April 14, 2022 • 49 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington tell Baker Mayfield and all QB’s to suck it up when it comes to fans booing. The guys join Nick Saban in pointing out the pitfalls of NIL and the Old P, Petros Papadakis jumps on to talk, Naughty By Nature, Dodgers Home Opener and the Lakers Dumpster Fire.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar, Areans, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox four Radio. How we feeling on a Thursday? Boys?
Feeling good? I'm just telling LaVar? Did you make it back?
Did you make it back? Flying across the country? It
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literally took all day in the evening, but I finally
did make it back. I am back on the West coast.
Did you get some delays or because you do get
those three hours back when you go from East coast
to West coast, you would think, don't you. I mean,
I left that noon, we did get delayed out of Atlanta,
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and I got back at around nine, like right around
Hold on, now, did did the plane get delayed? Did
you get delayed in? Oh? You know, I guess I
could be cau cosidered to be a great question. Yes, yes,
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had you gotta go get some some some you know,
some some wings pepper You can only get the best
limit pepper wings in one place. Yeah, that is true.
Not happened this time though? Is that the only place? Though? Um?
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I mean, can no one else replicate that recipe? See
it's like the pizza dough and in New York. It's like,
can you replicate the water I got? You I got
There's something about the fryers, the oil that's at that
place that you just you're not going to be able
to replicate it. That's too bad. It's not only the
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oil from the oil. Huh. It's multi purpose oil, is
what it is. Right, Yes, And we are often running
now here, we are off and running. Um. So I
gotta ask you guys this, have you ever thought, with
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any criticism you got being a player that, man, I'd
love the opportunity to show up to somebody's work and
do the things and say the things to them that
they've done and said to me. If you have you
ever thought, just in a quiet moment, man, wouldn't it
be great to just show up at somebody's place of
business and give them the business literally like they give
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to me as a professional athlete in a first round pick,
and a very successful one at that. Have you ever
thought about that at any point in my life? All right?
All right? I was. I was thinking about this, and
I know where this is coming from, the kind of Um,
I honestly have actually thought about that. You know how
people in the real world war that would handle that light.
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And I do think there's a crowd out there. It
would be like, you know, maybe they'd be into that,
you know, maybe maybe pump them up and fire them
up a little bit um for all what that entails.
I'll just say this, when you get compensated like you
do as a professional athlete, you have to realize there's
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a lot that goes along with that. Your life is
no longer private. You give people the ability for what
you're being compensated to when you're not performing well, to
boo you. That's part of the deal. That's part of
all of it. And as much as you know you
can look at the fame and the lifestyle everything else
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that comes with it, you also have to understand there's
gonna be some bad too. And that's what bothers me
about this idea where athletes feel like they can't be booed,
whether it's by their opposing fans their own fans. Now,
I think there's a line that people can cross the times,
but you are being paid millions of dollars. Your life
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has changed, your your kids lives have changed some In
some cases, generations have changed. Suck it up. Suck it up,
like deal with the deal with what comes with that,
and stop complaining about it and just be thankful, be
thankful for the fact that you're there and not somewhere else.
That's all I have to say about it. Okay, so
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there's two. There's two parts of this. For me, Yes,
I have showed up the work feeling that way, but
not about the fans. If the fans are booing, if
they feel a certain type of way, if the community
is negatively reinforcing what's going on, you have to you
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have to understand that's part of the business. I mean,
you learn that. You learn that a really really long
time ago, and it's not supposed to change once you
become a professional athlete. Now, the second part of this
is if it's a coach, or if it's somebody in
the organization, as Brady mentioned, if they're speaking to you
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in a in a manner, in a way which you
you haven't been spoken to or you wouldn't be spoken
to that way in public. Um, Yeah, you think about
what that would be like to come. I don't think
about returning the language back to them. I think about
kicking their asks, is what I used to think about.
Like there was a couple of times I saw Dale
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Lindsey and that that meeting room and I looked out.
In fact, let me tell you there was one time
Dale Lindsey came at me after a game because I
would not speak to him on the telephone. You know
the booth, the booth where the coaches go up top.
They called you down on the phone. I was having
an amazing game. I was prepared, everything felt good. I
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was having a great game. I'm getting on the phone.
Every time I get on the phone, Heat like says
like stupid crazy stuff to me, And I'm like, this
dude is really trying to kind of derail me and
how I'm playing. Like that's really the pettiness that was
going on. And I stopped taking his calls. I'm like,
I'm not gonna have you like And I told him,
I said, listen, if you're gonna call down here and
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you're gonna talk and we're gonna have constructive conversation, I'm
cool with that all day. You can tell me what
I need to do, what I need to look for.
Maybe I might want to look at this. Here's a
tendency I'm catching. Okay, great, Uh, you might be getting
a little bit too wide in your alignment, or you
may be reading it a little too fast. Okay, great,
but don't call down talking crazy like and it has
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not absolutely really nothing to do with football. You're just
talking crazy. I'm not. I'm a grown man, so you're
not gonna be talking to me that way. So I
stopped taking his calls for an entire half. He comes
into the locker room after the game, and he comes
to I had a normal routine and he came to
where I was at. I was in the training room
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getting the tape off of my my ankles and stuff,
same way I always do. And he goes, you, mother, effort,
don't you ever ang money and not take my gun
a money and ever again? You shown man? Yeah, I
jumped off to the I jumped off to table. I
don't even remember myself jumping off of the table, to
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be honest, but I did because I do remember being
in his face and I told him, old man, if
you disrespect me one more time, I will hurt you.
And he never spoke to me every game. I think
we had like three games left. He when he was
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coaching my position in the meeting rooms, he was talking
to the other the other backer that played my position.
He would not address me the rest of the season.
And so there's there's an idea of if there is
a lack of respect, then there's a problem, especially if
it's with your constituents, with your superiors that are in
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that building, that's a problem. But if there's a lack
of respect from the fans, the fans owe you nothing.
They owe you nothing. Yes, they can cross the line. Yes,
they can say things that they shouldn't be able to say,
or maybe held accountable by some someone or something. Maybe
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that person is removed from the stadium or removed from
the facility or whatever it may be. They may be visiting.
I don't know what it is, but it's not from you,
the player. That's not for you to dictate and to decide.
And that's just what the culture has has bread That's
just what it is. You have to have a mindset,
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in a mental focus that allows for you to be
able to perform no matter what the given scenario or
circumstances or environment. Maybe that's why they call it hostile environments,
even if that hostile environment is your own fans. Well,
I mean all of that is compelling. I tend to
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side with you. Guys. But then another first round pick
named Baker Mayfield. He made an appearance yesterday on the
You Never Know podcast, and uh, he had a different
opinion on how he'd like to handle these situations. You
look at a bunch of other sad stories of like
if guys don't play ball, then that happens, Like that's
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their way out right, And so when people are like
so critical of it, it's like these guys are that's
the way. Like I would love to show up with
somebody's cubicle and just boot and watch watch them crumbles
for saying that I'm wrong for saying that. We talked
about that all the time though we said that on
the show, said that literally on the show. So there
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it is. So that's what I'm way to handle it. Yeah,
that's week. Hey, Lavre, you covered him this year again
he was booed at by the by Browns fans. So
again I think you're you're maybe part of the root
of the issue here. I mean, make make the type
of cash that person in that cubicle makes, right, I'd
be sitting in that cubicle like really, dude, like eighteen
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fifty an hour you some you know, but you want
to boo me, let me hold on, let me, let
me get up our boot boo this cubical with you,
like no, no, no, you make too much money and
you're a quarterback. So if you aren't being booed, you
can't make the comparison. You're gonna boo me in a cubicle.
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That's that's weak mindset and honestly is and that's where
like when you make those sorts of comments and that's
how you feel, then you're focused on the wrong things,
like you're gonna be in that cubicle sooner than later.
When that's your mindset. It really is like I remember
early on thinking always this and I learned this from
when I when I played at Notre Dame. Right, everyone's
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rooting for you during football season, but then you we
played this bookstore basketball tournament the spring and the entire campus.
It's the largest five on five outdoor basketball tournament in
the world. Literally, there's like hundreds of teams and it
goes the entire spring. So as soon as we had
a squad and we started playing my freshman year UM
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and we ended up winning it my freshman year. I
think we wanted we never got beat, but we wanted
to out of three the three years we were playing
in it, but you would hear some of the most
outrageous trash talk you've ever heard, because now it was
different when they were up in the stands and we
were on the field, they were cheering for you, But
once you had to go up against them, then all
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the student body was talking trash, saying all kinds of stuff.
And I'm saying like I would. I stopped a game
one time and literally walked over to a group of
dudes and one kid ran off, and I was like,
y'all better go chase him. I was like, because you're
you're all gonna get it once once I'm done with
this game. I mean, there was all sorts of stuff
being said, and I knew at that moment the same
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people that that are gonna cheer for you are gonna
be the same people one day that boo you, right,
And And I never want to put any weight in
any of it, the good or the bad. And that's
the problem is if he's putting that much stock or
weight in listening to the chatter and listening to the
booze and listen to all of that, he's focused on
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the wrong thing. So it's I mean, U until the
bar's point to dude, you signed, You're the first overall
pick in the draft class you and you signed on
almost twenty two million dollars signing bonus. Like you're gonna
compare yourself to someone who works in a cubicle. That's
just it's more hanging fruit man. Like you're like you're
like you're picking on the little guy, Like that's what
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you're doing right now because your circumstances aren't the way
you want them to be. And I get it. Look,
I've been in Cleveland. I know how things can. You
can work in your favorite work against you or turn
against you fast. And I'm sure he feels disrespected by
how they handle the stuff. But that's the reality is
it is not a right to play in the NFL.
It's a privilege, and he's got to understand that. So
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no one needs to treat him with any respect. That's
not what that game is about. It's about staying in
as long as you can, try to be as successful
as you can until it's over. I just love the idea.
I was thinking to myself, Man, you know, we haven't
heard from Baker Mayfield in a few weeks. I was
thinking it this week and I thought, yeah, and like
I think that's the problem, Like he can't help himself,
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Like he just can't help himself. And maybe this is
why he turned so many people off, like he just
he can't help. But but either bite back or make
a comment. And we've got, you know, plenty more from
Baker Mayfield Weeken sprinkling throughout the course of the show
because it was pretty interesting some of the stuff you
had to say. Be sure to catch live editions of
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn,
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LaVar Errington and Jonas Knocks week days at six am
Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio app. So, um, you guys should be
taking about this morning. I mean you should be celebrated,
and in fact, I think across the country, if you
are a Ledge football fan, you should be kissing the
ass of Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington. I firmly believe
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that because you guys said from the jump that while
everybody's real excited about the n I L deals that
are getting done, last year when we were first starting
out doing the shows together, and you guys are talking
about name, image, likeness, and it's great. These guys are
gonna be compensated, but there's gonna be some problems that
people aren't paying attention to that are gonna come up
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and going to be a topic of conversation soon. A
lot of people just said, well, no, no, just bitter
because you guys weren't part of this. And this is
great for the players. It's a long time coming, this
is how it should have been done. And now we've
got yet another coach who has come out and said
this could be a little bit of a problem, and
that coach is none other than Nick Saban, you know,
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the greatest college football coach in the history of the sport,
a guy who's had success for multiple decades now. And
then Nick Saban talked to yesterday in an interview with
the Associated Press us and just said, right now, the
n i L is not a sustainable model, not a
sustainable model. He talked about issues maybe within his own
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locker room and within his own team and just how
this is going to affect recruiting. So Nick Saban, in
talking with you know, the Associated Press yesterday and talking
with Ralph Russo of the AP Uh, he has there
at his displeasure thus far with n i OL. So congratulations,
you guys called it. Well. Let me start off by
by saying that there's a number of issues that I
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think teams will and are going to face, and it
all is like kind of lumped together right now. You know,
there's the transfer portal, So you've got players who have
demonstrated at one university their ability to play, and then
they are literally going around looking for for bids for
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their services elsewhere. So let's just start with the players
who are in college like that is now happening. You
have a free agency of college football right now. And
I'm not saying that you know, these kids don't deserve
the ability to earn off their n i L. But
there needs to be more structure. There needs to be
more of a governing body to put in some some
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different rules or regulations to govern a portion of it.
And this is why nationwide it's not all the same.
If you're a kid in southern California and you're in
high school, you could profit off your name, mge and likeness.
If you were Quinn yours last year, who was one
of the top players in in high school football, he
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couldn't and he was in the state of Texas. So
what did he do. He left school a year early, reclassified,
meaning he jumped ahead of year, went to Ohio State
before they had any plans whatsoever of him being there
or even maybe playing for them. He wasn't ready, and
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he did it solely so he could work with a
company that was based in Texas to then pay him
for a year. Why he's at Ohio State quote unquote
red shirting and then only to see him go back
to Texas because he could make money in college, right,
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but he couldn't do it at Texas in high school.
And so you can say, well, may he legitimately wanted
to go to Ohio State. I don't know did he.
I mean, it seemed like you more just wanted to
profit off that deal. And then he ends up transferring
back out because there's no harm, no foul, and now
is at the University of Texas and you know, continuing
to build off that n I L deal. So you've
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got issues with the transfer portal and how players are
are leveraging themselves and so forth. And then I kind
of just mentioned the high school aspect of it. Not
every state's the same. So there's some states that you're
gonna be able to pay those players while they're in
high school. And you're saying, well, isn't that inducement. It is,
but this is the workaround. You look at the young
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kids in southern California who committed to Tennessee, the workarounds,
the language they put within that deal where they specifically
stay this is not an inducement for this player to
go to Tennessee. So they stayed in the contract. It's
not inducement. But what is it like if he's gonna
get paid eight million bucks to million a year for
four years to go to the University of Tennessee or
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if he goes there as a student athlete, but it's
not inducement, then what is it. If it looks like
a duck, if it walks like a duck, sounds like
a duck, probably a duck. It's a goose. And that's
what this is. It's like golden goose. Well, yeah, for him,
But that's the truth of this, right, Like you're getting
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it at every single level. Now, what's infiltrating the high
school level and now you're seeing kids have agents and
handlers in football at the high school level. And that's
a problem because it's not the player, Like the original
intentive n I L is so that the player can
profit off his name, image and likeness. But you know
what's happening. You get all these bad actors flooding into
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represent these kids, and what do they want. They want
a piece of it, They want a piece of that,
and they would have represented and they want to you know,
go around and back back channeling bidding. And you know
what the worst part about that is now the kids
making the decision about where he's gonna go based on
the advice of someone who they may or may not
be overly that close with or someone who may not
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be smart enough or equipped enough to handle that decision
and what it entails. And then you've got this player
now who's going to a school for the wrong reasons,
and so he goes in for a short term paid
in instead of going somewhere where he goes and maybe
plays and develops into a superstar in the NFL or
even beyond that, just gets a degree. Now you're popping
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around different spots. You have no degree that's gonna do
anything for you when the game of football ends and
you have to get a job. And I know sounds crazy,
but look at the stats, folks, like, not all these
kids are going to the NFL. Not all of them
are gonna last that long in the NFL. I mean,
we talked about Baker Mayfield the first segment. He was
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the number one overall pick. I mean, I don't did
you guys not think he'd at least get a second
contract with Cleveland, especially after his rookie year, especially after
his third year. And now we're after his fourth year
and he gone, he's somewhere else. Yeah. I just I
have a real problem with this right now because I
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agree with a lot of the sentiments of Nick Saban
and that a lot of people are gonna be like, oh,
he's just butt hurt because you know, he didn't have
the number one recruiting class. It was Tech SANM and
they're in the SEC West. They played each other and
Jimbo got went up for him. No, dude, has nothing
to do with that. Alabama will still probably mopped the
floor with Texas A and M next year. That's just
the reality of it. You know, I know this year
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didn't end up working out that way, but just wait
and see. Like they're gonna come back with a vengeance.
It's not about that. It's about that what's best for
these young men. And I think people are starting to
realize maybe what's happening right now this isn't what's best
for them, it's I mean, and that's the slippery slope
to even say, well, he's but hurt because he lost
to Texas A and M, because you got to take
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into consideration that what he's saying there's validity too. If
this ends up being purchasing players, right, If if that's
what this turns into, then Alabama will be right up
there with the best of them being able to purchase players.
Oh if they want, they want, they'll turn that fast
and it will never run out. So don't don't get
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it confused as if like something gave somebody a more
competitive edge than what Nick Saban and Alabama has. That's
not the point. You know. Another thing to think about
here is is that, you know, you covered a lot
of it, but what about the parents, you know, what
about the family members? You know, we're talking about the
the agents and representation that are gonna come in and
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and start really warping the realities of these high school athletes.
It'll it'll probably go as deep as they will start
dealing with youth athlete, youth level athletes in football. Now
for n I L and and the idea of it
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is is is, as you mentioned, Brady, people are trying
to find their golden goose. If it looks like a
duck quacks like a duck, it's somebody's golden goose. They're
trying to find someone that they can make a sustainable
for an amount of time. Probably they're thinking, probably for
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a really long time, make money off of. So now
what's happening is if if this isn't regulated right, if
it isn't put into the right framework as it applies
to the portal, as it applies to the n I
L did ills, then now these young men become price tags,
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they start to become they start to become commodities that
are dehumanized because people are going to be trying to
get to them and do things and and and manipulate
situations on on the I guess the premise of being
able to cash in on them if they turn out
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to be of a our five level kid. And so
now it's not really about genuinely developing these kids to
develop them to be able to be good, good people.
You know, this is really about can I get them
into a a school where they can go there. And
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it's all about their nutrition and all about their exercise
and working out and training and skill work and and
film work and this, that and the other, because I
need to get them as good as they can get
so that I can make them a four or five
star recruit. And it's become a craze and they're trying
to become that because they are they are in search
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of what it is that people aren't influencing them to do.
You gotta keep in mind, these are young kids. These
are young guys, teenagers, and they are being led down
the path of whatever that that that influence you figure
in their life is going to be. So that quarterback
in California or anywhere else, it doesn't matter if the
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n I L Is active where they're at, they can
still be taken care of in a way where once
they're eligible, once they get to college, they're already lined up, right,
Which is is that not the definition of inducement? That is?
And then and that's the whole problem with this is
like even with with with nico UM, the quarterback who
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committed to Tennessee and is in southern California. He got
two and fifty k up front because he's filming a
document series and where they follow him and all that stuff,
and so he gets that money up front, and he's
able to do that because it's in the state, you know,
southern California. I mean, that's part of the issue is nationally,
it's not even a level of playing field for these kids.
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And you've got some states like Oklahoma. Initially they came
out and their state had a specific ruling that was like, well,
we're gonna rely one whatever the n c A does
or is something along those lines. And then they realized like, oh,
that was too restrictive. Now they're sending the original bill
of what was passed, like they're changing state law because
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they're like, well, we can't compete in recruiting. And if
you're Oklahoma and you can't compete when you've got to
go to the SEC here in a year, that's a problem.
You know. You know. One more real quick one more
thing to add to the conversation is n I L
deals that are being done through n I O. Uh,
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you know, nonprofit bodies where the schools no affiliation to
the school, but are collectives that are helping the school.
If you are if you were to leave the school
and you had an n I L deal come to you,
the n I L deal is null and void. You
don't get to take that deal to the next school
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if you go into the portal. So keep that in
mind because that plays a very very critical piece in
terms of you know, okay, well wouldn't you say that
that has everything to do with them being at that
school exactly? Like like follow the math of it. We'll
fall the money right, once the money is turned off,
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and once he's going for that money, it's it's the
whole justification and reason for why he is there. So
that's where the word inducement starts to come out. And
I think that's the tough part is there's all these
schools who see this window of opportunity to compete with Alabama,
and so you see Texas and m spending a ton
of money on this, you see other schools who have
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been doing it. It's and I think some of the
critics will say, well, this has been happening all along.
It's just it's now over the table. It was under
the table before downs over the table. The problem is
there weren't as many bad actors or characters around these
kids at a young age there are now. Like if
if you were have ever questioned an agent's prerogative because
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those guys are in it to take a percentage of
those kids earnings. That's what's happening right now, and it's
happening at a younger age when these guys are still
deemed to be amateurs. So that's the problem is we've
we've allowed n I L to open up this huge
landscape for adults and agents and bad actors. And I'm
not saying all agents are bad people and all that,
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but they're incentivized to earn a percentage of those players earnings,
and so it all of a sudden becomes about money
and doesn't become about their development as a player, as
a person or any of that. And you might not
care about that, but that's the reality of this is
money is not going to solve all your issues, and
especially not the money that these kids are earning at
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this point, at that young of an age. I mean, Jonas,
I don't mean to bring this up, but how many
childhood actors have you seen that have made al some
of money early on and have blown it. Probably childhood
actress who are making more of these n I L deals,
Oh listen and have problems later on. And that's why
I've wondered this whole, Like when you guys have been
talking about this, how many careers are going to be
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ruined because of this? Like just like, I just wonder
how many think about like the portal in general. I'm
not saying like in the case of you know, J. T. Daniels,
he's chasing money, but what was he a five star
recruit when he came out of Modern Day He left USC,
did work, goes to Georgia, didn't work. Now he's a
I mean, I beat out by a former walk on
who's now the starting quarterback and now he's in West Virginia.
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It's like the portal in general has has hurt these
kids in the sense that they have to keep jumping
spot to spot to spot because they just want to play.
It's like, dude, maybe it's not the place you're at.
Maybe it's you. Maybe you're the problem. How many times
did brew McCoy transfer, Like, was it three? It didn't
Brew McCoy transfer from Texas well? It was like he
was like a ping pong ball. At one point it
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was like Texas, Texas. Yeah, oh my god. And the
kid out of Bishop Gorman do that too. I don't listen.
There's been a lot. I can't kill quarterback. The quarterback
that was now he's officially retired and he never even
made it to the pros, Like, but he retired. It's
just yeah, it's it feels like every day there's somebody
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co host of the Petros and Money Show on the
Blowtorch AM five seventy l A. Sports Fox college football
analysts make some noise for the old p Yeah yeah, morning,
(30:48):
good morning everybody. Yeah yeah. I was on a vacation,
a brief vacation and spring break for my kids. So
we went to the desert and I got the hell
out of there. I was planning on leaving anyway, but
I got the hell out of there pretty quick because
Coachella is headed there. Well it is Coachella, but the
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Coachella Valley, but Coachella the music festival which coming. Yeah,
and I just you just felt this sense of impending
throughout the valley better than stagecoach, though, I'd have to say.
I mean, like, if I had to choose between, like
I'm more of a guy, like festival culture has become
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a really big thing, like that's where people go to
consume music. And I think it's great because it gives
an opportunity for a lot of different musicians to play
in in a day at a festival and exposes a
lot of people to music they might otherwise not here,
But I'm more of just like go see the band,
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have a drink, go home. But it really is a
thing like that's what everybody's into these days. Yeah, bidding
that that Literally, I don't know who's gonna mosh pit
two at the weekend, but yeah, find ways I've seen
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him in concert that's not really a mosh pit type environment.
Um stage, You're another day. What do you remember about O. P. P.
Back in the day when by Naughty by Nature? Was that?
Like when I was fourteen years old, I was in
football camp with the freshman football team at Peninsula High School.
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Everybody was asking each other if they were down with
which was pretty funny because you know the majority of
everybody if not, you know, all of us were virgins
and around uh, but it was it was. It was
inappropriate though, because you know we were young. It was inappropriate.
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But you know, it's it's hard in football camp. You know,
everybody gets the even at the pro level, I think
everybody gets that piece of tape on their helmet and
that has your name on it, so the coaches know
who you are, and it's it's humiliating in a way.
But you know they put a piece of tape right
on the top front of your helmet and they write
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your last name. And there was a guy named Paul Woodcock. Yeah,
did not last the first week. Why because when I
send it right there on his head he was down
with well, we were all singing it together. But I
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do remember that. I remember the best song by Naughty
by Nature that came out. It was on the Juice soundtrack.
It was called then that was a good one, but
you be on it. Bro J had an album yes,
no kidding, how about that No No Juice with Tupac
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where that guy goes you Got the Juice. The Juice
now does have a song though, Yeahtown Anthem. O J
had a show called You Got Juiced where after he
was I guess it was a Florida thing before you
should know Brady, before he went to uh, before he
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went to jail for the Vegas stuff, he had like
a weird reality show, uh in the in the primordial
ooze of that kind of show called you Got Juice.
You can look it up. It's a It was a thing.
But yes, I do remember the Uptown Anthem. It was
a great song. Naughty by nature. It's an interesting group
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because they always had that other guy that nobody really
thought about, you know, the same as the guy in
Cypress Hill that you know goes remember you know that,
it's like who is that guy? You know, what does
he do? Uh? And they had that extra guy, you know,
one did the beat, you had KG did the beats,
and then you have been rock. Yeah, they're usually three guys.
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And I missed that about rap groups to where you
just had like a dude who never smiled, who just
stood behind DJ table like he would come out with
the rapper and it's like, that's our guy, that's our
DJ terminator X there he is. It's like, okay, he's
not really doing anything. That's the only one that was
really doing something was DJ Premier from Gang Star. He
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was the jazz jeff Man. Please, no, no jazzy Jeff
No jazz Man. No one gets any love from the
Fresh Prayer, not even Tatiana Ali, nobody, Petro's you got
a Dodger home opener? You got me. You guys gotta
go out there today and be on the field today,
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all right, So walk us through what it's like my
booster card. Yeah, on location at a Dodger game with
the Petros and Money show. What's that like? I mean,
are you pisting off players or what? No? No, you know,
I I don't want to say. I don't want to
be presumptuous, but I pride myself and Brady can answer
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for this because Brady is in the literally in the
cool kids group. Well, I mean he is. He's a
studio show. So you know they have well you shouldn't be.
I mean, it's just the position they have catering, they
have a big, beautiful room, you know, all kinds of stuff.
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I mean, it's a nice plus job. And whenever I
come to work to do a game, because I work
in the studio these days, mostly everybody goes you should
go over there and say hi, you know, why don't
you go there? And you know, because they want to
come with me, right so they can eat the food
and rub elbows with all the swells, And I'm like, no,
if somebody wants to see me, they can come over here.
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And I don't wear people out by showing my giant
face over and over again. That way, on the off
chance that I do see anybody or am around anybody,
they're generally happy to see me because they don't see
me that much. And that is how I do it.
At the Dodger game, the Dodger, the Dodger players and
baseball players in general are miserable most of the time.
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They hate each other. It's a grind. They're they're all day.
When they're not they're they're on a plane together. When
they're not on a plane together, they're on a bus together.
When they're not on a bus together, they're in a
hotel together. So they are piste and they hate the media.
There's always a like a slow sand paper grind in baseball,
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and that's a real thing because it's a daily kind
of ritual and people get sick of each other. So
I tried my best, even though I'm credentialed to never
go anywhere that I am not doing my job. Like
other radio guys, just douche bags, mostly working at ESPN.
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They always like they go to like they show up
at the clubhouse for like a celebration or something, but
they're not interviewing anybody. They have no purpose. They're they're
just there because they're front runner p gra You gotta
have picks for the Instagram that kind of thing, you know.
So whenever. I have field access all the time, but
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I only use it on opening day when we have
to go do the show down there. So that being said,
because of that, people are generally much less piste off
as far as players go, that we're there because they
kind of want to come on and have a good time,
and you know, it's fun to people kind of float around.
Brad Paisley, you know, we'll be down there because some
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kind of country West Virginia Dodger fan, and there'll be
it'll be, there'll be a lot. There'll be a big
group of the collected media down there, Bill plash Key,
all the weird writers. Mostly what everybody does these days
when it comes to Dodgers is follow around David Vasse
because he's the guy that has all the relationships and information.
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So you find all the TV people just following Dave
around and talking to people, which is kind of funny.
I know it's on a Monday, but is it a
Mitchell lot a day you're gonna have one of those
it down on the field, right like when they I
don't think, yeah, I think that's frowned upon. Yeah, it's
one thing to be down in the dugout, like screaming.
You know, well, welcome back. It's p ands on a
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five seventy. You know, it's one thing to be down
there doing that, it's a whole other thing to be like.
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Please drink responsively. What about a flood, pops? Well, I
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don't think smoking weed down there, although you know, it
looks like you look at the face a lot of
these players and they got the just just looks like
a lot of them are high. But I mean, gumpies
are probably the new Greenies, right. I hit two I
hit two home runs on the Sativa yesterday. But but no,
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no Lavan, I will I will be uh you know
I when I do sporting events, Uh, I just show
up and then I leave. I will leave long before
first pit. Come on, what do you do? I remember
when I first when I got when I first got
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into the media and I had a Dodger credential. I
remember driving to the Dodger games, and almost every time
that I was entering the game, Steve Lyons who was
the pregame host, was almost like would run me over leaving,
like you know in like a Ferrari or psycho Steve Lions.
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And I always I remember that being a young broadcaster
and being like, why is he gonna leave? I mean,
what about the game? And now now I'm not much worse. Oh, Petros,
I need to ask you about just the Lakers in
the fallout, Vogel getting fired, Lebron's reaction to pretty much
everything over the course of the past few days, making
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fun and laughing at the Timberwolves for their celebration for
winning a playing game. I just I feel like you're
the best person to do that. Oh he did, Yeah
he did. I've been in the desert. My gosh, it's
not It's not fun. How on a vacation with kids,
is it? No, it's not. It's a journey, is what
it is. And all they do is wear you out
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and they want new stuff, and then you feet a
vacation from that vacation. Right, my son has pissed because
he didn't get an Apple Watch. It's like, why, why
who said we were going to get an Apple watch
in the desert? Is the desert the place? And they
grow like off a cat die like what anyway? Uh
Lebron the Lakers. Uh yeah, it's an unmitigated disaster. The
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Lakers have hookered themselves out and and corporately taken over
by Clutch Sports. And he has a lot of very
interesting reactions in a time where he should probably just
be laying low. But I guess the most interesting thing
that I took away from it, with the firing and
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all of that, was the timing of Adrian war Janowski's
And I used to really like Adrian. We I still
like Adrian. I mean we used to have one the
show once a week, long before you know what, anybody
knew what a WOS bomb was or anything like that.
And uh, I mean we used even used to text.
I don't have a texting relationship with a lot of people.
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Uh So I I thought it was really interesting the
timing of it, And then I thought, well, you know what,
the timing was probably Vogel's agent trying to make the
Lakers look bad, right because he was the one that knew.
Because everybody knows the Lakers are a dumpster fire in
the front office, and they needed to make Vogel look
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sympathetic in the moment, so I thought, you know, that's
how I usually think of those things like double triple
quadruple espionage. Who does that story help with the timing
of the leak? And why? Because I didn't think Adrian
would that be that heartless of a guy to Jack
del Rio, Right. I just didn't think he would do
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that unless it was something that served the guy himself
through his agent. Yeah, but when you were talking to Woads,
he was that was yahoo woag. Yeah, this is like Vader.
He's more machine than man now twisted and evil. Uh pop,
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let me let me. Do you think do you think
that he made that decision to or do you think
if he was the one, if Vogel was the one
that was behind this. The way that has explained it, right,
is that is that because he's next if he doesn't,
if he doesn't comply with what Klutch wants, well I
think he was getting fired either way. It was just
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the time. Excuse me, not not Vogel. I'm talking about
the GM. I'm sorry, I'm what's his name, Polenka, Polenka.
I don't even know what he does. I mean, he's
he walks around looking like Rob Low. Yeah, like but yeah,
he's a he's a weirdo. I mean he came on
(44:44):
our show once. I mean I have we haven't taken
a call since n on our radio show. I mean,
we just don't know, we don't do that, you know.
I mean, and uh, I mean people interact. Everybody can
text me and all that, but I mean I get
text when I come on your show. But but it is, uh,
it is really interesting because Polinka came on our show
(45:06):
once and he was like, I really appreciate all your
listeners and and all their suggestions and the calls that
you guys take, and just you know, we're really he
sounds no, he sounds like this like a dime store philosopher.
I mean he really is like Manna from heaven. Let's
tell let me tell you the story of a Bob
(45:27):
Cap that becomes a lion. And it was like, shut up,
you know, it's like just you know, take your money
and take your criticism. As a shadow g M. Like
there's so many shadows around the Laker organization. You think
it's like kf I Coast to coast shadow Like you
got Linda Rambis, he got Kurt Rambus, you got Magic,
(45:48):
you got Phil Jackson, you got Polinka, you got all
these weird Vanessa Bryant. I mean, there is so many
voices in the within the Acres organization, and it really
makes you wonder, Uh talking about the Dodgers today and
Chavez Ravine and all that stuff. I mean, that was
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a family owned business, and that family moved the Dodgers
to l A and it was a big thing. And
the O'Malley family had a certain kind of standard and
the way the players were and Dodger Blue and Tommy
La sorta. And now the Dodgers are owned by like
a hedge fund, right or a big financial group, Googgenheim Group,
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and they do a really great job keeping the team competitive.
They have the most visited sport on Earth. And then
you go look at the Lakers, who are still I mean,
the TV show is on kind of it's really good
telling the story of the past and in a cartoonish
type of way, but it is the story. Yeah, it's
the story of the past, and uh, you have that
(46:53):
happening and it reminds you, like you probably just can't
run one of the biggest franchises or brands and sports.
You probably can't do that with with a family anymore,
or at least a second or third generation of people
that have just do you know, whether it's been Jim
Buss and Chaz his bartender friend I think we talked
(47:17):
about that before, or or Genie and Linda Rambus and
all of these different people that have come through. It
just feels like maybe maybe it's time for a new era.
It's probably not gonna happen ever, but I just don't
see where the dysfunction ends and responsibility begins. And you
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go to a Laker game now and it's just all
hookers and agents and free and the lower bowl. It's
like no one's even there to watch, Like at least
there's like go to Clipper games or any other game.
It's like some semblance of what a basketball game is.
Like the Laker games have become like a mutated like freakship.
It's like it's like they put a hardwood floor in
the rainbow room and just put up a couple of
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hoops on each other. It's it's like, you know, it's
not odd to have a man and like a giant
white leather peaco and it's like, dude, it's degrees outside.
I know that that outfit is only for the gram,
but come on, get him on Twitter at the old
p he will be at Dodger Stadium. Petros, Papa is
(48:29):
uh you yellow yellow Petros. If you're at a Dodger
game later on and you're listening on, take him on,
yell at him screamed out on the field with the
mad dog is Petros. We appreciate it. Man, have some
fun and then it will do it again next week. Yeah,
there he is. It is too CROs and a cup
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Fox four Radio. How we feeling on a Thursday? Boys?
Feeling good? I'm just telling LaVar? Did you make it back?
Did you make it back? Flying across the country? It
(00:21):
literally took all day in the evening, but I finally
did make it back. I am back on the West coast.
Did you get some delays or because you do get
those three hours back when you go from East coast
to West coast, you would think, don't you. I mean,
I left that noon, we did get delayed out of Atlanta,
(00:42):
and I got back at around nine, like right around
Hold on, now, did did the plane get delayed? Did
you get delayed in? Oh? You know, I guess I
could be cau cosidered to be a great question. Yes, yes,
(01:04):
had you gotta go get some some some you know,
some some wings pepper You can only get the best
limit pepper wings in one place. Yeah, that is true.
Not happened this time though? Is that the only place? Though? Um?
(01:24):
I mean, can no one else replicate that recipe? See
it's like the pizza dough and in New York. It's like,
can you replicate the water I got? You I got
There's something about the fryers, the oil that's at that
place that you just you're not going to be able
to replicate it. That's too bad. It's not only the
(01:45):
oil from the oil. Huh. It's multi purpose oil, is
what it is. Right, Yes, And we are often running
now here, we are off and running. Um. So I
gotta ask you guys this, have you ever thought, with
(02:06):
any criticism you got being a player that, man, I'd
love the opportunity to show up to somebody's work and
do the things and say the things to them that
they've done and said to me. If you have you
ever thought, just in a quiet moment, man, wouldn't it
be great to just show up at somebody's place of
business and give them the business literally like they give
(02:27):
to me as a professional athlete in a first round pick,
and a very successful one at that. Have you ever
thought about that at any point in my life? All right?
All right? I was. I was thinking about this, and
I know where this is coming from, the kind of Um,
I honestly have actually thought about that. You know how
people in the real world war that would handle that light.
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And I do think there's a crowd out there. It
would be like, you know, maybe they'd be into that,
you know, maybe maybe pump them up and fire them
up a little bit um for all what that entails.
I'll just say this, when you get compensated like you
do as a professional athlete, you have to realize there's
(03:11):
a lot that goes along with that. Your life is
no longer private. You give people the ability for what
you're being compensated to when you're not performing well, to
boo you. That's part of the deal. That's part of
all of it. And as much as you know you
can look at the fame and the lifestyle everything else
(03:33):
that comes with it, you also have to understand there's
gonna be some bad too. And that's what bothers me
about this idea where athletes feel like they can't be booed,
whether it's by their opposing fans their own fans. Now,
I think there's a line that people can cross the times,
but you are being paid millions of dollars. Your life
(03:57):
has changed, your your kids lives have changed some In
some cases, generations have changed. Suck it up. Suck it up,
like deal with the deal with what comes with that,
and stop complaining about it and just be thankful, be
thankful for the fact that you're there and not somewhere else.
That's all I have to say about it. Okay, so
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there's two. There's two parts of this. For me, Yes,
I have showed up the work feeling that way, but
not about the fans. If the fans are booing, if
they feel a certain type of way, if the community
is negatively reinforcing what's going on, you have to you
(04:42):
have to understand that's part of the business. I mean,
you learn that. You learn that a really really long
time ago, and it's not supposed to change once you
become a professional athlete. Now, the second part of this
is if it's a coach, or if it's somebody in
the organization, as Brady mentioned, if they're speaking to you
(05:03):
in a in a manner, in a way which you
you haven't been spoken to or you wouldn't be spoken
to that way in public. Um, Yeah, you think about
what that would be like to come. I don't think
about returning the language back to them. I think about
kicking their asks, is what I used to think about.
Like there was a couple of times I saw Dale
(05:24):
Lindsey and that that meeting room and I looked out.
In fact, let me tell you there was one time
Dale Lindsey came at me after a game because I
would not speak to him on the telephone. You know
the booth, the booth where the coaches go up top.
They called you down on the phone. I was having
an amazing game. I was prepared, everything felt good. I
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was having a great game. I'm getting on the phone.
Every time I get on the phone, Heat like says
like stupid crazy stuff to me, And I'm like, this
dude is really trying to kind of derail me and
how I'm playing. Like that's really the pettiness that was
going on. And I stopped taking his calls. I'm like,
I'm not gonna have you like And I told him,
I said, listen, if you're gonna call down here and
(06:08):
you're gonna talk and we're gonna have constructive conversation, I'm
cool with that all day. You can tell me what
I need to do, what I need to look for.
Maybe I might want to look at this. Here's a
tendency I'm catching. Okay, great, Uh, you might be getting
a little bit too wide in your alignment, or you
may be reading it a little too fast. Okay, great,
but don't call down talking crazy like and it has
(06:31):
not absolutely really nothing to do with football. You're just
talking crazy. I'm not. I'm a grown man, so you're
not gonna be talking to me that way. So I
stopped taking his calls for an entire half. He comes
into the locker room after the game, and he comes
to I had a normal routine and he came to
where I was at. I was in the training room
(06:52):
getting the tape off of my my ankles and stuff,
same way I always do. And he goes, you, mother, effort,
don't you ever ang money and not take my gun
a money and ever again? You shown man? Yeah, I
jumped off to the I jumped off to table. I
don't even remember myself jumping off of the table, to
(07:13):
be honest, but I did because I do remember being
in his face and I told him, old man, if
you disrespect me one more time, I will hurt you.
And he never spoke to me every game. I think
we had like three games left. He when he was
(07:34):
coaching my position in the meeting rooms, he was talking
to the other the other backer that played my position.
He would not address me the rest of the season.
And so there's there's an idea of if there is
a lack of respect, then there's a problem, especially if
it's with your constituents, with your superiors that are in
(07:57):
that building, that's a problem. But if there's a lack
of respect from the fans, the fans owe you nothing.
They owe you nothing. Yes, they can cross the line. Yes,
they can say things that they shouldn't be able to say,
or maybe held accountable by some someone or something. Maybe
(08:18):
that person is removed from the stadium or removed from
the facility or whatever it may be. They may be visiting.
I don't know what it is, but it's not from you,
the player. That's not for you to dictate and to decide.
And that's just what the culture has has bread That's
just what it is. You have to have a mindset,
(08:38):
in a mental focus that allows for you to be
able to perform no matter what the given scenario or
circumstances or environment. Maybe that's why they call it hostile environments,
even if that hostile environment is your own fans. Well,
I mean all of that is compelling. I tend to
(09:00):
side with you. Guys. But then another first round pick
named Baker Mayfield. He made an appearance yesterday on the
You Never Know podcast, and uh, he had a different
opinion on how he'd like to handle these situations. You
look at a bunch of other sad stories of like
if guys don't play ball, then that happens, Like that's
(09:20):
their way out right, And so when people are like
so critical of it, it's like these guys are that's
the way. Like I would love to show up with
somebody's cubicle and just boot and watch watch them crumbles
for saying that I'm wrong for saying that. We talked
about that all the time though we said that on
the show, said that literally on the show. So there
(09:42):
it is. So that's what I'm way to handle it. Yeah,
that's week. Hey, Lavre, you covered him this year again
he was booed at by the by Browns fans. So
again I think you're you're maybe part of the root
of the issue here. I mean, make make the type
of cash that person in that cubicle makes, right, I'd
be sitting in that cubicle like really, dude, like eighteen
(10:04):
fifty an hour you some you know, but you want
to boo me, let me hold on, let me, let
me get up our boot boo this cubical with you,
like no, no, no, you make too much money and
you're a quarterback. So if you aren't being booed, you
can't make the comparison. You're gonna boo me in a cubicle.
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That's that's weak mindset and honestly is and that's where
like when you make those sorts of comments and that's
how you feel, then you're focused on the wrong things,
like you're gonna be in that cubicle sooner than later.
When that's your mindset. It really is like I remember
early on thinking always this and I learned this from
when I when I played at Notre Dame. Right, everyone's
(10:48):
rooting for you during football season, but then you we
played this bookstore basketball tournament the spring and the entire campus.
It's the largest five on five outdoor basketball tournament in
the world. Literally, there's like hundreds of teams and it
goes the entire spring. So as soon as we had
a squad and we started playing my freshman year UM
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and we ended up winning it my freshman year. I
think we wanted we never got beat, but we wanted
to out of three the three years we were playing
in it, but you would hear some of the most
outrageous trash talk you've ever heard, because now it was
different when they were up in the stands and we
were on the field, they were cheering for you, But
once you had to go up against them, then all
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the student body was talking trash, saying all kinds of stuff.
And I'm saying like I would. I stopped a game
one time and literally walked over to a group of
dudes and one kid ran off, and I was like,
y'all better go chase him. I was like, because you're
you're all gonna get it once once I'm done with
this game. I mean, there was all sorts of stuff
being said, and I knew at that moment the same
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people that that are gonna cheer for you are gonna
be the same people one day that boo you, right,
And And I never want to put any weight in
any of it, the good or the bad. And that's
the problem is if he's putting that much stock or
weight in listening to the chatter and listening to the
booze and listen to all of that, he's focused on
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the wrong thing. So it's I mean, U until the
bar's point to dude, you signed, You're the first overall
pick in the draft class you and you signed on
almost twenty two million dollars signing bonus. Like you're gonna
compare yourself to someone who works in a cubicle. That's
just it's more hanging fruit man. Like you're like you're
like you're picking on the little guy, Like that's what
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you're doing right now because your circumstances aren't the way
you want them to be. And I get it. Look,
I've been in Cleveland. I know how things can. You
can work in your favorite work against you or turn
against you fast. And I'm sure he feels disrespected by
how they handle the stuff. But that's the reality is
it is not a right to play in the NFL.
It's a privilege, and he's got to understand that. So
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no one needs to treat him with any respect. That's
not what that game is about. It's about staying in
as long as you can, try to be as successful
as you can until it's over. I just love the idea.
I was thinking to myself, Man, you know, we haven't
heard from Baker Mayfield in a few weeks. I was
thinking it this week and I thought, yeah, and like
I think that's the problem, Like he can't help himself,
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Like he just can't help himself. And maybe this is
why he turned so many people off, like he just
he can't help. But but either bite back or make
a comment. And we've got, you know, plenty more from
Baker Mayfield Weeken sprinkling throughout the course of the show
because it was pretty interesting some of the stuff you
had to say. Be sure to catch live editions of
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I Heart Radio app. So, um, you guys should be
taking about this morning. I mean you should be celebrated,
and in fact, I think across the country, if you
are a Ledge football fan, you should be kissing the
ass of Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington. I firmly believe
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that because you guys said from the jump that while
everybody's real excited about the n I L deals that
are getting done, last year when we were first starting
out doing the shows together, and you guys are talking
about name, image, likeness, and it's great. These guys are
gonna be compensated, but there's gonna be some problems that
people aren't paying attention to that are gonna come up
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and going to be a topic of conversation soon. A
lot of people just said, well, no, no, just bitter
because you guys weren't part of this. And this is
great for the players. It's a long time coming, this
is how it should have been done. And now we've
got yet another coach who has come out and said
this could be a little bit of a problem, and
that coach is none other than Nick Saban, you know,
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the greatest college football coach in the history of the sport,
a guy who's had success for multiple decades now. And
then Nick Saban talked to yesterday in an interview with
the Associated Press us and just said, right now, the
n i L is not a sustainable model, not a
sustainable model. He talked about issues maybe within his own
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locker room and within his own team and just how
this is going to affect recruiting. So Nick Saban, in
talking with you know, the Associated Press yesterday and talking
with Ralph Russo of the AP Uh, he has there
at his displeasure thus far with n i OL. So congratulations,
you guys called it. Well. Let me start off by
by saying that there's a number of issues that I
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think teams will and are going to face, and it
all is like kind of lumped together right now. You know,
there's the transfer portal, So you've got players who have
demonstrated at one university their ability to play, and then
they are literally going around looking for for bids for
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their services elsewhere. So let's just start with the players
who are in college like that is now happening. You
have a free agency of college football right now. And
I'm not saying that you know, these kids don't deserve
the ability to earn off their n i L. But
there needs to be more structure. There needs to be
more of a governing body to put in some some
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different rules or regulations to govern a portion of it.
And this is why nationwide it's not all the same.
If you're a kid in southern California and you're in
high school, you could profit off your name, mge and likeness.
If you were Quinn yours last year, who was one
of the top players in in high school football, he
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couldn't and he was in the state of Texas. So
what did he do. He left school a year early, reclassified,
meaning he jumped ahead of year, went to Ohio State
before they had any plans whatsoever of him being there
or even maybe playing for them. He wasn't ready, and
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he did it solely so he could work with a
company that was based in Texas to then pay him
for a year. Why he's at Ohio State quote unquote
red shirting and then only to see him go back
to Texas because he could make money in college, right,
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but he couldn't do it at Texas in high school.
And so you can say, well, may he legitimately wanted
to go to Ohio State. I don't know did he.
I mean, it seemed like you more just wanted to
profit off that deal. And then he ends up transferring
back out because there's no harm, no foul, and now
is at the University of Texas and you know, continuing
to build off that n I L deal. So you've
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got issues with the transfer portal and how players are
are leveraging themselves and so forth. And then I kind
of just mentioned the high school aspect of it. Not
every state's the same. So there's some states that you're
gonna be able to pay those players while they're in
high school. And you're saying, well, isn't that inducement. It is,
but this is the workaround. You look at the young
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kids in southern California who committed to Tennessee, the workarounds,
the language they put within that deal where they specifically
stay this is not an inducement for this player to
go to Tennessee. So they stayed in the contract. It's
not inducement. But what is it like if he's gonna
get paid eight million bucks to million a year for
four years to go to the University of Tennessee or
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if he goes there as a student athlete, but it's
not inducement, then what is it. If it looks like
a duck, if it walks like a duck, sounds like
a duck, probably a duck. It's a goose. And that's
what this is. It's like golden goose. Well, yeah, for him,
But that's the truth of this, right, Like you're getting
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it at every single level. Now, what's infiltrating the high
school level and now you're seeing kids have agents and
handlers in football at the high school level. And that's
a problem because it's not the player, Like the original
intentive n I L is so that the player can
profit off his name, image and likeness. But you know
what's happening. You get all these bad actors flooding into
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represent these kids, and what do they want. They want
a piece of it, They want a piece of that,
and they would have represented and they want to you know,
go around and back back channeling bidding. And you know
what the worst part about that is now the kids
making the decision about where he's gonna go based on
the advice of someone who they may or may not
be overly that close with or someone who may not
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be smart enough or equipped enough to handle that decision
and what it entails. And then you've got this player
now who's going to a school for the wrong reasons,
and so he goes in for a short term paid
in instead of going somewhere where he goes and maybe
plays and develops into a superstar in the NFL or
even beyond that, just gets a degree. Now you're popping
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around different spots. You have no degree that's gonna do
anything for you when the game of football ends and
you have to get a job. And I know sounds crazy,
but look at the stats, folks, like, not all these
kids are going to the NFL. Not all of them
are gonna last that long in the NFL. I mean,
we talked about Baker Mayfield the first segment. He was
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the number one overall pick. I mean, I don't did
you guys not think he'd at least get a second
contract with Cleveland, especially after his rookie year, especially after
his third year. And now we're after his fourth year
and he gone, he's somewhere else. Yeah. I just I
have a real problem with this right now because I
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agree with a lot of the sentiments of Nick Saban
and that a lot of people are gonna be like, oh,
he's just butt hurt because you know, he didn't have
the number one recruiting class. It was Tech SANM and
they're in the SEC West. They played each other and
Jimbo got went up for him. No, dude, has nothing
to do with that. Alabama will still probably mopped the
floor with Texas A and M next year. That's just
the reality of it. You know, I know this year
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didn't end up working out that way, but just wait
and see. Like they're gonna come back with a vengeance.
It's not about that. It's about that what's best for
these young men. And I think people are starting to
realize maybe what's happening right now this isn't what's best
for them, it's I mean, and that's the slippery slope
to even say, well, he's but hurt because he lost
to Texas A and M, because you got to take
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into consideration that what he's saying there's validity too. If
this ends up being purchasing players, right, If if that's
what this turns into, then Alabama will be right up
there with the best of them being able to purchase players.
Oh if they want, they want, they'll turn that fast
and it will never run out. So don't don't get
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it confused as if like something gave somebody a more
competitive edge than what Nick Saban and Alabama has. That's
not the point. You know. Another thing to think about
here is is that, you know, you covered a lot
of it, but what about the parents, you know, what
about the family members? You know, we're talking about the
the agents and representation that are gonna come in and
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and start really warping the realities of these high school athletes.
It'll it'll probably go as deep as they will start
dealing with youth athlete, youth level athletes in football. Now
for n I L and and the idea of it
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is is is, as you mentioned, Brady, people are trying
to find their golden goose. If it looks like a
duck quacks like a duck, it's somebody's golden goose. They're
trying to find someone that they can make a sustainable
for an amount of time. Probably they're thinking, probably for
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a really long time, make money off of. So now
what's happening is if if this isn't regulated right, if
it isn't put into the right framework as it applies
to the portal, as it applies to the n I
L did ills, then now these young men become price tags,
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they start to become they start to become commodities that
are dehumanized because people are going to be trying to
get to them and do things and and and manipulate
situations on on the I guess the premise of being
able to cash in on them if they turn out
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to be of a our five level kid. And so
now it's not really about genuinely developing these kids to
develop them to be able to be good, good people.
You know, this is really about can I get them
into a a school where they can go there. And
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it's all about their nutrition and all about their exercise
and working out and training and skill work and and
film work and this, that and the other, because I
need to get them as good as they can get
so that I can make them a four or five
star recruit. And it's become a craze and they're trying
to become that because they are they are in search
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of what it is that people aren't influencing them to do.
You gotta keep in mind, these are young kids. These
are young guys, teenagers, and they are being led down
the path of whatever that that that influence you figure
in their life is going to be. So that quarterback
in California or anywhere else, it doesn't matter if the
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n I L Is active where they're at, they can
still be taken care of in a way where once
they're eligible, once they get to college, they're already lined up, right,
Which is is that not the definition of inducement? That is?
And then and that's the whole problem with this is
like even with with with nico UM, the quarterback who
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committed to Tennessee and is in southern California. He got
two and fifty k up front because he's filming a
document series and where they follow him and all that stuff,
and so he gets that money up front, and he's
able to do that because it's in the state, you know,
southern California. I mean, that's part of the issue is nationally,
it's not even a level of playing field for these kids.
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And you've got some states like Oklahoma. Initially they came
out and their state had a specific ruling that was like, well,
we're gonna rely one whatever the n c A does
or is something along those lines. And then they realized like, oh,
that was too restrictive. Now they're sending the original bill
of what was passed, like they're changing state law because
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they're like, well, we can't compete in recruiting. And if
you're Oklahoma and you can't compete when you've got to
go to the SEC here in a year, that's a problem.
You know. You know. One more real quick one more
thing to add to the conversation is n I L
deals that are being done through n I O. Uh,
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you know, nonprofit bodies where the schools no affiliation to
the school, but are collectives that are helping the school.
If you are if you were to leave the school
and you had an n I L deal come to you,
the n I L deal is null and void. You
don't get to take that deal to the next school
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if you go into the portal. So keep that in
mind because that plays a very very critical piece in
terms of you know, okay, well wouldn't you say that
that has everything to do with them being at that
school exactly? Like like follow the math of it. We'll
fall the money right, once the money is turned off,
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and once he's going for that money, it's it's the
whole justification and reason for why he is there. So
that's where the word inducement starts to come out. And
I think that's the tough part is there's all these
schools who see this window of opportunity to compete with Alabama,
and so you see Texas and m spending a ton
of money on this, you see other schools who have
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been doing it. It's and I think some of the
critics will say, well, this has been happening all along.
It's just it's now over the table. It was under
the table before downs over the table. The problem is
there weren't as many bad actors or characters around these
kids at a young age there are now. Like if
if you were have ever questioned an agent's prerogative because
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those guys are in it to take a percentage of
those kids earnings. That's what's happening right now, and it's
happening at a younger age when these guys are still
deemed to be amateurs. So that's the problem is we've
we've allowed n I L to open up this huge
landscape for adults and agents and bad actors. And I'm
not saying all agents are bad people and all that,
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but they're incentivized to earn a percentage of those players earnings,
and so it all of a sudden becomes about money
and doesn't become about their development as a player, as
a person or any of that. And you might not
care about that, but that's the reality of this is
money is not going to solve all your issues, and
especially not the money that these kids are earning at
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this point, at that young of an age. I mean, Jonas,
I don't mean to bring this up, but how many
childhood actors have you seen that have made al some
of money early on and have blown it. Probably childhood
actress who are making more of these n I L deals,
Oh listen and have problems later on. And that's why
I've wondered this whole, Like when you guys have been
talking about this, how many careers are going to be
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ruined because of this? Like just like, I just wonder
how many think about like the portal in general. I'm
not saying like in the case of you know, J. T. Daniels,
he's chasing money, but what was he a five star
recruit when he came out of Modern Day He left USC,
did work, goes to Georgia, didn't work. Now he's a
I mean, I beat out by a former walk on
who's now the starting quarterback and now he's in West Virginia.
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It's like the portal in general has has hurt these
kids in the sense that they have to keep jumping
spot to spot to spot because they just want to play.
It's like, dude, maybe it's not the place you're at.
Maybe it's you. Maybe you're the problem. How many times
did brew McCoy transfer, Like, was it three? It didn't
Brew McCoy transfer from Texas well? It was like he
was like a ping pong ball. At one point it
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was like Texas, Texas. Yeah, oh my god. And the
kid out of Bishop Gorman do that too. I don't listen.
There's been a lot. I can't kill quarterback. The quarterback
that was now he's officially retired and he never even
made it to the pros, Like, but he retired. It's
just yeah, it's it feels like every day there's somebody
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that's the portal and uh, yeah it's it's it's portal
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co host of the Petros and Money Show on the
Blowtorch AM five seventy l A. Sports Fox college football
analysts make some noise for the old p Yeah yeah, morning,
(30:48):
good morning everybody. Yeah yeah. I was on a vacation,
a brief vacation and spring break for my kids. So
we went to the desert and I got the hell
out of there. I was planning on leaving anyway, but
I got the hell out of there pretty quick because
Coachella is headed there. Well it is Coachella, but the
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Coachella Valley, but Coachella the music festival which coming. Yeah,
and I just you just felt this sense of impending
throughout the valley better than stagecoach, though, I'd have to say.
I mean, like, if I had to choose between, like
I'm more of a guy, like festival culture has become
(31:34):
a really big thing, like that's where people go to
consume music. And I think it's great because it gives
an opportunity for a lot of different musicians to play
in in a day at a festival and exposes a
lot of people to music they might otherwise not here,
But I'm more of just like go see the band,
(31:54):
have a drink, go home. But it really is a
thing like that's what everybody's into these days. Yeah, bidding
that that Literally, I don't know who's gonna mosh pit
two at the weekend, but yeah, find ways I've seen
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him in concert that's not really a mosh pit type environment.
Um stage, You're another day. What do you remember about O. P. P.
Back in the day when by Naughty by Nature? Was that?
Like when I was fourteen years old, I was in
football camp with the freshman football team at Peninsula High School.
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Everybody was asking each other if they were down with
which was pretty funny because you know the majority of
everybody if not, you know, all of us were virgins
and around uh, but it was it was. It was
inappropriate though, because you know we were young. It was inappropriate.
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But you know, it's it's hard in football camp. You know,
everybody gets the even at the pro level, I think
everybody gets that piece of tape on their helmet and
that has your name on it, so the coaches know
who you are, and it's it's humiliating in a way.
But you know they put a piece of tape right
on the top front of your helmet and they write
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your last name. And there was a guy named Paul Woodcock. Yeah,
did not last the first week. Why because when I
send it right there on his head he was down
with well, we were all singing it together. But I
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do remember that. I remember the best song by Naughty
by Nature that came out. It was on the Juice soundtrack.
It was called then that was a good one, but
you be on it. Bro J had an album yes,
no kidding, how about that No No Juice with Tupac
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where that guy goes you Got the Juice. The Juice
now does have a song though, Yeahtown Anthem. O J
had a show called You Got Juiced where after he
was I guess it was a Florida thing before you
should know Brady, before he went to uh, before he
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went to jail for the Vegas stuff, he had like
a weird reality show, uh in the in the primordial
ooze of that kind of show called you Got Juice.
You can look it up. It's a It was a thing.
But yes, I do remember the Uptown Anthem. It was
a great song. Naughty by nature. It's an interesting group
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because they always had that other guy that nobody really
thought about, you know, the same as the guy in
Cypress Hill that you know goes remember you know that,
it's like who is that guy? You know, what does
he do? Uh? And they had that extra guy, you know,
one did the beat, you had KG did the beats,
and then you have been rock. Yeah, they're usually three guys.
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And I missed that about rap groups to where you
just had like a dude who never smiled, who just
stood behind DJ table like he would come out with
the rapper and it's like, that's our guy, that's our
DJ terminator X there he is. It's like, okay, he's
not really doing anything. That's the only one that was
really doing something was DJ Premier from Gang Star. He
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was the jazz jeff Man. Please, no, no jazzy Jeff
No jazz Man. No one gets any love from the
Fresh Prayer, not even Tatiana Ali, nobody, Petro's you got
a Dodger home opener? You got me. You guys gotta
go out there today and be on the field today,
(35:55):
all right, So walk us through what it's like my
booster card. Yeah, on location at a Dodger game with
the Petros and Money show. What's that like? I mean,
are you pisting off players or what? No? No, you know,
I I don't want to say. I don't want to
be presumptuous, but I pride myself and Brady can answer
(36:16):
for this because Brady is in the literally in the
cool kids group. Well, I mean he is. He's a
studio show. So you know they have well you shouldn't be.
I mean, it's just the position they have catering, they
have a big, beautiful room, you know, all kinds of stuff.
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I mean, it's a nice plus job. And whenever I
come to work to do a game, because I work
in the studio these days, mostly everybody goes you should
go over there and say hi, you know, why don't
you go there? And you know, because they want to
come with me, right so they can eat the food
and rub elbows with all the swells, And I'm like, no,
if somebody wants to see me, they can come over here.
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And I don't wear people out by showing my giant
face over and over again. That way, on the off
chance that I do see anybody or am around anybody,
they're generally happy to see me because they don't see
me that much. And that is how I do it.
At the Dodger game, the Dodger, the Dodger players and
baseball players in general are miserable most of the time.
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They hate each other. It's a grind. They're they're all day.
When they're not they're they're on a plane together. When
they're not on a plane together, they're on a bus together.
When they're not on a bus together, they're in a
hotel together. So they are piste and they hate the media.
There's always a like a slow sand paper grind in baseball,
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and that's a real thing because it's a daily kind
of ritual and people get sick of each other. So
I tried my best, even though I'm credentialed to never
go anywhere that I am not doing my job. Like
other radio guys, just douche bags, mostly working at ESPN.
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They always like they go to like they show up
at the clubhouse for like a celebration or something, but
they're not interviewing anybody. They have no purpose. They're they're
just there because they're front runner p gra You gotta
have picks for the Instagram that kind of thing, you know.
So whenever. I have field access all the time, but
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I only use it on opening day when we have
to go do the show down there. So that being said,
because of that, people are generally much less piste off
as far as players go, that we're there because they
kind of want to come on and have a good time,
and you know, it's fun to people kind of float around.
Brad Paisley, you know, we'll be down there because some
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kind of country West Virginia Dodger fan, and there'll be
it'll be, there'll be a lot. There'll be a big
group of the collected media down there, Bill plash Key,
all the weird writers. Mostly what everybody does these days
when it comes to Dodgers is follow around David Vasse
because he's the guy that has all the relationships and information.
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So you find all the TV people just following Dave
around and talking to people, which is kind of funny.
I know it's on a Monday, but is it a
Mitchell lot a day you're gonna have one of those
it down on the field, right like when they I
don't think, yeah, I think that's frowned upon. Yeah, it's
one thing to be down in the dugout, like screaming.
You know, well, welcome back. It's p ands on a
(39:42):
five seventy. You know, it's one thing to be down
there doing that, it's a whole other thing to be like.
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Please drink responsively. What about a flood, pops? Well, I
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don't think smoking weed down there, although you know, it
looks like you look at the face a lot of
these players and they got the just just looks like
a lot of them are high. But I mean, gumpies
are probably the new Greenies, right. I hit two I
hit two home runs on the Sativa yesterday. But but no,
(40:23):
no Lavan, I will I will be uh you know
I when I do sporting events, Uh, I just show
up and then I leave. I will leave long before
first pit. Come on, what do you do? I remember
when I first when I got when I first got
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into the media and I had a Dodger credential. I
remember driving to the Dodger games, and almost every time
that I was entering the game, Steve Lyons who was
the pregame host, was almost like would run me over leaving,
like you know in like a Ferrari or psycho Steve Lions.
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And I always I remember that being a young broadcaster
and being like, why is he gonna leave? I mean,
what about the game? And now now I'm not much worse. Oh, Petros,
I need to ask you about just the Lakers in
the fallout, Vogel getting fired, Lebron's reaction to pretty much
everything over the course of the past few days, making
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fun and laughing at the Timberwolves for their celebration for
winning a playing game. I just I feel like you're
the best person to do that. Oh he did, Yeah
he did. I've been in the desert. My gosh, it's
not It's not fun. How on a vacation with kids,
is it? No, it's not. It's a journey, is what
it is. And all they do is wear you out
(41:47):
and they want new stuff, and then you feet a
vacation from that vacation. Right, my son has pissed because
he didn't get an Apple Watch. It's like, why, why
who said we were going to get an Apple watch
in the desert? Is the desert the place? And they
grow like off a cat die like what anyway? Uh
Lebron the Lakers. Uh yeah, it's an unmitigated disaster. The
(42:11):
Lakers have hookered themselves out and and corporately taken over
by Clutch Sports. And he has a lot of very
interesting reactions in a time where he should probably just
be laying low. But I guess the most interesting thing
that I took away from it, with the firing and
(42:32):
all of that, was the timing of Adrian war Janowski's
And I used to really like Adrian. We I still
like Adrian. I mean we used to have one the
show once a week, long before you know what, anybody
knew what a WOS bomb was or anything like that.
And uh, I mean we used even used to text.
I don't have a texting relationship with a lot of people.
(42:54):
Uh So I I thought it was really interesting the
timing of it, And then I thought, well, you know what,
the timing was probably Vogel's agent trying to make the
Lakers look bad, right because he was the one that knew.
Because everybody knows the Lakers are a dumpster fire in
the front office, and they needed to make Vogel look
(43:17):
sympathetic in the moment, so I thought, you know, that's
how I usually think of those things like double triple
quadruple espionage. Who does that story help with the timing
of the leak? And why? Because I didn't think Adrian
would that be that heartless of a guy to Jack
del Rio, Right. I just didn't think he would do
(43:40):
that unless it was something that served the guy himself
through his agent. Yeah, but when you were talking to Woads,
he was that was yahoo woag. Yeah, this is like Vader.
He's more machine than man now twisted and evil. Uh pop,
(44:02):
let me let me. Do you think do you think
that he made that decision to or do you think
if he was the one, if Vogel was the one
that was behind this. The way that has explained it, right,
is that is that because he's next if he doesn't,
if he doesn't comply with what Klutch wants, well I
think he was getting fired either way. It was just
(44:23):
the time. Excuse me, not not Vogel. I'm talking about
the GM. I'm sorry, I'm what's his name, Polenka, Polenka.
I don't even know what he does. I mean, he's
he walks around looking like Rob Low. Yeah, like but yeah,
he's a he's a weirdo. I mean he came on
(44:44):
our show once. I mean I have we haven't taken
a call since n on our radio show. I mean,
we just don't know, we don't do that, you know.
I mean, and uh, I mean people interact. Everybody can
text me and all that, but I mean I get
text when I come on your show. But but it is, uh,
it is really interesting because Polinka came on our show
(45:06):
once and he was like, I really appreciate all your
listeners and and all their suggestions and the calls that
you guys take, and just you know, we're really he
sounds no, he sounds like this like a dime store philosopher.
I mean he really is like Manna from heaven. Let's
tell let me tell you the story of a Bob
(45:27):
Cap that becomes a lion. And it was like, shut up,
you know, it's like just you know, take your money
and take your criticism. As a shadow g M. Like
there's so many shadows around the Laker organization. You think
it's like kf I Coast to coast shadow Like you
got Linda Rambis, he got Kurt Rambus, you got Magic,
(45:48):
you got Phil Jackson, you got Polinka, you got all
these weird Vanessa Bryant. I mean, there is so many
voices in the within the Acres organization, and it really
makes you wonder, Uh talking about the Dodgers today and
Chavez Ravine and all that stuff. I mean, that was
(46:08):
a family owned business, and that family moved the Dodgers
to l A and it was a big thing. And
the O'Malley family had a certain kind of standard and
the way the players were and Dodger Blue and Tommy
La sorta. And now the Dodgers are owned by like
a hedge fund, right or a big financial group, Googgenheim Group,
(46:29):
and they do a really great job keeping the team competitive.
They have the most visited sport on Earth. And then
you go look at the Lakers, who are still I mean,
the TV show is on kind of it's really good
telling the story of the past and in a cartoonish
type of way, but it is the story. Yeah, it's
the story of the past, and uh, you have that
(46:53):
happening and it reminds you, like you probably just can't
run one of the biggest franchises or brands and sports.
You probably can't do that with with a family anymore,
or at least a second or third generation of people
that have just do you know, whether it's been Jim
Buss and Chaz his bartender friend I think we talked
(47:17):
about that before, or or Genie and Linda Rambus and
all of these different people that have come through. It
just feels like maybe maybe it's time for a new era.
It's probably not gonna happen ever, but I just don't
see where the dysfunction ends and responsibility begins. And you
(47:38):
go to a Laker game now and it's just all
hookers and agents and free and the lower bowl. It's
like no one's even there to watch, Like at least
there's like go to Clipper games or any other game.
It's like some semblance of what a basketball game is.
Like the Laker games have become like a mutated like freakship.
It's like it's like they put a hardwood floor in
the rainbow room and just put up a couple of
(48:00):
hoops on each other. It's it's like, you know, it's
not odd to have a man and like a giant
white leather peaco and it's like, dude, it's degrees outside.
I know that that outfit is only for the gram,
but come on, get him on Twitter at the old
p he will be at Dodger Stadium. Petros, Papa is
(48:29):
uh you yellow yellow Petros. If you're at a Dodger
game later on and you're listening on, take him on,
yell at him screamed out on the field with the
mad dog is Petros. We appreciate it. Man, have some
fun and then it will do it again next week. Yeah,
there he is. It is too CROs and a cup
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