March 16, 2022 • 43 mins
On Wednesday's 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brady created a monster by getting his daughter into brackets. Baker's situation in Cleveland gets even more awkward. Kyrie goes off for 60 points in his return to the court. The guys try to make sense of the power Deshaun Watson wields after sitting for a year. Plus, Petros Papadakis talks Baker, Brady, LeBron and John Elway smoking habits.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar Areas Brady Quinn and Jonas knocks on radio.
Gonna be a fun one. We get the tournament right
around the corner. We have found out some interesting information
about the tournament when it comes to LaVar Arrington. We
(00:21):
will save that for later on in the show. I
just it's already began. Kind of nick stop. The playing
games are fun to watch. It's great to see teams
were not aware of young men out there, you know,
doing their best to try to have a shot of
play of one seed and getting their doors kicked in. See,
I'm a Notre Dame guy. So the tournament for me
starts tonight. I don't know what you what you're rooting for,
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but that's why I'll put it this way. I filled
out a bracket, but my oldest daughter was like, Daddy,
what are you doing. I said, I'm doing on a bracket.
What's a bracket. I started to explain it to her.
Shecause we gotta do one. So I go through it,
and honestly, I just I asked her. I said, here's
the match up, you know, Gonzaga versus whatever, sixteen see
their plane. She goes Gonzaga. Okay, cool, I started going through.
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She actually made some really good picks, and on her own,
I didn't I didn't literally say anything else. She started
picking upsets, and then I think she has like San
Francisco making a run. So there you go, they make
a run. You heard it here first. But it got
to the point where I said, Okay, do you want
to stay up and watch the first game with dad?
Because she had picked Texas and m Corpus Christie, which
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for anyone who watched, got off to a great start,
then hit some real rolls and obviously lost to Texas Southern.
So I believe Texas Southern was the chance to get
their doors beat in by Kansas. I digress. I made
her into an absolute monster. She has become a maniac.
She's like up and down screaming. She's cheering, she's excited,
then she's down, she's crying. There the whole thing was
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just like a mixed bag of emotions. I literally created
a monster by teaching her about what March madness is.
We're one game into the thing, one game into it,
the country's next great sports better, Yes, there it is.
She's in. She is locked in and ready to go
absolutely next great sports better. Hey, you know what they
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were walking to the club, all right, I think I
lost my first thirty. So she's got a ways to go.
But good for her. She didn't take Indiana. She did
take Indiana though, So listen that it's it's not all
bad we you know. I mean back at we were talking, uh,
you know, the kind of reminiscing before the show, LaVar
and I about the good old days when you would
fill it out by hand. I'm just saying like, yeah, listen,
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I'm gonna I don't know about you guys, but I'm
also going to do one. I did one obviously for
our Fox Sports Radio dot Com Bracket Challenge, but I'm
going to do one by hand, just because you don't
want to feel like it's just gonna front. I'm not
putting anybody off the front street. I'm just saying this
is the way I operate, right. I don't have any
daughters stories about about brackets. You know, they barely talk
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to me these days. They do their own thing. Um,
but I will say, the only way I do brackets
is by writing them the names in. I mean, that's
just that's just what feels right to me. I was
telling Joan is Brady. I'm like, you know, I know
I have a good time with you guys, but you know,
I'm an old man. Like you know, we have fun
like we're young, but you know I'm quite I'm aging,
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so you know, I do things the old school way.
There's nothing wrong with old school though. Like sometimes I
put my my wallet in my sock, you know, stuff
like that. I still do old, old people's stuff. Man,
I appreciate that. So do you wear like white tube
socks with with with black shoes like you know sometimes
like yes, therapeutic shoes. Yes, he wears one at a
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time from what I hear, But again I don't know where.
But it's too really for a crank, that's all. That's
not what I meant. Listen, I was talking to, you know,
just to you know, hold me to clown, you know,
that was what I was referring to. This. Figured i'd
take it light this morning because I got dumped so
quickly yesterday. You know, I figured i'd be a good
guy today. That's two days, I think, right, it's been
two days and you've been gett dumped. Yeah, I mean,
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I guess I've come in save Patty's week. You're not
the only person who feels like they're getting dumped. This
is their quarterback in the NFL. That's how you transition. Yeah,
that's how you transition. You'd like to thank everyone that
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has supported Brady Quinn that amazing transition. Yeah, to all
the people out there that believed in me. A tear
in my eye. Oh God, if I would have known
years ago, he would have gotten so good that he
would just veer off into this conversation like that smooth operator,
Brady Quinn. Yeah, and to the point, and um, listen,
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Baker Mayfield. We talked yesterday about the rumors and this
was early on that the Cleveland Browns are going to
be meeting with Deshaun Watson, and um, you know, we
weren't even sure whether or not that was legitimate or true.
It was true, It was legitimate, So so credit to
Aaron Wilson who was the first one to report on that.
And then, um, once that got out, you started to
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hear other things come out, like Mary Kay Cabot, who
has had a back and forth contentious relationship with Baker Mayfield,
who reported that the Houston Texans don't want Baker Mayfield.
If that was going to be a part of a trade,
the Texans are like, yeah, we're not really interested. We'd
rather have a bunch of picks. So Baker Mayfield took
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to social media. Uh, he took to his Twitter, he
took to his to his Instagram. Uh, to give a
thank you to the city of Cleveland. Uh, you know
things like this. The past four years have been nothing
short of truly life changing since I heard my name
being called in the draft to go to Cleveland. Went
on to talk about the memories that he made with
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his family, and he said with you know, it's it's
no not by any means a goodbye or anything like that.
Don't don't read anything into it, but just sort of
a here's where we are, appreciation. There's some un certainty tweet, Yeah,
there's some uncertainty. But before all of this plays out,
I just want you to know from my heart, I
appreciate the city of Cleveland, and we see what happens
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from here to To sum it up, so, um, not
a not in a non awkward situation there in Cleveland
between Baker Mayfield and the Brown So what was a
drastic turnaround from what he was saying about the fan
base when he was playing through the season, hurt Um.
He was not singing this tune then, And boy, how
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how things have changed. Remember when Mary Kay Cabot came
out with the report that because the Browns weren't getting
a long term extension done and Baker Mayfield fired back
and he was upset and he was frustrated about it.
And the reality is, Mary Kay Cabot has been an insider,
if you will, a local reporter there for decades and
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she is his dialed and is anyone else. Early in
Baker's career, she was doing more favorable reporting when maybe
some other people weren't. There was another, you know, local
beat guy who had a contentious relationship with Baker and
Tony Grossy that was well documented. And and the interesting
thing about it is, you know, Baker turned on Mary
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Kay Cabot when she was one of his biggest supporters.
So look, it's not surprised that she would come out
with the report that the Texans don't want Baker. As
I said yesterday, I got a sense from somebody I
talked to in Houston that they really like Davis Mills.
They do, and they want to see maybe where this
thing goes as they build out around him. You know,
Nikissario sees him more along the lights of a guy
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like Tom Brady, not necessarily saying he's Tom Brady, but
a guy who didn't play much at Stanford, was banged up,
was dealing with some other issues, and they feel like
with his intelligence, the way he plays the game, his
his overall abilities, he was one of the top recruits
coming out of high school in into college. They feel
like he's got a lot of that still in him.
So they feel like there's value there um in regards
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to Mayfield, though. It's just it's interesting how everything's changed
over the course of the past three months, right, or
maybe four or five now if you include the season
where he was upset about people taking shots at him
and upset with maybe the organization not giving him that
long term deal or you know, getting into those discussions.
And now it's like he's just appreciative to to be
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there because he doesn't know where he's gonna be thrown
two next, if the Texans don't want him, and then
we look at the other teams that are out there,
there's a chance he ends up somewhere else completely. Now.
I think the most interesting spot for him would be
the New Orleans Saints because I remember when he was
coming out, if you were to ask me to give
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him a comp my comp for him, even though it's
a different throwing motion, but given his size, given his
kind of pocket play, how accurate he was at Oklahoma,
I was like, Oh, he kind of reminds me of
Drew Brees, and so it would be interesting to see
if he didn't find his way down to that team
that roster. I know it's not Sean pay it's Dennis
Allen now, but if the if the Saints don't get
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Deshaun Watson and ends up being the Browns, or even
of ends up being someone else, you get the sense
that maybe the Browns just want to move on in general,
and maybe that's what they've communicated, or if they haven't,
maybe they have basically by saying, we're already looking at
your replacement now, and whether it's Deshaun Watson or not,
maybe we'd move on from you now because of what
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you said in regards to not getting a long term
contract in the prior months. See, I would love to
say what Baker did is a very passive aggressive approach,
which by by definition it was passive aggressive. But I
will I will also add to this warranted warranted. Even
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though we understand the business is the business, I think
at some point fans have got to understand that the
business of sport goes both ways. You can't be supportive
of of a team handling their business, but not a player. Now,
I wonder, with that being said, what is Baker mayfield
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next course of action? You gotta believe he's got his
agent active right now because you're heading into free agency.
That's a small window of time. Like the dominoes have
already fallen with with the first two quarterbacks, right A,
Rod goes back, Russ goes to Denver, So you've already
had things getting getting started, getting underway. You're seeing guys
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Randy Gregory now he's in Denver. So they're building a
super team in football in Denver right now. Um, Tampa
Bay filled a spot obviously, and and why would it
be such a bad thing for him to go down there? Grant,
he's under construct for for his fifth year for eighteen
millions something like that. But if you could figure out
a way of doing an extension there, and if arians
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does truly believe, because there was this rumor that Arians
really liked Baker Mayfield when he's coming out in the draft,
and and and and go. It's like, go and sit
behind him for a year and maybe see what happened.
There is no shame in sitting and learning from Tom
Brady and and getting building a rapport with with Byron Leftwidge.
And if Bruce Arians decides to continue to stay to
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build a relationship with I mean, they're the same type
of guy Arians and and Baker Mayfield, real spunky type
of dudes, you know. And what I do know is
and we we kind of alluded to this yesterday. The
relationship may have already had cracks in Cleveland between Front
Office and Baker Mayfield. But if they were cracks before,
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there's there there there, it's complete fractures now. So you
gotta believe at this point, what is Baker Mayfield's agent
going to do to combat or to address or handle
this scenario, Because in a way, Baker is actually in
a favorable situation, in a favorable position if they leverage
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this thing the right way. But it's going to take
some some methodical movement to do it the right way.
Give Mary Kay Cabot credit by the way, she doubled
down when he came out and and ran his mouth
and said no, no, no, this is BS and came
out strong. She doubled down, has been and has been
saying the whole time that Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski
haven't been seen ey'd eye, that he criticized the offense
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publicly a couple of times last year. And so, I
mean when everyone wanted to say, including Baker Mayfield, no, no,
there's nothing to it. Uh, you know, and I think
it was who was the other quarterback, Brandon Weed and
who came and said, oh yeah, she tried to pull
the same thing with me. She's stuck to her guns
and said, no, I'm telling you this is true. I am,
I am, I reporting on this is accurate and uh
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and here we are. So yeah, because she heard directly
from his camp. There are times when the stuff that
was she was reporting on, you're like, all right, it
could only have come directly from this person. So I
was percent in her camp on that in regards to
what she was reporting. And it's not it's thought that
wasn't sticking up for a you know, another Brown's quarterback.
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It's the fact that I knew exactly where all that
stuff was coming from, and he was upset that it
got out, you know, similar to Tom Brady's dad blaming
the media for why he retired for two months. But
you guys, if you guys maybe want to take from
an Ohio and maybe from a Cleveland Browns fan, because
I've got that's the thing about Ohio and and LaVar
knows this Pennsylvania too. There's a lot of hard working people.
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There's a lot of people who are already up, already working.
They're listening to us right now. One of my buddies
got up early today. First thing he asked me was like, Hey,
are you guys gonna break down this Baker you know,
Mayfield letter to the Cleveland you know Browns fans. I said,
you bet we are, Buddy, I go, what's your take
on it? You've got a better feel for it, you know,
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you got your your hand on the pulse of what's
happening that the Browns. And his response was, Baker's the worst.
They they kind of turned on him, and uh, he's
not that guy. He's not that guy. Not that he's
not that guy. This happens, this happens to be a
Polish pal of mine. Then it kind of sounds like Pittsburgh.
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It does, but they got a little more of that
to a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, that sounded Pittsburgh.
That's why we hate each other, but we love each other.
Does look kind of the same. Do you have a
really long last name? Well it ends at Ski. But
his question was and he goes, is he that guy
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if he needs a little elite receiver? He's like, what
else does he need? And I said, okay. I was like,
all right, I get you're making I said, up. I'm
not trying to, you know, counter you. I'm just asking,
you know, I'm asking how you feel about all this
just started talking like you when he was talking, I did.
It was like I felt like it was like when
you go to Jamaica for the first time. Everyone's like
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You're like, You're like, wait, why am I talking like that?
This is this guy, this Cleveland Browns fan of Polish descent?
Is he the same guy who happened to uh have
the real innovative idea of when you are drunk and
you need to use the restroom, you just sit backwards.
That is the way you can rest. That is what
I like to call I like to call polish engineering.
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When when you drink too much and you have the
opportunity with to sit on a toilet that has you know,
obviously a back to it, right if the field there
in the back, instead of sitting on it the normal way,
you sit on it backwards so you can rest on
top of the toilet in the event that you pass out.
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Great stories ever told. His final comment to me was, uh,
he goes. I don't know about Watson, but it seems
like he's better than bicker Mayfield and every way on
the field he goes off the field, though I don't know,
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it does just like man, I got a sneaky suspicion
he probably picked Kentucky to win the tournament. Correct. I'm
assuming that's probably That's probably the pick he made. This
particular individual, he would not do that because he's the
type that wants to be pleasantly surprised, so he would
he would rather pick him losing in the elite eight,
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and then it feels like it plays a factor in
to them actually finding their way to win it all. Hi, Jake,
be sure to catch live editions of two Pros and
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Maybe you know, the Atlanta Falcons are sitting around, going
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to hold on a second, Tom Brady's back. The Carolina
Panthers have met with Deshaun Watson. The Saints have met
with Deshaun Watson. Well, we better do something. We still
got Matt Ryan, we were structured his deal. So the
Atlanta Falcons step right up now, Deshaun Watson from the
state of Georgia. Uh So, apparently it is everybody not
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named the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Cleveland in the
NFC South and the Cleveland Browns who all of a
sudden have interest in Deshaun Watson now that the the
legal portion of his issues have settled up a bit.
So there's that. I mean, well, I was gonna say,
it's like poking your head out, right. It's it's like
one person pokes their head out, It's like, oh wow,
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nothing happened. Nothing, Yeah, nothing happened. Okay, let me get
a little bit further out, get my body out like,
oh wait, nothing happened. All right, then let me let
me let me come a little bit further out. Now
I'm all the way out, I'm standing there, not in
my hole at all. I'm I'm exposed. Um WHOA, nothing happened.
So you know what happens. You look back in the
hole and you coast is Claire everyone it's good. And
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you start seeing everybody else come up out of the
hole and they don't even worry about poking their head
out making short safe because the first ones that went
out there made sure that well, they would have took
whatever the danger was that came their way if they
got their head knocked off. Nobody else is coming out
of that hole. Doesn't seem like there has been any
real backlash or any type of craziness surrounding Deshaun Watson.
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And and so now you're starting to see what I
kind of thought would happen. And probably what maybe Mullighetta
and you know the representation of Deshaun Watson hoped for
is that this situation is is an open situation for
him to leverage as much as possible, because there are
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going to be more teams interested in him than maybe
what originally had been thought or anticipated well, he had
a short list that he was only willing to go to,
you know, three teams or something like that a year ago.
Now that's since changed. There might be more interested parties,
but that doesn't necessarily mean that those are his you know,
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great a choices where he'd liked to guy. I think
the most interesting part about Atlanta and Cleveland, who got
involved both in the process yesterday in their due diligence,
is New Orleans and Carolina were the first. They were
the first to publicly put it out there, make it
known they're kicking the tires and all this. I mean,
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Carolina has been the entire time, even when Deshaun Watson
didn't want to go there, they were still public in
ways or reports came out that they were interested. It's
almost as if Atlanta and Cleveland, because Atlanta has Matt Ryan,
Cleveland has Baker Mayfield, they were a little more hesitant
where they didn't want to be the one of those
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first teams coming out and saying, yeah, we're in on
this too. They wanted to wait and see how the
Saints and the Panthers were perceived, and once the criminal
charges were dropped, and obviously Deshaun Watson, who you know
played the fifth I believe yesterday in regards to his
desk deposition, which he was advised to by his attorney.
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Most people are in that position, um once he you know,
played the fifth to that, and there's not much more
out there. I think you're looking at people saying, Okay,
we feel comfortable enough and now to make it public
that were interested and then we've got to figure out
this civil portion of it. Are we going to have
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to deal with this when you get here or are
you're gonna settle because we've we've already talked to the Texans.
We've already given them our draft compensation, our trade proposal,
which is obviously why these four teams are talking with
de Sean. That was one of the more interesting things
that came out last night was the fact that they're
all I mean, they're all talking under the guys of
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we've got a trade in hand with Houston right now.
Now it could vary depending on each team, but that
now it comes down to the team and how comfortable
they feel with Watson with where he's at, but also
how these elements are gonna work out, which I assume
that's what is going to happen here in the coming
weeks in order to satisfy any team that's willing to
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trade for the Shawn Watson. It's uh, the whole situation
is fascinating. I can't recall another situation in the NFL
ever like this where a guy goes through all the
legal issues, yeah, and then all of a sudden gets
to pick where he plays football next, like like he
went from potentially losing like he he went from losing
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his career to nah, I don't think I want to
play for you. No, no, only you can talk to
me now. Like, And it's not like he's innocent of that.
Nothing happened here. It's just that, you know, they didn't
find enough, you know, criminal evidence to charge him on
the criminal side of things. It's just I don't recall
this ever happening ever before, where this guy has this
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much power coming off the year that he just had
and not playing the entire season last year. It's a bizarre.
There are interesting twists and turns to connected to this
this Deshaun Watson's story that that is for certain, But
make no mistake about it, there have been a lot
of interesting scenarios that have played out in terms of
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personal conduct and whether you were guilty or innocent, and
you know, innocent until proven guilty or whatever whatever you
I mean, you could go back to two thousand and
think about it. You could go back to that super
Bowl that took places in Atlanta and then the very
next year the guys the m v P of the
Super Bowl and the Super Bowl Champion. Like, there have
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been plenty of stories that have been uh, very very
provocative and and and polarizing figures and and pieces of
of things that have come out during the history of
of this game. But I'll say this, this is a
very intriguing scenario in situation with Deshaun because you know,
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you start to ask yourself in terms of public opinion
or even as it applies to you know what what's
still to come with the civil suits that that may
take place. Um, is there still the chance that something
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surfaces that, like, you gotta believe that there are some
people that are very well, you gotta know that there
are people that are very very very upset looking at
Deshaun Watson being in the situation, in the scenario that
he's in, and and you just start to ask yourself,
is there anything that could possibly derail what seemingly now
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becomes a much smoother approach to to his next phase
of his career. That's to me, that's what's in my mind.
That's what's kind of percolating with me, is that there's
somebody out dude, They're like, nah, no, no, no, no,
he's not Nope, I ain't gonna let that. It's not
gonna slide. I'm not gonna let that go that way.
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And I just wonder how much how far that may go.
I think it's gonna be interesting to see when there
is a settlement, because there there will be what sort
of languages within it. If there is a nondisclosure agreement.
It was rumored that Deshaun Watson didn't want it because
he will have to talk about it with whatever team
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he goes to play too next and he wanted to
be able to clear his name. Again, not a legal
expert in anyway, but I would imagine that his attorney
wouldn't advise that only because if then he doesn't have
to sign a nondisclosure agreement, and if there's the potential
that they don't have to either, right, then they can
make what happened in all the public as well. Now,
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people might out there that are legal experts say, well,
there's no way that they would be able to explain
their side of the story and receive a portion of
the settlement. But if you're Tony Buzzby and you're representing
twenty two different individuals that are suing for this, and
Deshaun Watson can speak his piece, but you know, you're
you know, the the obviously the victims are alleged victims can't.
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I don't know that that's such a free deal. But
maybe he doesn't care at the end of the day,
and maybe they just want to pay out and that's
how they want this thing to proceed. So it's gonna
be interesting to keep an eye on that, just to
see to the LaVar's point, like, what else could become public? Well,
if if this thing gets settled, but there's no nondisclosed
agreement between both parties and they're both able to speak
their mind and we find out more from that, that's
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what could become public and could be interesting. I just
assume everything becomes public. Now we've seen it so many
examples of well this was you know, gonna be kept quiet.
Like if you want to go all the way back
to you know, details from the Kobe Bryant case that
came out, you know details from like Ben Roethlisberger, like
all these other issues that have popped up. We we
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find out ultimately it maybe a few years down the road.
The Tom Brady deflate gates off. It was a few
years down the road. We found out details that we
didn't know at the time. So I just assume something's
gonna pop up eventually. Be sure to catch live editions
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we welcome in the Great. Petros papadicis co host of
the Petros and Money Show on the Blowtorch AM five
seventy l a Sports also a Fox Fox College football analyst,
and he is a tradition on this show every single Wednesday,
Petro's good morning, how are you? How are we feeling
(27:03):
here a day before St. Patty's Day? I know you're
gonna get fired up. Uh, we have a show tomorrow,
like live. We've been hooked out, probably because they were scared.
I think they were scared that that the baseball season,
the lockout was gonna go longer, and they needed some profits. Hey,
you know, like Bob Marley said, how long can they
(27:26):
steal our profits? So they sent us out to the
Hollywood Park casino. So I'm gonna be uh just real
jackass tomorrow. Now are you drinking? Are you drinking on
the air while you're getting hooked h you know? I
mean I explained this to somebody yesterday who wasn't mccronin
(27:48):
two days ago, where Mick was like, how come you
guys just don't drink while you're doing the show. It
sounds like and it I was like, you know, we
used to, but that's a young man's game, and not
because like, oh my god, drunk on the air. It's like,
who cares it sounds drunk on the air anyway, But
it's it's the indigestion. You know, you start, you know,
(28:08):
we're talking three hours. Well, you know you just when
you say, when you have to constantly talk and pedal
the bike for three hours and talk at a high
level and scream like Louis Armstrong playing the trumpet, because
that's the level of art we do in great sports
talk radio. But when you do that, you know, it's
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not like you're settling down and able to really enjoy
your liquor or your beer. Uh, it all ends up
very high in my esophagus, and uh, it's just it's
not worth it. I have indigestion for the rest of
the nime. So I mean I can drink during the show,
but slowly and not with the same kind of gusto
that I would normally be attacking the alcohol, punishing the
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liquor pops. They're they're looking to get Deshaunt Watson and
in Cleveland, Who's day him? They they Cleveland. You're trying
to get them there too. No, I don't care. Uh,
you got it on the Triple, the Flying j or whatever.
Jimmy has Yeah, you got it, Jimmy Haslett. If you
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had to give a your best argument for Baker Mayfield
to be okay with this even if Deshaun Watson doesn't
end up coming there, what what would that be? What?
What would you say to Baker Mayfield because he's saying
his goodbyes even though he ain't went nowhere. You know,
I don't know when when it happened that. I mean
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when it became like an eighth grade or high school
relationship or you know, asking somebody to prom with pigeons
and balloons and all this crap. I mean, it's business,
you know, and it's not pretty all the time, and
but you have to do your due diligence and explore
what your options are if you or in charge, if
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you're Baker Mayfield, if you're anybody. I mean, look at
the Russell Wilson thing that just happened. I mean, there's
more than one NFL team out there, and it's highly
unlikely that anybody's gonna play their whole career anywhere. Uh
you know these stories of where and I say this
all the time, and we had another example of one yesterday.
You know, football at any level whenever, if you're good
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enough to play in college and all that, it's not
gonna end pretty for you. I mean it's not. If
you give your life to football, it's probably not gonna
end on the field the way that you wanted it to. Uh,
there are very few stories. There's Jerome Bettis, there is
stray Hand. There is Elway, who looks like he could
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suck a whole cigarette that's thirty ft long in one drag.
I've seen always suck a cigarette in one drag outside
the Agua Calli and take casino in Palm Spray, And
you know, I had, you know, it was late at
night and I was I'm not a casino person, and
I was coming out of the casino and I was like, damn,
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that's John Elway. Wow he's smoking whoa. That is the
longest drag of a cigarette. I've ever seen anybody taking
my whole life. And I'm Greek. I couldn't not. His
lips went like his cheeks went in like a porn
like he was just like like he just sucked that nicotine.
And I was like, damn, I guess it didn't end
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pretty for ailway, but either way, he walked off the field,
you know, as the champ, and you know, and not
even like and that's not even the ultimate, Like most
of us would just have liked to walk off the
field on our own terms, right, And nobody gets that.
Nobody gets that, so all of a sudden, I mean,
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I know that it's like we must protect this house,
and you do all the commercials and all that cool stuff,
but you know, you're still just a football player. Don't
fool yourself into thing king that you're more than you are,
you know, and the secment they talk to somebody, you
have to write this heartfield Instagram thing and I heard
Eddie talking about it, and then you gotta walk it
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back because nobody can understand what you're trying to say.
And I think it's a double edged sword. I think
football players and athletes in general and just people, I
guess have just got paper thin skin. Now we all do,
I guess to a certain degree, because everything is right
in our face right after it happens, and we're super raw,
and then there's nothing private anymore. Like if you have
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these great feelings of gratitude, call somebody and tell them, like, hey,
Aaron Rodgers. If you want to say something nice to
Shleeene Woodley, call her up right. If you want to
tell your wife what a great person she is and
what a wonderful anniversary or whatever, tell her that right.
Don't post it on social media with twenty pictures, as
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if that's some kind of validation. You know, whatever happened
to having, like, I mean, even people's relationship with God.
Like everything, any relationship anybody has, people feel like it's
not a relationship unless you are, like the band leader
in one of the historic Black College is doing high
stepping with like three freaking uh batons. Like, unless you're
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doing that dancing around and doing flips and freaking out
in front of people, it's almost like you don't have
any relationships. And it's like some of that stuff should
be private to me. And maybe I'm from a different
era and and you know, I mean, everybody just rushes
emotionally to Instagram or whatever to send these long, lengthy,
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dumb ass posts that they think are poignant. But hey,
you ain't William Wordsworth. You're not that good of a writer.
Keep it to yourself. I mean, you're only gonna end
up looking stupid later. And you know it happens so
fast that no one even remembers. But anyway, those are
my feelings. I think it's just way, way too much
from everybody. Bravo Petros, I feel the exact same way.
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I feel like those you know post those comments, those
it's all for everyone else. It's not for usually the
person that's actually intended for. But I didn't want you
to know. I've actually broken down the John Elways cigarette
drag in his anatomy because I actually saw something similar
when I was with the Broncos. Yeah, when we were
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in London, I saw him take a drag of a cigarette.
I thought the same thing. I was like, damn, I mean,
he could be he could have been the Marlboro Man
if he wanted to the Marlboro Man. My god, he
could be Debbie does Dallas. There to sup that much
nicotine out of that little space. The filter, with the filters,
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here's what makes it all possible. He's got a barrel chest.
He's one of those dudes who has like the big
old barrel chest and the long capacity. Maybe you could
think it's on Denver Petros. Somebody else has to light
it though, because the bomb is so big. What did
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you guys make of the whole tom Brady coming back
out of retirement? What was he? Was he ever retired
in the first place? I guess not. I mean, look,
I when Eddie was doing his report, and thank god
for that, Otherwise I wouldn't know anything about every week.
If Eddie doesn't do his report, I don't know. I
mean I just go on the show talking to air.
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But when he said he was looking, I knew Tom
Brady when I was in college, and he was a
dork and he still is. I mean, none of us
ever wanted to be around him. He was a dork
with a concave chest, and I just not a barrel chest,
not a barrel chess. He probably can to be tracked
on a signal please Marlboro Ultra lights just buckling. But
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give when he said, like, obviously his success and and
everything he's accomplished has been mind boggling to many of us, uh,
who are from the same era. And just the fact
that he said, like six years ago, oh, I'm gonna
play till I and I think I said on the air,
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like who's gonna want you? You know, I mean, no
one wants a forty five year. I mean, it boggles
the mind and it really bucks any kind of football convention.
And there is such a thing as staying too long
at the carnival, if you know what I mean. And uh,
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it kind of feels like he is he's pretty bent
on doing that. But I would have never thought that
any of this would be possible. I mean, all of
this is just it just is crazy on top of
crazy on top of just something we may never see again.
Or maybe this will be kind of a new model
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for athletes and the way they take care of themselves
and quarterback can get rid of the ball or anything
like that. Just don't look for any forty five year
old will linebackers any times? Petros So before Yeah there
is how long is he still played on? Still playing? Sam?
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When did London Fletcher walk away? Like not that long ago?
A couple of years ago? Maybe it's been a while?
Um was it? Like time is a flat circle? Yeah? Whatever,
who cares? Petro's we gotta ask you this before we
let you go speaking to somebody who defies you know,
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time and age and all that. You know that you've
been hot on the coverage of Lebron James and just
this this phenomenal Laker team from this year. Just your
thoughts on some of the coverage recently of Lebron James
in the Los Angeles Lakes. You know, I don't want to,
you know, upset anybody. It just feels it just feels.
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I know that this guy has been scrutinized since he
was fourteen, and everything he does is like social media,
post to your wife. So there's a lot of drama
and there's a lot of pop and circumstance, and who
could blame him? I mean it's hard to put yourself.
I used to say this about Kobe, you know, especially
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when it was going through the trial and all that,
and they were like, you know, a jury of his peers.
It's like, who's his peer? You know? These basketball players,
these one or two or four or five guys who
were so globally recognized, are really really just pumped up
by our society. I mean it's hero worship to the
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twentieth degree. But when you lose by thirty. There was
the greatest meme on Twitter the other day and it
was picture of Lebron and Westbrook and Carmelo Anthony and
it said, if you don't love me down by thirty.
Then you can't love me down by man, And you
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know that's really the funny part. It's like you watch
these Laker games and because it's so funny, I told
you how I do it, I just leave it on
because just to watch them fail. And Bill McDonald there
played by play guys like oh no defense, oh you know,
students like and they're down by Laker Basketball Network. Just listen,
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and I just love it. It's just a cacophony of failure.
And then you check Twitter after the game and it's
like a giant sparkling brown and like Lebron dud he
kept his stats going. It's like, yeah, well you went
down twenty, he came out of the game, the other
team stopped playing defense, and then Lebron goes in and
course thirty and every look and obviously he's great. Obviously
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he defies all these things. He's I used to show
up at Staples Center when he was young, just and
I'm not that big of a live sports guy, but
I'd used my media credential because I want to watch
this guy explode to the basket. I've never seen anything
like it, and I mean, he's a phenomenon. There's no
doubt about it. But whoever handles his career is an idiot.
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And this has been happening for a long time. I'm
sure people in Cleveland and Miami and all this can relate,
but I don't think that. And I think even Laker
fans have really come to this, even the most illusional
Laker fans, who would root for you know, Paul pot
if he was playing point guard for them, But I
think even Laker fans at this point are kind of like, yeah,
(40:35):
this is not a likable guys, this is not a
likable team. This is not the Lakers, this is not
this is not a recognizable product. And there's just a
mercenary kind of vibe about it. And it's ugly. I mean,
it's ugly, but the national media doesn't care. I mean,
I mean, it's kind of like when the Clippers had
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Lobs City. Nobody in town cared, nobody, but every night
was highlights of Chris Paul and Blake grab DeAndre Jordan,
you know, national highlights. At least they would win. I mean,
this Laker thing is their national highlights of a team
that lost by thirty for a guy who's you know,
chasing this record of chasing that record, and it kind
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of we always wondered the last couple of years, like, oh, wow,
Lebron's really playing the whole game, and while they're losing,
but Lebron is still in there. It's like, yeah, he's
chasing Kareem. That's what it's about. And uh, I don't know.
I just think ause stat grab is kind of ugly.
It's you missed one key element. When you're throwing to break.
As part of the Lakers broadcast, right after Stews sign
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out going to break, it's usually a Tito's Tacos commercial.
I thinking about cal Worthington Ford. That's why all Laker
fans way about four eight pounds Tremorisas of course the
three to night everybody's getting too toggle from through. They
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used to be chillupas uh if they scored a London
or something and there'd be a riot. You know, they're
like ninety nine and they're dribbling it out on people. People.
You thought they burned down the gas station when they
won the champion And by the way, that was outside
after they had a Hollywood hot dog, one of those
Bacon Raft hot dogs outside the dog. Yeah, I was
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I was I'm doing some work for the Kings, and uh,
I swear I am. I'm back at Staples or Crypto
or whatever they call it now. And I was walking
out of there the other day and I was just
pubic hair away from pulling the trigger. But now the
danger dog people have wheels, so you can't keep them
down many so if the cops come and try to
(42:41):
move them, they just they roll their grill like five
feet over. What now? What a late hay pac Man,
I'm a hot dog vendor Dad. It is pet Ris,
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Gonna be a fun one. We get the tournament right
around the corner. We have found out some interesting information
about the tournament when it comes to LaVar Arrington. We
(00:21):
will save that for later on in the show. I
just it's already began. Kind of nick stop. The playing
games are fun to watch. It's great to see teams
were not aware of young men out there, you know,
doing their best to try to have a shot of
play of one seed and getting their doors kicked in. See,
I'm a Notre Dame guy. So the tournament for me
starts tonight. I don't know what you what you're rooting for,
(00:43):
but that's why I'll put it this way. I filled
out a bracket, but my oldest daughter was like, Daddy,
what are you doing. I said, I'm doing on a bracket.
What's a bracket. I started to explain it to her.
Shecause we gotta do one. So I go through it,
and honestly, I just I asked her. I said, here's
the match up, you know, Gonzaga versus whatever, sixteen see
their plane. She goes Gonzaga. Okay, cool, I started going through.
(01:06):
She actually made some really good picks, and on her own,
I didn't I didn't literally say anything else. She started
picking upsets, and then I think she has like San
Francisco making a run. So there you go, they make
a run. You heard it here first. But it got
to the point where I said, Okay, do you want
to stay up and watch the first game with dad?
Because she had picked Texas and m Corpus Christie, which
(01:28):
for anyone who watched, got off to a great start,
then hit some real rolls and obviously lost to Texas Southern.
So I believe Texas Southern was the chance to get
their doors beat in by Kansas. I digress. I made
her into an absolute monster. She has become a maniac.
She's like up and down screaming. She's cheering, she's excited,
then she's down, she's crying. There the whole thing was
(01:50):
just like a mixed bag of emotions. I literally created
a monster by teaching her about what March madness is.
We're one game into the thing, one game into it,
the country's next great sports better, Yes, there it is.
She's in. She is locked in and ready to go
absolutely next great sports better. Hey, you know what they
(02:11):
were walking to the club, all right, I think I
lost my first thirty. So she's got a ways to go.
But good for her. She didn't take Indiana. She did
take Indiana though, So listen that it's it's not all
bad we you know. I mean back at we were talking, uh,
you know, the kind of reminiscing before the show, LaVar
and I about the good old days when you would
fill it out by hand. I'm just saying like, yeah, listen,
(02:33):
I'm gonna I don't know about you guys, but I'm
also going to do one. I did one obviously for
our Fox Sports Radio dot Com Bracket Challenge, but I'm
going to do one by hand, just because you don't
want to feel like it's just gonna front. I'm not
putting anybody off the front street. I'm just saying this
is the way I operate, right. I don't have any
daughters stories about about brackets. You know, they barely talk
(02:55):
to me these days. They do their own thing. Um,
but I will say, the only way I do brackets
is by writing them the names in. I mean, that's
just that's just what feels right to me. I was
telling Joan is Brady. I'm like, you know, I know
I have a good time with you guys, but you know,
I'm an old man. Like you know, we have fun
like we're young, but you know I'm quite I'm aging,
(03:16):
so you know, I do things the old school way.
There's nothing wrong with old school though. Like sometimes I
put my my wallet in my sock, you know, stuff
like that. I still do old, old people's stuff. Man,
I appreciate that. So do you wear like white tube
socks with with with black shoes like you know sometimes
like yes, therapeutic shoes. Yes, he wears one at a
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time from what I hear, But again I don't know where.
But it's too really for a crank, that's all. That's
not what I meant. Listen, I was talking to, you know,
just to you know, hold me to clown, you know,
that was what I was referring to. This. Figured i'd
take it light this morning because I got dumped so
quickly yesterday. You know, I figured i'd be a good
guy today. That's two days, I think, right, it's been
two days and you've been gett dumped. Yeah, I mean,
(04:00):
I guess I've come in save Patty's week. You're not
the only person who feels like they're getting dumped. This
is their quarterback in the NFL. That's how you transition. Yeah,
that's how you transition. You'd like to thank everyone that
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has supported Brady Quinn that amazing transition. Yeah, to all
the people out there that believed in me. A tear
in my eye. Oh God, if I would have known
years ago, he would have gotten so good that he
would just veer off into this conversation like that smooth operator,
Brady Quinn. Yeah, and to the point, and um, listen,
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Baker Mayfield. We talked yesterday about the rumors and this
was early on that the Cleveland Browns are going to
be meeting with Deshaun Watson, and um, you know, we
weren't even sure whether or not that was legitimate or true.
It was true, It was legitimate, So so credit to
Aaron Wilson who was the first one to report on that.
And then, um, once that got out, you started to
(05:05):
hear other things come out, like Mary Kay Cabot, who
has had a back and forth contentious relationship with Baker Mayfield,
who reported that the Houston Texans don't want Baker Mayfield.
If that was going to be a part of a trade,
the Texans are like, yeah, we're not really interested. We'd
rather have a bunch of picks. So Baker Mayfield took
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to social media. Uh, he took to his Twitter, he
took to his to his Instagram. Uh, to give a
thank you to the city of Cleveland. Uh, you know
things like this. The past four years have been nothing
short of truly life changing since I heard my name
being called in the draft to go to Cleveland. Went
on to talk about the memories that he made with
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his family, and he said with you know, it's it's
no not by any means a goodbye or anything like that.
Don't don't read anything into it, but just sort of
a here's where we are, appreciation. There's some un certainty tweet, Yeah,
there's some uncertainty. But before all of this plays out,
I just want you to know from my heart, I
appreciate the city of Cleveland, and we see what happens
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from here to To sum it up, so, um, not
a not in a non awkward situation there in Cleveland
between Baker Mayfield and the Brown So what was a
drastic turnaround from what he was saying about the fan
base when he was playing through the season, hurt Um.
He was not singing this tune then, And boy, how
(06:31):
how things have changed. Remember when Mary Kay Cabot came
out with the report that because the Browns weren't getting
a long term extension done and Baker Mayfield fired back
and he was upset and he was frustrated about it.
And the reality is, Mary Kay Cabot has been an insider,
if you will, a local reporter there for decades and
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she is his dialed and is anyone else. Early in
Baker's career, she was doing more favorable reporting when maybe
some other people weren't. There was another, you know, local
beat guy who had a contentious relationship with Baker and
Tony Grossy that was well documented. And and the interesting
thing about it is, you know, Baker turned on Mary
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Kay Cabot when she was one of his biggest supporters.
So look, it's not surprised that she would come out
with the report that the Texans don't want Baker. As
I said yesterday, I got a sense from somebody I
talked to in Houston that they really like Davis Mills.
They do, and they want to see maybe where this
thing goes as they build out around him. You know,
Nikissario sees him more along the lights of a guy
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like Tom Brady, not necessarily saying he's Tom Brady, but
a guy who didn't play much at Stanford, was banged up,
was dealing with some other issues, and they feel like
with his intelligence, the way he plays the game, his
his overall abilities, he was one of the top recruits
coming out of high school in into college. They feel
like he's got a lot of that still in him.
So they feel like there's value there um in regards
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to Mayfield, though. It's just it's interesting how everything's changed
over the course of the past three months, right, or
maybe four or five now if you include the season
where he was upset about people taking shots at him
and upset with maybe the organization not giving him that
long term deal or you know, getting into those discussions.
And now it's like he's just appreciative to to be
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there because he doesn't know where he's gonna be thrown
two next, if the Texans don't want him, and then
we look at the other teams that are out there,
there's a chance he ends up somewhere else completely. Now.
I think the most interesting spot for him would be
the New Orleans Saints because I remember when he was
coming out, if you were to ask me to give
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him a comp my comp for him, even though it's
a different throwing motion, but given his size, given his
kind of pocket play, how accurate he was at Oklahoma,
I was like, Oh, he kind of reminds me of
Drew Brees, and so it would be interesting to see
if he didn't find his way down to that team
that roster. I know it's not Sean pay it's Dennis
Allen now, but if the if the Saints don't get
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Deshaun Watson and ends up being the Browns, or even
of ends up being someone else, you get the sense
that maybe the Browns just want to move on in general,
and maybe that's what they've communicated, or if they haven't,
maybe they have basically by saying, we're already looking at
your replacement now, and whether it's Deshaun Watson or not,
maybe we'd move on from you now because of what
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you said in regards to not getting a long term
contract in the prior months. See, I would love to
say what Baker did is a very passive aggressive approach,
which by by definition it was passive aggressive. But I
will I will also add to this warranted warranted. Even
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though we understand the business is the business, I think
at some point fans have got to understand that the
business of sport goes both ways. You can't be supportive
of of a team handling their business, but not a player. Now,
I wonder, with that being said, what is Baker mayfield
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next course of action? You gotta believe he's got his
agent active right now because you're heading into free agency.
That's a small window of time. Like the dominoes have
already fallen with with the first two quarterbacks, right A,
Rod goes back, Russ goes to Denver, So you've already
had things getting getting started, getting underway. You're seeing guys
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Randy Gregory now he's in Denver. So they're building a
super team in football in Denver right now. Um, Tampa
Bay filled a spot obviously, and and why would it
be such a bad thing for him to go down there? Grant,
he's under construct for for his fifth year for eighteen
millions something like that. But if you could figure out
a way of doing an extension there, and if arians
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does truly believe, because there was this rumor that Arians
really liked Baker Mayfield when he's coming out in the draft,
and and and and go. It's like, go and sit
behind him for a year and maybe see what happened.
There is no shame in sitting and learning from Tom
Brady and and getting building a rapport with with Byron Leftwidge.
And if Bruce Arians decides to continue to stay to
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build a relationship with I mean, they're the same type
of guy Arians and and Baker Mayfield, real spunky type
of dudes, you know. And what I do know is
and we we kind of alluded to this yesterday. The
relationship may have already had cracks in Cleveland between Front
Office and Baker Mayfield. But if they were cracks before,
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there's there there there, it's complete fractures now. So you
gotta believe at this point, what is Baker Mayfield's agent
going to do to combat or to address or handle
this scenario, Because in a way, Baker is actually in
a favorable situation, in a favorable position if they leverage
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this thing the right way. But it's going to take
some some methodical movement to do it the right way.
Give Mary Kay Cabot credit by the way, she doubled
down when he came out and and ran his mouth
and said no, no, no, this is BS and came
out strong. She doubled down, has been and has been
saying the whole time that Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefanski
haven't been seen ey'd eye, that he criticized the offense
(12:25):
publicly a couple of times last year. And so, I
mean when everyone wanted to say, including Baker Mayfield, no, no,
there's nothing to it. Uh, you know, and I think
it was who was the other quarterback, Brandon Weed and
who came and said, oh yeah, she tried to pull
the same thing with me. She's stuck to her guns
and said, no, I'm telling you this is true. I am,
I am, I reporting on this is accurate and uh
(12:47):
and here we are. So yeah, because she heard directly
from his camp. There are times when the stuff that
was she was reporting on, you're like, all right, it
could only have come directly from this person. So I
was percent in her camp on that in regards to
what she was reporting. And it's not it's thought that
wasn't sticking up for a you know, another Brown's quarterback.
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It's the fact that I knew exactly where all that
stuff was coming from, and he was upset that it
got out, you know, similar to Tom Brady's dad blaming
the media for why he retired for two months. But
you guys, if you guys maybe want to take from
an Ohio and maybe from a Cleveland Browns fan, because
I've got that's the thing about Ohio and and LaVar
knows this Pennsylvania too. There's a lot of hard working people.
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There's a lot of people who are already up, already working.
They're listening to us right now. One of my buddies
got up early today. First thing he asked me was like, Hey,
are you guys gonna break down this Baker you know,
Mayfield letter to the Cleveland you know Browns fans. I said,
you bet we are, Buddy, I go, what's your take
on it? You've got a better feel for it, you know,
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you got your your hand on the pulse of what's
happening that the Browns. And his response was, Baker's the worst.
They they kind of turned on him, and uh, he's
not that guy. He's not that guy. Not that he's
not that guy. This happens, this happens to be a
Polish pal of mine. Then it kind of sounds like Pittsburgh.
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It does, but they got a little more of that
to a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, that sounded Pittsburgh.
That's why we hate each other, but we love each other.
Does look kind of the same. Do you have a
really long last name? Well it ends at Ski. But
his question was and he goes, is he that guy
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if he needs a little elite receiver? He's like, what
else does he need? And I said, okay. I was like,
all right, I get you're making I said, up. I'm
not trying to, you know, counter you. I'm just asking,
you know, I'm asking how you feel about all this
just started talking like you when he was talking, I did.
It was like I felt like it was like when
you go to Jamaica for the first time. Everyone's like
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You're like, You're like, wait, why am I talking like that?
This is this guy, this Cleveland Browns fan of Polish descent?
Is he the same guy who happened to uh have
the real innovative idea of when you are drunk and
you need to use the restroom, you just sit backwards.
That is the way you can rest. That is what
I like to call I like to call polish engineering.
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When when you drink too much and you have the
opportunity with to sit on a toilet that has you know,
obviously a back to it, right if the field there
in the back, instead of sitting on it the normal way,
you sit on it backwards so you can rest on
top of the toilet in the event that you pass out.
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Great stories ever told. His final comment to me was, uh,
he goes. I don't know about Watson, but it seems
like he's better than bicker Mayfield and every way on
the field he goes off the field, though I don't know,
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it does just like man, I got a sneaky suspicion
he probably picked Kentucky to win the tournament. Correct. I'm
assuming that's probably That's probably the pick he made. This
particular individual, he would not do that because he's the
type that wants to be pleasantly surprised, so he would
he would rather pick him losing in the elite eight,
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and then it feels like it plays a factor in
to them actually finding their way to win it all. Hi, Jake,
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Maybe you know, the Atlanta Falcons are sitting around, going
(16:45):
to hold on a second, Tom Brady's back. The Carolina
Panthers have met with Deshaun Watson. The Saints have met
with Deshaun Watson. Well, we better do something. We still
got Matt Ryan, we were structured his deal. So the
Atlanta Falcons step right up now, Deshaun Watson from the
state of Georgia. Uh So, apparently it is everybody not
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named the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Cleveland in the
NFC South and the Cleveland Browns who all of a
sudden have interest in Deshaun Watson now that the the
legal portion of his issues have settled up a bit.
So there's that. I mean, well, I was gonna say,
it's like poking your head out, right. It's it's like
one person pokes their head out, It's like, oh wow,
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nothing happened. Nothing, Yeah, nothing happened. Okay, let me get
a little bit further out, get my body out like,
oh wait, nothing happened. All right, then let me let
me let me come a little bit further out. Now
I'm all the way out, I'm standing there, not in
my hole at all. I'm I'm exposed. Um WHOA, nothing happened.
So you know what happens. You look back in the
hole and you coast is Claire everyone it's good. And
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you start seeing everybody else come up out of the
hole and they don't even worry about poking their head
out making short safe because the first ones that went
out there made sure that well, they would have took
whatever the danger was that came their way if they
got their head knocked off. Nobody else is coming out
of that hole. Doesn't seem like there has been any
real backlash or any type of craziness surrounding Deshaun Watson.
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And and so now you're starting to see what I
kind of thought would happen. And probably what maybe Mullighetta
and you know the representation of Deshaun Watson hoped for
is that this situation is is an open situation for
him to leverage as much as possible, because there are
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going to be more teams interested in him than maybe
what originally had been thought or anticipated well, he had
a short list that he was only willing to go to,
you know, three teams or something like that a year ago.
Now that's since changed. There might be more interested parties,
but that doesn't necessarily mean that those are his you know,
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great a choices where he'd liked to guy. I think
the most interesting part about Atlanta and Cleveland, who got
involved both in the process yesterday in their due diligence,
is New Orleans and Carolina were the first. They were
the first to publicly put it out there, make it
known they're kicking the tires and all this. I mean,
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Carolina has been the entire time, even when Deshaun Watson
didn't want to go there, they were still public in
ways or reports came out that they were interested. It's
almost as if Atlanta and Cleveland, because Atlanta has Matt Ryan,
Cleveland has Baker Mayfield, they were a little more hesitant
where they didn't want to be the one of those
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first teams coming out and saying, yeah, we're in on
this too. They wanted to wait and see how the
Saints and the Panthers were perceived, and once the criminal
charges were dropped, and obviously Deshaun Watson, who you know
played the fifth I believe yesterday in regards to his
desk deposition, which he was advised to by his attorney.
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Most people are in that position, um once he you know,
played the fifth to that, and there's not much more
out there. I think you're looking at people saying, Okay,
we feel comfortable enough and now to make it public
that were interested and then we've got to figure out
this civil portion of it. Are we going to have
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to deal with this when you get here or are
you're gonna settle because we've we've already talked to the Texans.
We've already given them our draft compensation, our trade proposal,
which is obviously why these four teams are talking with
de Sean. That was one of the more interesting things
that came out last night was the fact that they're
all I mean, they're all talking under the guys of
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we've got a trade in hand with Houston right now.
Now it could vary depending on each team, but that
now it comes down to the team and how comfortable
they feel with Watson with where he's at, but also
how these elements are gonna work out, which I assume
that's what is going to happen here in the coming
weeks in order to satisfy any team that's willing to
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trade for the Shawn Watson. It's uh, the whole situation
is fascinating. I can't recall another situation in the NFL
ever like this where a guy goes through all the
legal issues, yeah, and then all of a sudden gets
to pick where he plays football next, like like he
went from potentially losing like he he went from losing
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his career to nah, I don't think I want to
play for you. No, no, only you can talk to
me now. Like, And it's not like he's innocent of that.
Nothing happened here. It's just that, you know, they didn't
find enough, you know, criminal evidence to charge him on
the criminal side of things. It's just I don't recall
this ever happening ever before, where this guy has this
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much power coming off the year that he just had
and not playing the entire season last year. It's a bizarre.
There are interesting twists and turns to connected to this
this Deshaun Watson's story that that is for certain, But
make no mistake about it, there have been a lot
of interesting scenarios that have played out in terms of
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personal conduct and whether you were guilty or innocent, and
you know, innocent until proven guilty or whatever whatever you
I mean, you could go back to two thousand and
think about it. You could go back to that super
Bowl that took places in Atlanta and then the very
next year the guys the m v P of the
Super Bowl and the Super Bowl Champion. Like, there have
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been plenty of stories that have been uh, very very
provocative and and and polarizing figures and and pieces of
of things that have come out during the history of
of this game. But I'll say this, this is a
very intriguing scenario in situation with Deshaun because you know,
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you start to ask yourself in terms of public opinion
or even as it applies to you know what what's
still to come with the civil suits that that may
take place. Um, is there still the chance that something
(23:21):
surfaces that, like, you gotta believe that there are some
people that are very well, you gotta know that there
are people that are very very very upset looking at
Deshaun Watson being in the situation, in the scenario that
he's in, and and you just start to ask yourself,
is there anything that could possibly derail what seemingly now
(23:47):
becomes a much smoother approach to to his next phase
of his career. That's to me, that's what's in my mind.
That's what's kind of percolating with me, is that there's
somebody out dude, They're like, nah, no, no, no, no,
he's not Nope, I ain't gonna let that. It's not
gonna slide. I'm not gonna let that go that way.
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And I just wonder how much how far that may go.
I think it's gonna be interesting to see when there
is a settlement, because there there will be what sort
of languages within it. If there is a nondisclosure agreement.
It was rumored that Deshaun Watson didn't want it because
he will have to talk about it with whatever team
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he goes to play too next and he wanted to
be able to clear his name. Again, not a legal
expert in anyway, but I would imagine that his attorney
wouldn't advise that only because if then he doesn't have
to sign a nondisclosure agreement, and if there's the potential
that they don't have to either, right, then they can
make what happened in all the public as well. Now,
(24:51):
people might out there that are legal experts say, well,
there's no way that they would be able to explain
their side of the story and receive a portion of
the settlement. But if you're Tony Buzzby and you're representing
twenty two different individuals that are suing for this, and
Deshaun Watson can speak his piece, but you know, you're
you know, the the obviously the victims are alleged victims can't.
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I don't know that that's such a free deal. But
maybe he doesn't care at the end of the day,
and maybe they just want to pay out and that's
how they want this thing to proceed. So it's gonna
be interesting to keep an eye on that, just to
see to the LaVar's point, like, what else could become public? Well,
if if this thing gets settled, but there's no nondisclosed
agreement between both parties and they're both able to speak
their mind and we find out more from that, that's
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what could become public and could be interesting. I just
assume everything becomes public. Now we've seen it so many
examples of well this was you know, gonna be kept quiet.
Like if you want to go all the way back
to you know, details from the Kobe Bryant case that
came out, you know details from like Ben Roethlisberger, like
all these other issues that have popped up. We we
(25:55):
find out ultimately it maybe a few years down the road.
The Tom Brady deflate gates off. It was a few
years down the road. We found out details that we
didn't know at the time. So I just assume something's
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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast Right now,
we welcome in the Great. Petros papadicis co host of
the Petros and Money Show on the Blowtorch AM five
seventy l a Sports also a Fox Fox College football analyst,
and he is a tradition on this show every single Wednesday,
Petro's good morning, how are you? How are we feeling
(27:03):
here a day before St. Patty's Day? I know you're
gonna get fired up. Uh, we have a show tomorrow,
like live. We've been hooked out, probably because they were scared.
I think they were scared that that the baseball season,
the lockout was gonna go longer, and they needed some profits. Hey,
you know, like Bob Marley said, how long can they
(27:26):
steal our profits? So they sent us out to the
Hollywood Park casino. So I'm gonna be uh just real
jackass tomorrow. Now are you drinking? Are you drinking on
the air while you're getting hooked h you know? I
mean I explained this to somebody yesterday who wasn't mccronin
(27:48):
two days ago, where Mick was like, how come you
guys just don't drink while you're doing the show. It
sounds like and it I was like, you know, we
used to, but that's a young man's game, and not
because like, oh my god, drunk on the air. It's like,
who cares it sounds drunk on the air anyway, But
it's it's the indigestion. You know, you start, you know,
(28:08):
we're talking three hours. Well, you know you just when
you say, when you have to constantly talk and pedal
the bike for three hours and talk at a high
level and scream like Louis Armstrong playing the trumpet, because
that's the level of art we do in great sports
talk radio. But when you do that, you know, it's
(28:29):
not like you're settling down and able to really enjoy
your liquor or your beer. Uh, it all ends up
very high in my esophagus, and uh, it's just it's
not worth it. I have indigestion for the rest of
the nime. So I mean I can drink during the show,
but slowly and not with the same kind of gusto
that I would normally be attacking the alcohol, punishing the
(28:52):
liquor pops. They're they're looking to get Deshaunt Watson and
in Cleveland, Who's day him? They they Cleveland. You're trying
to get them there too. No, I don't care. Uh,
you got it on the Triple, the Flying j or whatever.
Jimmy has Yeah, you got it, Jimmy Haslett. If you
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had to give a your best argument for Baker Mayfield
to be okay with this even if Deshaun Watson doesn't
end up coming there, what what would that be? What?
What would you say to Baker Mayfield because he's saying
his goodbyes even though he ain't went nowhere. You know,
I don't know when when it happened that. I mean
(29:39):
when it became like an eighth grade or high school
relationship or you know, asking somebody to prom with pigeons
and balloons and all this crap. I mean, it's business,
you know, and it's not pretty all the time, and
but you have to do your due diligence and explore
what your options are if you or in charge, if
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you're Baker Mayfield, if you're anybody. I mean, look at
the Russell Wilson thing that just happened. I mean, there's
more than one NFL team out there, and it's highly
unlikely that anybody's gonna play their whole career anywhere. Uh
you know these stories of where and I say this
all the time, and we had another example of one yesterday.
You know, football at any level whenever, if you're good
(30:23):
enough to play in college and all that, it's not
gonna end pretty for you. I mean it's not. If
you give your life to football, it's probably not gonna
end on the field the way that you wanted it to. Uh,
there are very few stories. There's Jerome Bettis, there is
stray Hand. There is Elway, who looks like he could
(30:46):
suck a whole cigarette that's thirty ft long in one drag.
I've seen always suck a cigarette in one drag outside
the Agua Calli and take casino in Palm Spray, And
you know, I had, you know, it was late at
night and I was I'm not a casino person, and
I was coming out of the casino and I was like, damn,
(31:07):
that's John Elway. Wow he's smoking whoa. That is the
longest drag of a cigarette. I've ever seen anybody taking
my whole life. And I'm Greek. I couldn't not. His
lips went like his cheeks went in like a porn
like he was just like like he just sucked that nicotine.
And I was like, damn, I guess it didn't end
(31:28):
pretty for ailway, but either way, he walked off the field,
you know, as the champ, and you know, and not
even like and that's not even the ultimate, Like most
of us would just have liked to walk off the
field on our own terms, right, And nobody gets that.
Nobody gets that, so all of a sudden, I mean,
(31:48):
I know that it's like we must protect this house,
and you do all the commercials and all that cool stuff,
but you know, you're still just a football player. Don't
fool yourself into thing king that you're more than you are,
you know, and the secment they talk to somebody, you
have to write this heartfield Instagram thing and I heard
Eddie talking about it, and then you gotta walk it
(32:08):
back because nobody can understand what you're trying to say.
And I think it's a double edged sword. I think
football players and athletes in general and just people, I
guess have just got paper thin skin. Now we all do,
I guess to a certain degree, because everything is right
in our face right after it happens, and we're super raw,
and then there's nothing private anymore. Like if you have
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these great feelings of gratitude, call somebody and tell them, like, hey,
Aaron Rodgers. If you want to say something nice to
Shleeene Woodley, call her up right. If you want to
tell your wife what a great person she is and
what a wonderful anniversary or whatever, tell her that right.
Don't post it on social media with twenty pictures, as
(32:54):
if that's some kind of validation. You know, whatever happened
to having, like, I mean, even people's relationship with God.
Like everything, any relationship anybody has, people feel like it's
not a relationship unless you are, like the band leader
in one of the historic Black College is doing high
stepping with like three freaking uh batons. Like, unless you're
(33:18):
doing that dancing around and doing flips and freaking out
in front of people, it's almost like you don't have
any relationships. And it's like some of that stuff should
be private to me. And maybe I'm from a different
era and and you know, I mean, everybody just rushes
emotionally to Instagram or whatever to send these long, lengthy,
(33:38):
dumb ass posts that they think are poignant. But hey,
you ain't William Wordsworth. You're not that good of a writer.
Keep it to yourself. I mean, you're only gonna end
up looking stupid later. And you know it happens so
fast that no one even remembers. But anyway, those are
my feelings. I think it's just way, way too much
from everybody. Bravo Petros, I feel the exact same way.
(34:02):
I feel like those you know post those comments, those
it's all for everyone else. It's not for usually the
person that's actually intended for. But I didn't want you
to know. I've actually broken down the John Elways cigarette
drag in his anatomy because I actually saw something similar
when I was with the Broncos. Yeah, when we were
(34:23):
in London, I saw him take a drag of a cigarette.
I thought the same thing. I was like, damn, I mean,
he could be he could have been the Marlboro Man
if he wanted to the Marlboro Man. My god, he
could be Debbie does Dallas. There to sup that much
nicotine out of that little space. The filter, with the filters,
(34:45):
here's what makes it all possible. He's got a barrel chest.
He's one of those dudes who has like the big
old barrel chest and the long capacity. Maybe you could
think it's on Denver Petros. Somebody else has to light
it though, because the bomb is so big. What did
(35:06):
you guys make of the whole tom Brady coming back
out of retirement? What was he? Was he ever retired
in the first place? I guess not. I mean, look,
I when Eddie was doing his report, and thank god
for that, Otherwise I wouldn't know anything about every week.
If Eddie doesn't do his report, I don't know. I
mean I just go on the show talking to air.
(35:26):
But when he said he was looking, I knew Tom
Brady when I was in college, and he was a
dork and he still is. I mean, none of us
ever wanted to be around him. He was a dork
with a concave chest, and I just not a barrel chest,
not a barrel chess. He probably can to be tracked
on a signal please Marlboro Ultra lights just buckling. But
(35:53):
give when he said, like, obviously his success and and
everything he's accomplished has been mind boggling to many of us, uh,
who are from the same era. And just the fact
that he said, like six years ago, oh, I'm gonna
play till I and I think I said on the air,
(36:13):
like who's gonna want you? You know, I mean, no
one wants a forty five year. I mean, it boggles
the mind and it really bucks any kind of football convention.
And there is such a thing as staying too long
at the carnival, if you know what I mean. And uh,
(36:35):
it kind of feels like he is he's pretty bent
on doing that. But I would have never thought that
any of this would be possible. I mean, all of
this is just it just is crazy on top of
crazy on top of just something we may never see again.
Or maybe this will be kind of a new model
(36:56):
for athletes and the way they take care of themselves
and quarterback can get rid of the ball or anything
like that. Just don't look for any forty five year
old will linebackers any times? Petros So before Yeah there
is how long is he still played on? Still playing? Sam?
(37:19):
When did London Fletcher walk away? Like not that long ago?
A couple of years ago? Maybe it's been a while?
Um was it? Like time is a flat circle? Yeah? Whatever,
who cares? Petro's we gotta ask you this before we
let you go speaking to somebody who defies you know,
(37:40):
time and age and all that. You know that you've
been hot on the coverage of Lebron James and just
this this phenomenal Laker team from this year. Just your
thoughts on some of the coverage recently of Lebron James
in the Los Angeles Lakes. You know, I don't want to,
you know, upset anybody. It just feels it just feels.
(38:00):
I know that this guy has been scrutinized since he
was fourteen, and everything he does is like social media,
post to your wife. So there's a lot of drama
and there's a lot of pop and circumstance, and who
could blame him? I mean it's hard to put yourself.
I used to say this about Kobe, you know, especially
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when it was going through the trial and all that,
and they were like, you know, a jury of his peers.
It's like, who's his peer? You know? These basketball players,
these one or two or four or five guys who
were so globally recognized, are really really just pumped up
by our society. I mean it's hero worship to the
(38:41):
twentieth degree. But when you lose by thirty. There was
the greatest meme on Twitter the other day and it
was picture of Lebron and Westbrook and Carmelo Anthony and
it said, if you don't love me down by thirty.
Then you can't love me down by man, And you
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know that's really the funny part. It's like you watch
these Laker games and because it's so funny, I told
you how I do it, I just leave it on
because just to watch them fail. And Bill McDonald there
played by play guys like oh no defense, oh you know,
students like and they're down by Laker Basketball Network. Just listen,
(39:26):
and I just love it. It's just a cacophony of failure.
And then you check Twitter after the game and it's
like a giant sparkling brown and like Lebron dud he
kept his stats going. It's like, yeah, well you went
down twenty, he came out of the game, the other
team stopped playing defense, and then Lebron goes in and
course thirty and every look and obviously he's great. Obviously
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he defies all these things. He's I used to show
up at Staples Center when he was young, just and
I'm not that big of a live sports guy, but
I'd used my media credential because I want to watch
this guy explode to the basket. I've never seen anything
like it, and I mean, he's a phenomenon. There's no
doubt about it. But whoever handles his career is an idiot.
(40:14):
And this has been happening for a long time. I'm
sure people in Cleveland and Miami and all this can relate,
but I don't think that. And I think even Laker
fans have really come to this, even the most illusional
Laker fans, who would root for you know, Paul pot
if he was playing point guard for them, But I
think even Laker fans at this point are kind of like, yeah,
(40:35):
this is not a likable guys, this is not a
likable team. This is not the Lakers, this is not
this is not a recognizable product. And there's just a
mercenary kind of vibe about it. And it's ugly. I mean,
it's ugly, but the national media doesn't care. I mean,
I mean, it's kind of like when the Clippers had
(40:56):
Lobs City. Nobody in town cared, nobody, but every night
was highlights of Chris Paul and Blake grab DeAndre Jordan,
you know, national highlights. At least they would win. I mean,
this Laker thing is their national highlights of a team
that lost by thirty for a guy who's you know,
chasing this record of chasing that record, and it kind
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of we always wondered the last couple of years, like, oh, wow,
Lebron's really playing the whole game, and while they're losing,
but Lebron is still in there. It's like, yeah, he's
chasing Kareem. That's what it's about. And uh, I don't know.
I just think ause stat grab is kind of ugly.
It's you missed one key element. When you're throwing to break.
As part of the Lakers broadcast, right after Stews sign
(41:39):
out going to break, it's usually a Tito's Tacos commercial.
I thinking about cal Worthington Ford. That's why all Laker
fans way about four eight pounds Tremorisas of course the
three to night everybody's getting too toggle from through. They
(42:00):
used to be chillupas uh if they scored a London
or something and there'd be a riot. You know, they're
like ninety nine and they're dribbling it out on people. People.
You thought they burned down the gas station when they
won the champion And by the way, that was outside
after they had a Hollywood hot dog, one of those
Bacon Raft hot dogs outside the dog. Yeah, I was
(42:21):
I was I'm doing some work for the Kings, and uh,
I swear I am. I'm back at Staples or Crypto
or whatever they call it now. And I was walking
out of there the other day and I was just
pubic hair away from pulling the trigger. But now the
danger dog people have wheels, so you can't keep them
down many so if the cops come and try to
(42:41):
move them, they just they roll their grill like five
feet over. What now? What a late hay pac Man,
I'm a hot dog vendor Dad. It is pet Ris,
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