May 4, 2022 • 38 mins
Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington react to Jaguars Owner Shad Khan trying to prevent Urban Meyer from landing another job. The guys discuss whether or not Ryan Tannehill should be interested in mentoring Malik Willis. LaVar talks about his affinity for Prince and the guys deliver Midweek Awards.
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I mean, we've been looking around for this guy for
quite a while. Apparently he has popped back up. It's
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all the way up until nine am Eastern time, six
o'clock Pacific Here on fs are so. Um, we've been
looking around trying to find where is this guy? Like,
where is he at? Uh? You know, his team's picking
high at top the NFL and the world is yeah.
And in this in this edition, Carmen san Diego is
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being played by a well known actor, Shot Koan. He's
been acting. He has been acting like like an NFL
owner for for years and years now. And um, so
shot Kahn decided, you know what, um, let's go ahead
and make some comments about urban Meyer, his former head coach.
He was talking with Jared Bell of a USA Today
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and um, you know, it was very critical of urban Meyer.
And basically to sum it up, um, he said that
urban Meyer's firing had nothing to do with losses, that
it was an issue of quote unquote truthfulness. He pointed
to past coaches like Doug Morone and Gus Bradley. But
it got to a point to where there was a
truth issue there with urban Meyer and how can you
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work with somebody like that? So a shot Khan, maybe
sniffing some of the some of the news out there
that urban Meyer might have found a new gig, decided well,
let me go ahead and pile on here. We don't
want to pay this guy, and and away we go.
The criticism of urban Meyer is back, even though he's
no longer with the organization fun stuff. That's what I
think this is about. It's the timing of you know,
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the the the announcement or the fact that people are saying,
oh right, urban Meyer might be coming back to Fox
working in TV and Shan Khan is doing everything he
can to put stuff out there. So there's this perception
that he shouldn't be paid and that he was fired
with cause. Well, that's not for us to decide, whether
it's public opinion anyone else. Uh, that's for most likely
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whether it's arbitration or you know, a chord, depending on
where that thing ends up going. But either way, um,
there's a good chance that he's gonna have to pay
him something because as we went through the series of
events that occurred in Jacksonville, it didn't appear as if
it was any one thing that was the cut off
point where he did it. He was fired right after,
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and usually that's what happens when you get fired with cause. Right,
you go out, you make a mistake, you come back
in your boss the next day is like, yep, we
found out about it. Sorry, that goes against everything we
believe in. You're out. That wasn't the case. I mean
the Josh Lambeau kicker thing that you know, p f
T or Pro Football Talk wants to keep using as
if that was the catalyst to all this. It happened
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in what preseason. I mean, So it's obviously you can't
fire a guy for cause for something they did months ago,
or the Chris Doyle hiring or anything else for that matter.
What was the flight home from Cincinnati and and and
on and on it goes. But whatever it was, he
was still employed thereafter. So it's gonna be hard to
fire some with cause if that's the case. And it
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just seems like now there's this, you know, public push
or perception we're now shot con speaking out. It's like,
all right, good to see a shot. We haven't seen
you in a while. You do still own an NFL team,
right you do? You guys just had a draft, right
you guys a number one overall pick. Akin, Okay, just
making sure glad to see you there. I'm trying to
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make sense of why he would break his silence to this.
I'm I'm in toltal agree. And you just had the
number one overall pick, if anything, and and you know
this is no disrespect towards your your pick, but I
would like to hear the reasoning as to why you
took him. That would have been a great first SoundBite
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from you, or or create the the excitement surrounding the
fact that you do have a second year number one
overall draft pick to go with, you know, the first one,
and one's a quarterback and one's an age. Rush in
and build build some excitement in terms of what things
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may look like moving forward. Now. I know you may
be trying to get the public opinion on your side
or whatever it may be, so you don't have to
pay out all that you would owe urban Meyer. But
to me, all this served as was was a disgruntled
a person that that was in a in a in
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a relationship that maybe they felt as though they could
have got more out of their relationship, but didn't, you know,
scorned whatever it may have been that that he he felt.
But you're not placing the importance in the spotlight on
your current head coach. You're not placing the importance in
the spotlight on your latest draft pick. You're not placing
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that that importance on your team. You've placed it on
a person that isn't even a part of your organization anymore.
And that, to he says a lot about why you're
looking at an organization that just can't seem to get
it right, to figure it out. I mean, sometimes the
most simplest things are the most un you know, unadmitted
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things you know that take place. Make your make your
staff feel like they're important, Make make your personnel feel
like they matter, give them some ownership over what it
is that they're bringing to the table. But when you
do things like this, you're basically you're basically taking away
that importance from what these people are supposed to represent.
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And they're sitting there and they're looking at all the
toxic things that are taking place, like, Okay, you're going
to talk about urban this way, you'll probably talk about
everybody else in the organization the same exact way, if
not worth thirteen and fourteen years, they've picked in the
top ten of the draft. And I got news for you.
When you've picked number one overall two years in a row,
and it's not because of a trade man that's not
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an urban Meyer problem. And the idea that he can't
let it go, so you don't want to pay the guy.
I get it, you don't want him to work anywhere? Like,
is that what this is? You find that you hear
the rumblings that he that he might land at Fox
and and it's not even just shot Khan, it's it's
the coverage of that as well too, Like, I cannot
believe that you want to do a deep dive into
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everybody's background that gets hired by network. I mean, do
we want to play the comp game and go through
everybody's background and some of the conversations and commentary on
all of that now that we're gonna be judgmental on it.
It just the whole thing. At some point, you gotta
move on, dude, it didn't work out. You're you're better
off without each other. It's not saying that urban Meyer
didn't make mistakes and mistakes in his time there in
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Jackson Mill. That's fine, But the idea that you're just
continuing to go back to that time you got Doug
Peterson there, you're allegedly happy with your first round picture
on Walker. I think you gotta I saw you got
a fully guaranteed contract like thirty seven and a half
million dollars. I mean, the future should be bright. You're
you've rid yourself of urban fire, and they can't let
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it go. He just can't let it go, and people
continue to have to rip the guy that is now
that he's out the door. Remember the stat I gave
you yesterday about Alabama and how they've had a first
round pick for the last fourteen years. I don't think
Shot Kahan has taken an Alabama football player, at least
in the first round in the past fourteen years. I
was sticking off the top of my head of like
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I mean, and again, I'm not saying that the players
they've drafted having you know, worked out or been misses.
I mean, look, Jalen Ramsey sure fired to me path
to the Hall of Fame. He's that good of a
cornerback and he was clearly unhappy there and they moved
moved on. Okay, so be it. Josh Allen has been
a solid pick so far for them out of Kentucky.
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So I don't want to make it sound like I'm
making the case they have the draft and Alabama player.
It's just odd that like during that period of time
where they've literally had the longest stretch of pumping out
a player into the first round of the draft and
usually some of the best players. This past year Evan
neil Um and having a top ten pick they haven't
used one on a player from Alabama just kind of interesting,
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Like it's it's kind of interesting, how like you kind
of gotta look at the ownership and maybe what he's
looking at. And you know, I realized maybe there's some
other teams to fall into that category, but I don't
know that there's that many other teams that can you know,
actually say the past, well, how many many years they've
had a top ten pick, Like that's an indictment on ownership.
At some point, at some point, you gotta stop point
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the finger. And by the way, this isn't just about
like ownership in the NFL. This is like about life,
Like we as a country, at some point we need
to stop pointing the finger at someone else and like
look within first before we're gonna look outward and like
what can we do better? What can we be better?
That's that's what Sean kan needs to do. He's actually
sit in his office. They're in Jacksonville and be present
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for a year. If you want the Jacksonville Jaguars to
be good, stop worry about other stuff. Stop worring about
your other businesses for a minute, delegate that to someone else,
and try to figure out how to make your football
team successful for once, because outside of a unicorn year
where you know, boy Bortles takes to the a f
C Championship game, it has never been close to that.
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It's never been close to that under his ownership. If
you break up with somebody and both of you are
now in new relationships and one side is still critical
of the other one, you're a loser. Like move on, dude,
like you got somebody else. Move on your bad organization
and a bad franchise. Figure that out and stop talking
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to two people at USA today about your your head
coach who you've parted ways with. Urban Meyer has been
out of there for months and months and months, and
still this is a topic of conversations from urban Meyer.
Not that much, I mean, if at all. I mean,
have we heard anything about Jacksonville from Erban Meyer and
the media. I've not one thing. He's had a couple
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of quotes saying that you know, they didn't win enough
and all that, But it hasn't been anything that's been
amatorian nature or or negative, least not publicly or focus.
Remember that that article that came out there was a
report that said that urban Meyer didn't know who Aaron
Donald was. And urban Meyer came out afterwards like are
you serious? Like is that? Is that a real thing?
But that's people are just are are are are looking
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for any reason. I think it's very likely that urban
Meyer at some point in a coach's meeting was like,
who's that guy over there? Sarcastically, and one of those
rats within the organization ran to the media with it,
like like other rats within the organization ran with all
the other allegations and tried to bury him and make
it seem like he didn't know football, like urban Meyer
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doesn't know who Aaron Donald is. Even if he didn't,
it doesn't it does not matter in the context of
how it was used. It was used to to be defamatory.
It was used to be a diminishing and and that's
that's just that's NFL culture. When they don't don't want
you anymore, it's always you gotta protect the brand, you
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gotta protect the organization, the franchise. That's what comes first,
and you're going to do whatever it is that you feel. However,
as petty as it may, it's may seem, however as
remedial as it may seem, they're gonna do it like
that's what they do. That is what they That is
like the classic. Maybe there's like a rule book that
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gets passed out of handbook as the the guide to.
Here are certain ways that you may want to handle
if someone does something that could be damaging to the
fan base, that that's a part of the organization. You
gotta make them seem like they're dumb, you gotta make
them seem like they they're aloof they don't get it,
or whatever it may be. It's classic one oh one
what what organizations have done. But but make no mistake
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about it. The outlets that exists now have now made
it virtually impossible for for organization and and even you know,
associations to just run rampant with with information that may
not be accurate information too many outlets like Urban can
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release his own statements, other people can release players, they
can release their own statements. Now it's very difficult to
try to do what they are trying to do to
Urban Meyer in the media. At this point in time.
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on this hour, we have got another edition of The Good,
the Bad, and the Ugly. Some midweek awards to hand
out here on Fox Sports Radio. UM. So, I don't
know if you guys knew this or not. Um, but
Ryan Tannehill has had kind of a difficult offseason. So
now he talked yesterday with the media about needing to
go to therapy over the playoff loss to the Bengals,
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just his performance and how he got into a really
dark place. Um, just really you know, upset about that
and open up to the media about it. Um. You know,
for those of us that had the Bengals plus three,
we were good with it. But um, then you've got
the Leek Willis situation, who was drafted by the by
the Tennessee Titans, not to be confused with earlier in
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the week when I thought he was drafted by the Falcons.
But never mind all that. Ryan Tannehill talked about the
plus this receiver too. They tried away a J. Brown.
That is true. Yeah, so A J. Brown is gone.
Um and uh. And so Ryan Tannehill was talking with
the media yesterday and the question was asked about, you know,
maybeing mentoring Malik Willis, rookie quarterback in the league, third
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round draft pick, and he was Ryan Ryan Tannehill's response,
that's part of being a quarterback room in the same room.
You know, we're we're competing against each other, we're uh,
you know, watching the same tape, We're we're doing the
same drills. Um. I don't think it's my job to
mentor him, but um, you know, if he learns learns
from me along the way, then then that's a great thing.
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So there, it is just a quality teammate through and
through that, Ryan Tannehill, Um, you know, I'm sure Marcus
Mariotta took the same approach with him in Tennessee and
just didn't provide any assistance or anything like that to
try and help him out there. But Ryan Tannehill getting
some pushback from a lot of people about his unwillingness
to want to help out a rookie in the quarterback
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room help develop. I mean, like, I've been in quarterback
rooms that have kind of been touching and go or
where you gotta walk on eggshells because the personalities in
that room, and this is one of those that's not
getting off to a great start. I think you always
have to remind guys who are in his position, like
follow the money. You know, they didn't they didn't spend
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a first round draft pick on Malik Willis. That's not
how he's viewed, where the writing is literally on the wall.
They spent a mid round pick on him, and and
because of that, I think it feels a little bit different. Now.
You know, you draft a guy and eventually you know
he might come in and replace you. But the truth
of the matter is fall the money. You know, they're
not getting rid of Ryan Tannehill this year. He makes
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way too much to be way too big of a
dead cap. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, he was
one of the players who wanted a new contract right
He wanted to get another deal, restructures deal. So I
think that's another thing that adds to the conversation of
how this offseason has been for him, is not only
did they not come to the table and renegotiate his contract,
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that did draft a new phase to that quarterback room
and someone who may compete with them at one point.
But I think, you know, look, the way things have
gone for them in the playoffs has been the regular season.
He's played well in the regular season, but the way
things have gotten the playoffs have been revealing and and
kind of similar almost to Alex Smith in Kansas City,
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where you know, look, Ryan Tanner has played well enough
for them being the number one overall seed last year,
and he's played well enough of them to win the
division and go to the playoffs. And and whether or
not the division is tough or not, or it's an
easy division, that's that's neither here nor there. He's done
it and he's been able to get them to a
certain point. I think now the question looms for Mike
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Vrabel and John Robinson, their general manager, is he gonna
be able to be a guy to get him over
the hump? Because there's prob be a general consensus that
the answers no. And that's where we've gotten out to
the NFL, where you know, you're looking for that next
guy who can get you over the hump and win
you was super Bowl, and I think with everything that's
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gone on this offseason, they don't think he's that guy.
So that that's gonna be It's gonna be a tough
pill to swallow. And the only thing that you can
do to change that perception of people's minds going and
do it, go out and win one. And he may
only have a year to do it. You know who
knows what happens in the future too. I mean, them
taking Malik Willis does not stop them from taking in
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next year's draft a first round quarterback. It really doesn't.
So I can see how there's been a lot of difficulty,
you know, for him this offseason. But that's just the
reality of playing quarterback in the NFL. When you're paid
a lot of money, there's a lot of expectations out
of you. I do think it. I find it interesting though,
that Kurt Warner felt the need to chime in, you know.
I mean it's of course, you know, for whatever reason,
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you know, he wanted to chime in. And well, it's
actually a tweet. He offered up his services and just said,
you know, any something along the lines of any young
quarterbacks out there who need a mentor. He offered up
his Kurt Warner, maybe he'll invite him to his next
red carpet premiere. Well, and then they're so similar as
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far as you know, play style to Malik Willis, And yeah,
come on, I mean, we like, why wouldn't you? So
is there a sequel coming out that I missed something?
Is that? Why is he just American underdog? American undergogs?
Overdog at some point. Yeah, he wasn't always under you know,
they became pretty uh well know for what they were
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doing on the field. Now, is it um now is
the sequel to American Underdog? Is it going to be
the portion where um he took Matt Leinart's job in Arizona?
Or is it the time when Eli Manning got benched
and they put him in with the giants? Like? Which? Which?
Which one? Is that going to be? Can I offer
a little perspective on the whole, the whole? You know,
I know your bit is running running out right now,
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probably to continue on with that bit, let me let
me offer this. When a player makes it a point
to address it to that that specific detail of adding
in there, I'm you know, I'm not here to be
his role model or his you know, his mentor or
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anything like that. They're letting it be made known that
they do not wish to assist. And I think that
that's something that you have to ultimately you have to
foul that away. If if you're the organization, if you're
the coach, if you're the positions coach, you have to
foul all the information we're talking about it earlier, collecting
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the data and all the things that are connected to
the speed and the performances and different things like that. Well,
you also got to pay attention to what your players
are saying and how they're feeling. And for him to
say that he's letting you know that this is my
quarterback room. This is still my team until it's not
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my team. So don't expect me to be that guy
that is going out of my way to make this
rookie feel comfortable and confident about eventually taking my job.
And and so to me, when when you hear that
or when you when you see that statement come out
from a player that that that is not going to
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be the relationship between the new the new addition to
to the room and and you still being there as
as the starter and as the leader. I think that
you have to make sure that you guard your new
asset while while making sure that you guard your current asset.
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If if that's what it is, and you feel as
though you can't get any further than what you had,
which it doesn't seemingly look as though, as you mentioned Q,
that they can get that much further with Tannehill, and
that's probably why you know Malik willis lands. I mean,
even though he as late as he did. It's that's
why they go after a Malik Willis You You're not
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You're not going to You're not going to aggressively, at
least by the looks of it here, you're not aggressively
going away from from Ryan Tannehill. But you're also looking
at it as you're running out of time. So when
you see a statement like this, now you have to
be measuring and you have to be weighing what is
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the development of Malik WILLI is going to be and
how do you prepare him to be as successful as
you possibly can knowing that you're not going to get
that that veteran guidance or assistance from from the person
that that is getting pretty much all the firsthand information
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as to how they're running their offense and how they're
running things on that side of the ball. You mean,
go ahead, you know, I'm just and now I don't
go ahead because I'm gonna take it in a different direction. Probably, Okay,
I was justa say, I mean, the reality is, the
truth is it's not Ryan Tannehill's job. He's not paid
to you, it's not so so what are he's saying
is is true, it's factual and and and all that
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I think we're you know, just from being in that
room and understanding when you're the starter, when you're the
back and all that you're always competing. You should be
always competing, and even though you're paid like a guy
that not isn't looking within that room to compete with, right,
Ryan Tannell was trying to look at the Patrick Mahomes
and the Josh Allen's and the Justin Herbert's and the
Joe Burrows and Lamar Jackson's and everyone else who's in
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the a f C that he's competing with to try
to win that conference and then go to a super Bowl.
That's ultimately who his competition is. But that being said,
I mean, as a quarterback, you're still competing every drill,
every day with the guys in that room. And it's
kind of that concept of as iron sharpens iron, so
one man sharpens another. And that's more of the philosophy
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that I think that like I always tried to have
with all of it, Like I always said to myself,
if I'm in there competing with a guy and he's
just flat out better than me, then he should play
like that's just how life is. Like I am comfortable
and confident enough in myself where if I can't beat
this guy out, he's better than me, Okay, go lead
our team. Then go be that guy, and I'll try
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to find an opportunity somewhere else. And if I'm just
not good enough, I'll figure out something else in my
life where I can be good enough. But there's there
is an element to when you're in there and you're
competing where you should want that guy to come out
every single day and push you. You shouldn't want that
guy to come out and make a throw that you're like, dang, Like, Okay,
I gotta work on this, or I gotta try to
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make my arms stronger. I gotta try to, you know,
work on my mobility or work on some different arm angles,
Like I need to work on some of that. I
need to work on my condition, I need to work
on my agility, maybe my moving into the pocket. Whatever
it is, Like you want to feel that challenge if
you're Ryan Tannehill, like this could create a spark for him.
You know, people talk about and try to correlate Jordan's
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love being in Green Bay and two back to back
seasons for Aaron Rodgers. I mean the reality is maybe
that's a constant reminder to him every time he's in
that quarterback room of what the packers that did and
then the motivation behind it. You could say it's it's not,
but when you've got a living, breathing person in that
room across from you, Yeah, it's gonna be a reminder
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to you. So you can't help it but feel a
little bit more intense, a little bit more triggered to
one of say, I'm gonna go out improved to these
guys within our own organization that I'm good enough to
be the guy. So he may not want to mentor
Malik Willis, but I'll put it this way, if Malik
Willis is going out there and challenging him every day,
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you're gonna get the best out of Ryan Tannell, or
at least he's gonna be pushed to play and perform
at his best. I just the technicality he bothers me.
Just from this standpoint, it's not his job to mentor
absolutely not his job. We've heard other players say something
similar along the lines. But you know, it's also not
in mandatory for me to want to help an elderly
woman out of the store with their groceries. But I
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want to do it, Like if I see it, I
want to do it. I want to be able to
offer up some sort of assistance, some sort of help,
like you don't have to tip the weight or at
the at the restaurant, you don't have to, but you
probably should. I mean, it's it's it's the nice thing
to do. Dude, he's a young player in the league.
If you're that good, you were given an opportunity to
revitalize your career. In Tennessee. They they opened up to
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you and said, hey, if you can beat out Marcus
Mariota for the job, the job is yours. The idea
that he's not willing to play by these rules at
this point in his career, like there's probably a little
bit of an insecurity there, and look there there's There
was stories out of Miami when that he made some
comments to practice squad players that that people in the
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media overheard in which uh he was practice squad players
were told, hey, you know, uh, go easy because they
were kind of talking some trash because they were picking
him off in practice. And one of the quotes he
gave to them was enjoy your practice squad paycheck. So
like he does have this to him to where he
gets a little bite and all the point is, and
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I get what you're saying, because you're right and what
you're saying. He made it a point to include that
as a quote, so he wanted it to be made
known that that's how he feels about it. And there's
nothing wrong with him feeling that way. Again, like like
it was stated, it's not his job to help, you know,
prepare his his eventual seemingly replacement. The idea of it
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is is that you're building a camaraderie. It's it's a
room where you you have, you know, rapport with one another,
you network. You know, this guy may turn into a
Hall of fame Yeah, he may. It may turn into
a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback. And you can say
you had a small part to do with the development,
or you were in the room with him at one
(28:06):
point time. I mean just that Kurt Warner indeed indeed.
And so so the idea of it for me is,
you know, Trent Green, I think took credit for Kurt Warner,
you know, so I think I think you shouldn't come
after Kurt was before. I think he I think he
took Trent's job. In fact, yeah, he think his trying
(28:27):
and hurt his knee in Yeah. By the way, you
know Brady's poor name was Mark Boulgers from right That
that one actually is true. We talked about that in length.
He's not he's not lying. That's your name. That would
be it. Yeah, it was that and one other one
Jonas made up that. I was like, okay, yeah, that
could work. It was Wesley Pipes. I just think he
(28:49):
could have he could have left the I'm not gonna
be that guy to him out of his quote. Yeah,
you know, he could have left that out because at
the end of the day, it's an unstayed deal where
you can choose. Right, you had the right to choose.
Ask him, he offered it. You know you could choose,
and even if they did ask him, you can choose.
(29:10):
You know, that's that's your choice. Is your choice. You
want to you want to take him under your wing,
you want to bring him over for dinner, you know,
he becomes the godfather to your kids and stuff like that,
or uncle uncle Malik. You know, you can choose that
or but but what you don't have to do is
make it now a public thing. Now you've put a
(29:31):
spotlight on it, where that's something that they're going to
foul away and they're going to pay attention to now.
And I'm just surprised that no one's used the button
so far in this whole What do you mean? What
do you mean? I mean caught up the button? So
if he was if he were a young that button
Mark Mark Bulgers, if he were a yacht he looked
(29:53):
just like Tannehill. Yeah, I mean the leaks Bulger No,
I you oh man, I was lost. Someone's going to
use the bunet you know, that's just yeah. I mean
(30:14):
there's a couple of different reasons. Quarterback, what is that? Berta?
What is that? Mike marts Mike Martch's talking about Mark Boulger.
Mark Boulger is our quarterback. Ye but yeah, but yeah,
but doesn't make sense. I mean that sounds like the
adult version of it. Oh man, I'll never forget when
(30:37):
he told me you don't want to come here when
he was in Detroit conversations. Yeah, but like all my
way that's trapped. That was one of my first introductions
to like, oh that's how this Goes was like, all right,
well hang out here for a little bit, and then
hope is Mark is Mike Mart's a good guy. I've
heard j Cutler talk about him a couple of times.
(30:59):
He's super. Jay Cutler talked about him, said, dude, he's
the best like he and and total sense of humor
and like if you overrule his calls, like Cutler I
think flipped him off at one time or did something
on the field, and Marx wasn't upset about it at all.
He's like, no, I get it, like whatever, like it
just I think it was the fact that they were
running some seven step drop like where they couldn't protect them.
(31:21):
I don't even if there are seven man protections at
that point. I think it was in lieu of that,
like you want to get the ball out quicker, well listen,
I mean, you know, Olan Cruz is the center. I
don't know if you followed that story recently, but apparently
h Ollen Cruz assaulted a co worker earlier this week
at a Chicago media company, and then when the story
broke on Twitter, Olan Cruz posted the quote from Mike
(31:43):
Tyson that said social media made everybody a little bit
too comfortable to run their mouth and uh so then
we get to wait to see how that plays out.
Your yeah, talked about it, Olan, No mean, I mean
it wasn't like a Prince situation where I would have
(32:05):
dated Prince. Jeez, I would have dated him. Maybe I
would have, maybe I'd have had regrets later, but you know,
I would have had to have just you know, we
had you want to you want to go out with me, Prince,
but you want to go out with me? I mean,
would you have taken less money to go to the
(32:26):
Vikings knowing that Prince was a Vikings fan? I mean
if if going to his concerts and getting backstage passes
was a part of the deal, I mean, I would
have to entertain. I mean, assuming you're dating, that would
probably come with that would be one of the perks. Well,
I mean I didn't know we were dating before that
took place, but if we were dating, of course, of
course I would go to me. Who want to be
(32:49):
closer to the person they're dating. All the things we've
talked about in the history of us working together, I've
never thought LaVar was gonna say that. Man said, I
love the curveballs. I would love to tell everyone that
I'm joking, but you know I looked at him all right,
(33:10):
and you know what the like there is something too
that like I've been watching that we crashed serious whenever
you get a time about Adam Newman, the guy started
we work and like it was like the same thing,
like he had trans he would get people to believe
in him and the stories they tell on how eccentric
he was, but even just like the money he would
spend and how you're like you're looking at the balance
(33:32):
sheets and you're like, this isn't sustainable, this isn't gonna work.
And literally people kept investing in him because he was
there was something about his aura about him and the
manifest things like prince like like Prince yeah, I mean
with his music and his dancing and his his high
heeled boots. You know how tall was he actually? Bro
(33:54):
He looked like five six if ian He had me
all right that I don't know that you can and
I don't know that you could even get the five
to here you go five. He looked a you gonna say,
you know, I've already incriminated myself and the people are
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I teg get No, I'm sorry. I got carried away
and got good pipes one that has got me awake. Yeah,
(35:44):
Athletic greens Man good pipes. Uh, that's something we do
every single week. It it's called this. There are some
good things that happen, and there's some bad, and then
there's some downright ugly. Thinks it's Type four good, bad
(36:04):
and lovely, and away we go lead the lap. Who's
got what this week? As we do every week, we
start with the good LaVar you got good this week? Oh?
The good, the good, the good? What is the good?
You know you want to know what's good for me?
I'm going out of town this Friday to go to Scranton, Pennsylvania.
Scrant p a home of dunder Mifflin. I don't know
(36:28):
about all that. What you got? What you like that? Well,
I will be there to see my oldest son, Kino Arrington,
play in his first football spring game at Lackawanna College.
I'm pretty excited about that. Uh, he's a captain, he's
(36:49):
starting and yeah, and if you know anything about Lackawanna College,
that's one of the best Jukos to go to for pipeline.
It's a pipeline. So I'm pretty excited for him, pretty
pretty happy for him, and I'm I'm really really glad
to be going to see him. So that's my good
Scran's nera Wilkes Bear Right there you go, right next
(37:10):
to the home of the the Penguins. Uh you know,
Minor League of Hilly. There you go. Yeah, Lee, who's
got what? As far as the bad guys, I don't
like mascots are the best, by the way, I don't
know why, but like I remember growing up and being
a Cleveland baseball fan. So now the Guardians. I loved
the Buffalo Bison. I think that was the Triple A team.
(37:33):
I thought that was the coolest hat coolest logo. I
was like, I was a huge, like Buffalo Bison fan.
Now I think, um, Columbus is there the Triple A team.
But Jonas, let us know what was bad? Well, I mean,
I was going to point out something I saw in
Las Vegas. It was bad. I'd like to point out her. Breathe,
(37:53):
my god. Here here's the bad. The fact that Brady
just hadn't refer to his boyhood baseball team as the
Cleveland and baseball team. That's who we're at that he
can't even have to refer to as what they were.
There's an entire movie series done on that Cleveland baseball team. Unbelievable. Alright,
Lee Brady, what was ugly last night? Draymond Green gets elbowed,
(38:14):
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fans are just booing on and he flips him off.
I got a little ugly, but yeah, come on, we
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I mean, we've been looking around for this guy for
quite a while. Apparently he has popped back up. It's
(00:43):
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looking around trying to find where is this guy? Like,
where is he at? Uh? You know, his team's picking
high at top the NFL and the world is yeah.
And in this in this edition, Carmen san Diego is
(01:28):
being played by a well known actor, Shot Koan. He's
been acting. He has been acting like like an NFL
owner for for years and years now. And um, so
shot Kahn decided, you know what, um, let's go ahead
and make some comments about urban Meyer, his former head coach.
He was talking with Jared Bell of a USA Today
(01:51):
and um, you know, it was very critical of urban Meyer.
And basically to sum it up, um, he said that
urban Meyer's firing had nothing to do with losses, that
it was an issue of quote unquote truthfulness. He pointed
to past coaches like Doug Morone and Gus Bradley. But
it got to a point to where there was a
truth issue there with urban Meyer and how can you
(02:13):
work with somebody like that? So a shot Khan, maybe
sniffing some of the some of the news out there
that urban Meyer might have found a new gig, decided well,
let me go ahead and pile on here. We don't
want to pay this guy, and and away we go.
The criticism of urban Meyer is back, even though he's
no longer with the organization fun stuff. That's what I
think this is about. It's the timing of you know,
(02:34):
the the the announcement or the fact that people are saying,
oh right, urban Meyer might be coming back to Fox
working in TV and Shan Khan is doing everything he
can to put stuff out there. So there's this perception
that he shouldn't be paid and that he was fired
with cause. Well, that's not for us to decide, whether
it's public opinion anyone else. Uh, that's for most likely
(02:56):
whether it's arbitration or you know, a chord, depending on
where that thing ends up going. But either way, um,
there's a good chance that he's gonna have to pay
him something because as we went through the series of
events that occurred in Jacksonville, it didn't appear as if
it was any one thing that was the cut off
point where he did it. He was fired right after,
(03:18):
and usually that's what happens when you get fired with cause. Right,
you go out, you make a mistake, you come back
in your boss the next day is like, yep, we
found out about it. Sorry, that goes against everything we
believe in. You're out. That wasn't the case. I mean
the Josh Lambeau kicker thing that you know, p f
T or Pro Football Talk wants to keep using as
if that was the catalyst to all this. It happened
(03:40):
in what preseason. I mean, So it's obviously you can't
fire a guy for cause for something they did months ago,
or the Chris Doyle hiring or anything else for that matter.
What was the flight home from Cincinnati and and and
on and on it goes. But whatever it was, he
was still employed thereafter. So it's gonna be hard to
fire some with cause if that's the case. And it
(04:02):
just seems like now there's this, you know, public push
or perception we're now shot con speaking out. It's like,
all right, good to see a shot. We haven't seen
you in a while. You do still own an NFL team,
right you do? You guys just had a draft, right
you guys a number one overall pick. Akin, Okay, just
making sure glad to see you there. I'm trying to
(04:25):
make sense of why he would break his silence to this.
I'm I'm in toltal agree. And you just had the
number one overall pick, if anything, and and you know
this is no disrespect towards your your pick, but I
would like to hear the reasoning as to why you
took him. That would have been a great first SoundBite
(04:46):
from you, or or create the the excitement surrounding the
fact that you do have a second year number one
overall draft pick to go with, you know, the first one,
and one's a quarterback and one's an age. Rush in
and build build some excitement in terms of what things
(05:07):
may look like moving forward. Now. I know you may
be trying to get the public opinion on your side
or whatever it may be, so you don't have to
pay out all that you would owe urban Meyer. But
to me, all this served as was was a disgruntled
a person that that was in a in a in
(05:29):
a relationship that maybe they felt as though they could
have got more out of their relationship, but didn't, you know,
scorned whatever it may have been that that he he felt.
But you're not placing the importance in the spotlight on
your current head coach. You're not placing the importance in
the spotlight on your latest draft pick. You're not placing
(05:53):
that that importance on your team. You've placed it on
a person that isn't even a part of your organization anymore.
And that, to he says a lot about why you're
looking at an organization that just can't seem to get
it right, to figure it out. I mean, sometimes the
most simplest things are the most un you know, unadmitted
(06:13):
things you know that take place. Make your make your
staff feel like they're important, Make make your personnel feel
like they matter, give them some ownership over what it
is that they're bringing to the table. But when you
do things like this, you're basically you're basically taking away
that importance from what these people are supposed to represent.
(06:35):
And they're sitting there and they're looking at all the
toxic things that are taking place, like, Okay, you're going
to talk about urban this way, you'll probably talk about
everybody else in the organization the same exact way, if
not worth thirteen and fourteen years, they've picked in the
top ten of the draft. And I got news for you.
When you've picked number one overall two years in a row,
and it's not because of a trade man that's not
(06:57):
an urban Meyer problem. And the idea that he can't
let it go, so you don't want to pay the guy.
I get it, you don't want him to work anywhere? Like,
is that what this is? You find that you hear
the rumblings that he that he might land at Fox
and and it's not even just shot Khan, it's it's
the coverage of that as well too, Like, I cannot
believe that you want to do a deep dive into
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everybody's background that gets hired by network. I mean, do
we want to play the comp game and go through
everybody's background and some of the conversations and commentary on
all of that now that we're gonna be judgmental on it.
It just the whole thing. At some point, you gotta
move on, dude, it didn't work out. You're you're better
off without each other. It's not saying that urban Meyer
didn't make mistakes and mistakes in his time there in
(07:41):
Jackson Mill. That's fine, But the idea that you're just
continuing to go back to that time you got Doug
Peterson there, you're allegedly happy with your first round picture
on Walker. I think you gotta I saw you got
a fully guaranteed contract like thirty seven and a half
million dollars. I mean, the future should be bright. You're
you've rid yourself of urban fire, and they can't let
(08:01):
it go. He just can't let it go, and people
continue to have to rip the guy that is now
that he's out the door. Remember the stat I gave
you yesterday about Alabama and how they've had a first
round pick for the last fourteen years. I don't think
Shot Kahan has taken an Alabama football player, at least
in the first round in the past fourteen years. I
was sticking off the top of my head of like
(08:22):
I mean, and again, I'm not saying that the players
they've drafted having you know, worked out or been misses.
I mean, look, Jalen Ramsey sure fired to me path
to the Hall of Fame. He's that good of a
cornerback and he was clearly unhappy there and they moved
moved on. Okay, so be it. Josh Allen has been
a solid pick so far for them out of Kentucky.
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So I don't want to make it sound like I'm
making the case they have the draft and Alabama player.
It's just odd that like during that period of time
where they've literally had the longest stretch of pumping out
a player into the first round of the draft and
usually some of the best players. This past year Evan
neil Um and having a top ten pick they haven't
used one on a player from Alabama just kind of interesting,
(09:07):
Like it's it's kind of interesting, how like you kind
of gotta look at the ownership and maybe what he's
looking at. And you know, I realized maybe there's some
other teams to fall into that category, but I don't
know that there's that many other teams that can you know,
actually say the past, well, how many many years they've
had a top ten pick, Like that's an indictment on ownership.
At some point, at some point, you gotta stop point
(09:28):
the finger. And by the way, this isn't just about
like ownership in the NFL. This is like about life,
Like we as a country, at some point we need
to stop pointing the finger at someone else and like
look within first before we're gonna look outward and like
what can we do better? What can we be better?
That's that's what Sean kan needs to do. He's actually
sit in his office. They're in Jacksonville and be present
(09:51):
for a year. If you want the Jacksonville Jaguars to
be good, stop worry about other stuff. Stop worring about
your other businesses for a minute, delegate that to someone else,
and try to figure out how to make your football
team successful for once, because outside of a unicorn year
where you know, boy Bortles takes to the a f
C Championship game, it has never been close to that.
(10:12):
It's never been close to that under his ownership. If
you break up with somebody and both of you are
now in new relationships and one side is still critical
of the other one, you're a loser. Like move on, dude,
like you got somebody else. Move on your bad organization
and a bad franchise. Figure that out and stop talking
(10:33):
to two people at USA today about your your head
coach who you've parted ways with. Urban Meyer has been
out of there for months and months and months, and
still this is a topic of conversations from urban Meyer.
Not that much, I mean, if at all. I mean,
have we heard anything about Jacksonville from Erban Meyer and
the media. I've not one thing. He's had a couple
(10:55):
of quotes saying that you know, they didn't win enough
and all that, But it hasn't been anything that's been
amatorian nature or or negative, least not publicly or focus.
Remember that that article that came out there was a
report that said that urban Meyer didn't know who Aaron
Donald was. And urban Meyer came out afterwards like are
you serious? Like is that? Is that a real thing?
But that's people are just are are are are looking
(11:19):
for any reason. I think it's very likely that urban
Meyer at some point in a coach's meeting was like,
who's that guy over there? Sarcastically, and one of those
rats within the organization ran to the media with it,
like like other rats within the organization ran with all
the other allegations and tried to bury him and make
it seem like he didn't know football, like urban Meyer
(11:40):
doesn't know who Aaron Donald is. Even if he didn't,
it doesn't it does not matter in the context of
how it was used. It was used to to be defamatory.
It was used to be a diminishing and and that's
that's just that's NFL culture. When they don't don't want
you anymore, it's always you gotta protect the brand, you
(12:05):
gotta protect the organization, the franchise. That's what comes first,
and you're going to do whatever it is that you feel. However,
as petty as it may, it's may seem, however as
remedial as it may seem, they're gonna do it like
that's what they do. That is what they That is
like the classic. Maybe there's like a rule book that
(12:26):
gets passed out of handbook as the the guide to.
Here are certain ways that you may want to handle
if someone does something that could be damaging to the
fan base, that that's a part of the organization. You
gotta make them seem like they're dumb, you gotta make
them seem like they they're aloof they don't get it,
or whatever it may be. It's classic one oh one
what what organizations have done. But but make no mistake
(12:50):
about it. The outlets that exists now have now made
it virtually impossible for for organization and and even you know,
associations to just run rampant with with information that may
not be accurate information too many outlets like Urban can
(13:13):
release his own statements, other people can release players, they
can release their own statements. Now it's very difficult to
try to do what they are trying to do to
Urban Meyer in the media. At this point in time.
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on this hour, we have got another edition of The Good,
the Bad, and the Ugly. Some midweek awards to hand
out here on Fox Sports Radio. UM. So, I don't
know if you guys knew this or not. Um, but
Ryan Tannehill has had kind of a difficult offseason. So
now he talked yesterday with the media about needing to
go to therapy over the playoff loss to the Bengals,
(14:42):
just his performance and how he got into a really
dark place. Um, just really you know, upset about that
and open up to the media about it. Um. You know,
for those of us that had the Bengals plus three,
we were good with it. But um, then you've got
the Leek Willis situation, who was drafted by the by
the Tennessee Titans, not to be confused with earlier in
(15:02):
the week when I thought he was drafted by the Falcons.
But never mind all that. Ryan Tannehill talked about the
plus this receiver too. They tried away a J. Brown.
That is true. Yeah, so A J. Brown is gone.
Um and uh. And so Ryan Tannehill was talking with
the media yesterday and the question was asked about, you know,
maybeing mentoring Malik Willis, rookie quarterback in the league, third
(15:24):
round draft pick, and he was Ryan Ryan Tannehill's response,
that's part of being a quarterback room in the same room.
You know, we're we're competing against each other, we're uh,
you know, watching the same tape, We're we're doing the
same drills. Um. I don't think it's my job to
mentor him, but um, you know, if he learns learns
from me along the way, then then that's a great thing.
(15:45):
So there, it is just a quality teammate through and
through that, Ryan Tannehill, Um, you know, I'm sure Marcus
Mariotta took the same approach with him in Tennessee and
just didn't provide any assistance or anything like that to
try and help him out there. But Ryan Tannehill getting
some pushback from a lot of people about his unwillingness
to want to help out a rookie in the quarterback
(16:05):
room help develop. I mean, like, I've been in quarterback
rooms that have kind of been touching and go or
where you gotta walk on eggshells because the personalities in
that room, and this is one of those that's not
getting off to a great start. I think you always
have to remind guys who are in his position, like
follow the money. You know, they didn't they didn't spend
(16:27):
a first round draft pick on Malik Willis. That's not
how he's viewed, where the writing is literally on the wall.
They spent a mid round pick on him, and and
because of that, I think it feels a little bit different. Now.
You know, you draft a guy and eventually you know
he might come in and replace you. But the truth
of the matter is fall the money. You know, they're
not getting rid of Ryan Tannehill this year. He makes
(16:48):
way too much to be way too big of a
dead cap. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, he was
one of the players who wanted a new contract right
He wanted to get another deal, restructures deal. So I
think that's another thing that adds to the conversation of
how this offseason has been for him, is not only
did they not come to the table and renegotiate his contract,
(17:10):
that did draft a new phase to that quarterback room
and someone who may compete with them at one point.
But I think, you know, look, the way things have
gone for them in the playoffs has been the regular season.
He's played well in the regular season, but the way
things have gotten the playoffs have been revealing and and
kind of similar almost to Alex Smith in Kansas City,
(17:32):
where you know, look, Ryan Tanner has played well enough
for them being the number one overall seed last year,
and he's played well enough of them to win the
division and go to the playoffs. And and whether or
not the division is tough or not, or it's an
easy division, that's that's neither here nor there. He's done
it and he's been able to get them to a
certain point. I think now the question looms for Mike
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Vrabel and John Robinson, their general manager, is he gonna
be able to be a guy to get him over
the hump? Because there's prob be a general consensus that
the answers no. And that's where we've gotten out to
the NFL, where you know, you're looking for that next
guy who can get you over the hump and win
you was super Bowl, and I think with everything that's
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gone on this offseason, they don't think he's that guy.
So that that's gonna be It's gonna be a tough
pill to swallow. And the only thing that you can
do to change that perception of people's minds going and
do it, go out and win one. And he may
only have a year to do it. You know who
knows what happens in the future too. I mean, them
taking Malik Willis does not stop them from taking in
(18:33):
next year's draft a first round quarterback. It really doesn't.
So I can see how there's been a lot of difficulty,
you know, for him this offseason. But that's just the
reality of playing quarterback in the NFL. When you're paid
a lot of money, there's a lot of expectations out
of you. I do think it. I find it interesting though,
that Kurt Warner felt the need to chime in, you know.
I mean it's of course, you know, for whatever reason,
(18:56):
you know, he wanted to chime in. And well, it's
actually a tweet. He offered up his services and just said,
you know, any something along the lines of any young
quarterbacks out there who need a mentor. He offered up
his Kurt Warner, maybe he'll invite him to his next
red carpet premiere. Well, and then they're so similar as
(19:17):
far as you know, play style to Malik Willis, And yeah,
come on, I mean, we like, why wouldn't you? So
is there a sequel coming out that I missed something?
Is that? Why is he just American underdog? American undergogs?
Overdog at some point. Yeah, he wasn't always under you know,
they became pretty uh well know for what they were
(19:40):
doing on the field. Now, is it um now is
the sequel to American Underdog? Is it going to be
the portion where um he took Matt Leinart's job in Arizona?
Or is it the time when Eli Manning got benched
and they put him in with the giants? Like? Which? Which?
Which one? Is that going to be? Can I offer
a little perspective on the whole, the whole? You know,
I know your bit is running running out right now,
(20:04):
probably to continue on with that bit, let me let
me offer this. When a player makes it a point
to address it to that that specific detail of adding
in there, I'm you know, I'm not here to be
his role model or his you know, his mentor or
(20:24):
anything like that. They're letting it be made known that
they do not wish to assist. And I think that
that's something that you have to ultimately you have to
foul that away. If if you're the organization, if you're
the coach, if you're the positions coach, you have to
foul all the information we're talking about it earlier, collecting
(20:47):
the data and all the things that are connected to
the speed and the performances and different things like that. Well,
you also got to pay attention to what your players
are saying and how they're feeling. And for him to
say that he's letting you know that this is my
quarterback room. This is still my team until it's not
(21:09):
my team. So don't expect me to be that guy
that is going out of my way to make this
rookie feel comfortable and confident about eventually taking my job.
And and so to me, when when you hear that
or when you when you see that statement come out
from a player that that that is not going to
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be the relationship between the new the new addition to
to the room and and you still being there as
as the starter and as the leader. I think that
you have to make sure that you guard your new
asset while while making sure that you guard your current asset.
(21:53):
If if that's what it is, and you feel as
though you can't get any further than what you had,
which it doesn't seemingly look as though, as you mentioned Q,
that they can get that much further with Tannehill, and
that's probably why you know Malik willis lands. I mean,
even though he as late as he did. It's that's
why they go after a Malik Willis You You're not
(22:18):
You're not going to You're not going to aggressively, at
least by the looks of it here, you're not aggressively
going away from from Ryan Tannehill. But you're also looking
at it as you're running out of time. So when
you see a statement like this, now you have to
be measuring and you have to be weighing what is
(22:40):
the development of Malik WILLI is going to be and
how do you prepare him to be as successful as
you possibly can knowing that you're not going to get
that that veteran guidance or assistance from from the person
that that is getting pretty much all the firsthand information
(23:01):
as to how they're running their offense and how they're
running things on that side of the ball. You mean,
go ahead, you know, I'm just and now I don't
go ahead because I'm gonna take it in a different direction. Probably, Okay,
I was justa say, I mean, the reality is, the
truth is it's not Ryan Tannehill's job. He's not paid
to you, it's not so so what are he's saying
is is true, it's factual and and and all that
(23:24):
I think we're you know, just from being in that
room and understanding when you're the starter, when you're the
back and all that you're always competing. You should be
always competing, and even though you're paid like a guy
that not isn't looking within that room to compete with, right,
Ryan Tannell was trying to look at the Patrick Mahomes
and the Josh Allen's and the Justin Herbert's and the
Joe Burrows and Lamar Jackson's and everyone else who's in
(23:46):
the a f C that he's competing with to try
to win that conference and then go to a super Bowl.
That's ultimately who his competition is. But that being said,
I mean, as a quarterback, you're still competing every drill,
every day with the guys in that room. And it's
kind of that concept of as iron sharpens iron, so
one man sharpens another. And that's more of the philosophy
(24:07):
that I think that like I always tried to have
with all of it, Like I always said to myself,
if I'm in there competing with a guy and he's
just flat out better than me, then he should play
like that's just how life is. Like I am comfortable
and confident enough in myself where if I can't beat
this guy out, he's better than me, Okay, go lead
our team. Then go be that guy, and I'll try
(24:28):
to find an opportunity somewhere else. And if I'm just
not good enough, I'll figure out something else in my
life where I can be good enough. But there's there
is an element to when you're in there and you're
competing where you should want that guy to come out
every single day and push you. You shouldn't want that
guy to come out and make a throw that you're like, dang, Like, Okay,
I gotta work on this, or I gotta try to
(24:49):
make my arms stronger. I gotta try to, you know,
work on my mobility or work on some different arm angles,
Like I need to work on some of that. I
need to work on my condition, I need to work
on my agility, maybe my moving into the pocket. Whatever
it is, Like you want to feel that challenge if
you're Ryan Tannehill, like this could create a spark for him.
You know, people talk about and try to correlate Jordan's
(25:10):
love being in Green Bay and two back to back
seasons for Aaron Rodgers. I mean the reality is maybe
that's a constant reminder to him every time he's in
that quarterback room of what the packers that did and
then the motivation behind it. You could say it's it's not,
but when you've got a living, breathing person in that
room across from you, Yeah, it's gonna be a reminder
(25:32):
to you. So you can't help it but feel a
little bit more intense, a little bit more triggered to
one of say, I'm gonna go out improved to these
guys within our own organization that I'm good enough to
be the guy. So he may not want to mentor
Malik Willis, but I'll put it this way, if Malik
Willis is going out there and challenging him every day,
(25:53):
you're gonna get the best out of Ryan Tannell, or
at least he's gonna be pushed to play and perform
at his best. I just the technicality he bothers me.
Just from this standpoint, it's not his job to mentor
absolutely not his job. We've heard other players say something
similar along the lines. But you know, it's also not
in mandatory for me to want to help an elderly
woman out of the store with their groceries. But I
(26:14):
want to do it, Like if I see it, I
want to do it. I want to be able to
offer up some sort of assistance, some sort of help,
like you don't have to tip the weight or at
the at the restaurant, you don't have to, but you
probably should. I mean, it's it's it's the nice thing
to do. Dude, he's a young player in the league.
If you're that good, you were given an opportunity to
revitalize your career. In Tennessee. They they opened up to
(26:36):
you and said, hey, if you can beat out Marcus
Mariota for the job, the job is yours. The idea
that he's not willing to play by these rules at
this point in his career, like there's probably a little
bit of an insecurity there, and look there there's There
was stories out of Miami when that he made some
comments to practice squad players that that people in the
(26:57):
media overheard in which uh he was practice squad players
were told, hey, you know, uh, go easy because they
were kind of talking some trash because they were picking
him off in practice. And one of the quotes he
gave to them was enjoy your practice squad paycheck. So
like he does have this to him to where he
gets a little bite and all the point is, and
(27:21):
I get what you're saying, because you're right and what
you're saying. He made it a point to include that
as a quote, so he wanted it to be made
known that that's how he feels about it. And there's
nothing wrong with him feeling that way. Again, like like
it was stated, it's not his job to help, you know,
prepare his his eventual seemingly replacement. The idea of it
(27:46):
is is that you're building a camaraderie. It's it's a
room where you you have, you know, rapport with one another,
you network. You know, this guy may turn into a
Hall of fame Yeah, he may. It may turn into
a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback. And you can say
you had a small part to do with the development,
or you were in the room with him at one
(28:06):
point time. I mean just that Kurt Warner indeed indeed.
And so so the idea of it for me is,
you know, Trent Green, I think took credit for Kurt Warner,
you know, so I think I think you shouldn't come
after Kurt was before. I think he I think he
took Trent's job. In fact, yeah, he think his trying
(28:27):
and hurt his knee in Yeah. By the way, you
know Brady's poor name was Mark Boulgers from right That
that one actually is true. We talked about that in length.
He's not he's not lying. That's your name. That would
be it. Yeah, it was that and one other one
Jonas made up that. I was like, okay, yeah, that
could work. It was Wesley Pipes. I just think he
(28:49):
could have he could have left the I'm not gonna
be that guy to him out of his quote. Yeah,
you know, he could have left that out because at
the end of the day, it's an unstayed deal where
you can choose. Right, you had the right to choose.
Ask him, he offered it. You know you could choose,
and even if they did ask him, you can choose.
(29:10):
You know, that's that's your choice. Is your choice. You
want to you want to take him under your wing,
you want to bring him over for dinner, you know,
he becomes the godfather to your kids and stuff like that,
or uncle uncle Malik. You know, you can choose that
or but but what you don't have to do is
make it now a public thing. Now you've put a
(29:31):
spotlight on it, where that's something that they're going to
foul away and they're going to pay attention to now.
And I'm just surprised that no one's used the button
so far in this whole What do you mean? What
do you mean? I mean caught up the button? So
if he was if he were a young that button
Mark Mark Bulgers, if he were a yacht he looked
(29:53):
just like Tannehill. Yeah, I mean the leaks Bulger No,
I you oh man, I was lost. Someone's going to
use the bunet you know, that's just yeah. I mean
(30:14):
there's a couple of different reasons. Quarterback, what is that? Berta?
What is that? Mike marts Mike Martch's talking about Mark Boulger.
Mark Boulger is our quarterback. Ye but yeah, but yeah,
but doesn't make sense. I mean that sounds like the
adult version of it. Oh man, I'll never forget when
(30:37):
he told me you don't want to come here when
he was in Detroit conversations. Yeah, but like all my
way that's trapped. That was one of my first introductions
to like, oh that's how this Goes was like, all right,
well hang out here for a little bit, and then
hope is Mark is Mike Mart's a good guy. I've
heard j Cutler talk about him a couple of times.
(30:59):
He's super. Jay Cutler talked about him, said, dude, he's
the best like he and and total sense of humor
and like if you overrule his calls, like Cutler I
think flipped him off at one time or did something
on the field, and Marx wasn't upset about it at all.
He's like, no, I get it, like whatever, like it
just I think it was the fact that they were
running some seven step drop like where they couldn't protect them.
(31:21):
I don't even if there are seven man protections at
that point. I think it was in lieu of that,
like you want to get the ball out quicker, well listen,
I mean, you know, Olan Cruz is the center. I
don't know if you followed that story recently, but apparently
h Ollen Cruz assaulted a co worker earlier this week
at a Chicago media company, and then when the story
broke on Twitter, Olan Cruz posted the quote from Mike
(31:43):
Tyson that said social media made everybody a little bit
too comfortable to run their mouth and uh so then
we get to wait to see how that plays out.
Your yeah, talked about it, Olan, No mean, I mean
it wasn't like a Prince situation where I would have
(32:05):
dated Prince. Jeez, I would have dated him. Maybe I
would have, maybe I'd have had regrets later, but you know,
I would have had to have just you know, we
had you want to you want to go out with me, Prince,
but you want to go out with me? I mean,
would you have taken less money to go to the
(32:26):
Vikings knowing that Prince was a Vikings fan? I mean
if if going to his concerts and getting backstage passes
was a part of the deal, I mean, I would
have to entertain. I mean, assuming you're dating, that would
probably come with that would be one of the perks. Well,
I mean I didn't know we were dating before that
took place, but if we were dating, of course, of
course I would go to me. Who want to be
(32:49):
closer to the person they're dating. All the things we've
talked about in the history of us working together, I've
never thought LaVar was gonna say that. Man said, I
love the curveballs. I would love to tell everyone that
I'm joking, but you know I looked at him all right,
(33:10):
and you know what the like there is something too
that like I've been watching that we crashed serious whenever
you get a time about Adam Newman, the guy started
we work and like it was like the same thing,
like he had trans he would get people to believe
in him and the stories they tell on how eccentric
he was, but even just like the money he would
spend and how you're like you're looking at the balance
(33:32):
sheets and you're like, this isn't sustainable, this isn't gonna work.
And literally people kept investing in him because he was
there was something about his aura about him and the
manifest things like prince like like Prince yeah, I mean
with his music and his dancing and his his high
heeled boots. You know how tall was he actually? Bro
(33:54):
He looked like five six if ian He had me
all right that I don't know that you can and
I don't know that you could even get the five
to here you go five. He looked a you gonna say,
you know, I've already incriminated myself and the people are
(34:18):
gonna love me more today because of my candidness. You know,
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I teg get No, I'm sorry. I got carried away
and got good pipes one that has got me awake. Yeah,
(35:44):
Athletic greens Man good pipes. Uh, that's something we do
every single week. It it's called this. There are some
good things that happen, and there's some bad, and then
there's some downright ugly. Thinks it's Type four good, bad
(36:04):
and lovely, and away we go lead the lap. Who's
got what this week? As we do every week, we
start with the good LaVar you got good this week? Oh?
The good, the good, the good? What is the good?
You know you want to know what's good for me?
I'm going out of town this Friday to go to Scranton, Pennsylvania.
Scrant p a home of dunder Mifflin. I don't know
(36:28):
about all that. What you got? What you like that? Well,
I will be there to see my oldest son, Kino Arrington,
play in his first football spring game at Lackawanna College.
I'm pretty excited about that. Uh, he's a captain, he's
(36:49):
starting and yeah, and if you know anything about Lackawanna College,
that's one of the best Jukos to go to for pipeline.
It's a pipeline. So I'm pretty excited for him, pretty
pretty happy for him, and I'm I'm really really glad
to be going to see him. So that's my good
Scran's nera Wilkes Bear Right there you go, right next
(37:10):
to the home of the the Penguins. Uh you know,
Minor League of Hilly. There you go. Yeah, Lee, who's
got what? As far as the bad guys, I don't
like mascots are the best, by the way, I don't
know why, but like I remember growing up and being
a Cleveland baseball fan. So now the Guardians. I loved
the Buffalo Bison. I think that was the Triple A team.
(37:33):
I thought that was the coolest hat coolest logo. I
was like, I was a huge, like Buffalo Bison fan.
Now I think, um, Columbus is there the Triple A team.
But Jonas, let us know what was bad? Well, I mean,
I was going to point out something I saw in
Las Vegas. It was bad. I'd like to point out her. Breathe,
(37:53):
my god. Here here's the bad. The fact that Brady
just hadn't refer to his boyhood baseball team as the
Cleveland and baseball team. That's who we're at that he
can't even have to refer to as what they were.
There's an entire movie series done on that Cleveland baseball team. Unbelievable. Alright,
Lee Brady, what was ugly last night? Draymond Green gets elbowed,
(38:14):
He's got blood dripping down his face, and the Memphis
fans are just booing on and he flips him off.
I got a little ugly, but yeah, come on, we
just gotta keep your composure. Come on, Draymond. Yeah, you
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