April 21, 2022 • 43 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington react to the Deebo Samuel drama escalating into a trade request. LaVar details the joy of being back in State College. Tua Tagovailoa took a snipe shot at Brian Flores when complimenting Mike McDaniel, who is setting him up for success in Miami, and MMQB Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer hits on the biggest stories in the week leading up to the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Joe Knocks on
Fox Radio. The drama that is the NFL offseason continues. Um.
This one is is an interesting one because I don't
know that anybody thought that it was going to get
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to this level this quick. We knew that Deebo Samuel
was looking to get paid because he wasn't reporting uh
to to the forty Niners off season program, and we thought,
all right, well, he's just you know, he's looking for
a contract extension. San Francisco has already said that he's
a priority. In fact, San Francisco said, uh, maybe a
month ago or so, that they were putting aside money
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for Deebo Samuel and for Nick Bosa, that those were
two priorities that they wanted to build their franchise around
moving forward. And so we just assumed, hey, you know,
something will get done here, but it's gonna take a
little while and uh and the forty Niners will figure
this out and Deebo Samuel is going to be a
nine moving forward. And then all of a sudden, Jeff Darlington, Yeah,
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not happy at all, and Jeff Jeff Darlington of ESPN
was reporting that Deebo Samuel has asked the forty Niners
for a trade, and the way that some of the
reporting has come out, it seems like this isn't just
a contract thing. Deebo Samuel once out of San Fran.
He he wants to be gone, and he there was
a tweet that he sent out that was later deleted
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in which he said, three people know the truth, myself,
my agent, and the forty Niners. So there is some
sort of resentment or bad blood going on there. But
the stud all purpose wide receiver slash running bash slack
slash do it all for San Fran their most important
weapon last year. Uh does no longer want to be
a part of the San Francisco forty Niner offense. Yeah,
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it's a it's a lot. Sometimes sometimes you break up
to make up. Sometimes you gotta break up to make up.
And that could be what what Deebo Samuel is doing
right now. Um is trying to break up to make
up and and and sometimes you know the problem with that,
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maybe when you when you try to break up a
lot of a lot of times it's met with Ah,
it's it's not good. It's it's not if you feel
as though it's like, was the relationship real? You know,
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why are you doing this? You know, it's not really
about how do we fix it? A lot of times right, Yeah,
the lighting was weird. Yes, Now the question is if
we didn't woke up now and this is the first
time I just saw you without your makeup on, and
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this that and the other, and that's why we're waking up.
I would like to know who is the one without
the makeup? Is it Debo or is it the niners?
You know? And that's I think that that's what's going
on right now. You you've had you you've had the
opportunity to get to know one another. Obviously, one is
valuing you know, themselves at this while the other is
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valuing that person at at another another level of value.
If Debo is basing what he wants, if if what
was being offered is now obsolete because of what has
been offered and and paid out to other receivers, Deebo
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Samuel is in pole position along with a j out
of out of Tennessee to to have that feeling because
everybody is looking for that game changer, and and some
would say, even though regardless he hasn't done it as
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long as some of these other other other players that
have gotten paid. Some would say Deebo Samuel is the
closest thing to to rekill and what his capabilities are
and his impact on a game from anywhere on the field.
And there's a lot of Percy Harvin comps as well.
A guy that can literally do everything for that team.
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And in fact, we were talking about it during the
season when everybody was put putting up the m v
P odds and it was kind of a back and
forth between Brady and Rogers and Jonathan Taylor got a
sniff at it. For a couple of weeks, Deebo Samuel
was in the discussion for m v P awards. Like
the team, I agree, I usually in the truest sense
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of the word, when you say m v P, that
is the most valued player, most valuable to the team.
We never get that right. Just so we're clear on
that it's it's probably it's probably overstated that you're going
to choose a quarterback as the as the MVP of
the league, and that that's fine. It's just like how
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you never get it really right with the Heisman because
it's always going to be generally a quarterback that wins
the Heisman, So it's not the m v P all
the time. In general, it's probably not. It's probably gonna
be alignment. It's probably gonna be a guy on the
defense that does multiple things for you on the defense
that he can play safety, he can play corner, he
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can do coverage, he can play the run. That sounds
like the most valuable person that you have on your team.
I mean, Aaron Donald should have been at some point
the m v P of the National Football League. That's
a travesty. At some point. J J. Watt should have
been the m v P of the National Football League.
That's a travesty. At some point. Oh yeah, they did
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give it the Ray. Ray did get it. Um. You know,
sometimes you just don't see the most valuable guys get
the award. And the reason why I pank this picture
is because if there was one guy that was most
valuable and vital to the success of their team last
year that was noticeable, it was Deebo Samuel And now
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he wants his he wants his dip with his chips
and he uh and going to the point on the
m v P Award the last non quarterback to when
the m v P was Adrian Peterson and O twelve
and that was you know, Adrian Peterson coming off that
knee injury and he bade he carried the Minnesota Vikings
um as far as getting them to the postseason and
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just the the season he put up was one of
the most incredible we've ever seen. Almost broke the single
season rushing record all of that. I mean, Deebo Samuel
had a monster year for this team. He had over
fourteen hundred yards receiving. Uh, he had you know, the
three six five on the ground like he was. He
was there all purpose, do everything back and it doesn't.
One of the things, and one of the theories that's
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been thrown out there is that he was frustrated with
his usage, that he's being used too much and he
doesn't want to wear down as his career moves forward.
And it's like, okay, but I feel like that's something
that he and the forty niners could still work through
and they could come to some sort of a compromise
and say, all right, listen, it's part of a contract negotiation.
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We understand how you feel about this. We'll make some concessions.
We can we can direct our offense in another direction.
Kyle Shanahan's more than capable of it. It feels like
there's something more there. Something was either said in the
initial contract offer or the initial negotiation that he can't
let go. And we've seen, you know, a guys negotiate
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contracts before, and there's some bad blood and they're upset
about it, but ultimately they get a deal done. This
feels like it's gone in the complete opposite direction. And
I'm just wondering why the hostility, what was said. Let
me give you an idea of what that that looks
like a right now, I know, for sir, your best
friends and best but with with Scott Shapiro, that shouts
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out to Scott, he listens to he's a colleague guy,
he's a mentor and radio and now we keep it
strictly business um mentor yeah, just you know, just a
guy who is a really guy to me. But I
mean there's you know, I mean, I mean best friends.
I feel like it's a strong term. I mean, we
we simply it's it's a professional relationship between everybody out there.
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If you're reading between the lines and that that was
Jonas kissing up and basically saying that Scott's my daddy.
Um anyway, So don't worry, I say, Don's not anyway.
So so here's what I'm saying. If we found out
that that somebody to the same capacity in a morning
slot of of another station, another channel got paid a
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blockbuster deal in the same category, sports category, Morning Am
drived out of that? Is that another and we heard
about it? You know the first thing that we would
come into the studio and do what's that? Come into
the studio Jonas lefar Hey did you did you? Yeah, yeah,
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I've seen it. I definitely And you know what Brady
would do, He'd bring it on the air, and you
know what happens next. Now the conversation becomes, this is
the market. The market has been set. We do a
dope ass morning show. We're consistent, we continue to improve,
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our audience continues to grow, our ratings continue to grow,
Our our subscribers are, our our impressions everything, so, um,
so what you're gonna do? Like what you're gonna do?
And if they come back to us and they say, oh,
we won't come in anywhere near close to that, regardless
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of if we decide to stay or you know what
the feeling is on the inside, you're under appreciated. And
we all have been there there, everybody who's sitting there
listening to us. If you have put your best foot
forward in your job, there has been a point in
time where you felt, based off of your compensation, that
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you were under appreciated and you were undervalued. And I'm
gonna tell you right now, you as an employee feeling
undervalued and underappreciate it is very different than you being
an employee that feels valued and appreciate it. And right
now Deebo Samuel feels underappreciated. And it one has to
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do with their offer doesn't probably really compare. It peals
in comparison to the Samuel and the extension forward for
digs and and for the Adams deal. It just it's
probably just not anywhere in the ballpark. And he doesn't
like it. See, but I think I'm just gonna guess here.
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I'm just gonna throw this out as to what I
think happened. If there's a negotiation, obviously each side is
going to give you a low offer trying to get
a better deal, and then you come to some sort
of a compromise and you meet in the middle, right,
Like the Raiders and Davante Adams deal probably wasn't that
when they initially started talking. There were some concessions made.
They wanted more, they say, with Tyreek Hill and the Dolphins,
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that's just contract negotiations. It's it's oh, bi oh, you
put something on Craigslist, you're gonna price it high, but
you know you're probably gonna settle for a certain amount.
Like that's just negotiations. Everybody does at garage sales, you
name it. I think somewhere along the lines of communication
early on the Niners made it either straight up said
this to Deebo Samuel and his representatives or alluded to
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the fact that, well, listen, you're only this valuable in
our offense. You're not this valuable anywhere else. And I
think Deebo Samuel got pissy about it, and I think
I think he took an offense to it. Is probably thinking,
you know what, you don't think I can be a
receiver like some of these other guys strictly a receiver.
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Trade me somewhere and I'll prove you wrong. That's that's
just a guess and just what's crazy about that assumption.
It may have came in the form of, now go
back to the analogy of you break up the makeup.
It may have came in the form of you broke up,
but but but the person that you broke up with
was like, listen, I did okay with you. But there's
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the chance that with what I what I got, I
could do better than you. I can do better than you.
So at the end of the day, either you can
stick it out with me and we can be together
and we can make this thing work until we don't,
or you could go somewhere else. But just no, they
only want you because I made you hot. Like there
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are a lot of people out here that that's how
they roll. Like they're looking at you like, oh yeah,
you look good, you look real good. Everybody wants you
this that let me take away what what what I
brought to the table. Oh you was able to get
your hair done every week. Oh you got your nails
done every week. Oh you got other stuff done that
don't nobody God knows who what it is that you did.
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Oh you don't have that no more. Let's see how
you look. Now. Look, now, you ain't got a job.
Let's see what it looks like now, and that might
be very well. How they're approaching the Deebo Samuel situation.
Be interesting to see how it plays out. Not because
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once you put it out there the way that that
debos put it out there, now, things either you know,
disintegrate very quickly or you you you'll see that there
be a quick swift reaction to trying to make good,
make it right. So it'll be interesting to see. Be
sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas
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Knocks week days at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app So. UM,
the situation uh in Miami, and we talked about the
Deebo Samuel situation with the Niners. Will have more on that,
you know, the speculation going around where he may get
traded and all of that throughout the course of the show.
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But one of the wide receivers who did set the market,
if you will, in the NFL was Tyree Hill, who
was now re member the Miami Dolphins. And um, you know,
they there's been a lot of changes. They've got a
brand new head coach and Mike McDaniel. Uh, they've got
you know, the Brian Flores saga that did not end
all that well. But they look like a team who's
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added some pieces, feel pretty confident about where they're headed,
and it feels like they've got a clear direction as
they move forward and then um to a tug of
Iloa talked with the media yesterday about some of the
pressure and with if there's more pressure being felt there
in South Beach and also what it's like playing and
and being coached by one Mike McDaniel. Well, I think
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pressure is going to be there every time. Um. You know,
I don't feel more pressured that we have acquired all
these guys, um, but it's more of an opportunity that
I get that we all get as as a team
to show what we can do this year. Thing about
being um, you know on this team under Mike is
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Mike doesn't force you to be what you're not or
what you don't want to be. If you know that
this is how you lead, That's all he wants you
to do is lead the way you lead. He doesn't
want anyone to, you know, put that guy to the side.
You know, tell him how bad his route was and whatnot,
and you know, come back to the huddle. It's more like, hey,
you know, go talk to the guy, you know, tell
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him what your thoughts are. He'll tell you what your
thoughts are. You guys meeting the meet in the middle,
and you know that's that's what that is. God, he
just seems so relaxed. Now there's something missing, something's different
about Miami this year. He was relaxed, but he was
on point with his sniperism. That took but he was
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sniping right there. Who do you think he was getting after?
Come on, man, come on, come on. That was a
sniper shop and he killed He killed it with kindness.
Shout out to Brian Flores. So basically, he's saying that
they they're allowed to be who who they're. There's, you know,
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being allowed to be who you are in a team
setting and a team environment is one of the most
interesting aspects of sport because you it's it's when you
say staunchly different mentalities and philosophies. Some people truly believe
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that if you don't do it exactly the way they
want you to do it emotionally, mentally, and physically, schematically,
it ain't gonna work. They are trying the macro and
micro manage every shingle detail of what each player is
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bringing to the table. You know, I'm sitting here and
and and you know, I'm not lash building. And one
thing that I've always admired and liked about coach Franklin
Harris in a culture where that that was Joe like
Joe was not with you. Like you had to shave
your face. You have a mustache, but it had to
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be you know, groomed your hair, It had to be
cut a certain way, you had to to act a
certain way. You are It was to you, hey, hey, hey, hey,
gets out of your getting out of your ass. There's
too much face you're here on his face. You got
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a little Mike Tyson do him? Well? They're both from
New York. Yeah. So anyway, and and and here's the thing, right,
I get the core principles and the values of being
a gentleman being, you know, being groomed a certain way
and handling things a certain way. Very very old school,
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is very very military. Um. I grew up in a
military home, so that's very much how I was raised.
And and you know what, as I got older, I
became more of a I don't want to say a renegade,
but I would just I just enjoy letting myself, you know,
express myself. You know, I got I got longer. Here
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when I got into high school my sophomore junior year,
you know, I had you know, I had braids and
stuff like that. I was I was exploring who I am,
figuring out who I am. I almost feel like if
you run into a situation where someone doesn't allow you
to organically figure out who you are and how it
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makes sense, it can actually take away Because you guys
don't like when I use the word, but it's it
is a term um. It actually slows the growth and
the development of what you could truly be because you're
not growing in the confidence and the belief that what
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you're doing is going to eventually work and it's going
to be what it's supposed to be, because the person
that's in charge, that's making the decisions, is not giving
you the ability to be able to get out of
your cocoon and and spread your wings and become the
butterfly that you're supposed to be. And I think that
that's what two was saying. You know, and that's interesting.
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It's just you just go back to like, I don't
know what player would feel confidence after what Brian Flores
pulled the first year, like it just look when when
you're on the road and like you want to go
through I've always been uh, put me in a situation.
I learned more from failing than I than I learned
reading a manual, like telling me, okay, this is what
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you do, this is what you don't do. No, throw
me in there, and then it's sink or swim, Like
I've always learned better that way. Well, there were a
couple of sink or swim moments for to a Tongue
of Iloa his rookie season, and one of them was
on the road at Denver and they're trailing in that game,
and instead of Brian Flores letting him go through it
and figure it out, he just pulled him. And it's
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like wait what And then he thought, okay, well maybe
it's a different approach, a unique approach. He just wanted
to show him, Hey, you know, anybody can be mentioned anytime.
He did it again in Las Vegas when they were
playing the Raiders. They tried to blame it on injury,
but he did do it again. Yeah, it's and and
so I remember thinking at the time, how the hell
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is he supposed to feel any sort of confidence, especially
a guy like him coming off the injury that he
had at Alabama, which I think we, like a lot
of people look past now that was a significant injury
and the hip popping out like that, and then he
had you know, the more table ankle surgeries. So he's
trying to come back. He's trying to get back to
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and learn how to play quarterback in the NFL, and
he's having you know, some success early, but then he
runs into a little bit of an issue on the road.
It's like, all right, but this is where you want
this to happen. If he's your franchise quarterback, you'd rather
get this stuff out of the way early, so you
know what you got. And he didn't even get a chance.
And so I think he's gonna play say all the
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right things because he's a really good kid and everything
I've heard about him from from our our friends in
Hawaii who always glow about him. St. Louis High School,
which has been a football factory, a ton of all
pros and Pro Bowlers that have come out of there.
All you hear about him is what a great dude, like,
great kid. Yeah, all the wami. It's very very humble people,
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god fearing people, very very strong religious belief, faith and
stuff like that, just very very humble, great reputation through
and through. And he's never gonna out and and take
a shot directly at Brian Flores being that was a
shot agreed, And I think that's it. That's him saying, man,
I am so relieved I actually have somebody that's gonna
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give me an opportunity if it doesn't work. And this
is his one year under Mike McDaniel, they find out
it didn't work. At least I feel like he's going
to get a fair chance. And I don't think you
ever got that with Flora's I really don't. Yeah, I
don't disagree with that, and he made that very clear
in this statement, and I think he's basically saying, like,
I want to feel the pressure, of course, but at
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least I can be me. I can you know. Listen,
if somebody was dictating to you how you run this show,
it's not going to be the same type of show.
It's just not. If it's Brady if it's me, if
it's if it's if it's one of the you know,
higher ups, if they're telling you to do something as
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it applies, and their macro and macro and micro, you know,
just just managing every single detail, how you get into
the breaks, how you get out of the brakes, how
you tease what's coming, how you data whatever it is.
If they're dictating it to you in a way where
it's not authentically Jonas knocks, the show will will suffer.
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You know. One of the reasons why our show does
the way that it does is because we are organically
allowed to be who we are. Now imagine you get
the best of us. We're up. I didn't even sleep
lest yesterday. Like I didn't even sleep yesterday. Like I
flew in here. Our flight was delayed. I didn't get
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in here until one a m. I get into my room.
You know, It's like I just couldn't. I was so
keyed up from from the delay and and all the stimulation.
By the time I was able to like kind of
settle in, my alarm was going off. And you know what,
because I love doing what I do, because I'm able
to be who I am him, I get my ass up.
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I get my ass up, and I get in here
and I do what I need to do, just like
you do when when when you do what you need
to do, and we feel the confidence of, no matter
what the circumstances are, we are going to throw down
when we crack these microphones. If I don't have that confidence,
if you don't have that confidence, you know what I
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say after that, Uh, Scott, I need off today, but
I'm not gonna not gonna make it. I'm tired, I
gotta get some sleep. I ain't gonna make it. I
ain't gonna make it, you know. But and that's how
that's how it seems like the environment was um unfortunately,
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you know, in terms of because I wanted it to
work obvious for obvious reasons. But it just didn't seem
like Flores was making that type of environment now. And
and also the I remember having a conversation of my
first bosses in radio. He told me and I was
doing a morning show this time slot, but on the
East coast, so it wasn't it wasn't waking up at
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midnight like we do now to do this show because
we're on the we're on the West coast. But it
was waking up but you know, to thirty three in
the morning, and I remember asking him like, hey, do
you know, do you guys have like a certain you
know way you you want things handle like, you know,
And I figured he was gonna say, no, there's no
of course there's no dress code, but you know, I
want to be courteous and not you know, disrespect what
they already had built there and just you know, any
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dress code or I was like, oh, you know, you're
probably good, uh, you know, a polo shirt, some slacks,
business casual, you know, just kind of relaxed. And I'm
thinking to myself, Bro, I'm getting up at three in
the morning, kiss my ass, I'm wearing sweats and and
and I'm not worried about how I look on radio,
like it's just not happening. But to your point that well, yeah,
I mean you always do. But to your point, though,
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if there was a strict guideline, you must be this,
you gotta do it this way, and this is how
it's good. It's like, man, that's just gonna push people
act like you're just going to suffer, and product is
gonna suffer. And I think there was a lot of
that going on in Miami, which is also part of
the conversation with Brian Flores because Mike Fitzpatrick. One of
the stories that people brought up was Mika Fitzpatrick's now
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in Pittsburgh. So is Brian Flores. How's that going to
play out? Because those guys butted heads and that's part
of the reason why he got traded as well too. So, um,
it's a very different circumstance. Yeah, in Pittsburgh for for
Flores than what it was, you know, for them in Miami. Yeah,
I hear what you're saying. Man, Man, it gets real
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up and once that real get real and your your
level of importance changes, you don't have that like make
of Fitzpatrick got got a much bigger contract that man believes.
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what's happening? LaVar and Jonas, how are you gardling? Marble?
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Sounds like a be dangerous? It does. It's not something
you want to do, that'd be a that'd be a
choking hazard. I think, right, yeah, yes, yes, yeah, more
than more than the ways that we're saying. Yes, indeed, yes,
so you guys, uh yeah, it seemed that way. It
seemed like Boston got really aggressive, started to d up
(28:26):
Kevin Durant and they just didn't have a lot of
answers for him. Just not a lot of going on there. Yeah,
and Kyrie seems I mean, I don't know what's going
on with that dude, because he would think he'd come
out like a house of fire after everything on Sunday,
and he almost looked like disengaged. You know, I don't know.
It was a weird, weird team. Can I ask you
a question when you when you send something like that
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out that's not NFL related, whether it's you know, the
Bruins in hockey or it's the Celtics and basketball, because
you know those are your teams. I'm assuming do you
get people that give you the stick to football in
your tweets? Do you get that? I get that, Yeah,
and then I get like, and then I get like,
you know, oh, middle aged guy from the suburbs just
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calling somebody else off with just saying you know what
I mean, Like, yeah, but they're calling you out. Yeah.
It's no longer become a basketball issue, is now? You know?
Oh man? All right, so let's let's get into the
big story that came out in the NFL yesterday. Apparently Deebo.
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Samuel is not happy in San Francisco. He wants a
contract now apparently he wants to be traded. How the
hell do we get here? I think role has a
lot to do with it, you know. And I think
there are two pieces of this, a dovetail into one thing. Um.
You know, obviously they started to use them differently second
half last year. Um, there's some degree out of necessity
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and like, and it's just I think it's what made
him so great last Year's how unique that role was. Um.
But you know, like they were using him. I mean,
this wasn't like using him like out of the backfield occasionally,
like they were running like power with him, you know,
like so like he was running inside the tackles and
taking sorts of hits tailbacks to you know. And so
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I think at the end of the season, part of
it was like a role thing. You know. It's like,
do I think that I'm gonna be able to have
a long career playing this way? You know. And then
there's the second piece of it, which is he does
view himself as a receiver, um, despite having the ability
to do all those different things, which again I think
makes him great, makes him unique, like he still does
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view himself as you know, the same way a Stefon
Diggs would view himself, the same way you know, Davante
Adams wild deal himself. U man. You know, if you
look at the numbers last year, the back half the
year when he started playing a tailback more, he was
like sort of the third wheel in the passing game
for them, behind George kittleha and Brandon Nive And so
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I think it's a combination of those things. And I mean,
maybe not a full trust that if the Niners, um, yeah,
maybe maybe it's just not even getting assurances from the
Niners they wouldn't want to do that again with him.
And you know, I think this is for him about again,
Like I'm not going to be one of these guys
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that says it's not about the money, because even though
I've been told it's not about the money, and I've
been told money is not essential to this, I've learned
over the years that it's always about the money to
some degree. But I do think that there's a piece
of this where it's like how he views himself in
the next five or ten years of his career, how
long he wants to play, what sort of player he
wants to be, UM, and I think he's having a
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hard time envisioning those things playing out in San Francisco, Albert.
The the owners meetings just concluded not too long ago,
and you were there. UM. I just wonder and and
looking at how these these affairs are being handled by
the players, and how much social media has become a
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thing connected to everything that's going on UM with players
these days. It has turned into the new way of
combating or or letting the public know, letting the people know,
UM what's going on, their dismay or discord with what
what the situation is. Has there been Has there been
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any type of like discussions that you've been privy to
or that have ensued just based upon the kind of
I don't know, is it is it let's just say
rules of engagement. Will this continue to be a deal
because I don't I don't know that this is I
know they say all press, all media is good media.
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I don't know that this trend is is a as
good a trend or is good for business. If I'm
NFL owners, UM, they like the fact that they've been
pretty consistently in the news cycle, you know, UM in
the greater sports news cycle because obviously the NFL has
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a song, but you know, kind of like you know,
above the fold and newspaper fairly exists anymore, but above
the whole folding the sports section every day, you know. Um,
And like I I think that there's no element of that.
That's what the league has always wanted, you know, like
that the league has always felt like it could create
some sort of year round products. And I can tell
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you it's just somebody who's covering it feels like the
season never ended, you know. So I think there's that
part of it that the owners are happy about that
people are constantly talking about football now. Um. I think
the other end of it is really interesting, which is
the And I think what you're getting at is control
and whether this affects the quality of the game and
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all those different things and quality of the game will see,
you know, because I do think football is a game
that takes continuity, takes guys playing together to be played
at its highest level. Um, you know, but there is
that that control piece. And I think, really, what's changed it, right,
because it's not like social media is brand new. I
think what's changed it isn't so much the behavior of
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the teams that hold these players. It's the behavior of
the teams that are pursuing these players, if that makes sense. Like,
if you go back five or ten years, teams valued
first round picks differently, right, and teams were very hesitant
to give up first round picks. So if you had
a player five or ten years ago who was really upset, well,
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you know, it's not like you had this like handful
of teams just waiting out there with like a first
round pick, a second round pick, and then a bunch
of lower round picks wanting to give them up for
your players. Those sorts of trades didn't happen five or
ten years ago. And I think with the Ram success
um and you know, other teams doing these sorts of things. Now,
if you've got a player like that's upset this way,
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that's gonna go make a think on social media and
demand X, Y and z. You've got an escape attatch
that didn't exist five or ten years ago, you know, um,
you know, and so I think like there are some
good examples of it from this offseason, but I think
it's really the last couple of years that have built
to this, and you know, really I think it's like
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the Rams willingness to part with their first round picks
has been part of it um And I think that
that you know, led teams in their analytics departments and
everything else to examine these things a little closer. And
I think it's just you know, first round picks teams
valued a little bit differently and teams being willing to
part with them, making it a little bit easier when
you've got a star player who's upset to look at
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all of your options instead of just saying no, we're
drawing a line in the stand and he's playing here
and nowhere else. Albert Brier joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. You can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier,
Senior NFL reporter with the mm QB here two pros
and a cup of Joe UM. So, as far as
Deebo Samuel goes, is this fixable? Because it feels like
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we've gone from you know, stage won, the stage ten
of unhappiness for Deebo Samuel. So are we looking at
a trade? Is going to get done? It's just a
matter of when. I don't know. I mean, the Niners
haven't shown a great um. Niners haven't shown a great
willingness to do that, and I think that's part of
the reason why it went public. Um. You know, I
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over like it's just having like dug around a little
bit yesterday. Um. It sounds like the trade requests went
in a little bit ago, um, and that these discussions
have been happening for a while and as the Niners
have worked really hard to try to keep a lid
on it. Um because they are trying to fix it,
and they are willing to pay him and they do
want to bring him back. Um. You do see him
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as a unique player and somebody who is central to
what they want to do offensively. Uh, you know, but
I think what what this effectively does and we've seen
this right, like what what what what what these sorts
of things effectively do is they bring out and so
what the Niners don't have to declare him available now
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the Niners don't have to do anything Nick. Now it's
out there that Devo Samuel wants a trade, that he's
asked for a trade, and so like really now like
the Niners are going to figure out what other teams
are willing to part with Devo Samuel, and they'll be
able to value Deebo Samuel. So, like I said before,
like now it's like you get to see, okay, like
we got the option to trying to ride this out
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with Devo Samuel and trying to make it work, or
we've got this team willing to offer this, this team
willing to offer this, and this team will wanted off
of this, and so um, you know, I think every
player in the league has a price. Everybody's got a
price for what they're willing to go back to their
teams for. And everybody's got a price as far as
what their teams are willing to part for them a
part with them for. So um, the Niners, I think
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Devo probably has a number in his head of, you know,
maybe what it would take potentially to go back to
the Niners. Maybe the number he wouldn't be able to
say no to. But he said no to any certain
negotiations at this point. Maybe they put them in crazy
in front of them and it fixes it. I don't know.
And then there's the other end of it, which is, um,
you know, the Niners probably have a price in their
mind that they wouldn't be able to walk away from
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another team off the tom We'll see if the rest
of the league value the guy who obviously had a
very very unique role in San Francisco. What are the
conversations taking place about Miami. Obviously we got the sound
from TOA and as as as soft spoken and as
humble a young man as he is, he made it
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very clear that he was not able to be who
he was. And the direct shot and the aim and
the fire was at uh was that fluoresce? What? What
is what's the conversations coming out of Miami right now
in terms of where two ways in the current state
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of the team, I think the best way to play
at LaVar as the owner wants to find out. The
owner wants to find out now and I think we've
seen um. You know, like the way these things go
in draft a quarterback in the first round, you generally
want to have to have an answer after three years
because that's the guy's eligible for a new contract. That's
when you're gonna have to make a decision on UM.
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And so you know, like you look at where the
Cardinals are right now with Kyler. You know where the
Browns were last year with Baker Mayfield. How awkward that
got after they went to the fourth year without a
new contract. Um, you know, that's sort of a year
out from the Dolphins right now. And so what do
they do. They bring in Mike McDaniel, who runs a
(39:31):
very quarterback friendly system, who's going to be able to
do some things to make too uncomfortable. And by the way,
like Steve Starts and who was to his offensive coordinator
at Alabama, like actually brand like a version of Shanahan
offense when he was in Atlanta, and so there's some
carry over and what Stark get at Alabama and what
McDaniel is going to do in Miami and then you know,
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I think you get to a teammate that will help
you figure out who toa is and so okay, like
what you do best is you get the ball out
of your hand and get the ball to your playmakers.
And we saw you do it in Alabama and you
played this fast, instinctive game when you've had all those
guys around you. The Judy is, the Ruggs is, the
you know, the the Davante Smith's well, like now let's
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see what that looks like in the NFL. And he's
got Jalen Waddle there now, who played with him at
Alabama and had a hundred catches last year you give
them tyree kill and so now you've sort of set
it up where we're going to get answers on two. Oh. So,
do I think they're sold the two is going to
be their quarterbacks in the next ten years? Um? No,
I don't think they're sold on that yet. But I
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think there hell been on trying to find out this year, Albert,
we got about a minute left, but I wanted to
ask you. I saw Trent Bulky you say that you
know they were still kind of up in the air
as to what they're gonna do with the number one pick.
You buying that? And and who are some options that
you think are more likely than not to to go
number one overall? To Jens, Yeah, I think you know.
I can't I the center around the league is that,
(40:59):
um that Trent is sort of hearing the criticism, has
sort of the criticism, um, and as sensitive the way
the organization is perceived right now, And like I know,
there's a feeling there that if they don't take aidan Hutchinson,
it's gonna look really weird. Um now that the issue
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would taking Aid and Hutches and number one overall is
if it's just like a double off the wall and
you're not really swinging for the senses with the first
overall day, you know that said, I mean, if the
guy's floor is Ryan Carrigan and it is stealing a T. J. Watt,
that's not bad, you know. Um. So like, I think
that Hutchinson still the leader in the clubhouse because he
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is a safe play here. But they've done a ton
of work on the offensive lineman, and I don't think
that that should be ignored Doug Peterson's history. Uh, if
you look like when they were in Philadelphia and what
they were able to win with when they won that
Super Bowl, that offensive line had Jason Peters and Lane
Johnson and Brandon Brooks and Jason Kelsey on it, and
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so you know, I know what the head coach believes in,
and the head coach plays the best for a young quarterback,
and that's to build up the offensive line. So, um,
I do think a Hutchinson's you know, probably the leader
in the clothouse. Thanks for Von Walkers in the mix too,
but I wouldn't ignore how much work the Jaguars has
done on the offensive wideman in particular, the three kids
will probably go somewhere in the top ten. Nikkia Kwanu,
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Evan Neil, and Charles Cross. Get him on Twitter at
Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter at the mm QB. Always
good stuff, Albert. Hopefully we'll do it again next week.
You gonna be in Vegas for the Draft. For one,
I'm not no, no, no no, I think I'm I normally
I just need to be by my phone, So I
think that for all. Be next with yeah, very good,
all right, So it's probably safer that way, to be honest.
(42:45):
You know, yeah, Vegas might not be the best place
for me. All right, with good stuff. We'll do it again.
Thanks as always, man. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Joe Knocks on
Fox Radio. The drama that is the NFL offseason continues. Um.
This one is is an interesting one because I don't
know that anybody thought that it was going to get
(00:22):
to this level this quick. We knew that Deebo Samuel
was looking to get paid because he wasn't reporting uh
to to the forty Niners off season program, and we thought,
all right, well, he's just you know, he's looking for
a contract extension. San Francisco has already said that he's
a priority. In fact, San Francisco said, uh, maybe a
month ago or so, that they were putting aside money
(00:43):
for Deebo Samuel and for Nick Bosa, that those were
two priorities that they wanted to build their franchise around
moving forward. And so we just assumed, hey, you know,
something will get done here, but it's gonna take a
little while and uh and the forty Niners will figure
this out and Deebo Samuel is going to be a
nine moving forward. And then all of a sudden, Jeff Darlington, Yeah,
(01:04):
not happy at all, and Jeff Jeff Darlington of ESPN
was reporting that Deebo Samuel has asked the forty Niners
for a trade, and the way that some of the
reporting has come out, it seems like this isn't just
a contract thing. Deebo Samuel once out of San Fran.
He he wants to be gone, and he there was
a tweet that he sent out that was later deleted
(01:26):
in which he said, three people know the truth, myself,
my agent, and the forty Niners. So there is some
sort of resentment or bad blood going on there. But
the stud all purpose wide receiver slash running bash slack
slash do it all for San Fran their most important
weapon last year. Uh does no longer want to be
a part of the San Francisco forty Niner offense. Yeah,
(01:49):
it's a it's a lot. Sometimes sometimes you break up
to make up. Sometimes you gotta break up to make up.
And that could be what what Deebo Samuel is doing
right now. Um is trying to break up to make
up and and and sometimes you know the problem with that,
(02:11):
maybe when you when you try to break up a
lot of a lot of times it's met with Ah,
it's it's not good. It's it's not if you feel
as though it's like, was the relationship real? You know,
(02:32):
why are you doing this? You know, it's not really
about how do we fix it? A lot of times right, Yeah,
the lighting was weird. Yes, Now the question is if
we didn't woke up now and this is the first
time I just saw you without your makeup on, and
(02:54):
this that and the other, and that's why we're waking up.
I would like to know who is the one without
the makeup? Is it Debo or is it the niners?
You know? And that's I think that that's what's going
on right now. You you've had you you've had the
opportunity to get to know one another. Obviously, one is
valuing you know, themselves at this while the other is
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valuing that person at at another another level of value.
If Debo is basing what he wants, if if what
was being offered is now obsolete because of what has
been offered and and paid out to other receivers, Deebo
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Samuel is in pole position along with a j out
of out of Tennessee to to have that feeling because
everybody is looking for that game changer, and and some
would say, even though regardless he hasn't done it as
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long as some of these other other other players that
have gotten paid. Some would say Deebo Samuel is the
closest thing to to rekill and what his capabilities are
and his impact on a game from anywhere on the field.
And there's a lot of Percy Harvin comps as well.
A guy that can literally do everything for that team.
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And in fact, we were talking about it during the
season when everybody was put putting up the m v
P odds and it was kind of a back and
forth between Brady and Rogers and Jonathan Taylor got a
sniff at it. For a couple of weeks, Deebo Samuel
was in the discussion for m v P awards. Like
the team, I agree, I usually in the truest sense
(04:46):
of the word, when you say m v P, that
is the most valued player, most valuable to the team.
We never get that right. Just so we're clear on
that it's it's probably it's probably overstated that you're going
to choose a quarterback as the as the MVP of
the league, and that that's fine. It's just like how
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you never get it really right with the Heisman because
it's always going to be generally a quarterback that wins
the Heisman, So it's not the m v P all
the time. In general, it's probably not. It's probably gonna
be alignment. It's probably gonna be a guy on the
defense that does multiple things for you on the defense
that he can play safety, he can play corner, he
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can do coverage, he can play the run. That sounds
like the most valuable person that you have on your team.
I mean, Aaron Donald should have been at some point
the m v P of the National Football League. That's
a travesty. At some point. J J. Watt should have
been the m v P of the National Football League.
That's a travesty. At some point. Oh yeah, they did
(05:52):
give it the Ray. Ray did get it. Um. You know,
sometimes you just don't see the most valuable guys get
the award. And the reason why I pank this picture
is because if there was one guy that was most
valuable and vital to the success of their team last
year that was noticeable, it was Deebo Samuel And now
(06:16):
he wants his he wants his dip with his chips
and he uh and going to the point on the
m v P Award the last non quarterback to when
the m v P was Adrian Peterson and O twelve
and that was you know, Adrian Peterson coming off that
knee injury and he bade he carried the Minnesota Vikings
um as far as getting them to the postseason and
(06:37):
just the the season he put up was one of
the most incredible we've ever seen. Almost broke the single
season rushing record all of that. I mean, Deebo Samuel
had a monster year for this team. He had over
fourteen hundred yards receiving. Uh, he had you know, the
three six five on the ground like he was. He
was there all purpose, do everything back and it doesn't.
One of the things, and one of the theories that's
(06:58):
been thrown out there is that he was frustrated with
his usage, that he's being used too much and he
doesn't want to wear down as his career moves forward.
And it's like, okay, but I feel like that's something
that he and the forty niners could still work through
and they could come to some sort of a compromise
and say, all right, listen, it's part of a contract negotiation.
(07:21):
We understand how you feel about this. We'll make some concessions.
We can we can direct our offense in another direction.
Kyle Shanahan's more than capable of it. It feels like
there's something more there. Something was either said in the
initial contract offer or the initial negotiation that he can't
let go. And we've seen, you know, a guys negotiate
(07:42):
contracts before, and there's some bad blood and they're upset
about it, but ultimately they get a deal done. This
feels like it's gone in the complete opposite direction. And
I'm just wondering why the hostility, what was said. Let
me give you an idea of what that that looks
like a right now, I know, for sir, your best
friends and best but with with Scott Shapiro, that shouts
(08:04):
out to Scott, he listens to he's a colleague guy,
he's a mentor and radio and now we keep it
strictly business um mentor yeah, just you know, just a
guy who is a really guy to me. But I
mean there's you know, I mean, I mean best friends.
I feel like it's a strong term. I mean, we
we simply it's it's a professional relationship between everybody out there.
(08:25):
If you're reading between the lines and that that was
Jonas kissing up and basically saying that Scott's my daddy.
Um anyway, So don't worry, I say, Don's not anyway.
So so here's what I'm saying. If we found out
that that somebody to the same capacity in a morning
slot of of another station, another channel got paid a
(08:50):
blockbuster deal in the same category, sports category, Morning Am
drived out of that? Is that another and we heard
about it? You know the first thing that we would
come into the studio and do what's that? Come into
the studio Jonas lefar Hey did you did you? Yeah, yeah,
(09:11):
I've seen it. I definitely And you know what Brady
would do, He'd bring it on the air, and you
know what happens next. Now the conversation becomes, this is
the market. The market has been set. We do a
dope ass morning show. We're consistent, we continue to improve,
(09:34):
our audience continues to grow, our ratings continue to grow,
Our our subscribers are, our our impressions everything, so, um,
so what you're gonna do? Like what you're gonna do?
And if they come back to us and they say, oh,
we won't come in anywhere near close to that, regardless
(09:57):
of if we decide to stay or you know what
the feeling is on the inside, you're under appreciated. And
we all have been there there, everybody who's sitting there
listening to us. If you have put your best foot
forward in your job, there has been a point in
time where you felt, based off of your compensation, that
(10:20):
you were under appreciated and you were undervalued. And I'm
gonna tell you right now, you as an employee feeling
undervalued and underappreciate it is very different than you being
an employee that feels valued and appreciate it. And right
now Deebo Samuel feels underappreciated. And it one has to
(10:40):
do with their offer doesn't probably really compare. It peals
in comparison to the Samuel and the extension forward for
digs and and for the Adams deal. It just it's
probably just not anywhere in the ballpark. And he doesn't
like it. See, but I think I'm just gonna guess here.
(11:01):
I'm just gonna throw this out as to what I
think happened. If there's a negotiation, obviously each side is
going to give you a low offer trying to get
a better deal, and then you come to some sort
of a compromise and you meet in the middle, right,
Like the Raiders and Davante Adams deal probably wasn't that
when they initially started talking. There were some concessions made.
They wanted more, they say, with Tyreek Hill and the Dolphins,
(11:22):
that's just contract negotiations. It's it's oh, bi oh, you
put something on Craigslist, you're gonna price it high, but
you know you're probably gonna settle for a certain amount.
Like that's just negotiations. Everybody does at garage sales, you
name it. I think somewhere along the lines of communication
early on the Niners made it either straight up said
this to Deebo Samuel and his representatives or alluded to
(11:45):
the fact that, well, listen, you're only this valuable in
our offense. You're not this valuable anywhere else. And I
think Deebo Samuel got pissy about it, and I think
I think he took an offense to it. Is probably thinking,
you know what, you don't think I can be a
receiver like some of these other guys strictly a receiver.
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Trade me somewhere and I'll prove you wrong. That's that's
just a guess and just what's crazy about that assumption.
It may have came in the form of, now go
back to the analogy of you break up the makeup.
It may have came in the form of you broke up,
but but but the person that you broke up with
was like, listen, I did okay with you. But there's
(12:29):
the chance that with what I what I got, I
could do better than you. I can do better than you.
So at the end of the day, either you can
stick it out with me and we can be together
and we can make this thing work until we don't,
or you could go somewhere else. But just no, they
only want you because I made you hot. Like there
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are a lot of people out here that that's how
they roll. Like they're looking at you like, oh yeah,
you look good, you look real good. Everybody wants you
this that let me take away what what what I
brought to the table. Oh you was able to get
your hair done every week. Oh you got your nails
done every week. Oh you got other stuff done that
don't nobody God knows who what it is that you did.
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Oh you don't have that no more. Let's see how
you look. Now. Look, now, you ain't got a job.
Let's see what it looks like now, and that might
be very well. How they're approaching the Deebo Samuel situation.
Be interesting to see how it plays out. Not because
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once you put it out there the way that that
debos put it out there, now, things either you know,
disintegrate very quickly or you you you'll see that there
be a quick swift reaction to trying to make good,
make it right. So it'll be interesting to see. Be
sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas
(13:56):
Knocks week days at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app So. UM,
the situation uh in Miami, and we talked about the
Deebo Samuel situation with the Niners. Will have more on that,
you know, the speculation going around where he may get
traded and all of that throughout the course of the show.
(14:18):
But one of the wide receivers who did set the market,
if you will, in the NFL was Tyree Hill, who
was now re member the Miami Dolphins. And um, you know,
they there's been a lot of changes. They've got a
brand new head coach and Mike McDaniel. Uh, they've got
you know, the Brian Flores saga that did not end
all that well. But they look like a team who's
(14:40):
added some pieces, feel pretty confident about where they're headed,
and it feels like they've got a clear direction as
they move forward and then um to a tug of
Iloa talked with the media yesterday about some of the
pressure and with if there's more pressure being felt there
in South Beach and also what it's like playing and
and being coached by one Mike McDaniel. Well, I think
(15:03):
pressure is going to be there every time. Um. You know,
I don't feel more pressured that we have acquired all
these guys, um, but it's more of an opportunity that
I get that we all get as as a team
to show what we can do this year. Thing about
being um, you know on this team under Mike is
(15:23):
Mike doesn't force you to be what you're not or
what you don't want to be. If you know that
this is how you lead, That's all he wants you
to do is lead the way you lead. He doesn't
want anyone to, you know, put that guy to the side.
You know, tell him how bad his route was and whatnot,
and you know, come back to the huddle. It's more like, hey,
you know, go talk to the guy, you know, tell
(15:44):
him what your thoughts are. He'll tell you what your
thoughts are. You guys meeting the meet in the middle,
and you know that's that's what that is. God, he
just seems so relaxed. Now there's something missing, something's different
about Miami this year. He was relaxed, but he was
on point with his sniperism. That took but he was
(16:04):
sniping right there. Who do you think he was getting after?
Come on, man, come on, come on. That was a
sniper shop and he killed He killed it with kindness.
Shout out to Brian Flores. So basically, he's saying that
they they're allowed to be who who they're. There's, you know,
(16:27):
being allowed to be who you are in a team
setting and a team environment is one of the most
interesting aspects of sport because you it's it's when you
say staunchly different mentalities and philosophies. Some people truly believe
(16:47):
that if you don't do it exactly the way they
want you to do it emotionally, mentally, and physically, schematically,
it ain't gonna work. They are trying the macro and
micro manage every shingle detail of what each player is
(17:08):
bringing to the table. You know, I'm sitting here and
and and you know, I'm not lash building. And one
thing that I've always admired and liked about coach Franklin
Harris in a culture where that that was Joe like
Joe was not with you. Like you had to shave
your face. You have a mustache, but it had to
(17:28):
be you know, groomed your hair, It had to be
cut a certain way, you had to to act a
certain way. You are It was to you, hey, hey, hey, hey,
gets out of your getting out of your ass. There's
too much face you're here on his face. You got
(17:53):
a little Mike Tyson do him? Well? They're both from
New York. Yeah. So anyway, and and and here's the thing, right,
I get the core principles and the values of being
a gentleman being, you know, being groomed a certain way
and handling things a certain way. Very very old school,
(18:14):
is very very military. Um. I grew up in a
military home, so that's very much how I was raised.
And and you know what, as I got older, I
became more of a I don't want to say a renegade,
but I would just I just enjoy letting myself, you know,
express myself. You know, I got I got longer. Here
(18:37):
when I got into high school my sophomore junior year,
you know, I had you know, I had braids and
stuff like that. I was I was exploring who I am,
figuring out who I am. I almost feel like if
you run into a situation where someone doesn't allow you
to organically figure out who you are and how it
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makes sense, it can actually take away Because you guys
don't like when I use the word, but it's it
is a term um. It actually slows the growth and
the development of what you could truly be because you're
not growing in the confidence and the belief that what
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you're doing is going to eventually work and it's going
to be what it's supposed to be, because the person
that's in charge, that's making the decisions, is not giving
you the ability to be able to get out of
your cocoon and and spread your wings and become the
butterfly that you're supposed to be. And I think that
that's what two was saying. You know, and that's interesting.
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It's just you just go back to like, I don't
know what player would feel confidence after what Brian Flores
pulled the first year, like it just look when when
you're on the road and like you want to go
through I've always been uh, put me in a situation.
I learned more from failing than I than I learned
reading a manual, like telling me, okay, this is what
(20:03):
you do, this is what you don't do. No, throw
me in there, and then it's sink or swim, Like
I've always learned better that way. Well, there were a
couple of sink or swim moments for to a Tongue
of Iloa his rookie season, and one of them was
on the road at Denver and they're trailing in that game,
and instead of Brian Flores letting him go through it
and figure it out, he just pulled him. And it's
(20:23):
like wait what And then he thought, okay, well maybe
it's a different approach, a unique approach. He just wanted
to show him, Hey, you know, anybody can be mentioned anytime.
He did it again in Las Vegas when they were
playing the Raiders. They tried to blame it on injury,
but he did do it again. Yeah, it's and and
so I remember thinking at the time, how the hell
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is he supposed to feel any sort of confidence, especially
a guy like him coming off the injury that he
had at Alabama, which I think we, like a lot
of people look past now that was a significant injury
and the hip popping out like that, and then he
had you know, the more table ankle surgeries. So he's
trying to come back. He's trying to get back to
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and learn how to play quarterback in the NFL, and
he's having you know, some success early, but then he
runs into a little bit of an issue on the road.
It's like, all right, but this is where you want
this to happen. If he's your franchise quarterback, you'd rather
get this stuff out of the way early, so you
know what you got. And he didn't even get a chance.
And so I think he's gonna play say all the
(21:26):
right things because he's a really good kid and everything
I've heard about him from from our our friends in
Hawaii who always glow about him. St. Louis High School,
which has been a football factory, a ton of all
pros and Pro Bowlers that have come out of there.
All you hear about him is what a great dude, like,
great kid. Yeah, all the wami. It's very very humble people,
(21:48):
god fearing people, very very strong religious belief, faith and
stuff like that, just very very humble, great reputation through
and through. And he's never gonna out and and take
a shot directly at Brian Flores being that was a
shot agreed, And I think that's it. That's him saying, man,
I am so relieved I actually have somebody that's gonna
(22:11):
give me an opportunity if it doesn't work. And this
is his one year under Mike McDaniel, they find out
it didn't work. At least I feel like he's going
to get a fair chance. And I don't think you
ever got that with Flora's I really don't. Yeah, I
don't disagree with that, and he made that very clear
in this statement, and I think he's basically saying, like,
I want to feel the pressure, of course, but at
(22:32):
least I can be me. I can you know. Listen,
if somebody was dictating to you how you run this show,
it's not going to be the same type of show.
It's just not. If it's Brady if it's me, if
it's if it's if it's one of the you know,
higher ups, if they're telling you to do something as
(22:54):
it applies, and their macro and macro and micro, you know,
just just managing every single detail, how you get into
the breaks, how you get out of the brakes, how
you tease what's coming, how you data whatever it is.
If they're dictating it to you in a way where
it's not authentically Jonas knocks, the show will will suffer.
(23:19):
You know. One of the reasons why our show does
the way that it does is because we are organically
allowed to be who we are. Now imagine you get
the best of us. We're up. I didn't even sleep
lest yesterday. Like I didn't even sleep yesterday. Like I
flew in here. Our flight was delayed. I didn't get
(23:40):
in here until one a m. I get into my room.
You know, It's like I just couldn't. I was so
keyed up from from the delay and and all the stimulation.
By the time I was able to like kind of
settle in, my alarm was going off. And you know what,
because I love doing what I do, because I'm able
to be who I am him, I get my ass up.
(24:02):
I get my ass up, and I get in here
and I do what I need to do, just like
you do when when when you do what you need
to do, and we feel the confidence of, no matter
what the circumstances are, we are going to throw down
when we crack these microphones. If I don't have that confidence,
if you don't have that confidence, you know what I
(24:22):
say after that, Uh, Scott, I need off today, but
I'm not gonna not gonna make it. I'm tired, I
gotta get some sleep. I ain't gonna make it. I
ain't gonna make it, you know. But and that's how
that's how it seems like the environment was um unfortunately,
(24:46):
you know, in terms of because I wanted it to
work obvious for obvious reasons. But it just didn't seem
like Flores was making that type of environment now. And
and also the I remember having a conversation of my
first bosses in radio. He told me and I was
doing a morning show this time slot, but on the
East coast, so it wasn't it wasn't waking up at
(25:08):
midnight like we do now to do this show because
we're on the we're on the West coast. But it
was waking up but you know, to thirty three in
the morning, and I remember asking him like, hey, do
you know, do you guys have like a certain you
know way you you want things handle like, you know,
And I figured he was gonna say, no, there's no
of course there's no dress code, but you know, I
want to be courteous and not you know, disrespect what
they already had built there and just you know, any
(25:29):
dress code or I was like, oh, you know, you're
probably good, uh, you know, a polo shirt, some slacks,
business casual, you know, just kind of relaxed. And I'm
thinking to myself, Bro, I'm getting up at three in
the morning, kiss my ass, I'm wearing sweats and and
and I'm not worried about how I look on radio,
like it's just not happening. But to your point that well, yeah,
I mean you always do. But to your point, though,
(25:51):
if there was a strict guideline, you must be this,
you gotta do it this way, and this is how
it's good. It's like, man, that's just gonna push people
act like you're just going to suffer, and product is
gonna suffer. And I think there was a lot of
that going on in Miami, which is also part of
the conversation with Brian Flores because Mike Fitzpatrick. One of
the stories that people brought up was Mika Fitzpatrick's now
(26:14):
in Pittsburgh. So is Brian Flores. How's that going to
play out? Because those guys butted heads and that's part
of the reason why he got traded as well too. So, um,
it's a very different circumstance. Yeah, in Pittsburgh for for
Flores than what it was, you know, for them in Miami. Yeah,
I hear what you're saying. Man, Man, it gets real
(26:34):
up and once that real get real and your your
level of importance changes, you don't have that like make
of Fitzpatrick got got a much bigger contract that man believes.
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(26:57):
am Pacific. It was everybody, It's me, three time pro
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what's happening? LaVar and Jonas, how are you gardling? Marble?
(28:02):
Sounds like a be dangerous? It does. It's not something
you want to do, that'd be a that'd be a
choking hazard. I think, right, yeah, yes, yes, yeah, more
than more than the ways that we're saying. Yes, indeed, yes,
so you guys, uh yeah, it seemed that way. It
seemed like Boston got really aggressive, started to d up
(28:26):
Kevin Durant and they just didn't have a lot of
answers for him. Just not a lot of going on there. Yeah,
and Kyrie seems I mean, I don't know what's going
on with that dude, because he would think he'd come
out like a house of fire after everything on Sunday,
and he almost looked like disengaged. You know, I don't know.
It was a weird, weird team. Can I ask you
a question when you when you send something like that
(28:48):
out that's not NFL related, whether it's you know, the
Bruins in hockey or it's the Celtics and basketball, because
you know those are your teams. I'm assuming do you
get people that give you the stick to football in
your tweets? Do you get that? I get that, Yeah,
and then I get like, and then I get like,
you know, oh, middle aged guy from the suburbs just
(29:10):
calling somebody else off with just saying you know what
I mean, Like, yeah, but they're calling you out. Yeah.
It's no longer become a basketball issue, is now? You know?
Oh man? All right, so let's let's get into the
big story that came out in the NFL yesterday. Apparently Deebo.
(29:31):
Samuel is not happy in San Francisco. He wants a
contract now apparently he wants to be traded. How the
hell do we get here? I think role has a
lot to do with it, you know. And I think
there are two pieces of this, a dovetail into one thing. Um.
You know, obviously they started to use them differently second
half last year. Um, there's some degree out of necessity
(29:52):
and like, and it's just I think it's what made
him so great last Year's how unique that role was. Um.
But you know, like they were using him. I mean,
this wasn't like using him like out of the backfield occasionally,
like they were running like power with him, you know,
like so like he was running inside the tackles and
taking sorts of hits tailbacks to you know. And so
(30:15):
I think at the end of the season, part of
it was like a role thing. You know. It's like,
do I think that I'm gonna be able to have
a long career playing this way? You know. And then
there's the second piece of it, which is he does
view himself as a receiver, um, despite having the ability
to do all those different things, which again I think
makes him great, makes him unique, like he still does
(30:37):
view himself as you know, the same way a Stefon
Diggs would view himself, the same way you know, Davante
Adams wild deal himself. U man. You know, if you
look at the numbers last year, the back half the
year when he started playing a tailback more, he was
like sort of the third wheel in the passing game
for them, behind George kittleha and Brandon Nive And so
(31:01):
I think it's a combination of those things. And I mean,
maybe not a full trust that if the Niners, um, yeah,
maybe maybe it's just not even getting assurances from the
Niners they wouldn't want to do that again with him.
And you know, I think this is for him about again,
Like I'm not going to be one of these guys
(31:21):
that says it's not about the money, because even though
I've been told it's not about the money, and I've
been told money is not essential to this, I've learned
over the years that it's always about the money to
some degree. But I do think that there's a piece
of this where it's like how he views himself in
the next five or ten years of his career, how
long he wants to play, what sort of player he
wants to be, UM, and I think he's having a
(31:43):
hard time envisioning those things playing out in San Francisco, Albert.
The the owners meetings just concluded not too long ago,
and you were there. UM. I just wonder and and
looking at how these these affairs are being handled by
the players, and how much social media has become a
(32:05):
thing connected to everything that's going on UM with players
these days. It has turned into the new way of
combating or or letting the public know, letting the people know,
UM what's going on, their dismay or discord with what
what the situation is. Has there been Has there been
(32:25):
any type of like discussions that you've been privy to
or that have ensued just based upon the kind of
I don't know, is it is it let's just say
rules of engagement. Will this continue to be a deal
because I don't I don't know that this is I
know they say all press, all media is good media.
(32:46):
I don't know that this trend is is a as
good a trend or is good for business. If I'm
NFL owners, UM, they like the fact that they've been
pretty consistently in the news cycle, you know, UM in
the greater sports news cycle because obviously the NFL has
(33:07):
a song, but you know, kind of like you know,
above the fold and newspaper fairly exists anymore, but above
the whole folding the sports section every day, you know. Um,
And like I I think that there's no element of that.
That's what the league has always wanted, you know, like
that the league has always felt like it could create
some sort of year round products. And I can tell
(33:27):
you it's just somebody who's covering it feels like the
season never ended, you know. So I think there's that
part of it that the owners are happy about that
people are constantly talking about football now. Um. I think
the other end of it is really interesting, which is
the And I think what you're getting at is control
and whether this affects the quality of the game and
(33:47):
all those different things and quality of the game will see,
you know, because I do think football is a game
that takes continuity, takes guys playing together to be played
at its highest level. Um, you know, but there is
that that control piece. And I think, really, what's changed it, right,
because it's not like social media is brand new. I
think what's changed it isn't so much the behavior of
(34:10):
the teams that hold these players. It's the behavior of
the teams that are pursuing these players, if that makes sense. Like,
if you go back five or ten years, teams valued
first round picks differently, right, and teams were very hesitant
to give up first round picks. So if you had
a player five or ten years ago who was really upset, well,
(34:31):
you know, it's not like you had this like handful
of teams just waiting out there with like a first
round pick, a second round pick, and then a bunch
of lower round picks wanting to give them up for
your players. Those sorts of trades didn't happen five or
ten years ago. And I think with the Ram success
um and you know, other teams doing these sorts of things. Now,
if you've got a player like that's upset this way,
(34:54):
that's gonna go make a think on social media and
demand X, Y and z. You've got an escape attatch
that didn't exist five or ten years ago, you know, um,
you know, and so I think like there are some
good examples of it from this offseason, but I think
it's really the last couple of years that have built
to this, and you know, really I think it's like
(35:14):
the Rams willingness to part with their first round picks
has been part of it um And I think that
that you know, led teams in their analytics departments and
everything else to examine these things a little closer. And
I think it's just you know, first round picks teams
valued a little bit differently and teams being willing to
part with them, making it a little bit easier when
you've got a star player who's upset to look at
(35:36):
all of your options instead of just saying no, we're
drawing a line in the stand and he's playing here
and nowhere else. Albert Brier joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. You can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier,
Senior NFL reporter with the mm QB here two pros
and a cup of Joe UM. So, as far as
Deebo Samuel goes, is this fixable? Because it feels like
(35:57):
we've gone from you know, stage won, the stage ten
of unhappiness for Deebo Samuel. So are we looking at
a trade? Is going to get done? It's just a
matter of when. I don't know. I mean, the Niners
haven't shown a great um. Niners haven't shown a great
willingness to do that, and I think that's part of
the reason why it went public. Um. You know, I
(36:19):
over like it's just having like dug around a little
bit yesterday. Um. It sounds like the trade requests went
in a little bit ago, um, and that these discussions
have been happening for a while and as the Niners
have worked really hard to try to keep a lid
on it. Um because they are trying to fix it,
and they are willing to pay him and they do
want to bring him back. Um. You do see him
(36:41):
as a unique player and somebody who is central to
what they want to do offensively. Uh, you know, but
I think what what this effectively does and we've seen
this right, like what what what what what these sorts
of things effectively do is they bring out and so
what the Niners don't have to declare him available now
(37:02):
the Niners don't have to do anything Nick. Now it's
out there that Devo Samuel wants a trade, that he's
asked for a trade, and so like really now like
the Niners are going to figure out what other teams
are willing to part with Devo Samuel, and they'll be
able to value Deebo Samuel. So, like I said before,
like now it's like you get to see, okay, like
we got the option to trying to ride this out
(37:23):
with Devo Samuel and trying to make it work, or
we've got this team willing to offer this, this team
willing to offer this, and this team will wanted off
of this, and so um, you know, I think every
player in the league has a price. Everybody's got a
price for what they're willing to go back to their
teams for. And everybody's got a price as far as
what their teams are willing to part for them a
part with them for. So um, the Niners, I think
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Devo probably has a number in his head of, you know,
maybe what it would take potentially to go back to
the Niners. Maybe the number he wouldn't be able to
say no to. But he said no to any certain
negotiations at this point. Maybe they put them in crazy
in front of them and it fixes it. I don't know.
And then there's the other end of it, which is, um,
you know, the Niners probably have a price in their
mind that they wouldn't be able to walk away from
(38:07):
another team off the tom We'll see if the rest
of the league value the guy who obviously had a
very very unique role in San Francisco. What are the
conversations taking place about Miami. Obviously we got the sound
from TOA and as as as soft spoken and as
humble a young man as he is, he made it
(38:28):
very clear that he was not able to be who
he was. And the direct shot and the aim and
the fire was at uh was that fluoresce? What? What
is what's the conversations coming out of Miami right now
in terms of where two ways in the current state
(38:49):
of the team, I think the best way to play
at LaVar as the owner wants to find out. The
owner wants to find out now and I think we've
seen um. You know, like the way these things go
in draft a quarterback in the first round, you generally
want to have to have an answer after three years
because that's the guy's eligible for a new contract. That's
when you're gonna have to make a decision on UM.
(39:10):
And so you know, like you look at where the
Cardinals are right now with Kyler. You know where the
Browns were last year with Baker Mayfield. How awkward that
got after they went to the fourth year without a
new contract. Um, you know, that's sort of a year
out from the Dolphins right now. And so what do
they do. They bring in Mike McDaniel, who runs a
(39:31):
very quarterback friendly system, who's going to be able to
do some things to make too uncomfortable. And by the way,
like Steve Starts and who was to his offensive coordinator
at Alabama, like actually brand like a version of Shanahan
offense when he was in Atlanta, and so there's some
carry over and what Stark get at Alabama and what
McDaniel is going to do in Miami and then you know,
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I think you get to a teammate that will help
you figure out who toa is and so okay, like
what you do best is you get the ball out
of your hand and get the ball to your playmakers.
And we saw you do it in Alabama and you
played this fast, instinctive game when you've had all those
guys around you. The Judy is, the Ruggs is, the
you know, the the Davante Smith's well, like now let's
(40:15):
see what that looks like in the NFL. And he's
got Jalen Waddle there now, who played with him at
Alabama and had a hundred catches last year you give
them tyree kill and so now you've sort of set
it up where we're going to get answers on two. Oh. So,
do I think they're sold the two is going to
be their quarterbacks in the next ten years? Um? No,
I don't think they're sold on that yet. But I
(40:36):
think there hell been on trying to find out this year, Albert,
we got about a minute left, but I wanted to
ask you. I saw Trent Bulky you say that you
know they were still kind of up in the air
as to what they're gonna do with the number one pick.
You buying that? And and who are some options that
you think are more likely than not to to go
number one overall? To Jens, Yeah, I think you know.
I can't I the center around the league is that,
(40:59):
um that Trent is sort of hearing the criticism, has
sort of the criticism, um, and as sensitive the way
the organization is perceived right now, And like I know,
there's a feeling there that if they don't take aidan Hutchinson,
it's gonna look really weird. Um now that the issue
(41:20):
would taking Aid and Hutches and number one overall is
if it's just like a double off the wall and
you're not really swinging for the senses with the first
overall day, you know that said, I mean, if the
guy's floor is Ryan Carrigan and it is stealing a T. J. Watt,
that's not bad, you know. Um. So like, I think
that Hutchinson still the leader in the clubhouse because he
(41:40):
is a safe play here. But they've done a ton
of work on the offensive lineman, and I don't think
that that should be ignored Doug Peterson's history. Uh, if
you look like when they were in Philadelphia and what
they were able to win with when they won that
Super Bowl, that offensive line had Jason Peters and Lane
Johnson and Brandon Brooks and Jason Kelsey on it, and
(42:00):
so you know, I know what the head coach believes in,
and the head coach plays the best for a young quarterback,
and that's to build up the offensive line. So, um,
I do think a Hutchinson's you know, probably the leader
in the clothouse. Thanks for Von Walkers in the mix too,
but I wouldn't ignore how much work the Jaguars has
done on the offensive wideman in particular, the three kids
will probably go somewhere in the top ten. Nikkia Kwanu,
(42:23):
Evan Neil, and Charles Cross. Get him on Twitter at
Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter at the mm QB. Always
good stuff, Albert. Hopefully we'll do it again next week.
You gonna be in Vegas for the Draft. For one,
I'm not no, no, no no, I think I'm I normally
I just need to be by my phone, So I
think that for all. Be next with yeah, very good,
all right, So it's probably safer that way, to be honest.
(42:45):
You know, yeah, Vegas might not be the best place
for me. All right, with good stuff. We'll do it again.
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