June 17, 2022 • 46 mins
Friday on The Best Of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Chris Plank and Brian Noe are in for the guys, and give an instant reaction to the Golden State Warriors winning their 4th championship in 8 seasons. Chris feels that the Golden State haters have been silenced by this win, and by Steph’s amazing performance which finally clinched him that coveted NBA Finals MVP. Klay Thompson is a petty man, and had some hilarious comments about a certain Grizzlies player’s antics in his postgame press conference. Also, Chris and Brian dive into comments made by the Houston Texans’ GM, where he hilariously confirms that the Deshaun Watson trad3e cannot, and will not be overturned, plus Brian feels that the whole perception of Watson’s situation is “stuck in the mud.”
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. Oh what's going on, everybody? I hope
you're enjoying your Friday morning. Dubbs have won a championship.
I don't know what's just more impressive Chris Blank Golden
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State winning another championship or Eddie Garcia paying off his
bet and getting completely doused by a fountain across the
street of the Fox Sports Radio studios. But both were
absolutely memorable. Here, well, congrat are you? Are you happy? Now?
This this in kind of the two year three year frustration? Nowell,
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it's been a good yeah, two plus years, but yet
it ends the whole thing that the bet has been
paid off. He is a man of his word. It
was legendary. There will be a video coming out so
everybody can see the bet being paid off. But yeah,
he was in the fountain across the street of the
Fox Sports Radio studios, just absolutely legendary as somebody who
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needed some z s and maybe might have woken up
I don't know, ten minutes before we went on the air.
Maybe I'm listening. I'm not here. To point fingers or anything.
But could a quick recap help catch us all up
to speed what we missed moments ago. Absolutely, so I'll
give you the brief rundown here. This goes back a
couple of years ago. The initial bet was I thought
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the Browns would make the playoffs in a five year span.
Now this goes back to when they were winless. They
had zero wins just a few years ago, and so
we made this bet. If Eddie lost, he had to
frolic around in the Fountain's amazing that they did it
with a crappy quarterback in your terms, like incredible, incredible
that they went from zero wins to eleven, but their
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quarterbacks still sucks. Incredible. Well, it happens. We'll definitely get
into that side of it where there are sucky quarterbacks
who have gotten to the playoffs. You know it has
happened before. But we'll circle back to that one, Chris Blank,
because I can tell us that's sticking in the in
the crawl over there right like, But anyway, they upgrade
the talent Myles Garrett, real defense, you know, excellent running game,
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compensating for their sucky quarterback, and they make it to
the playoffs, and so Eddie Garcia has to pay off
this bet. He did it today. He succeeded in flying colors.
He was just standing there. I'm telling you, plank. It
was blagi o esque. This this majestic fountain where it
just it starts low. It's barely like an inch or
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two off the ground in the water. It just it
rises to this majestic level. And uh and it got
Eddie Garcia pretty good. It was. It was colder than
it really. Now you were concerned about the depth of
said fountain. Was it as deep as you are the
lack of depth that you anticipated, Yeah, it was not.
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It was pretty shallow. But I was worried about slipping
because it was kind of slippery. So I was walking
very gingerly. I did not want to fall and slip.
Well man, yeah, that would have been brutal. That would
have been terrible. It was a little flippery over there. Yeah,
but it worked out great. That has been paid off.
Man of his Word. I think that's how we should
introduce him. Every time we throw it to an update,
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The Man of his Word, Eddie Garcia, like how much cajoling?
How much? I don't know, reminding you tend to be
someone that doesn't let something go. But I don't know
if you've noticed that about yourself. But how much did
it take to actually finally was it a common thing
that was brought up every time you fill in? Or no? No,
because uh, you know, it's funny looking back. It didn't
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take that much because we had this idea that was unofficial.
It was we never really like talked it out or anything.
But the thought was when I would make it back
out to l A, we would probably do something like
we just did. And so I've rarely been out here. Um,
so it didn't take a whole lot. Didn't take a
whole lot for him to pay it off. Well, congratulations.
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I think the best part of it is, I can
imagine because you're your side of it, was if you
were gonna jump in what the same lake did Jackson did? Yeah,
I was gonna jump into Lake Erie because when they
went winless, that's what he did. And I said, Okay,
if they don't make it to the playoffs in five years,
which I thought they would inspider their sucky quarterback, I
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would dive into Lake Erie. And uh, thankfully it didn't
come to that. I mean that one whole trip, one
whole trip. That's you. You cut it close, I know,
absolutely cut it close. But we'll get to that later
on in the show. With the Browns, what's going on
with Deshaun Wattson. A couple of interesting layers on that, Plank.
I think that you hear this quite a bit. In basketball,
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there's an expression stuck in the mud when an offense
is just sputtering, they have no rhythm whatsoever. I think
as a sports fan, you can get stuck in the mud,
meaning stuck in the here and now instead of looking
to the future and how this is going to play out.
So we'll do that a little bit later in the show,
but we gotta start with the Dubs, the Warriors. They
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get another championship, their fourth one in eight years. Golden
State finishes off to Boston Celtics despite many, many, many many.
That's where you talked about yesterday, Plank. Whenever the public
is just like, oh yeah, game seven, no doubt, Game
six of the mirror formality, I'm like, ah, and I
didn't have the guts. I'm kicking myself, blank. I saw it,
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I saw it right there, but I didn't have the
guts to take the Warriors outright. I took them with
the points, but they they covered the spread in reverse
and then some as they beat Boston convincingly and take
him another championship. You know, we got we have a
lot to get to on steps the legacy. I'm not
one of those people that felt like he needed an
NBA Finals MVP for vindication or verification or whatever. I
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never felt that way, but a lot of people did.
And so I don't know what they're complaining about. Stuff
is gonna be now, But it's wild to me to
think how hot and just in this game specifically, right,
let's just focus on Game six last night, how everything
went Boston's way to start this. I mean, I'm legitimately here,
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I've I've got, you know, my studio, and I'm i'm
I'm keeping tabs on the game. I'm writing some notes
for the show today and I look up and it's
twelve two, and it's like, okay, what just happened? And
then and then literally I felt like the next blink,
it was a fifteen point Golden State Warrior lead. It
could not have gone any better in the first couple
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of minutes for setting its tone, trying to hey, We're
not going anywhere planning your flag, if you will, solidifying
your your belonging. And I mean I get it. They
made a run, they cut into what a late But
as soon as that twenty oh run hit, I kind
of felt like it was done. And that's a terrible
thing to say for you know, is as hard as
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it looked like Boston fought. But man, they did some
dumb things and you hit it on the head yesterday.
I was thinking about you when watching the defense of
the Warriors. Andrew Wiggins. Great job last night. That Warrior's
defense doesn't get the credit it deserves. But why the
hell are you switching Al Horford one on one with
Steph Curry and key moments right and switching when you
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don't have to. I mean, if I'm Jayson Tatum or
Jalen Brown and I see that, I'm gonna have to
switch with Al Horford. And I think Jayson Tatum even
did it a couple of times where he left this guy.
I like Al Horford. I like Al Horford one on
one with Steph Curry, and that situation presented itself way
too much down the stretch of that game for any opportunity,
and when stef saw it. He took him right to
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the rim and scored with ease. So Boston good team
this year, but man, they did some dumb things to
keep themselves from staying in this game, a lot of them.
And look, it was a combination. When you look on
the other side of the floor, you look at Boston's offense,
where just stupid decisions left and right, but outstanding Warriors defense.
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It's both. So it was both the last three games
where you look at Boston scoring nineties seven points in
that Steph Curry epic forty three point performance right, and
then game five they scored ninety four, and then Boston
last night scores ninety. They didn't crack triple ditch. It's
the last three games and some of that is stupid
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decision after stupid decision turnovers, but it's not just bad decisions.
It's also outstanding Warriors defense. And they started to finally
get some of their flowers last night. But it's like
we've been seeing this throughout most of the playoffs, especially
this series. In the last three games, their defense was
superb and you look at it collectively, it was Andrew
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Wiggins was phenomenal. He made defensive plays left and right,
and so yeah, I thought that was one of the
biggest factors for Golden State winning this series was their
defense was so consistently good. Yeah, it was really good.
I will say I was telling the guys this before
we hit the air. Completely forgot andre Iguodala was a
Warrior until he checked in late in the game. I
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was like, well, what, he's still on the Warriors. And
I that resonated with me because he was their defensive
guy whenever they made their runs and and won their
titles a couple of years ago. Here he's a bit
player that comes in off the bench and plays one minute.
The dude that ascended into that role was Andrew Wiggins.
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And I mean, again, for a guy that was supposed
to be terrible, I mean, he just looked amazing. Hit
hits the Big Three whenever you start to have the
run from from Boston. But I mean you can't. I
know that Golden State turned it over a lot last night.
They finished with twenty turnovers, But you can do that
when you're forcing twenty two turnovers, and of those twenty
two turnovers, you're getting thirteen steals in the game last night,
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And again, I want to give all the credit in
the world to the Warriors defense. And I wanted Own
State fans mad at me or anything, because again, I
don't care if you're mad at me, but I think
that it deserves the shine. As you say, oh my gosh,
Boston put themselves into chiculous and look at their best player,
Jason Tatum. Oh my gosh, rough Night, rough Night. Thirteen
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points on eighteen shots. That's we have more shots than points.
That's bad. That's bad. He was six or eighteen from
the field. And I'll tell you this plank. I was
thinking about this. I think this is where when you
hear those things experience and championship d NA, you hear
that type of stuff, but it's like, what does that
really apply to I think it goes back to Game one.
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Think about this, where Golden stated was clear they were
focusing on Jason Tatum. They were like, he's their engine,
let's focus on him, let's slow him down, and the
role players are not just gonna kill us. Well they
did kill him. In Game one. You had that epic
shooting performance, a once in a lifetime, the planets aligned,
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the solars, everything you had, Derek White, Al Horford Marcus
Smart combined to shoot fifteen for twenty three from three
point range. Al Horford alone hit six three pointers. That
was this Jordan's shrug game, you know. But think about
how tempting it could have been for the Warriors to
overreact to that and say, oh, we gotta change our
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game plan. The role players are killing us. They just
lost game one at home, and they stuck to what
they do. They're like, all right, let's not overreact, let's
not panic, let's make some subtle adjustments, let's tweak a
few things. But they still keyed on Jason Tatum and
they were like, these role players, Dy'd not gonna do
that consistently in a full series. And that's exactly how
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it played out. I am I am so in awe
of what the Warriors have done, and I want to
get into it later in the show, in the team
building side of it, right, so many different players, but
you hit you hit it on the head. Cash. I'm
a grain with you way too much in the open.
But it's there's so many things that on last night
that just you kind of look at and you just
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you can't do anything but kind of shake your head
in in in awe. In a lot of ways, because
I thought about Game one and if the Warriors would
have done to the Celtics what the Celtics did to
the Warriors in Game one, we might have got a sweep, right.
I don't know if Boston could have recovered from a
meltdown in the fourth quarter like Golden State did. And
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I think everyone outside of Arnie span your kind of
thought that Game one would not be an indication of
how the series would go. In other words, we're not
gonna see the Warriors what the bad in a fourth quarter,
and they they still found themselves even after Game one,
Brian in a very tough spot. You know, they win
Game two, they go to Boston, they lose Game three,
They're now two games to one, and you don't Again
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it sounds corny whenever people talk about a championship mindset,
a pedigree, a mindset, the experience. But I think even
with basically three to four guys who have been to
consist to pieces that are playing, they still found a
way to overcome any of the mistakes they had made.
And I mean put together two very three straight very dominant,
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you know, fourth quarter performances after having a terrible fourth
quarter in Game one. I'm just kudos the Warriors. I
didn't think they'd be back whenever uh Katie moved on,
and then Steph got hurt and Clay gets hurt. Bryan,
I didn't think we'd be talking about this, yea, and
I thought it'd be boy. Clay had a great Steph
had a great season. Look at all those threes he hit.
Oh there's Draymond being a moron getting technicals. Oh look
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Clay Thompson's back. He's he's knocking down threes late in
the game's big time. And oh they beat the Lakers
in a meaningless uh first round playoff game. I did
not envision Jordan Poole being what he became. I did
not envision Looney taking the steps that he made. It's
just it's really to me a testament to team building,
to coaching, and as Steph Curry that they're in the spot,
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it's I'm in all right now what they've been able
to do. And they were on display all night last
night in Boston they were, and that was what a
sweet way to end it. On the road the same venue,
they're chanting f you, Draymond, and you always hear this
like you want to win it at home. I think
it was sweeter for them to win it on the
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Slash match limitations apply, you know, plankster, Let me throw
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something at you here because you all ears over there
is there a wasp around? Are they open for business?
They'll start attacking me here an hour or two or three. Uh,
I keep waiting for it. My my studio is a
disconnected garage from my house, and it literally is where
a previous owner would park their cars. So a little
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little scent of oil. I might be high after the
program and obviously bug Schloes. So I'm fighting for the people, Brian.
That's what I do. Hey, you power through, that's you
power through. Um. So let me throw this at you, um.
Draymond Green he was talking about this after the win
last night, Warriors win another championship, and he said, for
all those um paraphrasing here, but for all those people
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in the postgame press conference, for everybody saying, oh, Steph
had to win to solidify his legacy, No he didn't.
That was stupid. But it got me thinking and there
were a lot of naysayers, there's no doubt about it,
where some people said he was the product of a system,
and they harp on his deficiencies, like on the defensive end,
and there are criticisms to be made, but it made
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me think of he didn't need this to solidify his legacy,
meaning winning a fourth ring, he would have still gone
down as an all time great player, but man, this
helps boost his legacy. And it reminds me of Tom Brady,
where if you look at Brady, he didn't need to
win his seventh ring to solidify his legacy, but winning
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that seventh ring was a huge deal to win a
ring away from the Patriots and away from Belichick, and
it didn't make his legacy, it didn't solidify it, but
it boosted it greatly. So I see a parallel between
both Brady and Steph Curry where it wasn't essential, it
didn't make or break their legacy, but man, it boosted
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it a lot more than before. I think that's a
great point. Cad. You can't stop it. What did you do?
Did you take something this morning? You're making great points
this morning, because I still I I shake my head
in utter disgust whenever I hear people that question Tom Brady.
I'm like, he literally went to a completely different team.
What what do you need from him? Where you're not
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going to accept that he's great? I mean, I think
I think sometimes people get on a hill and that
hill is crumbling to its foundation, but they're ready to
die on it regardless of how dumb it makes them look.
And I feel like there's still gonna be people that
do that today with Steph Curry. I don't know how
I'm here for it, because I'd love to see how
you can question, well, he missed a shot in the
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third quarter. I mean, it's not what we're gonna right,
is what it's gonna come down to, uh, because and
he did it. Listen. I I understand that some people
can say that that Trio and Steph and Clay and Draymond,
but you know, Draymond has excuse me, Clay hasn't in
a regular part of this team for a full season, right.
I mean literally, he didn't gosh off the top of
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my head. Maybe it would have been smart at me
to look, but I want to say until what at
the very least after the All Star break where he
really kind of started to hit Clay Thompson's groove. Maybe
a little bit later than that. So Steph Curry not
only you know, some might say, well he's had the
same crew, but he is. He's had the same two
guys with him. But with Clay it's been the injury,
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and then it's a completely different supporting gash sure, completely different.
So if you wanted to dog them for going and
getting Katie to win a couple of titles and then
Katie's injury coming uh in nineteen and not allowing them
to beat the Raptors, however you wanted to knock them before. Man,
this really silence is that, doesn't it? It really does,
And think about it, think how much has changed. As
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you've said, it's not just the new guys that are
a part of the team with Andrew Wiggins and Auto
Port Junior. You go down the list Jordan's pool. These
are new players. They are we weren't around for any
of the earlier rings. But it's also it's Clay and
Draymond Green where think of how different they are in
terms of versions of themselves. Where Draymond Green years ago
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he was a triple double machine. Draymond played really well
last night. That was one of the only games he
played well in and Clay Thompson. We always talked about
Game six Clay. That was not on display last night. Right,
twelve points on twenty shots. That was not even a
good performance by Clay. And so for Steph, he really did.
He put the team on his back and he was
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absolutely tremendous. But yeah, it boosts his legacy greatly. We
weren't talking about Steph being the best point guard of
all time before he won his fourth ring in his
first finals m v P. We're doing that now. And
you go back to when Brady left New England. There
was it was not unanimous that Brady was more responsible
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for the Patriots dynasty than Belichick. But he goes the
Tampa wins the ring and it's like, oh, yeah, it
was Brady right. There are a lot of people fashionably
late arriving to that party and giving Brady his just do.
But I just see a parallel between Steph and Brady
where winning their latest ring it was huge for their legacy.
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Although it didn't make it, it boosted it greatly. Yeah,
I mean, and it's it would have been interesting to
see what the reaction would be like had Golden State
not shown that championship medal and not bounced back right
from game one, and that kind of weighed him down.
But that's not what this franchise is about. And you
mentioning Draymond Green, listen, I know that for a lot
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of people he's rubbed in the wrong way. I fall
in that category, But you can't deny what he does
in this setting, what he does for this team, and
doing it in a way that is much different than
before in the previous a C three, four or five,
in the previous seven trips that the Warriors had made
just to the playoffs alone. He was a digit scoring machine, right.
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He averaged double digits in six of those seven seasons.
And you mentioned the triple double aspect to it, uh
nine rebounds for game tanner rebounds for a game nine
point three And this is all on the playoffs. And
the dude barely averaged nine points per game and barely
averaged even eight boards. Now that's still, you know, good
for his role, but it's not what it was. You
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gotta step up there you had experienced that was gone
right andre Iguadal again, like I said, completely forgot he
was on the team, came in for his curtain call.
You know, names like David West had moved on. As
as interesting as it was to bring this name up,
a Zaza Pachula was a guy who would played a
role for them Andrew Bogan at time, it's a completely
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different supporting cast and everyone almost fits perfectly and what
their new role was. And yet who's the ringleader of
them all? Who's the guy that's still there Steph Curry.
So it's gotta be fascinating to find out what the
haters And again I don't see a ton of it
that just like, oh, he's a terrible basketball player. But
it's sports radio, so someone's crafting that take as we
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get rolling here on a Friday morning. But I just
I'm in awe, dude, I am in utter all today.
And it's maybe it's some bitterness, maybe it's some jealousy
because the Lakers haven't been able to do what the
Warriors have been able to do over the last five, six,
seven years. And you just have to you gotta bow
to him. You got kind of chip your hat to him.
It's it's incredible. It's incredible to see how they've rebuilt
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this and still found a way to be a dominant
force in the NBA. I like what you said about
crafting crafting an argument. Oh gosh, it's happening like crazy
right now, you know. Uh. There's some epic audio after
the game last night, Chris, where of course, the Warriors
win a championship to close out the Celtics on their
home floor in Game six, and Clay Thompson after the win,
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he had a great quote about the Memphis Grizzlies. You
gotta just check this out. Is top shelf here you go.
Strength is alive, and well, I can't wait. There's just
one player in the Grizzlies who tweeted strength and Numbers
after they beat us in the previous season, and it
pissed me off so much. I can't wait to retweet
that thing. Freaking bum. I had to wash that almost
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like this freaking cloud. Okay, okay, okay, sorry, that memory
just popped up. You're gonna mock us like you ain't
ever been there before. Bro, We've been there, We know
what it takes, so to be here again. Wow, that
is tremendous. And that was Jaren Jackson Jr. Who put
that out there. Regular season Grizzlies win a game strength
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to number. You heard Clay Clay is not happy, not
a fan of that. Well, Clay Thompson hasn't tweeted since
May seventeen, so, uh, where's the retweet at Clay? I
need it. I mean, I'm just and it's funny because
I think at the time, you're feeling again. I'm not
here to defend Jaren Jackson Jr. Buy any stretch of
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the imagination, but you're kind of feeling yourself right because
the grizz are rolling in it. You feel good about things,
and then uh talk about your all time when keeping
it real goes wrong. I mean in fairness, I mean
Jackson is a double digit scoring guy in the league,
so I don't necessarily know if you want to call
him a bomb. But still I completely understand that frustration
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from Clay. Now get to Twitter dot com and give
me the retweet, Clay, because I'm tired of looking at
your Mountain dew legend tweet from May seventeen. Let's go,
let's go. I want to see the petty. I thought
the king of petty was Steth Curry. Let's go, Clay. Clay,
you missed that tweet like you missed all those threes
last night. So Clay's the bum. That guy is finished.
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Where is this bitterness coming from. I'm not I'm I'm
not a fan of any team in the bear Oh.
I see it as he's wearing his Dodger his Dodger stuff.
I get it now, I understand. I get the deal here.
Let me throw this at you too, Chris. Where I
was thinking about um. Jeff Van Gundy has said this before,
and it's a great line. He says, comparison is the
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thief of joy, and there's a lot of truth to that. Right.
If you said, Steph Curry compared to this legendary NBA
player he doesn't stack up and all of a sudden
the joy is lost, you know, or Lebron compared to Jordan,
all those type of things. But I think last night
made me think of a different way where sometimes comparison
is the thief of the truth. And I think that
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applies to the Warriors, where the Warriors now have been
compared to the Warriors of the past, and it's like
that got people away from the truth of how great
of a team they currently are. Right, It's not about
the Warriors now compared to the Warriors in ten when
they won their first championship before all the injuries to
Clay Thompson and all of that. It's not the Warriors
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now compared to the k D Warriors and how dominant
they were. It's the current Warriors compared to the other
current teams in the NBA. Right, Is that about the
Warriors now? To the Warriors, then it's about who their
competition is currently, and they just showed that they're the
best as of right now. So I think that they
were doubted primarily because they were compared to themselves years
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ago to a fault, and it got a lot of
people away from the truth. And what of kudos to
the legacy that they had built right, the foundation that
they had put put forth prior to this run this season.
I'm so bad at this. I'm just gonna make it
very clear, Brian. I hate whenever these types of things
come up, because there, let's see, uh comparison is the
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thief of joy, thief of truth. I like to call
him fun suckers. They fucked the excuse me, hold no,
they sucked the fun saves. Oh, they sucked the fun
out of the whole celebration. They really do. And the
mindset that you would wake up this morning and the
first thing, and and and again I'm a Lakers fan.
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I cannot hide my allegiances. But the idea that the
first thing I would do is wake up and say, well,
they're not the same Warriors team that they were in
seventeen eighteen when they had Durant. Who cares right, right?
I mean? And to try to compare it to that
is as you mentioned, it's unfair. It's it's it does
it takes away from this team. It causes you to
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drop f bombs on the end, and and in the end,
more than anything else, it's just it's it's wrong. I mean,
every single team has their own identity, and every single
team has their own mindset, and every single team has
their own uh positives and negatives, and then suddenly say, well,
they're not that team. I don't know about you, Bron,
but I don't care. Championships silence everything my mind whenever
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it comes to critiques. I'm just saying that's where it
stems from the reason that the Warriors were doubted so much.
If you do the math on it, it's because, even
though people aren't directly saying it, they're not as good
as they once were. That's what they're thinking. That's what
leads to them being doubted as much as they were
where I mean, think about last night going into Game six,
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it was just like oh, game seven, no doubt, it's
a no doubt, or like wait what we also we
went around the hoard and we all kind of felt
the same way, right, It's like, what is this based on?
Where are we getting this from? Well, it's in Boston
and I don't know they lost there, but they're gonna
win this because it's on their home court. And that's
you were right, That's all we had, Yeah, but that's
what it's them from. The reason they were doubted so
much is because people indirectly they were comparing them to
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their past dominant ways and with Kevin Durant, they they
were they were a better version of themselves. But that
doesn't mean that they weren't still good enough to win
a championship. And that's what they did exactly. You see
this all the time. Yeah, And I'm such a nerd
right now, I'm sitting here. I I just started following
this season stat muse on on Twitter, really good account.
Maybe I don't know. Sometimes I feel like they make
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up numbers because they're so in depth. But I mean
there's there's things that people will probably complain about today.
I saw this in the last nine finals, only three
teams and win a championship while being rebounded the Warriors
at fifteen eighteen twenty two. I'm sure someone's gonna fight
a problem with that, Right's well, see, how can they
be one of the greatest? But I don't think we're
sitting here this morning trying to call this Warrior's team
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one of the greatest of all. No, no, no, no, yeah,
I mean so so I think we could call him
down there, just a little bit epic segment. I didn't
know Clay Thompson was a phantom mountain dew and I
didn't know you would accidentally drop an F bomb. It happens.
We're wide awake. Man. When you try, yeah, good gain,
thank you. When you try to combine fun sucker together,
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I'm just gonna give you a word of it. Do
it very slowly, hey, note taken no doubt. Be sure
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Another song Upbeat
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Happy makes me think of Dave Matthews, who was at
the at the game last night. I freaking hate Dave Matthews.
Freaking hate It's just too happy. It's like hippie happy.
There's just something about hippie happy that's a different kind
of happy that makes me want to just like destroy.
I don't know, uh Walls, you know, like an anti
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weed take or something. Do you not like the Gons
or something? Is that what this is about? No? No,
just so you don't like hippie happy and you consider
Dave Matthews a hippie. Yeah, it's his music is it's
not quite the like fish hippie vibe, not quite there,
but close enough. They're kissing cousins. I feel like, you know,
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or it's enough for me to just despised them. I
lost a bet, actually a true story. I lost a bet.
It was NFL related. I can't even remember which team
it was, but I had to go to a Dave
Matthews band concert and uh Albany. It was in Saratoga,
New York, right outside Albany. And I went to this concert.
I lost the dude. I lost the bet too. Before
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the show, just see if freaking people and he just
he Barry Sanders to me, he's just running. We're trying
to go to the restroom before the concert. He's going
in and out. He's just geeked to see Dave Matthews.
I lose the guy. I find him again. It's a miracle.
He does the same thing he's weaving in and I
lost him, and I couldn't find the mistake in my life.
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I watched the first song like this sucks, and I
stayed in the venue, but I left. I went to
like the pavilion and ate food and didn't pay attention.
Has the same sound to it. But you know what
I will say, I'm not gonna turn it a couple
of songs, Matthews. Well, I mean, listen, you like Slayer
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and these death metal bands that don't do nothing. Wait,
there's great English that don't do anything but scream into
the microphone. So maybe you don't understand quality music. No, no, no, no,
here's the thing I've been. I've been typecasted over here
like an actor. You know, I'm way more eclectic than
you would think. Planks, Okay, I love the metal that's
my go to. But I'm all over the place man Blues,
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Top forty R and B, I'm all over them. I'm
all over the grid on this. But but the hatred
for Dave Matthews is something you can't now, by the way,
just to be clear, that wasn't Dave Matthews. No, it wasn't.
I I looked dead like him. Was that like the
Clay Thompson look alike that got on the court and
shot No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I thought
you meant the music coming back? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
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I was like, oh wow, there got another look alike.
I got you. Sorry. I wanted the side as Wheeze
are significantly better than Dave Matthews. But yeah, he was.
He was on the court last night, essentially last night
for the Celtics. Right now, now, let me throw this
at you because Nick Cassario, he's the Texans GM and
he was a guest on Sports Radio six ten, and
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so you'll hear the question in the response about DeShawn
Watson and the trade that was made. The trade is final, right,
like they're they're like, there's no voiding of the like,
the trade is final. The pics are ours. Right, Maybe
you guys can call Goodell and ask him. But I mean,
any trade, forget about this particular one. But to say,
any trade that takes place, there's a process that you
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have to go through. Teams agree on that and then
once you agree on it, it gets submitted to the league,
the transaction gets processed, and it goes on file with
the league. Unless there's somebody that's going to go in there,
you know, overnight and the mask and try to you know,
get on a computer and may have a cyber attack
or something like that, I'm not sure there's anything that
could be could be done there. So every trade no
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different than the draft day trade, even though it kind
of happens more in real time. Unless I'm missing something
um and or less. If Seth calls Goodell and asked
him for his interpretation and opinion, I would say that,
you know, whatever trades have happened, have happened or in
the past, and now we're just focused on you know,
training camp and moving forward with the team. Yeah. I
just love the whole thing. I love the question like
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this can't be like reversed right, Like we're not going
to please tell me we're not going to have DeShawn
Watson back here and we could just go on with
life with Davis Mills. I just love the whole thing.
That's a boatload of confidence I thinking that the Browns
are not going to get Deshaun Watson to be able
to play number one, probably, but at least from a
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Texans fans perspective, which I don't know many Texans fans
right now, what would it take for the Browns to
try if let's say, all right, so that's the Texans
side and that was really dumb, well it was. It
could just get resented. No, I we're in this. He's
at O T S right now, he working out with
the team. The trade is not gonna suddenly be rescinded,
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you dope. But here's the second part of it. What
would it take for Cleveland to say, all right, this
is too much? If he gets suspended for a year
and the NFL says he's got to do X, Y
and Z before he can get back into the league,
is there I mean, they've made their bad Do you
think there is any anything that can happen in this
where Cleveland might say, yeah, we just got to cut
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our losses here. We got to look for an out
in this to where we can because it's got there's
gotta be language in there somewhere that there's an out
in this contract at some point if it gets too
damning from what the NFL finds. I don't see anything
that is likely to happen that would push them to
react that way. You know, that's where I would go,
because they knew where this was headed. They knew what
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they were signing up for, so they knew they would
be in this position for the short term. Coming up,
I'm gonna spin it in a different direction. I think
we're just stuck in the here and now instead of
looking to the future. Be sure to catch live editions
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Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio app. By the way, another shout out
to you Eddie Garcia paying up on the bet in
an epic way um in the Fountain earlier across the
street from the Fox Sports Radio studios. It's a tweet
here from the Russian Kid and says, somehow Eddie became
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the only Steelers fan I like, Bravo, that's how much
of a home run this whole thing lot, and I
thank you for the fine play by play work, and
also our friend Justin Cooper for the fine camera work
and giggling. Yes, it's absolutely is. It makes it better.
You gotta have your flavor. Flavor of the video. And
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for those who didn't see I, I did like your
comparing me to t O standing on the star as
I stood in the center of the fountain as the
water was engulfing me, and uh, I was fun. It
was that was that was great. I don't I really
don't like losing any more bets to you. I think
I'm owing two against you. That's right. Yeah, you owed
me cheesecake factory, right, I paid that up a while back.
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Yeah you did. That was that was with I said
that Chiefs wouldn't win the Super Bowl and that was
the year that they lost to Tampa because they were,
you know, defending champs. They were a juggernaut. And yeah,
I'm gonna stop betting you for a while, I think. Okay,
never let it be said, yeah, yeah, no worries. Alright,
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So plankster, let me throw this at you. Where um
Deshaun Watson, by the way, if you're doing a drinking
game with me saying let me throw this at you,
you are a coma toast right now? That is yeah,
that's why go to phrase. But with the Shawn Watson.
I think this plank where you hear this in basketball,
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getting stuck in the mud, where you're just you're no
offense of rhythm, You're not in a flow. I think
that can happen with sports opinions. I think that can
also happen with perspective, and I think a lot of
people are stuck in the mud with where the Deshaun
Watson situation currently is instead of looking forward, Like if
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you spin this forward instead of just looking at the president,
and it looks bad right now, bad twenty four lawsuits
where at best this is a case of a creepy quarterback,
right that's at best. It may be way worse than that.
Looks horrible, the reactions word of the Browns thinking they're
a disaster, they're a dumpster, fire yacht. Yeah, that's all
about the present. If you spin this forward and look
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at the future, what's likely going to end up happening?
If you ask yourself that what will likely happen? Deshaun
will have to pay financially. Most likely he's either gonna
end up settling or might be found liabel in a
couple of these cases, maybe not all. He'll have to
pay he'll get suspended and life will go on. And
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if you play a game of who's in a better
spot going forward? Is it the Browns who traded for
Deshaun Watson or is it the other teams who are
trying to trade for Deshaun Watson and didn't land the guy?
Do you think the Saints or the Browns are in
a better position going forward? Do you think that Jamis
Winston is a better option than Deshaun Watson considering the
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entire ball of wax, I don't how about the Panthers?
You like Sam Donald and Matt Corrall, you they it's
a better spot to be in. Or you think it's
the Browns. I think it's the Browns. If it's the Falcons,
Desmond Ritter, what are the chances des or Eminem has
a better two headed monster than Deshaun Watson, like virtually
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no chance? And the last one the Seahawks. The Seahawks
were interested. Right now they have Drew Lock and Geno
Smith or or or maybe your boy Baker Mayfield. Maybe
if things work out right, do you think that's a
better spot than the Browns. So instead of just looking
at it from the present, look to the future, and
it doesn't look nearly as bad as it does right here,
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right now. Boy, But you're really ignoring a pretty massive,
let's the term pink elephant in the room. If you're like, hey,
these sixties six allegations and these twenty two civil cases,
if you look to the future, I mean, I agree
with you, right, but you're also then looking at almost
a fifty five million dollar cap hit that he's gonna
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be in twenty three, fifty five million and twenty four.
I mean, you're you You're gonna have some tough decisions
to make on guys. And yes, I know. The big
headline is Jadeveon Clowney chose to go with the Shawn
Watson and that's why he's back in Cleveland. He was
gonna go with him where ever he went. He's gonna
go to Atlanta, he's gonna go to Carolina. Wherever to
Shawn Watson went. That's where Jadeveon Clowney. So I don't
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disagree with you. I think you're really overlooking what could
end up being a pretty significant suspension here and then
Cleveland's gonna do some cap gymnastics. Think about this too,
you might Houston is the interesting part of this to
me because if Deshaun Watson doesn't play this year and
you've got to go with Brissette, our heaven forbid Joshua Dobbs,
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no offense Tennessee fans, but you lived it. I mean,
Houston could be sitting with what maybe a potential two
top five picks. I still think the Browns are good,
but they're not nearly as good if you're dealing with
ja Kobe Brissett in two. So I'm with you long term,
it's and as a long term play by Cleveland, their
hope is that Okay, by the time this this is settled,
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everyone's forgotten about it and we move on. Because Mike
Vick had a career after spending time in prison. Okay,
he went to level he was in prison. Now, obviously
these are these are women, not you know, animals. But
still the NFL and fans have shown that they're incredibly
forgiving in most instances. So I think it's a very
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interesting point. But man, it's hard to look past what's
right in front of our face with us right now.
But you gotta he got it because you have to
ask yourself what's likely to happen? How will this realistically
end up, and I think that's exactly this year. I
think so I do um because they've had success before
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and they would have to know, like if it's Jacoby
Brissette the whole season, that sets a lot different. You
shouldn't expect the sun in the moon if that's the case.
All I'm saying is this is that there's a reason
that all of those other teams wanted to Shaun Watson
solely understanding the allegations, the lawsuits, the potential outcome. They knew,
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they were well aware, their eyes were wide open, and
they were still involved in a bidding war because they
know they were aware of how deep this went with
the New York Times article this past with sixties six
women in terms of massages, and then we have now
twenty four lawsuits and they might not have known everything,
but they had a legitimate idea of where things were
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and where they might go. Five it's like this might
be a problem. Yeah, it's not like they're like, whoa wait,
it's up to twenty four and there were sixty six
massus is like they're just stunned, Like we didn't know
any of this, we wouldn't have been involved. Yeah, they
would have because they understand that the present chaos it
doesn't matter. The long run is what matters. That's why
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they were involved. And you can sit here and tell
me that shouldn't be the case and they should do
the PR thing, and okay, but I'm at I'm telling
you how things are. I'm not telling you how they
should be. I'm telling you how things are and pr
and great character and all that stuff, like, it doesn't
matter in terms of who wins the Super Bowl. There's
a reason why it's not the Lawrence Taylor Man of
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the Year Award, you know what I'm saying, Like, there
have been dudes that have been bad dudes, but it's
not a game of ethics. It's a game of who
wins the most. And you're gonna blur the lines when
it comes to that. So I'm just saying, Deshaun Watson,
it's a fiasco right now. But if you look towards
the future, these other teams that lost out on him,
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they're gonna be in a worse spot than the Browns are.
But what if two years let's just say hypothetically, you're
expecting him to play this year, right, I do a
portion of the year. Do we worry about a year off?
Do we worry about rust? Or do you look at
and say, oh, that's that's resting his body. He's fine,
He's gonna be good to go. Do you worry about
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the time away from the game. I think there'll be
a little rust, but not anything crazy. Okay, enough, Well
you're you've got a very rosy outlook that right now.
A lot of people have a hard time seeing that's fine.
But it's a good point because you look ahead in
the future and the Browns may up winning this thing.
And I don't know, maybe the Falcons look at it
now and say, boy, we dodged a bullet with ever
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with all of these new allegations, but when it got
passed like two, when he got past, you knew what
you were in for. So four sixty six shouldn't be
surprising to anyone. It shouldn't be. And the other wild
card is how does this dude behave going forward? Like
That's I got more questions about that than on the field,
for sure, But I would hope that he's learned his lesson.
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We'll see what happens going forward.
Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. Oh what's going on, everybody? I hope
you're enjoying your Friday morning. Dubbs have won a championship.
I don't know what's just more impressive Chris Blank Golden
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State winning another championship or Eddie Garcia paying off his
bet and getting completely doused by a fountain across the
street of the Fox Sports Radio studios. But both were
absolutely memorable. Here, well, congrat are you? Are you happy? Now?
This this in kind of the two year three year frustration? Nowell,
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it's been a good yeah, two plus years, but yet
it ends the whole thing that the bet has been
paid off. He is a man of his word. It
was legendary. There will be a video coming out so
everybody can see the bet being paid off. But yeah,
he was in the fountain across the street of the
Fox Sports Radio studios, just absolutely legendary as somebody who
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needed some z s and maybe might have woken up
I don't know, ten minutes before we went on the air.
Maybe I'm listening. I'm not here. To point fingers or anything.
But could a quick recap help catch us all up
to speed what we missed moments ago. Absolutely, so I'll
give you the brief rundown here. This goes back a
couple of years ago. The initial bet was I thought
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the Browns would make the playoffs in a five year span.
Now this goes back to when they were winless. They
had zero wins just a few years ago, and so
we made this bet. If Eddie lost, he had to
frolic around in the Fountain's amazing that they did it
with a crappy quarterback in your terms, like incredible, incredible
that they went from zero wins to eleven, but their
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quarterbacks still sucks. Incredible. Well, it happens. We'll definitely get
into that side of it where there are sucky quarterbacks
who have gotten to the playoffs. You know it has
happened before. But we'll circle back to that one, Chris Blank,
because I can tell us that's sticking in the in
the crawl over there right like, But anyway, they upgrade
the talent Myles Garrett, real defense, you know, excellent running game,
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compensating for their sucky quarterback, and they make it to
the playoffs, and so Eddie Garcia has to pay off
this bet. He did it today. He succeeded in flying colors.
He was just standing there. I'm telling you, plank. It
was blagi o esque. This this majestic fountain where it
just it starts low. It's barely like an inch or
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two off the ground in the water. It just it
rises to this majestic level. And uh and it got
Eddie Garcia pretty good. It was. It was colder than
it really. Now you were concerned about the depth of
said fountain. Was it as deep as you are the
lack of depth that you anticipated, Yeah, it was not.
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It was pretty shallow. But I was worried about slipping
because it was kind of slippery. So I was walking
very gingerly. I did not want to fall and slip.
Well man, yeah, that would have been brutal. That would
have been terrible. It was a little flippery over there. Yeah,
but it worked out great. That has been paid off.
Man of his Word. I think that's how we should
introduce him. Every time we throw it to an update,
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The Man of his Word, Eddie Garcia, like how much cajoling?
How much? I don't know, reminding you tend to be
someone that doesn't let something go. But I don't know
if you've noticed that about yourself. But how much did
it take to actually finally was it a common thing
that was brought up every time you fill in? Or no? No,
because uh, you know, it's funny looking back. It didn't
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take that much because we had this idea that was unofficial.
It was we never really like talked it out or anything.
But the thought was when I would make it back
out to l A, we would probably do something like
we just did. And so I've rarely been out here. Um,
so it didn't take a whole lot. Didn't take a
whole lot for him to pay it off. Well, congratulations.
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I think the best part of it is, I can
imagine because you're your side of it, was if you
were gonna jump in what the same lake did Jackson did? Yeah,
I was gonna jump into Lake Erie because when they
went winless, that's what he did. And I said, Okay,
if they don't make it to the playoffs in five years,
which I thought they would inspider their sucky quarterback, I
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would dive into Lake Erie. And uh, thankfully it didn't
come to that. I mean that one whole trip, one
whole trip. That's you. You cut it close, I know,
absolutely cut it close. But we'll get to that later
on in the show. With the Browns, what's going on
with Deshaun Wattson. A couple of interesting layers on that, Plank.
I think that you hear this quite a bit. In basketball,
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there's an expression stuck in the mud when an offense
is just sputtering, they have no rhythm whatsoever. I think
as a sports fan, you can get stuck in the mud,
meaning stuck in the here and now instead of looking
to the future and how this is going to play out.
So we'll do that a little bit later in the show,
but we gotta start with the Dubs, the Warriors. They
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get another championship, their fourth one in eight years. Golden
State finishes off to Boston Celtics despite many, many, many many.
That's where you talked about yesterday, Plank. Whenever the public
is just like, oh yeah, game seven, no doubt, Game
six of the mirror formality, I'm like, ah, and I
didn't have the guts. I'm kicking myself, blank. I saw it,
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I saw it right there, but I didn't have the
guts to take the Warriors outright. I took them with
the points, but they they covered the spread in reverse
and then some as they beat Boston convincingly and take
him another championship. You know, we got we have a
lot to get to on steps the legacy. I'm not
one of those people that felt like he needed an
NBA Finals MVP for vindication or verification or whatever. I
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never felt that way, but a lot of people did.
And so I don't know what they're complaining about. Stuff
is gonna be now, But it's wild to me to
think how hot and just in this game specifically, right,
let's just focus on Game six last night, how everything
went Boston's way to start this. I mean, I'm legitimately here,
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I've I've got, you know, my studio, and I'm i'm
I'm keeping tabs on the game. I'm writing some notes
for the show today and I look up and it's
twelve two, and it's like, okay, what just happened? And
then and then literally I felt like the next blink,
it was a fifteen point Golden State Warrior lead. It
could not have gone any better in the first couple
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of minutes for setting its tone, trying to hey, We're
not going anywhere planning your flag, if you will, solidifying
your your belonging. And I mean I get it. They
made a run, they cut into what a late But
as soon as that twenty oh run hit, I kind
of felt like it was done. And that's a terrible
thing to say for you know, is as hard as
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it looked like Boston fought. But man, they did some
dumb things and you hit it on the head yesterday.
I was thinking about you when watching the defense of
the Warriors. Andrew Wiggins. Great job last night. That Warrior's
defense doesn't get the credit it deserves. But why the
hell are you switching Al Horford one on one with
Steph Curry and key moments right and switching when you
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don't have to. I mean, if I'm Jayson Tatum or
Jalen Brown and I see that, I'm gonna have to
switch with Al Horford. And I think Jayson Tatum even
did it a couple of times where he left this guy.
I like Al Horford. I like Al Horford one on
one with Steph Curry, and that situation presented itself way
too much down the stretch of that game for any opportunity,
and when stef saw it. He took him right to
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the rim and scored with ease. So Boston good team
this year, but man, they did some dumb things to
keep themselves from staying in this game, a lot of them.
And look, it was a combination. When you look on
the other side of the floor, you look at Boston's offense,
where just stupid decisions left and right, but outstanding Warriors defense.
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It's both. So it was both the last three games
where you look at Boston scoring nineties seven points in
that Steph Curry epic forty three point performance right, and
then game five they scored ninety four, and then Boston
last night scores ninety. They didn't crack triple ditch. It's
the last three games and some of that is stupid
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decision after stupid decision turnovers, but it's not just bad decisions.
It's also outstanding Warriors defense. And they started to finally
get some of their flowers last night. But it's like
we've been seeing this throughout most of the playoffs, especially
this series. In the last three games, their defense was
superb and you look at it collectively, it was Andrew
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Wiggins was phenomenal. He made defensive plays left and right,
and so yeah, I thought that was one of the
biggest factors for Golden State winning this series was their
defense was so consistently good. Yeah, it was really good.
I will say I was telling the guys this before
we hit the air. Completely forgot andre Iguodala was a
Warrior until he checked in late in the game. I
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was like, well, what, he's still on the Warriors. And
I that resonated with me because he was their defensive
guy whenever they made their runs and and won their
titles a couple of years ago. Here he's a bit
player that comes in off the bench and plays one minute.
The dude that ascended into that role was Andrew Wiggins.
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And I mean, again, for a guy that was supposed
to be terrible, I mean, he just looked amazing. Hit
hits the Big Three whenever you start to have the
run from from Boston. But I mean you can't. I
know that Golden State turned it over a lot last night.
They finished with twenty turnovers, But you can do that
when you're forcing twenty two turnovers, and of those twenty
two turnovers, you're getting thirteen steals in the game last night,
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And again, I want to give all the credit in
the world to the Warriors defense. And I wanted Own
State fans mad at me or anything, because again, I
don't care if you're mad at me, but I think
that it deserves the shine. As you say, oh my gosh,
Boston put themselves into chiculous and look at their best player,
Jason Tatum. Oh my gosh, rough Night, rough Night. Thirteen
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points on eighteen shots. That's we have more shots than points.
That's bad. That's bad. He was six or eighteen from
the field. And I'll tell you this plank. I was
thinking about this. I think this is where when you
hear those things experience and championship d NA, you hear
that type of stuff, but it's like, what does that
really apply to I think it goes back to Game one.
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Think about this, where Golden stated was clear they were
focusing on Jason Tatum. They were like, he's their engine,
let's focus on him, let's slow him down, and the
role players are not just gonna kill us. Well they
did kill him. In Game one. You had that epic
shooting performance, a once in a lifetime, the planets aligned,
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the solars, everything you had, Derek White, Al Horford Marcus
Smart combined to shoot fifteen for twenty three from three
point range. Al Horford alone hit six three pointers. That
was this Jordan's shrug game, you know. But think about
how tempting it could have been for the Warriors to
overreact to that and say, oh, we gotta change our
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game plan. The role players are killing us. They just
lost game one at home, and they stuck to what
they do. They're like, all right, let's not overreact, let's
not panic, let's make some subtle adjustments, let's tweak a
few things. But they still keyed on Jason Tatum and
they were like, these role players, Dy'd not gonna do
that consistently in a full series. And that's exactly how
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it played out. I am I am so in awe
of what the Warriors have done, and I want to
get into it later in the show, in the team
building side of it, right, so many different players, but
you hit you hit it on the head. Cash. I'm
a grain with you way too much in the open.
But it's there's so many things that on last night
that just you kind of look at and you just
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you can't do anything but kind of shake your head
in in in awe. In a lot of ways, because
I thought about Game one and if the Warriors would
have done to the Celtics what the Celtics did to
the Warriors in Game one, we might have got a sweep, right.
I don't know if Boston could have recovered from a
meltdown in the fourth quarter like Golden State did. And
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I think everyone outside of Arnie span your kind of
thought that Game one would not be an indication of
how the series would go. In other words, we're not
gonna see the Warriors what the bad in a fourth quarter,
and they they still found themselves even after Game one,
Brian in a very tough spot. You know, they win
Game two, they go to Boston, they lose Game three,
They're now two games to one, and you don't Again
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it sounds corny whenever people talk about a championship mindset,
a pedigree, a mindset, the experience. But I think even
with basically three to four guys who have been to
consist to pieces that are playing, they still found a
way to overcome any of the mistakes they had made.
And I mean put together two very three straight very dominant,
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you know, fourth quarter performances after having a terrible fourth
quarter in Game one. I'm just kudos the Warriors. I
didn't think they'd be back whenever uh Katie moved on,
and then Steph got hurt and Clay gets hurt. Bryan,
I didn't think we'd be talking about this, yea, and
I thought it'd be boy. Clay had a great Steph
had a great season. Look at all those threes he hit.
Oh there's Draymond being a moron getting technicals. Oh look
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Clay Thompson's back. He's he's knocking down threes late in
the game's big time. And oh they beat the Lakers
in a meaningless uh first round playoff game. I did
not envision Jordan Poole being what he became. I did
not envision Looney taking the steps that he made. It's
just it's really to me a testament to team building,
to coaching, and as Steph Curry that they're in the spot,
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it's I'm in all right now what they've been able
to do. And they were on display all night last
night in Boston they were, and that was what a
sweet way to end it. On the road the same venue,
they're chanting f you, Draymond, and you always hear this
like you want to win it at home. I think
it was sweeter for them to win it on the
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Slash match limitations apply, you know, plankster, Let me throw
(16:09):
something at you here because you all ears over there
is there a wasp around? Are they open for business?
They'll start attacking me here an hour or two or three. Uh,
I keep waiting for it. My my studio is a
disconnected garage from my house, and it literally is where
a previous owner would park their cars. So a little
(16:31):
little scent of oil. I might be high after the
program and obviously bug Schloes. So I'm fighting for the people, Brian.
That's what I do. Hey, you power through, that's you
power through. Um. So let me throw this at you, um.
Draymond Green he was talking about this after the win
last night, Warriors win another championship, and he said, for
all those um paraphrasing here, but for all those people
(16:54):
in the postgame press conference, for everybody saying, oh, Steph
had to win to solidify his legacy, No he didn't.
That was stupid. But it got me thinking and there
were a lot of naysayers, there's no doubt about it,
where some people said he was the product of a system,
and they harp on his deficiencies, like on the defensive end,
and there are criticisms to be made, but it made
(17:16):
me think of he didn't need this to solidify his legacy,
meaning winning a fourth ring, he would have still gone
down as an all time great player, but man, this
helps boost his legacy. And it reminds me of Tom Brady,
where if you look at Brady, he didn't need to
win his seventh ring to solidify his legacy, but winning
(17:38):
that seventh ring was a huge deal to win a
ring away from the Patriots and away from Belichick, and
it didn't make his legacy, it didn't solidify it, but
it boosted it greatly. So I see a parallel between
both Brady and Steph Curry where it wasn't essential, it
didn't make or break their legacy, but man, it boosted
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it a lot more than before. I think that's a
great point. Cad. You can't stop it. What did you do?
Did you take something this morning? You're making great points
this morning, because I still I I shake my head
in utter disgust whenever I hear people that question Tom Brady.
I'm like, he literally went to a completely different team.
What what do you need from him? Where you're not
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going to accept that he's great? I mean, I think
I think sometimes people get on a hill and that
hill is crumbling to its foundation, but they're ready to
die on it regardless of how dumb it makes them look.
And I feel like there's still gonna be people that
do that today with Steph Curry. I don't know how
I'm here for it, because I'd love to see how
you can question, well, he missed a shot in the
(18:44):
third quarter. I mean, it's not what we're gonna right,
is what it's gonna come down to, uh, because and
he did it. Listen. I I understand that some people
can say that that Trio and Steph and Clay and Draymond,
but you know, Draymond has excuse me, Clay hasn't in
a regular part of this team for a full season, right.
I mean literally, he didn't gosh off the top of
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my head. Maybe it would have been smart at me
to look, but I want to say until what at
the very least after the All Star break where he
really kind of started to hit Clay Thompson's groove. Maybe
a little bit later than that. So Steph Curry not
only you know, some might say, well he's had the
same crew, but he is. He's had the same two
guys with him. But with Clay it's been the injury,
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and then it's a completely different supporting gash sure, completely different.
So if you wanted to dog them for going and
getting Katie to win a couple of titles and then
Katie's injury coming uh in nineteen and not allowing them
to beat the Raptors, however you wanted to knock them before. Man,
this really silence is that, doesn't it? It really does,
And think about it, think how much has changed. As
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you've said, it's not just the new guys that are
a part of the team with Andrew Wiggins and Auto
Port Junior. You go down the list Jordan's pool. These
are new players. They are we weren't around for any
of the earlier rings. But it's also it's Clay and
Draymond Green where think of how different they are in
terms of versions of themselves. Where Draymond Green years ago
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he was a triple double machine. Draymond played really well
last night. That was one of the only games he
played well in and Clay Thompson. We always talked about
Game six Clay. That was not on display last night. Right,
twelve points on twenty shots. That was not even a
good performance by Clay. And so for Steph, he really did.
He put the team on his back and he was
(20:34):
absolutely tremendous. But yeah, it boosts his legacy greatly. We
weren't talking about Steph being the best point guard of
all time before he won his fourth ring in his
first finals m v P. We're doing that now. And
you go back to when Brady left New England. There
was it was not unanimous that Brady was more responsible
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for the Patriots dynasty than Belichick. But he goes the
Tampa wins the ring and it's like, oh, yeah, it
was Brady right. There are a lot of people fashionably
late arriving to that party and giving Brady his just do.
But I just see a parallel between Steph and Brady
where winning their latest ring it was huge for their legacy.
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Although it didn't make it, it boosted it greatly. Yeah,
I mean, and it's it would have been interesting to
see what the reaction would be like had Golden State
not shown that championship medal and not bounced back right
from game one, and that kind of weighed him down.
But that's not what this franchise is about. And you
mentioning Draymond Green, listen, I know that for a lot
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of people he's rubbed in the wrong way. I fall
in that category, But you can't deny what he does
in this setting, what he does for this team, and
doing it in a way that is much different than
before in the previous a C three, four or five,
in the previous seven trips that the Warriors had made
just to the playoffs alone. He was a digit scoring machine, right.
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He averaged double digits in six of those seven seasons.
And you mentioned the triple double aspect to it, uh
nine rebounds for game tanner rebounds for a game nine
point three And this is all on the playoffs. And
the dude barely averaged nine points per game and barely
averaged even eight boards. Now that's still, you know, good
for his role, but it's not what it was. You
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gotta step up there you had experienced that was gone
right andre Iguadal again, like I said, completely forgot he
was on the team, came in for his curtain call.
You know, names like David West had moved on. As
as interesting as it was to bring this name up,
a Zaza Pachula was a guy who would played a
role for them Andrew Bogan at time, it's a completely
(22:42):
different supporting cast and everyone almost fits perfectly and what
their new role was. And yet who's the ringleader of
them all? Who's the guy that's still there Steph Curry.
So it's gotta be fascinating to find out what the
haters And again I don't see a ton of it
that just like, oh, he's a terrible basketball player. But
it's sports radio, so someone's crafting that take as we
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get rolling here on a Friday morning. But I just
I'm in awe, dude, I am in utter all today.
And it's maybe it's some bitterness, maybe it's some jealousy
because the Lakers haven't been able to do what the
Warriors have been able to do over the last five, six,
seven years. And you just have to you gotta bow
to him. You got kind of chip your hat to him.
It's it's incredible. It's incredible to see how they've rebuilt
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this and still found a way to be a dominant
force in the NBA. I like what you said about
crafting crafting an argument. Oh gosh, it's happening like crazy
right now, you know. Uh. There's some epic audio after
the game last night, Chris, where of course, the Warriors
win a championship to close out the Celtics on their
home floor in Game six, and Clay Thompson after the win,
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he had a great quote about the Memphis Grizzlies. You
gotta just check this out. Is top shelf here you go.
Strength is alive, and well, I can't wait. There's just
one player in the Grizzlies who tweeted strength and Numbers
after they beat us in the previous season, and it
pissed me off so much. I can't wait to retweet
that thing. Freaking bum. I had to wash that almost
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like this freaking cloud. Okay, okay, okay, sorry, that memory
just popped up. You're gonna mock us like you ain't
ever been there before. Bro, We've been there, We know
what it takes, so to be here again. Wow, that
is tremendous. And that was Jaren Jackson Jr. Who put
that out there. Regular season Grizzlies win a game strength
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to number. You heard Clay Clay is not happy, not
a fan of that. Well, Clay Thompson hasn't tweeted since
May seventeen, so, uh, where's the retweet at Clay? I
need it. I mean, I'm just and it's funny because
I think at the time, you're feeling again. I'm not
here to defend Jaren Jackson Jr. Buy any stretch of
(24:55):
the imagination, but you're kind of feeling yourself right because
the grizz are rolling in it. You feel good about things,
and then uh talk about your all time when keeping
it real goes wrong. I mean in fairness, I mean
Jackson is a double digit scoring guy in the league,
so I don't necessarily know if you want to call
him a bomb. But still I completely understand that frustration
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from Clay. Now get to Twitter dot com and give
me the retweet, Clay, because I'm tired of looking at
your Mountain dew legend tweet from May seventeen. Let's go,
let's go. I want to see the petty. I thought
the king of petty was Steth Curry. Let's go, Clay. Clay,
you missed that tweet like you missed all those threes
last night. So Clay's the bum. That guy is finished.
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Where is this bitterness coming from. I'm not I'm I'm
not a fan of any team in the bear Oh.
I see it as he's wearing his Dodger his Dodger stuff.
I get it now, I understand. I get the deal here.
Let me throw this at you too, Chris. Where I
was thinking about um. Jeff Van Gundy has said this before,
and it's a great line. He says, comparison is the
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thief of joy, and there's a lot of truth to that. Right.
If you said, Steph Curry compared to this legendary NBA
player he doesn't stack up and all of a sudden
the joy is lost, you know, or Lebron compared to Jordan,
all those type of things. But I think last night
made me think of a different way where sometimes comparison
is the thief of the truth. And I think that
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applies to the Warriors, where the Warriors now have been
compared to the Warriors of the past, and it's like
that got people away from the truth of how great
of a team they currently are. Right, It's not about
the Warriors now compared to the Warriors in ten when
they won their first championship before all the injuries to
Clay Thompson and all of that. It's not the Warriors
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now compared to the k D Warriors and how dominant
they were. It's the current Warriors compared to the other
current teams in the NBA. Right, Is that about the
Warriors now? To the Warriors, then it's about who their
competition is currently, and they just showed that they're the
best as of right now. So I think that they
were doubted primarily because they were compared to themselves years
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ago to a fault, and it got a lot of
people away from the truth. And what of kudos to
the legacy that they had built right, the foundation that
they had put put forth prior to this run this season.
I'm so bad at this. I'm just gonna make it
very clear, Brian. I hate whenever these types of things
come up, because there, let's see, uh comparison is the
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thief of joy, thief of truth. I like to call
him fun suckers. They fucked the excuse me, hold no,
they sucked the fun saves. Oh, they sucked the fun
out of the whole celebration. They really do. And the
mindset that you would wake up this morning and the
first thing, and and and again I'm a Lakers fan.
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I cannot hide my allegiances. But the idea that the
first thing I would do is wake up and say, well,
they're not the same Warriors team that they were in
seventeen eighteen when they had Durant. Who cares right, right?
I mean? And to try to compare it to that
is as you mentioned, it's unfair. It's it's it does
it takes away from this team. It causes you to
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drop f bombs on the end, and and in the end,
more than anything else, it's just it's it's wrong. I mean,
every single team has their own identity, and every single
team has their own mindset, and every single team has
their own uh positives and negatives, and then suddenly say, well,
they're not that team. I don't know about you, Bron,
but I don't care. Championships silence everything my mind whenever
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it comes to critiques. I'm just saying that's where it
stems from the reason that the Warriors were doubted so much.
If you do the math on it, it's because, even
though people aren't directly saying it, they're not as good
as they once were. That's what they're thinking. That's what
leads to them being doubted as much as they were
where I mean, think about last night going into Game six,
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it was just like oh, game seven, no doubt, it's
a no doubt, or like wait what we also we
went around the hoard and we all kind of felt
the same way, right, It's like, what is this based on?
Where are we getting this from? Well, it's in Boston
and I don't know they lost there, but they're gonna
win this because it's on their home court. And that's
you were right, That's all we had, Yeah, but that's
what it's them from. The reason they were doubted so
much is because people indirectly they were comparing them to
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their past dominant ways and with Kevin Durant, they they
were they were a better version of themselves. But that
doesn't mean that they weren't still good enough to win
a championship. And that's what they did exactly. You see
this all the time. Yeah, And I'm such a nerd
right now, I'm sitting here. I I just started following
this season stat muse on on Twitter, really good account.
Maybe I don't know. Sometimes I feel like they make
(29:49):
up numbers because they're so in depth. But I mean
there's there's things that people will probably complain about today.
I saw this in the last nine finals, only three
teams and win a championship while being rebounded the Warriors
at fifteen eighteen twenty two. I'm sure someone's gonna fight
a problem with that, Right's well, see, how can they
be one of the greatest? But I don't think we're
sitting here this morning trying to call this Warrior's team
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one of the greatest of all. No, no, no, no, yeah,
I mean so so I think we could call him
down there, just a little bit epic segment. I didn't
know Clay Thompson was a phantom mountain dew and I
didn't know you would accidentally drop an F bomb. It happens.
We're wide awake. Man. When you try, yeah, good gain,
thank you. When you try to combine fun sucker together,
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I'm just gonna give you a word of it. Do
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(31:16):
Happy makes me think of Dave Matthews, who was at
the at the game last night. I freaking hate Dave Matthews.
Freaking hate It's just too happy. It's like hippie happy.
There's just something about hippie happy that's a different kind
of happy that makes me want to just like destroy.
I don't know, uh Walls, you know, like an anti
(31:37):
weed take or something. Do you not like the Gons
or something? Is that what this is about? No? No,
just so you don't like hippie happy and you consider
Dave Matthews a hippie. Yeah, it's his music is it's
not quite the like fish hippie vibe, not quite there,
but close enough. They're kissing cousins. I feel like, you know,
(31:59):
or it's enough for me to just despised them. I
lost a bet, actually a true story. I lost a bet.
It was NFL related. I can't even remember which team
it was, but I had to go to a Dave
Matthews band concert and uh Albany. It was in Saratoga,
New York, right outside Albany. And I went to this concert.
I lost the dude. I lost the bet too. Before
(32:20):
the show, just see if freaking people and he just
he Barry Sanders to me, he's just running. We're trying
to go to the restroom before the concert. He's going
in and out. He's just geeked to see Dave Matthews.
I lose the guy. I find him again. It's a miracle.
He does the same thing he's weaving in and I
lost him, and I couldn't find the mistake in my life.
(32:41):
I watched the first song like this sucks, and I
stayed in the venue, but I left. I went to
like the pavilion and ate food and didn't pay attention.
Has the same sound to it. But you know what
I will say, I'm not gonna turn it a couple
of songs, Matthews. Well, I mean, listen, you like Slayer
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and these death metal bands that don't do nothing. Wait,
there's great English that don't do anything but scream into
the microphone. So maybe you don't understand quality music. No, no, no, no,
here's the thing I've been. I've been typecasted over here
like an actor. You know, I'm way more eclectic than
you would think. Planks, Okay, I love the metal that's
my go to. But I'm all over the place man Blues,
(33:28):
Top forty R and B, I'm all over them. I'm
all over the grid on this. But but the hatred
for Dave Matthews is something you can't now, by the way,
just to be clear, that wasn't Dave Matthews. No, it wasn't.
I I looked dead like him. Was that like the
Clay Thompson look alike that got on the court and
shot No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I thought
you meant the music coming back? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
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I was like, oh wow, there got another look alike.
I got you. Sorry. I wanted the side as Wheeze
are significantly better than Dave Matthews. But yeah, he was.
He was on the court last night, essentially last night
for the Celtics. Right now, now, let me throw this
at you because Nick Cassario, he's the Texans GM and
he was a guest on Sports Radio six ten, and
(34:15):
so you'll hear the question in the response about DeShawn
Watson and the trade that was made. The trade is final, right,
like they're they're like, there's no voiding of the like,
the trade is final. The pics are ours. Right, Maybe
you guys can call Goodell and ask him. But I mean,
any trade, forget about this particular one. But to say,
any trade that takes place, there's a process that you
(34:36):
have to go through. Teams agree on that and then
once you agree on it, it gets submitted to the league,
the transaction gets processed, and it goes on file with
the league. Unless there's somebody that's going to go in there,
you know, overnight and the mask and try to you know,
get on a computer and may have a cyber attack
or something like that, I'm not sure there's anything that
could be could be done there. So every trade no
(34:57):
different than the draft day trade, even though it kind
of happens more in real time. Unless I'm missing something
um and or less. If Seth calls Goodell and asked
him for his interpretation and opinion, I would say that,
you know, whatever trades have happened, have happened or in
the past, and now we're just focused on you know,
training camp and moving forward with the team. Yeah. I
just love the whole thing. I love the question like
(35:19):
this can't be like reversed right, Like we're not going
to please tell me we're not going to have DeShawn
Watson back here and we could just go on with
life with Davis Mills. I just love the whole thing.
That's a boatload of confidence I thinking that the Browns
are not going to get Deshaun Watson to be able
to play number one, probably, but at least from a
(35:42):
Texans fans perspective, which I don't know many Texans fans
right now, what would it take for the Browns to
try if let's say, all right, so that's the Texans
side and that was really dumb, well it was. It
could just get resented. No, I we're in this. He's
at O T S right now, he working out with
the team. The trade is not gonna suddenly be rescinded,
(36:03):
you dope. But here's the second part of it. What
would it take for Cleveland to say, all right, this
is too much? If he gets suspended for a year
and the NFL says he's got to do X, Y
and Z before he can get back into the league,
is there I mean, they've made their bad Do you
think there is any anything that can happen in this
where Cleveland might say, yeah, we just got to cut
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our losses here. We got to look for an out
in this to where we can because it's got there's
gotta be language in there somewhere that there's an out
in this contract at some point if it gets too
damning from what the NFL finds. I don't see anything
that is likely to happen that would push them to
react that way. You know, that's where I would go,
because they knew where this was headed. They knew what
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they were signing up for, so they knew they would
be in this position for the short term. Coming up,
I'm gonna spin it in a different direction. I think
we're just stuck in the here and now instead of
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Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
I Heart Radio app. By the way, another shout out
to you Eddie Garcia paying up on the bet in
an epic way um in the Fountain earlier across the
street from the Fox Sports Radio studios. It's a tweet
here from the Russian Kid and says, somehow Eddie became
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the only Steelers fan I like, Bravo, that's how much
of a home run this whole thing lot, and I
thank you for the fine play by play work, and
also our friend Justin Cooper for the fine camera work
and giggling. Yes, it's absolutely is. It makes it better.
You gotta have your flavor. Flavor of the video. And
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for those who didn't see I, I did like your
comparing me to t O standing on the star as
I stood in the center of the fountain as the
water was engulfing me, and uh, I was fun. It
was that was that was great. I don't I really
don't like losing any more bets to you. I think
I'm owing two against you. That's right. Yeah, you owed
me cheesecake factory, right, I paid that up a while back.
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Yeah you did. That was that was with I said
that Chiefs wouldn't win the Super Bowl and that was
the year that they lost to Tampa because they were,
you know, defending champs. They were a juggernaut. And yeah,
I'm gonna stop betting you for a while, I think. Okay,
never let it be said, yeah, yeah, no worries. Alright,
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So plankster, let me throw this at you. Where um
Deshaun Watson, by the way, if you're doing a drinking
game with me saying let me throw this at you,
you are a coma toast right now? That is yeah,
that's why go to phrase. But with the Shawn Watson.
I think this plank where you hear this in basketball,
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getting stuck in the mud, where you're just you're no
offense of rhythm, You're not in a flow. I think
that can happen with sports opinions. I think that can
also happen with perspective, and I think a lot of
people are stuck in the mud with where the Deshaun
Watson situation currently is instead of looking forward, Like if
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you spin this forward instead of just looking at the president,
and it looks bad right now, bad twenty four lawsuits
where at best this is a case of a creepy quarterback,
right that's at best. It may be way worse than that.
Looks horrible, the reactions word of the Browns thinking they're
a disaster, they're a dumpster, fire yacht. Yeah, that's all
about the present. If you spin this forward and look
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at the future, what's likely going to end up happening?
If you ask yourself that what will likely happen? Deshaun
will have to pay financially. Most likely he's either gonna
end up settling or might be found liabel in a
couple of these cases, maybe not all. He'll have to
pay he'll get suspended and life will go on. And
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if you play a game of who's in a better
spot going forward? Is it the Browns who traded for
Deshaun Watson or is it the other teams who are
trying to trade for Deshaun Watson and didn't land the guy?
Do you think the Saints or the Browns are in
a better position going forward? Do you think that Jamis
Winston is a better option than Deshaun Watson considering the
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entire ball of wax, I don't how about the Panthers?
You like Sam Donald and Matt Corrall, you they it's
a better spot to be in. Or you think it's
the Browns. I think it's the Browns. If it's the Falcons,
Desmond Ritter, what are the chances des or Eminem has
a better two headed monster than Deshaun Watson, like virtually
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no chance? And the last one the Seahawks. The Seahawks
were interested. Right now they have Drew Lock and Geno
Smith or or or maybe your boy Baker Mayfield. Maybe
if things work out right, do you think that's a
better spot than the Browns. So instead of just looking
at it from the present, look to the future, and
it doesn't look nearly as bad as it does right here,
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right now. Boy, But you're really ignoring a pretty massive,
let's the term pink elephant in the room. If you're like, hey,
these sixties six allegations and these twenty two civil cases,
if you look to the future, I mean, I agree
with you, right, but you're also then looking at almost
a fifty five million dollar cap hit that he's gonna
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be in twenty three, fifty five million and twenty four.
I mean, you're you You're gonna have some tough decisions
to make on guys. And yes, I know. The big
headline is Jadeveon Clowney chose to go with the Shawn
Watson and that's why he's back in Cleveland. He was
gonna go with him where ever he went. He's gonna
go to Atlanta, he's gonna go to Carolina. Wherever to
Shawn Watson went. That's where Jadeveon Clowney. So I don't
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disagree with you. I think you're really overlooking what could
end up being a pretty significant suspension here and then
Cleveland's gonna do some cap gymnastics. Think about this too,
you might Houston is the interesting part of this to
me because if Deshaun Watson doesn't play this year and
you've got to go with Brissette, our heaven forbid Joshua Dobbs,
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no offense Tennessee fans, but you lived it. I mean,
Houston could be sitting with what maybe a potential two
top five picks. I still think the Browns are good,
but they're not nearly as good if you're dealing with
ja Kobe Brissett in two. So I'm with you long term,
it's and as a long term play by Cleveland, their
hope is that Okay, by the time this this is settled,
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everyone's forgotten about it and we move on. Because Mike
Vick had a career after spending time in prison. Okay,
he went to level he was in prison. Now, obviously
these are these are women, not you know, animals. But
still the NFL and fans have shown that they're incredibly
forgiving in most instances. So I think it's a very
(42:55):
interesting point. But man, it's hard to look past what's
right in front of our face with us right now.
But you gotta he got it because you have to
ask yourself what's likely to happen? How will this realistically
end up, and I think that's exactly this year. I
think so I do um because they've had success before
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and they would have to know, like if it's Jacoby
Brissette the whole season, that sets a lot different. You
shouldn't expect the sun in the moon if that's the case.
All I'm saying is this is that there's a reason
that all of those other teams wanted to Shaun Watson
solely understanding the allegations, the lawsuits, the potential outcome. They knew,
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they were well aware, their eyes were wide open, and
they were still involved in a bidding war because they
know they were aware of how deep this went with
the New York Times article this past with sixties six
women in terms of massages, and then we have now
twenty four lawsuits and they might not have known everything,
but they had a legitimate idea of where things were
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and where they might go. Five it's like this might
be a problem. Yeah, it's not like they're like, whoa wait,
it's up to twenty four and there were sixty six
massus is like they're just stunned, Like we didn't know
any of this, we wouldn't have been involved. Yeah, they
would have because they understand that the present chaos it
doesn't matter. The long run is what matters. That's why
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they were involved. And you can sit here and tell
me that shouldn't be the case and they should do
the PR thing, and okay, but I'm at I'm telling
you how things are. I'm not telling you how they
should be. I'm telling you how things are and pr
and great character and all that stuff, like, it doesn't
matter in terms of who wins the Super Bowl. There's
a reason why it's not the Lawrence Taylor Man of
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the Year Award, you know what I'm saying, Like, there
have been dudes that have been bad dudes, but it's
not a game of ethics. It's a game of who
wins the most. And you're gonna blur the lines when
it comes to that. So I'm just saying, Deshaun Watson,
it's a fiasco right now. But if you look towards
the future, these other teams that lost out on him,
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they're gonna be in a worse spot than the Browns are.
But what if two years let's just say hypothetically, you're
expecting him to play this year, right, I do a
portion of the year. Do we worry about a year off?
Do we worry about rust? Or do you look at
and say, oh, that's that's resting his body. He's fine,
He's gonna be good to go. Do you worry about
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the time away from the game. I think there'll be
a little rust, but not anything crazy. Okay, enough, Well
you're you've got a very rosy outlook that right now.
A lot of people have a hard time seeing that's fine.
But it's a good point because you look ahead in
the future and the Browns may up winning this thing.
And I don't know, maybe the Falcons look at it
now and say, boy, we dodged a bullet with ever
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with all of these new allegations, but when it got
passed like two, when he got past, you knew what
you were in for. So four sixty six shouldn't be
surprising to anyone. It shouldn't be. And the other wild
card is how does this dude behave going forward? Like
That's I got more questions about that than on the field,
for sure, But I would hope that he's learned his lesson.
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We'll see what happens going forward.
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