July 1, 2022 • 43 mins
Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington explain why USC and UCLA leaving the Pac-12 for the Big Ten is a long time coming and only the beginning of College Football realignment. They try to figure out what the hell is going on in the NBA with reports of Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving wanting to leave Brooklyn together. Plus, a Gulfstream Park edition of "Horse Name or Horse Crap."
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Areans Brady Quinn and Jonas Knocks
on Fox Foorts Radio. It was something. This day was
dubbed months and months and months ago by the great
Brady Quinn who called it a football Friday. Are Yeah,
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come on Friday. Need to tell so it is a
football Friday. We're gonna have some fun here. We must
we must address um a major major story on this show.
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Um you know. And uh, I'm not gonna reveal how
I was able to obtain this information, but I just
want to be the first as a member of this show.
Do us say, Happy birthday, LaVar, Happy birthday to LaVar Arrington.
Uh just uh birthday? Yeah, well listen, it counts. It
counts with with the Shenanigans you pulled yesterday, it counts.
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This is a happy Birthday to LaVar Arrington. A little belated,
but only three minutes past your birthday on our great
affiliate in Hawaii, Fox Sports nineties. So we're going to
count it. And so there it is. Happy birthday, LaVar.
Appreciate it, appreciate really great? You look great? Anything exciting you? Well,
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I'm losing my belly a little bit. So it's just good,
you know. Alright, so the new age resolution, you know,
I gotta lose my belly. Well listen, I don't notice that.
I think you look great? Uh yeah, it's at least
I could do. Um. Alright, So you guys being a
college football led Jan's uh what a birthday gift for me? Right? Yeah?
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And you guys, uh being the you know, the all
the success you had in college football. If I would
have told you, um, when you guys were playing, you know,
one day U c l A and USC you're going
to the Big ten, what what sort of reaction are
we getting? Uh? If U C l A USC to
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the Big ten was the story, because that was the
story yesterday. They are on their way to the Big
ten in uh So, now we've got all these potential matchups,
We've got all this conversation. This comes down to money. Correct,
the amount of money the Big ten could offer as
opposed to the Pack twelve, that would be my assumption,
and the and the amount of money that those brands
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can generate. I mean, because that's not just you know, yes, yes,
let me ask you this because I'm assuming this right
all the sports go into the Big Ten, right or
at least all the sports. I mean, the only one
that would not is beach volleyball. Okay, okay, alright, okay, Well,
I mean that bothers me a little bit. I would
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want to actually of it. I'm with you because I
look at it and go first off, there's great volleyball
programs in the Big Ten. Um, it doesn't take much
to bring in a bunch of sand and put it
in a play box around a volleyball court. How many
how many frat parties do they have do they bring
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in sand in the bench. I'm just saying to um,
but you're talking about basketball as well. That can matter
and can count for for the conference. So yeah, it's
definitely about the money. We we know that, and we
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also know how big of a brand UM in terms
of football, tradition and history, UH and culture USC football
all is now U c l A maybe not so much,
but U c l A has been competitive at times,
have had good players come out of for certain UH
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consistently have had good players come out of U c
l A. So and Chip Kelly, you know, he seems
to get it back on track this past season. So
if he's still there. I think it lines up to
have UM. I don't want to say, I don't want
to sound like a Big Ten elitist, but it's it.
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It lines up to have really really interesting matchups that
are sellable matchups that that are monetize herble matchups. I
don't know how much success U, C, l A or
USC will have in in that type of a conference
UM having to stay in it UM. But but I
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think it's great for the conference to have it. I
think that it does push it over the top being
a super conference and and and I think that it
makes it. It makes the case that that whoever comes
out of the Big Ten, or maybe even the second
team and the Big Ten, there could be you know,
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multiple teams that come from the Big Ten that could
end up in the NFL or the College Playoff. Yeah.
I mean my first thought was Rose Bowl, Like I
literally first thought the Rose Bowl, Like, this is a
Pac ten back in the day, Big ten, back in
the day. They go through the regular seasons, the top
two teams will get to play off in the Rose Bowl.
Like That's what it made me think of. And the
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combination of the two going, well, who did it? Love
watching the Rose Bowl right like, now you get this
potentially every week because you've got USC and u C,
l A. Who are two of the you'd say, you
know better programs. I mean, as far as football goes,
USC is the best football program in the patch. Wealve
as far as basketball, US the best basketball program in
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the patch. Wealve so as far as those two brands,
um and you're taking both those two brands, two teams.
You're universities in the second biggest media market in the country,
and you're adding them to your roster. Like there is
so much value from the standpoint of the Big Ten.
Their geographic footprint and their ability to go literally from
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east coast to west. There is no other conference in
sports that can say they can do that, none and
so little. You go from the Jersey Shore from d
C all the way to l A. And that is
huge and it's powerful. That's why you know the Big
Ten obviously those rights are gonna go for you know,
more than the SEC, more than anything else right now,
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and and and really when you think about the big
media markets, it encompasses Chicago number three as far as
media markets, and encompasses l A now number two in
media markets you do brush up against the East coast,
you know, you get those bigger, bigger markets that you know,
traditionally aren't they're not college football towns. But now people
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are gonna start paying attention and people are gonna start
watching more, and so your window and Saturdays it starts
at noon to watch games and it can go all
the way until ten pm Pacific time. That is a huge,
huge revenue driver for a conference where the SEC just
doesn't have that. They just they don't. And the other
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thing I'd say, and I think it's lost in all
of this is if people want to blame USC or
u C l a UM or the Big ten conference,
you can do that if you want. The reality is
this has been a long time coming, folks. This has
been This has been a lack of leadership at the
PAC twelve. It goes back to Larry Scott, their commissioner,
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the Pact twelve commissioner, who never figured out their TV
rights distribution, who can never get the Pact twelve network
up and running so it was actually successful and able
to pay the universities more. He he was constantly behind
there and by the way, blame USC Pat Hayden Lynn
Swan all their athletic directors who constantly fumbled, the lack
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of leadership at their university after Pete Carroll, who, Yeah,
they had as as good of a run of success
as anyone in college football, but it fell apart because
they cheated and they never were able to recover from that.
So that led them to a spot of desperation where
they look around, they go, well, everyone else in the
Big Ten and the SEC is making thirty million dollars
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or more on average from their TV deal than we're making.
We can't compete with that. You just can't. And so
this isn't the end of the realignment or movement in
college sports. This is only the beginning, and a lot
of it was brought on by the lack of leadership
and everything else that occurred long before Texas and Oklahoma
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decided to join the SEC in a few years. It
was before that. And I think COVID actually held expedite
this whole movement because what happened, and I've talked to
you know, Jonas about this. We we as a people,
when COVID hit, we stopped kind of like, oh, yeah,
we want to make sure we look out for one another.
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No everyone's first thought was like, I need to go
find a way of getting like the food I need.
I need to go get toilet There was a run
on toilet paper, sanitizer wipes, like no one could buy
enough of it. It's like, okay, you need five packs
of toilet paper, Yeah, you can't spare one. I mean
it started then, honestly, and that's around the time too,
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when you saw Texas in Oklahoma go, I don't think
the Big twelves is gonna last very long, much longer.
We'd rather go to the SEC. It makes sense geographically.
Texas already looked at that anyway, And I think I
think it started the conversation with a lot of schools
and a lot of conferences like what's our future? You know,
how does this play out for us? And you know,
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kudos to the USC and u c l A for
looking past saying what we need to stay in the
Patch twelve to keep this conference afloat. That's just not
where college sports is. You're you're moving towards two super conferences.
That it's gonna be the Big ten absorbing Pack twelve,
maybe some Big twelve and the SEC absorbing the a SEC.
Probably that's where this thing's going. And by the way,
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on the COVID front of all the Power five conferences,
who handled it the worst? I would say the PAC
twelve and it's not even close. And they were exposed
as having no direction, no plan, no idea what to do. Meanwhile,
you've got players from the Big ten who are who are?
Who are? You know on the forefront like leading you know,
these marches in public. We want to play, we want
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to play, can we please play? Yet the SEC was
already in the a CEC was already in I just
I look at it and I go from a traditionalist standpoint.
You know, I don't like it because I just think
of them as PAC ten PAC twelve growing up watching it.
But it makes sense because one of the numbers I
heard that was thrown out is these schools in the
Big ten, with the new TV deal coming up, are
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going to get a hundred million dollars a piece like that.
That was one of the members. And I don't know
if that's if that's completely okay, seventy seventy plus million.
But you know, just just with the announcement of USC
and U c l A, Apple was now re engaged
in conversations with a big ten for first streaming. I
mean that was like on the table that it wasn't.
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Now with these two schools come along, they're back in negotiations.
So to your point, maybe it will be a hundred
million per year, but it's gonna be at least seventy
plus million. Yeah, why should they wait around for the
Pack twelve to figure out you know, their asked from
their elbow. If they couldn't figure it out during COVID
and they haven't been able to figure out this whole time,
make the move, Go make your money. I I don't.
I just said it's gonna be competitive. You have to write. Yeah,
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like if you're linking Riley and you left supposedly Oklahoma
and some people thought, well it was because he didn't
want to have to go play in the SEC and
they didn't think Oklahoma was gonna have the resources that
other SEC schools have. Okay, so you go to the
Pack twelve where you're at USC and Mike buon Arino
and everyone else out there is giving you all the
support they can. Guess what, now they're giving you even
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more revenue and support. The problem is you gonna go
play at a conference where it's like playing Utah every week,
Like you go get all the all the star quarterbacks
and wide receivers you want, if you don't have the
boys up front the trenches. And that's what I was
about to say, Iowa Wisconsin, that's what it was bad
every week, and I was I was saying. I was saying.
I didn't want to sound like a big tin elitis,
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but I think that that's going to be a hard
road the whole for for U c l A and USC.
I think it gives them a lot of relevance in
terms of like what you said, Q, I thought was
a great point, is the viewing audience. Now you're bringing
a view an audience that really really finds watching college
football on Saturdays relevant to to the pack twelve teams.
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So USC and u c l A will have a
view an audience that they just have not had. It
hasn't existed. Most people have tuned out for some reason
on on college football when it gets to the late
late night games. Now you've changed that that kind of
that viewing audience that would see USC games on a
regular basis or U c l A games on a
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regular basis, but they're gonna struggle. I mean, they're when
when Maryland came into the Big Ten and Rutgers came
into the Big Ten, you watch these teams struggle and
and you start to realize certain things about um Big
Ten football that don't exist in other other conferences. I mean,
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you can get it in you can see that physicality
in the upper echelonce of teams in the SEC. You
can see it in maybe one or two teams, maybe
one or two teams in the A C C. But
you don't see it on such a consistent basis like
you do in the Big Ten conference where you're talking
about the upfront play, the size just to share brooch
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size and strength of of those players. It's just it shows.
It shows up. You know, in a bowl game, it's
one thing. But when you got to do that weekend
and week out against teams like Wisconsin or teams like
Northwestern or Penn State or Ohio State or Michigan, that's
gonna be that's gonna be a tall test. But I'm
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excited to see it. I say that I'm happy for it.
And I get to go to a game at least
one game too, you know, in California, to see see
Penn State play. That's right, baby, yeah. I Mean the
interesting thing too, is there's so many alumni out on
the West coast that probably weren't tapped in knew quite
as much, and this is an opportunity now. I mean
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I heard something from a state they have twenty thousand
alumni in the state of California that largely might have
just been like, oh, yeah, I love football, but I'm
not waking up that early to watch a new game
or whatever the case is. It opens up all those doors.
I just I think the this thing is gonna be
on really both sides. Like if you're if you're a
USC or u c L A player, you now can
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be waking up on a regular you know basis playing
games at not am, you know, local time for you
new and Eastern. That's a tough transition. Have to fly
across the country and do that. Your body clock better
get on point. Or if you're if you're a part
of you know, a team in the Midwest, you're flying
out to the West coast and you might be playing
a game as late as ten eleven o'clock your time,
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you know, as far as kickoff, and you've gotta get
used to doing that on on the flip side of it.
So there's gonna be some adjustments on both sides. I think,
by and large though, the Big tens of more physical, bigger,
you know conference that runs the football, and that's gonna
get tested, like whether or not USC is gonna be
able to build their program to win that conference. Where
look at Michigan last year, great defense, physical rushing attack,
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like they haven't had that that that just hasn't been
something at USC since Pete Carroll's there, since you know,
Matt Reggie, those guys, and they're gonna be tested like
they're they're gonna be tested as as much as they
ever have been before. Be sure to catch live editions
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three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio. It was a busy day in the NBA yesterday,
a lot of signings day, one of free agencies. He
had guys you know getting long, you know, contract extension,
the Joker in Denver. You had Bradley Beale, you had uh,
you know, different players signing here and there and all
the other stuff, and all of a sudden, Um, Kevin
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Durant has requested a trade, so he would like to
be traded from the Brooklyn Nets. And call me crazy,
but it seems like it was just yesterday that he
wanted to go to Brooklyn. He chose Brooklyn. But now apparently,
even with Kyrie Irving's return, Kevin Durant not into it
and they're working to try and figure out a trade. Uh.
And he's in an attractive trade piece also, not just
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from the talent standpoint, but from the fact that his
contract he's still got the four years remaining. So if
you get Kevin Durant, it's not a one and done situation. Um,
he goes somewhere and you would hope and think that
he would be there for the duration of that contract.
But it is the NBA, so who knows. Maybe to
get he could ask for another trade. Very bizarre the
whole thing put together. I mean, isn't this the team
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that like decided to sign him despite the fact he
was coming off of torn Achilles whatever was, and they
kind of built around him with the whole Kyrie Irving
and maybe he was already there, but James Harden bringing
him as well. Yes, that is correct, and now he
wants to be traded. Yeah, that's him. Okay. I mean
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I don't know. Maybe maybe he's looking at it and
he's been enough places now between Oklahoma City and Golden State,
and he's saying himself, this is not a good organization.
You know. Maybe he's been there long enough to feel
that way and he wants to go and chase more
championships and rings. Like I think as an NBA superstar,
it's easier to do that. Like bottom line is, it
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doesn't matter what your contracts says. You can go somewhere
else if you don't like where you're at. That's just
how the NBA operates, and we're finding that out this
time of year. We find that out every off season.
And I guess I shouldn't really knock it because I
think if I was in his shoes, i'd probably try
it to if I was unhappy with where I'm at
or didn't feel like my team is an opportunity to
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go play for a championship, right. I mean, I always
feel like all roads lead to Miami, I really do,
I think. But besides the fact that like pat Riley
and Eric Spoelster, and that organization has been so consistent
even before Lebron got there, so consistent and everything else
that you'd be enticed by to go down there because
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it's in South Florida and you know, the the the
benefits from you know, financial standpoint, but just the overall
life standpoint. I look at it and go and that
the team that consistently gets to the Eastern Conference finals,
it doesn't seem to have an issue whether Kevin Durant's
there or not, whether Lebron's there or not, And so
why not go to that organization that we needs a
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piece or two more to get over the hump. But
if I'm not mistaken, it's not just Kevin Durant that
wants to be trade. I mean Kyrie Irving wants to
be traded and they want to go somewhere together. Is that?
Is that how this is working out? It should the
whole thing. It doesn't make sense. I don't I don't
understand what sort of conversation was going. I mean, maybe
they just said, hey, we gotta get out of Brooklyn.
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Is this a referendum on Steve Nash? Is this the organization?
To your point? Like none of it makes any sense.
And now it's like potentially you've got a trade for
both of them or what they won't accept the trade.
Like I don't think Duran has a no trade clause.
I just the whole, the whole, The way the the
n b A is handled is so different from every
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other sport to where like in the NFL, I want
to be traded, that's cool, we'll see end of July
a trade account. So it doesn't make any sense. I
don't get it. I don't understand what's happening. I really
know it's bizarre. I mean, but is that report true
about them wanting to play together? I've seen conflicting reports
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it was it was from who. I don't like that.
I just I've seen conflict, conflicting reports on it. I
do appreciate with Schefter two o Adam Schefter would why
would k D Why why would Kadi wait until after
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Kyrie signed the extension or took the option? I should say,
you know what I mean, like, if you want to
if you want to be traded, why not announced that
you wanted to be traded? Why? Why? I mean this
comes amit like literally right after Kyrie signed, you know
the option to to come back, and and everybody was
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stating that he was fulfilling his obligation and his duty
to to play out the contract because of Kevin Durant.
So to me, I think that there's too many twists
and turns on this one. I'm not I'm not certain
that that it's true or it would make sense to
be true to think that they wanted he ky Re
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signed back so that him and k D could be
traded together. I don't know. I don't know that I
buy that. I think that the way the timing of
it plays out, it says to me that possibly k
D wanted to get out. Now that's just my interpretation
of it. You know, it's like, all right, well, if
you're bringing Kyrie back, I I possibly don't, or I
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just don't want to be a part of this organization
and the direction that's trying to go in. I want
to go somewhere where I feel like I'm competitive to win.
I want to stay. For the record, Okay, if one
of you were trying to you know, getting traded or
trying to be traded, I would I well, I'd want
to go with you guys, all right, I should yea, yeah,
before before it happens. Yeah, yeah, And I wouldn't want
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you to wait until after one of us signed an
extension to the current place where we're all working at
and say we got to go together, buddy. But does
that makes weird? Does that make them more tradeable? Is
that the thought process behind if you're under under contract
or I mean, if that's the case. I guess if
that's the case. Um again, that just still seems kind
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of strange. Why would k D wait? Why why would
he wait? I don't know you. Jonas would go my buddy,
my buddy, my body now, Jonah, Jona would hang on
with us Jonas, Jonas got an edge. Jonas does not
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man my buddy and me together. Guys, you know there's
gonna be commercial is about us, Like one of us
is going to be sitting in the back of a
radio flyer and they're like walking around with us together,
like we're all going together. We're just like Kyrie and
Katie according to this report, I'm telling all of us together.
How about that? Funnies. Yeah, let me ask you, guys,
this is how off the rails some of the reporting
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and coverage of the NBA is. If you found out
all of this was a hoax? Would you be that surprise?
Because I wouldn't. I believe every part of it, every
part of it. I don't. I just I don't know
what the strategy was. And look, if you're Ben Simmons,
are you looking around going, do I like what's happening here?
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Like they might just like nobody wants to play with me?
Like I just like, this is how this is gonna work.
If you're Steve Nash, what's going on? I one of
the things that I saw that was out there is
that the nets are gonna take whatever the best deal is.
And so they don't have to acquiesce word Brady quinntopt me.
They don't have to, that's right there on. They don't
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have to. They don't have to cater to him at all,
Like they don't. They don't have to. They don't have
to just sit there and trade him to a preferred destination.
They can send him to where wherever they want. That's
going to give him the best deal. I just I
don't like what what is Kevin Durant's playing? Like, what
is he thinking? Does did Golden State winning a title
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without him like motivate him to want to go win
a title somewhere else. I don't know. Man, if you
roll back Durant, Kyrie and Ben Simmons on that team,
that's a good team. Like, I don't know that he's
gonna find that much talent that he's gonna get paired with.
Because whoever you go to is going to be having
a trade away a lot of talent and a lot
of picks to try and acquire him. It just feels
like there's something else going on here. I also hate
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admitting this, and and it's part of our job. I
get it during sports talk, you know, on your radio. Yeah,
with the n b A, it's like it all just
sorts itself out. It's hard to care right now, honestly,
Like we over drama size things so much. And I
get it because in the n b A, you get
a superstar on your team, you got a shot. You're
now probably a winning team, You're now probably going to playoffs.
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You got a shot. But we make such a big
deal about it, and then you know, this stuff happens
like a year later. It's almost like, yeah, I remember
when he wanted to be traded a year or two ago,
and I remember when there was some drama there and
you know, Kyrie, I didn't like Boston, didn't like this
team was on. I mean, it just it's always something.
It almost it gets to the point where I kind
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of get warned down. I'm serious, like hashtag this league.
Like I just I'm like, okay, just can we get
to the games, Like, just let me know what team
you're playing for. When we get there, we'll talk about
you then, all right, do you just I just do
you remember when the Kevin Durant sweepstakes are going on
and the Celtics thought they had a chance, so Tom
Brady came with them to try and sell Kevin Durant
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on Boston in the Hampton's Like that wasn't that long ago.
Tom Brady's retired once and it's on a new team
and Kevin Durant on like three teams later, and that
wasn't that long ago. This feels like a chapter three
of Kevin Durant wanting out somewhere and everybody trying to
cater to court him to come to wherever they're going
to be. Just the whole thing. It seems like it
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seems way more acceptable for guys to to travel, travel,
and journey. I think I made the point um in
a show previous to this one. But I just still
find myself questioning how much does it play a part
into the legacy that you have, you know, if you
continue to move from team to team, the team the team,
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like what, you know, what bearing does that have? Maybe
it has none? Maybe maybe the evolution of it. Oh,
I mean it made sense. And in the old NBA,
I would say where you ended up on maybe one
or two teams, like when you were in your you know,
your prime. You generally see these these guys pretty much
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with the same team. Now there's been exceptions, you know,
and and Send, you know, lu Au Sender or known
as Abdul Kareem Jabbar going to to the Lakers. You
know at a certain point, you know, will Chamberlain change teams?
I mean people change teams. But it's just it's just
weird to me to think, all right, what if Larry
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Bird became you know, a travel a journeyman so to speak,
in the prime of his career. What if m j
or or you know, Isaiah Thomas or Magic Johnson became
travelers and journeymen around the league during that during the
prime of their career. Um I just, I just I
don't know, and maybe I'm I'm at it the wrong way.
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Maybe it's just simple to look at, but doesn't it
like call your put your your legacy of what it represents,
what you represented as a player, kind of like in
the cross are so to speak? Yeah, Like, I'm right
there with you because I think about when we saw
the Jordan documentary. One of the things that is subtle,
but if you really think back on it, and again,
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I grew up a Cleveland Cavaliers fan, so I watched
Jordan just ruined my childhood dreams year after year after year.
And one of the things that you kind of you
were calling you look back on is you know Jordan
coming out in those Red Bulls uniforms. You know that
the song they came out to, the Darren Darren Dan, like,
all of that, all of that is a part of
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Jordan's Like, all of that's a part of that era,
that success, everything they accomplish, it's all part of It's
part of the branding. It's what made him great. And
when you think of Kobe, you can give a Kobe
in a Lakers uniform, like yeah, he switched numbers, but
it wasn't like you switched teams. And that's another piece
of it, where like when you build a legacy, you're
really co branding that with a very story historic franchise
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and the Lakers or in Jordan's case, building up the
Bulls franchise, where you know, I still think, oh, it's
the Bulls. They got a shot, Like, well, wait a second,
Jordan's not them. But but that's the reality. Like when
I think about Lebron, it was a contemporary to me,
same age, same class of high school. I think I
always will think of him as a Cleveland Cavalier, even
(29:08):
though he had probably more success. You'd stay with the
Miami Heat short you know, short time span there and
obviously has won a championship in the Bubble Boys scenario
with the Lakers, and who knows what else they'll do,
But like that's so identify them. But then you're like, oh,
wait a second, he played for a couple of their
teams and they might not be done, Like he could
go and play somewhere else again, I guess, but I
(29:29):
think I think it becomes harder to cement your legacy
when you're bouncing around team a team, a team that's
one of the things that I don't know if Kevin
Durant cares. And maybe that's just where the NBA, to
your point, LeVar, has gotten to where the players are
now bigger than the brands of the actual team in
the NBA, and I'm not sure that's a good thing,
you know, for the sport when it's all said up.
But again, you've got guys like Steph Curry, who's Golden
(29:51):
State Warrior. He probably will always be a Golden State
Warrior and that's where his legacy will be cemented, draining
threes that Golden State uniform in Northern California, and that's
all all always remember it, But I think there's something
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We are going to have another edition of horse Name
or Horse Crap coming up here momentarily. But round of
applause for lead to Lapman WiFi or no WiFi. Getting
(30:57):
it done on the research uh we uh. I wondered
where the term Charlie horse came from, and Lee went
out of his way to write up a paragraph and
send it out via text. Lee, you want to fill
in the listeners on what you discovered here. Well, yeah,
as the story goes back in the late eighties nineties,
(31:21):
there was a Charlie horse named Charlie spelled l e
Y that the White Sox used to carry the equipment
from the outfield back into the infield, and by the
time it got to third base, it would start limping
because it was so old and the muscles would get stiff.
So players and fans started calling it old Charlie horse,
and that's where the term came from. See Brady, please
(31:45):
the best man well, Charlie, horse is just a cramp
in the Is it the hamstring or the thigh? Like
which which one? Is it just in the leg in general? Leg? Yeah,
that can be like hamstring. Well for some of us,
we don't have calves, so you know, I'm worried about
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the other part of the leg that that would be
considered the strange. I have no legs. I have no legs.
I have no legs like kids on the subway. There's
a movie that couldn't be made nowadays. Yeah, all right,
(32:27):
you guys ready, because I don't know if you know this,
but there's horse racing every weekend, all right, there is
um an in particular, Brady, are you familiar with a
horse racing track called golf Stream? How about that? Where's it? Like,
Hanna Layla? Where's that specifically in Florida? Like what's the
name of that city? Yeah, I don't know whatever that too?
(32:50):
Who cares? I will figure out, well, you know, clean
it up post production. But there is a horse racing
at goulf Stream in Florida coming up later on Today's
So this is something in which I will put together
a list of names. It's either a name that's running
at gold Stream later on today, or to name that
I've made up and it's another edition of something we
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need to call horse name or horse crap? Is it
a horse name or horse crap? And away we go.
It is Brady Quinn versus h crap. All right, So
(33:35):
we have got a list here. Now these are either
horses running a gold stream or horses that I have
made up. So we can start with Brady or LaVar.
You guys decide amongst yourself who wants to go first.
Any strategy. I'm might going to one this weekend. Man,
you're popping me up right now. Yeah, I head down there. Man.
I love horse racing, so it's to like that is
(33:55):
an unbelievable facility. Honestly, it's a great time. I just
I've got young kids, so maybe I can convince that.
Can can convince the horse. You say you're going to
the pettings new you know that's a good point. Yeah,
you can bet. You can bet on it, like I'm
ready to go. Problem, I'm ready to go. I'm hungry.
(34:18):
They can pet a betting slip in the back pocket
there and make a little wager. I win him some
money by him, you know, some cotton candy and away
we go. So the bar who's going first? Who wants
to go first? Here? Alright? Alright Brady? Alright, So so
Brady Quinn a horse name or horse crap? And we
start with mud Shaft horse name or horse crap. Oh gosh,
(34:46):
this is gonna be tough because these are like the
major races. I'm gonna say horse crap. Yeah, I mean,
what do you think I'm gonna like have some inappropriate
name here like that? Now Much was inappropriate? That isn't?
(35:06):
That is an actual name of a horse running get
gold Stream later on today? Much I was thinking the same.
I was about to say the same exact very strange.
All right, we go next over to LaVar Arrington, LaVar,
the name for you here on this edition of Horse
Name or Horse Crap? Cajun tease. I'm going with a
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horse name that is correct, is on the board that
is correct, and he's got a one point lead here
on this edition of Horse Name or Horse Crap. Next
over to Brady Quinn here on Fox Sports Radio. Brady,
the name for you is long Clawed Van Dam. Oh
my crap, let's make it. Didn't make it easier, honestly,
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horse trap there, Jonas, I wish it was a horse name.
That is correct, Brady, long clawed van Damn is a
horse crap. That's a that is correct. So we are
all tied up here at one a piece and we
go next over next over to LaVar Arrington on this
edition of horse Name or Horse Crap? LaVar, what about
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riding dirty? Oh see, that's a that's a heart one.
You get me heart ones, careful, right? Okay, so I'm
gonna say horse crap. That is correct. That's that is
a that's a difficult that's a heart one. That definitely
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could have been a horse alright. So we next go
over to Brady Quinn here looking to tie things up
on horse name or horse crap. If he gets this correct,
he ties it up. Brady, the name for you is
mountain glue. That is very good. Dumb, what what's like? Listen?
(37:05):
I don't want to play anymore these around the What
do you want to play? All right? What was long? Alright?
So let's get back on track. Let's be adults here.
We're all tied up at two a piece on this
edition of a Horse Name or Horse Crap? Right, so
let's be adults here. LaVar Arrington. The next name for
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you here is run Jeremy. Yeah, that's that's Oh my gosh,
I'm saying horse crap. That is correct. There's something wrong
with you, Jonas. You honestly try to act like you
steer this thing in the right direction. What do you mean,
run Jeremy? I gotta stand what the problem is that
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that's not a Legit couldn't be a legitimate horse name.
I thought that was a difficult one. Surprise, LaVar gotta correct.
I don't know, Jonas, what name does that sound? Closer? Still?
I don't all no, I have no idea what you're
talking about here. I'm just trying to do a professional
sports talk radio show. Boarding sports talk radio show. There's
kids listening right now. Stop doing. Run Jeremy is not
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a legitimate horse name possibility. Look there there's a horse
owner out there listening to this going. You know what,
that's a hell of an idea. Run Jeremy. It is
as a horse is being born in a barn somewhere
in Kentucky listening here on the I Heart Radio. All right,
back over to Brady Quinn, we are LaVar Arrington with
a three to lead. All right, Brady Quinn, what about
science friction, horse name or horse crap. I'm gonna say
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horse name, and that's purely based on the fact that
you have not given me a horse name in a while.
So that's correct. See there's strategy you think I science
friction would that's not on me. That's a legitimate name.
All right, we go back over to LaVar Arrington. We're
all tied up at three apiece here, LaVar, what about
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seize the hey horse name or horse crap? That's a
good one horse name. No, no, no, no, no season name.
That is a horse named little Malfunction near buying this. No,
don't worry about it. We are all good, LaVar, not
even a hesitation though he is ice cold, just just
you know, a cold blooded LaVar Arrington. How is a
(39:20):
four three lead over Brady Quinn. Alright, So, Brady Quinn,
here's the situation. You have to get this to force
it onto LaVar. Yeah, you do. You have to get
it here, all right? So Brady, the name I just
the name I just gave LaVar was seized. The Hey,
the name of God for you is Hey Travis, like
(39:42):
Clay Travis. I was like, am I missing something? Is
this like a wall. I'm not gonna say, do you
see how we work together? I was almost gonna let
it go that yall, I'm not. I'm not gonna say it.
It's too controversial. I'm gonna say horse crap, that is correct.
I was almost gonna say people have been yelling the
(40:04):
whole Brandon thing. I was like, am i missing something?
It's like another joke that I'm not aware of? Good Bye?
You know I love clay Play. It's always been cool
to me. Man. I always written uh and congratulatory when
we got I wish you guys could come down to
Gulf Stream. It is such an awesome venue to go
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watch some horse races. I'm doing it this week. I'm
telling you right now, I'm doing it this weekend. I'm
taking the girls to the track. I'm gonna document it.
I don't know how long we're gonna be there because
I think bars right, there's gonna be bathroom rads. Bad
at Dad, because I can't bet the horse sleepy look
at oh yeah, you know you a horse to start
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riding it? Okay, pretty light. I think it helped. By
the way, didn't your daughter bet on the n c
A tournament. She did. She was leaving her household for
a little while and then she fitted away. Well it
sounds like the rest of us during the n c
A tournament. Um, alright, so here's the situation. We're all
tied up at four piece. So LaVar, you've got to
get this correct to win the game. If you miss um,
(41:12):
we'll go to sudden death overtime. All right, So if
you miss this, we got a sudden other time. But
if you make it, it's over. So LaVar Arrington and
this gold Stream edition on the first of July, Olivar,
will you bring out the white tent to cover up
Brady Quinn on the track here? If you correct, LaVar,
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the name for you to win the game is Sprint
Eastwood's so bad. I'm going to say it's a horse
that is incorrect. That is incorrect, and we've got we've
got sudden death overtime here on this edition of Horse
(41:55):
Name or Horse Cry. Yeah, it definitely is, Yeah it is.
So here we go. This is the situation. I will
announce the name. Your name is your buzzer, all right,
So if you want to take a guess to win
the game, you must buzz in. Whoever gets in first,
we'll have an opportunity to win the game here on
this edition of Horse Name or Horse Crap. So here
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we go. The name and the tiebreaker question here on
Horse Name or Horse Crap is ruthless intent. LaVar Arrington
is in first. LaVar a horse name or horse crap.
It's a horse name that is correct. I just had
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to go ahead and get it in the end, you
know what I mean. You know what I mean. I
had to go ahead and lock it down, locked it in,
lock up a couple more difficult ones. Yeah, well that's
all good. Long Claude Van Damn could go either way
about you. They definitely could said land just a little bit, you, Jerry,
(43:01):
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Um you know. And uh, I'm not gonna reveal how
I was able to obtain this information, but I just
want to be the first as a member of this show.
Do us say, Happy birthday, LaVar, Happy birthday to LaVar Arrington.
Uh just uh birthday? Yeah, well listen, it counts. It
counts with with the Shenanigans you pulled yesterday, it counts.
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This is a happy Birthday to LaVar Arrington. A little belated,
but only three minutes past your birthday on our great
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count it. And so there it is. Happy birthday, LaVar.
Appreciate it, appreciate really great? You look great? Anything exciting you? Well,
(01:39):
I'm losing my belly a little bit. So it's just good,
you know. Alright, so the new age resolution, you know,
I gotta lose my belly. Well listen, I don't notice that.
I think you look great? Uh yeah, it's at least
I could do. Um. Alright, So you guys being a
college football led Jan's uh what a birthday gift for me? Right? Yeah?
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And you guys, uh being the you know, the all
the success you had in college football. If I would
have told you, um, when you guys were playing, you know,
one day U c l A and USC you're going
to the Big ten, what what sort of reaction are
we getting? Uh? If U C l A USC to
(02:24):
the Big ten was the story, because that was the
story yesterday. They are on their way to the Big
ten in uh So, now we've got all these potential matchups,
We've got all this conversation. This comes down to money. Correct,
the amount of money the Big ten could offer as
opposed to the Pack twelve, that would be my assumption,
and the and the amount of money that those brands
(02:45):
can generate. I mean, because that's not just you know, yes, yes,
let me ask you this because I'm assuming this right
all the sports go into the Big Ten, right or
at least all the sports. I mean, the only one
that would not is beach volleyball. Okay, okay, alright, okay, Well,
I mean that bothers me a little bit. I would
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want to actually of it. I'm with you because I
look at it and go first off, there's great volleyball
programs in the Big Ten. Um, it doesn't take much
to bring in a bunch of sand and put it
in a play box around a volleyball court. How many
how many frat parties do they have do they bring
(03:28):
in sand in the bench. I'm just saying to um,
but you're talking about basketball as well. That can matter
and can count for for the conference. So yeah, it's
definitely about the money. We we know that, and we
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also know how big of a brand UM in terms
of football, tradition and history, UH and culture USC football
all is now U c l A maybe not so much,
but U c l A has been competitive at times,
have had good players come out of for certain UH
(04:11):
consistently have had good players come out of U c
l A. So and Chip Kelly, you know, he seems
to get it back on track this past season. So
if he's still there. I think it lines up to
have UM. I don't want to say, I don't want
to sound like a Big Ten elitist, but it's it.
(04:32):
It lines up to have really really interesting matchups that
are sellable matchups that that are monetize herble matchups. I
don't know how much success U, C, l A or
USC will have in in that type of a conference
UM having to stay in it UM. But but I
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think it's great for the conference to have it. I
think that it does push it over the top being
a super conference and and and I think that it
makes it. It makes the case that that whoever comes
out of the Big Ten, or maybe even the second
team and the Big Ten, there could be you know,
(05:15):
multiple teams that come from the Big Ten that could
end up in the NFL or the College Playoff. Yeah.
I mean my first thought was Rose Bowl, Like I
literally first thought the Rose Bowl, Like, this is a
Pac ten back in the day, Big ten, back in
the day. They go through the regular seasons, the top
two teams will get to play off in the Rose Bowl.
Like That's what it made me think of. And the
(05:38):
combination of the two going, well, who did it? Love
watching the Rose Bowl right like, now you get this
potentially every week because you've got USC and u C,
l A. Who are two of the you'd say, you
know better programs. I mean, as far as football goes,
USC is the best football program in the patch. Wealve
as far as basketball, US the best basketball program in
(05:58):
the patch. Wealve so as far as those two brands,
um and you're taking both those two brands, two teams.
You're universities in the second biggest media market in the country,
and you're adding them to your roster. Like there is
so much value from the standpoint of the Big Ten.
Their geographic footprint and their ability to go literally from
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east coast to west. There is no other conference in
sports that can say they can do that, none and
so little. You go from the Jersey Shore from d
C all the way to l A. And that is
huge and it's powerful. That's why you know the Big
Ten obviously those rights are gonna go for you know,
more than the SEC, more than anything else right now,
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and and and really when you think about the big
media markets, it encompasses Chicago number three as far as
media markets, and encompasses l A now number two in
media markets you do brush up against the East coast,
you know, you get those bigger, bigger markets that you know,
traditionally aren't they're not college football towns. But now people
(07:04):
are gonna start paying attention and people are gonna start
watching more, and so your window and Saturdays it starts
at noon to watch games and it can go all
the way until ten pm Pacific time. That is a huge,
huge revenue driver for a conference where the SEC just
doesn't have that. They just they don't. And the other
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thing I'd say, and I think it's lost in all
of this is if people want to blame USC or
u C l a UM or the Big ten conference,
you can do that if you want. The reality is
this has been a long time coming, folks. This has
been This has been a lack of leadership at the
PAC twelve. It goes back to Larry Scott, their commissioner,
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the Pact twelve commissioner, who never figured out their TV
rights distribution, who can never get the Pact twelve network
up and running so it was actually successful and able
to pay the universities more. He he was constantly behind
there and by the way, blame USC Pat Hayden Lynn
Swan all their athletic directors who constantly fumbled, the lack
(08:12):
of leadership at their university after Pete Carroll, who, Yeah,
they had as as good of a run of success
as anyone in college football, but it fell apart because
they cheated and they never were able to recover from that.
So that led them to a spot of desperation where
they look around, they go, well, everyone else in the
Big Ten and the SEC is making thirty million dollars
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or more on average from their TV deal than we're making.
We can't compete with that. You just can't. And so
this isn't the end of the realignment or movement in
college sports. This is only the beginning, and a lot
of it was brought on by the lack of leadership
and everything else that occurred long before Texas and Oklahoma
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decided to join the SEC in a few years. It
was before that. And I think COVID actually held expedite
this whole movement because what happened, and I've talked to
you know, Jonas about this. We we as a people,
when COVID hit, we stopped kind of like, oh, yeah,
we want to make sure we look out for one another.
(09:14):
No everyone's first thought was like, I need to go
find a way of getting like the food I need.
I need to go get toilet There was a run
on toilet paper, sanitizer wipes, like no one could buy
enough of it. It's like, okay, you need five packs
of toilet paper, Yeah, you can't spare one. I mean
it started then, honestly, and that's around the time too,
(09:36):
when you saw Texas in Oklahoma go, I don't think
the Big twelves is gonna last very long, much longer.
We'd rather go to the SEC. It makes sense geographically.
Texas already looked at that anyway, And I think I
think it started the conversation with a lot of schools
and a lot of conferences like what's our future? You know,
how does this play out for us? And you know,
(09:58):
kudos to the USC and u c l A for
looking past saying what we need to stay in the
Patch twelve to keep this conference afloat. That's just not
where college sports is. You're you're moving towards two super conferences.
That it's gonna be the Big ten absorbing Pack twelve,
maybe some Big twelve and the SEC absorbing the a SEC.
Probably that's where this thing's going. And by the way,
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on the COVID front of all the Power five conferences,
who handled it the worst? I would say the PAC
twelve and it's not even close. And they were exposed
as having no direction, no plan, no idea what to do. Meanwhile,
you've got players from the Big ten who are who are?
Who are? You know on the forefront like leading you know,
these marches in public. We want to play, we want
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to play, can we please play? Yet the SEC was
already in the a CEC was already in I just
I look at it and I go from a traditionalist standpoint.
You know, I don't like it because I just think
of them as PAC ten PAC twelve growing up watching it.
But it makes sense because one of the numbers I
heard that was thrown out is these schools in the
Big ten, with the new TV deal coming up, are
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going to get a hundred million dollars a piece like that.
That was one of the members. And I don't know
if that's if that's completely okay, seventy seventy plus million.
But you know, just just with the announcement of USC
and U c l A, Apple was now re engaged
in conversations with a big ten for first streaming. I
mean that was like on the table that it wasn't.
(11:23):
Now with these two schools come along, they're back in negotiations.
So to your point, maybe it will be a hundred
million per year, but it's gonna be at least seventy
plus million. Yeah, why should they wait around for the
Pack twelve to figure out you know, their asked from
their elbow. If they couldn't figure it out during COVID
and they haven't been able to figure out this whole time,
make the move, Go make your money. I I don't.
I just said it's gonna be competitive. You have to write. Yeah,
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like if you're linking Riley and you left supposedly Oklahoma
and some people thought, well it was because he didn't
want to have to go play in the SEC and
they didn't think Oklahoma was gonna have the resources that
other SEC schools have. Okay, so you go to the
Pack twelve where you're at USC and Mike buon Arino
and everyone else out there is giving you all the
support they can. Guess what, now they're giving you even
(12:09):
more revenue and support. The problem is you gonna go
play at a conference where it's like playing Utah every week,
Like you go get all the all the star quarterbacks
and wide receivers you want, if you don't have the
boys up front the trenches. And that's what I was
about to say, Iowa Wisconsin, that's what it was bad
every week, and I was I was saying. I was saying.
I didn't want to sound like a big tin elitis,
(12:30):
but I think that that's going to be a hard
road the whole for for U c l A and USC.
I think it gives them a lot of relevance in
terms of like what you said, Q, I thought was
a great point, is the viewing audience. Now you're bringing
a view an audience that really really finds watching college
football on Saturdays relevant to to the pack twelve teams.
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So USC and u c l A will have a
view an audience that they just have not had. It
hasn't existed. Most people have tuned out for some reason
on on college football when it gets to the late
late night games. Now you've changed that that kind of
that viewing audience that would see USC games on a
regular basis or U c l A games on a
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regular basis, but they're gonna struggle. I mean, they're when
when Maryland came into the Big Ten and Rutgers came
into the Big Ten, you watch these teams struggle and
and you start to realize certain things about um Big
Ten football that don't exist in other other conferences. I mean,
(13:37):
you can get it in you can see that physicality
in the upper echelonce of teams in the SEC. You
can see it in maybe one or two teams, maybe
one or two teams in the A C C. But
you don't see it on such a consistent basis like
you do in the Big Ten conference where you're talking
about the upfront play, the size just to share brooch
(14:00):
size and strength of of those players. It's just it shows.
It shows up. You know, in a bowl game, it's
one thing. But when you got to do that weekend
and week out against teams like Wisconsin or teams like
Northwestern or Penn State or Ohio State or Michigan, that's
gonna be that's gonna be a tall test. But I'm
(14:21):
excited to see it. I say that I'm happy for it.
And I get to go to a game at least
one game too, you know, in California, to see see
Penn State play. That's right, baby, yeah. I Mean the
interesting thing too, is there's so many alumni out on
the West coast that probably weren't tapped in knew quite
as much, and this is an opportunity now. I mean
(14:44):
I heard something from a state they have twenty thousand
alumni in the state of California that largely might have
just been like, oh, yeah, I love football, but I'm
not waking up that early to watch a new game
or whatever the case is. It opens up all those doors.
I just I think the this thing is gonna be
on really both sides. Like if you're if you're a
USC or u c L A player, you now can
(15:06):
be waking up on a regular you know basis playing
games at not am, you know, local time for you
new and Eastern. That's a tough transition. Have to fly
across the country and do that. Your body clock better
get on point. Or if you're if you're a part
of you know, a team in the Midwest, you're flying
out to the West coast and you might be playing
a game as late as ten eleven o'clock your time,
(15:28):
you know, as far as kickoff, and you've gotta get
used to doing that on on the flip side of it.
So there's gonna be some adjustments on both sides. I think,
by and large though, the Big tens of more physical, bigger,
you know conference that runs the football, and that's gonna
get tested, like whether or not USC is gonna be
able to build their program to win that conference. Where
look at Michigan last year, great defense, physical rushing attack,
(15:52):
like they haven't had that that that just hasn't been
something at USC since Pete Carroll's there, since you know,
Matt Reggie, those guys, and they're gonna be tested like
they're they're gonna be tested as as much as they
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three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio. It was a busy day in the NBA yesterday,
a lot of signings day, one of free agencies. He
had guys you know getting long, you know, contract extension,
the Joker in Denver. You had Bradley Beale, you had uh,
you know, different players signing here and there and all
the other stuff, and all of a sudden, Um, Kevin
(16:37):
Durant has requested a trade, so he would like to
be traded from the Brooklyn Nets. And call me crazy,
but it seems like it was just yesterday that he
wanted to go to Brooklyn. He chose Brooklyn. But now apparently,
even with Kyrie Irving's return, Kevin Durant not into it
and they're working to try and figure out a trade. Uh.
And he's in an attractive trade piece also, not just
(17:01):
from the talent standpoint, but from the fact that his
contract he's still got the four years remaining. So if
you get Kevin Durant, it's not a one and done situation. Um,
he goes somewhere and you would hope and think that
he would be there for the duration of that contract.
But it is the NBA, so who knows. Maybe to
get he could ask for another trade. Very bizarre the
whole thing put together. I mean, isn't this the team
(17:22):
that like decided to sign him despite the fact he
was coming off of torn Achilles whatever was, and they
kind of built around him with the whole Kyrie Irving
and maybe he was already there, but James Harden bringing
him as well. Yes, that is correct, and now he
wants to be traded. Yeah, that's him. Okay. I mean
(17:44):
I don't know. Maybe maybe he's looking at it and
he's been enough places now between Oklahoma City and Golden State,
and he's saying himself, this is not a good organization.
You know. Maybe he's been there long enough to feel
that way and he wants to go and chase more
championships and rings. Like I think as an NBA superstar,
it's easier to do that. Like bottom line is, it
(18:06):
doesn't matter what your contracts says. You can go somewhere
else if you don't like where you're at. That's just
how the NBA operates, and we're finding that out this
time of year. We find that out every off season.
And I guess I shouldn't really knock it because I
think if I was in his shoes, i'd probably try
it to if I was unhappy with where I'm at
or didn't feel like my team is an opportunity to
(18:29):
go play for a championship, right. I mean, I always
feel like all roads lead to Miami, I really do,
I think. But besides the fact that like pat Riley
and Eric Spoelster, and that organization has been so consistent
even before Lebron got there, so consistent and everything else
that you'd be enticed by to go down there because
(18:49):
it's in South Florida and you know, the the the
benefits from you know, financial standpoint, but just the overall
life standpoint. I look at it and go and that
the team that consistently gets to the Eastern Conference finals,
it doesn't seem to have an issue whether Kevin Durant's
there or not, whether Lebron's there or not, And so
why not go to that organization that we needs a
(19:10):
piece or two more to get over the hump. But
if I'm not mistaken, it's not just Kevin Durant that
wants to be trade. I mean Kyrie Irving wants to
be traded and they want to go somewhere together. Is that?
Is that how this is working out? It should the
whole thing. It doesn't make sense. I don't I don't
understand what sort of conversation was going. I mean, maybe
they just said, hey, we gotta get out of Brooklyn.
(19:32):
Is this a referendum on Steve Nash? Is this the organization?
To your point? Like none of it makes any sense.
And now it's like potentially you've got a trade for
both of them or what they won't accept the trade.
Like I don't think Duran has a no trade clause.
I just the whole, the whole, The way the the
n b A is handled is so different from every
(19:54):
other sport to where like in the NFL, I want
to be traded, that's cool, we'll see end of July
a trade account. So it doesn't make any sense. I
don't get it. I don't understand what's happening. I really
know it's bizarre. I mean, but is that report true
about them wanting to play together? I've seen conflicting reports
(20:18):
it was it was from who. I don't like that.
I just I've seen conflict, conflicting reports on it. I
do appreciate with Schefter two o Adam Schefter would why
would k D Why why would Kadi wait until after
(20:39):
Kyrie signed the extension or took the option? I should say,
you know what I mean, like, if you want to
if you want to be traded, why not announced that
you wanted to be traded? Why? Why? I mean this
comes amit like literally right after Kyrie signed, you know
the option to to come back, and and everybody was
(21:01):
stating that he was fulfilling his obligation and his duty
to to play out the contract because of Kevin Durant.
So to me, I think that there's too many twists
and turns on this one. I'm not I'm not certain
that that it's true or it would make sense to
be true to think that they wanted he ky Re
(21:23):
signed back so that him and k D could be
traded together. I don't know. I don't know that I
buy that. I think that the way the timing of
it plays out, it says to me that possibly k
D wanted to get out. Now that's just my interpretation
of it. You know, it's like, all right, well, if
you're bringing Kyrie back, I I possibly don't, or I
(21:46):
just don't want to be a part of this organization
and the direction that's trying to go in. I want
to go somewhere where I feel like I'm competitive to win.
I want to stay. For the record, Okay, if one
of you were trying to you know, getting traded or
trying to be traded, I would I well, I'd want
to go with you guys, all right, I should yea, yeah,
before before it happens. Yeah, yeah, And I wouldn't want
(22:09):
you to wait until after one of us signed an
extension to the current place where we're all working at
and say we got to go together, buddy. But does
that makes weird? Does that make them more tradeable? Is
that the thought process behind if you're under under contract
or I mean, if that's the case. I guess if
that's the case. Um again, that just still seems kind
(22:31):
of strange. Why would k D wait? Why why would
he wait? I don't know you. Jonas would go my buddy,
my buddy, my body now, Jonah, Jona would hang on
with us Jonas, Jonas got an edge. Jonas does not
(22:55):
man my buddy and me together. Guys, you know there's
gonna be commercial is about us, Like one of us
is going to be sitting in the back of a
radio flyer and they're like walking around with us together,
like we're all going together. We're just like Kyrie and
Katie according to this report, I'm telling all of us together.
How about that? Funnies. Yeah, let me ask you, guys,
this is how off the rails some of the reporting
(23:17):
and coverage of the NBA is. If you found out
all of this was a hoax? Would you be that surprise?
Because I wouldn't. I believe every part of it, every
part of it. I don't. I just I don't know
what the strategy was. And look, if you're Ben Simmons,
are you looking around going, do I like what's happening here?
(23:39):
Like they might just like nobody wants to play with me?
Like I just like, this is how this is gonna work.
If you're Steve Nash, what's going on? I one of
the things that I saw that was out there is
that the nets are gonna take whatever the best deal is.
And so they don't have to acquiesce word Brady quinntopt me.
They don't have to, that's right there on. They don't
(24:00):
have to. They don't have to cater to him at all,
Like they don't. They don't have to. They don't have
to just sit there and trade him to a preferred destination.
They can send him to where wherever they want. That's
going to give him the best deal. I just I
don't like what what is Kevin Durant's playing? Like, what
is he thinking? Does did Golden State winning a title
(24:21):
without him like motivate him to want to go win
a title somewhere else. I don't know. Man, if you
roll back Durant, Kyrie and Ben Simmons on that team,
that's a good team. Like, I don't know that he's
gonna find that much talent that he's gonna get paired with.
Because whoever you go to is going to be having
a trade away a lot of talent and a lot
of picks to try and acquire him. It just feels
like there's something else going on here. I also hate
(24:43):
admitting this, and and it's part of our job. I
get it during sports talk, you know, on your radio. Yeah,
with the n b A, it's like it all just
sorts itself out. It's hard to care right now, honestly,
Like we over drama size things so much. And I
get it because in the n b A, you get
a superstar on your team, you got a shot. You're
now probably a winning team, You're now probably going to playoffs.
(25:06):
You got a shot. But we make such a big
deal about it, and then you know, this stuff happens
like a year later. It's almost like, yeah, I remember
when he wanted to be traded a year or two ago,
and I remember when there was some drama there and
you know, Kyrie, I didn't like Boston, didn't like this
team was on. I mean, it just it's always something.
It almost it gets to the point where I kind
(25:28):
of get warned down. I'm serious, like hashtag this league.
Like I just I'm like, okay, just can we get
to the games, Like, just let me know what team
you're playing for. When we get there, we'll talk about
you then, all right, do you just I just do
you remember when the Kevin Durant sweepstakes are going on
and the Celtics thought they had a chance, so Tom
Brady came with them to try and sell Kevin Durant
(25:51):
on Boston in the Hampton's Like that wasn't that long ago.
Tom Brady's retired once and it's on a new team
and Kevin Durant on like three teams later, and that
wasn't that long ago. This feels like a chapter three
of Kevin Durant wanting out somewhere and everybody trying to
cater to court him to come to wherever they're going
to be. Just the whole thing. It seems like it
(26:12):
seems way more acceptable for guys to to travel, travel,
and journey. I think I made the point um in
a show previous to this one. But I just still
find myself questioning how much does it play a part
into the legacy that you have, you know, if you
continue to move from team to team, the team the team,
(26:36):
like what, you know, what bearing does that have? Maybe
it has none? Maybe maybe the evolution of it. Oh,
I mean it made sense. And in the old NBA,
I would say where you ended up on maybe one
or two teams, like when you were in your you know,
your prime. You generally see these these guys pretty much
(26:57):
with the same team. Now there's been exceptions, you know,
and and Send, you know, lu Au Sender or known
as Abdul Kareem Jabbar going to to the Lakers. You
know at a certain point, you know, will Chamberlain change teams?
I mean people change teams. But it's just it's just
weird to me to think, all right, what if Larry
(27:19):
Bird became you know, a travel a journeyman so to speak,
in the prime of his career. What if m j
or or you know, Isaiah Thomas or Magic Johnson became
travelers and journeymen around the league during that during the
prime of their career. Um I just, I just I
don't know, and maybe I'm I'm at it the wrong way.
(27:44):
Maybe it's just simple to look at, but doesn't it
like call your put your your legacy of what it represents,
what you represented as a player, kind of like in
the cross are so to speak? Yeah, Like, I'm right
there with you because I think about when we saw
the Jordan documentary. One of the things that is subtle,
but if you really think back on it, and again,
(28:04):
I grew up a Cleveland Cavaliers fan, so I watched
Jordan just ruined my childhood dreams year after year after year.
And one of the things that you kind of you
were calling you look back on is you know Jordan
coming out in those Red Bulls uniforms. You know that
the song they came out to, the Darren Darren Dan, like,
all of that, all of that is a part of
(28:25):
Jordan's Like, all of that's a part of that era,
that success, everything they accomplish, it's all part of It's
part of the branding. It's what made him great. And
when you think of Kobe, you can give a Kobe
in a Lakers uniform, like yeah, he switched numbers, but
it wasn't like you switched teams. And that's another piece
of it, where like when you build a legacy, you're
really co branding that with a very story historic franchise
(28:47):
and the Lakers or in Jordan's case, building up the
Bulls franchise, where you know, I still think, oh, it's
the Bulls. They got a shot, Like, well, wait a second,
Jordan's not them. But but that's the reality. Like when
I think about Lebron, it was a contemporary to me,
same age, same class of high school. I think I
always will think of him as a Cleveland Cavalier, even
(29:08):
though he had probably more success. You'd stay with the
Miami Heat short you know, short time span there and
obviously has won a championship in the Bubble Boys scenario
with the Lakers, and who knows what else they'll do,
But like that's so identify them. But then you're like, oh,
wait a second, he played for a couple of their
teams and they might not be done, Like he could
go and play somewhere else again, I guess, but I
(29:29):
think I think it becomes harder to cement your legacy
when you're bouncing around team a team, a team that's
one of the things that I don't know if Kevin
Durant cares. And maybe that's just where the NBA, to
your point, LeVar, has gotten to where the players are
now bigger than the brands of the actual team in
the NBA, and I'm not sure that's a good thing,
you know, for the sport when it's all said up.
But again, you've got guys like Steph Curry, who's Golden
(29:51):
State Warrior. He probably will always be a Golden State
Warrior and that's where his legacy will be cemented, draining
threes that Golden State uniform in Northern California, and that's
all all always remember it, But I think there's something
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We are going to have another edition of horse Name
or Horse Crap coming up here momentarily. But round of
applause for lead to Lapman WiFi or no WiFi. Getting
(30:57):
it done on the research uh we uh. I wondered
where the term Charlie horse came from, and Lee went
out of his way to write up a paragraph and
send it out via text. Lee, you want to fill
in the listeners on what you discovered here. Well, yeah,
as the story goes back in the late eighties nineties,
(31:21):
there was a Charlie horse named Charlie spelled l e
Y that the White Sox used to carry the equipment
from the outfield back into the infield, and by the
time it got to third base, it would start limping
because it was so old and the muscles would get stiff.
So players and fans started calling it old Charlie horse,
and that's where the term came from. See Brady, please
(31:45):
the best man well, Charlie, horse is just a cramp
in the Is it the hamstring or the thigh? Like
which which one? Is it just in the leg in general? Leg? Yeah,
that can be like hamstring. Well for some of us,
we don't have calves, so you know, I'm worried about
(32:06):
the other part of the leg that that would be
considered the strange. I have no legs. I have no legs.
I have no legs like kids on the subway. There's
a movie that couldn't be made nowadays. Yeah, all right,
(32:27):
you guys ready, because I don't know if you know this,
but there's horse racing every weekend, all right, there is
um an in particular, Brady, are you familiar with a
horse racing track called golf Stream? How about that? Where's it? Like,
Hanna Layla? Where's that specifically in Florida? Like what's the
name of that city? Yeah, I don't know whatever that too?
(32:50):
Who cares? I will figure out, well, you know, clean
it up post production. But there is a horse racing
at goulf Stream in Florida coming up later on Today's
So this is something in which I will put together
a list of names. It's either a name that's running
at gold Stream later on today, or to name that
I've made up and it's another edition of something we
(33:10):
need to call horse name or horse crap? Is it
a horse name or horse crap? And away we go.
It is Brady Quinn versus h crap. All right, So
(33:35):
we have got a list here. Now these are either
horses running a gold stream or horses that I have
made up. So we can start with Brady or LaVar.
You guys decide amongst yourself who wants to go first.
Any strategy. I'm might going to one this weekend. Man,
you're popping me up right now. Yeah, I head down there. Man.
I love horse racing, so it's to like that is
(33:55):
an unbelievable facility. Honestly, it's a great time. I just
I've got young kids, so maybe I can convince that.
Can can convince the horse. You say you're going to
the pettings new you know that's a good point. Yeah,
you can bet. You can bet on it, like I'm
ready to go. Problem, I'm ready to go. I'm hungry.
(34:18):
They can pet a betting slip in the back pocket
there and make a little wager. I win him some
money by him, you know, some cotton candy and away
we go. So the bar who's going first? Who wants
to go first? Here? Alright? Alright Brady? Alright, So so
Brady Quinn a horse name or horse crap? And we
start with mud Shaft horse name or horse crap. Oh gosh,
(34:46):
this is gonna be tough because these are like the
major races. I'm gonna say horse crap. Yeah, I mean,
what do you think I'm gonna like have some inappropriate
name here like that? Now Much was inappropriate? That isn't?
(35:06):
That is an actual name of a horse running get
gold Stream later on today? Much I was thinking the same.
I was about to say the same exact very strange.
All right, we go next over to LaVar Arrington, LaVar,
the name for you here on this edition of Horse
Name or Horse Crap? Cajun tease. I'm going with a
(35:31):
horse name that is correct, is on the board that
is correct, and he's got a one point lead here
on this edition of Horse Name or Horse Crap. Next
over to Brady Quinn here on Fox Sports Radio. Brady,
the name for you is long Clawed Van Dam. Oh
my crap, let's make it. Didn't make it easier, honestly,
(35:56):
horse trap there, Jonas, I wish it was a horse name.
That is correct, Brady, long clawed van Damn is a
horse crap. That's a that is correct. So we are
all tied up here at one a piece and we
go next over next over to LaVar Arrington on this
edition of horse Name or Horse Crap? LaVar, what about
(36:16):
riding dirty? Oh see, that's a that's a heart one.
You get me heart ones, careful, right? Okay, so I'm
gonna say horse crap. That is correct. That's that is
a that's a difficult that's a heart one. That definitely
(36:38):
could have been a horse alright. So we next go
over to Brady Quinn here looking to tie things up
on horse name or horse crap. If he gets this correct,
he ties it up. Brady, the name for you is
mountain glue. That is very good. Dumb, what what's like? Listen?
(37:05):
I don't want to play anymore these around the What
do you want to play? All right? What was long? Alright?
So let's get back on track. Let's be adults here.
We're all tied up at two a piece on this
edition of a Horse Name or Horse Crap? Right, so
let's be adults here. LaVar Arrington. The next name for
(37:27):
you here is run Jeremy. Yeah, that's that's Oh my gosh,
I'm saying horse crap. That is correct. There's something wrong
with you, Jonas. You honestly try to act like you
steer this thing in the right direction. What do you mean,
run Jeremy? I gotta stand what the problem is that
(37:50):
that's not a Legit couldn't be a legitimate horse name.
I thought that was a difficult one. Surprise, LaVar gotta correct.
I don't know, Jonas, what name does that sound? Closer? Still?
I don't all no, I have no idea what you're
talking about here. I'm just trying to do a professional
sports talk radio show. Boarding sports talk radio show. There's
kids listening right now. Stop doing. Run Jeremy is not
(38:12):
a legitimate horse name possibility. Look there there's a horse
owner out there listening to this going. You know what,
that's a hell of an idea. Run Jeremy. It is
as a horse is being born in a barn somewhere
in Kentucky listening here on the I Heart Radio. All right,
back over to Brady Quinn, we are LaVar Arrington with
a three to lead. All right, Brady Quinn, what about
science friction, horse name or horse crap. I'm gonna say
(38:35):
horse name, and that's purely based on the fact that
you have not given me a horse name in a while.
So that's correct. See there's strategy you think I science
friction would that's not on me. That's a legitimate name.
All right, we go back over to LaVar Arrington. We're
all tied up at three apiece here, LaVar, what about
(38:58):
seize the hey horse name or horse crap? That's a
good one horse name. No, no, no, no, no season name.
That is a horse named little Malfunction near buying this. No,
don't worry about it. We are all good, LaVar, not
even a hesitation though he is ice cold, just just
you know, a cold blooded LaVar Arrington. How is a
(39:20):
four three lead over Brady Quinn. Alright, So, Brady Quinn,
here's the situation. You have to get this to force
it onto LaVar. Yeah, you do. You have to get
it here, all right? So Brady, the name I just
the name I just gave LaVar was seized. The Hey,
the name of God for you is Hey Travis, like
(39:42):
Clay Travis. I was like, am I missing something? Is
this like a wall. I'm not gonna say, do you
see how we work together? I was almost gonna let
it go that yall, I'm not. I'm not gonna say it.
It's too controversial. I'm gonna say horse crap, that is correct.
I was almost gonna say people have been yelling the
(40:04):
whole Brandon thing. I was like, am i missing something?
It's like another joke that I'm not aware of? Good Bye?
You know I love clay Play. It's always been cool
to me. Man. I always written uh and congratulatory when
we got I wish you guys could come down to
Gulf Stream. It is such an awesome venue to go
(40:24):
watch some horse races. I'm doing it this week. I'm
telling you right now, I'm doing it this weekend. I'm
taking the girls to the track. I'm gonna document it.
I don't know how long we're gonna be there because
I think bars right, there's gonna be bathroom rads. Bad
at Dad, because I can't bet the horse sleepy look
at oh yeah, you know you a horse to start
(40:49):
riding it? Okay, pretty light. I think it helped. By
the way, didn't your daughter bet on the n c
A tournament. She did. She was leaving her household for
a little while and then she fitted away. Well it
sounds like the rest of us during the n c
A tournament. Um, alright, so here's the situation. We're all
tied up at four piece. So LaVar, you've got to
get this correct to win the game. If you miss um,
(41:12):
we'll go to sudden death overtime. All right, So if
you miss this, we got a sudden other time. But
if you make it, it's over. So LaVar Arrington and
this gold Stream edition on the first of July, Olivar,
will you bring out the white tent to cover up
Brady Quinn on the track here? If you correct, LaVar,
(41:34):
the name for you to win the game is Sprint
Eastwood's so bad. I'm going to say it's a horse
that is incorrect. That is incorrect, and we've got we've
got sudden death overtime here on this edition of Horse
(41:55):
Name or Horse Cry. Yeah, it definitely is, Yeah it is.
So here we go. This is the situation. I will
announce the name. Your name is your buzzer, all right,
So if you want to take a guess to win
the game, you must buzz in. Whoever gets in first,
we'll have an opportunity to win the game here on
this edition of Horse Name or Horse Crap. So here
(42:17):
we go. The name and the tiebreaker question here on
Horse Name or Horse Crap is ruthless intent. LaVar Arrington
is in first. LaVar a horse name or horse crap.
It's a horse name that is correct. I just had
(42:37):
to go ahead and get it in the end, you
know what I mean. You know what I mean. I
had to go ahead and lock it down, locked it in,
lock up a couple more difficult ones. Yeah, well that's
all good. Long Claude Van Damn could go either way
about you. They definitely could said land just a little bit, you, Jerry,
(43:01):
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