February 2, 2022 • 46 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington react to Brian Flores suing the NFL, claiming racism and discrimination in the hiring process, but the proof he's presenting is too weak to stand up in court. Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger must hate the show for retiring as soon as is goes off air and Petros Papadakis from FOX LA Sports' talks GI Joe's, Caleb Williams transferring to USC and Eric Weddle's impressive comeback with the Rams.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar, Area Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
sports radio. It's a groundhog Day. I know you've been
from p A LaVar. Is that a big time Dan Pennsylvania. Yeah,
that's a real thing. I mean, what do they do that?
What does uh punk sitani Phil actually pop out of
(00:24):
whatever shoe box they got him in, which is animal
cruelty just to see I'm just wondering. I mean, they
got him locked in like a bread box, and he's
got to pop out and look at his shadow, and
they're gonna forecast either the future buddy comes up out
of his hole. If he sees his shadow, it's it's
just like what it's it's less or more. I don't
even remember it because living here you don't worry about this. Yeah,
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I think if he sees it shadow, it's more bad
weather for a little while longer. Or if he doesn't
see his shadow, it's bad weather for a little while longer.
If he does see his shadow, then things are looking
on the up and then he walks back into a
hole and I'll see you guys next year. It's like
trying to have a conversation with somebody in Alaska about
tanning salons. You know, it's just that they can't really,
(01:07):
It's just see somebody in Alaska would a tan. That's
that's impressive. It is, especially if it was a natural tan.
It is absolutely I'm speaking a natural tans. Brady Quinn
with us here as well. To have either of you
even been to Alaska, No, but I've seen Deadliest Catch.
I know it's sunny, it's just cold, yeah, and it's
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like it's not always and it's dark out for like
twenty five hours a day. Certain times I want to
go to Alaska. I'm fascinated about. It's an amazing place here.
Less do you care Lavars, not at all. It's probably
not a place that I would going to, all right.
So with that being said, Happy Groundhog Day to everybody listening.
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One of the more underrated comedy films of all time.
And then we move on for away from the comedy
to uh this bombshell that was dropped in the NFL yesterday. Um,
you know we were planning, all right, let's you know,
make fun of each other for making an over under
prediction on Tom Brady and when he announced his retirement,
and of course, twenty minutes later he announces it, but
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away we go. Brian Flores, the former head coach of
the Miami Dolphins, has filed a class action lawsuit alleging
discrimination during the hiring process with not only the Giants
this year, but the Broncos a couple of years ago.
Uh And it goes a little something like this. The
claim against the Giants is that they had already planned
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on hiring Brian day Ball and that Brian Flores was
just sort of brought in, uh and as sort of
a mock interview, if you want to call it that.
And his proof is an interaction with Bill Belichick via
text message where Belichick congratulates him on the job, thinking
that he's Brian day Ball, not realizing that he's Brian Flores.
And so those made its way into the lawsuit as
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evidence of the Giants already had their guy and he
was being discriminated against. There then there was the the
other discussion when it comes to the Miami Dolphins, in
which the Miami Dolphins um he said that Steven Ross
offered to give him a hundred thousand dollars for every
game he lost. A couple of years ago because he
wanted to tank that there was reports that the front
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office was mad that they weren't losing games. Uh. The
the report also went on to saying the lawsuit went
on to say that, uh, that he was brought in
to meet with a quarterback that was under contract without
his knowing, on a yacht somewhere in my in South
Florida during the wintertime. Allegedly that quarterback was Tom Brady.
But but Brian Flores wanted no part of that, and
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so he was sort of shamed into being looked at,
his difficult to work with, etcetera, etcetera. Afterwards, he didn't
want to play ball with them. Uh. And then it
goes to the Denver Broncos portion of things were. According
to Brian Flores, he showed up to his interview with
the Denver Broncos a couple of years ago, and it
was clear that John Elways, John Elway and others in
the front office were hungover from the night before, They
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were an hour late, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And away we
go with a bombshell a class action lawsuit from Brian Flores,
who is taking out not only the Giants but also
the Broncos, the Dolphins, and the entire NFL, all of
which involved in this have already come out and denied
uh and defended themselves via social media against these allegations.
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So there's that, alright. Alright, it's a little hot potato
who wants wants to racism and potato here. I want
to hear. I want to hear all LaVar things because
I feel like, as a middle aged white guy, no
one cares what I think about this subject. I'll be
honest with you, I don't feel like anyone cares like
what I have to say about this subject. So I'll
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start here. For him to foul a lawsuit against so
many different parties. He clearly believes that he's done in
the National Football League, I mean, have to start there.
He he. He feels as though he he does not
have a fair opportunity. UM now to what degree, what capacity,
I don't know. Is it is it never a head coach,
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Is it not a coach at all? I'm not certain
what it is. But I almost feel as though that's
the first feeling is he's been backed into a corner
and it's something that he loves to do, something that
he wants to do that he can't do. And if
you're trying to figure out based off of what his
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resume is and and he doesn't have a job right now,
what is he basing what is he basing his lack
of employment or his lack of opportunities off of and
and and generally speaking, it's it's always most likely based
off of race relations. And I don't think that that's
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you know, that's nothing new. That's not a military secret
that's been let out. Oh my gosh, somebody is it
may be racist or maybe prejudice, whether that that is
what it is um that took place. Uh, you know,
I tend to fall on the side of life is
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about solutions and problems, and when you find yourself in
a problem, you have to be as honest as you
can possibly be with yourself first as to what your
solutions are going to be. You have to be solution
driven because no matter what the problem is, if it's
your problem, you still have to solve for it. So
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if it, if it does happen to be racism and prejudice,
that is playing a part. And why Flores is in
the situation that he's in right now, and he felt
strongly enough about it to foul class action lawsuit against
these parties, then he must feel like that's his reasoning
or the justification of it. And and his solution is
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to take it to court and stand up for him
elf in the court of law. I'm not going to
sit here and be the one that says that whatever
it is he's feeling and what he's going through isn't
valid versus valid. I think that he's doing what he feels,
feels his best for him. And and that's kind of
how I I look at it, because the the whole
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idea of what racism and prejudice represents. First of all,
everybody's prejudice. I mean, that's just is what it is,
whether you're prejudice against one thing or another. Everybody has prejudgments.
They they they're prejudice of something, whether it's the way
you were raised, where you were raised, how you were raised, whatever.
If you're spending so much time worrying about what people
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think about you, you're giving yourself less of an opportunity
to get to where you're ultimately trying to go. And
I've always looked at things that way. I do not
make I do not make excuses. For myself, I do
not give myself out on things that I'm trying to
accomplish in my life based off of the color of
my skin. And that's just how I approach things. Now
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everybody doesn't approach things that way, and it and it
really has become sensationalized to play the race card everything
when it doesn't go right for someone of color, it
is the race card is brought into it and is
brought into play. So for me, I don't know, I'm
not I'm not really close enough to this Floras situation
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to say one way or the other if he's legitimate
or legitimized for what he's doing, other than to say
he feels it's legit. So let's see how it plays out.
But for me, I just I would I would assume
that he doesn't believe he has a fair opportunity in
the National Football League at this because this is a
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bridge burning act that that he's doing. Yeah, I think
the thing that you do when you follow a civil
lawsuit and what he's done is what usually leaks out
or what usually comes out is the most damning evidence.
And of the examples that Jonas laid out, whether that
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was the text from Bill Belichick, and I guess you
can say, well, Bill Belichick, you know it's basically congratulating
one Brian thinking it was Brian Dable when in fact
it was Brian Flores, and it was before Flora's had
even interviewed. That's not necessarily racism. I mean, if you're
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if you're really breaking down each of these events, you know,
they might have called Bill Belichick about Brian Dable. They
might have called and talked to him about Brian Flores,
and they might have said to him, Hey, we've got
a young quarterback and we feel like we've completely botched
the last three years, as their owner is publicly stated,
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and we want to bring in an offensive guy who
we feel I can get this kid back on track,
or at least give him a shot this year to
see what he could be. You know, if you look
at Brian what Brian Flores did with to a tongue
of Byla, it was awful. In regards to his development.
You could probably throw him in the category of how
the Giants handled things with Daniel Jones, admittedly so and
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how that's worked out so far. Brian Flores falls in
that category and jerking admitute out of a starting lineup,
you know, and in replace it with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Then
this past season that the comments that were made the
entire year, and you got Deshaun Watson kind of out
there looming. So when you look at it all, the
fact that they had to vet the coaches that they're interviewing,
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and that they probably in Bill Belichick probably got the
sense that Brian Dable was the guy. It doesn't mean
that Bill Belichick's ultimately deciding who's gonna be their head
coach and him him saying, hey, congratulations, you know, and
it sounds like you're got the job. However, it works
that that's not that like the stamp of approval. I mean,
it was the last time with Joe Judge. I mean,
if you look at how that worked out with Joe, Joe,
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he wasn't even close to the favorite or a guy
that they had really contemplated until he interviewed. He went
into that knocked out the interview, and then after the
fact that they talked to policially, they're like, yeah, this
this guy is the guy, and that's obviously didn't work
out two years later, So I think they're more looking
at this from what's best for their quarterback, maybe what's
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best for their team right now. At this point, I'm
moving forward, going from a guy who was a special
team's coach. He kind of you know, had a hard
time with the media, hard time making sure he kept
his team playing for him, versus a guy who he's
got glaring examples of missteps as how he handled to
a So why would you want to be bringing up
the New York Giants? And so I don't know that
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the text messagic exchange demonstrates racism in anyway. You know
the fact that Stephen Ross wanted to pay him a
hundred thousand dollars every loss yd up a number one
overall pick, that's not racism. Now, that's a whole different issue.
If you've got an owner he wants to pay, if
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you would if you at an owner who wants to
pay a guy to be able to to lose to them,
be able to get the number one overall pick, I
would assume if he's signing up for that, he's not
fallen on the sword too. And they're saying, oh, we're
gonna move on from this head coach, right, But that's
still not an instance of racism. But he could try
to turn it that way. It could be. It could be.
It's not. It's not that there's nothing to do. That
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could have been any head coach. It could have been
any head coach. It just happen to be him in
that position. And the reality is it was more about
who they were trying to draft and not necessarily not
necessarily which, by the way, look how that's worked out.
You know right now you have to you know, Sincenati Bengals,
it would have been Joe Burrow. You're the Cincinnati Bengals
now playing in the Super Bowl two years later. But
and another thing, it was with the Denver Broncos and
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that situation. I mean, it's gonna be a Broncos word
versus Brian Flores word. I don't know how you prove,
at least what's been put out there publicly, how that
how that's racism, that he's looking at them thinking, all right,
they came in after all night bender. I mean, okay,
you know that there are there are. Their accounts are
completely different. They've denied it completely. I don't know how
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you prove him saying he's looking at all this guy
feels like he's there's drunk, they've been out all night.
First off, I mean, if anyone knew how the Denver
crewit can operated, that could have been every single guy
they interviewed. I mean it's like you think it was
bad for Florence when we hired before. I've been at
the Pro Bowl. I got to tell you how to
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have a good time after you see Vic Fanshie. You know,
I'm just saying. So my thing is, it's like, if
that's really what the evidence, that's the evidence that's out there,
what's being circulated publicly, I think it's gonna be you're
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gonna have a hard time proving racism or discrimination in
that case. And and he's gotta he's got to have
a bunch of correspondence or he's got to have some
damning evidence of that. And the reason why it does
a class actions Obviously you can get guys like David
Coley or guys like Steven Wilkes, both who are fired
after one year. You can get other coaches to jump
on board and help support him in this. And so
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it's not you know, a scenario where we're looking at
Brian Floores all alone trying to basically carry you know
that the weight of all minority coaches that are ever
interviewing for head coaching jobs. Right like, they're trying to
get other head coaches to be a part of this,
and maybe you bring in more light and more evidence,
you know, filing a civil law studits lawsuits, they're gonna
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have to go through discovery, and that's the last thing
any NFL team doesn't, you know, wants to do. Hence
the John Gruden issue. That's one of the reasons why
they end up settling there. So I don't know that
this goes very far. I think they might end up
settling this thing before it's all said and done. Otherwise
the NFL will be subject to a bunch of emails
and correspondence and stuff coming out that they probably don't
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want to seeing the light of day. But I think
that that's what what the court of public opinion this
lawsuit has to considered to be. You're going oufter the
court of public opinion. So whether the logic of it
is you can't look at it as this is racism
in any way, it's still it's still the court of
public opinion that will say, oh, this is racism, and
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and whether and what you're saying is correct. You don't
want you don't want to have to go into you
know what discovery is and what may or may not
be there or something that could pop up. So you
are gonna you you probably are going to settle in.
If you do settle it, then that is that is
almost a form of of legitimacy of what his claim
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is if it never had to go to court. But
again my point would be, what's the ultimate end. You know,
by doing this you get you get a settlement. What
is that settlement for? I could imagine it's not going
to be for for a crazy amount a hundred million worth.
I mean, if you settle for half of that, I mean,
maybe that's not Maybe that's not bad. Be sure to
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio Whip. All Right,
so here we go. Let's get into uh, two all
time great players who I think hate this show. Um,
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we talked about Ben Roethlisberger and it was we were discussing,
all right, so when's Ben going to make his retirement announcement,
and um, you know, I threw out there. You know,
I feel like he's gonna let it, let it, you know,
hang around for a little while. I feel like he
wants some isolated time. He wants, you know, to have
the stage to himself. And um, about a half hour later,
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Ben decided to retire right after we went off the air.
Then yesterday on the show, we were betting over under
on when Tom Brady would have officially announced his retirement,
and I asked the question over or under the super Bowl?
And I think we all felt like it was going
to be after the super Bowl. They're they're just you know,
was with Jonas on this called under? Well did you
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call the under being about fifteen minutes after the show
ended or on the air? Okay, I just nobody cares. Now,
it's just mean got ruined. Nobody cares. Was that a
direct attack against us that they couldn't announce it on
the show They had to wait until right after the
show seem kind of weird. I mean it's a little weird,
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you know, like you could you couldn't do it on
this show when we would have given like rolled out
the red carpet in the Ears of America technology age,
things are by schedule and and when you have people
who are like he probably has a dope team of
people around him, strategists and stuff like that. There are
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there are peak hours, you know, the algorithms that that
you pull together and how you market and you brand
and you promote and you advertise. There are peak hours
that you schedule to release information. So what over time
that information was released, that was probably the peak time
or one of those peak times of where you get
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the most most action off of it, the most reaction
from it when you do it this morning drive man
like it doesn't get better here, Yeah, he's whatever it's
and look it's like evening evening time in is standbull
in the I Heart radio app puts it is it
is a big time stage for those guys to announce
her retirements. And they got a nis in the nuts
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and then people are offended and they'll foul a class
action for being discriminated, gets for getting the information when
it's their drive. Well, whatever you do around the other way,
by the way that the Dolphins claim about Ross win
the Pama hunter ka per loss, you can almost be like, well,
what other coaches that aren't minorities were ever offered that
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out there. Yeah, that that is a good point. Yeah
that is. I mean, you know that's that's a that's
a wild claim from Brian Flores and he's got a
evidence to back that up, right. Well, I mean, uh,
you know, apparently we don't need All I know is
I'm not gonna try to lose, but you're gonna pay
me that hundred k every time we do. Yeah, that's
that is true. If I'm gonna need that hun k
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like I try to lose. We just didn't lose the day.
Are you are you guys um? Are you getting promised
the players aren't gonna like abide by that, Like you
may be paying the coach that, but you for you
tend to forget the players jobs are on the line.
If they're gonna have a job next year, they can't
go out there and last stinker either. Can I ask you,
guys on are you disappointed in the way that Brady
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announces back to this. I'm just saying, you know, because
there's there's really announce it, like it was kind of
announced for him. It was you know what it was.
It was like a bad surprise party. It was It's
it's kind of what it is, right, Like, it was
like a couple of guys walking, Oh, it's a surprise party,
and like the person who you're actually celebrating walks in,
the party's already going on. Everyone's having a good time
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and no one notices. That's kind of what how it
worked out? Surprise what are you doing? And yeah, they
just put the whole thing that's the problem. You just
see the one one uh Instagram post where the guy
was sitting on the porch and he was he was faded,
and the dude came walking up. It's like, what what
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are you doing? Like why are you here right now?
And he totally that like I forget the whole skit.
I bombed it just now. But it was so funny
because then the wife came out or the girlfriend came
out and was like, what are you doing? You just
ruined the party? Like whatever, come in, Donna die. Everybody says, man,
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everybody's a happy birthday instead of surprised. But this is
actually the opposite, right, It's actually the opposite because you're
talking about when the person is celebrating their birthday and
and the surprise gets ruined. By somebody telling the guy
that it's the or the lady it's their birthday. I'm saying,
it's like someone walks in and ruins the good surprise.
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You ever had one of those where everyone's hiding they oh,
it's not Bill, it's Ted, dang it, and then everyone
eventually stops paying attention. Let's their guard down. Meanwhile Bill
walks in, everyone's already tricking. They already wasted the good suprise.
There you go, The good surprise has been wasted. That
is That is the whole point of this, all right,
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is that Tom Brady knows that. And if you want
to say he hates our show, you can say he
hates our shows. He probably has listened to our show
and said, you know what, those dudes are right. They
totally ruined my announcement. They totally ruined my dismount and
my landing. And that's that's I have to live with that.
So I might as well just go ahead and release
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a letter and say well Phil and move on from it.
It is, you know, it's sad about it not that
he ended with the Super Bowl and or back to
back Super Bowls like Elway, didn't sell it off in
the sunset, because that was that was the best. There
was nothing better than always you know, final chapter of
his playing career this once for yeah now and I'm
always showing up to head coaching meetings drawn well. But
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that being said, um, I feel like everything else that
Tom Brady's life and career has gone pretty well, like
it's all right, It's all right with me if the
doesn't go well, like, I'm okay with that. Like you know,
he's he's been there for twenty two years. He's had
the greatest career we've ever seen maybe in professional sports.
He is married to Gaze punched, And I think I'm
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okay with with with his retirement not going planned right,
like like God good, I think I'll be okay from this.
And his last throw was a touchdown pass, correct, I
mean I want to say it wasn't Tom Brady's last
throw a touchdown pass? Yes, it was Evans, Yeah it
was you know, No, his last throw was to that.
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His last touchdown pass was to Mike Evans. Um. But
his last throw, I want to say, was to say,
at up that rushing touchdown by Leonard Fournette, So you know,
at least, look, there's worse ways to go out. At
least he brought him back in that game. He got
bloodied up, he got called for a personal foul or
a misconduct or whatever they want to term it because
he was screaming at it at an official I wonder
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if he's going to foul a class action lawsuit against
the people who released the information out on him and
discriminated against him, being Tom Brady, because I think that
you know, what's good for the goose is certainly good
for the gander. I mean, he was drunk at that
Super Bowl boat party. I wonder if that's going to
be brought up against Tom Brady to work against him,
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that he was drinking, Uh what was that cucumber tequila
when he and and through the and actually the goal
and the nerve to toss from boat to boat the
Lombardi Trophy, which by the way, the creator's daughter came out,
uh and and scolded Tom Brady for doing that, and
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and and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I just wonder if
there's going to be a lawsuit here that the media
jacked up this man's retirement. I want that note. I
want to sculpture on the sculpture of the actual Lombardy.
It doesn't seem that complicated, Like I mean, I feel
like you could find someone else to come in and
replicate that. I'm not really sure the the original designer,
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the sculptor, you know, you should have as much weight.
He has a pretty simple design. I mean, it's a
pretty sweet trophy. I'm just saying it's pretty simple. Wed
to the list of people who hate our show. Now,
the daughter of that sculptor now has added us to
her her kill list of people who she does not
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want anyone to disparage or take away from what that
Lombardi trophy represents from what her dad has done. Well,
let me listen. You know, just because it's art doesn't
mean it's good art. There's a lot of stuff that
I that are cells for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It looks like crap. So I mean, you know it
is what it is. Somebody painted that. You'd be like,
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oh my god, what is that? But it might be
great artwork. It might make sense, you know what I mean, Like,
why would anybody paint a gas pump? I'm saying it
is what you know what you mean that not a
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copple bed. It could be worse. Alright, a squirt gun.
All right, I do have a squirre gun. You guys
want to you guys want some Tom Bradys, tell me
about it. Took down the road to fill up a
lot of a lot of rust on that too. All right?
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Do you guys want a little Tom Brady trivia? Here?
You want to take a stab at a little time?
Any sort of game show music? Here? Some Tom Brady trivia? Uh?
Here on Fox Sports Radio. This is this is some
good stuff here, no cheating. I'm looking at Twitter. I
have a feeling that Brady quit has already seen this.
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Uh and I will explain why he's probably already seen this. Alright,
So here is the trivia question. I want to see
how many of these you guys can get. There are
five teams that Tom Brady never lost to in his
entire career. Al Right, five teams he never lost to
in his entire career. Who wants to go first and
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guessing one of these five teams? Rights? Alright? So the
Cleveland the Cleveland Browns. That that is incorrect, That is incorrect,
That is not one of the five one of the five,
that is silly, never lost to the Bengals. Uh, the
Cincinnati Bengals. Cincinnati for Brady Quinn. That is incorrect. Never
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lost to what only leads thirty nine more teams. I mean,
at some point I'll just give these away because I
don't want you know, you know, eat up valuable air.
It more difficult than thoughts. Definitely, Mimi like one of them.
One of them is pretty obvious because he hasn't played
them all yet. No, the Jefs, No, yeah, he's lost
to the Jeff Yeah, so he lost. The Patricia beat
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him like the firste. No, he's he's lost. I don't care. Listen,
tell us what a terrible game. We'll listen. One of
these is pretty obvious. He just played him for the
first time. Is an obvious Jonas who did he play
for the first time last year in his entire career?
New England? Yes, that's New England's one of them. I
hear the other four that Tom took them out of it.
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I said, teens, you didn't hear me say that. You
should have said, no, LaVar, it's thirty, Thomas, it's thirty.
Tom Brady never lost to the Buccaneers. Okay, he never
lost to the Cowboys. He never lost to the Vikings,
and he never lost to the Atlanta Falcons. So it's
all NFC teams. It's such cheap. Because that's so cheap.
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He barely played some time. He's played like there were
he played at the Falcons ten times. There was enough.
I don't have to tell you guys, all right, I'm
just you're looking at it. Don't act like you're judging us.
You're looking at the answers. By the way, speaking making bards,
speaking of Harry Carrey, do you guys see what the
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date is? Did you see what the was that your
Harry carry? Was that Lavarth Harry carry? How do you say?
Jana is backwards? It's to sway too deuces a wild
a sweak of the deuces. That's what Brady's were doing
(28:54):
the last two hours. Rady slot why some of us
got a stomach virus? Virus backwards? Quinn households, Hi, why
(29:15):
why did Lavarus son like you was trying to seduce you.
I don't know. It was like a seductive Harry carrols.
It's like Harry carry after the game. Listen, this is
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College Football Analysts and congratulations are also in order. His
alma mater USC with the biggest get of the century,
Caleb Williams. I mean, pe this is I mean, you
talk about a momentous occasion for USC football, right, the
biggest coup ever. I think it's good. I mean, I
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don't know where else he was gonna go. We Wisconsin
wasn't the natural fit there for him? Yeah, I mean
he's from Washington, d C. Makes sense. We don't have
a lot of guys that have played in the on
the I mean there's Jonathan Ogden Hall of Famer, just
like LaVar Arrington in the college and pro level, not
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the pro one, but still Jonathan Ogden is from Bethesda,
I think. And then there was a great running back
in my day at USC who didn't pan out, you know,
one of those guys that just whose personal life caught
up with him, I guess. But Leonard Greene was one
of the best running backs I ever saw. And uh,
I think he only had one one yard game at USC,
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and and and he wasn't there very long. But he
was from d C. And there's a few guys here
and there. But uh, it's it's interesting, you know that
he's all the way from d C. Lincoln dug him
out to get him at Oklahoma. You just heard Eddie say, uh,
in the middle of a lot of lamentation about the
f and commanders. Uh were to USC commanders, would you
(31:55):
like that? Well? Yeah, Cobra commander. In fact, I cuped
this up for you guys. Hold on, you know you
really family here. Here's Cobra Commander. Ever think it says
on YouTube that, yeah, that sounds pretty right. I mean
(32:18):
it's like four minutes where I just do this and
there's Destro. Is it? Dan Snyder? Yes, Deathstro had a
dope voice. Cobra Commander had one of the most irritant
type voices ever. It was irritating, super bad, super bad,
like get under your skin type type. I've a big
fan of Cobra commanders, so I like the name change
(32:40):
now as far as well, he's Cobra command Neither did Destro,
but that's because his face was badly burned. Uh, g
I Joe everyone by the way, Yeah you don't know
about g I Joe Brady. I used to play with
Join I was it. I haven't really gotten into a
(33:01):
since then. You're right. Yeah, Well, when they put the
cartoon back out for free on YouTube during the pandemic,
let's just say that I reconnected. That was before that
was before school every day right or after. Joe. Well,
ThunderCats was American hero finding the Cobra pos. ThunderCats was
(33:26):
so phallic though, you know, with the growing sword just
like thunder and a gunderger ThunderCats. I got a little
and it was like, all right, So so you're said
his sword kept growing and then he called for the hose.
Is what's that's what you're saying. Okay, I say all that,
all right, although I did think I saw Lionel in
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that video. Every other city we go, every other can
I throw this one out at you. That's why we're
on the topic of d C and Caleb coming out here.
I'm gonna play some go go yeah. Shouts out to
the backyard bench, shout yeah, all right, you know, shouts
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out to Chuck obviously, Uncle Chuck, you know, the father
of it. Well he's not here anymore. Uh, sugar Beer
and all them, so listen, um uh. It is a
hot bit of talent in in d C and the
DNB all go to a Penn State or marriage. Okay,
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but now you get Caleb to come to USC. Do
you feel as though there might be a push to
get more players from the area A d C A
d C exodus. I mean, I won't say that large.
I mean that's going to be difficult to beat Larry
Johnson at Ohio State or Frank at at Penn State
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or even locks at at Maryland. Yeah, I mean, there's
just it's the same thing. Been out to l A
and trying to get a guy or what you do.
See a lot of West Coast guys go east, you do,
and but how many of them are you gonna get
if you concentrate on the area, Like how how you're
flying all the way across the country. You're spending a
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bunch of time in l A. Let's say you targeted
ten guys, like a volume shooter at the club, you
targeted ten girls. He only wants one, right, But if
you're targeting ten recruits in an area and flying across
the country constantly, you know, and amid the other responsibilities
you have, you know, because that's college football coaching, and
you only get one out of ten and then the
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other nine went to Lincoln Riley. Maybe it's not the
best ratio, but you I mean, of course, I mean
I remember, Uh, different guys come from different schools that
had a connection with USC back in the day, and
it would be celebrated, uh in the newspaper and stuff
when that kind of thing was more relevant. So it
could start a d C exodus and if it does
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you will be the first to get credit. The one
thing that interests me really about Caleb Williams, like you said,
he's only played the seven games, but he's a good
looking kid at six, He's got like a running backs
body in some ways. He stands tall and throws the
ball beautifully. But Lincoln Riley's gonna call quarterback run, you know,
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he does that. He just he called it when Baker
Mayfield was the quarterback, and that really is an equalizer
and it's a it's a it's a confident way to
call plays. Now. Obviously, I think if he had a
different quarterback, like the kid at Los Alamidos High School
that's committed to USC, what's his name, Malachi and litt Nelson, Uh,
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he might be a little bit different. I mean, he's
obviously adapts to different players Kyler and all this. But
the one thing that concerns me about USC and I
think they're gonna win ten eleven games a year now
that they've kind of flipped uh the field on on
the West Coast, They're gonna be relevant. Brady and his
crew is going to do the big nude out there.
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There's gonna be a lot of celebration of the team
and they're gonna win Tevin ten eleven games. Have they
addressed the line of scrimmage and defense to where they
need to? I don't know. I don't you know. I
I not, certainly not in the media like they have
with all these skilled position guys. And are they gonna
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be able to push the Alabama's and people's like that
off the ball when they get in those games. I
don't know if and when that will happen, but this
is certainly all very positive for my alma mater. I
was gonna ask you that because you get the sense
that you know they're they're getting, you know, getting all
these recruits to take bringing some guys from Oklahoma, which
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I guess it begs this question. Do you feel like
there's an ethical issue with some of the players that
left Oklahoma and came to us see an I'm not
saying the Southern cow and linking Riley or the only
school doing this, but did you feel like there's like
an ethical issue right now in regards to the transfer
portal and how this is all working out in regards
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to the transfer portal. This is the ethical issue that
bothers me and I don't blame any kid for going
anywhere at this point, at this time. If anybody's willing
to pick up stakes and you know, get out of
their girlfriend's bed and go to another school, good for you.
I couldn't. I couldn't have done it in college my
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face right. Wait wait wait, wait, what did you say?
I was up in there like my coach John robertson
contest stuff, stand by me. Yeah, it was like Richard Nixon. Anyway,
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that's a lot. You left cow you went to Yeah,
I left because she was back here, came down three
way with no that turns out no. But anyway, The
point is, I don't mind the Here's what ethically bothers
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me about it is what about all these kids that
we've been just piping up for no reason at USC
for the last three years. Every recruit that signs like
oh this guy, and these guys are getting discarded like trash,
Like you know, Lincoln Riley hasn't talked to each and
every one of these guys. Maybe he has, I don't know,
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but just that and the people just acting like the
last dozen years of absolute chaos and ineptitude and the
ruining of people's careers for twelve years at USC didn't happen,
Like all that's erased before Lincoln Riley's team e and
takes the field. And I gotta be honest, I'm not
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that willing to let it go. I think all of
this stuff is great for USC football. I think it's
even better for the West Coast and the rest of
us in the Pack twelve. For when Washington State plays USC,
that might be a big moon game, right, Like, there's
gonna be a lot of attention on this team and
this school again, and we need that on the West Coast.
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We need that for the new Pack twelve TV deal.
Anybody that denied it is probably living in Eugene and
they're wrong. So that's all great stuff, But the last
twelve years have almost ruined West Coast college football in
the Pac twelve. And certainly it's just been awful to
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cover and to have to sit there and talk about it.
And I'm one of the only people that's actually been
true to myself about it in a lot of ways,
I think, and I'm not willing to let go of
the last dozen years have people being screwed over because
the transport portal is like a slot machine right now,
you know, let him take the field and win the
conference and we'll say great, you know, look what they did.
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But right now, a that does that, does this make
them the favorite in the pack? Now? Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
But you know, like it's just the same thing, LaVar,
Like what I was saying earlier, like when they get
in the game was like Cincinnati when they got to
the championship this year, and Washington when Jake Browning was
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a QB and they got to the championship. And just
over the years, these teams that have gotten in, they
get in the trenches with Alabama and the Georgias of
the world are Clemson and they can't push him off
the ball and they and I hate to say be
so simplistic on such a complex sports Showy said it earlier,
but home but you know, they just can't do it.
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One of the only places that's been able to develop
great offensive line over generations of football is Wisconsin on
the West coast, is US is usc and the day
back in the day for certain well, yeah, Anthony Mooney
and they were all people from California, you know, Anthony
Muno's Bruce Matthews, Uh, Brad, Buddy uh Yerry ron Yerry.
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I mean it goes on and on, and they were
all developed players here and then the Pete Carroll era
they did the same thing. The Khalil Brothers, Sat Baker
people like that. Uh, they had a great thing going.
So if they can recreate that, I think they'll be
in great shape. But as Lincoln Riley the coach that
he is willing to do that, I think he I
think maybe, yeah, maybe more than people. Yeah from rev
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High red Land East Valley. I think maybe he's willing
to do it more than people think he is. But
I still think that they have to really address the
line of scrimmage before. You know, before I hired the
tuba player to come and play everywhere I walk around.
Get him on Twitter at the old p Petro's papadgis uh.
(43:04):
You hear him on a M five seventy l A
Sports by the way, phenomenal interview with Eric Weddo yesterday
with you and Matt mney Smith. That was good stuff
him talking about how he was you know, first game
he was really really involved in and he was pretty
sore and banged up afterwards. I know that, Uh, he said,
I feel okay till this morning. A morning. That's rus.
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I want to know what's gonna happen now with rap
probably coming back and and Fuller and Nick Scott. It's like,
I know he led him in tackles, but does he
expect to start and plays. I mean, he'll get out there,
he's I mean, he's Matt asked me, why, uh, you
guys gotta go, don't you know? Matt asked me why
(43:46):
why I thought that, you know, he could just come
off the because obviously coming out of two years of
retirement and playing at that level, this it's an unbelievable story.
And it's because he's one of those there's like a
handful that I've seen over the years. I played with
Troy Polamalu, who was one of those guys for sure,
(44:07):
but just an instinctual safety that's two steps ahead of
everybody anyway, and he just he knows where to go.
And they probably play him on the boundary now, and
he just he's he can play. His body got a
little beat up because he had a lot of tackles,
but it's just because he relies on his instincts and
(44:27):
he knows where where everything's going anyway, and there's only
a few people like that Ed Reid was that way.
You know, you could be big, strong and fast and
physical and still be an absolute fart in the whirlwind
back there. You know. It's it's very it's a very
very difficult position. And these guys kind of feel it
(44:50):
like improvisational jazz guys and they're just there when and
they and they align up everybody else. So he's an
amazing once in a lifetime talent and an absolutely great,
humble guy who's a local here from Alta Loma in California,
Rancho Cucamonga area. Yeah, so God bless him. Yeah, he's
(45:10):
a good dude. It is Petro's Papadakis uh Fox College
Football Analyst Day in five seventy l A Sports, the
co host of The Petros and Money Show. Get him
on Twitter at the old p Petro's always fun man.
Let's do it again next week super Bowl week, Baby,
your time a year. Look up Destro's origin story. They're
not going to make a movie about it or what origin. Okay,
(45:37):
that Destro's had sex, you think? So I like that
when somebody says, like you know that that girl she
has sex, it's like, well, most people do filter filter
non existent alright, I love it. We will do it
(45:58):
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It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar, Area Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
sports radio. It's a groundhog Day. I know you've been
from p A LaVar. Is that a big time Dan Pennsylvania. Yeah,
that's a real thing. I mean, what do they do that?
What does uh punk sitani Phil actually pop out of
(00:24):
whatever shoe box they got him in, which is animal
cruelty just to see I'm just wondering. I mean, they
got him locked in like a bread box, and he's
got to pop out and look at his shadow, and
they're gonna forecast either the future buddy comes up out
of his hole. If he sees his shadow, it's it's
just like what it's it's less or more. I don't
even remember it because living here you don't worry about this. Yeah,
(00:46):
I think if he sees it shadow, it's more bad
weather for a little while longer. Or if he doesn't
see his shadow, it's bad weather for a little while longer.
If he does see his shadow, then things are looking
on the up and then he walks back into a
hole and I'll see you guys next year. It's like
trying to have a conversation with somebody in Alaska about
tanning salons. You know, it's just that they can't really,
(01:07):
It's just see somebody in Alaska would a tan. That's
that's impressive. It is, especially if it was a natural tan.
It is absolutely I'm speaking a natural tans. Brady Quinn
with us here as well. To have either of you
even been to Alaska, No, but I've seen Deadliest Catch.
I know it's sunny, it's just cold, yeah, and it's
(01:29):
like it's not always and it's dark out for like
twenty five hours a day. Certain times I want to
go to Alaska. I'm fascinated about. It's an amazing place here.
Less do you care Lavars, not at all. It's probably
not a place that I would going to, all right.
So with that being said, Happy Groundhog Day to everybody listening.
(01:52):
One of the more underrated comedy films of all time.
And then we move on for away from the comedy
to uh this bombshell that was dropped in the NFL yesterday. Um,
you know we were planning, all right, let's you know,
make fun of each other for making an over under
prediction on Tom Brady and when he announced his retirement,
and of course, twenty minutes later he announces it, but
(02:13):
away we go. Brian Flores, the former head coach of
the Miami Dolphins, has filed a class action lawsuit alleging
discrimination during the hiring process with not only the Giants
this year, but the Broncos a couple of years ago.
Uh And it goes a little something like this. The
claim against the Giants is that they had already planned
(02:34):
on hiring Brian day Ball and that Brian Flores was
just sort of brought in, uh and as sort of
a mock interview, if you want to call it that.
And his proof is an interaction with Bill Belichick via
text message where Belichick congratulates him on the job, thinking
that he's Brian day Ball, not realizing that he's Brian Flores.
And so those made its way into the lawsuit as
(02:57):
evidence of the Giants already had their guy and he
was being discriminated against. There then there was the the
other discussion when it comes to the Miami Dolphins, in
which the Miami Dolphins um he said that Steven Ross
offered to give him a hundred thousand dollars for every
game he lost. A couple of years ago because he
wanted to tank that there was reports that the front
(03:19):
office was mad that they weren't losing games. Uh. The
the report also went on to saying the lawsuit went
on to say that, uh, that he was brought in
to meet with a quarterback that was under contract without
his knowing, on a yacht somewhere in my in South
Florida during the wintertime. Allegedly that quarterback was Tom Brady.
But but Brian Flores wanted no part of that, and
(03:41):
so he was sort of shamed into being looked at,
his difficult to work with, etcetera, etcetera. Afterwards, he didn't
want to play ball with them. Uh. And then it
goes to the Denver Broncos portion of things were. According
to Brian Flores, he showed up to his interview with
the Denver Broncos a couple of years ago, and it
was clear that John Elways, John Elway and others in
the front office were hungover from the night before, They
(04:03):
were an hour late, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And away we
go with a bombshell a class action lawsuit from Brian Flores,
who is taking out not only the Giants but also
the Broncos, the Dolphins, and the entire NFL, all of
which involved in this have already come out and denied
uh and defended themselves via social media against these allegations.
(04:26):
So there's that, alright. Alright, it's a little hot potato
who wants wants to racism and potato here. I want
to hear. I want to hear all LaVar things because
I feel like, as a middle aged white guy, no
one cares what I think about this subject. I'll be
honest with you, I don't feel like anyone cares like
what I have to say about this subject. So I'll
(04:49):
start here. For him to foul a lawsuit against so
many different parties. He clearly believes that he's done in
the National Football League, I mean, have to start there.
He he. He feels as though he he does not
have a fair opportunity. UM now to what degree, what capacity,
I don't know. Is it is it never a head coach,
(05:11):
Is it not a coach at all? I'm not certain
what it is. But I almost feel as though that's
the first feeling is he's been backed into a corner
and it's something that he loves to do, something that
he wants to do that he can't do. And if
you're trying to figure out based off of what his
(05:31):
resume is and and he doesn't have a job right now,
what is he basing what is he basing his lack
of employment or his lack of opportunities off of and
and and generally speaking, it's it's always most likely based
off of race relations. And I don't think that that's
(05:54):
you know, that's nothing new. That's not a military secret
that's been let out. Oh my gosh, somebody is it
may be racist or maybe prejudice, whether that that is
what it is um that took place. Uh, you know,
I tend to fall on the side of life is
(06:14):
about solutions and problems, and when you find yourself in
a problem, you have to be as honest as you
can possibly be with yourself first as to what your
solutions are going to be. You have to be solution
driven because no matter what the problem is, if it's
your problem, you still have to solve for it. So
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if it, if it does happen to be racism and prejudice,
that is playing a part. And why Flores is in
the situation that he's in right now, and he felt
strongly enough about it to foul class action lawsuit against
these parties, then he must feel like that's his reasoning
or the justification of it. And and his solution is
(06:57):
to take it to court and stand up for him
elf in the court of law. I'm not going to
sit here and be the one that says that whatever
it is he's feeling and what he's going through isn't
valid versus valid. I think that he's doing what he feels,
feels his best for him. And and that's kind of
how I I look at it, because the the whole
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idea of what racism and prejudice represents. First of all,
everybody's prejudice. I mean, that's just is what it is,
whether you're prejudice against one thing or another. Everybody has prejudgments.
They they they're prejudice of something, whether it's the way
you were raised, where you were raised, how you were raised, whatever.
If you're spending so much time worrying about what people
(07:42):
think about you, you're giving yourself less of an opportunity
to get to where you're ultimately trying to go. And
I've always looked at things that way. I do not
make I do not make excuses. For myself, I do
not give myself out on things that I'm trying to
accomplish in my life based off of the color of
my skin. And that's just how I approach things. Now
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everybody doesn't approach things that way, and it and it
really has become sensationalized to play the race card everything
when it doesn't go right for someone of color, it
is the race card is brought into it and is
brought into play. So for me, I don't know, I'm
not I'm not really close enough to this Floras situation
(08:29):
to say one way or the other if he's legitimate
or legitimized for what he's doing, other than to say
he feels it's legit. So let's see how it plays out.
But for me, I just I would I would assume
that he doesn't believe he has a fair opportunity in
the National Football League at this because this is a
(08:50):
bridge burning act that that he's doing. Yeah, I think
the thing that you do when you follow a civil
lawsuit and what he's done is what usually leaks out
or what usually comes out is the most damning evidence.
And of the examples that Jonas laid out, whether that
(09:11):
was the text from Bill Belichick, and I guess you
can say, well, Bill Belichick, you know it's basically congratulating
one Brian thinking it was Brian Dable when in fact
it was Brian Flores, and it was before Flora's had
even interviewed. That's not necessarily racism. I mean, if you're
(09:32):
if you're really breaking down each of these events, you know,
they might have called Bill Belichick about Brian Dable. They
might have called and talked to him about Brian Flores,
and they might have said to him, Hey, we've got
a young quarterback and we feel like we've completely botched
the last three years, as their owner is publicly stated,
(09:53):
and we want to bring in an offensive guy who
we feel I can get this kid back on track,
or at least give him a shot this year to
see what he could be. You know, if you look
at Brian what Brian Flores did with to a tongue
of Byla, it was awful. In regards to his development.
You could probably throw him in the category of how
the Giants handled things with Daniel Jones, admittedly so and
(10:16):
how that's worked out so far. Brian Flores falls in
that category and jerking admitute out of a starting lineup,
you know, and in replace it with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Then
this past season that the comments that were made the
entire year, and you got Deshaun Watson kind of out
there looming. So when you look at it all, the
fact that they had to vet the coaches that they're interviewing,
(10:38):
and that they probably in Bill Belichick probably got the
sense that Brian Dable was the guy. It doesn't mean
that Bill Belichick's ultimately deciding who's gonna be their head
coach and him him saying, hey, congratulations, you know, and
it sounds like you're got the job. However, it works
that that's not that like the stamp of approval. I mean,
it was the last time with Joe Judge. I mean,
if you look at how that worked out with Joe, Joe,
(11:00):
he wasn't even close to the favorite or a guy
that they had really contemplated until he interviewed. He went
into that knocked out the interview, and then after the
fact that they talked to policially, they're like, yeah, this
this guy is the guy, and that's obviously didn't work
out two years later, So I think they're more looking
at this from what's best for their quarterback, maybe what's
(11:23):
best for their team right now. At this point, I'm
moving forward, going from a guy who was a special
team's coach. He kind of you know, had a hard
time with the media, hard time making sure he kept
his team playing for him, versus a guy who he's
got glaring examples of missteps as how he handled to
a So why would you want to be bringing up
the New York Giants? And so I don't know that
(11:45):
the text messagic exchange demonstrates racism in anyway. You know
the fact that Stephen Ross wanted to pay him a
hundred thousand dollars every loss yd up a number one
overall pick, that's not racism. Now, that's a whole different issue.
If you've got an owner he wants to pay, if
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you would if you at an owner who wants to
pay a guy to be able to to lose to them,
be able to get the number one overall pick, I
would assume if he's signing up for that, he's not
fallen on the sword too. And they're saying, oh, we're
gonna move on from this head coach, right, But that's
still not an instance of racism. But he could try
to turn it that way. It could be. It could be.
It's not. It's not that there's nothing to do. That
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could have been any head coach. It could have been
any head coach. It just happen to be him in
that position. And the reality is it was more about
who they were trying to draft and not necessarily not
necessarily which, by the way, look how that's worked out.
You know right now you have to you know, Sincenati Bengals,
it would have been Joe Burrow. You're the Cincinnati Bengals
now playing in the Super Bowl two years later. But
and another thing, it was with the Denver Broncos and
(12:46):
that situation. I mean, it's gonna be a Broncos word
versus Brian Flores word. I don't know how you prove,
at least what's been put out there publicly, how that
how that's racism, that he's looking at them thinking, all right,
they came in after all night bender. I mean, okay,
you know that there are there are. Their accounts are
completely different. They've denied it completely. I don't know how
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you prove him saying he's looking at all this guy
feels like he's there's drunk, they've been out all night.
First off, I mean, if anyone knew how the Denver
crewit can operated, that could have been every single guy
they interviewed. I mean it's like you think it was
bad for Florence when we hired before. I've been at
the Pro Bowl. I got to tell you how to
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have a good time after you see Vic Fanshie. You know,
I'm just saying. So my thing is, it's like, if
that's really what the evidence, that's the evidence that's out there,
what's being circulated publicly, I think it's gonna be you're
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gonna have a hard time proving racism or discrimination in
that case. And and he's gotta he's got to have
a bunch of correspondence or he's got to have some
damning evidence of that. And the reason why it does
a class actions Obviously you can get guys like David
Coley or guys like Steven Wilkes, both who are fired
after one year. You can get other coaches to jump
on board and help support him in this. And so
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it's not you know, a scenario where we're looking at
Brian Floores all alone trying to basically carry you know
that the weight of all minority coaches that are ever
interviewing for head coaching jobs. Right like, they're trying to
get other head coaches to be a part of this,
and maybe you bring in more light and more evidence,
you know, filing a civil law studits lawsuits, they're gonna
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have to go through discovery, and that's the last thing
any NFL team doesn't, you know, wants to do. Hence
the John Gruden issue. That's one of the reasons why
they end up settling there. So I don't know that
this goes very far. I think they might end up
settling this thing before it's all said and done. Otherwise
the NFL will be subject to a bunch of emails
and correspondence and stuff coming out that they probably don't
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want to seeing the light of day. But I think
that that's what what the court of public opinion this
lawsuit has to considered to be. You're going oufter the
court of public opinion. So whether the logic of it
is you can't look at it as this is racism
in any way, it's still it's still the court of
public opinion that will say, oh, this is racism, and
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and whether and what you're saying is correct. You don't
want you don't want to have to go into you
know what discovery is and what may or may not
be there or something that could pop up. So you
are gonna you you probably are going to settle in.
If you do settle it, then that is that is
almost a form of of legitimacy of what his claim
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is if it never had to go to court. But
again my point would be, what's the ultimate end. You know,
by doing this you get you get a settlement. What
is that settlement for? I could imagine it's not going
to be for for a crazy amount a hundred million worth.
I mean, if you settle for half of that, I mean,
maybe that's not Maybe that's not bad. Be sure to
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catch live editions of Two Pros and a Cup of
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio Whip. All Right,
so here we go. Let's get into uh, two all
time great players who I think hate this show. Um,
(16:19):
we talked about Ben Roethlisberger and it was we were discussing,
all right, so when's Ben going to make his retirement announcement,
and um, you know, I threw out there. You know,
I feel like he's gonna let it, let it, you know,
hang around for a little while. I feel like he
wants some isolated time. He wants, you know, to have
the stage to himself. And um, about a half hour later,
(16:39):
Ben decided to retire right after we went off the air.
Then yesterday on the show, we were betting over under
on when Tom Brady would have officially announced his retirement,
and I asked the question over or under the super Bowl?
And I think we all felt like it was going
to be after the super Bowl. They're they're just you know,
was with Jonas on this called under? Well did you
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call the under being about fifteen minutes after the show
ended or on the air? Okay, I just nobody cares. Now,
it's just mean got ruined. Nobody cares. Was that a
direct attack against us that they couldn't announce it on
the show They had to wait until right after the
show seem kind of weird. I mean it's a little weird,
(17:22):
you know, like you could you couldn't do it on
this show when we would have given like rolled out
the red carpet in the Ears of America technology age,
things are by schedule and and when you have people
who are like he probably has a dope team of
people around him, strategists and stuff like that. There are
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there are peak hours, you know, the algorithms that that
you pull together and how you market and you brand
and you promote and you advertise. There are peak hours
that you schedule to release information. So what over time
that information was released, that was probably the peak time
or one of those peak times of where you get
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the most most action off of it, the most reaction
from it when you do it this morning drive man
like it doesn't get better here, Yeah, he's whatever it's
and look it's like evening evening time in is standbull
in the I Heart radio app puts it is it
is a big time stage for those guys to announce
her retirements. And they got a nis in the nuts
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and then people are offended and they'll foul a class
action for being discriminated, gets for getting the information when
it's their drive. Well, whatever you do around the other way,
by the way that the Dolphins claim about Ross win
the Pama hunter ka per loss, you can almost be like, well,
what other coaches that aren't minorities were ever offered that
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out there. Yeah, that that is a good point. Yeah
that is. I mean, you know that's that's a that's
a wild claim from Brian Flores and he's got a
evidence to back that up, right. Well, I mean, uh,
you know, apparently we don't need All I know is
I'm not gonna try to lose, but you're gonna pay
me that hundred k every time we do. Yeah, that's
that is true. If I'm gonna need that hun k
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like I try to lose. We just didn't lose the day.
Are you are you guys um? Are you getting promised
the players aren't gonna like abide by that, Like you
may be paying the coach that, but you for you
tend to forget the players jobs are on the line.
If they're gonna have a job next year, they can't
go out there and last stinker either. Can I ask you,
guys on are you disappointed in the way that Brady
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announces back to this. I'm just saying, you know, because
there's there's really announce it, like it was kind of
announced for him. It was you know what it was.
It was like a bad surprise party. It was It's
it's kind of what it is, right, Like, it was
like a couple of guys walking, Oh, it's a surprise party,
and like the person who you're actually celebrating walks in,
the party's already going on. Everyone's having a good time
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and no one notices. That's kind of what how it
worked out? Surprise what are you doing? And yeah, they
just put the whole thing that's the problem. You just
see the one one uh Instagram post where the guy
was sitting on the porch and he was he was faded,
and the dude came walking up. It's like, what what
(20:21):
are you doing? Like why are you here right now?
And he totally that like I forget the whole skit.
I bombed it just now. But it was so funny
because then the wife came out or the girlfriend came
out and was like, what are you doing? You just
ruined the party? Like whatever, come in, Donna die. Everybody says, man,
(20:41):
everybody's a happy birthday instead of surprised. But this is
actually the opposite, right, It's actually the opposite because you're
talking about when the person is celebrating their birthday and
and the surprise gets ruined. By somebody telling the guy
that it's the or the lady it's their birthday. I'm saying,
it's like someone walks in and ruins the good surprise.
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You ever had one of those where everyone's hiding they oh,
it's not Bill, it's Ted, dang it, and then everyone
eventually stops paying attention. Let's their guard down. Meanwhile Bill
walks in, everyone's already tricking. They already wasted the good suprise.
There you go, The good surprise has been wasted. That
is That is the whole point of this, all right,
(21:24):
is that Tom Brady knows that. And if you want
to say he hates our show, you can say he
hates our shows. He probably has listened to our show
and said, you know what, those dudes are right. They
totally ruined my announcement. They totally ruined my dismount and
my landing. And that's that's I have to live with that.
So I might as well just go ahead and release
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a letter and say well Phil and move on from it.
It is, you know, it's sad about it not that
he ended with the Super Bowl and or back to
back Super Bowls like Elway, didn't sell it off in
the sunset, because that was that was the best. There
was nothing better than always you know, final chapter of
his playing career this once for yeah now and I'm
always showing up to head coaching meetings drawn well. But
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that being said, um, I feel like everything else that
Tom Brady's life and career has gone pretty well, like
it's all right, It's all right with me if the
doesn't go well, like, I'm okay with that. Like you know,
he's he's been there for twenty two years. He's had
the greatest career we've ever seen maybe in professional sports.
He is married to Gaze punched, And I think I'm
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okay with with with his retirement not going planned right,
like like God good, I think I'll be okay from this.
And his last throw was a touchdown pass, correct, I
mean I want to say it wasn't Tom Brady's last
throw a touchdown pass? Yes, it was Evans, Yeah it
was you know, No, his last throw was to that.
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His last touchdown pass was to Mike Evans. Um. But
his last throw, I want to say, was to say,
at up that rushing touchdown by Leonard Fournette, So you know,
at least, look, there's worse ways to go out. At
least he brought him back in that game. He got
bloodied up, he got called for a personal foul or
a misconduct or whatever they want to term it because
he was screaming at it at an official I wonder
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if he's going to foul a class action lawsuit against
the people who released the information out on him and
discriminated against him, being Tom Brady, because I think that
you know, what's good for the goose is certainly good
for the gander. I mean, he was drunk at that
Super Bowl boat party. I wonder if that's going to
be brought up against Tom Brady to work against him,
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that he was drinking, Uh what was that cucumber tequila
when he and and through the and actually the goal
and the nerve to toss from boat to boat the
Lombardi Trophy, which by the way, the creator's daughter came out,
uh and and scolded Tom Brady for doing that, and
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and and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I just wonder if
there's going to be a lawsuit here that the media
jacked up this man's retirement. I want that note. I
want to sculpture on the sculpture of the actual Lombardy.
It doesn't seem that complicated, Like I mean, I feel
like you could find someone else to come in and
replicate that. I'm not really sure the the original designer,
(24:22):
the sculptor, you know, you should have as much weight.
He has a pretty simple design. I mean, it's a
pretty sweet trophy. I'm just saying it's pretty simple. Wed
to the list of people who hate our show. Now,
the daughter of that sculptor now has added us to
her her kill list of people who she does not
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want anyone to disparage or take away from what that
Lombardi trophy represents from what her dad has done. Well,
let me listen. You know, just because it's art doesn't
mean it's good art. There's a lot of stuff that
I that are cells for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It looks like crap. So I mean, you know it
is what it is. Somebody painted that. You'd be like,
(25:04):
oh my god, what is that? But it might be
great artwork. It might make sense, you know what I mean, Like,
why would anybody paint a gas pump? I'm saying it
is what you know what you mean that not a
(25:27):
copple bed. It could be worse. Alright, a squirt gun.
All right, I do have a squirre gun. You guys
want to you guys want some Tom Bradys, tell me
about it. Took down the road to fill up a
lot of a lot of rust on that too. All right?
(25:50):
Do you guys want a little Tom Brady trivia? Here?
You want to take a stab at a little time?
Any sort of game show music? Here? Some Tom Brady trivia? Uh?
Here on Fox Sports Radio. This is this is some
good stuff here, no cheating. I'm looking at Twitter. I
have a feeling that Brady quit has already seen this.
(26:12):
Uh and I will explain why he's probably already seen this. Alright,
So here is the trivia question. I want to see
how many of these you guys can get. There are
five teams that Tom Brady never lost to in his
entire career. Al Right, five teams he never lost to
in his entire career. Who wants to go first and
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guessing one of these five teams? Rights? Alright? So the
Cleveland the Cleveland Browns. That that is incorrect, That is incorrect,
That is not one of the five one of the five,
that is silly, never lost to the Bengals. Uh, the
Cincinnati Bengals. Cincinnati for Brady Quinn. That is incorrect. Never
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lost to what only leads thirty nine more teams. I mean,
at some point I'll just give these away because I
don't want you know, you know, eat up valuable air.
It more difficult than thoughts. Definitely, Mimi like one of them.
One of them is pretty obvious because he hasn't played
them all yet. No, the Jefs, No, yeah, he's lost
to the Jeff Yeah, so he lost. The Patricia beat
(27:27):
him like the firste. No, he's he's lost. I don't care. Listen,
tell us what a terrible game. We'll listen. One of
these is pretty obvious. He just played him for the
first time. Is an obvious Jonas who did he play
for the first time last year in his entire career?
New England? Yes, that's New England's one of them. I
hear the other four that Tom took them out of it.
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I said, teens, you didn't hear me say that. You
should have said, no, LaVar, it's thirty, Thomas, it's thirty.
Tom Brady never lost to the Buccaneers. Okay, he never
lost to the Cowboys. He never lost to the Vikings,
and he never lost to the Atlanta Falcons. So it's
all NFC teams. It's such cheap. Because that's so cheap.
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He barely played some time. He's played like there were
he played at the Falcons ten times. There was enough.
I don't have to tell you guys, all right, I'm
just you're looking at it. Don't act like you're judging us.
You're looking at the answers. By the way, speaking making bards,
speaking of Harry Carrey, do you guys see what the
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date is? Did you see what the was that your
Harry carry? Was that Lavarth Harry carry? How do you say?
Jana is backwards? It's to sway too deuces a wild
a sweak of the deuces. That's what Brady's were doing
(28:54):
the last two hours. Rady slot why some of us
got a stomach virus? Virus backwards? Quinn households, Hi, why
(29:15):
why did Lavarus son like you was trying to seduce you.
I don't know. It was like a seductive Harry carrols.
It's like Harry carry after the game. Listen, this is
a serious time, guys, They're serious, all right. It is
(29:36):
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(30:22):
Great Petros Papadegus is with us here on Fox Sports Radio,
the co host of The Petros Some Money Show, Fox
College Football Analysts and congratulations are also in order. His
alma mater USC with the biggest get of the century,
Caleb Williams. I mean, pe this is I mean, you
talk about a momentous occasion for USC football, right, the
biggest coup ever. I think it's good. I mean, I
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don't know where else he was gonna go. We Wisconsin
wasn't the natural fit there for him? Yeah, I mean
he's from Washington, d C. Makes sense. We don't have
a lot of guys that have played in the on
the I mean there's Jonathan Ogden Hall of Famer, just
like LaVar Arrington in the college and pro level, not
(31:10):
the pro one, but still Jonathan Ogden is from Bethesda,
I think. And then there was a great running back
in my day at USC who didn't pan out, you know,
one of those guys that just whose personal life caught
up with him, I guess. But Leonard Greene was one
of the best running backs I ever saw. And uh,
I think he only had one one yard game at USC,
(31:32):
and and and he wasn't there very long. But he
was from d C. And there's a few guys here
and there. But uh, it's it's interesting, you know that
he's all the way from d C. Lincoln dug him
out to get him at Oklahoma. You just heard Eddie say, uh,
in the middle of a lot of lamentation about the
f and commanders. Uh were to USC commanders, would you
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like that? Well? Yeah, Cobra commander. In fact, I cuped
this up for you guys. Hold on, you know you
really family here. Here's Cobra Commander. Ever think it says
on YouTube that, yeah, that sounds pretty right. I mean
(32:18):
it's like four minutes where I just do this and
there's Destro. Is it? Dan Snyder? Yes, Deathstro had a
dope voice. Cobra Commander had one of the most irritant
type voices ever. It was irritating, super bad, super bad,
like get under your skin type type. I've a big
fan of Cobra commanders, so I like the name change
(32:40):
now as far as well, he's Cobra command Neither did Destro,
but that's because his face was badly burned. Uh, g
I Joe everyone by the way, Yeah you don't know
about g I Joe Brady. I used to play with
Join I was it. I haven't really gotten into a
(33:01):
since then. You're right. Yeah, Well, when they put the
cartoon back out for free on YouTube during the pandemic,
let's just say that I reconnected. That was before that
was before school every day right or after. Joe. Well,
ThunderCats was American hero finding the Cobra pos. ThunderCats was
(33:26):
so phallic though, you know, with the growing sword just
like thunder and a gunderger ThunderCats. I got a little
and it was like, all right, So so you're said
his sword kept growing and then he called for the hose.
Is what's that's what you're saying. Okay, I say all that,
all right, although I did think I saw Lionel in
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that video. Every other city we go, every other can
I throw this one out at you. That's why we're
on the topic of d C and Caleb coming out here.
I'm gonna play some go go yeah. Shouts out to
the backyard bench, shout yeah, all right, you know, shouts
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out to Chuck obviously, Uncle Chuck, you know, the father
of it. Well he's not here anymore. Uh, sugar Beer
and all them, so listen, um uh. It is a
hot bit of talent in in d C and the
DNB all go to a Penn State or marriage. Okay,
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but now you get Caleb to come to USC. Do
you feel as though there might be a push to
get more players from the area A d C A
d C exodus. I mean, I won't say that large.
I mean that's going to be difficult to beat Larry
Johnson at Ohio State or Frank at at Penn State
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or even locks at at Maryland. Yeah, I mean, there's
just it's the same thing. Been out to l A
and trying to get a guy or what you do.
See a lot of West Coast guys go east, you do,
and but how many of them are you gonna get
if you concentrate on the area, Like how how you're
flying all the way across the country. You're spending a
(35:16):
bunch of time in l A. Let's say you targeted
ten guys, like a volume shooter at the club, you
targeted ten girls. He only wants one, right, But if
you're targeting ten recruits in an area and flying across
the country constantly, you know, and amid the other responsibilities
you have, you know, because that's college football coaching, and
you only get one out of ten and then the
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other nine went to Lincoln Riley. Maybe it's not the
best ratio, but you I mean, of course, I mean
I remember, Uh, different guys come from different schools that
had a connection with USC back in the day, and
it would be celebrated, uh in the newspaper and stuff
when that kind of thing was more relevant. So it
could start a d C exodus and if it does
(36:01):
you will be the first to get credit. The one
thing that interests me really about Caleb Williams, like you said,
he's only played the seven games, but he's a good
looking kid at six, He's got like a running backs
body in some ways. He stands tall and throws the
ball beautifully. But Lincoln Riley's gonna call quarterback run, you know,
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he does that. He just he called it when Baker
Mayfield was the quarterback, and that really is an equalizer
and it's a it's a it's a confident way to
call plays. Now. Obviously, I think if he had a
different quarterback, like the kid at Los Alamidos High School
that's committed to USC, what's his name, Malachi and litt Nelson, Uh,
(36:45):
he might be a little bit different. I mean, he's
obviously adapts to different players Kyler and all this. But
the one thing that concerns me about USC and I
think they're gonna win ten eleven games a year now
that they've kind of flipped uh the field on on
the West Coast, They're gonna be relevant. Brady and his
crew is going to do the big nude out there.
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There's gonna be a lot of celebration of the team
and they're gonna win Tevin ten eleven games. Have they
addressed the line of scrimmage and defense to where they
need to? I don't know. I don't you know. I
I not, certainly not in the media like they have
with all these skilled position guys. And are they gonna
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be able to push the Alabama's and people's like that
off the ball when they get in those games. I
don't know if and when that will happen, but this
is certainly all very positive for my alma mater. I
was gonna ask you that because you get the sense
that you know they're they're getting, you know, getting all
these recruits to take bringing some guys from Oklahoma, which
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I guess it begs this question. Do you feel like
there's an ethical issue with some of the players that
left Oklahoma and came to us see an I'm not
saying the Southern cow and linking Riley or the only
school doing this, but did you feel like there's like
an ethical issue right now in regards to the transfer
portal and how this is all working out in regards
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to the transfer portal. This is the ethical issue that
bothers me and I don't blame any kid for going
anywhere at this point, at this time. If anybody's willing
to pick up stakes and you know, get out of
their girlfriend's bed and go to another school, good for you.
I couldn't. I couldn't have done it in college my
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face right. Wait wait wait, wait, what did you say?
I was up in there like my coach John robertson
contest stuff, stand by me. Yeah, it was like Richard Nixon. Anyway,
(38:57):
that's a lot. You left cow you went to Yeah,
I left because she was back here, came down three
way with no that turns out no. But anyway, The
point is, I don't mind the Here's what ethically bothers
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me about it is what about all these kids that
we've been just piping up for no reason at USC
for the last three years. Every recruit that signs like
oh this guy, and these guys are getting discarded like trash,
Like you know, Lincoln Riley hasn't talked to each and
every one of these guys. Maybe he has, I don't know,
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but just that and the people just acting like the
last dozen years of absolute chaos and ineptitude and the
ruining of people's careers for twelve years at USC didn't happen,
Like all that's erased before Lincoln Riley's team e and
takes the field. And I gotta be honest, I'm not
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that willing to let it go. I think all of
this stuff is great for USC football. I think it's
even better for the West Coast and the rest of
us in the Pack twelve. For when Washington State plays USC,
that might be a big moon game, right, Like, there's
gonna be a lot of attention on this team and
this school again, and we need that on the West Coast.
(40:25):
We need that for the new Pack twelve TV deal.
Anybody that denied it is probably living in Eugene and
they're wrong. So that's all great stuff, But the last
twelve years have almost ruined West Coast college football in
the Pac twelve. And certainly it's just been awful to
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cover and to have to sit there and talk about it.
And I'm one of the only people that's actually been
true to myself about it in a lot of ways,
I think, and I'm not willing to let go of
the last dozen years have people being screwed over because
the transport portal is like a slot machine right now,
you know, let him take the field and win the
conference and we'll say great, you know, look what they did.
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But right now, a that does that, does this make
them the favorite in the pack? Now? Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
But you know, like it's just the same thing, LaVar,
Like what I was saying earlier, like when they get
in the game was like Cincinnati when they got to
the championship this year, and Washington when Jake Browning was
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a QB and they got to the championship. And just
over the years, these teams that have gotten in, they
get in the trenches with Alabama and the Georgias of
the world are Clemson and they can't push him off
the ball and they and I hate to say be
so simplistic on such a complex sports Showy said it earlier,
but home but you know, they just can't do it.
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One of the only places that's been able to develop
great offensive line over generations of football is Wisconsin on
the West coast, is US is usc and the day
back in the day for certain well, yeah, Anthony Mooney
and they were all people from California, you know, Anthony
Muno's Bruce Matthews, Uh, Brad, Buddy uh Yerry ron Yerry.
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I mean it goes on and on, and they were
all developed players here and then the Pete Carroll era
they did the same thing. The Khalil Brothers, Sat Baker
people like that. Uh, they had a great thing going.
So if they can recreate that, I think they'll be
in great shape. But as Lincoln Riley the coach that
he is willing to do that, I think he I
think maybe, yeah, maybe more than people. Yeah from rev
(42:42):
High red Land East Valley. I think maybe he's willing
to do it more than people think he is. But
I still think that they have to really address the
line of scrimmage before. You know, before I hired the
tuba player to come and play everywhere I walk around.
Get him on Twitter at the old p Petro's papadgis uh.
(43:04):
You hear him on a M five seventy l A
Sports by the way, phenomenal interview with Eric Weddo yesterday
with you and Matt mney Smith. That was good stuff
him talking about how he was you know, first game
he was really really involved in and he was pretty
sore and banged up afterwards. I know that, Uh, he said,
I feel okay till this morning. A morning. That's rus.
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I want to know what's gonna happen now with rap
probably coming back and and Fuller and Nick Scott. It's like,
I know he led him in tackles, but does he
expect to start and plays. I mean, he'll get out there,
he's I mean, he's Matt asked me, why, uh, you
guys gotta go, don't you know? Matt asked me why
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why I thought that, you know, he could just come
off the because obviously coming out of two years of
retirement and playing at that level, this it's an unbelievable story.
And it's because he's one of those there's like a
handful that I've seen over the years. I played with
Troy Polamalu, who was one of those guys for sure,
(44:07):
but just an instinctual safety that's two steps ahead of
everybody anyway, and he just he knows where to go.
And they probably play him on the boundary now, and
he just he's he can play. His body got a
little beat up because he had a lot of tackles,
but it's just because he relies on his instincts and
(44:27):
he knows where where everything's going anyway, and there's only
a few people like that Ed Reid was that way.
You know, you could be big, strong and fast and
physical and still be an absolute fart in the whirlwind
back there. You know. It's it's very it's a very
very difficult position. And these guys kind of feel it
(44:50):
like improvisational jazz guys and they're just there when and
they and they align up everybody else. So he's an
amazing once in a lifetime talent and an absolutely great,
humble guy who's a local here from Alta Loma in California,
Rancho Cucamonga area. Yeah, so God bless him. Yeah, he's
(45:10):
a good dude. It is Petro's Papadakis uh Fox College
Football Analyst Day in five seventy l A Sports, the
co host of The Petros and Money Show. Get him
on Twitter at the old p Petro's always fun man.
Let's do it again next week super Bowl week, Baby,
your time a year. Look up Destro's origin story. They're
not going to make a movie about it or what origin. Okay,
(45:37):
that Destro's had sex, you think? So I like that
when somebody says, like you know that that girl she
has sex, it's like, well, most people do filter filter
non existent alright, I love it. We will do it
(45:58):
again next week. One more F bombs. When I'm off here,
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