April 4, 2022 • 43 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington wonder why fans are dancing on Coach K’s grave after Duke’s loss to North Carolina in the Final Four. The latest allegations against Dan Snyder might be the final nail in his coffin or he might be truly untouchable. Plus, Colin Kaepernick makes his case for a return to the NFL.
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Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar areas. Brady Quinn and Jonas knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. How we feeling on a Monday on
a a busy weekend in the world of sports and
beyond a No, Brady's got thoughts on WrestleMania. We're gonna
get too later on just a wild weekend, disrespect one
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of the great events in sports and entertainment like that?
Come on? Of course? You know is this weekend? I
didn't he Stone Cold your boy man, Vince McMahon. Yeah,
he got him good, he stunned him. Yeah, he was
Saturday Sunday. It was both nights. It was a to
night extravaganza. Yeah, that typical. Well listen, I mean it's
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some events are so great they can't be contained in
one night and into this uh this expanded over uh
into the West Sunday as well. Um, all right, so
there are there's a dream scenario that's over a dream.
There's a there's a a dream ending that I think
a lot of people were looking forward to. Uh, you know,
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I mean you think about it in all your wildest imagination,
how you would like a perfect ending and then there's
a nightmare ending, and it's a type of nightmare. We're
not only do you wake up terrified, but you're also
in a puddle of your own urine when you when
you rise from your sleep. And uh, I feel like
Mike Sachowski might be laying in a puddle of his
own urine. Still based on how that ended on the weekend,
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that's the such a weird way of describing it. It's
the worst possible ending to his Career's the horrible ending,
no doubt about it. But man, waking up in your
own part, I disagree. A worse ending would have been
getting knocked out like Kentucky was earlier in the pracket.
That that would have been the oh okay, they're going
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out like that. I know it's bad because he lost
to their you know, arch rival, and they did so
to end the regular season. Now it ends there their postseason,
if you will, to Dreams in the final for the
only time these two teams, he's met them in the
final four. Uh, that hurts. It's gotta be tough to
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deal with that. I just don't understand the hate for
coach Ka. I don't get it. Am I missing something
like have I been, have I overlooked the amount of
hate that people have for Duke. I mean, he just
seems like a nice grandpa, Like he seems like a
good coach who gives good advice, and he could be
stern at times, but he's like a nice grandpa. And
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people are baring the guy like that. People are so
happy to see Duke lose, and the way it ends
for coach can''m. I don't get it. The guys coach
for on forty two years and they're trying to like
really bury him alive. I don't get it. But it
looks I'm sure there's a sour taste this mouth, but
it very rarely ends well for anyone, even coach Kay,
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who arguing is one of the greatest basketball coaches you
know of all time was the college level. You know,
people hate on greatness is what it is. And Sasowski
has been great for a long time. And I just
gotta put this out there to you, Brady. It's culturally
the reason why so many people have hated Duke and
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have hated Mike Sewski because it represents, like, if I'm
being honest with you, the man represents the man like
that elitest. Yeah. Yeah, and and everyone through the years,
at least just the way I was kind of, you know,
kind of Swede growing up, which I mean, I was
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okay with it because of the people that I was
charing for. I like the always like the other team better.
And it if you ever noticed in history, it was
always the other team because it was always dupe that
they were matching up with. And I just think that
is just an underdoged story. And I think yesterday for
the first time for me, I found myself chairing for
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for Showsky, like I'm not I'm not crazy familiar with
all of the players on Duke Uh. I thought they
played a well of a game. Um. I thought I
thought that they had every opportunity to win the game.
And I was like, you know what, because it's his
last season, I was just pulling for him to see
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him make it to to the to the final four.
Like I think in your later days, I think you
become more of a grandpa, like you said, more of
a lovable figure. I don't think he was always that
lovable figure throughout history. I think he was a super
intense competitor, and I just think that people people didn't
like the fact that he won the way that he did.
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Culturally speaking, I would say, from my angle, I think
there's more hated coaches though in college basketball history. I mean, yeah,
Bob Knight, right or wrong, I think it would stoke
the flames of the fire for many people, whether you
were a Bob Knight fan or not. Like he's just
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you know, like I just say, what if you want?
I mean, I know, you know this year when he
lectured a kid from Oregon this year, because I don't
know if he's talking trash or whatever he was saying,
but I mean, at this point in his life, like
that's what he is. He's he's on his way out,
and I think he's still instilling lessons and things for
all of them. But I can see that because it
seems like the thirty for thirty they did on Christian
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anything around Duke, you do get this sense that, you know,
everyone kind of looks at Duke as this elitist, this
this small private school in North Carolina that where they
just feel like they're better than you. And here's the
hard part. It's like, I don't know, man, it's a
great education. You've gotta be really smart to go there.
It's pretty sweet. Like I'm not saying they're they're they're better,
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but their test scores might be and they seem like
they're a lot smarter. Like there's there's there's something to
like Duke the basketball for everything? Is that Like I'm
okay with that. And if like you would have viewed
them as the villains, so be it. But the reality
is is he's not a bad guy like people. We're
just absolutely dancing on his grave with the way this
whole thing ended. If you think about it, just super quick,
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my bad Joe's but but if you think about it,
it's okay to get better test scores than me. You know.
It's like the reverse right, It's like, oh, LaVar, you're
such a great football player. You tackle so great. You
you can intercept the ball. It's great when when I'm
catching the ball and you know I can run fast
and tackle people. It isn't great when I can balance it,
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you know, the ledger of the company or be the
CEO of the company. It's like, hold on, my kid
looks up to you because you're a good football player,
not because you could do the job that I do.
So it's like the reverse right, It's like, hold on, man,
Cherokee Parks Man, you look like you're gonna balance my
ch like you're gonna do my taxes for me. Wait,
hold on, Christian Lightner, you look like you're going to
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represent me in the court of law. Like let's go
like like Latener and Latener, like you know what I mean.
Like it's okay if you guys look that way and
make make get good test scores and and and you're
great in school. I do great. It's a problem when
you're beating Larry Johnson. It's a it's a problem when
you're beating Stacy Augment. It's a it's a problem when
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you're beating because because they're showing you they can do
it all, Like it's that part of the issue that's correct,
that's correct. Then that's envy, Like you wish you could
be in their shoes. Well, you don't wish you could
be in their shoes. You just wish that they weren't
as good as you at what you're good at. But
that's kind of like it's like this human nature. I
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don't want you to be as good as me if
you don't look like me. It's like, man, I see
I see you know this guy over here, I see
Larry Johnson, and I know Larry Johnson can jump out
at the gym. I know I'm gonna have my hands
full with Larry Johnson is like, Oh, that's two, that's
goons going at It's like Christian Lake near and Larry
Johnson like what it's like? So it's it shocks and
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it shocks your system. It's like, how are these dudes
this good? And why are they always Bobby Hurley? Why
is Bobby Hurley? Why is Wojanowski? Would would you would
your house? Well? How are they doing me it? How
are you doing it? I don't like you because I
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don't like you. That's why I can't make it in
the real world. Can you at least let us have
can you? Can we have spend? We have basketball fleet?
Can we have it? Here? Was here was coach k
talking about his time at Duke after the loss on Saturday.
I've been blessed to be in the arena. And when
you're in the arena, you're either gonna come out feeling
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great or are you gonna feel agony? But you always
fill feel eight about being in the arena. And I'm
sure that that's the thing when I'll look back that
I'll miss I won't be in the arena anymore. But Dan,
I was in the arena for a long time and
these kids, you know, made my last time in the
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arena an amazing one. And it's it's a bummer. Now
he needs to come back for another year. You can't
go Yeah, you can't. You can't go out like that.
And I understand you don't get to pick oftentimes how
how you end things. But I feel like him looking
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at this going I'm gonna have to wear two losses
like that to North Carolina my final home game and
my final game. Period. Look, he can make it through
another season, you know, you know, give Shire some some
more responsibilities, you know, do like a half and half thing,
and then uh, and then have coach k come back
and he loses next year in the round of thirty
two or in the sweet sixteen. As long as it's
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not not to North Carolina. I feel like that's a
better way to end things. There's a lot of truth
to what he said. I mean, there is something about
like that you miss when you're done playing sports. It's
just about being in it. I mean, as and as
much as and I feel like the gambling world can
relate to this. As much as you love winning, there
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also is that feeling of defeat where there's nothing like
the next morning waking up after defeat, whether you're getting
you got your ass kicked, and all the soreness that
you feel, you're going like, I need to like work
this out of my system. I gotta fix it. I
gotta do better. I gotta I gotta be better. And
and you it's that motivation for the next day of
the next game, the next chance, an opportunity you have,
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you know, or like that waking up the next day
after you win, and and none of those bumps and
bruises hurt quite as bad. Like there's nothing like the
feeling of knowing that you've got the opportunity to compete,
to go in the arena, to do something that you love.
I think the hard thing for Coach K is, you know,
I mean, when you're a coach, a lot of it's
out of your hands. I mean, think about the immense
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amount of pressure that the young men who are playing
for Coach K are under knowing that like that's how
he's gonna be remembering they in large part of everything
everything to do about it. I mean, they won the
regular season right for the a c C this year,
but they didn't win the a CEC tournament. They ended
up losing, you know that the regular season finale to
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u n C. They lose in the final four to
U n C. The hard party and all seriousness, you know,
as we joke about if he was to come back
for another year, is if he was to come back,
I mean, are they gonna get to another final four?
There's no guarantee, and and you know, I think it's
not the worst way for it to play out, but
to sit there and say like, oh, they're gonna come,
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I mean, I don't know. Ben Cheryl is probably gonna
be a top two pick in the draft. I would think,
I actually I would take him over Chad Holgren. I
think he's the best player in the draft. And so
you're gonna lose him. YOUNA lose a number of players
to the d after year. I just I don't know
if he wants to start over again, even though I
believe they've got a really good recruiting class for next season.
But I mean, again, he's not going to and they
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go through this whole you know, goodbye tour again. You know,
at seventies seven years old, Ben, it was a good game.
He coached it well, they played well. They had a
couple you know, in those types of games, you have
a couple of mishaps, you miss some free throws that
could you know, put the game in a different situation.
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You you make it a couple of different plays here
or there, and it makes all the difference. They were there.
If they had gotten blown out, if they had lost differently,
then I would say that was the worst loss. But
in in some regard, in some type of way, it's
almost fitting in fashion of someone as great as Mike
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Shoski has been as a coach and what he has
represented to sports, to not go out to someone lesser
than I mean, you, I hate to say it, but
if if I'm gonna go out, let me go out
on on my shield. And I went out against one
of the most historical franchises in college sports, and and
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they're right down the road, and and it's a rivalry,
and and to me, that almost restores some of the
mystique in the prestige of what college sports truly represents.
So I was kind of on the I wanted them
to win, but I was still kind of on the
other side of it, like, if I'm gonna go out,
let me go out to the best. Be sure to
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Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox weekdays
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Radio and the I Heart Radio. Hey sticks, Uh, what's
up with your guy Dan Snyder? You would old Danny boy. Yeah,
I just stuff, just wondering because it's a little little
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it's a little a little little Danny it is. Uh.
So there is there is a why why is his
nose so runny? Is there outside? Now? There is no
there's a there's a report from a J Perez, a
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front office sports It says, uh, Congress is exploring whether
Dan Snyder withheld payments to the visiting team pool, which is, uh,
where a ticket do you have to give? Ticket sales
and revenue that you bring in for games? It doesn't
all just go into your pocket. You've got to divvy
it out. Um and uh he's supposed to give it
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back to the visiting team and all that and um
and Dan Snyder apparently may not have given you know,
his portion and his share. This is this a moment
to to pile on or is it a moment for
me to just just have a moment, you know, like
I don't like this wouldn't be the first time he
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didn't pay somebody. I mean, there, there you go, Like,
there's the punch line. If LaVar is involved in this conversation,
You want to know what the punch line is. Hey, hey, government,
Hey government, go look at LaVar Arrington's contract and and
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and look at when he redid his deal and restructured
his deal to help the team and literally less than
what thirteen hours time to help the team get under
the cap, and there was a bonus missing, and and
it basically ruined my career like that, It basically derailed.
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Everything that transpired after that moment was total chaos, turbulence,
you name it. It would not be the first time
that something of the business manner that just needed to
be taken care of, because that's what it was, was
not handled by Dan Snyder. So this doesn't surprise me.
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For all these years. It's funny, for all these years
people thought that I got cut from the Washington football team.
Back then, they thought I got cut. But what happened
was there was a six million dollars like six point
five if I recall correctly, there was a six point
five million dollars bonus that was was not in the contract,
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and all they needed to do was go back over
it and put it in and it would have took
my earning average back to where it was supposed to be.
Without that average, it dramatically dropped my my earning average
from what it was to to something it was. It
was something crazy I was. I was very cutible at
that point in time. Put it to you like that,
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and it was just it I realized in that moment
because I had nothing to do with it. You know,
contracts like your your agents like come to you. What
numbers are you thinking? Like? These numbers make sense to me.
I want to get to here, like okay, here's what
we're gonna do. Here's how we're going to structure here
is do do okay? Great? Um. I literally had to
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get a a police I jumped in a police car
and they turned the lights on for me to get
from Ashburn, Virginia to to uh green Belt, green Belt, Maryland,
to the team hotel and time enough for meetings. That's
how long the negotiations and and going through it and
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signing everything took place. There were there were missed pages
that weren't signed. There was there was just a couple
of things. There were some you know, clerical errors that
were a part of the contract signing, and and was like,
you know, let them handle it, let them handle it,
and and then then then lo and behold fast forward.
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You know, everything that happened and transpired after that. I
paid my way out. I gave two point five million
dollars back and bonus money to get out. I said,
I'd never worked for Dance Night or another day in
my life because that's just not the type of person
that I would want to work for. I'll go into
a different profession. I'll leave football together before I work
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another another day for for a person like that. And
it doesn't surprise me. And you hear Alex Smith, you know,
he outed them talking about the dysfunction of the organization.
And you know, someone who was drafted as the number
one overall pick and with the San Francisco forty niners,
he went through some of the difficulties with that organization.
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But I don't know that anyone would confuse the two
is the forty Niners being a bad organization. They've had
the rough spots, uh with with Jed York as their
owner or operating as their owner. But you know, really,
when you look at the history of the forty Niners,
they're one of the more storied franchises. He goes to
Kansas City, you know, he makes them a legitimate playoff
team every single year he was there, and then he
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goes to watching It's like, yeah, this place has some issues.
They've got some skeletons in the closet. Uh, they don't.
There's no wonder that it just so happens to coincide
with when Dan Snyder took over the team. They've struggled
to have any consistent success. Here's the crazy thing thing, though,
because they've been to the playoffs like what four or
five times? I think since five times, they've obviously have
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won the division. Granted that recently, which that was in
a crappy year. But still, you know, when you look
at the Washington Commandos whatever we're gonna call him football
team whatever they were before that, as as like bad,
as as dysfunctional as they are, like, they've at least
been to the playoffs. They've at least like won their division.
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There's some teams that have a really hard time saying
that over the past two decades. And that's the crazy
thing when we we hear these offseason storylines is a
as bad as it must be able to feel. Washington
Commandos fan, you still look at some of the other organizations,
You're like, they've even had less success. Oh yeah, listen,
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they've been They've been better than the Giants the last
five six years, not even close. I mean the Jags,
the Lions, of course, you want to throw in there.
I'm gonna ask you a serious questions. Here's a serious question.
So if it comes to be that he is basically
stealing um money from from other owners, this ticket revenue
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that is supposed to be portioned out that he you know,
may not have done. Uh, there's a thought that this
could be it that that now he's burnt the final bridge,
which is the bridge to other owners that have that
have had his back throughout all this stuff. But but
if this, if this isn't it all right, and and
they don't find enough there to be able to take
the team away. Honest question, what is it gonna take
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for this guy to lose his football team. I mean,
at this point, like, why what else is there? It
sounds terrible to respond in this way, but that's the
whole point. That's how this thing is set up. You know,
these men didn't set this whole league up in order
for it to be taken away from him like the
snap of a finger. It's gonna take a knockdown, drag
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out fight, and they're gonna do everything they can to
hold onto one of the thirty two most prize possessions
in the world, let alone our country. So that's the
reality of it is. As as much as everyone in
the outside looks at this and we're like, dude, this
guy needs to go, there's still a point where all
these owners, and as much as they want to point
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fingers or be frustrated or even with this, Like even
as I look at this and I say, look, there's
three things that would always create fights in a locker room, okay, uh, religion, women,
and money. And in the case of the Washington Commandos,
they got their hitting two of the three. And I
don't know if there's some religious issues going on there too,
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but I'm just saying that's the reality is we we
know about all of the stuff in regards to the
cheerleaders and some of the employees. Now it's getting the
point where all right now he's holding back taket revenue
from his partners, the other owners, like these guys, eventus
you're gonna be like, yeah, dude, you're on an island,
like like, save yourself. You're Tom hankson castaway. Figure out,
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figure out how you're getting off the island, because we're
not helping you anymore. But as much as they want
to say that, they might be turned around going, oh man,
I got some skeletons in my clue've done it too,
like like maybe I don't want to be so harsh,
or maybe I don't want to, you know, isolate Dan
little Danny boy, because if I do, he go we
could have a problem. And that's the problem something man,
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that's the well, I mean, look at it like this.
It's not that he has something that no one else has.
Like like Brady just said, there's probably the strong possibility
that if if Dan goes down for some of the
things that are going to take him down, he may
start singing I'm gonna go down. He has shown he's
petty I'm gonna go down swinging like I'm gonna take
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grouting out with me. I'm I'm gonna take uh Alan
out a fall guy. Oh there's like, hey, look over here,
look at Look at John Cruden. Don't look at me.
There certainly are more within the organization that we're abruptly.
When I say abruptly, they were abruptly removed from that building.
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You know that, You know that Jerry Jones has a
lot of influence. I wonder if it gets to the
point where Dan Snyder feels like he's threatened and his
team may go by and by, if he calls Jerry
joneson just says, hey, buddy, you know that little situation
you got going on with that daughter. You don't want
to claim that's twenty five years old. There's more behind
door number two. You want to keep this up. He's
got to have something on somebody. I just don't get
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what what else could be checked off the list because
you mentioned it? Uh you know, money? Uh, women, religion, race,
three of the four, three of the four he has
checked off the list. I just I don't know at
what point, Roger Goodell, what do you mean race? As
far as a team name well, because that was something
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that he inherited anyway, right, Like it wasn't he was
he was, he was, he was guns a blazing. I
remember when I got the call a game out in Arizona,
and I remember, you know, that was starting to become
I think it was in four team maybe something like that,
and it was there was more pressure building on them
to change the name. I mean eight years ago almost,
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and uh, I remember there was there was he was
actually in a box in Arizona, right there on the road.
He was in a box with another like chief from
a different tribe, and they were he was there on
on in like support of Dan Snyder. At least that's
how they wanted it to appear. And so we had
showed them on the broadcast and you could kind of
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see them talking, and it was like it was one
of those deals where it was already controversial back then,
and he was doing everything he could have positioned himself
to not have to, you know, face the pushback for
what their team name was and what it should be.
And now some of the things he'd set up, I mean,
if he's been trying to manipulate this whole thing for
a long long time, it's crazy when you think about it.
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I'll tell you what's crazy. Go look at all of
the companies that Dan Snyder has owned, and look at
where they're at currently. That's what's crazy. Go look like
from six Flags to to Rid, Zebra too, whatever it
is else that he's ever owned, Like since since we've
known him, since he's become of relevance because he owns
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he owns the Washington Team. Look at all of the
ventures he's done and check out what they're doing. Well,
I just Google searched red Zebra, and I said, of
not twenty one years of age, I can't click. Was
this like a club? Is just like an establishment? Can
I get your password? Zebra? Yeah? I think that was
It's funny. Yeah, it's kind of funny. I mean I
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thought yours was much funnier than the truth. Do you know?
By the way I'm looking at it, there's like actual
Is that an actual? Now that's on a real zebra?
And never mind? All right, it is two pros and
a cup of Joe here, fix's actually real? Real? Yeah?
Just looking stuff up here, it's it's it's it's bizarre.
What by the way, what is the zebra? They just
spray paint a horse? Is that what it is? They say,
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because the zebra's nose is black, the rest of their
body is black. So they're actually black with white stripes,
is from what I hear. Robert. Don't know how true
that is, Roberto, We're gonna let this pass on a Monday.
We're just gonna let this stuff lie. A brown bear,
a grizzly bear. You know, they have they have black
have black noses too. I don't know. This is like
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a Santa Claus conversation. That's like, who you ask Santa
Claus doesn't look the same, you know, I think the
same thing as the origin with the zebra. It's like
everyone's got their own interpretation, which is a stripe so
much harm. But I'm telling you, I told you all.
I got one of my boy's house and I was like, oh,
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Santa looks different over here. I didn't think about that
before I was I was like twelve years old. I
was like, I didn't really think about like how people
have different perspective on what Santa Claus. I was like,
sant it could be different. That's kind of a zebra.
Let's two pros and a cup of joe here, on
Fox Sports Radio. The rid zeb really is a strip club.
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I mean it sounded like it. It's a strip Jersey.
It's a good good spot there. Yeah, and Mattawan New
Jersey Sports Bower and Lounge. Yeah, it's all Yeah. I
just randomly popped up. Do we lose LaVar for the
rest of the same Yeah, Well I would LaVar. I
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got off, I got off, I got off, I would
use it, I would use different terminology. Oh id that, buddy,
that might be the funniest fall into a horrible statement
that I've ever made in my entire existence, Brady, happens
when you bring up a little Danny boys, all sudden
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you start falling into different things. That's so, what's happening around?
I swiped and got the page down off of my phone. Yeah,
there we go. There is It is Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Training, And could be
so hard to try to say I remove myself from
a page. That's all right, listen, there's uh, well we'll
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I don't know if if you guys saw this, but
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it is a spring football game season around college football,
so a lot of these things are heating up. And uh,
we talked about how Michigan had an honorary captain. Um
Colin Kaepernick was was there at the Amazing Blue Game
they call it, and UM, yeah, he was. He was
the honorary captain. Obviously his relationship with Jim Harbaugh. And
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he threw at halftime, so he put on a little
bit of a throwing display at at halftime and UM
and Kaepernick actually spoke afterwards, and I don't know that
he's actually Yeah, well because how shocked by that? Well? Yeah,
how often is he actually talked in the last five
six years? Like, yes, I think every time he's got
a scripted something for himself, he de talk, you know,
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quite frequently. Yeah. Well, okay, so off a teleprompter, you're saying,
no, no no, no, he's not Joe Biden. I'm thinking, like
every single time. No, I'm just what I'm saying. Every
single time he's like he's own workout or something else happening.
What No, by time I see profter, That's what I'm
talking about. Man, nobody's say he is getting LaVar. He's
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the can man. Anybody can get it today. Anybody can't
get mean anyone. It seems like every time they've got
to remember when he had the NFL set up the
workout and he did his own thing. He talked after that,
and it's like he's got another one. After this pro
day where he spoke, because obviously they set it up
for him, He's got another one. He's got some other
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NFL showcase thing he's trying to get teams come out
for it. I hope someone signs him, I really do.
It's not about now he um, I don't care. I
hope he does. He's electing content. Well, it's he was
talking about just you know, wanting to showcase his his skills,
that he could still throw it and he can still
get out there and and and play a little bit
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and and toss it around. And then afterwards he spoke
about his desires and his message to teams. Yeah, his
message to NFL teams, I can help make you a
better team. I can help you win games. I know
right now the situation likely won't won't allow me to
come in and step into a starting role. I know
I'll be able to work my way to that though,
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and show that very quickly. So to the teams that
have questions. More than anything, I would say no, I'd
love to come in for a workout. I'd love to
sit down with you and have that conversation about how
I can help you be a better team. All right,
just let's see, six years removed, he's gonna it just
all seems loaded anymore. Really, part of me wishes, yeah, right,
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part of me wishes I could root for him as
an underdog. But there's so much connected to every single
time he does this now for it just so, just
so all the social justice warriors you have no effing
clue about uh sports, can shut up. But get him
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on a team. Let's see if he can play or not.
And and and look and LaVar laid this out when
we initially started talking about this, probably had a month
or two ago whenever it was. And you're right, like,
it's no matter what if he just gets that opportunity,
there's always gonna be the yeah, but he didn't get
enough reps, or he didn't get a fair shot, or
it was a bad situation. It's always gonna be that
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because that's how that part of our culture and society works.
Their excuse makers. The reality is doing it well. And
that's fine if that's why he's doing it. I just
hope someone actually gives And by the way, like you
see those news about Pete Carroll, Pete Carroll's championed, like
the Colin Apertive conversation, We're like, dude, of all the
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teams that could use a quarterback, it's you, you sign
up at Pete Carroll so full of crap, like he's
had he's had years to mold this over. They brought
him in multiple times that it happened years ago. They
brought him in for a workout, and then he was
talking openly about it. It's like, what are you waiting for,
like sign him? And here's the other thing too, worst
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case scenario, you bring him in, he's not very good.
Let me tell you something. Is he not a draw?
Is he not a draw at a preseason game? Is
he not a draw? Ratings wise to some of these
preseason games that we get to see play out, I
think people would actually show up or tune in to
watch and just see how it works, like see if
it happens, and and and at this point, why not
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if he's serious about wanting to be compete and and
be a backup somewhere, And that's always been my thing,
like does he understand that he's not going to be
a starter? Is he willing to be a backup? If
he's willing to do it, I don't see why a
team in the NFL wouldn't want to bring him in
outside of the distraction aspect. But you know, he's not
going to be there for the whole preseason. Maybe he
only makes it to the first game, right into the
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second game before you cut him, But why not take
a chance at it and why not bring him in if,
if anything, just for interest level alone. It's like, it's
not only it's not so much for interest level for me.
I just think six years removed from him playing is
is you know last football he he wasn't playing at
a good level of the last couple of years now.
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There are circumstances out around him that probably didn't help either,
and he wasn't helping coming into the sixteen season. We've
got all all over this right because the unfortunate reality
of anything we say is it gets cut up into
a snippet. No one listens to the entire piece about
us talking about Colin kapern I has a quarterback when
he last played six years ago. The truth is, statistically
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it looked okay, But when you talk to people on
the team, people in the league, they're like, yeah, he's
not a starter anymore. He's a backup. And so the
question becomes, does he feel comfortable being in that position
even though he's gonna be in the limelight. Does a
team feel comfortable bringing him in knowing he's in that
position but the reality is he's gonna be in the
limelight you know, it was no different than kind of
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with with Tim Tebow in regards to at some point,
you know, he became a distraction because the focus was
on a guy who's not even on the field, and
that's a problem for the team. It's a problem at
that position in particular, because that guy's got to be
the one voice as a leader in the locker room
and everything that he's doing on the field, and unfortunately,
like that's that's gonna be. The hesitation from teams is
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the distraction that comes along with it. But like I
keep saying, I'm fascinated to see if he could still
do it, because I mean, anyone could sit there in
a T shirt and shorts and go throw the football round.
You know. I used to do that for years, even
after I was done playing, because I said, I was like,
these guys need work. I like doing it. It's nice
being outside throwing around people. You've still got it. Yeah,
of course you can when you're in a T shirt
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and shorts. It's different when you actually have to go
in game plan, prepare and do it with you know, helmet,
shoulder pads on when people are coming at you. That's
a different feeling. That's a different deal. Walking around and
t shirts short and throwing the guys that's nothing. You
should be able to complete all your passage or look
like you can still throw the football. That that's part
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of that job. It's part of how that works. You
want to know. The craziest aspect of all of this,
this conversation, and in so many ways, is that guys
that are washed try out all the time. I have
been in locker rooms where you can I've seen a
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who's who of people walk in those doors and try
out and walk out those doors after trying out. It
is a common thing to see guys trying to get
back into the league, and they have designated days for
guys to work out. So to me, the fact that
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he goes and these these these very very interesting forums
and and says that he's ready to go, and he's
waiting for a team to give him an opportunity. These
these workouts happened at facilities all the time. So if
if he hasn't if he hasn't gone and thrown over
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the duration of time that he's been out of the game,
if he hasn't gone in and out and and and
for all those people listening, that may say, well, they're
not giving him a chance. They're not giving him a chance. Uh, relax,
they will bring you if you come in if you're
aging calls hey, he you know, wins the open Day.
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I think it was usually Tuesdays during the season, maybe
Mondays it was. I'm not I don't recall. I mean,
I've been out for a while, but they always had guys,
no matter how old they were, no matter what type
of shape they were in, no matter what. You could
come in to a a facility, run the forty run routes,
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throw the ball, do drills. They'll they'll they'll take you
in to do that. So when I see these things
take place, knowing it from the other side of it,
it's it really is for to me, it's for something else.
It's for it's for content grabbing. It's like, I'm going
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to put this out there. It's almost like he read
the same script from the last time he worked out.
It almost sounds the same exact way, like almost like robotic,
like like I would like to come back in and
I would play. I know that I can improve somebody's team.
Just give me the opportunity. I'll show you that I
can play. It's like he's saying the same exact thing. Yeah,
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but the best case scenario for him is that he
doesn't get a try out because then people can continue
to push this thing out there, like the continue to
continue with the same because it eventually dies. Right, Like,
he gets to a certain age and you get far
enough removed where you go. Yeah. No, one's like, how
how old is Colin Kaepernick? Now? I think I think
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he's let me just let me just double check that here,
I got thirty four four. Yeah, yeah, so it's thirty four,
I mean two more years removed. Are we looking at
a guy who's been out of the league for eight
years and is that thirty six which it looks. Spare
me the well Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. Okay, they've
been playing their entire career at a higher level than
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he even was close to sniffing at any point, at
any point, even his best year. So funny about when
you're mentioning his final because you called his final game, right.
That was one of the things that I just remember
people that were Kaepernick ball washers after the fact when
talking about him not getting a chance sixteen and four,
sixteen and four four, the team was a bag of crap.
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They were terrible, Like sixteen and four my ask. He
was one intensive starter. Yeah, and a lot of that
came in garbage time when you break actually break down
the analytics for all those like doors, you just read
the box score. And the other thing was is like
look at hip Kelly offenses, Like who didn't perform well
in a chip Kelly offense? Everybody He had one of
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his best like statistical seasons ever, Sam Bradford, you go
through all the it's like, no one's gonna no one's
gonna question the offensive prowess of chip Kelly. Like at
any level he's been at, he's a great offensive mine.
And that was clearly something that still operating work then.
But a lot of that was smoking mirrors because it
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came in garbage time and when you again, when you
talk to teams that prepared for him, when you talk
to you know, his own team, and some of the
limitations that he was able to do. You know, there
was there was those comments like, well, you know, we
gotta do certain things, and you talked to other team,
they're like, well, he's kind of a one and done,
like a one and run quarterback. First, guy's not there,
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he's gotta run, he's gonna move on. And that's how
they viewed him, and that's how he was. And if
you can't evolve to be more than that once the
league figures what you are as a mobile quarterback, if
you can't read a progression, read a defense, understand where
to go, change plays in the line of scrimmage, all
that good stuff, you will never evolve to be one
of the greats. And he was never evolving into that
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at any point in his career. So you know, again,
does he does he want to come in and be
a backup? Maybe it sounds like he's he's changed his
tune on all that. Like I said, I hope he
gets I hope he gets a shot because I want
to see how it all plays out. I think it'd
be good for our show. It could be good for
sports media man Tiger Woods. Yeah, Kaepernick, I don't. I
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don't know which one I hate more. Think the headline
of I'm so tired of it. I'm just tired of
I mean, like, we're gonna let this stuff fly. I mean,
there's a theme. There's a theme here. I mean I
just think you know that's you. You can hit the button.
I'm just tired of the headline. I don't care what
color either one of them are. I mean, the bottom
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line is is like the headline is played out. It's
just played out, like I get it, like it's played out.
And to be and to be honest with you, I
don't even know that today if he were to go
for a trial, I'm not even so sure that the
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social justice warriors and cancel culture, I'm not even so
sure that they're even dialed into this anymore. I really
don't at the end of the day. At the end
of the day, there are other things that are happening
in our culture and our world that that need focus
and attention. And whether Kaepernick makes a return or not
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is not high like that was once high on the list,
like that was going to be a social justice victory
if Kaepernick got back on the team. I don't think
that that intensity is still there. So honestly speaking, it
really doesn't like does it even really matter at this
moment in time, Like if it has something to do
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with social justice, great, But if you're continuing to try
to leverage your following to get an opportunity to get
on the team, just try to get on the team. Yeah,
but you know if he does get try out or
some team does bring him in, I mean it's so
much better. To Brady's point, for our show, what we
want to talk about baseball and July come on, I
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mean we want to talk about baseball. I'll listen. Um,
you know we will have to talk about slam ball.
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(00:25):
of the great events in sports and entertainment like that?
Come on? Of course? You know is this weekend? I
didn't he Stone Cold your boy man, Vince McMahon. Yeah,
he got him good, he stunned him. Yeah, he was
Saturday Sunday. It was both nights. It was a to
night extravaganza. Yeah, that typical. Well listen, I mean it's
(00:47):
some events are so great they can't be contained in
one night and into this uh this expanded over uh
into the West Sunday as well. Um, all right, so
there are there's a dream scenario that's over a dream.
There's a there's a a dream ending that I think
a lot of people were looking forward to. Uh, you know,
(01:08):
I mean you think about it in all your wildest imagination,
how you would like a perfect ending and then there's
a nightmare ending, and it's a type of nightmare. We're
not only do you wake up terrified, but you're also
in a puddle of your own urine when you when
you rise from your sleep. And uh, I feel like
Mike Sachowski might be laying in a puddle of his
own urine. Still based on how that ended on the weekend,
(01:30):
that's the such a weird way of describing it. It's
the worst possible ending to his Career's the horrible ending,
no doubt about it. But man, waking up in your
own part, I disagree. A worse ending would have been
getting knocked out like Kentucky was earlier in the pracket.
That that would have been the oh okay, they're going
(01:53):
out like that. I know it's bad because he lost
to their you know, arch rival, and they did so
to end the regular season. Now it ends there their postseason,
if you will, to Dreams in the final for the
only time these two teams, he's met them in the
final four. Uh, that hurts. It's gotta be tough to
(02:15):
deal with that. I just don't understand the hate for
coach Ka. I don't get it. Am I missing something
like have I been, have I overlooked the amount of
hate that people have for Duke. I mean, he just
seems like a nice grandpa, Like he seems like a
good coach who gives good advice, and he could be
stern at times, but he's like a nice grandpa. And
(02:37):
people are baring the guy like that. People are so
happy to see Duke lose, and the way it ends
for coach can''m. I don't get it. The guys coach
for on forty two years and they're trying to like
really bury him alive. I don't get it. But it
looks I'm sure there's a sour taste this mouth, but
it very rarely ends well for anyone, even coach Kay,
(03:00):
who arguing is one of the greatest basketball coaches you
know of all time was the college level. You know,
people hate on greatness is what it is. And Sasowski
has been great for a long time. And I just
gotta put this out there to you, Brady. It's culturally
the reason why so many people have hated Duke and
(03:23):
have hated Mike Sewski because it represents, like, if I'm
being honest with you, the man represents the man like
that elitest. Yeah. Yeah, and and everyone through the years,
at least just the way I was kind of, you know,
kind of Swede growing up, which I mean, I was
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okay with it because of the people that I was
charing for. I like the always like the other team better.
And it if you ever noticed in history, it was
always the other team because it was always dupe that
they were matching up with. And I just think that
is just an underdoged story. And I think yesterday for
the first time for me, I found myself chairing for
(04:07):
for Showsky, like I'm not I'm not crazy familiar with
all of the players on Duke Uh. I thought they
played a well of a game. Um. I thought I
thought that they had every opportunity to win the game.
And I was like, you know what, because it's his
last season, I was just pulling for him to see
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him make it to to the to the final four.
Like I think in your later days, I think you
become more of a grandpa, like you said, more of
a lovable figure. I don't think he was always that
lovable figure throughout history. I think he was a super
intense competitor, and I just think that people people didn't
like the fact that he won the way that he did.
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Culturally speaking, I would say, from my angle, I think
there's more hated coaches though in college basketball history. I mean, yeah,
Bob Knight, right or wrong, I think it would stoke
the flames of the fire for many people, whether you
were a Bob Knight fan or not. Like he's just
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you know, like I just say, what if you want?
I mean, I know, you know this year when he
lectured a kid from Oregon this year, because I don't
know if he's talking trash or whatever he was saying,
but I mean, at this point in his life, like
that's what he is. He's he's on his way out,
and I think he's still instilling lessons and things for
all of them. But I can see that because it
seems like the thirty for thirty they did on Christian
(05:38):
anything around Duke, you do get this sense that, you know,
everyone kind of looks at Duke as this elitist, this
this small private school in North Carolina that where they
just feel like they're better than you. And here's the
hard part. It's like, I don't know, man, it's a
great education. You've gotta be really smart to go there.
It's pretty sweet. Like I'm not saying they're they're they're better,
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but their test scores might be and they seem like
they're a lot smarter. Like there's there's there's something to
like Duke the basketball for everything? Is that Like I'm
okay with that. And if like you would have viewed
them as the villains, so be it. But the reality
is is he's not a bad guy like people. We're
just absolutely dancing on his grave with the way this
whole thing ended. If you think about it, just super quick,
(06:22):
my bad Joe's but but if you think about it,
it's okay to get better test scores than me. You know.
It's like the reverse right, It's like, oh, LaVar, you're
such a great football player. You tackle so great. You
you can intercept the ball. It's great when when I'm
catching the ball and you know I can run fast
and tackle people. It isn't great when I can balance it,
(06:44):
you know, the ledger of the company or be the
CEO of the company. It's like, hold on, my kid
looks up to you because you're a good football player,
not because you could do the job that I do.
So it's like the reverse right, It's like, hold on, man,
Cherokee Parks Man, you look like you're gonna balance my
ch like you're gonna do my taxes for me. Wait,
hold on, Christian Lightner, you look like you're going to
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represent me in the court of law. Like let's go
like like Latener and Latener, like you know what I mean.
Like it's okay if you guys look that way and
make make get good test scores and and and you're
great in school. I do great. It's a problem when
you're beating Larry Johnson. It's a it's a problem when
you're beating Stacy Augment. It's a it's a problem when
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you're beating because because they're showing you they can do
it all, Like it's that part of the issue that's correct,
that's correct. Then that's envy, Like you wish you could
be in their shoes. Well, you don't wish you could
be in their shoes. You just wish that they weren't
as good as you at what you're good at. But
that's kind of like it's like this human nature. I
(07:49):
don't want you to be as good as me if
you don't look like me. It's like, man, I see
I see you know this guy over here, I see
Larry Johnson, and I know Larry Johnson can jump out
at the gym. I know I'm gonna have my hands
full with Larry Johnson is like, Oh, that's two, that's
goons going at It's like Christian Lake near and Larry
Johnson like what it's like? So it's it shocks and
(08:12):
it shocks your system. It's like, how are these dudes
this good? And why are they always Bobby Hurley? Why
is Bobby Hurley? Why is Wojanowski? Would would you would
your house? Well? How are they doing me it? How
are you doing it? I don't like you because I
(08:32):
don't like you. That's why I can't make it in
the real world. Can you at least let us have
can you? Can we have spend? We have basketball fleet?
Can we have it? Here? Was here was coach k
talking about his time at Duke after the loss on Saturday.
I've been blessed to be in the arena. And when
you're in the arena, you're either gonna come out feeling
(08:55):
great or are you gonna feel agony? But you always
fill feel eight about being in the arena. And I'm
sure that that's the thing when I'll look back that
I'll miss I won't be in the arena anymore. But Dan,
I was in the arena for a long time and
these kids, you know, made my last time in the
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arena an amazing one. And it's it's a bummer. Now
he needs to come back for another year. You can't
go Yeah, you can't. You can't go out like that.
And I understand you don't get to pick oftentimes how
how you end things. But I feel like him looking
(09:37):
at this going I'm gonna have to wear two losses
like that to North Carolina my final home game and
my final game. Period. Look, he can make it through
another season, you know, you know, give Shire some some
more responsibilities, you know, do like a half and half thing,
and then uh, and then have coach k come back
and he loses next year in the round of thirty
two or in the sweet sixteen. As long as it's
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not not to North Carolina. I feel like that's a
better way to end things. There's a lot of truth
to what he said. I mean, there is something about
like that you miss when you're done playing sports. It's
just about being in it. I mean, as and as
much as and I feel like the gambling world can
relate to this. As much as you love winning, there
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also is that feeling of defeat where there's nothing like
the next morning waking up after defeat, whether you're getting
you got your ass kicked, and all the soreness that
you feel, you're going like, I need to like work
this out of my system. I gotta fix it. I
gotta do better. I gotta I gotta be better. And
and you it's that motivation for the next day of
the next game, the next chance, an opportunity you have,
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you know, or like that waking up the next day
after you win, and and none of those bumps and
bruises hurt quite as bad. Like there's nothing like the
feeling of knowing that you've got the opportunity to compete,
to go in the arena, to do something that you love.
I think the hard thing for Coach K is, you know,
I mean, when you're a coach, a lot of it's
out of your hands. I mean, think about the immense
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amount of pressure that the young men who are playing
for Coach K are under knowing that like that's how
he's gonna be remembering they in large part of everything
everything to do about it. I mean, they won the
regular season right for the a c C this year,
but they didn't win the a CEC tournament. They ended
up losing, you know that the regular season finale to
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u n C. They lose in the final four to
U n C. The hard party and all seriousness, you know,
as we joke about if he was to come back
for another year, is if he was to come back,
I mean, are they gonna get to another final four?
There's no guarantee, and and you know, I think it's
not the worst way for it to play out, but
to sit there and say like, oh, they're gonna come,
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I mean, I don't know. Ben Cheryl is probably gonna
be a top two pick in the draft. I would think,
I actually I would take him over Chad Holgren. I
think he's the best player in the draft. And so
you're gonna lose him. YOUNA lose a number of players
to the d after year. I just I don't know
if he wants to start over again, even though I
believe they've got a really good recruiting class for next season.
But I mean, again, he's not going to and they
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go through this whole you know, goodbye tour again. You know,
at seventies seven years old, Ben, it was a good game.
He coached it well, they played well. They had a
couple you know, in those types of games, you have
a couple of mishaps, you miss some free throws that
could you know, put the game in a different situation.
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You you make it a couple of different plays here
or there, and it makes all the difference. They were there.
If they had gotten blown out, if they had lost differently,
then I would say that was the worst loss. But
in in some regard, in some type of way, it's
almost fitting in fashion of someone as great as Mike
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Shoski has been as a coach and what he has
represented to sports, to not go out to someone lesser
than I mean, you, I hate to say it, but
if if I'm gonna go out, let me go out
on on my shield. And I went out against one
of the most historical franchises in college sports, and and
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they're right down the road, and and it's a rivalry,
and and to me, that almost restores some of the
mystique in the prestige of what college sports truly represents.
So I was kind of on the I wanted them
to win, but I was still kind of on the
other side of it, like, if I'm gonna go out,
let me go out to the best. Be sure to
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Radio and the I Heart Radio. Hey sticks, Uh, what's
up with your guy Dan Snyder? You would old Danny boy. Yeah,
I just stuff, just wondering because it's a little little
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it's a little a little little Danny it is. Uh.
So there is there is a why why is his
nose so runny? Is there outside? Now? There is no
there's a there's a report from a J Perez, a
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front office sports It says, uh, Congress is exploring whether
Dan Snyder withheld payments to the visiting team pool, which is, uh,
where a ticket do you have to give? Ticket sales
and revenue that you bring in for games? It doesn't
all just go into your pocket. You've got to divvy
it out. Um and uh he's supposed to give it
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back to the visiting team and all that and um
and Dan Snyder apparently may not have given you know,
his portion and his share. This is this a moment
to to pile on or is it a moment for
me to just just have a moment, you know, like
I don't like this wouldn't be the first time he
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didn't pay somebody. I mean, there, there you go, Like,
there's the punch line. If LaVar is involved in this conversation,
You want to know what the punch line is. Hey, hey, government,
Hey government, go look at LaVar Arrington's contract and and
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and look at when he redid his deal and restructured
his deal to help the team and literally less than
what thirteen hours time to help the team get under
the cap, and there was a bonus missing, and and
it basically ruined my career like that, It basically derailed.
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Everything that transpired after that moment was total chaos, turbulence,
you name it. It would not be the first time
that something of the business manner that just needed to
be taken care of, because that's what it was, was
not handled by Dan Snyder. So this doesn't surprise me.
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For all these years. It's funny, for all these years
people thought that I got cut from the Washington football team.
Back then, they thought I got cut. But what happened
was there was a six million dollars like six point
five if I recall correctly, there was a six point
five million dollars bonus that was was not in the contract,
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and all they needed to do was go back over
it and put it in and it would have took
my earning average back to where it was supposed to be.
Without that average, it dramatically dropped my my earning average
from what it was to to something it was. It
was something crazy I was. I was very cutible at
that point in time. Put it to you like that,
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and it was just it I realized in that moment
because I had nothing to do with it. You know,
contracts like your your agents like come to you. What
numbers are you thinking? Like? These numbers make sense to me.
I want to get to here, like okay, here's what
we're gonna do. Here's how we're going to structure here
is do do okay? Great? Um. I literally had to
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get a a police I jumped in a police car
and they turned the lights on for me to get
from Ashburn, Virginia to to uh green Belt, green Belt, Maryland,
to the team hotel and time enough for meetings. That's
how long the negotiations and and going through it and
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signing everything took place. There were there were missed pages
that weren't signed. There was there was just a couple
of things. There were some you know, clerical errors that
were a part of the contract signing, and and was like,
you know, let them handle it, let them handle it,
and and then then then lo and behold fast forward.
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You know, everything that happened and transpired after that. I
paid my way out. I gave two point five million
dollars back and bonus money to get out. I said,
I'd never worked for Dance Night or another day in
my life because that's just not the type of person
that I would want to work for. I'll go into
a different profession. I'll leave football together before I work
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another another day for for a person like that. And
it doesn't surprise me. And you hear Alex Smith, you know,
he outed them talking about the dysfunction of the organization.
And you know, someone who was drafted as the number
one overall pick and with the San Francisco forty niners,
he went through some of the difficulties with that organization.
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But I don't know that anyone would confuse the two
is the forty Niners being a bad organization. They've had
the rough spots, uh with with Jed York as their
owner or operating as their owner. But you know, really,
when you look at the history of the forty Niners,
they're one of the more storied franchises. He goes to
Kansas City, you know, he makes them a legitimate playoff
team every single year he was there, and then he
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goes to watching It's like, yeah, this place has some issues.
They've got some skeletons in the closet. Uh, they don't.
There's no wonder that it just so happens to coincide
with when Dan Snyder took over the team. They've struggled
to have any consistent success. Here's the crazy thing thing, though,
because they've been to the playoffs like what four or
five times? I think since five times, they've obviously have
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won the division. Granted that recently, which that was in
a crappy year. But still, you know, when you look
at the Washington Commandos whatever we're gonna call him football
team whatever they were before that, as as like bad,
as as dysfunctional as they are, like, they've at least
been to the playoffs. They've at least like won their division.
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There's some teams that have a really hard time saying
that over the past two decades. And that's the crazy
thing when we we hear these offseason storylines is a
as bad as it must be able to feel. Washington
Commandos fan, you still look at some of the other organizations,
You're like, they've even had less success. Oh yeah, listen,
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they've been They've been better than the Giants the last
five six years, not even close. I mean the Jags,
the Lions, of course, you want to throw in there.
I'm gonna ask you a serious questions. Here's a serious question.
So if it comes to be that he is basically
stealing um money from from other owners, this ticket revenue
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that is supposed to be portioned out that he you know,
may not have done. Uh, there's a thought that this
could be it that that now he's burnt the final bridge,
which is the bridge to other owners that have that
have had his back throughout all this stuff. But but
if this, if this isn't it all right, and and
they don't find enough there to be able to take
the team away. Honest question, what is it gonna take
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for this guy to lose his football team. I mean,
at this point, like, why what else is there? It
sounds terrible to respond in this way, but that's the
whole point. That's how this thing is set up. You know,
these men didn't set this whole league up in order
for it to be taken away from him like the
snap of a finger. It's gonna take a knockdown, drag
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out fight, and they're gonna do everything they can to
hold onto one of the thirty two most prize possessions
in the world, let alone our country. So that's the
reality of it is. As as much as everyone in
the outside looks at this and we're like, dude, this
guy needs to go, there's still a point where all
these owners, and as much as they want to point
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fingers or be frustrated or even with this, Like even
as I look at this and I say, look, there's
three things that would always create fights in a locker room, okay, uh, religion, women,
and money. And in the case of the Washington Commandos,
they got their hitting two of the three. And I
don't know if there's some religious issues going on there too,
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but I'm just saying that's the reality is we we
know about all of the stuff in regards to the
cheerleaders and some of the employees. Now it's getting the
point where all right now he's holding back taket revenue
from his partners, the other owners, like these guys, eventus
you're gonna be like, yeah, dude, you're on an island,
like like, save yourself. You're Tom hankson castaway. Figure out,
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figure out how you're getting off the island, because we're
not helping you anymore. But as much as they want
to say that, they might be turned around going, oh man,
I got some skeletons in my clue've done it too,
like like maybe I don't want to be so harsh,
or maybe I don't want to, you know, isolate Dan
little Danny boy, because if I do, he go we
could have a problem. And that's the problem something man,
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that's the well, I mean, look at it like this.
It's not that he has something that no one else has.
Like like Brady just said, there's probably the strong possibility
that if if Dan goes down for some of the
things that are going to take him down, he may
start singing I'm gonna go down. He has shown he's
petty I'm gonna go down swinging like I'm gonna take
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grouting out with me. I'm I'm gonna take uh Alan
out a fall guy. Oh there's like, hey, look over here,
look at Look at John Cruden. Don't look at me.
There certainly are more within the organization that we're abruptly.
When I say abruptly, they were abruptly removed from that building.
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You know that, You know that Jerry Jones has a
lot of influence. I wonder if it gets to the
point where Dan Snyder feels like he's threatened and his
team may go by and by, if he calls Jerry
joneson just says, hey, buddy, you know that little situation
you got going on with that daughter. You don't want
to claim that's twenty five years old. There's more behind
door number two. You want to keep this up. He's
got to have something on somebody. I just don't get
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what what else could be checked off the list because
you mentioned it? Uh you know, money? Uh, women, religion, race,
three of the four, three of the four he has
checked off the list. I just I don't know at
what point, Roger Goodell, what do you mean race? As
far as a team name well, because that was something
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that he inherited anyway, right, Like it wasn't he was
he was, he was, he was guns a blazing. I
remember when I got the call a game out in Arizona,
and I remember, you know, that was starting to become
I think it was in four team maybe something like that,
and it was there was more pressure building on them
to change the name. I mean eight years ago almost,
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and uh, I remember there was there was he was
actually in a box in Arizona, right there on the road.
He was in a box with another like chief from
a different tribe, and they were he was there on
on in like support of Dan Snyder. At least that's
how they wanted it to appear. And so we had
showed them on the broadcast and you could kind of
(24:57):
see them talking, and it was like it was one
of those deals where it was already controversial back then,
and he was doing everything he could have positioned himself
to not have to, you know, face the pushback for
what their team name was and what it should be.
And now some of the things he'd set up, I mean,
if he's been trying to manipulate this whole thing for
a long long time, it's crazy when you think about it.
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I'll tell you what's crazy. Go look at all of
the companies that Dan Snyder has owned, and look at
where they're at currently. That's what's crazy. Go look like
from six Flags to to Rid, Zebra too, whatever it
is else that he's ever owned, Like since since we've
known him, since he's become of relevance because he owns
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he owns the Washington Team. Look at all of the
ventures he's done and check out what they're doing. Well,
I just Google searched red Zebra, and I said, of
not twenty one years of age, I can't click. Was
this like a club? Is just like an establishment? Can
I get your password? Zebra? Yeah? I think that was
It's funny. Yeah, it's kind of funny. I mean I
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thought yours was much funnier than the truth. Do you know?
By the way I'm looking at it, there's like actual
Is that an actual? Now that's on a real zebra?
And never mind? All right, it is two pros and
a cup of Joe here, fix's actually real? Real? Yeah?
Just looking stuff up here, it's it's it's it's bizarre.
What by the way, what is the zebra? They just
spray paint a horse? Is that what it is? They say,
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because the zebra's nose is black, the rest of their
body is black. So they're actually black with white stripes,
is from what I hear. Robert. Don't know how true
that is, Roberto, We're gonna let this pass on a Monday.
We're just gonna let this stuff lie. A brown bear,
a grizzly bear. You know, they have they have black
have black noses too. I don't know. This is like
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a Santa Claus conversation. That's like, who you ask Santa
Claus doesn't look the same, you know, I think the
same thing as the origin with the zebra. It's like
everyone's got their own interpretation, which is a stripe so
much harm. But I'm telling you, I told you all.
I got one of my boy's house and I was like, oh,
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Santa looks different over here. I didn't think about that
before I was I was like twelve years old. I
was like, I didn't really think about like how people
have different perspective on what Santa Claus. I was like,
sant it could be different. That's kind of a zebra.
Let's two pros and a cup of joe here, on
Fox Sports Radio. The rid zeb really is a strip club.
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I mean it sounded like it. It's a strip Jersey.
It's a good good spot there. Yeah, and Mattawan New
Jersey Sports Bower and Lounge. Yeah, it's all Yeah. I
just randomly popped up. Do we lose LaVar for the
rest of the same Yeah, Well I would LaVar. I
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got off, I got off, I got off, I would
use it, I would use different terminology. Oh id that, buddy,
that might be the funniest fall into a horrible statement
that I've ever made in my entire existence, Brady, happens
when you bring up a little Danny boys, all sudden
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you start falling into different things. That's so, what's happening around?
I swiped and got the page down off of my phone. Yeah,
there we go. There is It is Two Pros and
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I don't know if if you guys saw this, but
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it is a spring football game season around college football,
so a lot of these things are heating up. And uh,
we talked about how Michigan had an honorary captain. Um
Colin Kaepernick was was there at the Amazing Blue Game
they call it, and UM, yeah, he was. He was
the honorary captain. Obviously his relationship with Jim Harbaugh. And
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he threw at halftime, so he put on a little
bit of a throwing display at at halftime and UM
and Kaepernick actually spoke afterwards, and I don't know that
he's actually Yeah, well because how shocked by that? Well? Yeah,
how often is he actually talked in the last five
six years? Like, yes, I think every time he's got
a scripted something for himself, he de talk, you know,
(30:03):
quite frequently. Yeah. Well, okay, so off a teleprompter, you're saying,
no, no no, no, he's not Joe Biden. I'm thinking, like
every single time. No, I'm just what I'm saying. Every
single time he's like he's own workout or something else happening.
What No, by time I see profter, That's what I'm
talking about. Man, nobody's say he is getting LaVar. He's
(30:29):
the can man. Anybody can get it today. Anybody can't
get mean anyone. It seems like every time they've got
to remember when he had the NFL set up the
workout and he did his own thing. He talked after that,
and it's like he's got another one. After this pro
day where he spoke, because obviously they set it up
for him, He's got another one. He's got some other
(30:49):
NFL showcase thing he's trying to get teams come out
for it. I hope someone signs him, I really do.
It's not about now he um, I don't care. I
hope he does. He's electing content. Well, it's he was
talking about just you know, wanting to showcase his his skills,
that he could still throw it and he can still
get out there and and and play a little bit
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and and toss it around. And then afterwards he spoke
about his desires and his message to teams. Yeah, his
message to NFL teams, I can help make you a
better team. I can help you win games. I know
right now the situation likely won't won't allow me to
come in and step into a starting role. I know
I'll be able to work my way to that though,
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and show that very quickly. So to the teams that
have questions. More than anything, I would say no, I'd
love to come in for a workout. I'd love to
sit down with you and have that conversation about how
I can help you be a better team. All right,
just let's see, six years removed, he's gonna it just
all seems loaded anymore. Really, part of me wishes, yeah, right,
(31:57):
part of me wishes I could root for him as
an underdog. But there's so much connected to every single
time he does this now for it just so, just
so all the social justice warriors you have no effing
clue about uh sports, can shut up. But get him
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on a team. Let's see if he can play or not.
And and and look and LaVar laid this out when
we initially started talking about this, probably had a month
or two ago whenever it was. And you're right, like,
it's no matter what if he just gets that opportunity,
there's always gonna be the yeah, but he didn't get
enough reps, or he didn't get a fair shot, or
it was a bad situation. It's always gonna be that
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because that's how that part of our culture and society works.
Their excuse makers. The reality is doing it well. And
that's fine if that's why he's doing it. I just
hope someone actually gives And by the way, like you
see those news about Pete Carroll, Pete Carroll's championed, like
the Colin Apertive conversation, We're like, dude, of all the
(33:02):
teams that could use a quarterback, it's you, you sign
up at Pete Carroll so full of crap, like he's
had he's had years to mold this over. They brought
him in multiple times that it happened years ago. They
brought him in for a workout, and then he was
talking openly about it. It's like, what are you waiting for,
like sign him? And here's the other thing too, worst
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case scenario, you bring him in, he's not very good.
Let me tell you something. Is he not a draw?
Is he not a draw at a preseason game? Is
he not a draw? Ratings wise to some of these
preseason games that we get to see play out, I
think people would actually show up or tune in to
watch and just see how it works, like see if
it happens, and and and at this point, why not
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if he's serious about wanting to be compete and and
be a backup somewhere, And that's always been my thing,
like does he understand that he's not going to be
a starter? Is he willing to be a backup? If
he's willing to do it, I don't see why a
team in the NFL wouldn't want to bring him in
outside of the distraction aspect. But you know, he's not
going to be there for the whole preseason. Maybe he
only makes it to the first game, right into the
(34:07):
second game before you cut him, But why not take
a chance at it and why not bring him in if,
if anything, just for interest level alone. It's like, it's
not only it's not so much for interest level for me.
I just think six years removed from him playing is
is you know last football he he wasn't playing at
a good level of the last couple of years now.
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There are circumstances out around him that probably didn't help either,
and he wasn't helping coming into the sixteen season. We've
got all all over this right because the unfortunate reality
of anything we say is it gets cut up into
a snippet. No one listens to the entire piece about
us talking about Colin kapern I has a quarterback when
he last played six years ago. The truth is, statistically
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it looked okay, But when you talk to people on
the team, people in the league, they're like, yeah, he's
not a starter anymore. He's a backup. And so the
question becomes, does he feel comfortable being in that position
even though he's gonna be in the limelight. Does a
team feel comfortable bringing him in knowing he's in that
position but the reality is he's gonna be in the
limelight you know, it was no different than kind of
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with with Tim Tebow in regards to at some point,
you know, he became a distraction because the focus was
on a guy who's not even on the field, and
that's a problem for the team. It's a problem at
that position in particular, because that guy's got to be
the one voice as a leader in the locker room
and everything that he's doing on the field, and unfortunately,
like that's that's gonna be. The hesitation from teams is
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the distraction that comes along with it. But like I
keep saying, I'm fascinated to see if he could still
do it, because I mean, anyone could sit there in
a T shirt and shorts and go throw the football round.
You know. I used to do that for years, even
after I was done playing, because I said, I was like,
these guys need work. I like doing it. It's nice
being outside throwing around people. You've still got it. Yeah,
of course you can when you're in a T shirt
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and shorts. It's different when you actually have to go
in game plan, prepare and do it with you know, helmet,
shoulder pads on when people are coming at you. That's
a different feeling. That's a different deal. Walking around and
t shirts short and throwing the guys that's nothing. You
should be able to complete all your passage or look
like you can still throw the football. That that's part
(36:15):
of that job. It's part of how that works. You
want to know. The craziest aspect of all of this,
this conversation, and in so many ways, is that guys
that are washed try out all the time. I have
been in locker rooms where you can I've seen a
(36:36):
who's who of people walk in those doors and try
out and walk out those doors after trying out. It
is a common thing to see guys trying to get
back into the league, and they have designated days for
guys to work out. So to me, the fact that
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he goes and these these these very very interesting forums
and and says that he's ready to go, and he's
waiting for a team to give him an opportunity. These
these workouts happened at facilities all the time. So if
if he hasn't if he hasn't gone and thrown over
(37:24):
the duration of time that he's been out of the game,
if he hasn't gone in and out and and and
for all those people listening, that may say, well, they're
not giving him a chance. They're not giving him a chance. Uh, relax,
they will bring you if you come in if you're
aging calls hey, he you know, wins the open Day.
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I think it was usually Tuesdays during the season, maybe
Mondays it was. I'm not I don't recall. I mean,
I've been out for a while, but they always had guys,
no matter how old they were, no matter what type
of shape they were in, no matter what. You could
come in to a a facility, run the forty run routes,
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throw the ball, do drills. They'll they'll they'll take you
in to do that. So when I see these things
take place, knowing it from the other side of it,
it's it really is for to me, it's for something else.
It's for it's for content grabbing. It's like, I'm going
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to put this out there. It's almost like he read
the same script from the last time he worked out.
It almost sounds the same exact way, like almost like robotic,
like like I would like to come back in and
I would play. I know that I can improve somebody's team.
Just give me the opportunity. I'll show you that I
can play. It's like he's saying the same exact thing. Yeah,
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but the best case scenario for him is that he
doesn't get a try out because then people can continue
to push this thing out there, like the continue to
continue with the same because it eventually dies. Right, Like,
he gets to a certain age and you get far
enough removed where you go. Yeah. No, one's like, how
how old is Colin Kaepernick? Now? I think I think
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he's let me just let me just double check that here,
I got thirty four four. Yeah, yeah, so it's thirty four,
I mean two more years removed. Are we looking at
a guy who's been out of the league for eight
years and is that thirty six which it looks. Spare
me the well Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. Okay, they've
been playing their entire career at a higher level than
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he even was close to sniffing at any point, at
any point, even his best year. So funny about when
you're mentioning his final because you called his final game, right.
That was one of the things that I just remember
people that were Kaepernick ball washers after the fact when
talking about him not getting a chance sixteen and four,
sixteen and four four, the team was a bag of crap.
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They were terrible, Like sixteen and four my ask. He
was one intensive starter. Yeah, and a lot of that
came in garbage time when you break actually break down
the analytics for all those like doors, you just read
the box score. And the other thing was is like
look at hip Kelly offenses, Like who didn't perform well
in a chip Kelly offense? Everybody He had one of
(40:19):
his best like statistical seasons ever, Sam Bradford, you go
through all the it's like, no one's gonna no one's
gonna question the offensive prowess of chip Kelly. Like at
any level he's been at, he's a great offensive mine.
And that was clearly something that still operating work then.
But a lot of that was smoking mirrors because it
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came in garbage time and when you again, when you
talk to teams that prepared for him, when you talk
to you know, his own team, and some of the
limitations that he was able to do. You know, there
was there was those comments like, well, you know, we
gotta do certain things, and you talked to other team,
they're like, well, he's kind of a one and done,
like a one and run quarterback. First, guy's not there,
(41:00):
he's gotta run, he's gonna move on. And that's how
they viewed him, and that's how he was. And if
you can't evolve to be more than that once the
league figures what you are as a mobile quarterback, if
you can't read a progression, read a defense, understand where
to go, change plays in the line of scrimmage, all
that good stuff, you will never evolve to be one
of the greats. And he was never evolving into that
(41:20):
at any point in his career. So you know, again,
does he does he want to come in and be
a backup? Maybe it sounds like he's he's changed his
tune on all that. Like I said, I hope he
gets I hope he gets a shot because I want
to see how it all plays out. I think it'd
be good for our show. It could be good for
sports media man Tiger Woods. Yeah, Kaepernick, I don't. I
(41:43):
don't know which one I hate more. Think the headline
of I'm so tired of it. I'm just tired of
I mean, like, we're gonna let this stuff fly. I mean,
there's a theme. There's a theme here. I mean I
just think you know that's you. You can hit the button.
I'm just tired of the headline. I don't care what
color either one of them are. I mean, the bottom
(42:04):
line is is like the headline is played out. It's
just played out, like I get it, like it's played out.
And to be and to be honest with you, I
don't even know that today if he were to go
for a trial, I'm not even so sure that the
(42:24):
social justice warriors and cancel culture, I'm not even so
sure that they're even dialed into this anymore. I really
don't at the end of the day. At the end
of the day, there are other things that are happening
in our culture and our world that that need focus
and attention. And whether Kaepernick makes a return or not
(42:45):
is not high like that was once high on the list,
like that was going to be a social justice victory
if Kaepernick got back on the team. I don't think
that that intensity is still there. So honestly speaking, it
really doesn't like does it even really matter at this
moment in time, Like if it has something to do
(43:07):
with social justice, great, But if you're continuing to try
to leverage your following to get an opportunity to get
on the team, just try to get on the team. Yeah,
but you know if he does get try out or
some team does bring him in, I mean it's so
much better. To Brady's point, for our show, what we
want to talk about baseball and July come on, I
(43:28):
mean we want to talk about baseball. I'll listen. Um,
you know we will have to talk about slam ball.
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