April 8, 2022 • 40 mins
Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington discuss whether or not Mike Mularkey revealing his hiring process with the Titans was inherently racist. Deshaun Watson is now accused of gross negligence and the latest edition of “Over/Under’s.”
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How about it? Yeah? Um, so it is. The is
a wild off season in the NFL. Uh and it's
you know, there's a lot of free agency, a lot
of trades, things like that, social media scrubbing. Yeah, and
there's also a lot of people getting in trouble as
far as organizations, you know, the Jerry Jones scandals out there.
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We're gonna have more on the latest one to Shaun
Watson coming up. And then you've all of a sudden
got the Tennessee Titans. Forget about Dan Snyder competing. Yeah,
but I feel like there's nothing really different about that.
It's everything more. Yeah, well there's um, so the Tennessee
Titans all of a sudden find themselves uh in a
little bit of hot water because um Former Titans head
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coach Mike Malarkey appeared on a two thousand twenty podcast. Now,
if you're wondering why this is news now, uh, it's
because there was the Ray Horton, a longtime assistant in
the NFL. He joined the Brian Flores lawsuit along with
Steve Wilkes, former Cardinals head coach, and ray Horton said
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that he knew for certain that the sham interview with
the Titans back in sixteen when he was interviewing for
the job. He knew it was a sham all the
way through, and that Mike Mallarkey also was aware of it,
and so part of the evidence quote unquote that they
used to try and state his case was this appearance
on a podcast called The Steelers Realm. So this was
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the former Titans head coach Mike Mlarkey talking about the
hiring process with the Titans back in I allowed myself
at one point than when I was in Tennessee, to
get caught up in something I regret. I still regret it.
But the ownership there, Amy Adams Trunk and her family
came in and told me I was going to be
the head coach in two thousand sixteen before they went
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through the Roooney rule. And so I sat there know
wing I was the head coach in sixteen as they
went through this fake higher process, knowing by knowing a
lot of the coaches that they were interviewing, knowing how
much they prepared to go through those interviews, knowing that
everything they could do and they had no chance of
getting that job. And actually the GM John Robinson, he
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was in on the interview with me, He's he had
no idea why he's interviewing me, that I have the
job already. Wow. So there was Mike mclarkey, the former
Titan said coach says about this, ye, um, well, I
think my initial responses, um, I realized there is a
minority coach that was satisfying the Ruoney rules part of this.
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I believe that was Ray Horton. But that doesn't make
it racist because there's a lot of other white coaches
who are part of that interview process as well. And
so this speaks to a greater issue with the hiring
process in general in the NFL. It's something that Pete
Carroll touched on in the owners meetings, is that any
private business or institution, when they identify someone they want
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to be the next leader of that organization, whether it's CEO,
head coach, whatever we're talking about. That's more of the
issue is they they've identified the person that they want
and they're gonna go through the process of interviewing everyone else.
But in most cases they don't have an open mind.
This isn't a democracy, you know, they're not going out
bringing a bunch of candidates and have everyone vote on it.
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They have someone who they're looking at. They have someone
who they believe would give them the best chance moving
forward to win. Obviously that didn't work out, and it's
been Mike Mike Vrabel now. But that's the problem with
this is as damning as it sounds, that to me
is not speaking necessarily to racism, because every you know,
it's more of the entire process of the hiring process
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in the NFL where they've got a guy identified, and
there's plenty of other candidates too who are part of
the majority, who are minorities, who are also preparing and
being overlooked as well. And so if you want to
lump this and as part of it, okay, Like I
think the best example in what's come resurfaced isn't that
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it's Steve Wilkes. You know, he to me has the
best case of being a one and done the way
it was handled, everything else that he endured during his
time in Arizona, his case and what he's trying to
point out, and I don't know if he can prove it,
because I don't know what evidence he has, but as
far as how it was all handled, he has he
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has the best case to me. Because the other thing
that we didn't discuss is the Houston, Texas now of
officially become part of this lawsuit. You know, given the
firing of David Cully, and then how they ended up
not bringing on Brian Flores due to the lawsuit. The
only problem is then they hired Levy Smith. So you know,
these are all examples that the attorneys are doing their
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best to persuade the media and put public pressure on
the NFL and on these teams. But it still doesn't
speak to you know, outright racism or examples of that,
you know. And that's the hard part about the Brian
Floors lawsuit, in my opinion, is when they've come out
with these these big claims, like even though losing in
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order to you know, get a higher draft pick so
they can maybe get Joe Burrows since that was discussed right,
so far, we haven't seen any evidence of communication between
Stephen Ross and Brian Flores that supports that claim. And
all we know is that Brian Flores sent a memo
to the two executives claiming this. If there's no proof,
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then how do we know he wasn't trying to set
them up in the first place, that set this whole
process up. I mean that that's that's the hard part
is there's we just haven't seen any damning evidence are
proven I don't. I don't feel like this is that.
I think the issue hair kind of goes to what
you're saying, Q, is that racism can it can be tangible,
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but then sometimes it can't be. It's it's very difficult
to measure racism. And that's what makes it difficult because
it's like, Okay, sometimes you can use hard evidence and
say that's racism makes sense, easy to say, here's the evidence.
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In some cases, it's just not that simple. It's just
not that black and white, so to speak, and and
how to how to approach it. So you want to
hit the button on that. Let me ask you this
because this this scenario came up. This scenario came up
over this past hiring cycle. Obviously, I know guys who
played turned and got into coaching, and you know other
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guys who have been coaches, and this scenario came up.
I had a coach reach out and say, hey, um,
I'm gonna tough spot. This is what I'm thinking. I
really don't have many options. I said, well, what do
you mean. You've been coaching for a while. Now you
played for a while. He goes, well, I'm I'm a
coach in a position group that no coach will hire
me because I'm white and that position group is minority,
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you know, mostly minorities. He said, So they want a
minority he coached to be that And that's what everyone's
telling me. That's what the progative is. Whether it's a
wide receiver dB whatever we're talking about, right, you know,
running backs coach. And he's like, I'm gonna have to
go to a different level or a different part of
football in order to get a job. And you know,
so he so he was kind of calling inquiring about
like assistance for that staff that he was trying to
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put together. But you know, I look at that and
I go, well, how do people view that? Yeah, I
mean that that's that's legitimate. A guy who's got credentials,
who played in the league, who's now coached since he
got out of the league, and he can't get a
job because of the color of his skin. He's in
the majority, not the minority. You know, I think it's
still I think it's still goes to the idea because
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because you gotta understand, racism is based upon prejudice and discrimination.
It's not a color. You know, people, people who don't
get deeper into the meaning of what racism represents. You
look at it as a black and white issue, is
it is it in reverse if if you're in the majority,
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but you're also in the situation that you just mentioned.
Racism is the scrutiny and and the discrimination of what
it is that that you want and and and I
think that that's ultimately what it comes down to. One
thing that I always say is show me somebody without prejudice,
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and I'll show you someone without education. The more you live,
the longer you live life, the more you're you're educated,
and the more you're educated, the more you form, You
form ideas, you form beliefs, you form understanding of what
the world is around you, and you you naturally create prejudice.
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And it doesn't mean that it's always towards a color
or a racial group. It could be towards how much
money you make. It could be towards what type of
clothes you wear, It could be towards how you wear
your hair. There are so many different caddy. There is
an endless amount of categories of of prejudice. And and
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so when you look at these type of scenarios, I
think the the validation of or the validity of what
this is all about is really the feelings of those
coaches that are involved. And I think that that's ultimately
what it comes down to. Even in the lawsuit, it
will be more so of the evidence and maybe the
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credibility the validity of the people who are presented in
the lawsuit versus all of the evidence, like hard tangible evidence,
because it's difficult to measure the level of prejudice or
racism as as the word that is is you so
so prominently, it's hard to gauge how much it is.
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So now you gotta look at the body of people
who are saying it. There are a lot of coaches
at the at the high school level, there are a
lot of coaches at the college level. There are a
lot of coaches at the pro level, and their narrative
is pretty much the same. I'm not going to get
an opportunity because of the color of my skin. So
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now it comes down to in this this this suit,
I don't know is that I don't know how that
they're tried or how they go about doing it. Is
it just a judge, is it is it a jury?
I don't I'm not even sure how that all works.
But I will say it will come down to whoever
is hearing the case. It will ultimately come down to
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a lot of those elements, versus just presenting hardcore evidence
that says this is the racism, this is where it
came from, and this is why it happened. I think
that that has to be taken in consideration in this
type of situation. Unless they've got evidence of the Titans
owner saying, hey, you're getting the job because you're white specifically,
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I don't see how they can prove this is racism
because the reason he and he ended up getting the
job Mike Malarkey's because they fired Ken wizzen Hunt mid season.
It was Marcus Mariota's rookie year and they they felt
more comfortable with the direction of Marcus Mariota being paired
up with with Mike Mlarkey moving forward. So like Doug
Morone also had an interview with the Titans that off
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season that was also a sham. Well, Doug Maron's white.
So I just I don't see how it's applicable, but
to make it again, to make the examples based off
of a white person dealing with with those those circles.
I'm in the middle of my point to hold one second,
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just say this. The lawsuits are claiming that if you
read the language coming out, that's what they're doing. It's
not like Jonas is doing that or I'm doing that.
If you read what they're putting out there is part
of the lawsuit they are literally saying there Ray Horton
a coaches minority and end up hiring Mike Malarkey who's white,
Like that's what they're doing. It still comes down to
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whatever the experiences are of what that person that is
listening to that trial, what they have experienced, what they've seen,
and how that connects to their education. As being a judge,
the person seeing over that case in particular, will dictate
a lot of how it's approached. And that's the bottom line.
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If if it happens to be someone who sees it
from the point of view of how you guys are
looking at it, then that's what becomes relevant and prevalent
in how they're approaching that case. If it's someone that
has experienced it in their life and it couldn't necessarily
be deemed racist because this person didn't get it either
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because of one thing or another, and they're white, it
doesn't want that doesn't justify it not being Maybe it
doesn't justify being that, but it doesn't necessarily justify not
being that. And I think that that's ultimately what it
comes down to, because there is no way to truly
measure the levels of what represents what racism represents, and
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that's the point of it. I think that that's that's
the point. I think that's a slippery slope then, like
the standard at some point, otherwise people can just say, hey,
I feel like someone acted racist towards me. I'm gonna
see you, I mean, and if I find the right
judge of the right jury that says, yeah, you know,
I've I've felt that way before too. You know, we
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should have warn this guy a million millions of dollars.
But that's how things work. Regardless of how things work.
He here's another situation that happen at that time. So
Lovey Smith was the head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
They fired him and they gave Dirt Cutter the job.
Similar circumstance and reasoning behind the firing and the hiring
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of Dirt Cutter. They had a young quarterback same draft class,
Jamis Winston, and they felt more comfortable with dirt Cutter
directing his career as opposed to love you Smith. But
we've never heard once that was a firing done based
on race, and that was a black coach who was
fired and a white coach who got The white people
aren't going to handle things, I understand. But but the
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idea that we're going to go back in time to
that that period and say because Mike mclarkey felt guilty
about the hiring process, I just don't know where the evidence,
the hard evidence is. Well, you know that the Titans
were racist when white coaches were interviewed for the same
sham interview process and went through the same process as
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Tarall Austin or or or any of these other guys
Ray Horton that were also part of the process the
entire time. I just I don't know where I just
say that that's the justification of interviewing a white person.
It doesn't. Again, it now comes down to what your
interpretation of it is. I mean, and that's that's by
individual right and and again I guess that's that's your opinion,
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and we'll see things good. The problem is is the
arbitration or how this is gonna work is you know,
Brian Flores has been trying to get the NFL to
reject the Dolphins request for an arbitration hearing, which is
within all the contracts for these head coaches, right if
there is a m if there's an issue like this,
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it then goes to arbitration first, which the NFL Commissioner
Roger Goodell oversea. The problem is is a lot of
those things that are set in arbitration don't come to light.
And I think that's part of the reason too, why
you're hearing some of this leak its way out because
the attorneys for Brian Flores realize that a he needs
more people backing him, other coaches who feel this way,
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who are willing to take that stance, whether it's Ray
Horton or Steve Wilkes or anyone else who would join it. Um.
Which you know, it took a while to get to
this point, but I do think that shows strength with
some of these coaches. You know, maybe there is a
degree of evidence that they were trying to build up
to make more of a case for these guys. Whatever
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the case is. Um. That's the next steps of it
is whether or not this thing goes into arbitration and
really what comes from that. But that's gonna be the
hard thing for him is is those the conversations had
in arbitration are not gonna come to the light of day.
Who do the arbitrators work for with the NFL, Roger
It goes to Roger Goodell. But probably why he wants
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it to not be an arbitration. I mean, I was
saying that they're they're trying to put public pressure on
the NFL to not let this go to arbitration rather
be heard in the court of law. That that's what
they're They're trying to bypass this particular step because they
know it could be damning to their case or the
evidence they're trying to provide. And so if you put
enough public pressure on the NFL, the NFL is and
they'm gonna say, Okay, like, let's let's let this be
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heard in court and we'll see how someone else you know,
stands for this, and we cannot be a part of
this and not be accused of manipulating the process. It's
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You're ready, Jonas, I'm ready, You're ready? Cue, come on,
let's do this. Here we go, rainstorms away from the
most so normal. Yes, got to tell you something, tell me, baby,
stop this screet this phenomenon. We had to put it
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in a song and it goes like whoa, yeah, come
on do it again? Come on, check you energy? Wow?
How can you natural? Man? You want to know what
keeps me? Tell me what you got to add a
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layer du wrinkle to uh amber. By three of our
doing that, I just don't feel like he really enjoys that,
like he really enjoys because Brady bails like he does one.
I jumped in always jump at his backup singer. I'm
just two stepping backup singer. It's two pros and a
cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio Lavarier. You couldn't at
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Quinn Jonas here. I'm just worried we're gonna end up
chopped up and then in some body of ocean like
Dexter when Jonas's real side comes. Come on. Well, I'm saying,
come on, creepy little whistle. We're talking about you. Guys
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would have been proud of me yesterday. By the way,
I had a I had to Chicago Dogs, Chicago hot dogs.
You ever at a Chicago ate meat? Huh? Well? Yeah,
I mean I'm not even gonna answer that because I'm
gonna it's gonna walk into a drop that's gonna live on.
Just put the beef pipe in your mouth. But listen
you on for a second down. Yeah, I assume you
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went to a baseball game. No, made him at home.
My brother made Yeah, and your brother can burn a
little bit. Yeah, he's good cook, good barbecue. Guys. What
what is that? That trap? Tip, black and trap? What
you call it? Yeah? He does that could try to
but he did know I didn't eat yesterday. Here, here's hungry.
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That just made me hungry. But here's the trick with
with hot dogs trying to lose weight. Que they're better
in water on the stove than they are on the ground.
That's old school. Did yeah you think so? Ye, they
taste better. I tend to like char grilled anything, whether
it's a hot dog, whether it's a burger, chicken. I
like things char grilled, like to boil them in beer
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first and then put them on the charcoate. Amazing, put
them in beer first and then amazing. Yeah, interesting, sounds
amazing good. I don't eat hot dogs, extremely gross. We
don't want to ruin anyone's breakfast with my Brady doesn't
eat hots Just I threw up all over our back porch.
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What time I was like seven. I saw I was
just like one of those nights you come home as
a little kid, and I've been out playing with my
friend and and uh, I just I crunched down some
like chips, some orange juice, and like a couple of
hot dogs. And I always, for my entire life, I've
always been at early rise, like I got up before
my parents would and I was out back I just
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love like fresh or price hoop, you know that kids have,
And I was shooting hoops on that and uh, I
literally just turned threw up everywhere. It was like something
from the Extorcist and just vomit violently projecting everywhere. And
then and so I have this lasting image just covered
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with chunks of hot dogs, chips and orange juice. But
it didn't affect it. But you can have orange juice
and chips, but you just can't have hot dogs. That's
that's right, because that was the most unappetized I threw
up one time, cookies and cream ice cream, and I
remember looking the toilet seeing it swirling around. I was like,
can't ever do it. It's kind of funny because that's
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how I am about alcohol. So my list of alcohol
is so small now, like it's so small, like like
like fireball, Like I've thrown up off of a lot
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of them, and I can't drink them ever again. After that,
I can't do it. But I remember the last time
I actually threw up. I'll start dry heaven as soon
as I smell it. Yeah, But back to the hot
dogs Chicago. That question love a chili dog, I do
love a chili dog if you had a Chicago dog.
I had a git man with the pick had a
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half smoked a hot dog and and um a sausage
half smoked hot dog and sausage half smoke from bench
chili bowl. Shots out to my people, shouts out to
my cut bench chili bowl. Uh a half smoke if
you're in d C and you're into that, because Q
would not be there. Yeah, Bromaz Yeah. Well you know
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they showed me a lot of love and I'm on
their wall, so you know, not the way I happen, right,
but you know, you know, maybe we'll go one day,
maybe get you a half smoke. I'm not going. I'm
not going unless night shave first. If I'm going to
do that, it would do it with Dollar Shave Club
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All Right, so we gotta get to the very latest
on an NFL story that will not go away. But
before we do that, let's turn it over too. I
was gonna say something involving a hot dog, and I
realized it's got a creepy Eddie Garcia before growing as
a human being, Eddie, No you're not. I mean maybe
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you are to. Uh. The Chargers Washington football team home
openers kast season, and they claimed at Edex Field they
had a bench chili bowl in the upper deck, and
so I tried to get They wouldn't let me in
the elevator because I didn't have a certain pass, so
I didn't walk all the way and FedEx field er.
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You know, it's pretty it's kind of up there. So
I walked all the way up there to go to
Ben's chili bowl and they didn't have any bench chili.
But no, well, me and you will go one day.
I did go to the other location, but you did.
Yeah you st yea all right? Nice. By the way,
I had a permantes at PNC Park. Is it not
the same? It's not the same, man, It's not the
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same as downtown. See, it's the same in State College.
In fact, next week, two weeks, I will be having permantes. Yeah,
and I know, I know Q doesn't like spring games,
but you know what, when I'm there for that spring game.
I'm going to have some permanni brothers. I don't I
don't dislike them. Oh okay, you're just okay, all right, Eddie. Sorry, sorry, sorry,
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We'll get back to me here. Yeah, come on, let's
start off with some golf. We've got second round action
of the Master's getting underwayne. About thirty minutes there Augusta
National Tiger Woods, of course, the story of day one.
We knew we would be regardless of what he did,
but not a bad opening round, a seventy one one
or too par, four shots off the leader, Son JM
of South Korea. Tiger had three birdies and two bogies.
He's tied for tenth place. M has a one shot
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lead over Cameron Smith of Australia asked for Tiger. His
second around gets underway at one one Eastern time. Now
back to Brady, Quinna, war Arrington and Jonas Stocks in
the Fox Sports Radio studios. Thank you, Eddie, two pros
and a cup of Joe here Fox Sports Radio coming
up twelve minutes from now another edition of over Unders.
As we take a look ahead, make some predictions on
a busy weekend in the world of sports and beyond.
So again that'll happen here a little over twelve minutes
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from now. So here's the latest in the Deshaun Watson
h story that continues to uh, you know, march on
right when you think all as well, he's got his
two hund thirty million dollars. Now we focus on the season. Uh.
The latest is from USA Today's Brett Schroden bar who
is reporting that two of the plainiffs uh making the
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claims against Deshaun Watson, are amending their lawsuits to include
negligence and gross negligence against Watson. They're claiming that he
knew of his own sexual proclivities and failed to take
precautions to prevent them from occurring. Again, Tony Buzzby, the
lawyer representing the women, said that there are more. Basically,
(27:24):
there is more where that came from. That more this
is going to happen with the the other twenty women
involved in this. So what does that mean? Can somebody
can I know, can you explain that basically that he
had tendencies and he had likes, yes, and he refused,
he didn't do anything about it, which which goes back
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to them showing a pattern of behavior which is why
he's going to be asked to respond to the claims
of the eighteen that defended him. Not there continues to
be an established m is what you guys are saying.
Let me ask you guys this one before before I'll
let you guys go with it. Do you feel as
though maybe Bugsby is that his name, Buzzby, Buzzby Buzzby.
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Do you feel as though because now now that I've
gotten you know, with my men, my my, my legal specialists,
and he's enlightened me and I realized that this can
go back to Trow as many times or go back
to the grand jury as many times as there are
people to interview, so it could be like over twenty
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times that this could he might have to go back
to the grand jury over and over again. Do you
feel as though bugs Bugsby may have have actually understood
that he might get two, three, four of them, five
of them, six of them, you know, not enough to
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go to trial, knowing that the longer this goes, the
more you know information that could actually surface could make
this more of a trillable case. And then what does
that mean for the ones that did not get it?
Like because I'm assuming like it. Did it? Did they
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go in front of a grand jury about all twenty two? Well,
how does that work? Yeah? I mean again, they're there,
you know, I have collected evidence, you know, from them,
Like that's where it first starts. You can't make that
claim or at it to your lawsuit if you don't
have evidence of such. So you know, during this period
UM they might have felt like there's enough, you know,
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to be able to utilize UM at least with with
a few of the lawsuits or a few of the claims.
So I don't know if that answers your question. But
because it's not like they can make they can't make
that claim without having to back it up. Otherwise, to
your point, if they start getting certain parts of those
lawsuits thrown out because there really is no claim, then
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it's gonna make the case look limsey. So I think
the way he went about filing initially was knowing that
as more evidence would come out, or as Deshaun Watson
had to then make UM public statements through his depositions
if you will, or if he was gonna get traded
like he didn't have to speak publicly, they were gonna
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be able to leverage UM the potential of whatever came
out from that, adding it to their lawsuits, adding it
to there, and further squeezing. This is a squeez This
is a this is a squeeze movie. Look, it's all
to get a settlement like that. That's what this is about.
Is this all to put pressure on him to settle
and pay them a bit. He sprinkles a little bit
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more out in the public, and a little bit more
out in the public, and a little bit more out
in the public. He's got plenty more of this. As
you don't you don't. You don't put every single piece
of information. You don't present every single piece of evidence
when you try to put it in front of Grand Joy.
You pick what you felt might work. So there's an
opportunity to the here to go back and say, okay,
(31:01):
we can now present these pieces of evidence. So so basically,
what it feels like, or what it's starting to sound like,
is this is a masterful move by buzz buzz Buzzby.
I want to keep saying bugsby, buz buzz light Year,
buzz yeah, buzz Buzzby, Buzzby light Year, buzz light Okay, yeah,
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buzz So buzz light Year is what he's doing is
he's actually taking the Seawan and his legal team further
and further out into the waters. The deeper waters, and
basically the deeper the waters get, the more the settlement
will be, is basically what this is. That's what it
sounds like. Well, I mean, think about it from this perspective,
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like they lucked out on the fact that not only
when DeShawn Watsons that got traded and it now it
expedites this process, right because if he doesn't get trade
and distracts on, there's there's really no rush for him
to settle because he's not to another team where he
might have to go on the field and play. And
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I think that's one of the levers that Tony Buzzby knows.
The more he puts out there, the more public pressure,
the more he doesn't want to deal with it if
he has to go out there and play, right, And
so it's like things have worked out really well for
them in the sense that he got traded and then
on the news that he gets traded, he gets a
new contract million fully guaranteed, and so if you think
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about a civil suit and that and that target, now
they're like, well, we know he's got the money, like
we know, he's got doing a thirty million dollars guaranteed.
And so they can play this hardball game as long
as they won, until their claims and the legal process
which the civil courts take forever runs its course. But
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like times on their side and things keep working out
in their favor. It's Two Pros and a Cup of
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that class action loss. How about how many did I
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I'll take It's a Hall of fame career in the
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How about it? Yeah? Um, so it is. The is
a wild off season in the NFL. Uh and it's
you know, there's a lot of free agency, a lot
of trades, things like that, social media scrubbing. Yeah, and
there's also a lot of people getting in trouble as
far as organizations, you know, the Jerry Jones scandals out there.
(01:23):
We're gonna have more on the latest one to Shaun
Watson coming up. And then you've all of a sudden
got the Tennessee Titans. Forget about Dan Snyder competing. Yeah,
but I feel like there's nothing really different about that.
It's everything more. Yeah, well there's um, so the Tennessee
Titans all of a sudden find themselves uh in a
little bit of hot water because um Former Titans head
(01:46):
coach Mike Malarkey appeared on a two thousand twenty podcast. Now,
if you're wondering why this is news now, uh, it's
because there was the Ray Horton, a longtime assistant in
the NFL. He joined the Brian Flores lawsuit along with
Steve Wilkes, former Cardinals head coach, and ray Horton said
(02:08):
that he knew for certain that the sham interview with
the Titans back in sixteen when he was interviewing for
the job. He knew it was a sham all the
way through, and that Mike Mallarkey also was aware of it,
and so part of the evidence quote unquote that they
used to try and state his case was this appearance
on a podcast called The Steelers Realm. So this was
(02:29):
the former Titans head coach Mike Mlarkey talking about the
hiring process with the Titans back in I allowed myself
at one point than when I was in Tennessee, to
get caught up in something I regret. I still regret it.
But the ownership there, Amy Adams Trunk and her family
came in and told me I was going to be
the head coach in two thousand sixteen before they went
(02:52):
through the Roooney rule. And so I sat there know
wing I was the head coach in sixteen as they
went through this fake higher process, knowing by knowing a
lot of the coaches that they were interviewing, knowing how
much they prepared to go through those interviews, knowing that
everything they could do and they had no chance of
getting that job. And actually the GM John Robinson, he
(03:14):
was in on the interview with me, He's he had
no idea why he's interviewing me, that I have the
job already. Wow. So there was Mike mclarkey, the former
Titan said coach says about this, ye, um, well, I
think my initial responses, um, I realized there is a
minority coach that was satisfying the Ruoney rules part of this.
(03:34):
I believe that was Ray Horton. But that doesn't make
it racist because there's a lot of other white coaches
who are part of that interview process as well. And
so this speaks to a greater issue with the hiring
process in general in the NFL. It's something that Pete
Carroll touched on in the owners meetings, is that any
private business or institution, when they identify someone they want
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to be the next leader of that organization, whether it's CEO,
head coach, whatever we're talking about. That's more of the
issue is they they've identified the person that they want
and they're gonna go through the process of interviewing everyone else.
But in most cases they don't have an open mind.
This isn't a democracy, you know, they're not going out
bringing a bunch of candidates and have everyone vote on it.
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They have someone who they're looking at. They have someone
who they believe would give them the best chance moving
forward to win. Obviously that didn't work out, and it's
been Mike Mike Vrabel now. But that's the problem with
this is as damning as it sounds, that to me
is not speaking necessarily to racism, because every you know,
it's more of the entire process of the hiring process
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in the NFL where they've got a guy identified, and
there's plenty of other candidates too who are part of
the majority, who are minorities, who are also preparing and
being overlooked as well. And so if you want to
lump this and as part of it, okay, Like I
think the best example in what's come resurfaced isn't that
(05:02):
it's Steve Wilkes. You know, he to me has the
best case of being a one and done the way
it was handled, everything else that he endured during his
time in Arizona, his case and what he's trying to
point out, and I don't know if he can prove it,
because I don't know what evidence he has, but as
far as how it was all handled, he has he
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has the best case to me. Because the other thing
that we didn't discuss is the Houston, Texas now of
officially become part of this lawsuit. You know, given the
firing of David Cully, and then how they ended up
not bringing on Brian Flores due to the lawsuit. The
only problem is then they hired Levy Smith. So you know,
these are all examples that the attorneys are doing their
(05:44):
best to persuade the media and put public pressure on
the NFL and on these teams. But it still doesn't
speak to you know, outright racism or examples of that,
you know. And that's the hard part about the Brian
Floors lawsuit, in my opinion, is when they've come out
with these these big claims, like even though losing in
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order to you know, get a higher draft pick so
they can maybe get Joe Burrows since that was discussed right,
so far, we haven't seen any evidence of communication between
Stephen Ross and Brian Flores that supports that claim. And
all we know is that Brian Flores sent a memo
to the two executives claiming this. If there's no proof,
(06:28):
then how do we know he wasn't trying to set
them up in the first place, that set this whole
process up. I mean that that's that's the hard part
is there's we just haven't seen any damning evidence are
proven I don't. I don't feel like this is that.
I think the issue hair kind of goes to what
you're saying, Q, is that racism can it can be tangible,
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but then sometimes it can't be. It's it's very difficult
to measure racism. And that's what makes it difficult because
it's like, Okay, sometimes you can use hard evidence and
say that's racism makes sense, easy to say, here's the evidence.
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In some cases, it's just not that simple. It's just
not that black and white, so to speak, and and
how to how to approach it. So you want to
hit the button on that. Let me ask you this
because this this scenario came up. This scenario came up
over this past hiring cycle. Obviously, I know guys who
played turned and got into coaching, and you know other
(07:37):
guys who have been coaches, and this scenario came up.
I had a coach reach out and say, hey, um,
I'm gonna tough spot. This is what I'm thinking. I
really don't have many options. I said, well, what do
you mean. You've been coaching for a while. Now you
played for a while. He goes, well, I'm I'm a
coach in a position group that no coach will hire
me because I'm white and that position group is minority,
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you know, mostly minorities. He said, So they want a
minority he coached to be that And that's what everyone's
telling me. That's what the progative is. Whether it's a
wide receiver dB whatever we're talking about, right, you know,
running backs coach. And he's like, I'm gonna have to
go to a different level or a different part of
football in order to get a job. And you know,
so he so he was kind of calling inquiring about
like assistance for that staff that he was trying to
(08:21):
put together. But you know, I look at that and
I go, well, how do people view that? Yeah, I
mean that that's that's legitimate. A guy who's got credentials,
who played in the league, who's now coached since he
got out of the league, and he can't get a
job because of the color of his skin. He's in
the majority, not the minority. You know, I think it's
still I think it's still goes to the idea because
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because you gotta understand, racism is based upon prejudice and discrimination.
It's not a color. You know, people, people who don't
get deeper into the meaning of what racism represents. You
look at it as a black and white issue, is
it is it in reverse if if you're in the majority,
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but you're also in the situation that you just mentioned.
Racism is the scrutiny and and the discrimination of what
it is that that you want and and and I
think that that's ultimately what it comes down to. One
thing that I always say is show me somebody without prejudice,
(09:28):
and I'll show you someone without education. The more you live,
the longer you live life, the more you're you're educated,
and the more you're educated, the more you form, You
form ideas, you form beliefs, you form understanding of what
the world is around you, and you you naturally create prejudice.
(09:52):
And it doesn't mean that it's always towards a color
or a racial group. It could be towards how much
money you make. It could be towards what type of
clothes you wear, It could be towards how you wear
your hair. There are so many different caddy. There is
an endless amount of categories of of prejudice. And and
(10:17):
so when you look at these type of scenarios, I
think the the validation of or the validity of what
this is all about is really the feelings of those
coaches that are involved. And I think that that's ultimately
what it comes down to. Even in the lawsuit, it
will be more so of the evidence and maybe the
(10:40):
credibility the validity of the people who are presented in
the lawsuit versus all of the evidence, like hard tangible evidence,
because it's difficult to measure the level of prejudice or
racism as as the word that is is you so
so prominently, it's hard to gauge how much it is.
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So now you gotta look at the body of people
who are saying it. There are a lot of coaches
at the at the high school level, there are a
lot of coaches at the college level. There are a
lot of coaches at the pro level, and their narrative
is pretty much the same. I'm not going to get
an opportunity because of the color of my skin. So
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now it comes down to in this this this suit,
I don't know is that I don't know how that
they're tried or how they go about doing it. Is
it just a judge, is it is it a jury?
I don't I'm not even sure how that all works.
But I will say it will come down to whoever
is hearing the case. It will ultimately come down to
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a lot of those elements, versus just presenting hardcore evidence
that says this is the racism, this is where it
came from, and this is why it happened. I think
that that has to be taken in consideration in this
type of situation. Unless they've got evidence of the Titans
owner saying, hey, you're getting the job because you're white specifically,
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I don't see how they can prove this is racism
because the reason he and he ended up getting the
job Mike Malarkey's because they fired Ken wizzen Hunt mid season.
It was Marcus Mariota's rookie year and they they felt
more comfortable with the direction of Marcus Mariota being paired
up with with Mike Mlarkey moving forward. So like Doug
Morone also had an interview with the Titans that off
(12:32):
season that was also a sham. Well, Doug Maron's white.
So I just I don't see how it's applicable, but
to make it again, to make the examples based off
of a white person dealing with with those those circles.
I'm in the middle of my point to hold one second,
(12:53):
just say this. The lawsuits are claiming that if you
read the language coming out, that's what they're doing. It's
not like Jonas is doing that or I'm doing that.
If you read what they're putting out there is part
of the lawsuit they are literally saying there Ray Horton
a coaches minority and end up hiring Mike Malarkey who's white,
Like that's what they're doing. It still comes down to
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whatever the experiences are of what that person that is
listening to that trial, what they have experienced, what they've seen,
and how that connects to their education. As being a judge,
the person seeing over that case in particular, will dictate
a lot of how it's approached. And that's the bottom line.
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If if it happens to be someone who sees it
from the point of view of how you guys are
looking at it, then that's what becomes relevant and prevalent
in how they're approaching that case. If it's someone that
has experienced it in their life and it couldn't necessarily
be deemed racist because this person didn't get it either
(13:59):
because of one thing or another, and they're white, it
doesn't want that doesn't justify it not being Maybe it
doesn't justify being that, but it doesn't necessarily justify not
being that. And I think that that's ultimately what it
comes down to, because there is no way to truly
measure the levels of what represents what racism represents, and
(14:23):
that's the point of it. I think that that's that's
the point. I think that's a slippery slope then, like
the standard at some point, otherwise people can just say, hey,
I feel like someone acted racist towards me. I'm gonna
see you, I mean, and if I find the right
judge of the right jury that says, yeah, you know,
I've I've felt that way before too. You know, we
(14:45):
should have warn this guy a million millions of dollars.
But that's how things work. Regardless of how things work.
He here's another situation that happen at that time. So
Lovey Smith was the head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
They fired him and they gave Dirt Cutter the job.
Similar circumstance and reasoning behind the firing and the hiring
(15:07):
of Dirt Cutter. They had a young quarterback same draft class,
Jamis Winston, and they felt more comfortable with dirt Cutter
directing his career as opposed to love you Smith. But
we've never heard once that was a firing done based
on race, and that was a black coach who was
fired and a white coach who got The white people
aren't going to handle things, I understand. But but the
(15:30):
idea that we're going to go back in time to
that that period and say because Mike mclarkey felt guilty
about the hiring process, I just don't know where the evidence,
the hard evidence is. Well, you know that the Titans
were racist when white coaches were interviewed for the same
sham interview process and went through the same process as
(15:51):
Tarall Austin or or or any of these other guys
Ray Horton that were also part of the process the
entire time. I just I don't know where I just
say that that's the justification of interviewing a white person.
It doesn't. Again, it now comes down to what your
interpretation of it is. I mean, and that's that's by
individual right and and again I guess that's that's your opinion,
(16:14):
and we'll see things good. The problem is is the
arbitration or how this is gonna work is you know,
Brian Flores has been trying to get the NFL to
reject the Dolphins request for an arbitration hearing, which is
within all the contracts for these head coaches, right if
there is a m if there's an issue like this,
(16:34):
it then goes to arbitration first, which the NFL Commissioner
Roger Goodell oversea. The problem is is a lot of
those things that are set in arbitration don't come to light.
And I think that's part of the reason too, why
you're hearing some of this leak its way out because
the attorneys for Brian Flores realize that a he needs
more people backing him, other coaches who feel this way,
(16:56):
who are willing to take that stance, whether it's Ray
Horton or Steve Wilkes or anyone else who would join it. Um.
Which you know, it took a while to get to
this point, but I do think that shows strength with
some of these coaches. You know, maybe there is a
degree of evidence that they were trying to build up
to make more of a case for these guys. Whatever
(17:17):
the case is. Um. That's the next steps of it
is whether or not this thing goes into arbitration and
really what comes from that. But that's gonna be the
hard thing for him is is those the conversations had
in arbitration are not gonna come to the light of day.
Who do the arbitrators work for with the NFL, Roger
It goes to Roger Goodell. But probably why he wants
(17:40):
it to not be an arbitration. I mean, I was
saying that they're they're trying to put public pressure on
the NFL to not let this go to arbitration rather
be heard in the court of law. That that's what
they're They're trying to bypass this particular step because they
know it could be damning to their case or the
evidence they're trying to provide. And so if you put
enough public pressure on the NFL, the NFL is and
they'm gonna say, Okay, like, let's let's let this be
(18:01):
heard in court and we'll see how someone else you know,
stands for this, and we cannot be a part of
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stop this screet this phenomenon. We had to put it
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layer du wrinkle to uh amber. By three of our
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chopped up and then in some body of ocean like
Dexter when Jonas's real side comes. Come on. Well, I'm saying,
come on, creepy little whistle. We're talking about you. Guys
(20:20):
would have been proud of me yesterday. By the way,
I had a I had to Chicago Dogs, Chicago hot dogs.
You ever at a Chicago ate meat? Huh? Well? Yeah,
I mean I'm not even gonna answer that because I'm
gonna it's gonna walk into a drop that's gonna live on.
Just put the beef pipe in your mouth. But listen
you on for a second down. Yeah, I assume you
(20:45):
went to a baseball game. No, made him at home.
My brother made Yeah, and your brother can burn a
little bit. Yeah, he's good cook, good barbecue. Guys. What
what is that? That trap? Tip, black and trap? What
you call it? Yeah? He does that could try to
but he did know I didn't eat yesterday. Here, here's hungry.
(21:05):
That just made me hungry. But here's the trick with
with hot dogs trying to lose weight. Que they're better
in water on the stove than they are on the ground.
That's old school. Did yeah you think so? Ye, they
taste better. I tend to like char grilled anything, whether
it's a hot dog, whether it's a burger, chicken. I
like things char grilled, like to boil them in beer
(21:28):
first and then put them on the charcoate. Amazing, put
them in beer first and then amazing. Yeah, interesting, sounds
amazing good. I don't eat hot dogs, extremely gross. We
don't want to ruin anyone's breakfast with my Brady doesn't
eat hots Just I threw up all over our back porch.
(21:51):
What time I was like seven. I saw I was
just like one of those nights you come home as
a little kid, and I've been out playing with my
friend and and uh, I just I crunched down some
like chips, some orange juice, and like a couple of
hot dogs. And I always, for my entire life, I've
always been at early rise, like I got up before
my parents would and I was out back I just
(22:13):
love like fresh or price hoop, you know that kids have,
And I was shooting hoops on that and uh, I
literally just turned threw up everywhere. It was like something
from the Extorcist and just vomit violently projecting everywhere. And
then and so I have this lasting image just covered
(22:34):
with chunks of hot dogs, chips and orange juice. But
it didn't affect it. But you can have orange juice
and chips, but you just can't have hot dogs. That's
that's right, because that was the most unappetized I threw
up one time, cookies and cream ice cream, and I
remember looking the toilet seeing it swirling around. I was like,
can't ever do it. It's kind of funny because that's
(22:55):
how I am about alcohol. So my list of alcohol
is so small now, like it's so small, like like
like fireball, Like I've thrown up off of a lot
(23:17):
of them, and I can't drink them ever again. After that,
I can't do it. But I remember the last time
I actually threw up. I'll start dry heaven as soon
as I smell it. Yeah, But back to the hot
dogs Chicago. That question love a chili dog, I do
love a chili dog if you had a Chicago dog.
I had a git man with the pick had a
(23:39):
half smoked a hot dog and and um a sausage
half smoked hot dog and sausage half smoke from bench
chili bowl. Shots out to my people, shouts out to
my cut bench chili bowl. Uh a half smoke if
you're in d C and you're into that, because Q
would not be there. Yeah, Bromaz Yeah. Well you know
(24:04):
they showed me a lot of love and I'm on
their wall, so you know, not the way I happen, right,
but you know, you know, maybe we'll go one day,
maybe get you a half smoke. I'm not going. I'm
not going unless night shave first. If I'm going to
do that, it would do it with Dollar Shave Club
because six blade razor brings noticeably smooth shaves with six
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All Right, so we gotta get to the very latest
on an NFL story that will not go away. But
before we do that, let's turn it over too. I
was gonna say something involving a hot dog, and I
realized it's got a creepy Eddie Garcia before growing as
a human being, Eddie, No you're not. I mean maybe
(24:50):
you are to. Uh. The Chargers Washington football team home
openers kast season, and they claimed at Edex Field they
had a bench chili bowl in the upper deck, and
so I tried to get They wouldn't let me in
the elevator because I didn't have a certain pass, so
I didn't walk all the way and FedEx field er.
(25:11):
You know, it's pretty it's kind of up there. So
I walked all the way up there to go to
Ben's chili bowl and they didn't have any bench chili.
But no, well, me and you will go one day.
I did go to the other location, but you did.
Yeah you st yea all right? Nice. By the way,
I had a permantes at PNC Park. Is it not
the same? It's not the same, man, It's not the
(25:32):
same as downtown. See, it's the same in State College.
In fact, next week, two weeks, I will be having permantes. Yeah,
and I know, I know Q doesn't like spring games,
but you know what, when I'm there for that spring game.
I'm going to have some permanni brothers. I don't I
don't dislike them. Oh okay, you're just okay, all right, Eddie. Sorry, sorry, sorry,
(25:59):
We'll get back to me here. Yeah, come on, let's
start off with some golf. We've got second round action
of the Master's getting underwayne. About thirty minutes there Augusta
National Tiger Woods, of course, the story of day one.
We knew we would be regardless of what he did,
but not a bad opening round, a seventy one one
or too par, four shots off the leader, Son JM
of South Korea. Tiger had three birdies and two bogies.
He's tied for tenth place. M has a one shot
(26:21):
lead over Cameron Smith of Australia asked for Tiger. His
second around gets underway at one one Eastern time. Now
back to Brady, Quinna, war Arrington and Jonas Stocks in
the Fox Sports Radio studios. Thank you, Eddie, two pros
and a cup of Joe here Fox Sports Radio coming
up twelve minutes from now another edition of over Unders.
As we take a look ahead, make some predictions on
a busy weekend in the world of sports and beyond.
So again that'll happen here a little over twelve minutes
(26:42):
from now. So here's the latest in the Deshaun Watson
h story that continues to uh, you know, march on
right when you think all as well, he's got his
two hund thirty million dollars. Now we focus on the season. Uh.
The latest is from USA Today's Brett Schroden bar who
is reporting that two of the plainiffs uh making the
(27:03):
claims against Deshaun Watson, are amending their lawsuits to include
negligence and gross negligence against Watson. They're claiming that he
knew of his own sexual proclivities and failed to take
precautions to prevent them from occurring. Again, Tony Buzzby, the
lawyer representing the women, said that there are more. Basically,
(27:24):
there is more where that came from. That more this
is going to happen with the the other twenty women
involved in this. So what does that mean? Can somebody
can I know, can you explain that basically that he
had tendencies and he had likes, yes, and he refused,
he didn't do anything about it, which which goes back
(27:44):
to them showing a pattern of behavior which is why
he's going to be asked to respond to the claims
of the eighteen that defended him. Not there continues to
be an established m is what you guys are saying.
Let me ask you guys this one before before I'll
let you guys go with it. Do you feel as
though maybe Bugsby is that his name, Buzzby, Buzzby Buzzby.
(28:09):
Do you feel as though because now now that I've
gotten you know, with my men, my my, my legal specialists,
and he's enlightened me and I realized that this can
go back to Trow as many times or go back
to the grand jury as many times as there are
people to interview, so it could be like over twenty
(28:30):
times that this could he might have to go back
to the grand jury over and over again. Do you
feel as though bugs Bugsby may have have actually understood
that he might get two, three, four of them, five
of them, six of them, you know, not enough to
(28:52):
go to trial, knowing that the longer this goes, the
more you know information that could actually surface could make
this more of a trillable case. And then what does
that mean for the ones that did not get it?
Like because I'm assuming like it. Did it? Did they
(29:15):
go in front of a grand jury about all twenty two? Well,
how does that work? Yeah? I mean again, they're there,
you know, I have collected evidence, you know, from them,
Like that's where it first starts. You can't make that
claim or at it to your lawsuit if you don't
have evidence of such. So you know, during this period
UM they might have felt like there's enough, you know,
(29:37):
to be able to utilize UM at least with with
a few of the lawsuits or a few of the claims.
So I don't know if that answers your question. But
because it's not like they can make they can't make
that claim without having to back it up. Otherwise, to
your point, if they start getting certain parts of those
lawsuits thrown out because there really is no claim, then
(29:58):
it's gonna make the case look limsey. So I think
the way he went about filing initially was knowing that
as more evidence would come out, or as Deshaun Watson
had to then make UM public statements through his depositions
if you will, or if he was gonna get traded
like he didn't have to speak publicly, they were gonna
(30:20):
be able to leverage UM the potential of whatever came
out from that, adding it to their lawsuits, adding it
to there, and further squeezing. This is a squeez This
is a this is a squeeze movie. Look, it's all
to get a settlement like that. That's what this is about.
Is this all to put pressure on him to settle
and pay them a bit. He sprinkles a little bit
(30:40):
more out in the public, and a little bit more
out in the public, and a little bit more out
in the public. He's got plenty more of this. As
you don't you don't. You don't put every single piece
of information. You don't present every single piece of evidence
when you try to put it in front of Grand Joy.
You pick what you felt might work. So there's an
opportunity to the here to go back and say, okay,
(31:01):
we can now present these pieces of evidence. So so basically,
what it feels like, or what it's starting to sound like,
is this is a masterful move by buzz buzz Buzzby.
I want to keep saying bugsby, buz buzz light Year,
buzz yeah, buzz Buzzby, Buzzby light Year, buzz light Okay, yeah,
(31:24):
buzz So buzz light Year is what he's doing is
he's actually taking the Seawan and his legal team further
and further out into the waters. The deeper waters, and
basically the deeper the waters get, the more the settlement
will be, is basically what this is. That's what it
sounds like. Well, I mean, think about it from this perspective,
(31:47):
like they lucked out on the fact that not only
when DeShawn Watsons that got traded and it now it
expedites this process, right because if he doesn't get trade
and distracts on, there's there's really no rush for him
to settle because he's not to another team where he
might have to go on the field and play. And
(32:07):
I think that's one of the levers that Tony Buzzby knows.
The more he puts out there, the more public pressure,
the more he doesn't want to deal with it if
he has to go out there and play, right, And
so it's like things have worked out really well for
them in the sense that he got traded and then
on the news that he gets traded, he gets a
new contract million fully guaranteed, and so if you think
(32:29):
about a civil suit and that and that target, now
they're like, well, we know he's got the money, like
we know, he's got doing a thirty million dollars guaranteed.
And so they can play this hardball game as long
as they won, until their claims and the legal process
which the civil courts take forever runs its course. But
(32:50):
like times on their side and things keep working out
in their favor. It's Two Pros and a Cup of
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Dollar Shave Club dot Com or in stores. Time to
put your money where your mouth is lying life, it's
over under and for that we turned it over to
our executive producer, Lead to Laugh to find out first
how we did last Weekly Quick Breakdown here, Jonas, you
were the only one right that Villanova versus Kansas would
(34:40):
hit the over. LaVar was the only was the only
one right that North Carolina verse Duke would hit the
over both Brady and LaVar, I thought Jonas skipt sand
has hit the under. Jonas didn't take the under on
North Carolina verse Duke, but he was hedging his He
was hedging his bets with Villanova versus Kansas. Professional. You
know that's right, just lay it that in their content factory, Brady,
(35:04):
both you and LaVar were right that the combined seeds
for the National Championship would hit the over of three
and a half thanks to North Carolina. And then Jonas
and LaVar both took the WrestleMania bets of over on
the stone Cold centers and uh under on the number
of title changes, while Brady, you conceded those two. That's right, utly,
by the way, and how did I can see what exactly?
(35:25):
Did I say? Who cares? Yeah? So who? That would
actually be? LaVar? Of course? Yeah, Brady, one, this game
is so racist, man, I'm tired of it. Right, I'm sorry,
are stacked up against you guys? Yeah, you know, never
that class action loss. How about how many did I
(35:47):
get to get one? You got one, Brady, one of three.
I'll take It's a Hall of fame career in the
baseball Yeah it is. Um no steroids? All right? What
were you doing this weekly? All right? You guys? Tiger
Woods is tied for tenth currently at the Masters. He's
finished by the end of Sunday over under fifteen. Oh man,
(36:09):
I'm taking the over the over meaning yeah, I'll take
the over too. I think he's going to struggle one
of these days. Really, I think you'll finish outside the top.
I hate to admit it. I'm with you, guys, I do.
I hope he makes the cut, and I hope he
finishes top twenty. I just I think it's more of
hoping that for all those things too. What do you
(36:32):
mean do you hate to admit it? Come on, man,
this is the right gave out Betty advice yesterday. I
said you should parlay that he makes the cut and
finishes top twenty. You might as well parlay those two.
Just do what I do. Deny what ever happened there
you go. You've got to drop that. You cannot pull
out fellas We've already had two games postponed in Major
League Baseball, number of games postponed due to weather by
(36:54):
the end of the weekend at a half over over
opening weekend and Major League Baseball, there's always some postponements.
I'll take the over. I am going to take the under.
They're going to play, thanks so no, but I'm still
(37:17):
take the under. Al right, guys, onto the NBA, alrighty,
then onto the NBA. You guys, it's gonna be playing
through the weekend for the regular season. Two games left
for the Lakers, who have been already been eliminated from
the playoffs, Thunder and the Nuggets. Number of wins and
a half and they've got the Thunder and the Nuggets.
(37:38):
I think the Ron's not playing, right, I think they way,
I think they win one of those games. You know,
people would say most stopped playing. The players never play anyways,
I'll take the overly. Look at you, Mr Thousands. They're
gonna split, all right, how we do it in the
(37:59):
hate over probably will split, but I'm still going with
the under. Yeah, alright. UFC two seventy three tomorrow. Alexandro
Volkanowski versus the Korean Zombie Young Chun sung. But the button,
the button, Lee, it's a chance Sung John change awesome.
(38:21):
His nickname is the Korean zomb the Button, but it
is a legitimate nickname, and his entrance is the best
in m m A. He comes out to Zombie by
the cranberries. It is awesome, like imagine like that's exactly
how some Yeah, that one ta's the next kyote you
(38:43):
see when you're getting the mail of our That's how
it sounds that it's love to be able to taste
the coyote. You gotta get out of the car, though.
Peter get upset about a coyote who cares anything, and
you don't necessarily have to get out of the car
if you have one of those taser's that shoots. By
the way, Peter can kiss my ass. You need to
(39:03):
tell me nobody that Pete has ever had a cheeseburger.
Get out of here, Liars. I don't know, man, Yeah,
I think they take that animal stuff seriously. Screw them.
That throw some baby powder on you, Lee. I'll take
the under on three and a half rounds for the
Korean Zombie and Bulkanofski. I'm doing with what Jonah said, Yeah,
(39:24):
rounds three and a half, three and a half, Conna
take the under. Did you say what you said? The under? Yeah,
I'm gonna take Yeah, let's take all right, guys, and
by this time next week, number of big time trades,
big name trades in the NFL over under at a half.
I'm gonna take the over. I'll take the under. I
think it's gonna think it down, constitutes before the draft.
(39:48):
I'm gonna take the over. Big name trade. Yeah, what
does that mean, Baker? We'll find out next week. You know,
it depends someone that we know easily personally, like easily, No,
not person Mexico. Yeah, Cherry's getting traded. Fox Sports Radio
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