they
just kicked. I mean, you don't even give them a
chance to maybe return it where you know, yeah, they
can make a fair catch, but you could have done
it like a mortar kick where you kick it up
high with air and and maybe they still decide to
fair catch it. But again, depending on where the ball lands,
it could have given you maybe you know, additional length
that they had to go to to get down the
(08:44):
field and get a field goal. So it was just
it was a it was a dumb decision, but at
the end of the day, I can understand some of
the risks that are involved with it. It was a
twenty five points they scored what the final one minute,
fifty four seconds I think was the total in that game.
So like did you met, like for the people out
there that actually like we talked about just the betting
aspect of all this stuff, because it's important and it's now,
(09:06):
you know, a part of the game. But what if
you like make a living betting on football and on
either side of that you had Chiefs or Bills on
the money line either side of that, that that is
a terrifying theting that entire game. I mean, yeah, that
was just that that was off. No, I did not know.
I took I'd like Kansas City. I took Kansas City
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minus the point and a half, and I was very,
very thankful they did not squid it. Because the idea
behind the squid would be what there would be what
nine seconds left based on where they were, so you'd
have so you'd have two plays. That's the idea behind
it is you you could take off probably four if
not five seconds, depending on you know, what ends up
happening that thing, you know, that thing starts bouncing around
(09:48):
that oblong shape ball and it's like a bar what
soap out there? You know, guys become more careful picking
it up, carefu like, should I get something else pick
this up? I don't know if I should get it focus.
That's waiting to see who's going to take that turn
in the conversation. Very much. Job well done for the
(10:10):
face of big new kickoff. Folks, there is everybody class
acts trying to make sure people realize the temperature, the conditions.
You know, slick, that was an easy delivery. I enjoyed it,
by the way, definitely. I was watching that game last
night thinking to myself, Man, I wish Buffalo is in
the NFC, Like, can you imagine getting that in the
(10:30):
Super Bowl. I just like, I don't know. If you're
Buffalo and you're seeing what has happened the last two
times that you've played them in the postseason? Is this
is it? To your point? Is this similar to New England,
Kansas City and Kansas anything? And we just can't get
round too. I mean, it's just listen here, Cincinnati is
for real, hold on there, Hey, hey, Cincinnati, Cincinnati, and
(11:02):
you guys something pull assassins down. But I want to
pull you guys about this. If Buffalo wins the coin
toss gets the ball, is the is the Buffalo bill
is going to the SC Championship? I think so yeah,
that's I mean, that's how I felt too, and I
was thinking, here we go, we're gonna get that discussion
(11:23):
about the overtime rules and should they be changed and
how do you go about changing them. It's just I
don't I mean, and and there's two. There's two rebuttals
to those who are thinking that right now. One, just
squip kick it like you should have and maybe with
thirteen seconds you can get a stop and you don't
allow him to kick a field goal like that, like
ending regulation when you had to lead. And the other is, again,
(11:44):
you've got a team that just drove down the field
against you for a touchdown, not a field goaling a touchdown,
and that, yeah, the defense seemed gassed. And maybe you're saying, well,
especially the way the last two minutes went, Buffalo's offense
would have liked the rebuttal would have liked another chance.
That's not how the rules are, and so you gotta
figure out a way of getting your stops when you're
out there. I just I don't have as much of
(12:05):
a problem with it. I do think though, that it does.
It did remind me of thinking, okay, if this is
going back to the Kansas City, New England game that
ANFC Championship. New England won the toss, they go down
and drive down to win, and you know, score and win.
If it was Kansas City, I thought they would have went.
I feel the same exact way right now. If Buffalo
wins that toss, they get the ball, they drop down
the field win. We're talking about the Buffalo Bills versus
(12:28):
Cincinnati Bengals, and obviously that's not the case. If Devin
Hester and to re Kill were to race, who you
think will win? That's what that crossed my mind. That
crossed my mind. I don't know y'all saying that so easily.
I don't that that was crossing. When he ran bad,
ran by the dude and put the duces up and
(12:49):
wasn't in front of him yet, he wasn't even in
front of the guy yet. I might put Mikole Hardman
and Tyreek Hill next to each other after his touchdown.
Here what Darryl Green Tyreek Hill? I mean in their primes.
It's hard for me to go against anybody but d
(13:11):
green Man in their prime, in those forty yard dashes,
like he would like try to like like hit the
gods and running like he run real close to him
and like old school hit him while they're running, seeing him,
seeing him raise Champ in his forties and and basically
almost beat him. I mean, he's just you know what
(13:33):
it is. It's his lower body is so strong and
he doesn't have any upper body. I mean his upper
body is puny, but his lower body is super. Like
you you see him, You're like, man, he's built to
run like that's He's just one of those guys. He
just built around. It was. It was pretty funny that
Tyreek Hill. I was. I was watching the play, going god,
(13:54):
he might score, and Okay, I guess he's gonna score.
All right, there we go. H and to bring them back, man,
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coming up in we'll call it about ten minutes from now. Um,
just kind of interesting timing on something that happened in
the NFL yesterday. I don't know if somebody was paying
attention and they wanted to make things right, But interesting
timing on a moment in the NFL on Sunday. We'll
get into that for you right here on Fox Sports Radio.
So the l A Rams get it done, man, and
it was smooth man, just easy, breezy. Just go right
(15:18):
into Tampa Bay, hold onto a lead and everything is good.
Uh oops. Uh four turnovers for the l A Rams,
who seemed like they were trying everything they possibly could
to give that game away. I don't know. It's just unbelievable. Man.
The fumbles, uh, you know, the the snap over the head. Um.
They were the better team by and large the entire day,
(15:40):
and still we're sitting there tied. And I don't know
what the coverage responsibility was. I leave that to you
guys on the XS and no stuff, because I don't
know what the hell I'm talking about. But that seems
to be like not an ideal moment for a secondary
when Cooper Cup gets that wide open in that spot
rough rough patch there for those guys. Yeah, and another
instance where you're kind of one like what the hell
(16:01):
happened there? Um? But his Cooper Cup, he's been the
best wide receiver in the NFL this season. Um, that's
backed up by stats. That's that's not even an opinion.
I think what you saw was exactly what Rams fans
have have seen at times this year, and they were
able to put it together for about three quarters, but
almost this is another game to three, and you're going,
(16:24):
there's no way you can come back from this, right,
I mean? And Chris Collinsworth said this earlier the game.
He was kind of teasing and hinting at that, like,
don't don't turn the channel, don't walk away. We've seen
this story before, and sure enough, Tom Brady is able
to help bring them back. And it's I think the
tougher question but in this game, because obviously the Rams
(16:46):
are moving on. We're gonna have all week to talk
about the Rams and their matchup in the NFC Championship Game.
But my question more surrounds the Bucks and whether or
not this is indeed Tom Brady's last season. I've heard
two things from very i'll just call reliable sources. The
first was that there was a lot of people who
came in town for this game who normally don't come
(17:07):
in town, and they you could get a sense from
some of the people around the Tampa Bay organization that
this indeed might be it. And I don't know that
Tom is the type of guy that wants the goodbye tour,
you know, that wants to go to everywhere next year
and and kind of have all the players come up
to him and say goodbye. I don't know that he
cares and wants then, But I did hear there was
(17:29):
a bunch of people in that suite who aren't normally there,
and there was a reason behind that that was one
side of things. But I also heard he's conflicted because
he has made the commitment to the team that he
is going to play again next year, and that matters
to him. He's a man of this word. He doesn't
want to have something on the books contractually and then say, hey,
(17:50):
I'm not gonna be here for you guys. You know
his head coach is gonna be there. Bruce arians already
come out and said he's gonna be there next year.
So I think there's that element of it too, where
maybe they try to give it one last go. But
as we touched on in the first segment, it's something
that you've got to wonder. It was easy to sell
everyone when they said, you know, run it back, right,
(18:10):
that was their their motto after the Super Bowl. It's
easy to sell guys on that saying run it back
after you win, let's go win two in a row.
You didn't now you didn't even get to the NFC
Championship game. That might be a little bit harder where
guys feel like, man, I don't know, like I don't
I don't know if we've got you know that the formula,
the right pieces. I'd rather go try to get my
(18:32):
last biggest pay day instead of taking less in order
to have a chance to win another one. And maybe
I'm wrong in that. Maybe they say I want to
stay with Tom Brady for another year. That's a rare
opportunity to be able to do that, maybe once in
a lifetime opportunity to do that as a player. But
I do wonder how that factors in losing and not
making it to the NFC Championship Game versus that pitch
(18:54):
after you win a Super Bowl. It may be it
may be dictated by what the Rams do. If the
ram Ms end up winning it, then you can look
at it and say, you know what, we lost to
the eventual champ and there's no shame in that. Let's
let's get back to work and let's see what we
can get done. I agree with you on the aspect
of you have to ask yourself the question, if you've
(19:16):
positioned yourself to give yourself a contractual opportunity that that
sets you up much better than what you already are.
Do you pass that up? Do you pass that up
for what what has been sold? With the run it
back UH scenario? Some of these guys I think they will.
(19:37):
I mean that you know, but some of them you
just don't know. The culture of it says that more
often than not, guys might end up on the team
that isn't even that good just to get that that
payday and get that paycheck. And there are a few
guys that are are good enough to go get those
type of paychecks elsewhere. So I think that's gonna be
(19:57):
a challenge for them. I think they were able to
do it last year year under obvious well, I won't
even say last year was obvious. To be honest, I
think that that tom Is is a great sale to
get guys to stay around, but that that's improbable. I
think that was the first time that's ever happened in
modern day National Football League history. So to say that
(20:20):
that that would happen again this year, and to honestly
ask yourself, what additions do you have to make and
can you make those additions? Um with the current roster
in place, in the current the current structure of what
what the the salary cap represents for them. I mean,
I'll be honest with you, if he walks away now,
I'm gonna be piste off. Had he done it a
(20:41):
couple of years ago, I swear to god, had he
done it a couple of years ago, after New England,
I would have been like, you know what, I get it.
It seems like getting a little bit older, starting to
show his age. Why would you walk away? Now? I
get he's forty four. I understand, you know, he's accomplished
everything he wants to accomplish. But at the level he's
playing it can just keep playing. You know, you've done
(21:03):
everything you can do. If you can still do it,
why would you walk away? And if he's still doing
at a high level, why walk away? Now? Like how
many quarterbacks in the NFL? And and in fact, you know,
forget about age, but how many quarterbacks in the NFL
are you taking to win a game right now? Over
Tom Brady? Is it? Is it more than two? Or three?
If that so, why would you walk away? Two of them?
(21:27):
Two of them were playing last year? It's a good point.
After after that, I'm not sure there's anyone like even
you throw Aaron Rodgers into the conversation, but I think
even some people would push back considering, you know, his postseason,
you know, record and career and how it's gone where
it just seems like for you know, a guy like
Pastrick Mahomes or guys like Tom Brady, they find a
(21:47):
way to bring their team back. They find a way
to get the job done almost every time, this this
being that exception. I just I look at it and
I go, man, he I know he wants to play
till forty five. That was his target age. He turns
forty five in August. I I want nothing more than
to see him go out there at his target age,
continue to have an amazing season, and then if he
walks after that, it's all good. But I just I
(22:09):
don't know what it was the conversation because at some point,
you know, what if they hit their sailing and that
could be true like that, that's that's that's a question
that I think a lot of players are probably asking themselves.
You know, and Tom knows better than anyone else how
hard it is to win a Super Bowl. And I
mean what they say, this is the first time, well
(22:31):
this is the second time the last decade he hasn't
made it to the championship games. That right, something like that. Yeah,
it's just a thing about like I mean, honestly, like
I was on one team a minute to the playoffs,
one team, one team over the spin of seven years.
I mean thing about for a second, though you saw
(22:52):
my text message yesterday, I have no right to talk
about any winners because not just think about how ridiculous
it is. It's it's not even a matter of if
he gets to the playoffs. It's a matter of, oh,
so are you going to super Bowl or not? Because
over the past decade he pretty much goes to a
super Bowl every year. It's just whether or not he
wins one. It's it's absolutely absurd. Like when I was
(23:15):
taking a staff they can my god, like, how lucky
are all the players that have played with him? Where
you just you're looking around the locker room and you
just go, Okay, let's get to work. We're working for
a super Bowl. You can when when every team says
that as a goal at the beginning of the season,
you you're kind of sitting there thinking, yeah, but do
we have a really chance of winning a Super Bowl?
And then like Tom Brady Watson and go, oh yeah, no,
(23:36):
we're good. We're good, Like we're at least gonna be
the conference championship game. Yeah. It's those those those gassers
and those that bench press that hits a little different
when like Tom Brady is your quarterback, and you're like,
what am I doing this? Oh? Yeah, it's it's because
I'm gonna I'm gonna go to super Bowl at some
point here. I mean, he's had three Hall of Fame careers.
His twenties, thirties, and forties all are enough to go
(23:57):
to the Hall of Fame. If you just took those individually,
all enough, you're still not answering my question because at
some point into play, I know, um. And also, if
he walks away now, isn't that sort of an indictment
on where the team is at or where they're headed?
Because do you think he walks away if he feels
like this team's got, you know, a real opportunity, or
(24:19):
to LaVar's point, this team had they hit their ceiling.
Does he walk away if he doesn't believe that? I
don't think that's why you gotta bring Gizelle into the conversation, though,
because if you know, they may enjoy it. You know,
I know, I know there's the whole idea of being
away from your family and different things like that. But
I'll tell you what the treatment and the amenities that
(24:41):
come with being a franchise player are pretty freaking phenomenal.
I mean it is. I don't think. I don't know
that there's ever been a time in in in our lives,
like my married life, where the treatment in the city
and the stadium game days, you know everything. You know,
(25:03):
the amount of of help and and and love that
you received from from your community, from the team, from
the fan base, I don't know that it can ever
be matched. And I you know, she's a celebrity herself now.
If they're tired of just being because that's the next
level fame, if they're just tired of being in that
(25:25):
limelight and they're tired of dealing with everything that goes
along with because it is also a process. You know
that that entire going into game day for family is
an entire process, especially because of you know, how school
works and different things like that. So, you know, I
(25:46):
think that it's a valid question that has to be asked.
You know, at what point does does Tom look at
her and what point does Gizelle look at him and
they say, you know, it's about time for us to
to handle what we need to do. You know, with
the next generation of Bradies that are coming through. I'll
tell you what I don't want to see because he's
played so long and to your point, Jonas, he's had
(26:08):
three Hall of Fame careers. I don't want him to
keep playing to your like earlier point of but you
could still do it. I don't want him to keep
playing until like the wheels fall off, you know what
I'm saying, where you're like a younger generation that looks
at him and they're like, man, Tom Brady stunk, and
you're like, you you shut your mouth, kick, you shut
your mouth. You never see We'll never see a quarterback
(26:31):
like that. Well kind of kind of painting towards it.
We're like, what do you mean a period? Throw the football?
You're like, you shut your mouth, kid. I will whoop
you right now in public if you say those words again. Like,
I don't want it to get to that point. And
I do think. I think there's the potential where the
way he takes care of himself, everything else, but I
would just I would weigh you know, the older he gets.
(26:56):
There's a lot of things that factor into it, but
I'd rather see if you want to call it a
career now, then if he comes back next season, it
gets hurt or has an injury, or you know, can't
be healthy for the entire season. You look at the
way like Peyton was in his final season, Drew Brees was.
You start to factor in some of those players and guys,
you go, man, there's no doubt, their first ballot Hall
(27:16):
of Famers, there's no doubt. But then you get to
this point where you go, but it didn't end the
way you'd hoped, right, You didn't end on that high
note like that John Elways send off where everyone just
remembers him doing the helicopter on the field, not off
the field show. Wait wait, wait to ruin the morning.
(27:36):
You know, I was trying to wait to ruin my morning,
trying to reenact it in another place. That's a yeah,
that's a very very good point. There is two pros
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you guys think it's a little bit coincidental that Tom
Brady less than a week ago was talking about you know,
roughing the past or penalties. Um, he doesn't get called
for as many of those as you would think. And
then uh, as far as him taking hits, and but
(28:19):
he didn't acknowledge that. You know, he does get in
the officials face a lot, and he doesn't get called
for any of those personal foul penalties. Uh. And then
all of a sudden, just on Sunday, he gets the
first one of his career. I think that's a coincidental
at all, or no, it was. It was unsportsmanlike conduct.
And he wasn't even saying he necessarily gets in the
officials face. He said he gets away with it a lot,
(28:40):
which I'll try to sell people he's one of the
low keyest, best trash talkers in the league, and he
talks a lot of trash. Is A lot of people
saw him last year's Super Bowl. You could ask players
throughout the last two decades and they will tell you
he will make sure to to get some daggers in
you with the way these things he says. Um, I
I just I thought it was a momentum changer in
(29:02):
that game. A couple of times the Sioux On sportsmanlike conduct.
You could have made the case that that was definitely taunting.
It was definitely on sportsmanlike although where was the warning?
And those two between Matt Stafford and Sue there's some
history there, right, they played together in Detroit. There's more
to that story. And I think the officials, especially in
(29:24):
a game of that magnitude, there should have been some
sort of warning issued instead of immediately jumping to thrown
out the laundry. And I don't care what Tom said,
you know, to Sean Hockley. In that case, he should
have been protecting Tom. Tom had a legitimate gripe. If
you go back and watch the hit von Miller had
on him, it was definitely roughing the pastor by definition
(29:46):
he was in the pocket. He was struck above the
shoulders to the necker head area with von Miller's helmet.
There's a reason why his mouth was bleeding because of
how he struck him, and and you can't say that
was necessarily incidental. That's the protection he gets. So Hockley
in that case wasn't doing his job, and it's unfortunate
that it ended up hurting the books when in reality
(30:07):
it should have been. It should have been a you know,
personal foul. It should have been a first and fifteen
and they were moving forward. Was it the movie Bulderham
where the magic word to get ejected or tossed out
of a game? It's the old CS And I'm not
gonna say it because we want to keep our jobs.
But I wonder what the magic I want to hyeah? Yeah, yeah,
see you know see, yes, I'll text it to you.
(30:29):
I've heard some some other words, but I was gonna say, well,
what's the Yeah, two people fight? Uh, that would be
the word you throw? Yes, But I wonder what the
magic word is In the NFL, they get you one
of those when you get in an officials face like that.
If you're Sean Hockiley, what what was said? It was
(30:51):
something about, you know, you're not as big as your dad. Uh,
you're not like it was like, I just wonder what
Brady would have said that would have warranted that sort
of penal if he did say that, what do you
think he was referring to? You know, well, that would think, well,
you know I would do it. That would do My
(31:12):
uncle got kicked out of a hotel one time. Um
after they were being told that they couldn't have drinks
in a certain area of the hotel after our festival,
and he may or may not have have challenged, you know,
the size of that particular gentleman, and like five minutes
later they're like, you guys gotta get out. That's well
(31:34):
liquored up. Quinn is you know that's a mighty task
for anybody involved. That is always going to be something
that hurts when they throw it out. Whether it's true
or not, it's still kind of like because it's like, Okay,
well I can't prove myself if it's true. Right, it's
not true, So you gotta take it and look at
everybody around you, like, man, did he just did he
(31:55):
just do that? Show you? Right now? It's us Two
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(33:20):
I love how you thought that was I did. It
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I don't know why I say the things that I
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(33:41):
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(34:44):
mental health issue. Huh, well, yeah, you gonna come out LaVar. Hey, Laura,
you gotta be sive to those issues. The way he
goes about from being complimentary than taking it away, and
it borderlines on childish, but it also makes you feel
like there's two people at work. I mean, dude, it's
definitely a risk development. I'm not gonna try to diagnose him,
(35:08):
but there's times when you I mean, he kind of
walked back the comments about Tom Brady and granted maybe
that was just after their their win without him, and
then after the loss, now he feels like he's got
grounds to say something. But it's odd, man, the way
he goes about handling it, it's extremely odd and child
does he does he think anybody? Does he think anybody
(35:30):
in the NFL is gonna want to deal with him
moving forward? Like like, I mean, what could you what
could you possibly think that he doesn't think that is
in favor of what his agenda is. I mean, that's
just that's how for me. That's why I'm I'm not
looking at it like, oh, he's crying out for help. No,
he's not crying he's crying out for attentions two different
things in the context of it. Yeah, you hit it right.
(35:53):
Like I said, it's Brady. It's a brad. He's a Brad.
Thing is is, it's not very It lacks any sort
of savvy move or thought process on his part because
you've got a draft class coming and this has been
the case now for the past couple of years, where
teams are apter just to take wide receivers, you know,
because they're so talented, there's so many of them. It's
(36:15):
like this is another really deep class of wide receivers
who come cheaper than what his services would be. I
just headache. Yeah, this is not the time to go
creating more of a fuss, like be be quiet, be silent,
and then you know, see if there's an opportunity if
you want to keep playing football otherwise. Yeah, dude, like
he made fun of someone reaching out asking about the
(36:36):
USFL like that. That's that's where you're gonna end up
as far as football goes. If you continue to keep
going this way. What else we got leave you guys
in case you missed it. If you remember, back on
November twelve, Odell Beckham Jr. With his Rams deal. His
base salary was about seven fifty dollars. He took that
in the former Yes, that's right. The problem with that
is back then bitcoin was worth about sixty four dollars
(37:00):
a share. Now it's worked about thirty five thousand, So
that deal is now about four or twelve thousand. Now,
if you take the federal California state tax about fifty
plus percent, he's netted A was gonna say, at least
cost of living is chief in California. So he's got
my bitcoin accounts. Okay, yep, yep, that's down about thirty
(37:20):
three in the last month. So there you go. Yeah,
that uh that it's unfortunate, but it's one of the
reasons why and lavarn I talked about this, like, dude,
just get in cash. If you want to go buy bitcoin,
go do it. But it's too vaulatile. You run the
risk of all of this if you're just gonna leave
your money. And you might say he's investing into it
for the long run, but it doesn't matter. It's it's
(37:42):
it's such a it's so stupid when you hear players
do this because you just take in cash and then
go buy it if you want it. Doesn't make any sense.
Teams are laughing at you. It's a larger conversation, and
and there takes so much understanding of how bitcoin works
and crypto works. Is he could really be winning had
he been educated on how to go about doing it.
(38:04):
But again that's another another discussion for another day, you guys,
in case you miss it. Appears the Rams are already
afraid that the Niners are going to take over, so
Fi saidium restricting ticket sales to geography for a residents.
It's just like, where does it end? So like, what
are you saying? Like Russia and China they can't get tickets?
Is that what we're saying? What geographical? What are we
(38:27):
talking about here? I mean, is this all because Matt
Stafford's wife went on a podcast and complained because they
got outnumbered at home? Okay, well let me tell you
something that didn't lose you the game. Kyle Shanahan has
lost you the game six straight times? All right, that's
the boogeyman, all right, So you can blame it on
on on tickets fire. Yeah, it's just our predictions looking
pretty good right now. Jonas, Yeah, Lamar and I had
(38:48):
Niners that going to the super Bowl. Really yeah, it's
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