April 5, 2022 • 28 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington debate whether the National Championship was won by the better team in Kansas, or gagged away by North Carolina. Brady breaks down the multiple draft picks trade between the Saints and Eagles. Plus, Bobby Wagner wants his revenge, Colin Kaepernick as a coach and an OJ sighting on The Scraps.
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Is the best of two pros in a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Foort Radio Rock Chalk Jayhawk, the Kansas Jayhawks get it done.
How about it? Say Eddie's largest comeback ever. It's probably
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some people who turned that game off at halftime. We're like,
it ain't happening, They're not coming back. And now you
did mention the first part of history. There's actually two
doses of history last night. All right, So largest comeback
in the history of a championship game and biggest gag
job in the history of a championship game by the
North Carolina tar Heels. I mean, what the why is
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it a gag job? Why can't it be a can't
be both? Why can't it be both? You need You
can't sit there and say a team came back after
the team they had a gag job because they had
to come back. Yeah, North Carolina. But you're okay the gag.
You're saying the team came back. You're giving them the
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benefit of saying they overcame. They are the ones, They're
the reason why they won that game. They came back.
If you're saying a team gagged it away. You're then saying, well,
that team really didn't come back. The other team just
played like trap in the second half. Listen, you can't
spill in North Carolina with that gag o. Jeez, that's
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actually one one. Both can be true. A team can
come back from a deficit, and a team can play
there themselves out of the league or out of the elite,
which to me is a gag job. I thought, gag
job like I'll tell you when I saw hold on
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New England down to Atlanta come back and win that?
Or is that a gag job by Alan because I
would say this, there's not one person I know that
gives New England right for coming back and says says,
gag job by Atlanta. Well now you do. I mean, well,
now you can't say no one. I'll jump into that
category because you're taking your point. Now ask you a
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week from now. Probably a different respond might be sports radio.
You might be right, but I might still stand on
the fact. Can they gagged it away? Can we give
a round of applause for someone? Though? Did we get
a round of applause? Um? Someone didn't know if if
their prognostication would ever come to life. But Jonah Stocks
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he finally finally hit it on, talking about I mean,
it's took a while, it's took a lot of games,
a lot of losses, and talking about gag jobs and overcoming,
jon finally hit it over under. Studio audience in attended
to you. That's a round of applause. Look, you just
keep going back to the wild, you keep going there.
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Eventually you're gonna hit it under. And uh and it
turned out that way. Now, the problem was, I think
what was the over under had a condo overtime, not
feeling too confident about about the ability of of course
not but uh, but listen to and Kansas tried to
do their best part by stepping out of bounds on
an inbounds play late in that game to get North Carolina.
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And Carolina did the same exact thing while they were
gagging the game. I think you all just want to
say gag this morning. I mean, when they were shooting
those three towards in the center tours in the game layups,
they were gagging the game away. They agreed, choking it
all the way about about couldn't breathe nothing, nothing zed
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standing in the corner you know, looking around and just
standing behind watching them, and it's just Bruce Well, Bruce Willis, Yeah,
just there. There was a lot going on. It was
a phenomenal game though. It was fantastic, a great final four. Uh,
and Kansas wins their fourth national title. And they were
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the best team in the tournament if you just go
game by game performance wise, they were the best team
in the tournament. They were down fifteen and half. It
did not look good at all after they got off
to a hot start and then uh, and then all
of a sudden they got hot in the second half.
North Carolina didn't have enough going there. I know Doug
gott Leap throughout on Twitter that he thinks Duke the
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fatigue from the Duke game really got to North Carolina.
I don't know that I necessarily buy into that. That
just felt like big and then they had to lead late.
Manic hit that that put back and they were up
by a point and had to lead late. But unfortunately,
you know, uh, if you had you know, North Carolina
plus four and a half, you were better team one. Yeah,
I mean, come on, like, we don't did forget anything else?
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Like That's why I feel like it was Kansas who
won this game and a comeback over up off to
a big, big lead at halftime, really in the first half.
Like that's the reality of it. North Carolina was an
overachieving team in this tournament. They were gonna be the
second what eight seed ever since Villanova to win it.
And let's be real about it, it was a great run. Um.
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I think you look at the team and its entirety
and just like the heart and everything else that they showed,
they're a fun team to watch. At the end of
the day, though, Kansas was the better team, and the
better team ended up winning. And that's usually how it
works when you're playing basketball and you have more talent
on one side than the other. Like that was the
reality and and Lavore said it, they had no answer
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for McCormick. They had no answer for him whatsoever. By
the way, Christian Brawn. If you if you think about
the ultimate Kansas Jayhawk, okay dude was born in Kansas,
I think it won like three state titles. Is the
Kansas Gatorade State Player of the Year, had almost twenty offers,
ended up going to Kansas, and the dude ends up
balling out and now winning a national championship, Like, pretty
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cool story for a kid that I think literally might
might turn into a Jayhawk in his second life. But um,
they were the better team, Like there's no other way
around it like that. That's that's why I feel like,
again not going back to that debate, but it wasn't
a gag job. It's it's like UNC had to play
the way they did in the first half of the
entirety of the game in order to win, and law
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of averages played out, and the better team one. You know,
Hubert Davis seemingly about his his sentiments kind of echoes
what you're saying. But I still think it was a
gag job. And I just, you know, and I thought
the floor gag job Baycot, Like, I thought that there
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were a lot of things that just got weird, like
when not when the kid came inbounds to inbounds the
ball and just steps in bounds and had no one
to pass the ball to. I said, Oh, they're gonna lose.
I said, that's the moment I knew. I was like,
you know what, And you look, you could see Hubert
Davis on the sideline. He kept taking his glasses off
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and put them back on at that moment, I was like,
you know what, he knows it too. I was surprised
he didn't call time out, Like I was like in
my mind, I'm like, call time out. That's one of
those plays. You get them, you you huddle them up,
you tell them, this is the biggest game of your
lives to date. Like let's let's calm down, let's relax,
let's chill out, and let's keep playing to our hill basketball. Yes,
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Kansas comes in on paper as the better team. Yes,
you were going to have a difficult time with McCormick
down low A jih he is that is how you
said a John he lets say it's like the running
back um. Anyway, you were going to have problems with
their guys. But you know what it was bench play
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Remy Remy Martin like came in and gave him a
spark um that was really uh maybe maybe the catalyst
in some regards. I just thought that Carolina got sloppy
and and I think, you know the way I looked
at it, in the way I felt when I saw
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the way the league got away from him, It's like
they pulled up. It's like that that fours or maybe
even the eight hundreds, right, yeah, maybe four. They go around.
They got such a good lead that they they actually
took the time to turn around and look. And then
they turned around and looking they saw Kansas with that kick,
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and when they saw their kick, they didn't have an
answer for the kick, and they lost the race in
the end. To me, they should have just stayed on
the pedal, not not relaxed, and and and and felt
as though this was a game that was in control
and out of reach for Kansas, and they should have
did what got them there. You said they had to
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come out and play the way they did to be
in the game with Kansas. All they had to do
was keep doing that in the second half and they
But it's hard to do that. Like, how many teams
have jumped out to that sort of lead versus Kansas?
How many how many first asks as Kansas had this
year where they they played that way to start off
a game. I would go back to the Final four game,
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they beat the ever living crap out of Villanova from
the wire to wire. It was never even a close
besides zero zero from the beginning of the game. I mean,
that's that was I don't want to say that was
their path necessarily to the National Championship, but I think
they had one of the more smoother paths in comparison
to some of the other teams. And I don't know,
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maybe Doug's right, maybe un see, I was feeling that
a little bit from that battle with Duke and them
was but I don't know about the rest of them.
But what was the when Baycot went down with the injury.
Um I think Bill Raftery was trying to say that
Kansas didn't attack the missing player because Bacon was down
at the end of and he's like, well, you know,
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I think they're you know, good sportsmanship, trying to you know,
give him time to recover. And I'm thinking to myself
it was that build self's plan. He's probably he's probably
looking at that as an opportunity, like, hey man, we
got a five on four, like, let's we're players just
expecting them to call time out, and because there was
an injured player on the other end of the floor,
it just it seemed it seemed a little odd, And
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in that moment, I find it hard to believe that
they wanted to show good sportsmanship and make sure he
got up. At that point, You're trying to win, I
would have been pointing at him like let's go, let's
go down. I'm kind of with with Jonas's thought though,
like as a player, you see a dude down, Like
I get that everyone's trying to be cutthroat, but I
don't know some part of me to be like expecting
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eventually the whistle of blow, Hey, let's get this guy
out the floor gets hurt, he gets hurt. Yeah, But
like I just I think that's more of the side
of me where I'm like, do you want to be
able to then be the guy who was like, oh yeah,
we took advantage of that guy down on the floor
and that was the pivotal moment of the game to
win it. I mean like, like, here's the problem. I'm
not that guy, Like, I don't want to be that guy.
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That guy, well, definitely not where you're gonna come back
and go, well, yeah, dude, the guy got hurt and
you guys got a cheap way up because you were
five on four. Like, I don't want to be that guy.
And that's why I feel like, I don't know, maybe
that thought entered their head and maybe that guy so
much we tended to we tend to look though, like
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and I don't know if you guys fill a way,
but like I was watching the game, and sometimes you're
like questioning kids decisions or or what they do and
all that you kind of forget, like these kids are
eighteen years old, sometimes seventeen. Yeah, the days there, but
you forget that, like you forget how young they are. Yeah,
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it's like and so so when you see like a team,
it's not they don't gag it away. They just they're young.
Like they're gonna make mistakes. It's college sports, Like why
in the like you're not It's it's not like it's
their job out there with the way they're playing, and
then they're gonna make those mistakes, like there's still an
element of inexperience. I just I don't know, I tend
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I think. And I heard some some rumblings after the
game because I had sources there in New Orleans who
were looking into this, and they were saying that part
of the reason why they didn't take advantage of when
Baycott was down at the other end of the floor
Kansas is because they knew that North Carolina was already
gagging the game away. And so I felt like there was.
It wasn't necessary. We don't have to rush. His gag
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was worse than everyone's else. He couldn't get you know,
I believe will be sure to catch live editions of
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I Heart Radio app. So we've we've been talking about
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how it's been a wild offseason for the NFL, a
lot of movement trades, things like that, and um, there
was another trade yesterday, this one unlike any that I
can recall seeing. Uh, and I figured, you know, with
all the numbers, we're going to throw a people to
try and break this down. We need a little bit
of a theme song to go along with it, so
so hit it live studio band here. So here's how
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it works. It's the Saints and the Eagles starring in
this multiple draft pick trade. Yesterday in the NFL Strange,
the Saints traded their first round pick number eighteen, their
fourth and sixth round picks this year, number one on
one and number two thirty seven of first next year,
and a second in two thousand, twenty four to the
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Eagles in exchange for two first number sixteen and number
nineteen this year and a six number one this year.
And that concludes are multiple mid round, mid first round
draft pick and other round draft pick trades between the
Saints and the Eagles. Here on Fox Sports Radio, somebody
explained to me, what the hell is going I couldn't
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understand when I read it, and I've I've seen it.
I was like, I hope Brady got it because I
can't explain it. What's happening here? Um? Yeah, So if
you look at essentially what the Eagles did is they
probably felt like with three first round picks, it's not
that they can't afford them. That is part of that
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is part of the logic to it, right, Like, you're
gonna be coming up on three guys who you're gonna
have to figure out whether or not you need to
extend them all at the same time, Right, that can
be difficult. I think one of the thoughts too, is,
you know, if if you're looking at this draft, they
might be saying, hey, dude, we're stuck. You know, in
between ten and twenty, there's not really you know, three
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guys we feel like you're gonna come in right away
and either a make the roster, make the impact we're
hoping they're going to make. So why not push it
a year from now? Um and and But that way
we can kind of balance out our our draft and
our ability to go grab a couple of good players
we feel really good about, or package those two together,
whether this year or next year, and be able to
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then move up to take a player we really feel
good about. Like that's the reality of it with need
these picks, is you want to be able to find
someone that's gonna be a starter your roster for a decade, right,
Like that's the hope you're able to find in all this.
What I don't really understand is why now. I mean,
you have so much time before the draft. Usually when
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you see these sorts of trades happen, it's maybe the
week of the day before. You know, you kind of
wait to search out to see if if this is
the best offer, and you push to that draft deadline
in order to do it. So my only thought to
why this happened now is that maybe either Philly is
trying to work on something or New Orleans trying to
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work on something to create a package to get something
or someone else, or maybe maneuver even higher up the
draft board. Who knows, But you know, I think this
is um. It's an interesting move by Philly, and hopefully
people understand this too. When you trade a future draft pick, um,
the team that's receiving that doesn't look at at future
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draft pick today. So the first rounder that Philly receives,
they don't look at that first rounder today as a
first round pick. They view it today as a second
round pick, if that makes sense, and second round pick
ifew as a third round pick. And it's because the
immediacy of having that pick now holds more weight or
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value to not only the team that's using that pick,
but also any other team that needs that pick to
go draft a player. Right, And so that's the other
thing about this is when you look at it and
you're like, all right, you know, they gave up one
of their first round picks for a future first round pick,
that's like kind of even swapped there. It's really not.
If you talked to a lot of front office executives,
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they will not view it that way. They will say, now,
it's more like a second round pick. And then that
second round picks more like a third round pick. So
that's typically how a lot of these teams behind closed
doors view future picks in these trades and draft compensation.
If that makes sense, it didn't to me, But I'll
say this, okay, time value of money, all right, A
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dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. Does
that make sense to you, like you would rather have
or tomorrow is worth more than a dollar today because
of it? No, because it loses out on the opportunity
to an interest, and obviously you lose out an inflation.
So very similar to that. You know, the immediacy of
having that now cash now is more valuable than having it.
You know. That's that same amount we're talking about in
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the future. Thank you. Yeah, I get it. I get that. Yeah.
I'll just say this. I don't get why you would
give up two first rounders and only got one out
of the deal. That's that's to me fundamentally speaking, where
I live in I guess the world of what my
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sensibility is and practicalities of of of using it. I
don't get it. I don't get why you would give
up one because you again, regardless of of of that
re sending that one is a two, two is a three.
You still gave up to two one's. I mean, granted
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one is offset by the other, but it's even a
lower it's even a lower draft pick, right like the
one Philly gave up with sixteen, they got eighteen. They
got eighteen, which was higher than their nineteen, which was
higher than their nineteen. They give up the nineteen, and
there's and they have their original it was a fifteen
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or thirteen or so whatever the other one was. Yeah,
I just I don't know, And I guess because I'm
more well, I'm not a front office guy, for one,
but then for two, I just I just think that
you can never have too much talent. And if you're
going to have to do redo a contract like by
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eighteen nineteen, that's not a that's not a tremendously large contract.
Maybe if it's a quarterback, it's it's a decent size
based off of whatever that slotting is for a QB.
But I don't I don't know that those those numbers
are that high for that number of a pick. Why
not get somebody that can possibly either turn into trade value,
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turns into a possible franchise guy. Maybe someone who plays
a role that helps your team win more. This is
not a team that is good enough to be taught.
You know, well, we'll defer this one until this time,
and we'll make sure that we plan for this one
two years and three years from now. Philly. You're not
good enough to do that. So I don't understand why
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they're not being aggressive, And maybe they are. I just
don't get it. Maybe it's outside of my realm of understanding,
but why are you not being more aggressive about trying
to get as much talent as you can? And if
that's leveraging those draft picks. I want something that shows
me I have the value I get, uh, Davonte Adams.
I get a player that can come in and and change,
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you know, a Tyreek Hill. Why not put those those
picks on I rekill. Here's what I've seen that's been
speculated from the New Orleans standpoint why they would do
the deal to get up to sixteen. Now, it's because
they are. One of the things that was thrown out
there is well, maybe they felt like they needed to
jump the Chargers at seventeen so that way they could
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guarantee their guys going to be there. Dude, we're talking
about the middle of the first round, we have no
idea who the hell is going to be there, Like, like,
this isn't a top two situation where you know who's
going number one, So just trade up to two so
you can ice out whoever's picking at three. It's the
middle of the first round. We have no idea how
this hole does have to justify anything. Like they won
they won the trade that like to me, I just
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at a glance, they won that. That just to be clear,
I mean the Eagles still have two first correct, they
only they only gave up one this year in order
to have an additional one next year and then move
up a little bit with their second one of the
first round this year and add in a fourth and
sixth round pick this year. So but they did lose
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a first round pick, right, did not? They got a
future one one next year, So it's even Yeah, as
as far as on paper, the way it looks that
they swapped it, just like I said before, where where
it didn't make as much sense as they're taking a
future first round pick that in the short term as
of today, right now, it's looked more like a second
round pick. As far as the value scales you look
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at when you're in the front office light that makes
more say I thought they gave up two first rounders
and didn't get to and return. That's how I ready
they got. They got the number eight, so they still
have the number fifteen pick and the number eighteen pick
in this year's first round. Then they got New Orleans
first round pick in and a second round pick in
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as well as the fourth and sixth round pick this
year from the Saints. So they did get a good
amount of consideration. I just think it plays in the
first thing you said, LaVar, I don't I don't know
that you want, you know, three guys in the first
round that you're you're trying to have hits on if
you don't love all of them, and in the middle
of the first round, you know, I don't know, I
don't know how many of those guys are saying like, yeah,
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we absolutely love this draft class, and when we love,
what's gonna be potentially be there because to Jonas's point,
they don't know what's gonna be there. There's there's there's
no idea you can know how the rest of the
draft is going to go. And so maybe they maybe
they're thinking their heads. Hey, let's go ahead and plan
more for the future so we can have more sustained
maybe success either building around Jalen Hurts or having the
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draft capital in the future to trade up to replace him.
Like I think that's more of what this is about.
From Philly standpoint. This this roster is is loaded to
the point where it Hurts has another opportunity to prove
whether or not he's the guy. But guess what if
he's not? Bryce Young C J. Stroud. They all sitting
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there waiting, and I guarantee you, I don't know which
one it will be that will go in this order,
I guarantee you they're gonna go one to the next
year's draft. I guarantee that. Be sure to catch live
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What we've missed late you guys. Bobby Wagner made his
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deal with the Rams official yesterday after unceremoniously being released
by the Seattle Seahawks, and he let his displeasure be
known a little bit here, take a listen. A lot
of people think that you know it went into my
decision being able to play the Seahawks. I don't have
that much take in my heart. I really wanted to
be happy, and we wanted to be you know, close
to home and and and stay on the West coast.
That was important to me. But playing the Seahawks twice
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a year was a cheery on top. I'll make sure
they see me every time later so they'll know where
I'm at you. I'll make sure I'll tell them it
won't be a quiet game for you. I mean, but
you just said that wasn't really what played into it.
Yet you made sure to make that very clear towards
the end. I mean why he was upset about the
way that they that he found out he was being
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released by the team. Uh. He seems like he can
still play at a high level. We've talked about it
with Brady that you know, he's probably a Hall of
Famer Bobby Wagner, So, um, you know this seems like
for those two games of OAR, he's gonna be very
fired up about it. Do you remember your did you
play against Washington when you want one? I mean, come on,
man and coming out one game out of it? Oh
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who was ready to go and made sure they knew
I was there? Now did you walk by anybody specifically
and run your mouth to him during the game? Or
I talked bad? I talked bad when I played, I
talked bad. I hit I hit Clinton one at the
one time so hard he tried. He I knew Clinton
was a chipper, a chip blocker, so he tried. He
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tried to hide and then come chip me but I
knew he was going to be there, and I put
all my weight on that shoulder. Bro, you had to
pick that shoulder up off of the ground and go
on over to the sideline. And I just I just
remember everything that I did, every every action that I
took that game was purely to to like emasculate every
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single person that I was going up against. And and
we got the dub. We got the dub. Like all
the stuff that those coaches were saying, some of the
slick ask that some of the uh, maybe one player
in particular, I won't say his name, UM had said,
you know, questioning my intellect at my i Q level
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and stuff like that. Um, we wanted that ass, and
I got one opportunity to play against him before blowing
my kid at least in it. So, yes, I can
understand one. I didn't even have the career that Bobby
Wagner had, and I can't even imagine how he's gonna
fill when he faces his former team. That's gonna be fun.
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You guys, we saw calling Kaepernick throwing during half time
of the spring games. Again, Well, apparently Jim Harber might
have floated the idea of Kaepernick joining him as a
potential quarterback coach for Minnesota when he interviewed for the
job there, And did you see the knuckleballs he was throwing?
I mean, I was wanting to be your quarterback. Listen,
do you know the weather conditions up in ann Arbor
and in March in April? I mean, come on, this
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is uh you know, this is a troubling time of
a year to throw the football around them. One thing
I will tell you he will get a lot of
recruits interested in going there if he gets Kaepernick. So
he's an influential figure. Bro. Yeah, I mean you can't
There's a lot of things you can say about him.
One thing you can't say is he is beloved by
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a ton of people. I don't know if you guys
caught this. There's a viral video on TikTok out there
of O. J. Simpson being woken up by a bunch
of girls, one of them being in Cole Brown lookalike
late at night. It's uh, it's so it is so
weird that he just roams around and it's like, I mean,
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are we so desensitized that we just lose focus of
the fact that the guy probably murdered two people. I
mean most likely, like we're just so desensitized, like whatever,
Just let him mingle among the rest of us. Everything's
fine here. Well he did, it's time for what he
did get caught. I mean, he's I guess he's just
enjoying being the juice. I know he's big into fantasy football.
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I know that. So he's big. Ill have an opinion
is about things that take place to come Yeah, so
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Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Foort Radio Rock Chalk Jayhawk, the Kansas Jayhawks get it done.
How about it? Say Eddie's largest comeback ever. It's probably
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some people who turned that game off at halftime. We're like,
it ain't happening, They're not coming back. And now you
did mention the first part of history. There's actually two
doses of history last night. All right, So largest comeback
in the history of a championship game and biggest gag
job in the history of a championship game by the
North Carolina tar Heels. I mean, what the why is
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it a gag job? Why can't it be a can't
be both? Why can't it be both? You need You
can't sit there and say a team came back after
the team they had a gag job because they had
to come back. Yeah, North Carolina. But you're okay the gag.
You're saying the team came back. You're giving them the
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benefit of saying they overcame. They are the ones, They're
the reason why they won that game. They came back.
If you're saying a team gagged it away. You're then saying, well,
that team really didn't come back. The other team just
played like trap in the second half. Listen, you can't
spill in North Carolina with that gag o. Jeez, that's
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actually one one. Both can be true. A team can
come back from a deficit, and a team can play
there themselves out of the league or out of the elite,
which to me is a gag job. I thought, gag
job like I'll tell you when I saw hold on
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New England down to Atlanta come back and win that?
Or is that a gag job by Alan because I
would say this, there's not one person I know that
gives New England right for coming back and says says,
gag job by Atlanta. Well now you do. I mean, well,
now you can't say no one. I'll jump into that
category because you're taking your point. Now ask you a
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week from now. Probably a different respond might be sports radio.
You might be right, but I might still stand on
the fact. Can they gagged it away? Can we give
a round of applause for someone? Though? Did we get
a round of applause? Um? Someone didn't know if if
their prognostication would ever come to life. But Jonah Stocks
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he finally finally hit it on, talking about I mean,
it's took a while, it's took a lot of games,
a lot of losses, and talking about gag jobs and overcoming,
jon finally hit it over under. Studio audience in attended
to you. That's a round of applause. Look, you just
keep going back to the wild, you keep going there.
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Eventually you're gonna hit it under. And uh and it
turned out that way. Now, the problem was, I think
what was the over under had a condo overtime, not
feeling too confident about about the ability of of course
not but uh, but listen to and Kansas tried to
do their best part by stepping out of bounds on
an inbounds play late in that game to get North Carolina.
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And Carolina did the same exact thing while they were
gagging the game. I think you all just want to
say gag this morning. I mean, when they were shooting
those three towards in the center tours in the game layups,
they were gagging the game away. They agreed, choking it
all the way about about couldn't breathe nothing, nothing zed
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standing in the corner you know, looking around and just
standing behind watching them, and it's just Bruce Well, Bruce Willis, Yeah,
just there. There was a lot going on. It was
a phenomenal game though. It was fantastic, a great final four. Uh,
and Kansas wins their fourth national title. And they were
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the best team in the tournament if you just go
game by game performance wise, they were the best team
in the tournament. They were down fifteen and half. It
did not look good at all after they got off
to a hot start and then uh, and then all
of a sudden they got hot in the second half.
North Carolina didn't have enough going there. I know Doug
gott Leap throughout on Twitter that he thinks Duke the
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fatigue from the Duke game really got to North Carolina.
I don't know that I necessarily buy into that. That
just felt like big and then they had to lead late.
Manic hit that that put back and they were up
by a point and had to lead late. But unfortunately,
you know, uh, if you had you know, North Carolina
plus four and a half, you were better team one. Yeah,
I mean, come on, like, we don't did forget anything else?
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Like That's why I feel like it was Kansas who
won this game and a comeback over up off to
a big, big lead at halftime, really in the first half.
Like that's the reality of it. North Carolina was an
overachieving team in this tournament. They were gonna be the
second what eight seed ever since Villanova to win it.
And let's be real about it, it was a great run. Um.
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I think you look at the team and its entirety
and just like the heart and everything else that they showed,
they're a fun team to watch. At the end of
the day, though, Kansas was the better team, and the
better team ended up winning. And that's usually how it
works when you're playing basketball and you have more talent
on one side than the other. Like that was the
reality and and Lavore said it, they had no answer
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for McCormick. They had no answer for him whatsoever. By
the way, Christian Brawn. If you if you think about
the ultimate Kansas Jayhawk, okay dude was born in Kansas,
I think it won like three state titles. Is the
Kansas Gatorade State Player of the Year, had almost twenty offers,
ended up going to Kansas, and the dude ends up
balling out and now winning a national championship, Like, pretty
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cool story for a kid that I think literally might
might turn into a Jayhawk in his second life. But um,
they were the better team, Like there's no other way
around it like that. That's that's why I feel like,
again not going back to that debate, but it wasn't
a gag job. It's it's like UNC had to play
the way they did in the first half of the
entirety of the game in order to win, and law
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of averages played out, and the better team one. You know,
Hubert Davis seemingly about his his sentiments kind of echoes
what you're saying. But I still think it was a
gag job. And I just, you know, and I thought
the floor gag job Baycot, Like, I thought that there
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were a lot of things that just got weird, like
when not when the kid came inbounds to inbounds the
ball and just steps in bounds and had no one
to pass the ball to. I said, Oh, they're gonna lose.
I said, that's the moment I knew. I was like,
you know what, And you look, you could see Hubert
Davis on the sideline. He kept taking his glasses off
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and put them back on at that moment, I was like,
you know what, he knows it too. I was surprised
he didn't call time out, Like I was like in
my mind, I'm like, call time out. That's one of
those plays. You get them, you you huddle them up,
you tell them, this is the biggest game of your
lives to date. Like let's let's calm down, let's relax,
let's chill out, and let's keep playing to our hill basketball. Yes,
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Kansas comes in on paper as the better team. Yes,
you were going to have a difficult time with McCormick
down low A jih he is that is how you
said a John he lets say it's like the running
back um. Anyway, you were going to have problems with
their guys. But you know what it was bench play
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Remy Remy Martin like came in and gave him a
spark um that was really uh maybe maybe the catalyst
in some regards. I just thought that Carolina got sloppy
and and I think, you know the way I looked
at it, in the way I felt when I saw
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the way the league got away from him, It's like
they pulled up. It's like that that fours or maybe
even the eight hundreds, right, yeah, maybe four. They go around.
They got such a good lead that they they actually
took the time to turn around and look. And then
they turned around and looking they saw Kansas with that kick,
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and when they saw their kick, they didn't have an
answer for the kick, and they lost the race in
the end. To me, they should have just stayed on
the pedal, not not relaxed, and and and and felt
as though this was a game that was in control
and out of reach for Kansas, and they should have
did what got them there. You said they had to
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come out and play the way they did to be
in the game with Kansas. All they had to do
was keep doing that in the second half and they
But it's hard to do that. Like, how many teams
have jumped out to that sort of lead versus Kansas?
How many how many first asks as Kansas had this
year where they they played that way to start off
a game. I would go back to the Final four game,
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they beat the ever living crap out of Villanova from
the wire to wire. It was never even a close
besides zero zero from the beginning of the game. I mean,
that's that was I don't want to say that was
their path necessarily to the National Championship, but I think
they had one of the more smoother paths in comparison
to some of the other teams. And I don't know,
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maybe Doug's right, maybe un see, I was feeling that
a little bit from that battle with Duke and them
was but I don't know about the rest of them.
But what was the when Baycot went down with the injury.
Um I think Bill Raftery was trying to say that
Kansas didn't attack the missing player because Bacon was down
at the end of and he's like, well, you know,
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I think they're you know, good sportsmanship, trying to you know,
give him time to recover. And I'm thinking to myself
it was that build self's plan. He's probably he's probably
looking at that as an opportunity, like, hey man, we
got a five on four, like, let's we're players just
expecting them to call time out, and because there was
an injured player on the other end of the floor,
it just it seemed it seemed a little odd, And
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in that moment, I find it hard to believe that
they wanted to show good sportsmanship and make sure he
got up. At that point, You're trying to win, I
would have been pointing at him like let's go, let's
go down. I'm kind of with with Jonas's thought though,
like as a player, you see a dude down, Like
I get that everyone's trying to be cutthroat, but I
don't know some part of me to be like expecting
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eventually the whistle of blow, Hey, let's get this guy
out the floor gets hurt, he gets hurt. Yeah, But
like I just I think that's more of the side
of me where I'm like, do you want to be
able to then be the guy who was like, oh yeah,
we took advantage of that guy down on the floor
and that was the pivotal moment of the game to
win it. I mean like, like, here's the problem. I'm
not that guy, Like, I don't want to be that guy.
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That guy, well, definitely not where you're gonna come back
and go, well, yeah, dude, the guy got hurt and
you guys got a cheap way up because you were
five on four. Like, I don't want to be that guy.
And that's why I feel like, I don't know, maybe
that thought entered their head and maybe that guy so
much we tended to we tend to look though, like
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and I don't know if you guys fill a way,
but like I was watching the game, and sometimes you're
like questioning kids decisions or or what they do and
all that you kind of forget, like these kids are
eighteen years old, sometimes seventeen. Yeah, the days there, but
you forget that, like you forget how young they are. Yeah,
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it's like and so so when you see like a team,
it's not they don't gag it away. They just they're young.
Like they're gonna make mistakes. It's college sports, Like why
in the like you're not It's it's not like it's
their job out there with the way they're playing, and
then they're gonna make those mistakes, like there's still an
element of inexperience. I just I don't know, I tend
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I think. And I heard some some rumblings after the
game because I had sources there in New Orleans who
were looking into this, and they were saying that part
of the reason why they didn't take advantage of when
Baycott was down at the other end of the floor
Kansas is because they knew that North Carolina was already
gagging the game away. And so I felt like there was.
It wasn't necessary. We don't have to rush. His gag
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was worse than everyone's else. He couldn't get you know,
I believe will be sure to catch live editions of
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
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Easter three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio app. So we've we've been talking about
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how it's been a wild offseason for the NFL, a
lot of movement trades, things like that, and um, there
was another trade yesterday, this one unlike any that I
can recall seeing. Uh, and I figured, you know, with
all the numbers, we're going to throw a people to
try and break this down. We need a little bit
of a theme song to go along with it, so
so hit it live studio band here. So here's how
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it works. It's the Saints and the Eagles starring in
this multiple draft pick trade. Yesterday in the NFL Strange,
the Saints traded their first round pick number eighteen, their
fourth and sixth round picks this year, number one on
one and number two thirty seven of first next year,
and a second in two thousand, twenty four to the
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Eagles in exchange for two first number sixteen and number
nineteen this year and a six number one this year.
And that concludes are multiple mid round, mid first round
draft pick and other round draft pick trades between the
Saints and the Eagles. Here on Fox Sports Radio, somebody
explained to me, what the hell is going I couldn't
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understand when I read it, and I've I've seen it.
I was like, I hope Brady got it because I
can't explain it. What's happening here? Um? Yeah, So if
you look at essentially what the Eagles did is they
probably felt like with three first round picks, it's not
that they can't afford them. That is part of that
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is part of the logic to it, right, Like, you're
gonna be coming up on three guys who you're gonna
have to figure out whether or not you need to
extend them all at the same time, Right, that can
be difficult. I think one of the thoughts too, is,
you know, if if you're looking at this draft, they
might be saying, hey, dude, we're stuck. You know, in
between ten and twenty, there's not really you know, three
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guys we feel like you're gonna come in right away
and either a make the roster, make the impact we're
hoping they're going to make. So why not push it
a year from now? Um and and But that way
we can kind of balance out our our draft and
our ability to go grab a couple of good players
we feel really good about, or package those two together,
whether this year or next year, and be able to
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then move up to take a player we really feel
good about. Like that's the reality of it with need
these picks, is you want to be able to find
someone that's gonna be a starter your roster for a decade, right,
Like that's the hope you're able to find in all this.
What I don't really understand is why now. I mean,
you have so much time before the draft. Usually when
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you see these sorts of trades happen, it's maybe the
week of the day before. You know, you kind of
wait to search out to see if if this is
the best offer, and you push to that draft deadline
in order to do it. So my only thought to
why this happened now is that maybe either Philly is
trying to work on something or New Orleans trying to
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work on something to create a package to get something
or someone else, or maybe maneuver even higher up the
draft board. Who knows, But you know, I think this
is um. It's an interesting move by Philly, and hopefully
people understand this too. When you trade a future draft pick, um,
the team that's receiving that doesn't look at at future
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draft pick today. So the first rounder that Philly receives,
they don't look at that first rounder today as a
first round pick. They view it today as a second
round pick, if that makes sense, and second round pick
ifew as a third round pick. And it's because the
immediacy of having that pick now holds more weight or
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value to not only the team that's using that pick,
but also any other team that needs that pick to
go draft a player. Right, And so that's the other
thing about this is when you look at it and
you're like, all right, you know, they gave up one
of their first round picks for a future first round pick,
that's like kind of even swapped there. It's really not.
If you talked to a lot of front office executives,
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they will not view it that way. They will say, now,
it's more like a second round pick. And then that
second round picks more like a third round pick. So
that's typically how a lot of these teams behind closed
doors view future picks in these trades and draft compensation.
If that makes sense, it didn't to me, But I'll
say this, okay, time value of money, all right, A
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dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. Does
that make sense to you, like you would rather have
or tomorrow is worth more than a dollar today because
of it? No, because it loses out on the opportunity
to an interest, and obviously you lose out an inflation.
So very similar to that. You know, the immediacy of
having that now cash now is more valuable than having it.
You know. That's that same amount we're talking about in
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the future. Thank you. Yeah, I get it. I get that. Yeah.
I'll just say this. I don't get why you would
give up two first rounders and only got one out
of the deal. That's that's to me fundamentally speaking, where
I live in I guess the world of what my
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sensibility is and practicalities of of of using it. I
don't get it. I don't get why you would give
up one because you again, regardless of of of that
re sending that one is a two, two is a three.
You still gave up to two one's. I mean, granted
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one is offset by the other, but it's even a
lower it's even a lower draft pick, right like the
one Philly gave up with sixteen, they got eighteen. They
got eighteen, which was higher than their nineteen, which was
higher than their nineteen. They give up the nineteen, and
there's and they have their original it was a fifteen
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or thirteen or so whatever the other one was. Yeah,
I just I don't know, And I guess because I'm
more well, I'm not a front office guy, for one,
but then for two, I just I just think that
you can never have too much talent. And if you're
going to have to do redo a contract like by
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eighteen nineteen, that's not a that's not a tremendously large contract.
Maybe if it's a quarterback, it's it's a decent size
based off of whatever that slotting is for a QB.
But I don't I don't know that those those numbers
are that high for that number of a pick. Why
not get somebody that can possibly either turn into trade value,
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turns into a possible franchise guy. Maybe someone who plays
a role that helps your team win more. This is
not a team that is good enough to be taught.
You know, well, we'll defer this one until this time,
and we'll make sure that we plan for this one
two years and three years from now. Philly. You're not
good enough to do that. So I don't understand why
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they're not being aggressive, And maybe they are. I just
don't get it. Maybe it's outside of my realm of understanding,
but why are you not being more aggressive about trying
to get as much talent as you can? And if
that's leveraging those draft picks. I want something that shows
me I have the value I get, uh, Davonte Adams.
I get a player that can come in and and change,
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you know, a Tyreek Hill. Why not put those those
picks on I rekill. Here's what I've seen that's been
speculated from the New Orleans standpoint why they would do
the deal to get up to sixteen. Now, it's because
they are. One of the things that was thrown out
there is well, maybe they felt like they needed to
jump the Chargers at seventeen so that way they could
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guarantee their guys going to be there. Dude, we're talking
about the middle of the first round, we have no
idea who the hell is going to be there, Like, like,
this isn't a top two situation where you know who's
going number one, So just trade up to two so
you can ice out whoever's picking at three. It's the
middle of the first round. We have no idea how
this hole does have to justify anything. Like they won
they won the trade that like to me, I just
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at a glance, they won that. That just to be clear,
I mean the Eagles still have two first correct, they
only they only gave up one this year in order
to have an additional one next year and then move
up a little bit with their second one of the
first round this year and add in a fourth and
sixth round pick this year. So but they did lose
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a first round pick, right, did not? They got a
future one one next year, So it's even Yeah, as
as far as on paper, the way it looks that
they swapped it, just like I said before, where where
it didn't make as much sense as they're taking a
future first round pick that in the short term as
of today, right now, it's looked more like a second
round pick. As far as the value scales you look
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at when you're in the front office light that makes
more say I thought they gave up two first rounders
and didn't get to and return. That's how I ready
they got. They got the number eight, so they still
have the number fifteen pick and the number eighteen pick
in this year's first round. Then they got New Orleans
first round pick in and a second round pick in
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as well as the fourth and sixth round pick this
year from the Saints. So they did get a good
amount of consideration. I just think it plays in the
first thing you said, LaVar, I don't I don't know
that you want, you know, three guys in the first
round that you're you're trying to have hits on if
you don't love all of them, and in the middle
of the first round, you know, I don't know, I
don't know how many of those guys are saying like, yeah,
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we absolutely love this draft class, and when we love,
what's gonna be potentially be there because to Jonas's point,
they don't know what's gonna be there. There's there's there's
no idea you can know how the rest of the
draft is going to go. And so maybe they maybe
they're thinking their heads. Hey, let's go ahead and plan
more for the future so we can have more sustained
maybe success either building around Jalen Hurts or having the
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draft capital in the future to trade up to replace him.
Like I think that's more of what this is about.
From Philly standpoint. This this roster is is loaded to
the point where it Hurts has another opportunity to prove
whether or not he's the guy. But guess what if
he's not? Bryce Young C J. Stroud. They all sitting
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there waiting, and I guarantee you, I don't know which
one it will be that will go in this order,
I guarantee you they're gonna go one to the next
year's draft. I guarantee that. Be sure to catch live
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What we've missed late you guys. Bobby Wagner made his
(23:57):
deal with the Rams official yesterday after unceremoniously being released
by the Seattle Seahawks, and he let his displeasure be
known a little bit here, take a listen. A lot
of people think that you know it went into my
decision being able to play the Seahawks. I don't have
that much take in my heart. I really wanted to
be happy, and we wanted to be you know, close
to home and and and stay on the West coast.
That was important to me. But playing the Seahawks twice
(24:19):
a year was a cheery on top. I'll make sure
they see me every time later so they'll know where
I'm at you. I'll make sure I'll tell them it
won't be a quiet game for you. I mean, but
you just said that wasn't really what played into it.
Yet you made sure to make that very clear towards
the end. I mean why he was upset about the
way that they that he found out he was being
(24:40):
released by the team. Uh. He seems like he can
still play at a high level. We've talked about it
with Brady that you know, he's probably a Hall of
Famer Bobby Wagner, So, um, you know this seems like
for those two games of OAR, he's gonna be very
fired up about it. Do you remember your did you
play against Washington when you want one? I mean, come on,
man and coming out one game out of it? Oh
(25:03):
who was ready to go and made sure they knew
I was there? Now did you walk by anybody specifically
and run your mouth to him during the game? Or
I talked bad? I talked bad when I played, I
talked bad. I hit I hit Clinton one at the
one time so hard he tried. He I knew Clinton
was a chipper, a chip blocker, so he tried. He
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tried to hide and then come chip me but I
knew he was going to be there, and I put
all my weight on that shoulder. Bro, you had to
pick that shoulder up off of the ground and go
on over to the sideline. And I just I just
remember everything that I did, every every action that I
took that game was purely to to like emasculate every
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single person that I was going up against. And and
we got the dub. We got the dub. Like all
the stuff that those coaches were saying, some of the
slick ask that some of the uh, maybe one player
in particular, I won't say his name, UM had said,
you know, questioning my intellect at my i Q level
(26:07):
and stuff like that. Um, we wanted that ass, and
I got one opportunity to play against him before blowing
my kid at least in it. So, yes, I can
understand one. I didn't even have the career that Bobby
Wagner had, and I can't even imagine how he's gonna
fill when he faces his former team. That's gonna be fun.
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You guys, we saw calling Kaepernick throwing during half time
of the spring games. Again, Well, apparently Jim Harber might
have floated the idea of Kaepernick joining him as a
potential quarterback coach for Minnesota when he interviewed for the
job there, And did you see the knuckleballs he was throwing?
I mean, I was wanting to be your quarterback. Listen,
do you know the weather conditions up in ann Arbor
and in March in April? I mean, come on, this
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is uh you know, this is a troubling time of
a year to throw the football around them. One thing
I will tell you he will get a lot of
recruits interested in going there if he gets Kaepernick. So
he's an influential figure. Bro. Yeah, I mean you can't
There's a lot of things you can say about him.
One thing you can't say is he is beloved by
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a ton of people. I don't know if you guys
caught this. There's a viral video on TikTok out there
of O. J. Simpson being woken up by a bunch
of girls, one of them being in Cole Brown lookalike
late at night. It's uh, it's so it is so
weird that he just roams around and it's like, I mean,
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are we so desensitized that we just lose focus of
the fact that the guy probably murdered two people. I
mean most likely, like we're just so desensitized, like whatever,
Just let him mingle among the rest of us. Everything's
fine here. Well he did, it's time for what he
did get caught. I mean, he's I guess he's just
enjoying being the juice. I know he's big into fantasy football.
(27:57):
I know that. So he's big. Ill have an opinion
is about things that take place to come Yeah, so
are you old hot take? O J? What do you
mean I'm not doing hot take? So onus. Fox Sports
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