April 26, 2022 • 41 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe with Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington believe John Lynch is posturing and publicly negotiating with his comments about Deebo Samuel. The Nets are swept in the first round, so who’s to blame in Brooklyn? And the guys wonder if it makes sense for the Panthers to trade for Baker Mayfield and pitch a reality TV show starring LaVar.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of Two Pros and a Couple
of Joe with Lamar Areas, Brady Quinn and Jonas Knocks
on Fox four Radio. One of the big stories that
we have been monitoring closely here on Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe is the Deebo Samuel situation. I
mean everything from uh, the initial report that he wanted
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a new contract to the social media scrubbing. We got
a lesson in bottle service behavior yesterday after that story
came out that somebody had posted some little church sign
in a club with bottles that said Deebo is staying.
And he gave a throat slash gesture and said, no,
I'm not all of it. I mean, we have got
everything covered here. And then John Lynch, the general manager
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of the forty niners, was asked yesterday about the situation
with Deebo Samuel, and he had this to say, I
can't ever imagine one to move on from TB even
though we don't have a first round pick. You have
to be throwing this process and prepare for everything, and
so you go through and do that. He's just too
good of a player. I mean, you think of two thousand,
nineteen the thirty six pick to come up with someone
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like Deebo, who you know, to me has just been
a game changing player for our franchise. I told Deebo this.
I think he's the perfect illustration her med words used
to talk about when Will meets skill. Debo probably embodies
that as much as anyone. He's a great teammate and
nothing but appreciation for what he's bought. But you just
don't let guys like that walk. I mean, hey, I'm sold.
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Explains the jewelry. Yeah, leaves there. Yes, you know what
he brings up the second round pick, and it's almost
like he's kind of laying down the path for what
they would be able to pick up and replace of him,
or or where they got him and what you know
they feel like they could probably do again. Like I
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feel like there's there's always some hidden words there. There's
a report though, that is has stated that they want
two first round picks for Debos annual. Now I don't
I don't think they're gonna get that for him. I
think they maybe could get a one right we talked
about yesterday the New York Jets giving them their tenth
overall pick. That could probably that might be close to
being enough. You know, in all honesty, it's just straight
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up swap for the number ten overall pick and Deebo,
Samuel um and and again only because you're gonna have
to pay them. And I think the Jets are cognizant
of that. The forty is clearly are cognizant of that.
So that might be why there's not more picks involved.
But I don't know. This thing could could last a while.
They it seems like the forty niner is adamant about
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not moving on from a quote unquote, I don't think
they're gonna take you know, you know, anything at a discount.
They've been patient about Jimmy Garoppolo, same thing. They say, hey,
we're gonna absorb his cap number, We're we're prepared for this,
we know he's rehabbing from an injury. And then they's
they've stated that they believe Trey Lances the starting quarterbacks.
So I think this is an organization that, like especially
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with John Lynch, you know, in the top of the
front office, they're patient. They're not gonna do a deal
that they don't feel like it's right for them. And
if he's going to move, if he's gonna go somewhere else.
It either happens here shortly in the next forty eight hours,
maybe first round of draft day, or doesn't happen till
after the draft, that it could drag on for a while,
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and you're looking at teams who after the draft, after
the undrafted free agents, you get through o t as
a mini camp. You then start to look at the
roster and say, okay, do we need a guy like Debo?
You know, do we want to give up a next
year's pick or potentially potential player for a guy like Deebo.
I think this thing has the potential to go on
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for a while if it doesn't happen here in the
next forty eight hours. You know, the one thing that
comes to mind for me is built up equity. And
when you've had someone who has shown you that they
can do something really good for your for your team,
for your organization, and you know, you gotta take a
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take a step back, and you gotta say, you know,
there's some value to that. Now. What makes it intriguing
is that value was and and pretty much I guess
it would be unanimous that it was greater than any
other player on the offensive side of that ball. And
and so when you look at that value, I think,
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now what what comes into play is looking at the
very thing that you brought up, Q, is that Trey
Lance is going to most likely be the starter of
this team this year. Are you okay with sending away
your most dangerous offensive weapon in in the dawning of
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a new era at at the quarterback's position? I mean,
is that is that the wisest move to do? And
I wonder how much pressure that may be putting on
Lynch and in Shanahan and to have the conversation of
being able to in fact keep Deebo Samuel in in
San Francisco. I also think you got to consider the source.
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You remember that Mac Jones going number three overall rumors
last year, It was the Niners behind that, like they
nobody plays the media like John Lynch, who was a
part of the media, and Kyle Shannon plays it up
and and I just I have a hard time believing
not that they're lying, but I have a hard time
buying that they wouldn't part ways of Deebo Samuel If
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they're not lying, what would you call I would call
it fibbing. I don't think it's I think it's negotiating publicly.
Uh you know, I think there's a big difference between
light lying is what you accuse me of doing. From
time to time. I think John Lynch knows that this
this stuff gets around and and I think, well, look,
I mean he got you gotta get you gotta get dirty.
Sometimes I just think that it was John. Let's just
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first draft, the one where they fooled the Bears, and
the thing in there, take it's for Whisky to trade
up with him one spot, Yes, And I don't think
and you know, they were basically said after the fact,
they're gonna go with Solomon Thomas. And the best part is,
I don't I don't think they actually needed to fool
the Bears or intended to. Just Chicago got really aggressive
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and John Lynch is like, well, if they're gonna lead
us there, let's just continue on, see how any more
picks we can get. And next thing you know, they
moved up one spot and yeah, R Whisky was the pick.
But it worked out well for Ryan based and everybody there,
so you know all as well. I just look, if somebody,
if somebody comes with the first round pick, Deebo appears
to be playing hardball, like he seems like he's dead set.
I'm not going back there. So what would end up happening.
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Would there just be a bunch of fines that would
come through if he doesn't show up for work and
they're just gonna play his hand and try and play
hardball with him, or Okay, so do you do you
do you think that's more likely or more likely they
get something done by Thursday and it's a first round
pick involved, I don't know. I think this thing could
go a while. And and and part because you know,
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with the where the Jets it, you're contemplating a couple
of things, staying put, taking a player you feel like
it could be an a mediate impact player right away.
You know, I was a part of a mock draft
yesterday where this person had them taken Gara Wilson. You know,
so you're you're finding some of that explosiveness. You're helping
out Zack Wilson at the quarterback spot with with getting
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a guy like that, I'm sitting there at number ten,
and so that could work out for you, or you know,
maybe a trade back if someone was to trade up
and it's targeting a quarterback, you know, you're hearing a
lot of things scrolling around this week, and this is
the week where you want to know how you know
you're lying because your lips are moving like that's that's
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how this week. That's how this week works with every
general manager. Well, they could, they could trade back right,
and they could accumulate some more picks to help themselves out,
because I think this is actually a deeper wide receiver
draft class than people realize. So I don't think there'll
be a run on wide receivers in the first round
as much as people think. I think you'll see them
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go off in the second round. Um. And so there's
that potential in this potential that you know, maybe San
Francisco lowers their asking price and they're willing to to,
you know, not want two first round picks. Maybe it's one,
or maybe it's a bunch of other picks that are
outside the first round. There's there's all sorts of scenarios.
I think most lead you to think that the draft
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is gonna come and go, and then we see where
Deebo Samuel sits. I just think it's risky, I really do,
and and and the more I'm thinking about it, regardless
of if he's being deceptive John Lynch that is or not.
And of course we can all assume as as it's
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just been stated that everybody's going to be posturing. No
one is really going to let on to what what
they really want, or what they're really doing, or what
they're really looking at for as long as they possibly can.
But I think there has to be some validity to
them saying you just don't want to let a guy
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like Deebo Samuel get away from your team. I mean,
if if the Jets are willing to give up a
one or and then you think about their doing that
to give Wilson a a weapon, that means they're looking
at this this first round and they're saying perceivably, but
you would assume it would be this year's number one.
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So if they're giving up a number one, that means
that they don't think that there's a receiver that's better
than Deebo at that number one spot. And and so
if i'm if I'm the forty niners, I mean, these
guys are all friends, they all know each other, they
all hang out and they talk. You know, if Deebo
Samuel is is a guy that you you can let
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go or you can't let go, and if you're able,
if you're willing to let him go at a first
round draft pick, I gotta really think about if I'm
gonna you know, what I'm gonna do if I'm the
forty Niners, because I don't I don't feel as though
you have the luxury of putting trade lance in that situation. Yeah.
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I also think to your point, the fact that there's
some familiarity with the Jets because it was last year
when they made the move to three. You only get
that aggressive if you're pretty sure that the guy you
want is going to be available, which means they probably
had a discussion with the Jets ahead of time, like okay,
you're taking Zach Wilson, cool, all right, we just want
to make sure that our guy is gonna be there.
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And the fact that the Jets are now also being
thrown out there, that leads me to believe that maybe
the Niners are are maybe behind that. I just think
this is smoke screen season. I love it. I wish
you could keep track of every BS report and rumor
and then just recap him after we're all set and
done here. But I just wonder did the Niners look
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at this and say, we're better off dealing him now
or waiting until later, And and maybe they're just if
you I don't I don't know. I mean, he's got
to play ball as well. But it doesn't always have
to be doom and gloom every single time a player
wants more money. I mean, the player has to be
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realistic and in their approach, and and that plays a part.
Takes tow to dance, But it doesn't always have to
be gloom and doom. Ah, he's gotta go. Oh, we
gotta deal him. He's got to be dealt Is it
better to get rid of him now or is it better?
It's always better to get rid of somebody now when
you don't think that they can bring the value that
you need. It's always better to get rid of them later.
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When when you think that that that the talent or
whatever has diminished and it's not worth the price tag
would you give I don't think they're I don't think
they're there yet. Would you give him Tyree Killer Davante
Adams money or or over the twenty million dollars that
that he's reportedly seeking. It's always the answer is always
going to be no, because that's the most reasonable and
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sensible approach to these these situations. But at the same
exact time, I wouldn't have given Dak Prescott the contract
that that he would get. So and again I'm telling
you the receiver's position maybe right in front of our
faces evolving and and turning into one of those positions
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where it's just a matter of he's the next guy
up and Deebo Samuel is the next guy up with
the other guys who have received contracts or contract extensions.
All right, if if a team offers a low end
first round pick for Deebo Samuel, you guys doing it
at what? At what point? Okay? So so anything in
the first round you're doing the deal. I mean, it
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depends on your cap structure and and how much money
you have to spend if you're the team trading for him,
and obviously you're the team who who has Devo in
San Francisco in this case, but you have to be
looking at it as you know, we could if you're
San Francisco, we can find a player that we feel
like could provide value with the wide receiver position in
the late first in the second, depending on what we
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all that into or maybe a quality player that we
feel like it's a greater need for us get, you know,
with our systems. So I think you do that deal
and um and you move forward and again you see
if if you know, three or four or five years
down the road, what the track recket looks like for Debo.
As I said yesterday and I'll keep saying it, it'll
be hard to replicate what he did last year. He
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won't be asked to do that because that was that
was the position that Forts were in from a necessity standpoint.
But it's just hard to have that much production because
if you look at what their number one, you know,
the number one weapon you're trying to take away from
that offense when they're clicking, it wasn't really Debot and
it say it's in part because they move them around
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so much. It's really George Kittle, you know, when when
when he's healthy and playing, that's who it is. And
so if it's not and it allows you kind of
a little bit more, you know, utility of how are
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and the I Heart Radio. Ladies and gentlemen, we've been
farewell to the Brooklyn Nets here on this program. Just
the the juggernaut that was the Brooklyn Nets put together.
Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, James Harden was there for a
cup of coffee. I think they all got like thirteen
or sixteen games together. But a four oh series sweep,
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they are done. That is a rap closed the coffin,
the Nets are finished. Uh and Uh. Now the conversation
becomes who gets the blame in Brooklyn based on all
the other you know, uh situations going on Ben Simmons.
We've got more on that coming up in a moment.
Steve nash Kyrie, COVID, etcetera, etcetera. But that's a rap
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on the Brooklyn Nets. A shame. Can I ask this question, um,
because a lot of stuff has come out from from
this whole series, Like there was conversation that you know,
is Steve Nashley had fired. It's like fired, What do
you mean just because they were one of the favorites
to win it before the season, and then we had
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this this this COVID mandate through Kyrie Irving can't even
play home games, which obviously impacts how things are gonna go.
You have James Harden, Ben Simmons, like all these other
issues throughout the course of the year, and they yet
still make it with Kevin Durant essentially carrying them throughout,
and yet it fired after one year, just because this
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is this series of the Celtics, which, again, all things considered,
you're going, I don't I don't really know what to
do with that. But we were quick to jump the
gun on so many things that this being one of them,
like the guy's never you know, had any professional coaching
experience before, right in his first year, they get to
the playoffs and they I mean, I don't know, I
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just I was I was shocked to read that where
some people are calling for a new head coach after
everything else that occurred, which largely is out of Steve
Nash's control. And Kevin Durant spoke after the game and
one of the one of the conversations that we're having
with the media was is Steve Nash the fall guy? Here?
Was Katie just to be clear, do you think that
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Steve is still the right guy to lead this group?
Come on now, Yeah, Like Steve has been Delta crazy
hand the last two years. I had to deal with
so much stuff as a head coach, first time coach, trades, injuries,
you know, COVID, just a lot of stuff you had
to do with and I'm proud of how just focused
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on his passion for us. You know, we all continue
keep developing over the summer and see what happened. But
something's got to change clearly there in Brooklyn. But don't
worry about it because we you know Ben Simmons, that'll
all work out and you know we're all on the
up and up. Um. Just the report that came out
yesterday from Adrian we Snarowski um that Ben Simmons and
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Clutch Sports CEO Rich Paul spoke about the physical and
mental hurdles remaining in the All Stars pursuit of a
return to play, a discussion that made clear the participants
a need to keep addressing the mental side of the process.
He reiterated he does want to continue his career, but
there are still those hurdles both mental and physical to
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get through. For Ben Simmons. You know, what's what's strange
about all of this is that Ben Simmons having no
competitive fire. As as Reggie Miller stated it, um, we'll
will overshadow the scenario that that play overshaddle what took
place in the first round of these playoffs. K D
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is still an amazing basketball player. Kyrie Irving is still
an amazing basketball player, and and you know, they did
what they could do. But what's getting lost here is
that this Boston Celtics team should have been looked at
they they have been looked at as an underachieving team
for the less you know, two years or so, and
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you're looking at a team that you say, are they
maturing enough to be able to take it to the
next step. Maybe our our memory is short, but they
have had a ton of deep runs in the playoffs.
They just haven't been able to to get to that
next level, that next step. Now you've got guys like,
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you know, obviously there's there's Jason Tatum, but Jalen Brown,
you know, Marcus Smart is now healthy and and doing
doing well. This team is balanced and talented enough to
actually contend to come out of the East. And I
think that that's that's going unnoticed. I mean, if we
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think about it, k D has only been a champion
with one team, and that was a loaded Golden State
Warriors team when he had Russ and Hardened and uh uh,
what's a baka? And all those guys in Oklahoma City.
They never got it done. They didn't get it done.
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Kyrie Irving got it done with with Lebron James. So
we're looking at these guys like are they world beaters
and and they're the greatest of of all time and
then they shouldn't be losing and they should be making
a run when in actuality, if you look at what
Steve Nash has done, I think he's done an excellent
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job of what what what he could do with what
he has. Nobody, not too many other people have done
much with these guys as talented as they are. So
I think you gotta take a good heart look at
what Boston they're they're maturing. This was a young team
that people thought, well, maybe they don't have that extra
big man or that that extra weapon that can make
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them a dangerous team in the East. But I think
that they made a statement in this round, and I
think that that's what really is getting overshadowed by Ben
Simmons and maybe even you know, the name recognition and
popularity of Kyrie and Kevin Durant. The problem is the
NBA sells drama like it's it's less about what the
conversation on the floor is and it's about drama. And yeah,
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the Celtics have been I mean they were the best,
you know, obviously the better team. But the fact that
you put these guys together and I look, no, Ben
Simmons or not, you couldn't get one game in this series,
like not, you couldn't get one of these games like swept.
These guys getting swept. I mean, it's a terrible look,
especially when you consider Kyrie Irving left Boston to go
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there because this is what he wanted. And then they
meet up here and obviously Brooklyn was dominant last season,
but they meet up here and you can't even get
a game, dude, Like there's just but that's what the
NBA does. They sell drama. It's less about the stories
on the floor and more about the stories off the floor,
because that's the way this league has been branded. You know,
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I look at this too is kind of a win
for Boston over Kyrie, and I know he's been gone
for a while now, but the reality is that the
way that breakup went, it led you to look at like, hey,
who's gonna be better off when this is all said
and done, because Kyrie, you know, finds his way to
a super team, and you're thinking of your head that
clearly Brooklyn right with the stars that they have. Even
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though how many games Jonas did Harden, Kyprie Irving and
Kevin Durant actually played together, wasn't even that mean I
was gonna say it was like nine or thirteen or
something like that. They had no time together, so that
never ever came to existence really, And then beyond that,
now you look at the addition of a galley Ben Simmons,
which you know, who knows how that's gonna go. Doesn't
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seem like it really wants to play basketball, So I
look at and go he left a great thing that
was a Boston Celtics organization that I think is well run.
I think they have a great staff and they understand
the direction of where they want to go. And he
went for I want to say it didn't sell out,
but he went to a place where I think and
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a lot of stars have done this. They feel like
they're gonna have a better shot by pairing up with
other superstars. Is that era done in the NBA? Because
look at the Lakers this year, granted older the look
at the Lakers, look at the Brooklyn Nets, and so
now we look at the rest of the teams that
currently exist. I don't know that I'm sitting there and
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looking at the Milwaukee Bucks or the Miami Heat or
the Boston Celtics and saying, yeah, they've got that that
three headed monster, that that's gonna end up being that
they're they're superstars, they're gonna guide them to a championship.
Is that arrows that that? Is that done in the NBA.
I'm start to get the feeling like it is it
feels like and then Kyrie can also opt out after
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this season, and there's some thought that he's gonna want
a super Max, which I think is around fifty million
dollars a year. I mean, if you're Brooklyn, you really
want you First of all, you can't depend on him,
and he just comes with a lot. If it's not
in injuries, it's something else, it's some you know, it's
some conspiracy theory, or he doesn't want to play because
he's showing uh, you know, respect to some other thing,
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or he doesn't want to and look the vaccine stuff,
whatever you want to would think of that. That was
also an issue with Kyrie. It just feels like every
year there's something with this guy. There's just there's a
lot of drama that comes with him. And I don't
know if I'm the nets that I want to sign
up or give that kind of money to a guy
who I can't depend on to be a part of
this team because he's always got something going on. To
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Brady's point about Kyrie and the Celtics, I think that
you got to apply the same logic to k D
and the Golden State Warriors as well. You know, the
same exact thing. You know, why why leave? You know
everybody wanted you to stay and well seemingly um and
you left. You chose to roll out and and who knows,
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you guys might have won two or three more titles
together during that point in time. But but as it
applies to you know, Kyrie or this will there be
super teams? I think you got to get to a
point of where the new the new batch of stars
start to really emerge and and and we start to
know who they are. And then once that takes place,
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I would say it's up for debate whether that will
happen again. But one a conversation I was having a
couple of guys and and and buddies of mine and
they actually are NBA guys players. Um is that this
new crop of superstars that are out here don't they
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don't love each other the way that this generation, this
this this group that's getting old and is about to
be done at some point here um or as the elites,
I would say, they knew each other, they loved each other.
You could see them playing flag football games that they
put on television. You know, at times, these guys hung
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out together. They go on you know, boating trips like oh,
Lebron saved uh Carmelow's life and the water and all
this stuff. And you know they're vacationing together, these dudes.
You missed the banana boat and that's what you miss
about the sis. Yeah, there's that. Um and and and
Berto got us off to a good start on that conversation.
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But but again, when you look at this new crop,
they're they're they're going for next right, And I think
that when when you're hungry to try to fit because
it's like you got this old ass man and Lebron James,
who is still the person that we still say is
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the best and the greatest basketball player on the planet.
Them these young guys are not They're not they're not
liking that, they're not agreeing with that, they're not accepting it,
and and so they're playing with a grudge. They're playing
with grudges, and they're playing with a different a different
level of like that that kind of like we're not
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cool mentality. And I think that that's gonna be good
for the NBA moving forward because to me, I don't
know that there is a name that's in the league
that's big enough to to actually replace what Lebron James
has meant to the league. So you're going to need
these young stars to do what they're doing to create
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some parody and maintain some balance because you don't have
that one name, that one brand. I mean, it seems
like they're trying to get behind Johanna's to be that guy.
But I don't know that jan has has that all
like he's a great from everything everybody says, great young man,
the awesome person, you want your daughter to date them,
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and all those different things. But does he bring the
star power to to the to the table like Lebron
did to feel the void that Michael Jordan's was going
to leave once he it left the game. So I
don't know that there's a star that big in the league,
and this younger group knows that. Be sure to catch
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Sports Radio, and that story is what's gonna happen with
Baker Mayfield, who is now all of a sudden a
backup quarterback with the Cleveland Brown. He was on a
podcast recently. I think I believe that was his dog,
uh that was fanning its own nuts on this on
this podcast while Baker's trying to talk about his career
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path and all that. But then a report to yesterday
that came out from Ian rap report of the NFL
Network says that the Carolina Panthers, who were a team
that was listed as a potential landing spot for Baker Mayfield,
that they are not expected to deal for Baker Mayfield
at least before the draft. So potentially another candidate off
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the board and a potential landing spot for Baker Mayfield.
This Carolina might go quarterback themselves in the draft. So
Baker's career continues to be on a little bit of
a hiatus here. So well, they said predraft meaning like
leading up to the first round. Now the Panthers don't
have a pick after the number six overall pick to
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the fourth round, So this is what's gonna take place
If they don't take a quarterback at six X and
I don't know who that is, it could be Malique Willis,
it could be Kenny Pickett, who knows. But if they
don't take a quarterback at six, I think now you're
looking at after Thursday night Friday being in play for
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a potential trade between Carolina and the Cleveland Browns because
they're gonna have that second and third round to sit
there and wait until Saturday before they have to take
another pick. And I don't think they're gonna look at
a viable option to start this year in the fourth
round at quarterback. I don't see any of these guys
that are talked about in the first round slipping to
that point. So you then find yourself going, all right,
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they said predraft, that's probably what it means. They're hoping
to get the guy they want by staying put a
number six, And if they don't, then maybe they looked
at the Baker Mayfield route. But either way, UM, it
sounds like Baker's gonna have to wait a little bit
longer to get some clarity on his situation. I just
don't think anyone is going to be willing to read
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up a contract with Bake Mayfield with the current information
or the current set up of where he's at and
and I I just don't see this being a feasible
move for Carolina. I don't see it being a feasible
move really for for any any team right now at
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that price tag. That's what has put put Baker Mayfield
in the position he's in right now, is that he's
in He's going into that fifth year. They're going to
take care of that, you know, obviously Cleveland has got
to handle that. So now if if he gets traded,
another team has to take on that nut, and then
they also have to be willing to think about redoing
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his contract with how much information. So to me, I
think Baker Baker is in a hard spot right now,
and not the reason why he's in a hard spot
is I think he's going to have to get released
before he gets an opportunity to join the team. And
the longer it takes for him to join the team,
it's probably likely that it's going to be a more
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difficult proposition that he finds himself having the I guess,
the opportunity to compete for a starting job. So if
Carolina makes the move for Baker Mayfield, they're taking on
the eighteen million dollars, correct, So so they would be
taking on his eighteen million dollars for for his fifth
year option, and then they also would have Sam Donald
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as well too, So like what what happens with Sam Donald?
Like that? That's the part where Carolina, I don't know,
like making a trade makes that much sense. For if
he was a free if he was just sitting there
and they could just sign him, I wouldn't totally get it.
You bring him in, it's a competition all of that,
Like why not? But I mean you really think that
they would want to make a move trade wise to
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bring in Baker Mayfield to create that competition and have
to commit to that, to that that money that he
would would come along with him Like that. That's the
part that he was a little strail probably draft a
QB and if they didn't get to QB that they're
looking to get in in some way somehow, you know,
came out of the draft with a QB in a
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later round or whatever it may be. It still has
to come down to Baker Mayfield being let go from
the Browns before any of these teams are going to
make a move on them. And if that is indeed
Carolina that wants to do it, and he gets the
opportunity to try to compete against Darnald for for that job,
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or or even a roster spot with him, considering who
the draft pick maybe if they do take a quarterback.
It's just that it's a complex that's as complex as
it gets for a quarterbacks position by a franchise. If
you ask me, I mean, what other team would have
that that most variables in play to try to figure
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out how do you get Baker Mayfield? I mean Sam
Sam Donald's the starter of their Carolina right A bit
I could do, Yeah, let's walk that back two minutes.
They walk it back though, just for the hell of it,
Why don't you just bring in Josh Rosen to let's
have an all two thousand eighteen draft battle. That'd be
pretty bad at Like, that's something that I don't know
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if it's gonna go anywhere for the team. But you
could do a behind the scenes story like have the
Carolina Panthers produced something about it, like called q P
one question mark, and then you just have them all
battle and compete. I mean, you could get three more,
three more different types of where he went with and
I like it. I saw where you went and I
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liked that is true? That would be really dynamics in
the quarterback room and they see what they're like off
the field. That would be it would be like like
one of those remember this old like MTV reality TV shows, which,
by the way, never get enough credit for being like
the first mover of Reality Team Greed, I totally Real
(33:58):
World first, Reality first, and then like everyone folds, sup.
But MTV never got credit for you because everyone gives
Survivor all the credit for it's the first reality show,
Kiss my ass. Real World was there first, and then
was it? Road Rules? Was the other ones the next one? Yeah?
What a brilliant idea. Hey, let's just follow people around
dropping like a camper, like a yeah, see what happened,
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because we know what happens. Let's all have these people
live together in the house. Philm it, see what happened. Yeah,
that's how Berto got famous. Yeah that's a good point. Now,
let's how you resurrect your career. For some people, now
it's like, well things are going well, how do you
get back in the limelight. Just go live in a
house with some other you know, celebrities, you know sometimes
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washed up celebrities. That's like, that's how you bring it
back around do something crazy in there. That's like the
it was a celebrity rehab. That's the other one where
you see a bunch of US celebrities who claim they've
got subs. Yeah, yeah that too. Um you know, I mean,
you know, Jersey Shore seemed like it's pretty exclusive. Tough
to get off too, but you know it's a it's
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a reality show time you. I mean, you guys are famous.
You guys would ever be a part of a reality show?
Why not? Well, I would be a washed up I
will be one of those washed up athletes that would
be here. I would love to see LaVar in a
reality TV show. I would love to see just him
walking around, his facial expressions when someone does something wild
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or if he starts to get after it. I would
I would pay. I would subscribe to a streaming service
to watch LaVar solely to watch LaVar at a reality
TV I don't I don't think it would be a
true representation because I don't think he would have the
balls to double fist Long Islands, and I think he
goes all out. I think he got I think he
LaVar Arrington leaps into that thing. Yeah, I will watch,
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I definitely will watch LaVar on a reality We just
got to LaVar talk a third person leap of faith
starting LaVar Arrington, and we can just follow you around.
That'd be fun on a lot of fun. I'll be
I'll say this much like even be good studio with LaVar.
I find it highly entertaining. Like I just I would
have Followen around ste what he's up to. It's just like,
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let's see where this day goes. I'm gonna shadow the
bar today. I mean we were at the bar. We
did we did get it popping. That would have hours
in there between between work and between you know, professional stuff,
and then play like I'm like, I'm really curious to
see what the other the other you know, let's say
twenty hours look like I mean, what what's this draft?
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We're gonna look like, LaVar? I mean, how are we
feeling about Thursday? Because you are part of Fox Sports
Radio's draft coverage and we've got the show on Friday,
and then you know we're gonna be up on game
on Saturday. I mean, you going to sleep? How's that
gonna work? No, I'm not going to sleep. I mean
between Thursday and Friday, I don't think you're gonna be
able to sleep sleep. I'll take naps. I'm old, I can't.
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I can't sleep long anyway, So it's like all works
to my advantage. Like, think about this. I was fresh
off of the plane when we did the show on Monday,
fresh like literally fresh off of traveling coast to coast
and jumped on and cracked the mic, which I'll like,
I don't. I don't do the whole sleep thing. So
Vegas kind of fits my mode of how I live,
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you know what I mean. I just and Tricias is
going to make the trip as well, so that's always
a movie as well. You know, you think I'm interesting,
you know she's She's pretty interesting, and so I take
a back seat. So yeah, we'll just be hanging out
and I will be double fisting. I will. I promise
you that at some point in time, maybe more than once,
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I will be double fisting. Well, here's the reality to
that is you can't go to Vegas and not try
to have a good time. So any repercussions from that,
it's more like, well you did send him to Vegas,
Like what do you did? You know I'll be double
fist thing to a dumbbell in each hand right there.
Oh yeah, and I'm gonna I'm going to confirm. I'm
(38:08):
going to find to shake this buddy, shake this shake weight.
Tficial oils right here. You guys are out of control.
I'm going to find out, though, how out of control
Jonas is this? I agree, trust I think I think
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he's gonna duck me. You Labar, don't blink. It'll be
over quick. Hey, I've seen it two beers later. It's
like where Jonascale lost lead to lap A Lee. What
did I ask you yesterday? My first concern when we
were talking about Vegas, I was I needed to know
where something was located at in the hotel. The first
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first concerned yesterday was the gym. Yeah, the fitness center.
I want to know whether the fit a workout before
the sho to I have to, I mean listen, but
as Brady pointed out, I'm just built there. But you
know that's just that's the way this works. You know.
I gotta push my boy. I'm not mad at you
getting to workout in and keeping your routine. I'm really not.
I'm not gonna get your lunch for that. I'm just
(39:12):
thinking that you're going to avoid me though, I don't
think you're gonna I don't think you're going to want
to have that. That's you know, not that moment. Like
like for instance, when me and t J went to
Vegas and did did TV and radio or whatever. You know,
he hung with me. You know, he watched me take
five hundred dollars and turn it into thirty thousand dollars
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and then lose it all in a matter of moments.
I mean, I don't know that you will be able
to handle. I can squeeze emotional roller coasters that I
will send you on. I mean, listen, I can squeeze you,
and I can I can give you a few minutes
of my time probably possibility. I appreciate it. Just flow
me some athletic greens gonna work out in and we're
gonna make sure you put uh slash two pros go
(40:00):
to go to this one, put rady up on on
a little bit of game. When it comes to a
g one, that's where where I operate, It's where I roll.
I've been taking that stuff for four years. Man. I
like athletic greens. People people tend to forget a G
stands for athletic greens. That's what it was something get
me up on that, and I was like, you know what,
I probably don't eat enough greens. I gotta do this,
(40:21):
so I've been using it for a while. It's good
of stuff. Almost no sugar too. I mean, what a
phenomenal well. I mean, if it's it's really plant based, right,
so you expected too much sugar, you know, I mean,
that's that's plant based too. I don't know that that's
the same kind of greens we're talking about. Me. It's
all the same and it's healthy for you. You know,
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a little little little bit of hippie lettis all right.
It is a left handed cigarette left freak on some
crack on Im Johnson and freaing a little bit of
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This is the best of Two Pros and a Couple
of Joe with Lamar Areas, Brady Quinn and Jonas Knocks
on Fox four Radio. One of the big stories that
we have been monitoring closely here on Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe is the Deebo Samuel situation. I
mean everything from uh, the initial report that he wanted
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a new contract to the social media scrubbing. We got
a lesson in bottle service behavior yesterday after that story
came out that somebody had posted some little church sign
in a club with bottles that said Deebo is staying.
And he gave a throat slash gesture and said, no,
I'm not all of it. I mean, we have got
everything covered here. And then John Lynch, the general manager
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of the forty niners, was asked yesterday about the situation
with Deebo Samuel, and he had this to say, I
can't ever imagine one to move on from TB even
though we don't have a first round pick. You have
to be throwing this process and prepare for everything, and
so you go through and do that. He's just too
good of a player. I mean, you think of two thousand,
nineteen the thirty six pick to come up with someone
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like Deebo, who you know, to me has just been
a game changing player for our franchise. I told Deebo this.
I think he's the perfect illustration her med words used
to talk about when Will meets skill. Debo probably embodies
that as much as anyone. He's a great teammate and
nothing but appreciation for what he's bought. But you just
don't let guys like that walk. I mean, hey, I'm sold.
(01:32):
Explains the jewelry. Yeah, leaves there. Yes, you know what
he brings up the second round pick, and it's almost
like he's kind of laying down the path for what
they would be able to pick up and replace of him,
or or where they got him and what you know
they feel like they could probably do again. Like I
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feel like there's there's always some hidden words there. There's
a report though, that is has stated that they want
two first round picks for Debos annual. Now I don't
I don't think they're gonna get that for him. I
think they maybe could get a one right we talked
about yesterday the New York Jets giving them their tenth
overall pick. That could probably that might be close to
being enough. You know, in all honesty, it's just straight
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up swap for the number ten overall pick and Deebo,
Samuel um and and again only because you're gonna have
to pay them. And I think the Jets are cognizant
of that. The forty is clearly are cognizant of that.
So that might be why there's not more picks involved.
But I don't know. This thing could could last a while.
They it seems like the forty niner is adamant about
(02:37):
not moving on from a quote unquote, I don't think
they're gonna take you know, you know, anything at a discount.
They've been patient about Jimmy Garoppolo, same thing. They say, hey,
we're gonna absorb his cap number, We're we're prepared for this,
we know he's rehabbing from an injury. And then they's
they've stated that they believe Trey Lances the starting quarterbacks.
So I think this is an organization that, like especially
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with John Lynch, you know, in the top of the
front office, they're patient. They're not gonna do a deal
that they don't feel like it's right for them. And
if he's going to move, if he's gonna go somewhere else.
It either happens here shortly in the next forty eight hours,
maybe first round of draft day, or doesn't happen till
after the draft, that it could drag on for a while,
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and you're looking at teams who after the draft, after
the undrafted free agents, you get through o t as
a mini camp. You then start to look at the
roster and say, okay, do we need a guy like Debo?
You know, do we want to give up a next
year's pick or potentially potential player for a guy like Deebo.
I think this thing has the potential to go on
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for a while if it doesn't happen here in the
next forty eight hours. You know, the one thing that
comes to mind for me is built up equity. And
when you've had someone who has shown you that they
can do something really good for your for your team,
for your organization, and you know, you gotta take a
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take a step back, and you gotta say, you know,
there's some value to that. Now. What makes it intriguing
is that value was and and pretty much I guess
it would be unanimous that it was greater than any
other player on the offensive side of that ball. And
and so when you look at that value, I think,
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now what what comes into play is looking at the
very thing that you brought up, Q, is that Trey
Lance is going to most likely be the starter of
this team this year. Are you okay with sending away
your most dangerous offensive weapon in in the dawning of
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a new era at at the quarterback's position? I mean,
is that is that the wisest move to do? And
I wonder how much pressure that may be putting on
Lynch and in Shanahan and to have the conversation of
being able to in fact keep Deebo Samuel in in
San Francisco. I also think you got to consider the source.
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You remember that Mac Jones going number three overall rumors
last year, It was the Niners behind that, like they
nobody plays the media like John Lynch, who was a
part of the media, and Kyle Shannon plays it up
and and I just I have a hard time believing
not that they're lying, but I have a hard time
buying that they wouldn't part ways of Deebo Samuel If
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they're not lying, what would you call I would call
it fibbing. I don't think it's I think it's negotiating publicly.
Uh you know, I think there's a big difference between
light lying is what you accuse me of doing. From
time to time. I think John Lynch knows that this
this stuff gets around and and I think, well, look,
I mean he got you gotta get you gotta get dirty.
Sometimes I just think that it was John. Let's just
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first draft, the one where they fooled the Bears, and
the thing in there, take it's for Whisky to trade
up with him one spot, Yes, And I don't think
and you know, they were basically said after the fact,
they're gonna go with Solomon Thomas. And the best part is,
I don't I don't think they actually needed to fool
the Bears or intended to. Just Chicago got really aggressive
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and John Lynch is like, well, if they're gonna lead
us there, let's just continue on, see how any more
picks we can get. And next thing you know, they
moved up one spot and yeah, R Whisky was the pick.
But it worked out well for Ryan based and everybody there,
so you know all as well. I just look, if somebody,
if somebody comes with the first round pick, Deebo appears
to be playing hardball, like he seems like he's dead set.
I'm not going back there. So what would end up happening.
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Would there just be a bunch of fines that would
come through if he doesn't show up for work and
they're just gonna play his hand and try and play
hardball with him, or Okay, so do you do you
do you think that's more likely or more likely they
get something done by Thursday and it's a first round
pick involved, I don't know. I think this thing could
go a while. And and and part because you know,
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with the where the Jets it, you're contemplating a couple
of things, staying put, taking a player you feel like
it could be an a mediate impact player right away.
You know, I was a part of a mock draft
yesterday where this person had them taken Gara Wilson. You know,
so you're you're finding some of that explosiveness. You're helping
out Zack Wilson at the quarterback spot with with getting
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a guy like that, I'm sitting there at number ten,
and so that could work out for you, or you know,
maybe a trade back if someone was to trade up
and it's targeting a quarterback, you know, you're hearing a
lot of things scrolling around this week, and this is
the week where you want to know how you know
you're lying because your lips are moving like that's that's
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how this week. That's how this week works with every
general manager. Well, they could, they could trade back right,
and they could accumulate some more picks to help themselves out,
because I think this is actually a deeper wide receiver
draft class than people realize. So I don't think there'll
be a run on wide receivers in the first round
as much as people think. I think you'll see them
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go off in the second round. Um. And so there's
that potential in this potential that you know, maybe San
Francisco lowers their asking price and they're willing to to,
you know, not want two first round picks. Maybe it's one,
or maybe it's a bunch of other picks that are
outside the first round. There's there's all sorts of scenarios.
I think most lead you to think that the draft
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is gonna come and go, and then we see where
Deebo Samuel sits. I just think it's risky, I really do,
and and and the more I'm thinking about it, regardless
of if he's being deceptive John Lynch that is or not.
And of course we can all assume as as it's
(08:44):
just been stated that everybody's going to be posturing. No
one is really going to let on to what what
they really want, or what they're really doing, or what
they're really looking at for as long as they possibly can.
But I think there has to be some validity to
them saying you just don't want to let a guy
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like Deebo Samuel get away from your team. I mean,
if if the Jets are willing to give up a
one or and then you think about their doing that
to give Wilson a a weapon, that means they're looking
at this this first round and they're saying perceivably, but
you would assume it would be this year's number one.
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So if they're giving up a number one, that means
that they don't think that there's a receiver that's better
than Deebo at that number one spot. And and so
if i'm if I'm the forty niners, I mean, these
guys are all friends, they all know each other, they
all hang out and they talk. You know, if Deebo
Samuel is is a guy that you you can let
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go or you can't let go, and if you're able,
if you're willing to let him go at a first
round draft pick, I gotta really think about if I'm
gonna you know, what I'm gonna do if I'm the
forty Niners, because I don't I don't feel as though
you have the luxury of putting trade lance in that situation. Yeah.
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I also think to your point, the fact that there's
some familiarity with the Jets because it was last year
when they made the move to three. You only get
that aggressive if you're pretty sure that the guy you
want is going to be available, which means they probably
had a discussion with the Jets ahead of time, like okay,
you're taking Zach Wilson, cool, all right, we just want
to make sure that our guy is gonna be there.
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And the fact that the Jets are now also being
thrown out there, that leads me to believe that maybe
the Niners are are maybe behind that. I just think
this is smoke screen season. I love it. I wish
you could keep track of every BS report and rumor
and then just recap him after we're all set and
done here. But I just wonder did the Niners look
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at this and say, we're better off dealing him now
or waiting until later, And and maybe they're just if
you I don't I don't know. I mean, he's got
to play ball as well. But it doesn't always have
to be doom and gloom every single time a player
wants more money. I mean, the player has to be
(11:10):
realistic and in their approach, and and that plays a part.
Takes tow to dance, But it doesn't always have to
be gloom and doom. Ah, he's gotta go. Oh, we
gotta deal him. He's got to be dealt Is it
better to get rid of him now or is it better?
It's always better to get rid of somebody now when
you don't think that they can bring the value that
you need. It's always better to get rid of them later.
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When when you think that that that the talent or
whatever has diminished and it's not worth the price tag
would you give I don't think they're I don't think
they're there yet. Would you give him Tyree Killer Davante
Adams money or or over the twenty million dollars that
that he's reportedly seeking. It's always the answer is always
going to be no, because that's the most reasonable and
(11:52):
sensible approach to these these situations. But at the same
exact time, I wouldn't have given Dak Prescott the contract
that that he would get. So and again I'm telling
you the receiver's position maybe right in front of our
faces evolving and and turning into one of those positions
(12:15):
where it's just a matter of he's the next guy
up and Deebo Samuel is the next guy up with
the other guys who have received contracts or contract extensions.
All right, if if a team offers a low end
first round pick for Deebo Samuel, you guys doing it
at what? At what point? Okay? So so anything in
the first round you're doing the deal. I mean, it
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depends on your cap structure and and how much money
you have to spend if you're the team trading for him,
and obviously you're the team who who has Devo in
San Francisco in this case, but you have to be
looking at it as you know, we could if you're
San Francisco, we can find a player that we feel
like could provide value with the wide receiver position in
the late first in the second, depending on what we
(13:00):
all that into or maybe a quality player that we
feel like it's a greater need for us get, you know,
with our systems. So I think you do that deal
and um and you move forward and again you see
if if you know, three or four or five years
down the road, what the track recket looks like for Debo.
As I said yesterday and I'll keep saying it, it'll
be hard to replicate what he did last year. He
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won't be asked to do that because that was that
was the position that Forts were in from a necessity standpoint.
But it's just hard to have that much production because
if you look at what their number one, you know,
the number one weapon you're trying to take away from
that offense when they're clicking, it wasn't really Debot and
it say it's in part because they move them around
(13:42):
so much. It's really George Kittle, you know, when when
when he's healthy and playing, that's who it is. And
so if it's not and it allows you kind of
a little bit more, you know, utility of how are
you gonna use Deebo Samuel. Be sure to catch live
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and the I Heart Radio. Ladies and gentlemen, we've been
farewell to the Brooklyn Nets here on this program. Just
the the juggernaut that was the Brooklyn Nets put together.
Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, James Harden was there for a
cup of coffee. I think they all got like thirteen
or sixteen games together. But a four oh series sweep,
(14:25):
they are done. That is a rap closed the coffin,
the Nets are finished. Uh and Uh. Now the conversation
becomes who gets the blame in Brooklyn based on all
the other you know, uh situations going on Ben Simmons.
We've got more on that coming up in a moment.
Steve nash Kyrie, COVID, etcetera, etcetera. But that's a rap
(14:46):
on the Brooklyn Nets. A shame. Can I ask this question, um,
because a lot of stuff has come out from from
this whole series, Like there was conversation that you know,
is Steve Nashley had fired. It's like fired, What do
you mean just because they were one of the favorites
to win it before the season, and then we had
(15:07):
this this this COVID mandate through Kyrie Irving can't even
play home games, which obviously impacts how things are gonna go.
You have James Harden, Ben Simmons, like all these other
issues throughout the course of the year, and they yet
still make it with Kevin Durant essentially carrying them throughout,
and yet it fired after one year, just because this
(15:28):
is this series of the Celtics, which, again, all things considered,
you're going, I don't I don't really know what to
do with that. But we were quick to jump the
gun on so many things that this being one of them,
like the guy's never you know, had any professional coaching
experience before, right in his first year, they get to
the playoffs and they I mean, I don't know, I
(15:49):
just I was I was shocked to read that where
some people are calling for a new head coach after
everything else that occurred, which largely is out of Steve
Nash's control. And Kevin Durant spoke after the game and
one of the one of the conversations that we're having
with the media was is Steve Nash the fall guy? Here?
Was Katie just to be clear, do you think that
(16:11):
Steve is still the right guy to lead this group?
Come on now, Yeah, Like Steve has been Delta crazy
hand the last two years. I had to deal with
so much stuff as a head coach, first time coach, trades, injuries,
you know, COVID, just a lot of stuff you had
to do with and I'm proud of how just focused
(16:33):
on his passion for us. You know, we all continue
keep developing over the summer and see what happened. But
something's got to change clearly there in Brooklyn. But don't
worry about it because we you know Ben Simmons, that'll
all work out and you know we're all on the
up and up. Um. Just the report that came out
yesterday from Adrian we Snarowski um that Ben Simmons and
(16:57):
Clutch Sports CEO Rich Paul spoke about the physical and
mental hurdles remaining in the All Stars pursuit of a
return to play, a discussion that made clear the participants
a need to keep addressing the mental side of the process.
He reiterated he does want to continue his career, but
there are still those hurdles both mental and physical to
(17:19):
get through. For Ben Simmons. You know, what's what's strange
about all of this is that Ben Simmons having no
competitive fire. As as Reggie Miller stated it, um, we'll
will overshadow the scenario that that play overshaddle what took
place in the first round of these playoffs. K D
(17:40):
is still an amazing basketball player. Kyrie Irving is still
an amazing basketball player, and and you know, they did
what they could do. But what's getting lost here is
that this Boston Celtics team should have been looked at
they they have been looked at as an underachieving team
for the less you know, two years or so, and
(18:04):
you're looking at a team that you say, are they
maturing enough to be able to take it to the
next step. Maybe our our memory is short, but they
have had a ton of deep runs in the playoffs.
They just haven't been able to to get to that
next level, that next step. Now you've got guys like,
(18:25):
you know, obviously there's there's Jason Tatum, but Jalen Brown,
you know, Marcus Smart is now healthy and and doing
doing well. This team is balanced and talented enough to
actually contend to come out of the East. And I
think that that's that's going unnoticed. I mean, if we
(18:48):
think about it, k D has only been a champion
with one team, and that was a loaded Golden State
Warriors team when he had Russ and Hardened and uh uh,
what's a baka? And all those guys in Oklahoma City.
They never got it done. They didn't get it done.
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Kyrie Irving got it done with with Lebron James. So
we're looking at these guys like are they world beaters
and and they're the greatest of of all time and
then they shouldn't be losing and they should be making
a run when in actuality, if you look at what
Steve Nash has done, I think he's done an excellent
(19:29):
job of what what what he could do with what
he has. Nobody, not too many other people have done
much with these guys as talented as they are. So
I think you gotta take a good heart look at
what Boston they're they're maturing. This was a young team
that people thought, well, maybe they don't have that extra
big man or that that extra weapon that can make
(19:51):
them a dangerous team in the East. But I think
that they made a statement in this round, and I
think that that's what really is getting overshadowed by Ben
Simmons and maybe even you know, the name recognition and
popularity of Kyrie and Kevin Durant. The problem is the
NBA sells drama like it's it's less about what the
conversation on the floor is and it's about drama. And yeah,
(20:13):
the Celtics have been I mean they were the best,
you know, obviously the better team. But the fact that
you put these guys together and I look, no, Ben
Simmons or not, you couldn't get one game in this series,
like not, you couldn't get one of these games like swept.
These guys getting swept. I mean, it's a terrible look,
especially when you consider Kyrie Irving left Boston to go
(20:38):
there because this is what he wanted. And then they
meet up here and obviously Brooklyn was dominant last season,
but they meet up here and you can't even get
a game, dude, Like there's just but that's what the
NBA does. They sell drama. It's less about the stories
on the floor and more about the stories off the floor,
because that's the way this league has been branded. You know,
(20:58):
I look at this too is kind of a win
for Boston over Kyrie, and I know he's been gone
for a while now, but the reality is that the
way that breakup went, it led you to look at like, hey,
who's gonna be better off when this is all said
and done, because Kyrie, you know, finds his way to
a super team, and you're thinking of your head that
clearly Brooklyn right with the stars that they have. Even
(21:21):
though how many games Jonas did Harden, Kyprie Irving and
Kevin Durant actually played together, wasn't even that mean I
was gonna say it was like nine or thirteen or
something like that. They had no time together, so that
never ever came to existence really, And then beyond that,
now you look at the addition of a galley Ben Simmons,
which you know, who knows how that's gonna go. Doesn't
(21:42):
seem like it really wants to play basketball, So I
look at and go he left a great thing that
was a Boston Celtics organization that I think is well run.
I think they have a great staff and they understand
the direction of where they want to go. And he
went for I want to say it didn't sell out,
but he went to a place where I think and
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a lot of stars have done this. They feel like
they're gonna have a better shot by pairing up with
other superstars. Is that era done in the NBA? Because
look at the Lakers this year, granted older the look
at the Lakers, look at the Brooklyn Nets, and so
now we look at the rest of the teams that
currently exist. I don't know that I'm sitting there and
(22:24):
looking at the Milwaukee Bucks or the Miami Heat or
the Boston Celtics and saying, yeah, they've got that that
three headed monster, that that's gonna end up being that
they're they're superstars, they're gonna guide them to a championship.
Is that arrows that that? Is that done in the NBA.
I'm start to get the feeling like it is it
feels like and then Kyrie can also opt out after
(22:45):
this season, and there's some thought that he's gonna want
a super Max, which I think is around fifty million
dollars a year. I mean, if you're Brooklyn, you really
want you First of all, you can't depend on him,
and he just comes with a lot. If it's not
in injuries, it's something else, it's some you know, it's
some conspiracy theory, or he doesn't want to play because
he's showing uh, you know, respect to some other thing,
(23:08):
or he doesn't want to and look the vaccine stuff,
whatever you want to would think of that. That was
also an issue with Kyrie. It just feels like every
year there's something with this guy. There's just there's a
lot of drama that comes with him. And I don't
know if I'm the nets that I want to sign
up or give that kind of money to a guy
who I can't depend on to be a part of
this team because he's always got something going on. To
(23:30):
Brady's point about Kyrie and the Celtics, I think that
you got to apply the same logic to k D
and the Golden State Warriors as well. You know, the
same exact thing. You know, why why leave? You know
everybody wanted you to stay and well seemingly um and
you left. You chose to roll out and and who knows,
(23:52):
you guys might have won two or three more titles
together during that point in time. But but as it
applies to you know, Kyrie or this will there be
super teams? I think you got to get to a
point of where the new the new batch of stars
start to really emerge and and and we start to
know who they are. And then once that takes place,
(24:17):
I would say it's up for debate whether that will
happen again. But one a conversation I was having a
couple of guys and and and buddies of mine and
they actually are NBA guys players. Um is that this
new crop of superstars that are out here don't they
(24:37):
don't love each other the way that this generation, this
this this group that's getting old and is about to
be done at some point here um or as the elites,
I would say, they knew each other, they loved each other.
You could see them playing flag football games that they
put on television. You know, at times, these guys hung
(25:00):
out together. They go on you know, boating trips like oh,
Lebron saved uh Carmelow's life and the water and all
this stuff. And you know they're vacationing together, these dudes.
You missed the banana boat and that's what you miss
about the sis. Yeah, there's that. Um and and and
Berto got us off to a good start on that conversation.
(25:23):
But but again, when you look at this new crop,
they're they're they're going for next right, And I think
that when when you're hungry to try to fit because
it's like you got this old ass man and Lebron James,
who is still the person that we still say is
(25:43):
the best and the greatest basketball player on the planet.
Them these young guys are not They're not they're not
liking that, they're not agreeing with that, they're not accepting it,
and and so they're playing with a grudge. They're playing
with grudges, and they're playing with a different a different
level of like that that kind of like we're not
(26:04):
cool mentality. And I think that that's gonna be good
for the NBA moving forward because to me, I don't
know that there is a name that's in the league
that's big enough to to actually replace what Lebron James
has meant to the league. So you're going to need
these young stars to do what they're doing to create
(26:27):
some parody and maintain some balance because you don't have
that one name, that one brand. I mean, it seems
like they're trying to get behind Johanna's to be that guy.
But I don't know that jan has has that all
like he's a great from everything everybody says, great young man,
the awesome person, you want your daughter to date them,
(26:48):
and all those different things. But does he bring the
star power to to the to the table like Lebron
did to feel the void that Michael Jordan's was going
to leave once he it left the game. So I
don't know that there's a star that big in the league,
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(27:52):
Sports Radio, and that story is what's gonna happen with
Baker Mayfield, who is now all of a sudden a
backup quarterback with the Cleveland Brown. He was on a
podcast recently. I think I believe that was his dog,
uh that was fanning its own nuts on this on
this podcast while Baker's trying to talk about his career
(28:12):
path and all that. But then a report to yesterday
that came out from Ian rap report of the NFL
Network says that the Carolina Panthers, who were a team
that was listed as a potential landing spot for Baker Mayfield,
that they are not expected to deal for Baker Mayfield
at least before the draft. So potentially another candidate off
(28:34):
the board and a potential landing spot for Baker Mayfield.
This Carolina might go quarterback themselves in the draft. So
Baker's career continues to be on a little bit of
a hiatus here. So well, they said predraft meaning like
leading up to the first round. Now the Panthers don't
have a pick after the number six overall pick to
(28:54):
the fourth round, So this is what's gonna take place
If they don't take a quarterback at six X and
I don't know who that is, it could be Malique Willis,
it could be Kenny Pickett, who knows. But if they
don't take a quarterback at six, I think now you're
looking at after Thursday night Friday being in play for
(29:14):
a potential trade between Carolina and the Cleveland Browns because
they're gonna have that second and third round to sit
there and wait until Saturday before they have to take
another pick. And I don't think they're gonna look at
a viable option to start this year in the fourth
round at quarterback. I don't see any of these guys
that are talked about in the first round slipping to
that point. So you then find yourself going, all right,
(29:37):
they said predraft, that's probably what it means. They're hoping
to get the guy they want by staying put a
number six, And if they don't, then maybe they looked
at the Baker Mayfield route. But either way, UM, it
sounds like Baker's gonna have to wait a little bit
longer to get some clarity on his situation. I just
don't think anyone is going to be willing to read
(29:57):
up a contract with Bake Mayfield with the current information
or the current set up of where he's at and
and I I just don't see this being a feasible
move for Carolina. I don't see it being a feasible
move really for for any any team right now at
(30:18):
that price tag. That's what has put put Baker Mayfield
in the position he's in right now, is that he's
in He's going into that fifth year. They're going to
take care of that, you know, obviously Cleveland has got
to handle that. So now if if he gets traded,
another team has to take on that nut, and then
they also have to be willing to think about redoing
(30:41):
his contract with how much information. So to me, I
think Baker Baker is in a hard spot right now,
and not the reason why he's in a hard spot
is I think he's going to have to get released
before he gets an opportunity to join the team. And
the longer it takes for him to join the team,
it's probably likely that it's going to be a more
(31:05):
difficult proposition that he finds himself having the I guess,
the opportunity to compete for a starting job. So if
Carolina makes the move for Baker Mayfield, they're taking on
the eighteen million dollars, correct, So so they would be
taking on his eighteen million dollars for for his fifth
year option, and then they also would have Sam Donald
(31:29):
as well too, So like what what happens with Sam Donald?
Like that? That's the part where Carolina, I don't know,
like making a trade makes that much sense. For if
he was a free if he was just sitting there
and they could just sign him, I wouldn't totally get it.
You bring him in, it's a competition all of that,
Like why not? But I mean you really think that
they would want to make a move trade wise to
(31:51):
bring in Baker Mayfield to create that competition and have
to commit to that, to that that money that he
would would come along with him Like that. That's the
part that he was a little strail probably draft a
QB and if they didn't get to QB that they're
looking to get in in some way somehow, you know,
came out of the draft with a QB in a
(32:12):
later round or whatever it may be. It still has
to come down to Baker Mayfield being let go from
the Browns before any of these teams are going to
make a move on them. And if that is indeed
Carolina that wants to do it, and he gets the
opportunity to try to compete against Darnald for for that job,
(32:32):
or or even a roster spot with him, considering who
the draft pick maybe if they do take a quarterback.
It's just that it's a complex that's as complex as
it gets for a quarterbacks position by a franchise. If
you ask me, I mean, what other team would have
that that most variables in play to try to figure
(32:54):
out how do you get Baker Mayfield? I mean Sam
Sam Donald's the starter of their Carolina right A bit
I could do, Yeah, let's walk that back two minutes.
They walk it back though, just for the hell of it,
Why don't you just bring in Josh Rosen to let's
have an all two thousand eighteen draft battle. That'd be
pretty bad at Like, that's something that I don't know
(33:15):
if it's gonna go anywhere for the team. But you
could do a behind the scenes story like have the
Carolina Panthers produced something about it, like called q P
one question mark, and then you just have them all
battle and compete. I mean, you could get three more,
three more different types of where he went with and
I like it. I saw where you went and I
(33:37):
liked that is true? That would be really dynamics in
the quarterback room and they see what they're like off
the field. That would be it would be like like
one of those remember this old like MTV reality TV shows, which,
by the way, never get enough credit for being like
the first mover of Reality Team Greed, I totally Real
(33:58):
World first, Reality first, and then like everyone folds, sup.
But MTV never got credit for you because everyone gives
Survivor all the credit for it's the first reality show,
Kiss my ass. Real World was there first, and then
was it? Road Rules? Was the other ones the next one? Yeah?
What a brilliant idea. Hey, let's just follow people around
dropping like a camper, like a yeah, see what happened,
(34:20):
because we know what happens. Let's all have these people
live together in the house. Philm it, see what happened. Yeah,
that's how Berto got famous. Yeah that's a good point. Now,
let's how you resurrect your career. For some people, now
it's like, well things are going well, how do you
get back in the limelight. Just go live in a
house with some other you know, celebrities, you know sometimes
(34:40):
washed up celebrities. That's like, that's how you bring it
back around do something crazy in there. That's like the
it was a celebrity rehab. That's the other one where
you see a bunch of US celebrities who claim they've
got subs. Yeah, yeah that too. Um you know, I mean,
you know, Jersey Shore seemed like it's pretty exclusive. Tough
to get off too, but you know it's a it's
(35:02):
a reality show time you. I mean, you guys are famous.
You guys would ever be a part of a reality show?
Why not? Well, I would be a washed up I
will be one of those washed up athletes that would
be here. I would love to see LaVar in a
reality TV show. I would love to see just him
walking around, his facial expressions when someone does something wild
(35:24):
or if he starts to get after it. I would
I would pay. I would subscribe to a streaming service
to watch LaVar solely to watch LaVar at a reality
TV I don't I don't think it would be a
true representation because I don't think he would have the
balls to double fist Long Islands, and I think he
goes all out. I think he got I think he
LaVar Arrington leaps into that thing. Yeah, I will watch,
(35:47):
I definitely will watch LaVar on a reality We just
got to LaVar talk a third person leap of faith
starting LaVar Arrington, and we can just follow you around.
That'd be fun on a lot of fun. I'll be
I'll say this much like even be good studio with LaVar.
I find it highly entertaining. Like I just I would
have Followen around ste what he's up to. It's just like,
(36:12):
let's see where this day goes. I'm gonna shadow the
bar today. I mean we were at the bar. We
did we did get it popping. That would have hours
in there between between work and between you know, professional stuff,
and then play like I'm like, I'm really curious to
see what the other the other you know, let's say
twenty hours look like I mean, what what's this draft?
(36:34):
We're gonna look like, LaVar? I mean, how are we
feeling about Thursday? Because you are part of Fox Sports
Radio's draft coverage and we've got the show on Friday,
and then you know we're gonna be up on game
on Saturday. I mean, you going to sleep? How's that
gonna work? No, I'm not going to sleep. I mean
between Thursday and Friday, I don't think you're gonna be
able to sleep sleep. I'll take naps. I'm old, I can't.
(36:59):
I can't sleep long anyway, So it's like all works
to my advantage. Like, think about this. I was fresh
off of the plane when we did the show on Monday,
fresh like literally fresh off of traveling coast to coast
and jumped on and cracked the mic, which I'll like,
I don't. I don't do the whole sleep thing. So
Vegas kind of fits my mode of how I live,
(37:20):
you know what I mean. I just and Tricias is
going to make the trip as well, so that's always
a movie as well. You know, you think I'm interesting,
you know she's She's pretty interesting, and so I take
a back seat. So yeah, we'll just be hanging out
and I will be double fisting. I will. I promise
you that at some point in time, maybe more than once,
(37:43):
I will be double fisting. Well, here's the reality to
that is you can't go to Vegas and not try
to have a good time. So any repercussions from that,
it's more like, well you did send him to Vegas,
Like what do you did? You know I'll be double
fist thing to a dumbbell in each hand right there.
Oh yeah, and I'm gonna I'm going to confirm. I'm
(38:08):
going to find to shake this buddy, shake this shake weight.
Tficial oils right here. You guys are out of control.
I'm going to find out, though, how out of control
Jonas is this? I agree, trust I think I think
(38:28):
he's gonna duck me. You Labar, don't blink. It'll be
over quick. Hey, I've seen it two beers later. It's
like where Jonascale lost lead to lap A Lee. What
did I ask you yesterday? My first concern when we
were talking about Vegas, I was I needed to know
where something was located at in the hotel. The first
(38:52):
first concerned yesterday was the gym. Yeah, the fitness center.
I want to know whether the fit a workout before
the sho to I have to, I mean listen, but
as Brady pointed out, I'm just built there. But you
know that's just that's the way this works. You know.
I gotta push my boy. I'm not mad at you
getting to workout in and keeping your routine. I'm really not.
I'm not gonna get your lunch for that. I'm just
(39:12):
thinking that you're going to avoid me though, I don't
think you're gonna I don't think you're going to want
to have that. That's you know, not that moment. Like
like for instance, when me and t J went to
Vegas and did did TV and radio or whatever. You know,
he hung with me. You know, he watched me take
five hundred dollars and turn it into thirty thousand dollars
(39:35):
and then lose it all in a matter of moments.
I mean, I don't know that you will be able
to handle. I can squeeze emotional roller coasters that I
will send you on. I mean, listen, I can squeeze you,
and I can I can give you a few minutes
of my time probably possibility. I appreciate it. Just flow
me some athletic greens gonna work out in and we're
gonna make sure you put uh slash two pros go
(40:00):
to go to this one, put rady up on on
a little bit of game. When it comes to a
g one, that's where where I operate, It's where I roll.
I've been taking that stuff for four years. Man. I
like athletic greens. People people tend to forget a G
stands for athletic greens. That's what it was something get
me up on that, and I was like, you know what,
I probably don't eat enough greens. I gotta do this,
(40:21):
so I've been using it for a while. It's good
of stuff. Almost no sugar too. I mean, what a
phenomenal well. I mean, if it's it's really plant based, right,
so you expected too much sugar, you know, I mean,
that's that's plant based too. I don't know that that's
the same kind of greens we're talking about. Me. It's
all the same and it's healthy for you. You know,
(40:42):
a little little little bit of hippie lettis all right.
It is a left handed cigarette left freak on some
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