March 16, 2022 • 38 mins
On Wednesday's 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brady created a monster by getting his daughter into brackets. Baker's situation in Cleveland gets even more awkward. Kyrie goes off for 60 points in his return to the court. The guys try to make sense of the power Deshaun Watson wields after sitting for a year. Plus, tough luck for the sportsbooks after a bettor wagered huge futures on the Bucs before Tom Brady's return.
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox. Coming up on this
Wednesday edition, we have got an awkward situation in the
NFL involving the Cleveland Browns and their starting quarterback Baker Mayfield.
We will discuss the latest on the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes.
We've got another team that is now in the hunt.
A very bizarre situation in the NBA that continues to
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get more strange. What was the deal with Randy Gregory
and the Dallas Cowboys, some contract dispute that led to
him signing elsewhere. We've seen this before, and the great
Petros Papadakis stops by. All of it is caught up
next year. Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on
a Wednesday, Fox Sports Radio. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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We got the drama building in an already busy NFL offseason.
We will get to all of that coming up here,
just a couple of moments from now. It's two Pros
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Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here on FS are
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to this program. We appreciate you doing so as we
take you all the way up until nine am Eastern times,
six o'clock Pacific here on Fox Sports Radio. Gonna be
a fun one. We get the tournament right around the corner.
We have found out some interesting information about the tournament
when it comes to LaVar Arrington. We will save that
for later on in the show. I just already began
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kind of nixt stop. The playing games are fun to watch.
It's great to see teams were not aware of young
men out there, you know, doing their best to try
to have a shot of play to one seed and
getting their doors kicked out. See, I'm a Notre Dame guy.
So the tournament for me starts tonight. I don't know
what you what you're rooting for, but that's the way
I'll put it this way. I filled out of bracket,
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but my oldest daughter was like, Daddy, what are you doing.
I said, I'm doing a bracket. What's a bracket? I
started to explain it to her. One so I go
through it. Honestly, I I just I asked her. I said,
here's the matchup, you know, Gonzaga versus whatever. Sixteen see
their plane. She goes Gonzaga. Okay, cool. I started going through.
She actually made some really good picks, and on her own,
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I didn't I didn't literally say anything else. She started
picking upsets, and then I think she has like San
Francisco making a run. So there you go, they make
a run. You heard it here first. But it got
to the point where I said, okay, do you want
to stay up and watch the first game with dad?
Because she had picked Texas and m Corpus Christie, which
for anyone who watched, got off to a great start,
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then hit some real rolls and obviously lost to Texas Southern.
So I believe Texas Southern was the chance to get
their doors beat in by Kansas. I digress. I made
her into an absolute monster. She has become a maniac.
She's like up and down, screaming, she's cheering, she's excited,
then she's down, she's crying. There the whole there was
just like a mixed bag of emotions. I literally created
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a monster by teaching her about what March madness is
We're are one game into the thing, the game into it,
the country's next great sports better. Yes, there it is.
She's in it. She is locked in and ready to
go absolutely the next great sports better. Hey, you know
what they were walking to the club, all right, I
think I lost my first thirty. So she's got a
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ways to go. But good for her. She didn't take Indiana.
She didn't take Indiana though, So listen that it's it's
not all bad we you know, I mean back that
we were talking, uh, you know, the kind of reminiscing
before the show, LaVar and I about the good old
days when you would fill it out by hand. You know.
I'm just saying like, yeah, listen, I'm gonna I don't
know about you guys, but I'm also going to do one.
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I did one obviously for our Fox Sports Radio dot
Com bracket challenge, but I'm going to do one by hand,
just because you don't want to feel like it's going
to I'm not putting anybody off the front street. I'm
just saying this is the way I operate, right. I
don't have any daughters stories about about brackets, you know.
They they barely talk to me. These days, they do
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their own thing. But I will say the only way
I do brackets is by writing them the names in.
I mean, that's just that's just what feels right to me.
I was telling Jonas Brady, I'm like, you know, I
know I have a good time with you guys, but
you know, I'm an old man. Like you know, we
have fun like we're young, but you know I'm quite
I'm aging, so you know, I do things the old
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school way. There's nothing wrong with old school though. Like
sometimes I put my my wallet in my sock, you know,
stuff like that. I still do old people's stuff. Man,
I appreciate that. So do you wear like white tube
socks with with with black shoes like you know sometimes
like yes, therapeutic shoes. Yes, he wears one at a
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time from what I hear. Uh, but again I don't
know where. But it's never too early for a crank joke,
that's all. That's not what I meant. Listen, I was
talking to, you know, just to you know, hold me
the clown, you know, that was what I was referring to.
Just figured i'd take it light this morning because I
got dumped so quickly yesterday. You know, I figured i'd
be a good guy today. That's two days, I think, right,
it's been two bass You've been getting dumped, Yeah, I
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mean yeah, I guess I've come in say Patty's week.
You're not the only person who feels like they're getting dumped.
This is their quarterback in the NFL. And that transition, Yeah,
that's how you transition. You'd like to thank everyone that
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has supported Brady Quinn, that amazing transition. Yeah, to all
the people out there that believed in me. A tear
in my eye. Oh god, if I would have known
years ago, he would have gotten so good that he
would just veer off into this conversation like that smooth
operator Quinn. Yeah, and to the point, and um, listen,
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Baker Mayfield. We talked yesterday about the rumors and this
was early on that the Cleveland Browns are going to
be meeting with Deshaun Watson, and um, you know, we
weren't even sure whether or not that was legitimate or true.
It was true, it was legitimate, so so credit to
Aaron Wilson who was the first one to report on that.
And then um, once that got out, you started to
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hear other things come out like Mary Kay Cabot, who
has had a back and forth contentious relationship with Baker Mayfield,
who reported that the Houston Texans don't want Baker Mayfield.
If that was going to be a part of a trade,
the Texans are like, yeah, we're not really interested. We'd
rather have a bunch of picks. So Baker Mayfield took
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to social media. Uh, he took to his Twitter, he
took to his to his Instagram. Uh, to give a
thank you to the city of Cleveland. Uh. You know,
things like this. The past four years have been nothing
short of truly life changing since I heard my name
being called in the draft to go to Cleveland. Went
on to talk about the memories that he made with
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his family, and he said with you knows it's no
you not by any means a goodbye or anything like that.
Don't don't read anything into it, but just sort of
a here's where we are, Aaron Rodgers appreciation. There's some
uncertainty appreciation tweet. Yeah, there's some uncertainty. But before all
of this plays out, I just want you to know
from my heart, I appreciate the city of Cleveland, and
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we see what happens from here to to summon up
so um not a not in a non awkward situation
there in Cleveland between Baker Mayfield and the brown So
was a drastic turnaround from what he was saying about
the fan base when he was playing through the season.
Hurt Um. He was not singing this tune then, And boy,
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how how things have changed. Remember when Mary Kay Cabot
came out with the report that because the Browns weren't
getting a long term extension done, and Baker Mayfield fired back,
and he was upset and he was frustrated about it.
And the reality is Mary Kay Cabot has been an insider,
if you will, a local reporter there for decades, and
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she is has dialed and is anyone else early in
Baker's career or she was doing more favorable reporting when
maybe some other people weren't. There was another, you know,
local beat guy who had a contentious relationship with Baker
and Tony Grossy that was well documented and and the
interesting thing about it is, you know, Baker turned on
Mary Kay Cabot when she was one of his biggest supporters.
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So look, it's not surprising that she would come out
with the report that the Texans don't want Baker. As
I said yesterday, I got a sense from someone I
talked to in Houston that they really like Davis Mills.
They do, and they want to see maybe where this
thing goes as they build out around him. You know,
Nikissario sees him more along the lights of a guy
like Tom Brady, not necessarily saying he's Tom Brady, but
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a guy who didn't play much at Stanford, was banged up,
was dealing with some other issues, and they feel like
with his intelligence, the way he plays the game, his
his overall abilities, he was one of the top recruits
coming out of high school in into college. They feel
like he's got a lot of that still in him.
So they feel like there's value there um in regards
to Mayfield, though, It's just it's interesting how everything's changed
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over the course of the past three months, right, or
maybe four or five now if you include the season
where he was upset about people taking shots at him
and upset with maybe the organization not giving him that
long term deal or you know, getting into those discussions.
And now it's like he's just appreciative to to be
there because he doesn't know where he's gonna be thrown two. Next,
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if the Texans don't want him, and then we look
at the other teams that are out there, there's a
chance he ends up somewhere else completely. Now, I think
the most interesting spot for him would be the New
Orleans Saints because I remember when he was coming out,
if you were to ask me to give him a
comp my comp for him, even though it's a different
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throwing motion, but given his size, given his kind of
pocket play, how accurate he was at Oklahoma, I was like, oh,
I kind of reminds me of Drew Brees, and so
it would be interesting to see if he didn't find
his way down to that team that roster. I know
it's not Sean Payton, it's Dennis Allen now, but if
the if the Saints don't get Deshaun Watson and ends
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up being the Browns, or even of ends up being
someone else, you get the sense that maybe the Browns
just want to move on in general, and maybe that's
what they've communicated, or if they haven't, maybe they have
basically by saying, we're already looking at your replacement now,
and whether it's Deshaun Watson or not, maybe we'd move
on from you now because of what you've said in
regards to not getting a long term contract in the
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prior months. See, I would love to say what Baker
did is a very passive aggressive approach, which by by
definition it was passive aggressive. But I will I will
also add to this warranted, warranted. Even though we understand
the business is the business. I think at some point
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fans have got to understand that the business of sport
goes both ways. You can't be supportive of of a
team handling their business but not a player. Now, I
wonder what that being said, what is Baker mayfield next
course of action? You gotta believe he's got his agent
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active right now because you're heading into free agency. That's
a small window of time. Like the dominoes have already
fallen with with the first two quarterbacks. All right, A
Rod goes back, Rust goes to Denver. So you've already
had things getting getting started, getting underway. You're seeing guys
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Randy Gregory now he's in Denver. So they're building a
super team in football in Denver right now. Um, Tampa
Bay filled a spot obviously, and why would have be
such a bad thing for him to go down there?
Grant he's under construct for for his fifth year for
eighteen millions something like that. But if you could figure
out a way of doing an extension there, and if
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Arians does truly believe because there was this rumor that
Arians really liked Baker Mayfield when he's coming out in
the draft and and and go, it's like, go and
sit behind him for a year and maybe see what happened.
There is no shame in sitting and learning from Tom
Brady and and getting building a rapport with with Byron Leftwidge.
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And if Bruce Arians decides to continue to stay to
build a relationship with I mean, they're the same type
of guy Arians and and Baker Mayfield, real spunky type
of dudes, you know. And what I do know is,
and we we kind of alluded to this yesterday. The
relationship may have already had cracks in Cleveland between Front
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Office and Baker Mayfield. But if they were cracks before,
there's there there there, it's complete fractures now. So you
gotta believe at this point, what is Baker Mayfield's agent
going to do to combat or to address or handle
this scenario, Because in a way, Baker is actually in
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a favorable situation a favorable position if they leverage this
thing the right way. But it's going to take some
some methodical movement to do it the right way. Give
Mary Kay Cabot credit, by the way, she doubled down
when he came out and and ran his mouth and
said no, no, no, this is bs and came out strong.
She doubled down, has been and has been saying the
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whole time that Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski haven't been
seen ey'd eye, that he criticized the offense publicly a
couple of times last year. And so I mean when
everyone wanted to say, including Baker Mayfield, no, no, there's
nothing to it, uh, you know. And I think it
was who was the other quarterback, Brandon Weed and who
came out and said, oh yeah, she tried to pull
the same thing with me. She's stuck to her guns
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and said, no, I'm telling you this is true. I am,
I am, I reporting on this is accurate, and uh
and here we are. So yeah, because she heard directly
from his camp. There are times when the stuff that
was she was reporting on, You're like, all right, it
could only have come directly from this person. So I
I was acent in her camp on that in regards
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to what she was reporting. It's not it's thought that
wasn't sticking up for a you know, another Brown's quarterback.
It's the fact that I knew exactly where all that
stuff was coming from, and he was upset that it
got out, you know, similar to Tom Brady's dad blaming
the media for why he retired for two months. But
you guys, if you guys maybe want to take from
an Ohio and maybe from a Cleveland Browns fan, because
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I've got that's the thing about Ohio and and LaVar
knows this Pennsylvania too. There's a lot of hard working people.
There's a lot of people who are already up, already
working there listening to us right now. One of my
buddies got up early today. First thing he asked me
was like, Hey, are you guys gonna break down this
Baker you know, Mayfield letter to the Cleveland you know
Browns fans. I said, you bet we are, Buddy, I go,
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what's your take on it? You've got a better feel
for it, you know, you got your your hand on
the pulse of what's happening that the Browns and uh.
His response was Baker is the worst. They kind of
turned on him and uh, he's not that guy. He's
not that guy. Not that he's not that guy. This happens,
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this happens to be a Polish pal of mine. Then
it kind of sounds like Pittsburgh. It does, but they
got a little more of that to a yeah, yeah,
that sounded Pittsburgh. That's why we hate each other, but
we love each other. Does look kind of the same.
Do you have a really long last name? Well it
ends in Ski. But his his question was, and he goes,
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is he that guy if he needs a little elite receiver?
He's like, what else does he need? And I said, okay.
I was like, all right, I get the you're making.
I said, I'm not trying to, you know, counter you.
I'm just asking, you know, I'm asking how you feel
about all this? Just started talking like you know, when
he was talking, I did. It was like I felt
like it was like when you go to Jamaica for
the first time. Everyone's like hey, You're like hey, mad,
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You're like, wait, why am I talking like that? This
is this guy, this Cleveland Browns fan of Polish descent.
Is he the same guy who happened to Uh have
the real innovative idea of when you are drunk and
you need to use the restroom, you just sit backwards.
That is the way you can. That is what I
like to call I like to call polish engineering. When
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when you drink too much and you have the opportunity
with to sit on a toilet that has you know,
obviously a back to it, right if the field there
in the back. Instead of sitting on it the normal way,
you sit on it backwards so you can rest on
top of the toilet in the event that you pass out.
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Great stories ever told. His final comment to me was, uh,
he goes, I don't know about Watson, but it seems
like he's better than bicker Mayfield in every way. I
don't know. It does just like and I got a
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sneaky suspicion he probably picked Kentucky to win the tournament. Correct.
I'm assuming that's probably That's probably the pick he made.
This particular individual, he would not do that because he's
the type that wants to be pleasantly surprised, so he
would he would rather pick him losing in the elite eight,
and then it feels like it plays a factor in
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Harrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knocks. Did you here on
fs ARE? Guys know who looked really really good last
night in the NBA? Who is that Kyrie Irving? Yeah?
And in the first half it's weird though, I mean
he like he's almost like he looked like healthy, but
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he's not vaccinated. It's almost like, yeah, it's not Yeah, sorry,
the game was in Orlando. He's not he's not vaccinated.
I don't get it, like it's uh, it's it's weird.
And then I saw something to where, um, Major League
Baseball there was this thing where any players in New
York U may have to miss time they're not vaccinated.
But on the crawl it's said, uh, but it may
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be resolved by opening day. All you think like like
you think, aren't the Brooklyn Nets in a position for
the playoffs? Uh? Yeah, I think their plan they're they're
like the first plan team, right, Yeah, I think they're
gonna mess around and win. Well, well, my comment is,
wouldn't you think if you're the Nets, you'd be doing
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all you can to try to make sure you could
get Kyrie Irving to be able to play in the
home playoff games? Yes? And uh yeah, so they are
three and lobbying the city as hard as possible. But
are you serious one of the best players in the NBA.
Who was that that came out and said you could
come to Houston? Oh it was was it Ted Cruise?
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The politician? Yeah? Who said uh yeah, come to Houston.
So he used that as a way to recruit him
to the Houston Rockets. So that's that's fun. Super Flash
Snooka was my favorite growing up, and Ricky the Steamboat.
By the way, I just thought a crowbar that in
there because we're watching the documentary of on Ray to
Giant on on one of the TVs. Brady, were you
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a bit were you like did you get like the like,
do you guys remember the thumb wrestling deals, like the
thumb wrestling dolls that that were like, and you you
like put them on the wrestler on your thumb and
your dumb wrestle with the rest. Just I'm just like reliving,
you know. I told you guys, I'm over yesterday thling
thumb wrestling with WWF you know. Superstars though, by the way,
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I still remember how much those were. They were seven
for a pack broke, they were a vibe and they
were at CBS. And I remember this because there was
a CBS in the Thousand Oaks small growing up, and
I remember walking in there and seeing them and going,
oh man, these are so cool and then seeing the
price and going, well wait, it was Children's Palace where
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I was like when I was growing up. I don't
know if those were everywhere, but Children's Palace and Toys
r Us were like that was the place. Like the
Children's Palace was like the original though. Do you go
in there and it's like man KB toys heard of
the Children's Palace to Children's Palace And when we would
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do it, you know I would. I was set up
like little tournaments, little thumb wrestling tournaments, and every once
in a while you had like three or four dudes
that try to enter the tournament, like it's like a
quarter entry and and and they come in and they're like,
what are you doing? You can't you gotta have a wrestler.
You can't use your thumb. Get out of here. You can't.
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You can't be a part of the tournament. I don't
have a superstar. Where's you wrong with you? Where's your weapon?
We were thumb shaming people like you don't have you
don't have to beat it, bro, like go thumb wrestling
with the regular thumb wrestler? Can I teach you a
thumb wrestling trick? All right? So if your thumb wrestling
somebody and you want to, you want to ensure victory
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every time. Kick him in the balls. Writers, you're doing
it like it, just like you know, a little diversionary tactic.
You can poke them in the eyes too, But I would,
you know, I would said it so seriously though, But yeah,
that's the move. That's the move. But now you're not.
Now you're not thumb wrestling anymore. Now you gotta wrestle
for real. Well, now you're actually what if you can't
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beat them? Listen, It's like Brady always says, my plans
are on surface level, make a lot of sense. So
you kick them. You kick them, then you get your
three count, and then you run, which is gone, and
then you've got like ten to twelve seconds before they
can run, before they can breathe them. Jonas has perfected
the art of have you heard of the fight or flight? Yes,
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he does both. He fights for a short time span
where he kicks someone in the nuts and then he flights.
It's actually a very good combination for survival, not getting
paid by the hour. You know, get in, get out,
that's the way operate with everything. Leave that alight. That
wasn't gonna be able to sit there. Somebody grabbing, all right,
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It is two pros and a cup of jail fox
button didn't light up on y us coming up in
we'll call it. Fifteen minutes from now. We might have
another scandal in the NFL. Somebody is trying to kick
the tires on a potential Uh well, let's just put
this away. They're not happy about a big story that's
come out in the past couple of days because it
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might have involved some money. So we'll have that for
you here again. Fifteen minutes from now. Um, you know,
maybe you know, the Atlanta Falcons are sitting around going
so hold on a second. Tom Brady's back. The Carolina
Panthers have met with Deshaun Watson. The Saints have met
with Deshaun Watson. Well, we better do something. We still
got Matt Ryan. We were structured as deal. So the
Atlanta Falcons step right up. Now. Deshaun Watson is from
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the state of Georgia. Uh so, apparently it is everybody
not named the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Cleveland in
the NFC South, and the Cleveland Browns who all of
a sudden have interest in Deshaun Watson now that the
the legal portion of his issues have settled up. A bit.
So there's that ahead. I was gonna say, it's like
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poking your head out. It's it's like one person pokes
their head out. It's like, oh wow, nothing happened. Nothing, Yeah,
nothing happened. Okayleb let me get a little bit further
out and get my body out like, oh wait, nothing happened.
All right? Then let me let me let me come
a little bit further out. Now I'm all the way out,
I'm standing there and not in my hole at all.
I'm I'm exposed. Um whoa, nothing happened. So you know
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what happens. You look back in the hole and you know,
coast is Claire. Everyone it's good. And you start seeing
everybody else come up out of the hole and they
don't even worry about poking their head out and making
sure it's safe, because the first ones that went out
there made sure that well, they would have took whatever
the danger was that came their way if they got
their head knocked off. Nobody else is coming out of
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that hole. Doesn't seem like there has been any real
backlash or any type of craziness surrounding the Shaun Watson
and and so now you're starting to see what I
kind of thought would happen, and probably what maybe mu
Leghetta and you know, the representation of Deshaun Watson hoped
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for is that this situation is is an open situation
for him to leverage as much as possible, because there
are going to be more teams interested in him than
maybe what originally had been thought or anticipated. Well, he
had a short list that he was only willing to
go to, you know, three teams or something like that
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a year ago. Now that's since changed. There might be
more interested parties, but that doesn't necessarily mean that those
are his you know, great a choices where he'd liked
to guy. I think the most interesting part about Atlanta
and Cleveland, who got involved both in the process yesterday
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in their due diligence, is New Orleans and Carolina were
the first. They were the first to publicly put it
out there, make it known they're kicking the tires and
all this. I mean, Carolina has been the entire time,
even when Deshaun Watson didn't want to go there, they
were still public in ways or reports came out that
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they were interested. It's almost as if Atlanta and Cleveland,
because Atlanta has Matt Ryan Cleveland has Baker Mayfield. They
were a little more hesitant where they didn't want to
be the one of those first teams coming out and saying, yeah,
we're in on this too. They wanted to wait and
see how the Saints and the Panthers were perceived. And
once the criminal charges were dropped. And obviously Deshaun Watson,
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who you know, played the fifth I believe yesterday in
regards to his desk deposition, which he was advised to
by his attorney. Most people are in that position. Um
once he you know, played the fifth to that, and
there's not much more out there. I think you're looking
at people saying, Okay, we feel comfortable enough and now
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to make it public that were interested and then we've
got to figure out this civil portion of it it.
Are we going to have to deal with this when
you get here or are you gonna settle because we've
we've already talked to the Texans, We've already given them
our draft compensation, our trade proposal, which is obviously why
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these four teams are talking with Deshan. That was one
of the more interesting things that came out last night
was the fact that they're all I mean they're all
talking under the guys of we've got a trade in
hand with Houston right now. Now, it could vary depending
on each team, but that now it comes down to
the team and how comfortable they feel with Watson with
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where he's at, but also how these settlements are gonna
work out, which I assume that's what is going to
happen here in the coming weeks in order to satisfy
any team that's willing to trade for Deshaun Watson. It's uh,
the whole situation is fascinating. I can't recall another situation
in the NFL ever like this where a guy goes
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through all the legal issues in US of two and
then all of sudden gets to pick where he plays
football next, like like he went from potentially losing, like
he he went from losing his career to nah, I
don't think I want to play for you. No, no,
only you can talk to me now. Like And it's
not like he's innocent of that. Nothing happened here. It's
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just that you know, they didn't find enough, you know,
criminal evidence to charge him on the criminal side of things.
It's just I don't recall this ever happening ever before
where this guy has this much power coming off the
year that he just had and not playing the entire
season last year. It's a bizarre There are interesting twists
and turns to connected to this, this Deshaun Watson's story
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that that is for certain. But make no mistake about it,
there have been a lot of interesting scenarios that have
played out in terms of personal conduct and whether you
were guilty innocent and you know, innocent until proven guilty
or what or whatever. You I mean, you could go
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back to two thousand and think about it. I know,
you could go back to that super Bowl that took
places in Atlanta and then the very next year the
guys the m v P of the Super Bowl and
the Super Bowl Champion. Like, there have been plenty of
stories that have been uh, very very provocative and and
and polarizing figures and and pieces of of things that
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have come out during the history of of this game.
But I'll say this, this is a very intriguing scenario
in situation with Deshaun Watson, because you know, you start
to ask yourself in terms of public opinion or even
as it applies to you know, what what's still to
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come with the civil suits that that may take place, Um,
is there still the chance that something surfaces that, Like,
you gotta believe that there are some people that are
very well, You gotta know that there are people that
are very, very very upset looking at Deshaun Watson being
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in the situation, in the scenario that he's in, and
and you just start to ask yourself, is there anything
that could possibly derail what seemingly now becomes a much
smoother approach to to his next phase of his career.
That's to me, that's what's in my mind. That's what's
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kind of percolating with me, is that there's somebody out
there They're like, nah na, no, no, no, he's not Nope,
I ain't gonna let that. It's not gonna slide. I'm
not gonna let that go that way. And I just
wonder how much how far that may go. I think
it's gonna be interesting to see when there is a settlement,
because there there will be what sort of language is
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within it. If there is a nondisclosure agreement. It was
rumored that Deshaun Watson didn't want it because he will
have to talk about it with whatever team he goes
to play two next and he wanted to be able
to clear his name. Again, not a legal expert in anyway,
but I would imagine that his attorney wouldn't advise that
only because if then he doesn't have to sign a
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nondisclosure agreement, and if there's the potential that they don't
have to either, right, then they can make what happened
in all the public as well. Now, people might out
there that are legal experts say, well, there's no way
that they would be able to explain their side of
the story and receive a portion of the settlement. But
if you're Tony Busby and you're representing twenty two different
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individuals that are suing for this, and Deshaun Watson can
speak his piece, but you know, you're, you know, the
the the Obviously the victims are alleged victims can't. I
don't know that that's such a free deal. But maybe
he doesn't care at the end of the day, and
maybe they just want to pay out and that's how
they want this thing to proceed. So it's gonna be
interesting to keep an I on that just to see
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to the LaVar's point, like what else could become public? Well,
if if this thing gets settled, but there's no nondisclosure
agreement between both parties and they're both able to speak
their mind and we find out more from that. That's
what could become public and could be interesting. I just
assume everything becomes public. Now. We've seen it so many
examples of well, this was you know, gonna be kept quiet,
Like if you want to go all the way back
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to you know, details from the Kobe Bryant case that
came out, you know, details from like Ben Roethlisberger, like
all these other issues that have popped up. We we
find out ultimately it maybe a few years down the road,
the Tom Brady deflate gate stuff. It was a few
years down the road. We found out details that we
didn't know at the time. So I just assume something's
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You guys. One Las Vegas sports book is calling for
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tried to make multiple ten dollar wagers on the Bucks
to win the Super Bowl at thirty two one odds
last week on Thursday. He wasn't able to get that
that big bet in. He was able to get it
in at the number of sports books at different odo
one and thirty one. Good for him. Yeah, yeah, tough
balls Westgate. That's who you're talking about. It's the Westgate
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casino or book or whatever. Correct tough balls, All right,
everything's about if you have information, are you supposed to
wait until they figure out what the line is and
then place the bet. It was like that casino during
when Japanese baseball was going on. They didn't they didn't
update the live odds and because they didn't realize the
game had already started. So some betters were hanging out
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in the casino and realized they haven't updated this yet.
We know what's happening. We're like six innings in and
started placing wagers. You can't go back and tell those
guys I'd like my money back because you screwed up.
I'm sorry. It was priced strong. Go to any store
they give you the wrong price and you go to
the cash register, they should honor the price. Tough balls. Sorry,
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it's a great story too. Yeah, remember you're telling that
about eight times. That's good. That was necessary. So you
are a part of that. No, I wish I was.
I wouldn't have told it on the air though. Now.
The funny thing is is you've used it as a
reference a lot and you have a better story all
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this from your Super Bowl it because they didn't word
it properly, and based on how things played out, you
ended up getting your money back from a bet. That's
actually a better or more useful example. I think this
one right. Well, yeah, hey, when's that show on Saturday?
As you do? It's seven and nine at specific time.
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What's it's called? The Jonas notion could think of another thing.
You couldn't think of another name. The reality is, you know,
gamblers can be upset with the result after the fact.
In this particular case, it's a future's bet, and I
understand they feel like this guy had insider information before
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they could adjust the lines. Guess what, you don't have
to put him out there like that is totally on
you as the book. If you can't get the best
information or you don't have the sharpest lines, that's on you.
You're the one placing bets on odds to win the
super Bowl, the conference championship, and we're in March. Think
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about that for example, Like you're complaining about a problem
that you created for yourself because you want have taken
all this money throughout the course of the year for
the NFL season. Like, look in the mirror, and they're
just all these books and casinos. Look in the mirror.
You're the ones taking the bets. They're your lines. If
they're not sharp, that's on you, it's not on the individual. Yeah,
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they're just pissed they didn't have the information, that's all
this is. And they're pissed that it looks like somebody
got the one up on them. I just I I
totally agree that. The fact that you're going to complain
about it after the fact and then try and try
and make sure that these bets don't go through, that's ridiculous.
I mean, what are we talking about here? This is
this is the way this works. All that insider information
from time to time. Remember when Kawai Leonard was on
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the verge of getting traded from San Antonio, Toronto was
nowhere to be found. Nobody talked about Toronto, and all
of a sudden they became the betting favorite overnight, and
people are like, well, that's kind of strange. It's same
thing when Baker Mayfield and the Heisman kind La Marie
the Heisman, all of a sudden the odds changed one
weekend because somebody had information. That's the way this works. Yeah,
setting people straight here and gambling boll I tell you,
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it's fun, LaVar. You gotta get in on it. Yeah,
y'all stress me out. I get stressed out. It's fun.
I need to take a break. Don't smoke a cigarette.
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for later on in the show. I just already began
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kind of nixt stop. The playing games are fun to watch.
It's great to see teams were not aware of young
men out there, you know, doing their best to try
to have a shot of play to one seed and
getting their doors kicked out. See, I'm a Notre Dame guy.
So the tournament for me starts tonight. I don't know
what you what you're rooting for, but that's the way
I'll put it this way. I filled out of bracket,
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but my oldest daughter was like, Daddy, what are you doing.
I said, I'm doing a bracket. What's a bracket? I
started to explain it to her. One so I go
through it. Honestly, I I just I asked her. I said,
here's the matchup, you know, Gonzaga versus whatever. Sixteen see
their plane. She goes Gonzaga. Okay, cool. I started going through.
She actually made some really good picks, and on her own,
(02:12):
I didn't I didn't literally say anything else. She started
picking upsets, and then I think she has like San
Francisco making a run. So there you go, they make
a run. You heard it here first. But it got
to the point where I said, okay, do you want
to stay up and watch the first game with dad?
Because she had picked Texas and m Corpus Christie, which
for anyone who watched, got off to a great start,
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then hit some real rolls and obviously lost to Texas Southern.
So I believe Texas Southern was the chance to get
their doors beat in by Kansas. I digress. I made
her into an absolute monster. She has become a maniac.
She's like up and down, screaming, she's cheering, she's excited,
then she's down, she's crying. There the whole there was
just like a mixed bag of emotions. I literally created
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a monster by teaching her about what March madness is
We're are one game into the thing, the game into it,
the country's next great sports better. Yes, there it is.
She's in it. She is locked in and ready to
go absolutely the next great sports better. Hey, you know
what they were walking to the club, all right, I
think I lost my first thirty. So she's got a
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ways to go. But good for her. She didn't take Indiana.
She didn't take Indiana though, So listen that it's it's
not all bad we you know, I mean back that
we were talking, uh, you know, the kind of reminiscing
before the show, LaVar and I about the good old
days when you would fill it out by hand. You know.
I'm just saying like, yeah, listen, I'm gonna I don't
know about you guys, but I'm also going to do one.
(03:38):
I did one obviously for our Fox Sports Radio dot
Com bracket challenge, but I'm going to do one by hand,
just because you don't want to feel like it's going
to I'm not putting anybody off the front street. I'm
just saying this is the way I operate, right. I
don't have any daughters stories about about brackets, you know.
They they barely talk to me. These days, they do
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their own thing. But I will say the only way
I do brackets is by writing them the names in.
I mean, that's just that's just what feels right to me.
I was telling Jonas Brady, I'm like, you know, I
know I have a good time with you guys, but
you know, I'm an old man. Like you know, we
have fun like we're young, but you know I'm quite
I'm aging, so you know, I do things the old
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school way. There's nothing wrong with old school though. Like
sometimes I put my my wallet in my sock, you know,
stuff like that. I still do old people's stuff. Man,
I appreciate that. So do you wear like white tube
socks with with with black shoes like you know sometimes
like yes, therapeutic shoes. Yes, he wears one at a
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time from what I hear. Uh, but again I don't
know where. But it's never too early for a crank joke,
that's all. That's not what I meant. Listen, I was
talking to, you know, just to you know, hold me
the clown, you know, that was what I was referring to.
Just figured i'd take it light this morning because I
got dumped so quickly yesterday. You know, I figured i'd
be a good guy today. That's two days, I think, right,
it's been two bass You've been getting dumped, Yeah, I
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mean yeah, I guess I've come in say Patty's week.
You're not the only person who feels like they're getting dumped.
This is their quarterback in the NFL. And that transition, Yeah,
that's how you transition. You'd like to thank everyone that
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has supported Brady Quinn, that amazing transition. Yeah, to all
the people out there that believed in me. A tear
in my eye. Oh god, if I would have known
years ago, he would have gotten so good that he
would just veer off into this conversation like that smooth
operator Quinn. Yeah, and to the point, and um, listen,
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Baker Mayfield. We talked yesterday about the rumors and this
was early on that the Cleveland Browns are going to
be meeting with Deshaun Watson, and um, you know, we
weren't even sure whether or not that was legitimate or true.
It was true, it was legitimate, so so credit to
Aaron Wilson who was the first one to report on that.
And then um, once that got out, you started to
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hear other things come out like Mary Kay Cabot, who
has had a back and forth contentious relationship with Baker Mayfield,
who reported that the Houston Texans don't want Baker Mayfield.
If that was going to be a part of a trade,
the Texans are like, yeah, we're not really interested. We'd
rather have a bunch of picks. So Baker Mayfield took
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to social media. Uh, he took to his Twitter, he
took to his to his Instagram. Uh, to give a
thank you to the city of Cleveland. Uh. You know,
things like this. The past four years have been nothing
short of truly life changing since I heard my name
being called in the draft to go to Cleveland. Went
on to talk about the memories that he made with
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his family, and he said with you knows it's no
you not by any means a goodbye or anything like that.
Don't don't read anything into it, but just sort of
a here's where we are, Aaron Rodgers appreciation. There's some
uncertainty appreciation tweet. Yeah, there's some uncertainty. But before all
of this plays out, I just want you to know
from my heart, I appreciate the city of Cleveland, and
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we see what happens from here to to summon up
so um not a not in a non awkward situation
there in Cleveland between Baker Mayfield and the brown So
was a drastic turnaround from what he was saying about
the fan base when he was playing through the season.
Hurt Um. He was not singing this tune then, And boy,
(07:33):
how how things have changed. Remember when Mary Kay Cabot
came out with the report that because the Browns weren't
getting a long term extension done, and Baker Mayfield fired back,
and he was upset and he was frustrated about it.
And the reality is Mary Kay Cabot has been an insider,
if you will, a local reporter there for decades, and
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she is has dialed and is anyone else early in
Baker's career or she was doing more favorable reporting when
maybe some other people weren't. There was another, you know,
local beat guy who had a contentious relationship with Baker
and Tony Grossy that was well documented and and the
interesting thing about it is, you know, Baker turned on
Mary Kay Cabot when she was one of his biggest supporters.
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So look, it's not surprising that she would come out
with the report that the Texans don't want Baker. As
I said yesterday, I got a sense from someone I
talked to in Houston that they really like Davis Mills.
They do, and they want to see maybe where this
thing goes as they build out around him. You know,
Nikissario sees him more along the lights of a guy
like Tom Brady, not necessarily saying he's Tom Brady, but
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a guy who didn't play much at Stanford, was banged up,
was dealing with some other issues, and they feel like
with his intelligence, the way he plays the game, his
his overall abilities, he was one of the top recruits
coming out of high school in into college. They feel
like he's got a lot of that still in him.
So they feel like there's value there um in regards
to Mayfield, though, It's just it's interesting how everything's changed
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over the course of the past three months, right, or
maybe four or five now if you include the season
where he was upset about people taking shots at him
and upset with maybe the organization not giving him that
long term deal or you know, getting into those discussions.
And now it's like he's just appreciative to to be
there because he doesn't know where he's gonna be thrown two. Next,
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if the Texans don't want him, and then we look
at the other teams that are out there, there's a
chance he ends up somewhere else completely. Now, I think
the most interesting spot for him would be the New
Orleans Saints because I remember when he was coming out,
if you were to ask me to give him a
comp my comp for him, even though it's a different
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throwing motion, but given his size, given his kind of
pocket play, how accurate he was at Oklahoma, I was like, oh,
I kind of reminds me of Drew Brees, and so
it would be interesting to see if he didn't find
his way down to that team that roster. I know
it's not Sean Payton, it's Dennis Allen now, but if
the if the Saints don't get Deshaun Watson and ends
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up being the Browns, or even of ends up being
someone else, you get the sense that maybe the Browns
just want to move on in general, and maybe that's
what they've communicated, or if they haven't, maybe they have
basically by saying, we're already looking at your replacement now,
and whether it's Deshaun Watson or not, maybe we'd move
on from you now because of what you've said in
regards to not getting a long term contract in the
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prior months. See, I would love to say what Baker
did is a very passive aggressive approach, which by by
definition it was passive aggressive. But I will I will
also add to this warranted, warranted. Even though we understand
the business is the business. I think at some point
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fans have got to understand that the business of sport
goes both ways. You can't be supportive of of a
team handling their business but not a player. Now, I
wonder what that being said, what is Baker mayfield next
course of action? You gotta believe he's got his agent
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active right now because you're heading into free agency. That's
a small window of time. Like the dominoes have already
fallen with with the first two quarterbacks. All right, A
Rod goes back, Rust goes to Denver. So you've already
had things getting getting started, getting underway. You're seeing guys
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Randy Gregory now he's in Denver. So they're building a
super team in football in Denver right now. Um, Tampa
Bay filled a spot obviously, and why would have be
such a bad thing for him to go down there?
Grant he's under construct for for his fifth year for
eighteen millions something like that. But if you could figure
out a way of doing an extension there, and if
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Arians does truly believe because there was this rumor that
Arians really liked Baker Mayfield when he's coming out in
the draft and and and go, it's like, go and
sit behind him for a year and maybe see what happened.
There is no shame in sitting and learning from Tom
Brady and and getting building a rapport with with Byron Leftwidge.
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And if Bruce Arians decides to continue to stay to
build a relationship with I mean, they're the same type
of guy Arians and and Baker Mayfield, real spunky type
of dudes, you know. And what I do know is,
and we we kind of alluded to this yesterday. The
relationship may have already had cracks in Cleveland between Front
(12:37):
Office and Baker Mayfield. But if they were cracks before,
there's there there there, it's complete fractures now. So you
gotta believe at this point, what is Baker Mayfield's agent
going to do to combat or to address or handle
this scenario, Because in a way, Baker is actually in
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a favorable situation a favorable position if they leverage this
thing the right way. But it's going to take some
some methodical movement to do it the right way. Give
Mary Kay Cabot credit, by the way, she doubled down
when he came out and and ran his mouth and
said no, no, no, this is bs and came out strong.
She doubled down, has been and has been saying the
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whole time that Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski haven't been
seen ey'd eye, that he criticized the offense publicly a
couple of times last year. And so I mean when
everyone wanted to say, including Baker Mayfield, no, no, there's
nothing to it, uh, you know. And I think it
was who was the other quarterback, Brandon Weed and who
came out and said, oh yeah, she tried to pull
the same thing with me. She's stuck to her guns
(13:44):
and said, no, I'm telling you this is true. I am,
I am, I reporting on this is accurate, and uh
and here we are. So yeah, because she heard directly
from his camp. There are times when the stuff that
was she was reporting on, You're like, all right, it
could only have come directly from this person. So I
I was acent in her camp on that in regards
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to what she was reporting. It's not it's thought that
wasn't sticking up for a you know, another Brown's quarterback.
It's the fact that I knew exactly where all that
stuff was coming from, and he was upset that it
got out, you know, similar to Tom Brady's dad blaming
the media for why he retired for two months. But
you guys, if you guys maybe want to take from
an Ohio and maybe from a Cleveland Browns fan, because
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I've got that's the thing about Ohio and and LaVar
knows this Pennsylvania too. There's a lot of hard working people.
There's a lot of people who are already up, already
working there listening to us right now. One of my
buddies got up early today. First thing he asked me
was like, Hey, are you guys gonna break down this
Baker you know, Mayfield letter to the Cleveland you know
Browns fans. I said, you bet we are, Buddy, I go,
(14:49):
what's your take on it? You've got a better feel
for it, you know, you got your your hand on
the pulse of what's happening that the Browns and uh.
His response was Baker is the worst. They kind of
turned on him and uh, he's not that guy. He's
not that guy. Not that he's not that guy. This happens,
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this happens to be a Polish pal of mine. Then
it kind of sounds like Pittsburgh. It does, but they
got a little more of that to a yeah, yeah,
that sounded Pittsburgh. That's why we hate each other, but
we love each other. Does look kind of the same.
Do you have a really long last name? Well it
ends in Ski. But his his question was, and he goes,
(15:37):
is he that guy if he needs a little elite receiver?
He's like, what else does he need? And I said, okay.
I was like, all right, I get the you're making.
I said, I'm not trying to, you know, counter you.
I'm just asking, you know, I'm asking how you feel
about all this? Just started talking like you know, when
he was talking, I did. It was like I felt
like it was like when you go to Jamaica for
the first time. Everyone's like hey, You're like hey, mad,
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You're like, wait, why am I talking like that? This
is this guy, this Cleveland Browns fan of Polish descent.
Is he the same guy who happened to Uh have
the real innovative idea of when you are drunk and
you need to use the restroom, you just sit backwards.
That is the way you can. That is what I
like to call I like to call polish engineering. When
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when you drink too much and you have the opportunity
with to sit on a toilet that has you know,
obviously a back to it, right if the field there
in the back. Instead of sitting on it the normal way,
you sit on it backwards so you can rest on
top of the toilet in the event that you pass out.
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Great stories ever told. His final comment to me was, uh,
he goes, I don't know about Watson, but it seems
like he's better than bicker Mayfield in every way. I
don't know. It does just like and I got a
(17:07):
sneaky suspicion he probably picked Kentucky to win the tournament. Correct.
I'm assuming that's probably That's probably the pick he made.
This particular individual, he would not do that because he's
the type that wants to be pleasantly surprised, so he
would he would rather pick him losing in the elite eight,
and then it feels like it plays a factor in
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Harrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knocks. Did you here on
fs ARE? Guys know who looked really really good last
night in the NBA? Who is that Kyrie Irving? Yeah?
And in the first half it's weird though, I mean
he like he's almost like he looked like healthy, but
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he's not vaccinated. It's almost like, yeah, it's not Yeah, sorry,
the game was in Orlando. He's not he's not vaccinated.
I don't get it, like it's uh, it's it's weird.
And then I saw something to where, um, Major League
Baseball there was this thing where any players in New
York U may have to miss time they're not vaccinated.
But on the crawl it's said, uh, but it may
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be resolved by opening day. All you think like like
you think, aren't the Brooklyn Nets in a position for
the playoffs? Uh? Yeah, I think their plan they're they're
like the first plan team, right, Yeah, I think they're
gonna mess around and win. Well, well, my comment is,
wouldn't you think if you're the Nets, you'd be doing
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all you can to try to make sure you could
get Kyrie Irving to be able to play in the
home playoff games? Yes? And uh yeah, so they are
three and lobbying the city as hard as possible. But
are you serious one of the best players in the NBA.
Who was that that came out and said you could
come to Houston? Oh it was was it Ted Cruise?
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The politician? Yeah? Who said uh yeah, come to Houston.
So he used that as a way to recruit him
to the Houston Rockets. So that's that's fun. Super Flash
Snooka was my favorite growing up, and Ricky the Steamboat.
By the way, I just thought a crowbar that in
there because we're watching the documentary of on Ray to
Giant on on one of the TVs. Brady, were you
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a bit were you like did you get like the like,
do you guys remember the thumb wrestling deals, like the
thumb wrestling dolls that that were like, and you you
like put them on the wrestler on your thumb and
your dumb wrestle with the rest. Just I'm just like reliving,
you know. I told you guys, I'm over yesterday thling
thumb wrestling with WWF you know. Superstars though, by the way,
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I still remember how much those were. They were seven
for a pack broke, they were a vibe and they
were at CBS. And I remember this because there was
a CBS in the Thousand Oaks small growing up, and
I remember walking in there and seeing them and going,
oh man, these are so cool and then seeing the
price and going, well wait, it was Children's Palace where
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I was like when I was growing up. I don't
know if those were everywhere, but Children's Palace and Toys
r Us were like that was the place. Like the
Children's Palace was like the original though. Do you go
in there and it's like man KB toys heard of
the Children's Palace to Children's Palace And when we would
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do it, you know I would. I was set up
like little tournaments, little thumb wrestling tournaments, and every once
in a while you had like three or four dudes
that try to enter the tournament, like it's like a
quarter entry and and and they come in and they're like,
what are you doing? You can't you gotta have a wrestler.
You can't use your thumb. Get out of here. You can't.
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You can't be a part of the tournament. I don't
have a superstar. Where's you wrong with you? Where's your weapon?
We were thumb shaming people like you don't have you
don't have to beat it, bro, like go thumb wrestling
with the regular thumb wrestler? Can I teach you a
thumb wrestling trick? All right? So if your thumb wrestling
somebody and you want to, you want to ensure victory
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every time. Kick him in the balls. Writers, you're doing
it like it, just like you know, a little diversionary tactic.
You can poke them in the eyes too, But I would,
you know, I would said it so seriously though, But yeah,
that's the move. That's the move. But now you're not.
Now you're not thumb wrestling anymore. Now you gotta wrestle
for real. Well, now you're actually what if you can't
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beat them? Listen, It's like Brady always says, my plans
are on surface level, make a lot of sense. So
you kick them. You kick them, then you get your
three count, and then you run, which is gone, and
then you've got like ten to twelve seconds before they
can run, before they can breathe them. Jonas has perfected
the art of have you heard of the fight or flight? Yes,
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he does both. He fights for a short time span
where he kicks someone in the nuts and then he flights.
It's actually a very good combination for survival, not getting
paid by the hour. You know, get in, get out,
that's the way operate with everything. Leave that alight. That
wasn't gonna be able to sit there. Somebody grabbing, all right,
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It is two pros and a cup of jail fox
button didn't light up on y us coming up in
we'll call it. Fifteen minutes from now. We might have
another scandal in the NFL. Somebody is trying to kick
the tires on a potential Uh well, let's just put
this away. They're not happy about a big story that's
come out in the past couple of days because it
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might have involved some money. So we'll have that for
you here again. Fifteen minutes from now. Um, you know,
maybe you know, the Atlanta Falcons are sitting around going
so hold on a second. Tom Brady's back. The Carolina
Panthers have met with Deshaun Watson. The Saints have met
with Deshaun Watson. Well, we better do something. We still
got Matt Ryan. We were structured as deal. So the
Atlanta Falcons step right up. Now. Deshaun Watson is from
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the state of Georgia. Uh so, apparently it is everybody
not named the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Cleveland in
the NFC South, and the Cleveland Browns who all of
a sudden have interest in Deshaun Watson now that the
the legal portion of his issues have settled up. A bit.
So there's that ahead. I was gonna say, it's like
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poking your head out. It's it's like one person pokes
their head out. It's like, oh wow, nothing happened. Nothing, Yeah,
nothing happened. Okayleb let me get a little bit further
out and get my body out like, oh wait, nothing happened.
All right? Then let me let me let me come
a little bit further out. Now I'm all the way out,
I'm standing there and not in my hole at all.
I'm I'm exposed. Um whoa, nothing happened. So you know
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what happens. You look back in the hole and you know,
coast is Claire. Everyone it's good. And you start seeing
everybody else come up out of the hole and they
don't even worry about poking their head out and making
sure it's safe, because the first ones that went out
there made sure that well, they would have took whatever
the danger was that came their way if they got
their head knocked off. Nobody else is coming out of
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that hole. Doesn't seem like there has been any real
backlash or any type of craziness surrounding the Shaun Watson
and and so now you're starting to see what I
kind of thought would happen, and probably what maybe mu
Leghetta and you know, the representation of Deshaun Watson hoped
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for is that this situation is is an open situation
for him to leverage as much as possible, because there
are going to be more teams interested in him than
maybe what originally had been thought or anticipated. Well, he
had a short list that he was only willing to
go to, you know, three teams or something like that
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a year ago. Now that's since changed. There might be
more interested parties, but that doesn't necessarily mean that those
are his you know, great a choices where he'd liked
to guy. I think the most interesting part about Atlanta
and Cleveland, who got involved both in the process yesterday
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in their due diligence, is New Orleans and Carolina were
the first. They were the first to publicly put it
out there, make it known they're kicking the tires and
all this. I mean, Carolina has been the entire time,
even when Deshaun Watson didn't want to go there, they
were still public in ways or reports came out that
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they were interested. It's almost as if Atlanta and Cleveland,
because Atlanta has Matt Ryan Cleveland has Baker Mayfield. They
were a little more hesitant where they didn't want to
be the one of those first teams coming out and saying, yeah,
we're in on this too. They wanted to wait and
see how the Saints and the Panthers were perceived. And
once the criminal charges were dropped. And obviously Deshaun Watson,
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who you know, played the fifth I believe yesterday in
regards to his desk deposition, which he was advised to
by his attorney. Most people are in that position. Um
once he you know, played the fifth to that, and
there's not much more out there. I think you're looking
at people saying, Okay, we feel comfortable enough and now
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to make it public that were interested and then we've
got to figure out this civil portion of it it.
Are we going to have to deal with this when
you get here or are you gonna settle because we've
we've already talked to the Texans, We've already given them
our draft compensation, our trade proposal, which is obviously why
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these four teams are talking with Deshan. That was one
of the more interesting things that came out last night
was the fact that they're all I mean they're all
talking under the guys of we've got a trade in
hand with Houston right now. Now, it could vary depending
on each team, but that now it comes down to
the team and how comfortable they feel with Watson with
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where he's at, but also how these settlements are gonna
work out, which I assume that's what is going to
happen here in the coming weeks in order to satisfy
any team that's willing to trade for Deshaun Watson. It's uh,
the whole situation is fascinating. I can't recall another situation
in the NFL ever like this where a guy goes
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through all the legal issues in US of two and
then all of sudden gets to pick where he plays
football next, like like he went from potentially losing, like
he he went from losing his career to nah, I
don't think I want to play for you. No, no,
only you can talk to me now. Like And it's
not like he's innocent of that. Nothing happened here. It's
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just that you know, they didn't find enough, you know,
criminal evidence to charge him on the criminal side of things.
It's just I don't recall this ever happening ever before
where this guy has this much power coming off the
year that he just had and not playing the entire
season last year. It's a bizarre There are interesting twists
and turns to connected to this, this Deshaun Watson's story
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that that is for certain. But make no mistake about it,
there have been a lot of interesting scenarios that have
played out in terms of personal conduct and whether you
were guilty innocent and you know, innocent until proven guilty
or what or whatever. You I mean, you could go
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back to two thousand and think about it. I know,
you could go back to that super Bowl that took
places in Atlanta and then the very next year the
guys the m v P of the Super Bowl and
the Super Bowl Champion. Like, there have been plenty of
stories that have been uh, very very provocative and and
and polarizing figures and and pieces of of things that
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have come out during the history of of this game.
But I'll say this, this is a very intriguing scenario
in situation with Deshaun Watson, because you know, you start
to ask yourself in terms of public opinion or even
as it applies to you know, what what's still to
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come with the civil suits that that may take place, Um,
is there still the chance that something surfaces that, Like,
you gotta believe that there are some people that are
very well, You gotta know that there are people that
are very, very very upset looking at Deshaun Watson being
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in the situation, in the scenario that he's in, and
and you just start to ask yourself, is there anything
that could possibly derail what seemingly now becomes a much
smoother approach to to his next phase of his career.
That's to me, that's what's in my mind. That's what's
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kind of percolating with me, is that there's somebody out
there They're like, nah na, no, no, no, he's not Nope,
I ain't gonna let that. It's not gonna slide. I'm
not gonna let that go that way. And I just
wonder how much how far that may go. I think
it's gonna be interesting to see when there is a settlement,
because there there will be what sort of language is
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within it. If there is a nondisclosure agreement. It was
rumored that Deshaun Watson didn't want it because he will
have to talk about it with whatever team he goes
to play two next and he wanted to be able
to clear his name. Again, not a legal expert in anyway,
but I would imagine that his attorney wouldn't advise that
only because if then he doesn't have to sign a
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nondisclosure agreement, and if there's the potential that they don't
have to either, right, then they can make what happened
in all the public as well. Now, people might out
there that are legal experts say, well, there's no way
that they would be able to explain their side of
the story and receive a portion of the settlement. But
if you're Tony Busby and you're representing twenty two different
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individuals that are suing for this, and Deshaun Watson can
speak his piece, but you know, you're, you know, the
the the Obviously the victims are alleged victims can't. I
don't know that that's such a free deal. But maybe
he doesn't care at the end of the day, and
maybe they just want to pay out and that's how
they want this thing to proceed. So it's gonna be
interesting to keep an I on that just to see
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to the LaVar's point, like what else could become public? Well,
if if this thing gets settled, but there's no nondisclosure
agreement between both parties and they're both able to speak
their mind and we find out more from that. That's
what could become public and could be interesting. I just
assume everything becomes public. Now. We've seen it so many
examples of well, this was you know, gonna be kept quiet,
Like if you want to go all the way back
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to you know, details from the Kobe Bryant case that
came out, you know, details from like Ben Roethlisberger, like
all these other issues that have popped up. We we
find out ultimately it maybe a few years down the road,
the Tom Brady deflate gate stuff. It was a few
years down the road. We found out details that we
didn't know at the time. So I just assume something's
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gonna pop up eventually. Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
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You guys. One Las Vegas sports book is calling for
an NFL investigation after what they call an educated better
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tried to make multiple ten dollar wagers on the Bucks
to win the Super Bowl at thirty two one odds
last week on Thursday. He wasn't able to get that
that big bet in. He was able to get it
in at the number of sports books at different odo
one and thirty one. Good for him. Yeah, yeah, tough
balls Westgate. That's who you're talking about. It's the Westgate
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casino or book or whatever. Correct tough balls, All right,
everything's about if you have information, are you supposed to
wait until they figure out what the line is and
then place the bet. It was like that casino during
when Japanese baseball was going on. They didn't they didn't
update the live odds and because they didn't realize the
game had already started. So some betters were hanging out
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in the casino and realized they haven't updated this yet.
We know what's happening. We're like six innings in and
started placing wagers. You can't go back and tell those
guys I'd like my money back because you screwed up.
I'm sorry. It was priced strong. Go to any store
they give you the wrong price and you go to
the cash register, they should honor the price. Tough balls. Sorry,
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it's a great story too. Yeah, remember you're telling that
about eight times. That's good. That was necessary. So you
are a part of that. No, I wish I was.
I wouldn't have told it on the air though. Now.
The funny thing is is you've used it as a
reference a lot and you have a better story all
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this from your Super Bowl it because they didn't word
it properly, and based on how things played out, you
ended up getting your money back from a bet. That's
actually a better or more useful example. I think this
one right. Well, yeah, hey, when's that show on Saturday?
As you do? It's seven and nine at specific time.
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What's it's called? The Jonas notion could think of another thing.
You couldn't think of another name. The reality is, you know,
gamblers can be upset with the result after the fact.
In this particular case, it's a future's bet, and I
understand they feel like this guy had insider information before
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they could adjust the lines. Guess what, you don't have
to put him out there like that is totally on
you as the book. If you can't get the best
information or you don't have the sharpest lines, that's on you.
You're the one placing bets on odds to win the
super Bowl, the conference championship, and we're in March. Think
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about that for example, Like you're complaining about a problem
that you created for yourself because you want have taken
all this money throughout the course of the year for
the NFL season. Like, look in the mirror, and they're
just all these books and casinos. Look in the mirror.
You're the ones taking the bets. They're your lines. If
they're not sharp, that's on you, it's not on the individual. Yeah,
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they're just pissed they didn't have the information, that's all
this is. And they're pissed that it looks like somebody
got the one up on them. I just I I
totally agree that. The fact that you're going to complain
about it after the fact and then try and try
and make sure that these bets don't go through, that's ridiculous.
I mean, what are we talking about here? This is
this is the way this works. All that insider information
from time to time. Remember when Kawai Leonard was on
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the verge of getting traded from San Antonio, Toronto was
nowhere to be found. Nobody talked about Toronto, and all
of a sudden they became the betting favorite overnight, and
people are like, well, that's kind of strange. It's same
thing when Baker Mayfield and the Heisman kind La Marie
the Heisman, all of a sudden the odds changed one
weekend because somebody had information. That's the way this works. Yeah,
setting people straight here and gambling boll I tell you,
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it's fun, LaVar. You gotta get in on it. Yeah,
y'all stress me out. I get stressed out. It's fun.
I need to take a break. Don't smoke a cigarette.
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