March 31, 2022 • 40 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington aren’t surprised by Bruce Arians retirement but wonder how much Tom Brady played a role in it Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer gives a behind the scenes look into Bruce Arians' retirement, Deshaun Watson’s first week in Cleveland and the contract negotiations for Lamar Jackson. Plus, the BQ News.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas knocks
on sports radio. We are coming in hot with some
of the entertainment in studio here. Thus far is a
degenerate movie watchers. Well, in his defense, that is, uh,
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it is spring break. A lot of schools out there.
You're clearly up on what's going on. Then, yes, okay,
there's you guys remember your spring breaks? Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I want to talk about that like you. I don't
know why I remember mine. It's because I didn't really
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get to take any man. It was it was always sports.
It was always we always said baseball. I remember getting
chewed out by by baseball coach one time. We had
like a tournament Toledo, Ohio, and they had brought me
into relief pitch and it was like we were in
a tough spot. Um, we didn't I didn't allow any runs,
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a score, got out of the inning. But he was
he was more frustrated that My first question I asked
him when I came off the mount was, um, hey,
am I hitting? Because we had had a d h
with that particular deal. And he went on this tirade,
threw a bat on the ground, dog cussed me out.
Everyone's gonna sitting there watching, and so I went down
and sat in the dugout, didn't say a word, and
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everyone's kinda looking at me, and I'm sitting there. I go,
I go watch this. And so the other team obviously
is on the mound getting ready and they're waiting for
a batter, and I just sit there and I looked
at him and I was just like, that's why because
I was the first batter up in the next inning
and I had always hit which most of our pitchers,
there's only a couple of us that hit most of
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the d H if we or I got DH four
if we could. And so we sat there and there's
like an awkwardness for about fifteen seconds with the umpires
asked where the battery is and he doesn't want to
admit that it was a legitimate question. He was wrong.
So how diddress though? How old are you there? I
was a sophomore. Even at that age, you were given
high school in high school about your college. Given his
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coach's attitude, college spring breaks, no college spring breaks. I
had a high school girlfriend. You know, we would go.
I got usually try to go see her or go
back home or something like that. We haven't. I don't
have much money that just spent around and do a
fun trip like that. So yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't
as as fun or entertaining as I as I. I
think other people have had a high school girlfriend too. Yeah,
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still on shopping, I guess because I was. Yeah, that's
a that's one way to put it. Uh and uh,
we are enjoying whatever the hell this is. There's a
lot going on in the studio. But we have talked
about the wild off season. But sure is it's highlighters
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with a couple of curs um. We have. We have
talked about the wild off season of the NFL thus
far and right, when you think, all right, you know what,
we've seen it all. We're just gonna get to the
draft and everything will go from there, then all of
a sudden, another one pops up. Yesterday, Bruce Arians the
now former head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, super
Bowl champion head coach one Super Bowls as an assistant
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as well too. He has announced his retirement, effective immediately.
He will take a front office consultant position with the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Todd Bowles has now been named the
head coach of Tampa Bay. The defensive coordinator they teared up,
tore up his contract. He gets a new five year deal.
So now we've got a brand new head coach in
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the NFC South, with Tom Brady returning and some people
trying to tie the two together as being uh well,
maybe one led to another here when it comes to
that storyline in Tampa Bay. So there it is, have
fun with all you guys. Gonna ask you guys. Didn't
we hear rumors that Bruce Arians is gonna step down
after this past season and um, either Todd Bowls or
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Bio and left fist was going to take over. Did
we hear rumors of that at one point? Yeah, That's
why I don't understand why people are are making the
rounds go and try to tell you so, what do
you mean? Bruce Arians tried to tell you so. He
said it after they won the Super Bowl. The only
reason he was coming back is because his coordinators are
coming back and the feeling was and even said it
in his statement afterwards. If he wasn't leaving now he
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was going to leave next February. Anyways, it's not it's
not that surprising at him that the question here, does
this now justify why Tom Brady retired so quickly? That's
the first thing that came to my mind. So you
think they did have issues and that I mean, and
and maybe the issues weren't so bad where you can't
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transition into the front office for a little bit as
a consultant to make sure that the team is is
running correctly and doesn't lose. Basically totally, the essence of
it is that you've built. But if if I'm Tom
Brady and I retired the way that I retired, no
one felt as though the retirement was the right way
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to retire. I mean, it makes you feel like was
this was this a power struggle and it's like, all right,
well I'm gonna retire and I'm I'm not coming back.
It's either me or it's him. And then they come
back to him, they say, well it's him, like he'll
he'll step down, you come back, He'll step down. That
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that to me, that's maybe that's just how my mind works,
but it just made me feel as though, Okay, this
is why he retired, so abruptly it was to either
I can stay retired or Bruce can step down and
and basically we can run this team the way that
basically this says to me, tom Brady runs Tampa Bay.
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It is t b uh and it's not Tampa Bay.
It's it's a Tom Brady, it's Tampa Bay. The timing
of it, I I find um really interesting and unique
and savvy on the part of Bruce Arians. Bruce Arians
has been one of the more inclusive head coaches as
far as um, you know, including a diverse staff, UM,
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hiring you know, females to his staff as well. He's
he's been all of that um really throughout the course
of his career. The timing is interesting because that's the
start of the new league year. He could step down
like this and they can elevate Todd Bowles in the
head coaching job. Boom, He's got it immediately. They don't
have to worry about now like Tampa going on a
head coaching search and Todd Bowl's not getting that job.
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So it's a pretty sly move by Bruce Arians to
get Todd Bowls into that position to continue to um,
you know, create more diversity within the NFL like this
is a man in power who had the ability to
do what he's done to help elevate one of his
coaches that has been a previous head coach. I don't
know how many opportunities Todd Bowls has got to interview
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in the past. I think last year he might have
had a couple. I know Byron left, which obviously we
talked about Jacksonville. I mean, we thought that was a
done deal if not for Trent Bulky standing in the way.
So this is an example though, of Bruce arians taking
things into his own hands and saying, like, look if
even if that scenario had played out with Tom the
way you know LaVar explained, there's still that element of
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he knew what, he knew how he was going to
do it to ensure that one of his guys got
elevated into that position. And there couldn't be a scenario
where the Glazer fan would say, Okay, we gotta open
this back up to a coaching search, at least not
this time of year, not now. Todd Bowls is the
head coach, and if I guess that they wanted to write,
they could maybe after the season, but I'm I'm sure
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they knew all of this was was gonna happen the
way they needed to happen. I don't think that it
was a sinister as people are making it out to be.
There's people making it out to be that Tom Brady
it was him or me. He threw down the ultimatum
and the Buccaneers chose Tom Brady over Bruce Arians. I understand,
but but people are aggressively saying that is no. I
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just don't agree. I think it's not like they fired it.
It's not like they it's not like they fired him
and and all of a sudden he's looking for a job.
He took a front office role, he's still with the organization.
What I think happened is those guys maybe butted heads.
Towards the end of the season, tom Brady was frustrated
and he was considering coming back, and Bruce Arians gave
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him the heads up and said, hey, I understand there's
been some issues. Don't worry about it. There's a plan here.
Todd Bowles is going to be taking over as head coach.
If it was a him or me approach to all this.
Bruce Arians strikes me as the type of guy who's
stubborn enough to say, well, f him, I'm gonna stay
here like you want to retire. You don't want to
be here. If I'm not here, fine, don't be here.
I just don't. I don't think it's as harsh as
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everybody's making it out to be. Is staying there to
some degree, right, I mean the interesting thing about all
this is, I mean, I guess it's a it's a
consulting role. He's not staying within the legitimate front office, right,
like if that they had worked out a deal. Because
because here's what's spawned or spuned off, spun off of
this everyone in Miami now because of the rumors about
Tom Brady and Sean Payton, which that ships sailed, right, Uh,
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Mike McDaniel is the head coach. Uh, Sean Payton. I
believe it's gonna get into broadcasting. I'm not sure where
that's at now. And then Tom Brady decided to come
back and he's coming back for Tampa, so that ships sailed.
But there's a lot of people in Miami who still
think that all the moves they're making, whether it's on
the old line or you know, getting Tyree Hill and
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trying to build up this roster has more to do
with the Dolphins getting Tom Brady and trading for tom Brady. Well,
the interesting part is, I would think, like Bruce arians
is now taking on this role in the front office, well,
I mean he already set with the asking price no
five first round picks or whatever you threw out there.
I'm not sure it's exactly that, because tom Brady's got
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one year left on his deal and there's a lot
of speculation this could be the last deal. But even
if there was that disagreement between the two and Bruce
is like, no, no, no no, no, no. You think I'm
gonna step down and I'm just gonna let you walk
away from one of the guys I elevated to be
the head coach, No chance in hell. So I still
don't think there's a chance that the Tampa Bay Bucks
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trade away now Tom Brady to the Miami Dolphins and
all that, even though I know that rumor continues to
circulate in Miami. I know it continues to keep, you know,
getting tread to a degree, But you'd think that to
the point of LaVar or Jonas, I'm not really sure
which side. I think I know which side Lavars I'm
not sure about Jonas. If there was a disagreement, you
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would think this would help clear things up, right, But
this would make it worse and make it better. So
there wouldn't be a reason for Tom Brady to want
to go to Miami outside of Steven Ross. The Michigan
connection kind of Again, people keep thinking that there's just
like Mario Lemieux type deal going on, where you know,
Brady comes to Miami and he gets a a my
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minority ownership steak in the team, which I mean, look,
maybe that's gonna happen at some point or someday, right.
And the only reason I say that is because you
look at the deal with Deshaun Watson just got and
there's obviously a lot of owners that are happy about
him getting it given his situation off the field, not
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playing last year and telling the Texas he wasn't going
to before all that started, and he gets that record
breaking deal. So if that can happen, I mean, yeah,
Steven Ross might say, yeah, I'm gonna give him a
minority ownership steak, um, and and that's how this is
gonna work. Think that is legal to do that? Isn't that?
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Because I had that conversation before and they said in
the c B A, you're not able to negotiate it
that way. I don't think you are, but I think
you could have like a wig wig nod NodD type
of deal though. All right, I mean, I know Bruce
Arians came out and said it has nothing to do
with the whole Tom Brady coming back thing, but I'm sorry,
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you can't convince me that his the way he retired.
Everybody said it like that, that was like that was
a It pains me to say this because I said
that he had two brilliant of a career to pump fake,
but he pumped faked, and he pumped fake to leverage
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whatever he was going to leverage, which was he probably
did not want to deal with Bruce Arians as his
head coach this year. I mean, that's it. I mean,
you got a team that's still in position to compete
for the NFC and possibly for a Super Bowl. Like
the pathway seems clear. You don't know. Let's be be
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clear on this. Top Bowls did not have a successful
run as a head coach. In fact, it was very bad.
So the idea of it is I don't think I
thought it was bad pull up his record, pull up
his pull up his final season record. Pretty certain usually
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it's bad. Ok. Well, I think he started off ten
and six and then when I went downhill and with
the Jets, seventeen. Yeah, come on, that's a super super
there's a statue of part of that stadium now. Always
it was more the fact that he followed up with
to five and eleven seasons. Yeah. But but but those
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right there, that's fourteen wins. I mean, we're going to
criticize him from fourteen wins. I mean, that's irrelevant. Here's
the thing. I think that that's the reason why you
keep Bruce various and they've been even double ditch of wins,
is that the last time I was probably time. Yeah,
that that would happen to be an accomplishment. Come on, LaVar,
it's it's the first, you know, it's it's the first
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head coach there with a winning record that doesn't have
a foot fetish in Jet's history. So I think that's
that's telling you something. Oh my god, No, no, no,
that's what I think. They kept Bruce arians because they
don't want it to get messed up. They just don't
want him close enough where there's there's beef between him
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and Tom Brady. Do you really think that that it
was him or me? I just I find that hard
to believe. Why. I just I don't. I don't think
Brady takes that approach. I think they probably had a
conversation because there was this other There was a report
that came out that said Brady either knew the day
of or the day after he decided to come back. Well, yeah,
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I'm assuming he would want to know who the head
coach is going to be. I'm assuming he'd want to know, Hey,
what's the plan coming back. I just find it hard
to believe that he would say I'm out of here,
unless Bruce even have to be a conversation. If that
wasn't a point of contention, they probably butted heads towards
the end. I'm not denying that, but I just I
don't think it was, like I said, as sinister as
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everyone's making it got to be sinister because he didn't
want to He did not want to play for Bruce Arians.
Bruce Arians just want a Super Bowl with them. He's
been a successful head coach, and Tom Brady saying I
want him out of here, I'm not coming back. That
sinister like that's pretty says yeah, I do like how
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what we do here? And so wait, you don't think
there's any chance Tom Brady did that. I mean, I'm
not saying it happened in New England necessarily, but that
didn't end well either. And I do feel like if
Bill Belichick would have stepped down, do you think Tom
Brady was leaving? Uh No, he probably would have stayed.
But but I just I don't think that it was
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this that he would go, that he would go to
management or ownership and say, what you try to imply here?
You know somebody's going to come in here and slap
you in the face to find me what sinister? Could
you um? Sinister? I just, I just I don't understand
why you have to take such a sinister approach over
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what's happening. How's your Thursday? Good? Good? How are you
guys doing. We're good. We're just hanging out and your
fresh from the league meetings. You are back back home
and probably cruising around to get a find a quiet
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place to do this call. But how was the family vacation? Oh?
It was great, It was great. They we had a
good time. We were in Jupiter for four days and yeah,
everything went pretty smooth. I got him on the plane
Saturday morning and then, uh, in the last four days
been sort of a testamin durance. But I'm still here.
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I'm still here. So Albert is there. So Bruce Arians
decides to step down. He takes a front office role.
Todd Bowles is the head coach. How much of Tom
Brady's wanting to come back to Tampa had to do
with Bruce Arians, at least giving the indication he was
no longer going to be the head coach there. Yeah,
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I don't know how much I had to do with
this decision, because I think a decision sort of came
down to the realization that if he was gonna play anywhere,
it was gonna be in Tampa. But I mean, it's
hard not to put some puzzle pieces together. You know.
Obviously he was over UM in England UM and at
a Manchester United game right before he made the decision UM,
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and there was friction between you know, Tom Adi and
Bruce Arians and Tom Brady, and I think you know
there was there was that there were just I think
some like a little bit of philosophical divide and how
I think Brady, uh, you know, had had seen things
done over twenty years in New England and then how
Bruce Arians did things. And I don't think it's necessarily
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like either guy doesn't like each other. It's just there
were some professional disagreements, and UM, what I don't think happens.
I don't think Brady stormed in anybody's office and demanded anything,
because I just I don't think that it's that's his
nature to do that. But you know, wasn't known that
that that that that things maybe weren't as good at
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the end of this year's as they had been a
year earlier. Yeah, sure, I think there was an acknowledgement
of that. And I also think that Bruce Arians is
being forthright when he said he wanted to provide the
opportunity to Todd Bowls. The idea of Bruce Arians handing
off the Buccaneers two Bowls actually existed before Brady was
even on the team, and some people in that organization
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during the playoffs last year thought, if the Buccaneers won,
then be a Wood handed off to Bolls. Now, obviously
I didn't happen, but you know, I think the people
in that organization beaut it is inevitable that at some
point Bruce was going to walk and walk away, with
the idea being the Todd Bowls would take over for him. Albert,
I want to follow up on something you just touched on.
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You mentioned, you know, playing somewhere else. So do you
give their I don't know. I guess credit to the
fact that maybe he did want to go to Miami.
What would that scenario only have worked out of Sean
Payton had been the head coach, as we saw reports
or rumors of earlier. What do you mean when you
said that, Um, you know, I think there was I
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hesitate Brady even call it a retirement. You know, I
almost think it was like a cooling off period. Um
of six weeks between you know, when the decision was
made in the middle of January and then when he
came back you know, in early March. And you know,
I think part of the process for him was going
through seeing what his options were gonna be. And you know,
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i'd even put San Francisco in front of Miami, like
I think San Francisco was was one that really appealed
to him. Um, He's got more relationships that San Francisco
organization than people might think. Um. And there was the
connection to West Welker a couple of years ago. Um,
you know, there was you know, part of the whole equation.
And so I think San Francisco was the one that
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sort of for a football standpoint, really appealed to him.
Now he does have a relationship with the owner um
in Miami, and and there's um, how would I put
some real estate relationships, um, you know with with Stephen Rock,
between Steven Ross and Tom Brady, UM that have existed
for a while now actually, and they obviously have the
Michigan connection too, So I think that's been somebody that's
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been on Ross's radar for a while. So I think
those are things that that Brady considered, and you know,
I don't think there was any mistake Brady that when
when the Buccaneers got to the combine, they were very
forceful in their messaging. And you heard Bruce Arians say
it it would take five first round picks to get
Tom Brady out of here. You heard Jason light say
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we're leaving the light on for him. You know, I
don't think there was any mistake. I think it was
a very direct message, in a very public message there
from the Buccaneers to Brady that if you're gonna play
anywhere in two it's going to be for us. And
I think him coming out of retirement when he did
was sort of a result of them going throughout him
going through that process and realizing the Bucks aren't gonna
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let me go, so I better get back because if
I'm gonna come back, I need to have all these
free agents the Buccaneers have coming back with me. And
he realized that he'd waited any longer, you know, maybe
Ryan Jensen and Carlton Davis and Leonard Fortnhite and all
those guys wind up leaving. He's coming back to a
shell of the team that that that that he was
a part of the last two years, and so I
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think now the door is probably shut, and now he's
going to be a buccaneer because he was such a
big part of recruiting those guys back. I do think
over time, Miami and San Francisco were on the radar.
How at what point do you think it was communicated
that this was a strong possibility that Bruce arians does
step down. I know, he comes out and says that
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Tom Brady's you know, retirement or coming out of retirement
has nothing to do with him going into retirement or
transitioning into the front office. But I mean, how much
how much merit is there to that, and and how
long do you think people knew? Because again, I just
find it curious that Tom Brady went into retirement the
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way that he did and came out of it the
way that he did. I mean, you know, I go far.
I've always I've sort of thought about this sum and
how forced the retirement look, you know what I mean,
I think Brady's dad even use that word like force,
like the media worst him into retirement. Um, you know,
there's been a part of me that wonders was that
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made to look forced? You know? Was that like intentionally
did that? Did they make that look that way intentionally
so people would sort of get off of Tom's back
for a little bit so he could let some of
these things play out. And I don't again, like, I
don't think like Brady stormed into you know, the Glazer's
office that you know, the Manchester United Stadium over in
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England in March and said I want to come back,
get him out of here. It's just not Brady's nature
to do that, you know. But again, I do think
like the friction that existed in that organization UM at
the end of the end of season probably played a
part in this. And I think for be a probably
looking at that and looking at where that was, and
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looking at where that had gone over the last two years,
and then looking at the opportunity to hand one of
the people whose closest to in coaching and taught Bowls,
and opportunity to hit the ground running with the greatest
quarterback of all time. To give that to Todd, I
think really appealed to be a too. So I don't
think it was straight line one thing or the other,
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but I think both pieces of that were factors and
and and getting us to where we are right now.
He's Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter at the m m QB.
Can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier joining us
here on two pros and a cup of Joe here
Fox Sports Radio. Um, all right, so you can take
this however you want to take it, in any direction
you want. Albert Dealer's choice. Uh, the Deshaun Watson situation.
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We've heard some of the leaks of the deposition he gave.
We heard his press conference in which he uh gave
some very puzzling answers as to why he had so
many massage therapists. And then we've heard some rumblings about
the contract that he got from people you talked to
while at the league meetings in Florida. What's the consensus
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on the whole Deshaun Watson situation, either his answers is
to what happened, or the contract he was given based
on everything surrounding him. Yeah, I don't think the answer
surprise anybody, because he's still in the man in the
middle of a legal situation, so he can't concede really
any guilt at all. And you know, I think if
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any sort of mea couple was coming, it wasn't gonna
be while the litigation is still going on. I also
think like people understood why the Browns answered the questions
the way that they did. Um, you know, look like
Andrew Berry got up there, and I know people wanted
to see if he would say I believe Deshaun Watson.
The problem is if he says that, then he's calling
the twenty two women liars. So he can't do that,
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you know, And so I think that's why he was
dodgy with those sorts of questions. And I think people
within the league with different teams understand that. Yeah, I
think the one thing that turned some people off was
the aggression with which the teams pursued Deshaun Watson. And
then you know, of course the contract and what it's
gonna mean going forward, you know, for teams like the
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Ravens with Lamar Jackson, the Broncos with Russell Wilson, the
Bengals with Joe Burrow, the Charges with Justin Herbert, like,
you know what this is gonna mean for the future
of contract negotiations and quarterback negotiations in particular. Um, you know.
The flip side of that is, though, guys like you know,
you see some teams that were interested in de Shaun
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Watson now sort of backing away and giving the Browns
a side. I and I kind of I don't know.
I look at that and I'm like, wait a second, dude,
Like a week ago, you were flying to Houston to
go meet with this guy, So don't freaking tell me
that you're disgusted by what's going on. It's like the
guy who gets rejected by the girl at the bar
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and then afterwards says that she's all right. I do
think it's a little different when you trade for the
guy and you're taking on what's happening off the field.
But then you trade for a guy and you give
him the largest fully guaranteed contract in NFL history. Like,
I'm sorry, I do have to make the differentiate, and
I'm I'm with other teams to look at it and
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go much like Steve Ashati, that's the guy we decide
to set that mark to pay over eighty million dollars
more than any other contract we've ever had. I just
I don't know. I I agree with I agree with that, Brady,
like I do think so like I think we can separate,
right there's the business part of it that like, I
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think you look at the business part of it, and
it's like I can understand where it's you know, the
competition for quarterbacks causes people to do these things, you
know what I mean, Like, if you've got a great quarterback,
I I get why teams that don't have one would
go to the extra mile contracts, we go and get one.
It's like what the Vikings do with Kirk Cousins. I
can also simultaneously agree that the optics of it are
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god awful, you know. And it's one thing to give
a guy a second chance, it's another thing to usher
him back in with I mean a I mean not
just the richest contract in NFL history, a landmark con
tracked a groundbreaking contract, you know, And so I think
as much as anything else, it just shows you how
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desperate teams that don't have one are to get one,
and how you know the importance that position, it's always
been the most important position, right, has been elevated to
this level where teams are willing to do these sorts
of things. Um, yeah, I'm with you on that. I mean,
the optics of it are really really bad. And how
you know not the teams would look the other way
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because the Browns did their homework. But how you know, really,
when you look at it, there hasn't I mean, he
lost the year of his professional life, so I'm not
gonna say there wasn't a price to pay, But the
fact that his re entry happens, it's way I can
understand where you would think, and I agree with this.
The optics of it are really really bad. You mentioned
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how important it is to get a quarterback through the
desperation of needing one, But what about the desperation or
the need to keep one? And and have you gotten
any indicators or any type of other narratives. Obviously Lamar
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Jackson comes out and and and spurns those who have
said that the narrative is that he wants out of Baltimore.
We know what's going on with the desaon or excuse
me that the Deshaun Watson contract. Where does this leave
Lamar Jackson and and the Ravens and their contract situation.
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I would say there are two things there, Um you
know LaVar. I think number one, the Ravens are being
very careful about this because they know how important trust is.
Um with Lamar Jackson, like how important that element is
with him, and they worked really hard to build that
relationship up with him UM over the years, and like
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this is a different type of negotiation because you're negotiating
directly with the player, and when there's any involved, things
can get nasty and the player never sees it right,
Like you can low ball a guy, you can play
all the negotiation games and like in the end everybody
can kind of shake hands and it's like nothing ever happened.
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When you're negotiating directly with the player, that makes it
more difficult. And so the Ravens have been really careful
to try to do what's right for the organization here
White and while walking that tight rope and trying to
maintain that trust with Lamar Jackson, which I think is
why you're hearing. They're putting it in his court and
they're gonna let him drive the negotiation and the urgency
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is going to be pushed by him, and so you know,
they really are very much waiting on him. They're willing
to do an extension with them. They want him their
long term UM. And how far are they willing to go.
I think it's unclear right now because the negotiation really
hasn't gotten to the point where, you know, anybody feels
like we're close to anything. UM, So it's gonna be interesting.
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You know, this is obviously fifth year option. There've only
been two quarterbacks who've played into their fifth year option,
guys who got in the first round since that system
went in UM in two thousand and eleven. And you know,
I think it's gonna be it's gonna be a fascinating negotiation,
and it's going to be interesting to see how the
Deshaun Watson contract may frame that negotiation going forward. UM.
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I think it's unpredictable right now, but I do think
there's a desire on the part of Lamar Jackson to
be a Raven and obviously, you know, I desire on
the part of the Ravens to keep Lamar Jackson. It's
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staff liked here's Brady quiz. Yeah. Well, let's start off
with a happy birthday to one Christopher Walking. Yes, The
Act of turns seventy nine years old today. Jonas, do
you have a Christopher Walking impression? I feel like everybody does.
Don't they know? I don't. I know He's the King
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of New York, but I don't have an in person
that this quarterback Brady Quinn. That's not bad. That's not bad.
All right, pretty good. I gotta I gotta work out
a little bit. I look like you said, everyone's got
a Christopher w I think I feel like everybody Christopher
walking impression on my back pone. You know his best
role was, and I think it's called the prophecy or
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he like he plays like I don't know, I don't
think he plays Satan or anything like that, but he like, uh,
he talks to this uh, to this guy, and he says, uh,
you want to know how you got that dent over
your top lip? See way the fact, way back before
you were first born, I told you a secret. And
then I put my finger there and I said, great
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movie man, the prophecy good sounds like, yeah, the prophecy. Yeah,
I think I think that's what's called. If it's not
home and um alright, uh, well, still very happy birthday
seventy nine years old. Uh. Obviously it's been a ton
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of fun to watch. But let's let's switch gears here.
Deutsche Bank. They made headlines this past week for well
getting rid of a group of bankers who expensed a
night at a strip club and then lied about it.
It wasn't for that much money, but there was one
loan employee who rated them out. It saved his job.
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The German financial giant launched an investigation after the bankers
tried to expense a tab for a single evening you
know of fun if you will. It topped over a
thousand dollars, which I mean, I'm surprised it's not more
when you're talking about bankers. But nonetheless, um, they went
to I guess Sapphi, New York on the Upper East Side,
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but they know they specialized in things like uh, you know,
body sushi of exotic dancers. Body. But anyway, um, yeah,
I mean it kind of an interesting story, kind of
brings the lights rap. Yeah that is so. I'm looking
up some pictures of old Sapphire in New York. Um
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kind of run of the mill, um, you know, I
mean strip club depressing on the outside during the day. Uh,
A lot of neon very strip club. Yeah there's uh,
I mean, it's you know, what you would expect. So
here's the thing. Had they not lied about going to
a strip club, had they just admitted, yes, we expense
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this at a strip club. But they've still been fired.
So here's here's what they tried to say. Okay, Sapphire,
New York on on the Upper East Side, it's uh,
it kind of operate a steakhouse. So three of the
bankers who got fired, they insisted that the tab was
run rung up at the steakhouse. And it was the
junior banker who confessed um that they had actually headed
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to the strip club, which now the junior bankers probably
no longer the junior banker by the process of elimination,
way ago. Junior banker by the way that rat, and
you know they're gonna get their ass beat right, Like
these guys are going to see him out, you know,
you don't think so. No, they're gonna come back and
and interview for a job and see if they can
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get back in. So do the interview. So the rat
was there with them, but because he admitted to it,
they found the week the weak link of the group.
And now that guy didn't have the credit card either.
That's why I snitched. I think you could look at
it this way too, because it's not like Deutsche Bank
suspended these guys or what they did and everything else
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it was because they lied about it, like they I mean,
obviously the junior banker went along with them to the
strip club, but that he is the only one to confess.
So in this case, instead of rewarding or saying to
them like, hey, we're firing you because you went to
a strip club and spent this money all the stuff,
it's more like, no, no, no, we're rewarding him because
he didn't lie, which they're not even condemning the actions.
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That's just a shame. I'm looking at right, I hear you, Jack.
By the way, I'm looking through some more stuff from
Sapphire here. Um said. It's named after multiple people that
work there that will definitely work. Um yeah, so um
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that definite all right. And the last one that used
to be a fun one. UM, a man's well, let's
just called his eggplant. It turns black and rots after
he injected it with cocaine. Oh that is so unfortunate. Yeah,
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the unfortunate part is thirty five year old unnamed man. Um,
he actually went through three days of excruciating pain that
obviously got worse. Um in his egg plant, if you will,
that went down to his right foot. That's the best
you got like egg plant, like you could't there's nothing
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else you could come up with, penis if I could
say the word. Okay, well, I mean I think most
people understand what the egg plant emoji stands. All right,
It's like, why would you be so careless with yourself?
Why not belt bat? Can't I ask you guys this? Yeah?
What what do you do after that? Like? How do
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you what do you do? How you move on that? Well,
so here's here's what end up happening. He obviously went
to the hospital. Uh, and he did admit to over
the past couple of weeks injecting cocaine into what it's
called the dorsal vein exists there on your Exactly what
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that is? Yeah, I mean I know I know where
it's at at some point, but it does travel along
the shaft and uh, clearly this third time around didn't
work out too well. Okay, I want to preface this
by saying, I'm not telling you or anybody listening that
this is actually what happened, but this is a rumor
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that has been out there that I know one other
person who had an issue at this all right, my
favorite professional wrestler of all time at least in the
top three ravishing Rick Rude. There is a rumor that, um,
he may may have injected some stuff into his downstairs bathroom,
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and um they had to remove everything, and that led
to yeah, it's just not not the portion of the
body in question here, and there was a rumor that
he did that. This rumor out there, and that led
to the removal of everything, thus leading to some serious
depression and maybe leading to his untimely death. He get
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the removal service. I don't think he wanted to. I
think it just went awry. Did he get his uh
situation were removed? Yea, he did not get it removed.
He actually even said he didn't want to get the
some of the tissue that was damaged removed, which and
an't coming back. So yeah, well, at least he still
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has something to egg plants. Yeah, at least, you know,
at least you'll feel good at the trough today a
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on sports radio. We are coming in hot with some
of the entertainment in studio here. Thus far is a
degenerate movie watchers. Well, in his defense, that is, uh,
(00:24):
it is spring break. A lot of schools out there.
You're clearly up on what's going on. Then, yes, okay,
there's you guys remember your spring breaks? Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I want to talk about that like you. I don't
know why I remember mine. It's because I didn't really
(00:46):
get to take any man. It was it was always sports.
It was always we always said baseball. I remember getting
chewed out by by baseball coach one time. We had
like a tournament Toledo, Ohio, and they had brought me
into relief pitch and it was like we were in
a tough spot. Um, we didn't I didn't allow any runs,
(01:09):
a score, got out of the inning. But he was
he was more frustrated that My first question I asked
him when I came off the mount was, um, hey,
am I hitting? Because we had had a d h
with that particular deal. And he went on this tirade,
threw a bat on the ground, dog cussed me out.
Everyone's gonna sitting there watching, and so I went down
and sat in the dugout, didn't say a word, and
(01:30):
everyone's kinda looking at me, and I'm sitting there. I go,
I go watch this. And so the other team obviously
is on the mound getting ready and they're waiting for
a batter, and I just sit there and I looked
at him and I was just like, that's why because
I was the first batter up in the next inning
and I had always hit which most of our pitchers,
there's only a couple of us that hit most of
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the d H if we or I got DH four
if we could. And so we sat there and there's
like an awkwardness for about fifteen seconds with the umpires
asked where the battery is and he doesn't want to
admit that it was a legitimate question. He was wrong.
So how diddress though? How old are you there? I
was a sophomore. Even at that age, you were given
high school in high school about your college. Given his
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coach's attitude, college spring breaks, no college spring breaks. I
had a high school girlfriend. You know, we would go.
I got usually try to go see her or go
back home or something like that. We haven't. I don't
have much money that just spent around and do a
fun trip like that. So yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't
as as fun or entertaining as I as I. I
think other people have had a high school girlfriend too. Yeah,
(02:38):
still on shopping, I guess because I was. Yeah, that's
a that's one way to put it. Uh and uh,
we are enjoying whatever the hell this is. There's a
lot going on in the studio. But we have talked
about the wild off season. But sure is it's highlighters
(02:58):
with a couple of curs um. We have. We have
talked about the wild off season of the NFL thus
far and right, when you think, all right, you know what,
we've seen it all. We're just gonna get to the
draft and everything will go from there, then all of
a sudden, another one pops up. Yesterday, Bruce Arians the
now former head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, super
Bowl champion head coach one Super Bowls as an assistant
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as well too. He has announced his retirement, effective immediately.
He will take a front office consultant position with the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Todd Bowles has now been named the
head coach of Tampa Bay. The defensive coordinator they teared up,
tore up his contract. He gets a new five year deal.
So now we've got a brand new head coach in
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the NFC South, with Tom Brady returning and some people
trying to tie the two together as being uh well,
maybe one led to another here when it comes to
that storyline in Tampa Bay. So there it is, have
fun with all you guys. Gonna ask you guys. Didn't
we hear rumors that Bruce Arians is gonna step down
after this past season and um, either Todd Bowls or
(04:02):
Bio and left fist was going to take over. Did
we hear rumors of that at one point? Yeah, That's
why I don't understand why people are are making the
rounds go and try to tell you so, what do
you mean? Bruce Arians tried to tell you so. He
said it after they won the Super Bowl. The only
reason he was coming back is because his coordinators are
coming back and the feeling was and even said it
in his statement afterwards. If he wasn't leaving now he
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was going to leave next February. Anyways, it's not it's
not that surprising at him that the question here, does
this now justify why Tom Brady retired so quickly? That's
the first thing that came to my mind. So you
think they did have issues and that I mean, and
and maybe the issues weren't so bad where you can't
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transition into the front office for a little bit as
a consultant to make sure that the team is is
running correctly and doesn't lose. Basically totally, the essence of
it is that you've built. But if if I'm Tom
Brady and I retired the way that I retired, no
one felt as though the retirement was the right way
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to retire. I mean, it makes you feel like was
this was this a power struggle and it's like, all right,
well I'm gonna retire and I'm I'm not coming back.
It's either me or it's him. And then they come
back to him, they say, well it's him, like he'll
he'll step down, you come back, He'll step down. That
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that to me, that's maybe that's just how my mind works,
but it just made me feel as though, Okay, this
is why he retired, so abruptly it was to either
I can stay retired or Bruce can step down and
and basically we can run this team the way that
basically this says to me, tom Brady runs Tampa Bay.
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It is t b uh and it's not Tampa Bay.
It's it's a Tom Brady, it's Tampa Bay. The timing
of it, I I find um really interesting and unique
and savvy on the part of Bruce Arians. Bruce Arians
has been one of the more inclusive head coaches as
far as um, you know, including a diverse staff, UM,
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hiring you know, females to his staff as well. He's
he's been all of that um really throughout the course
of his career. The timing is interesting because that's the
start of the new league year. He could step down
like this and they can elevate Todd Bowles in the
head coaching job. Boom, He's got it immediately. They don't
have to worry about now like Tampa going on a
head coaching search and Todd Bowl's not getting that job.
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So it's a pretty sly move by Bruce Arians to
get Todd Bowls into that position to continue to um,
you know, create more diversity within the NFL like this
is a man in power who had the ability to
do what he's done to help elevate one of his
coaches that has been a previous head coach. I don't
know how many opportunities Todd Bowls has got to interview
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in the past. I think last year he might have
had a couple. I know Byron left, which obviously we
talked about Jacksonville. I mean, we thought that was a
done deal if not for Trent Bulky standing in the way.
So this is an example though, of Bruce arians taking
things into his own hands and saying, like, look if
even if that scenario had played out with Tom the
way you know LaVar explained, there's still that element of
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he knew what, he knew how he was going to
do it to ensure that one of his guys got
elevated into that position. And there couldn't be a scenario
where the Glazer fan would say, Okay, we gotta open
this back up to a coaching search, at least not
this time of year, not now. Todd Bowls is the
head coach, and if I guess that they wanted to write,
they could maybe after the season, but I'm I'm sure
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they knew all of this was was gonna happen the
way they needed to happen. I don't think that it
was a sinister as people are making it out to be.
There's people making it out to be that Tom Brady
it was him or me. He threw down the ultimatum
and the Buccaneers chose Tom Brady over Bruce Arians. I understand,
but but people are aggressively saying that is no. I
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just don't agree. I think it's not like they fired it.
It's not like they it's not like they fired him
and and all of a sudden he's looking for a job.
He took a front office role, he's still with the organization.
What I think happened is those guys maybe butted heads.
Towards the end of the season, tom Brady was frustrated
and he was considering coming back, and Bruce Arians gave
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him the heads up and said, hey, I understand there's
been some issues. Don't worry about it. There's a plan here.
Todd Bowles is going to be taking over as head coach.
If it was a him or me approach to all this.
Bruce Arians strikes me as the type of guy who's
stubborn enough to say, well, f him, I'm gonna stay
here like you want to retire. You don't want to
be here. If I'm not here, fine, don't be here.
I just don't. I don't think it's as harsh as
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everybody's making it out to be. Is staying there to
some degree, right, I mean the interesting thing about all
this is, I mean, I guess it's a it's a
consulting role. He's not staying within the legitimate front office, right,
like if that they had worked out a deal. Because
because here's what's spawned or spuned off, spun off of
this everyone in Miami now because of the rumors about
Tom Brady and Sean Payton, which that ships sailed, right, Uh,
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Mike McDaniel is the head coach. Uh, Sean Payton. I
believe it's gonna get into broadcasting. I'm not sure where
that's at now. And then Tom Brady decided to come
back and he's coming back for Tampa, so that ships sailed.
But there's a lot of people in Miami who still
think that all the moves they're making, whether it's on
the old line or you know, getting Tyree Hill and
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trying to build up this roster has more to do
with the Dolphins getting Tom Brady and trading for tom Brady. Well,
the interesting part is, I would think, like Bruce arians
is now taking on this role in the front office, well,
I mean he already set with the asking price no
five first round picks or whatever you threw out there.
I'm not sure it's exactly that, because tom Brady's got
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one year left on his deal and there's a lot
of speculation this could be the last deal. But even
if there was that disagreement between the two and Bruce
is like, no, no, no no, no, no. You think I'm
gonna step down and I'm just gonna let you walk
away from one of the guys I elevated to be
the head coach, No chance in hell. So I still
don't think there's a chance that the Tampa Bay Bucks
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trade away now Tom Brady to the Miami Dolphins and
all that, even though I know that rumor continues to
circulate in Miami. I know it continues to keep, you know,
getting tread to a degree, But you'd think that to
the point of LaVar or Jonas, I'm not really sure
which side. I think I know which side Lavars I'm
not sure about Jonas. If there was a disagreement, you
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would think this would help clear things up, right, But
this would make it worse and make it better. So
there wouldn't be a reason for Tom Brady to want
to go to Miami outside of Steven Ross. The Michigan
connection kind of Again, people keep thinking that there's just
like Mario Lemieux type deal going on, where you know,
Brady comes to Miami and he gets a a my
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minority ownership steak in the team, which I mean, look,
maybe that's gonna happen at some point or someday, right.
And the only reason I say that is because you
look at the deal with Deshaun Watson just got and
there's obviously a lot of owners that are happy about
him getting it given his situation off the field, not
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playing last year and telling the Texas he wasn't going
to before all that started, and he gets that record
breaking deal. So if that can happen, I mean, yeah,
Steven Ross might say, yeah, I'm gonna give him a
minority ownership steak, um, and and that's how this is
gonna work. Think that is legal to do that? Isn't that?
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Because I had that conversation before and they said in
the c B A, you're not able to negotiate it
that way. I don't think you are, but I think
you could have like a wig wig nod NodD type
of deal though. All right, I mean, I know Bruce
Arians came out and said it has nothing to do
with the whole Tom Brady coming back thing, but I'm sorry,
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you can't convince me that his the way he retired.
Everybody said it like that, that was like that was
a It pains me to say this because I said
that he had two brilliant of a career to pump fake,
but he pumped faked, and he pumped fake to leverage
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whatever he was going to leverage, which was he probably
did not want to deal with Bruce Arians as his
head coach this year. I mean, that's it. I mean,
you got a team that's still in position to compete
for the NFC and possibly for a Super Bowl. Like
the pathway seems clear. You don't know. Let's be be
(13:00):
clear on this. Top Bowls did not have a successful
run as a head coach. In fact, it was very bad.
So the idea of it is I don't think I
thought it was bad pull up his record, pull up
his pull up his final season record. Pretty certain usually
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it's bad. Ok. Well, I think he started off ten
and six and then when I went downhill and with
the Jets, seventeen. Yeah, come on, that's a super super
there's a statue of part of that stadium now. Always
it was more the fact that he followed up with
to five and eleven seasons. Yeah. But but but those
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right there, that's fourteen wins. I mean, we're going to
criticize him from fourteen wins. I mean, that's irrelevant. Here's
the thing. I think that that's the reason why you
keep Bruce various and they've been even double ditch of wins,
is that the last time I was probably time. Yeah,
that that would happen to be an accomplishment. Come on, LaVar,
it's it's the first, you know, it's it's the first
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head coach there with a winning record that doesn't have
a foot fetish in Jet's history. So I think that's
that's telling you something. Oh my god, No, no, no,
that's what I think. They kept Bruce arians because they
don't want it to get messed up. They just don't
want him close enough where there's there's beef between him
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and Tom Brady. Do you really think that that it
was him or me? I just I find that hard
to believe. Why. I just I don't. I don't think
Brady takes that approach. I think they probably had a
conversation because there was this other There was a report
that came out that said Brady either knew the day
of or the day after he decided to come back. Well, yeah,
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I'm assuming he would want to know who the head
coach is going to be. I'm assuming he'd want to know, Hey,
what's the plan coming back. I just find it hard
to believe that he would say I'm out of here,
unless Bruce even have to be a conversation. If that
wasn't a point of contention, they probably butted heads towards
the end. I'm not denying that, but I just I
don't think it was, like I said, as sinister as
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everyone's making it got to be sinister because he didn't
want to He did not want to play for Bruce Arians.
Bruce Arians just want a Super Bowl with them. He's
been a successful head coach, and Tom Brady saying I
want him out of here, I'm not coming back. That
sinister like that's pretty says yeah, I do like how
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what we do here? And so wait, you don't think
there's any chance Tom Brady did that. I mean, I'm
not saying it happened in New England necessarily, but that
didn't end well either. And I do feel like if
Bill Belichick would have stepped down, do you think Tom
Brady was leaving? Uh No, he probably would have stayed.
But but I just I don't think that it was
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this that he would go, that he would go to
management or ownership and say, what you try to imply here?
You know somebody's going to come in here and slap
you in the face to find me what sinister? Could
you um? Sinister? I just, I just I don't understand
why you have to take such a sinister approach over
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Sports radio senior NFL reporter at the m M Pub.
You can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert,
what's happening. How's your Thursday? Good? Good? How are you
guys doing. We're good. We're just hanging out and your
fresh from the league meetings. You are back back home
and probably cruising around to get a find a quiet
(16:54):
place to do this call. But how was the family vacation? Oh?
It was great, It was great. They we had a
good time. We were in Jupiter for four days and yeah,
everything went pretty smooth. I got him on the plane
Saturday morning and then, uh, in the last four days
been sort of a testamin durance. But I'm still here.
(17:14):
I'm still here. So Albert is there. So Bruce Arians
decides to step down. He takes a front office role.
Todd Bowles is the head coach. How much of Tom
Brady's wanting to come back to Tampa had to do
with Bruce Arians, at least giving the indication he was
no longer going to be the head coach there. Yeah,
(17:36):
I don't know how much I had to do with
this decision, because I think a decision sort of came
down to the realization that if he was gonna play anywhere,
it was gonna be in Tampa. But I mean, it's
hard not to put some puzzle pieces together. You know.
Obviously he was over UM in England UM and at
a Manchester United game right before he made the decision UM,
(17:57):
and there was friction between you know, Tom Adi and
Bruce Arians and Tom Brady, and I think you know
there was there was that there were just I think
some like a little bit of philosophical divide and how
I think Brady, uh, you know, had had seen things
done over twenty years in New England and then how
Bruce Arians did things. And I don't think it's necessarily
(18:19):
like either guy doesn't like each other. It's just there
were some professional disagreements, and UM, what I don't think happens.
I don't think Brady stormed in anybody's office and demanded anything,
because I just I don't think that it's that's his
nature to do that. But you know, wasn't known that
that that that that things maybe weren't as good at
(18:40):
the end of this year's as they had been a
year earlier. Yeah, sure, I think there was an acknowledgement
of that. And I also think that Bruce Arians is
being forthright when he said he wanted to provide the
opportunity to Todd Bowls. The idea of Bruce Arians handing
off the Buccaneers two Bowls actually existed before Brady was
even on the team, and some people in that organization
(19:02):
during the playoffs last year thought, if the Buccaneers won,
then be a Wood handed off to Bolls. Now, obviously
I didn't happen, but you know, I think the people
in that organization beaut it is inevitable that at some
point Bruce was going to walk and walk away, with
the idea being the Todd Bowls would take over for him. Albert,
I want to follow up on something you just touched on.
(19:24):
You mentioned, you know, playing somewhere else. So do you
give their I don't know. I guess credit to the
fact that maybe he did want to go to Miami.
What would that scenario only have worked out of Sean
Payton had been the head coach, as we saw reports
or rumors of earlier. What do you mean when you
said that, Um, you know, I think there was I
(19:47):
hesitate Brady even call it a retirement. You know, I
almost think it was like a cooling off period. Um
of six weeks between you know, when the decision was
made in the middle of January and then when he
came back you know, in early March. And you know,
I think part of the process for him was going
through seeing what his options were gonna be. And you know,
(20:10):
i'd even put San Francisco in front of Miami, like
I think San Francisco was was one that really appealed
to him. Um, He's got more relationships that San Francisco
organization than people might think. Um. And there was the
connection to West Welker a couple of years ago. Um,
you know, there was you know, part of the whole equation.
And so I think San Francisco was the one that
(20:31):
sort of for a football standpoint, really appealed to him.
Now he does have a relationship with the owner um
in Miami, and and there's um, how would I put
some real estate relationships, um, you know with with Stephen Rock,
between Steven Ross and Tom Brady, UM that have existed
for a while now actually, and they obviously have the
Michigan connection too, So I think that's been somebody that's
(20:54):
been on Ross's radar for a while. So I think
those are things that that Brady considered, and you know,
I don't think there was any mistake Brady that when
when the Buccaneers got to the combine, they were very
forceful in their messaging. And you heard Bruce Arians say
it it would take five first round picks to get
Tom Brady out of here. You heard Jason light say
(21:15):
we're leaving the light on for him. You know, I
don't think there was any mistake. I think it was
a very direct message, in a very public message there
from the Buccaneers to Brady that if you're gonna play
anywhere in two it's going to be for us. And
I think him coming out of retirement when he did
was sort of a result of them going throughout him
going through that process and realizing the Bucks aren't gonna
(21:37):
let me go, so I better get back because if
I'm gonna come back, I need to have all these
free agents the Buccaneers have coming back with me. And
he realized that he'd waited any longer, you know, maybe
Ryan Jensen and Carlton Davis and Leonard Fortnhite and all
those guys wind up leaving. He's coming back to a
shell of the team that that that that he was
a part of the last two years, and so I
(21:59):
think now the door is probably shut, and now he's
going to be a buccaneer because he was such a
big part of recruiting those guys back. I do think
over time, Miami and San Francisco were on the radar.
How at what point do you think it was communicated
that this was a strong possibility that Bruce arians does
step down. I know, he comes out and says that
(22:22):
Tom Brady's you know, retirement or coming out of retirement
has nothing to do with him going into retirement or
transitioning into the front office. But I mean, how much
how much merit is there to that, and and how
long do you think people knew? Because again, I just
find it curious that Tom Brady went into retirement the
(22:43):
way that he did and came out of it the
way that he did. I mean, you know, I go far.
I've always I've sort of thought about this sum and
how forced the retirement look, you know what I mean,
I think Brady's dad even use that word like force,
like the media worst him into retirement. Um, you know,
there's been a part of me that wonders was that
(23:05):
made to look forced? You know? Was that like intentionally
did that? Did they make that look that way intentionally
so people would sort of get off of Tom's back
for a little bit so he could let some of
these things play out. And I don't again, like, I
don't think like Brady stormed into you know, the Glazer's
office that you know, the Manchester United Stadium over in
(23:27):
England in March and said I want to come back,
get him out of here. It's just not Brady's nature
to do that, you know. But again, I do think
like the friction that existed in that organization UM at
the end of the end of season probably played a
part in this. And I think for be a probably
looking at that and looking at where that was, and
(23:49):
looking at where that had gone over the last two years,
and then looking at the opportunity to hand one of
the people whose closest to in coaching and taught Bowls,
and opportunity to hit the ground running with the greatest
quarterback of all time. To give that to Todd, I
think really appealed to be a too. So I don't
think it was straight line one thing or the other,
(24:10):
but I think both pieces of that were factors and
and and getting us to where we are right now.
He's Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter at the m m QB.
Can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier joining us
here on two pros and a cup of Joe here
Fox Sports Radio. Um, all right, so you can take
this however you want to take it, in any direction
you want. Albert Dealer's choice. Uh, the Deshaun Watson situation.
(24:33):
We've heard some of the leaks of the deposition he gave.
We heard his press conference in which he uh gave
some very puzzling answers as to why he had so
many massage therapists. And then we've heard some rumblings about
the contract that he got from people you talked to
while at the league meetings in Florida. What's the consensus
(24:55):
on the whole Deshaun Watson situation, either his answers is
to what happened, or the contract he was given based
on everything surrounding him. Yeah, I don't think the answer
surprise anybody, because he's still in the man in the
middle of a legal situation, so he can't concede really
any guilt at all. And you know, I think if
(25:15):
any sort of mea couple was coming, it wasn't gonna
be while the litigation is still going on. I also
think like people understood why the Browns answered the questions
the way that they did. Um, you know, look like
Andrew Berry got up there, and I know people wanted
to see if he would say I believe Deshaun Watson.
The problem is if he says that, then he's calling
the twenty two women liars. So he can't do that,
(25:38):
you know, And so I think that's why he was
dodgy with those sorts of questions. And I think people
within the league with different teams understand that. Yeah, I
think the one thing that turned some people off was
the aggression with which the teams pursued Deshaun Watson. And
then you know, of course the contract and what it's
gonna mean going forward, you know, for teams like the
(26:00):
Ravens with Lamar Jackson, the Broncos with Russell Wilson, the
Bengals with Joe Burrow, the Charges with Justin Herbert, like,
you know what this is gonna mean for the future
of contract negotiations and quarterback negotiations in particular. Um, you know.
The flip side of that is, though, guys like you know,
you see some teams that were interested in de Shaun
(26:21):
Watson now sort of backing away and giving the Browns
a side. I and I kind of I don't know.
I look at that and I'm like, wait a second, dude,
Like a week ago, you were flying to Houston to
go meet with this guy, So don't freaking tell me
that you're disgusted by what's going on. It's like the
guy who gets rejected by the girl at the bar
(26:41):
and then afterwards says that she's all right. I do
think it's a little different when you trade for the
guy and you're taking on what's happening off the field.
But then you trade for a guy and you give
him the largest fully guaranteed contract in NFL history. Like,
I'm sorry, I do have to make the differentiate, and
I'm I'm with other teams to look at it and
(27:02):
go much like Steve Ashati, that's the guy we decide
to set that mark to pay over eighty million dollars
more than any other contract we've ever had. I just
I don't know. I I agree with I agree with that, Brady,
like I do think so like I think we can separate,
right there's the business part of it that like, I
(27:22):
think you look at the business part of it, and
it's like I can understand where it's you know, the
competition for quarterbacks causes people to do these things, you
know what I mean, Like, if you've got a great quarterback,
I I get why teams that don't have one would
go to the extra mile contracts, we go and get one.
It's like what the Vikings do with Kirk Cousins. I
can also simultaneously agree that the optics of it are
(27:45):
god awful, you know. And it's one thing to give
a guy a second chance, it's another thing to usher
him back in with I mean a I mean not
just the richest contract in NFL history, a landmark con
tracked a groundbreaking contract, you know, And so I think
as much as anything else, it just shows you how
(28:07):
desperate teams that don't have one are to get one,
and how you know the importance that position, it's always
been the most important position, right, has been elevated to
this level where teams are willing to do these sorts
of things. Um, yeah, I'm with you on that. I mean,
the optics of it are really really bad. And how
you know not the teams would look the other way
(28:28):
because the Browns did their homework. But how you know, really,
when you look at it, there hasn't I mean, he
lost the year of his professional life, so I'm not
gonna say there wasn't a price to pay, But the
fact that his re entry happens, it's way I can
understand where you would think, and I agree with this.
The optics of it are really really bad. You mentioned
(28:48):
how important it is to get a quarterback through the
desperation of needing one, But what about the desperation or
the need to keep one? And and have you gotten
any indicators or any type of other narratives. Obviously Lamar
(29:08):
Jackson comes out and and and spurns those who have
said that the narrative is that he wants out of Baltimore.
We know what's going on with the desaon or excuse
me that the Deshaun Watson contract. Where does this leave
Lamar Jackson and and the Ravens and their contract situation.
(29:31):
I would say there are two things there, Um you
know LaVar. I think number one, the Ravens are being
very careful about this because they know how important trust is.
Um with Lamar Jackson, like how important that element is
with him, and they worked really hard to build that
relationship up with him UM over the years, and like
(29:53):
this is a different type of negotiation because you're negotiating
directly with the player, and when there's any involved, things
can get nasty and the player never sees it right,
Like you can low ball a guy, you can play
all the negotiation games and like in the end everybody
can kind of shake hands and it's like nothing ever happened.
(30:14):
When you're negotiating directly with the player, that makes it
more difficult. And so the Ravens have been really careful
to try to do what's right for the organization here
White and while walking that tight rope and trying to
maintain that trust with Lamar Jackson, which I think is
why you're hearing. They're putting it in his court and
they're gonna let him drive the negotiation and the urgency
(30:36):
is going to be pushed by him, and so you know,
they really are very much waiting on him. They're willing
to do an extension with them. They want him their
long term UM. And how far are they willing to go.
I think it's unclear right now because the negotiation really
hasn't gotten to the point where, you know, anybody feels
like we're close to anything. UM, So it's gonna be interesting.
(30:58):
You know, this is obviously fifth year option. There've only
been two quarterbacks who've played into their fifth year option,
guys who got in the first round since that system
went in UM in two thousand and eleven. And you know,
I think it's gonna be it's gonna be a fascinating negotiation,
and it's going to be interesting to see how the
Deshaun Watson contract may frame that negotiation going forward. UM.
(31:22):
I think it's unpredictable right now, but I do think
there's a desire on the part of Lamar Jackson to
be a Raven and obviously, you know, I desire on
the part of the Ravens to keep Lamar Jackson. It's
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(31:44):
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staff liked here's Brady quiz. Yeah. Well, let's start off
with a happy birthday to one Christopher Walking. Yes, The
Act of turns seventy nine years old today. Jonas, do
you have a Christopher Walking impression? I feel like everybody does.
Don't they know? I don't. I know He's the King
(33:12):
of New York, but I don't have an in person
that this quarterback Brady Quinn. That's not bad. That's not bad.
All right, pretty good. I gotta I gotta work out
a little bit. I look like you said, everyone's got
a Christopher w I think I feel like everybody Christopher
walking impression on my back pone. You know his best
role was, and I think it's called the prophecy or
(33:34):
he like he plays like I don't know, I don't
think he plays Satan or anything like that, but he like, uh,
he talks to this uh, to this guy, and he says, uh,
you want to know how you got that dent over
your top lip? See way the fact, way back before
you were first born, I told you a secret. And
then I put my finger there and I said, great
(33:54):
movie man, the prophecy good sounds like, yeah, the prophecy. Yeah,
I think I think that's what's called. If it's not
home and um alright, uh, well, still very happy birthday
seventy nine years old. Uh. Obviously it's been a ton
(34:15):
of fun to watch. But let's let's switch gears here.
Deutsche Bank. They made headlines this past week for well
getting rid of a group of bankers who expensed a
night at a strip club and then lied about it.
It wasn't for that much money, but there was one
loan employee who rated them out. It saved his job.
(34:39):
The German financial giant launched an investigation after the bankers
tried to expense a tab for a single evening you
know of fun if you will. It topped over a
thousand dollars, which I mean, I'm surprised it's not more
when you're talking about bankers. But nonetheless, um, they went
to I guess Sapphi, New York on the Upper East Side,
(35:03):
but they know they specialized in things like uh, you know,
body sushi of exotic dancers. Body. But anyway, um, yeah,
I mean it kind of an interesting story, kind of
brings the lights rap. Yeah that is so. I'm looking
up some pictures of old Sapphire in New York. Um
(35:27):
kind of run of the mill, um, you know, I
mean strip club depressing on the outside during the day. Uh,
A lot of neon very strip club. Yeah there's uh,
I mean, it's you know, what you would expect. So
here's the thing. Had they not lied about going to
a strip club, had they just admitted, yes, we expense
(35:48):
this at a strip club. But they've still been fired.
So here's here's what they tried to say. Okay, Sapphire,
New York on on the Upper East Side, it's uh,
it kind of operate a steakhouse. So three of the
bankers who got fired, they insisted that the tab was
run rung up at the steakhouse. And it was the
junior banker who confessed um that they had actually headed
(36:10):
to the strip club, which now the junior bankers probably
no longer the junior banker by the process of elimination,
way ago. Junior banker by the way that rat, and
you know they're gonna get their ass beat right, Like
these guys are going to see him out, you know,
you don't think so. No, they're gonna come back and
and interview for a job and see if they can
(36:30):
get back in. So do the interview. So the rat
was there with them, but because he admitted to it,
they found the week the weak link of the group.
And now that guy didn't have the credit card either.
That's why I snitched. I think you could look at
it this way too, because it's not like Deutsche Bank
suspended these guys or what they did and everything else
(36:53):
it was because they lied about it, like they I mean,
obviously the junior banker went along with them to the
strip club, but that he is the only one to confess.
So in this case, instead of rewarding or saying to
them like, hey, we're firing you because you went to
a strip club and spent this money all the stuff,
it's more like, no, no, no, we're rewarding him because
he didn't lie, which they're not even condemning the actions.
(37:16):
That's just a shame. I'm looking at right, I hear you, Jack.
By the way, I'm looking through some more stuff from
Sapphire here. Um said. It's named after multiple people that
work there that will definitely work. Um yeah, so um
(37:38):
that definite all right. And the last one that used
to be a fun one. UM, a man's well, let's
just called his eggplant. It turns black and rots after
he injected it with cocaine. Oh that is so unfortunate. Yeah,
(37:58):
the unfortunate part is thirty five year old unnamed man. Um,
he actually went through three days of excruciating pain that
obviously got worse. Um in his egg plant, if you will,
that went down to his right foot. That's the best
you got like egg plant, like you could't there's nothing
(38:20):
else you could come up with, penis if I could
say the word. Okay, well, I mean I think most
people understand what the egg plant emoji stands. All right,
It's like, why would you be so careless with yourself?
Why not belt bat? Can't I ask you guys this? Yeah?
What what do you do after that? Like? How do
(38:44):
you what do you do? How you move on that? Well,
so here's here's what end up happening. He obviously went
to the hospital. Uh, and he did admit to over
the past couple of weeks injecting cocaine into what it's
called the dorsal vein exists there on your Exactly what
(39:05):
that is? Yeah, I mean I know I know where
it's at at some point, but it does travel along
the shaft and uh, clearly this third time around didn't
work out too well. Okay, I want to preface this
by saying, I'm not telling you or anybody listening that
this is actually what happened, but this is a rumor
(39:26):
that has been out there that I know one other
person who had an issue at this all right, my
favorite professional wrestler of all time at least in the
top three ravishing Rick Rude. There is a rumor that, um,
he may may have injected some stuff into his downstairs bathroom,
(39:46):
and um they had to remove everything, and that led
to yeah, it's just not not the portion of the
body in question here, and there was a rumor that
he did that. This rumor out there, and that led
to the removal of everything, thus leading to some serious
depression and maybe leading to his untimely death. He get
(40:09):
the removal service. I don't think he wanted to. I
think it just went awry. Did he get his uh
situation were removed? Yea, he did not get it removed.
He actually even said he didn't want to get the
some of the tissue that was damaged removed, which and
an't coming back. So yeah, well, at least he still
(40:31):
has something to egg plants. Yeah, at least, you know,
at least you'll feel good at the trough today a
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