#529 - Matt & Scott on The Untold Story of Parmalee, Being Pushed as a Rock Band + Their Mom Taking Out a 2nd Mortgage to Save Their Career + Living in an RV in a Parking Lot + Getting Confused for a Famous Metal Band - Bobbycast

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
We were out with credit cards done tapped out on
our buddy that was investing, and I went to my
mom and I said, Mom, can we borrow eleven thousand
dollars and we'll pay you back like twenty percent interests.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I promise you will pay you back.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
And she took a second mortgage out on her home
and didn't ask to hear one song crazy.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome to Episode five twenty nine with Parmale, Matt and Scott,
their brothers. Matt's the lead singer. They got many, many
number one songs. Carolina, I like Carolina, I w just
do it anyway. They have a bunch of songs, and
I was excited to talk to them just because they
have a very interesting story of how they came up.

(00:48):
And I didn't really expect to get into the shooting
really at all, because we had talked about it on
the Bobby Bone Show before, so I really wasn't going
to go there, but something organically came up. We talked
about it for a bit in a different way than
I had ever heard them talk about it, and so
my intention wasn't really to talk about that. It wasn't

(01:08):
to avoid it, but you know, they weren't an RV
after a show and two people came in with guns
demanding cash, and all of a sudden, bullets are flying
and Scott ends up in the hospital almost died. We
get into all that, so parmally, I think you're gonna
like this. You can follow them on Instagram at parmale Music.
Check that out. You can check them out on tour August,

(01:32):
September and October. Are those Is that an order? March, April, May, June, July, August, September. Yeah,
I'm dude. I can do a lot of things, but
months I can't do. I can't do in order. I
can't do the numbers. Check them out on the road
parmelely music dot com. And here we go. It is
episode five twenty nine with Parmalee. All Right, we're here
with Matt and Scott from Parmallee. One of you guys

(01:53):
just said something. And sometimes when I've known someone for
a long time, I don't ask the questions that I
think a lot of people would like to know because
I feel like I know the answer. So why would
I ask it? What's Parmalee? Because I would have never
asked that interesting And we were talking off camera yeah,
So what is what is parmeal Lee.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
It's a little town in North Carolina where we started
the band. Population I think two hundred and sixty four.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Or something like that. It's about a mile from where
we grew up.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
But yeah, we named it after the band, named the
band after the town. Town spelled pa r m e
l e, So nobody would ever be able to pronounce that.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
P A r m e E.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
So I probably if I saw that sign, I would
think Parmel exactly exactly. I'd be like, Parmel four miles,
don't need to stop. There ain't nothing there but Dollar General.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
They'd be looking. They had a dollar G in Parmelee. Man,
it's a it's a one stoplight town.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
We got a dollar General Mountain Pine like three years ago.
We don't have any stoplights. The population now is like
five hundred. It was seven twenty two back in the
booming days when I was there.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, So my school we graduated with like forty six
kids graduating class.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Sorry, no, you're good. Were we not even? Maybe?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
We had like a five hundred.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Students in our high school, so like one hundred and
twenty five in each class, and that was made up
of all the little small towns surrounding our hometown, which
was twelve hundred.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
People, I think, and yeah, I mean yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Did people do for work their farm?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
And my granddad was a lagger, so we did that
with him, mostly just agriculture, a lot of timber business,
small businesses, you know, and then there was a lot
of meals around.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
That's why we were a saw mill town.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh you were saw milltown, okay, right?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
And when the sawmill shut down, that's why the population
went from seven twenty two to five hundred because when
Warehouser went out of business, there was nothing to come
to Mountain Pine Forest, so it was only people who
stayed and tried to find a life after the mill.
Because while the mill was going, people would move there.
Not a lot seven twenty two, so we're not talking
about New York City, but people would move there or

(03:58):
they would move nearby to work the mill because that
thing a thousand jobs.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Our granddad moved to a little town of Robertsonville to work,
uh for warehouse, so that was it. He moved kind
of close because of the meal and then we had
like a lot of textile meals and things. But once
it shut down in our generation was like, we're getting
out of here.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
So it's kind of tough to go back. It's it
really is.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
So if Parmally was a town, what was the town
that you guys actually lived in or was it not
a town? He's lived on a road somewhere.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Robertsonville five minutes from you.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Like the band name Robertsonville.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
We tried it.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
You did try it before you got the Pinally, we like,
what was it?

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Small tall town?

Speaker 1 (04:39):
He rose, Well, we were slip Joint was the original
name of when we were doing cover the same guys
but full the same guy, slip Stilling.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
So did it not stay slip Joint because of slip
Knot Yes, Oh dude, yeah, because that's what that's where
my mind goes.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
We had a run in one night.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
We were playing in Fort Bragg, you know, big military base,
and Slipknot just off and we're up there in our
shiny shirts, you know, playing our stuff, and I mean
they the soldiers just came in. Everybody was excited. They
really thought Slipnot was playing.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Oh they thought you were slipping I would have thought
it was a Slipnot tribute band if I been honest,
like slip joints here. I'd have been like they played
the slip Knot songs right now? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:18):
How long did that last as the band's name?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
About two and a half three years?

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Yeah, wow, yeah, well that's a significant chunk. I thought
it was like two shows, no, no, that we had
a CD. It was six completely different songs, and as
you know it was it was a southern rock song.
It was like a Chili Pepper's funk style song.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
It was like this Rey Gaye is kind of crazy song.
I mean, we didn't know what we were doing.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
We were just jamming and having fun and just kind
of copying the songs we loved. And but one of
the songs actually got the attention because we were playing
the local bar and and the guy would be our
manager went to the bar and he asked the club.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Owners, like anybody packing it out?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
And he's like, yeah, this band's slip joint gave me
a CD and uh, and he came to see us
and that kind of got us our first management.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
And so he was managing from Carolina. Yes, he was
in Raleigh, so imagine local accidents in Carolina.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
And he had just started working with this act called
SR seventy one, which was like.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
The punk band Yeah, pop punk? Mike, would they pop punk?
Say so yeah, Okay, I feel like they're pop punk? Okay, yeah,
I Mike's a huge punk guy. So if I don't
classify the punk groups exactly as in as is, he
gets a little offended. Yeah, they wrote nineteen eighty five
that bloging Pursuit did yeah, did yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, but they had a song called miss right Now.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
But that was like popping off and so uh, the
management company had they were happening and they found us
and then we started working together and he was telling us,
you guys need to go out to Nashville and co write.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
You need to start working.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Towards this, and you know the first kind of bit
of direction we had as a as a band. But
up to that point we didn't know anybody.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
And you were were you covering most songs mostly covers?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, the slip joint stuff was we do that. We
have to do the ninety I mean the three hour
four hour sits, but yeah, mostly covers like we were.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Doing like Tonic and what is the Fuel?

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Songs like that that were like peppers and.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I was watching this that's not a documentary, but this
TikTok series on Sugar Ray and they were a full
cover band. Yeah, but there were cover band is a
weird thing to say, because they were doing songs so
they could make money to live to be music. And
I think at times you could just say cover band
and people were like, oh, you just played other people's songs,
but it's like, no, no, we played music so we
can make money. Yeah, so hopefully we can make enough

(07:38):
money and make enough music to make our own music. Yeah,
that's right, But that's what Sugar Ray was like. They
were doing other people's songs to make money so they
could hopefully, you know, catch on somewhere.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, we were, I.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Mean, I don't know, we just we just were playing
in the band together and we played songs we liked,
and we started writing songs and then we made sure
we played those songs. And when people started asking about those,
we got the bug. And then one night, I remember
we were at the barn in parmal Lee where we practiced,
and we were all around this fire barrel that we
had and we're like, all right, what are we doing here?
We're going to keep doing this cover stuff or do

(08:09):
we want to try to really do our own stuff,
and we.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
All made a pact.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
And I always say, like, we went from making I
think those cover gigs are like you might get like
four hundred bucks or the six hundred dollars for the
good ones, you know, bring your own pa menu venue stuff.
And it went from that to making either zero for
opening up or one hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
It was like the standard.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
You get one hundred dollars to go open up for
whatever the band that was coming through town, and you
begged to get on that slot, and you play your
thirty minutes or forty five minutes or an hour sometimes.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Did you say menuvenue? I've never heard that before, so
I understand when you said it. I understood it because
what early on, when I was doing comedy and comedy music,
I played barbecue restaurants, and so there was a little
pa and a barbecue restaurant. So when you said that,
I knew. I've never heard it said like that, but
I know exactly what you're talking about. That's the term
for it.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, right, it didn't make perfect stitch, right.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
No, I I've been there. I know exactly what you're
talking about, but I've never heard it called a menu venue.
That's interesting. So I once I'd love to hear a
story from you guys, but and it's not the same.
But I'll give you an example of a story from me,
and you could probably give me ten versions that are better.
Early on, when I was just starting to tell jokes,
I would tell jokes anywhere where people were seated, you know,

(09:21):
mostly though I wanted to do theaters where people are
dedicated frontward and they everybody has their own seats, there's
not a lot of turning. I need a dedicated attention
because I'm speaking, and I don't need things to ruin
my cadence. I need my timing to be right. But
I would I played basically a cracker barrel in California,

(09:44):
and everybody nobody's looking at me. Everybody's looking across the table,
and so let's say I'm sitting across from you, but
they'd be to my right, like I'm not in anyone's
natural eye line, and they're like, we need you to
do fifty minutes. That's a full set. And this is
still pretty early on, Like yeah, sure, so I did
fifty minutes at this cracker I'll call the cracker barrel,
and this cracker barrel and the whole time, clank, clank,

(10:06):
people eating, ordering, ordering, eating, all of it. I thought
to myself, nobody heard a single thing. I said. It
was awful. And again that's my version, and I'm sure
you have one hundred of those from early on.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Oh man, yeah, that's empty rooms.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
It was years of it. Yeah, you're right, move the
seats and we would set up, bring our pa in
the corner and just start jamming. And you had to
start off with the easy set to start with, so
it wasn't too loud, and then later on the night
you got you know, roudier and routier.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
But it builds character, it builds entertainment value, it builds
it also makes you tougher and you realize that, oh
it's been way worse than this before.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
That's what I would do. I'd be somewhere and I'd
be like, oh, yeah, I've been through way worse and
I got through just fine, so this is gonna be all.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
We still do that. That's the way you can do it. Now.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
You played just about every imaginable stage, from the smallest bars,
the back porches to flatbed trailers to anywhere up to
you know, arenas and stadiums and things like that. So
it's just it's awesome to be able to go on
to venue be like, yeah, we've done a place like
this before.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Do you ever it took me a minute to get here.
But feel grateful that you grew up without a whole
lot because it makes it It made it easier for
you to not lose anything at the beginning. Meaning it
wasn't like you had a bunch of money and you're like, well,
we're going to lose a bunch of money and start
making own music. If you grow up broke, it ain't
that hard to be broke because you've learned how to
do it your whole life.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, we talked about that the other night. It's like,
I know how to live broke. We were broke most
of our I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Until we got here to Nashville, until we got Carolina
took off.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
You know, we're grown in broke.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
But we learned how to do it. You know how
to navigate it. You know how to go to the
menu and pick the cheapest thing up there. You go
to the grocery store.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
And you know, you get the cheap razors or whatever
you got to do.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
You know what what packets to keep ketch up mustard, yeah,
and then move them up.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
And I always felt because I think I resented it
for for a long part of my life where I
was like, man, I hate that I didn't have the
resources that my friends or contemporaries had. But as I
got older, I started to see the real value in
it because I was able to just chase as hard
as I possibly could because there was nothing to lose,
and it was there was only the gain. And it

(12:11):
sucked forever, But now I'm so grateful for it.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, I think the only thing that I felt bad
about is like I wish I could, you know, if
we did had some money earlier, had a little success,
we could have shared it with our parents and you know,
had some more time to relax and enjoy, you know,
going back home with things like that. But man, I
mean we appreciate it, trust me. Every day it is
not a date that I don't see the guys pulling

(12:35):
up to the gas station by my house and if
they're in it, you know, the work truck.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
You know, I'm like, we were those guys for a
lot of years.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
You know. Also, being comfortable, even mildly comfortable, I think
at times averts risk because you don't want to lose
what has made you comfortable, even if that's a steady paycheck.
And it's like, well, I gotta study paycheck. But now
I'm going to kind of give it all up to
go and pursue this dream where one in a million people. Yeah,
I think I'm just going to stay comfortable. I can
for sure see that. And again, that's just one of

(13:03):
those things that I didn't take that I took for granted,
and now I'm very appreciative of it. But I see that,
and I hope this comes off as a compliment and
you guys as well, that you're able to run and
chase hard because if you didn't catch it, you're still
where you were.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I know, I'm just crazy.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I was thinking about that today, man, just you know,
just everything you went through.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
But I'm so thankful to be here and have what
we have.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
And but I still, like I said, now, the day
goes by, I don't forget about it.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Man, Sometimes I forget about it. Yeah, sometimes you don't
mind it, mind it. But when I back Toup playing
pick a ball, my little speakers coming out of the ground,
I'm like, yeah, I forget about.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
It for a second.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, So the band is three plus a friend, right,
three family members.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, three family members plus our best friend.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Walk.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
What reminded me to do this was the conversation before
walk me through who's in the band and how you
guys are related?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
All right, So me and scottle brothers thirteen months apart.
Our first cousin, Barry a few years younger than us.
He's our bass player, which he was a drummer. We
made him play bassic the band because we had a drummer.
And then Josh Wash he was playing in like some
of the rival cover bands in town, and we just
liked his playing style and they were busting up, and

(14:16):
so we got him in the Band's.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Older, I'm older, you're older? I usually say he is,
but I'm the oldest. So Josh was lucky. Sorry, look
about Josh because he could play guitar and key, so
we got him in the band.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
So if you're older, did you get first round pick
of whatever you wanted to do in all things? Like
if I were the older brother, I'd be like, I'm
singing and I'm playing the lead. It doesn't seem like
that's the case.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
No, we were. We played good together. I guess that's
where never been in a fight, never been in the
or if it was little minor stuff. So we just
kind of same thing with sports, I was, I don't know,
we just kind of played together, didn't we.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, but in the band thing, I caught the bug early.
He would play drums as a kid. I could started
earlier that. Yeah, it's hard to learn to play guitar
as as a little kid. And my dad was a
guitar player, and we and you know, him and my
mom divorced early, but there was a guitar around and
he was beating on pots and pans. But like when

(15:21):
I was about I think twelve, up up to that point,
it was just sports, sports, sports, and we love music.
But when I hit like twelve or thirteen, I really
something kicked in.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
I told my dad I want to play. And so
I went way deep, you know, two hours before school to.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Get home and jam after baseball practice or whatever and
just played to the night.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
And you know, he kind of caught up.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
He bought us both guitars one Christmas, and that was
I mean a big deal. Even back then, getting one guitar,
it was like and uh, so I got mine. It
was just cool red when it looked cool when Matt
got Defender, but I liked it. I looked at it.
I thought it was great. But I was just looking
it and sliding on the bed. He would every day

(16:05):
before school, every day after school, all night jam on it.
Once he started jamming, I could already play the drums
a little. So then we started the thing, you know,
jamming together. But that's how it really happened.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
The first band was called Early Times with a Z
shout out to the Early Times.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Had to put that though, oh yeah, yeah, with a
Z flair.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
So just you two in the in the early day.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
We had a buddy in high school to play bass,
so just me and him and and uh and I couldn't,
you know, we didn't have a singer, so I said,
I guess I'll just sing And didn't know what I
was doing. I was just trying to imitate at my dad,
you know, around him, but I was it was cool.
My dad started his band back, got his guys kind
of back together, and they were like just it was
a little energy around town and he had his band.

(16:52):
They were really good, and so I had a great
like learning experience I go watch them practice every Tuesday
and Thursday nights, and I would just study the guitar
player and you know, and just go home and learn it, learn,
learn it. And so we had a lot of that around,
and it was just it was it was pretty cool.
You'd be from a small town and he's playing with
his band again and they're playing the local club called

(17:14):
Mine in Yours and then we're the kids coming up.
So we opened for them, and it was just it
was cool.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Did you feel like any of your pursuit of music
was to be closer to your dad?

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, but I just.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Probably so. But we just thought it was cool and
we loved it. You know, I always loved music, so
I don't know. Maybe it probably had something to do
with that.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yeah, those first high school parties that we got to
play at that that gave us the bug. It was like,
oh yeah, it was like, okay, this is cool. We
could only play half of this song, half of that song.
It didn't matter. People went crazy. So that's where the
bugs started.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
And then when I was like like fifteen and I
had the hottest nineteen year old girl, eighteen years girl.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Like all over me, I was like, I'm in on this.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, something happened.

Speaker 6 (18:05):
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Speaker 3 (18:20):
What kind of music did your dad play, not himself,
but in the house or like in the car? Worst
favorite bands?

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I mean it was Bob Seeger, Allman Brothers, Ye Devil, McClinton.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah, like a.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Lot of soul music, Johnny Taylor, stuff like that. There's
just a lot of soul and southern soul and jam stuff.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
But my my assumption then is those are big influences
on you, those bands, because they influenced your dad so much,
Like that's probably what you listen to and emulated that
also with like whatever, the chili pepper or whatever it was.
It was like a mixture of those two things.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yep, because that's that's what I was learning to play.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
I was learning he was doing all those you know,
classic seventies songs and whatever. He was like and then
and so we were I was kind of learning those
songs and learning about the songs, and but Scott turned
me on to some old class rock.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
I'll never forget. We had this old record player and he's.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Like, man, check this out, and it was Boston more
than the feeling and check this guitar out this all
those great songs around as well as the pop songs
that were coming up that my mom was listening to
on the radio that you heard all the time. And
you know, and back home was a big Eastern Carolina
and North and South Carolina have what they call beach music,
but it's just like blue eyed soul kind of but

(19:41):
it's really cool.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's very local, but.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It's a it's a lot of blues soul based stuff
back home, and country was always there. The lifestyle was
country and you heard it. It was always like my
grandma had the record player and was always playing country
stuff and.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Elvis was it, Yeah, Elvis two yep.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
I always said the country music growing up in Arkansas
was about where I was from, but like the alternative
stuff was about kind of how I felt and what
like the culture was for me.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yea, so it was.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
And again I was also and I think we're around
the same age. I was also like napster and that
first generation that in college was able to download whatever
I wanted, and therefore you had friends who were also
able to do the same, but they would be able
to tell you about stuff, and it wasn't that you
had to drive the best buy, you just had to
go and type it in your computer and illegally download it.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
I remember getting so mad when like Metallic I was
trying to shut down download it. I was like, you
guys don't even know what it's like. We deserve all
those music for free. You're robbing us. I was so
mad at bands trying to shut that down. Now, obviously
I understand why that could have never sustained itself. Yeah,
I was I so mad when they tried to shut
Napster down because I thought we deserve that music for free.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Once we started getting those CDs where all these different
songs on before, you could have only afford well, I
could only afford maybe one CD every few months. If
you could get that one and you be your favorite band,
and it might be two like hit songs there, but
you became fans of the band because you listened to it.
But yeah, man, that was a that was a game changer.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
They also had a lot of filler on those albums
back then because they could because if they had a
single or two, they knew you'd buy it, and they
weren't gonna do twelve awesome songs. It was like two
and a half, maybe three if they thought they'd get
a third single. But times were different. You'd buy a
freaking record and it kind of would be awesome, awesome,
suck or it wouldn't sound anything like the singles, like
the Bitch. He'd buy a record and the would sound

(21:26):
nothing like this reason you bought the record.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Speaking of Sugar Ra, do you remember when that came out?

Speaker 3 (21:30):
It was hard.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
There's like metal core and the rest flyers up there.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
It was like us about your wings on flying and
the rest of it. It was crazy. That's one of
the records I'm talking about where I was like, this
is not But then they switched it up obviously, and
then they just embraced that new you know, beach rock
whatever that ended up being with Every Morning and all that.
But yeah, people don't even know, like they were expensive
and then there were like two good songs on it. Yep,

(21:57):
especially in the pop world especially. I remember that first
Britney Spears record was garbage except for like three songs,
and all three of those were massive hits. You have
that one, Yeah, Yeah, I'm not embarrassed at all the day.
But then once we were able to get napster and
download whatever we wanted, we were able to get our
friends tastes and sensibilities and hey, you liked it, and

(22:17):
so therefore mine grew right. And then MTV now you're
talking about t r L time for me, But when
it was really popping, it was country music grows from
but like alternative stuff was like how I felt, that's
all sad, upset at the world. And then classic rock
was was the radio. Yeah, like freaking cool ninety five.

(22:38):
I listened to that Cool ninety cool, good times, great oldies.
But back in the day for good times, great oldies,
they'd play like led Zeppelin and stuff.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
It was like a classic rock oldies type thing.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Get the Lid Out.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
That was like get the lid.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Tuesday, Get the leadout. I was talking about it.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I love led Zeppel. Have you seen the documentary?

Speaker 3 (22:54):
No, no, I've seen it, and I can't get my
wife to watch it. I've been working on with Tom
Petty when first, Oh I heard about that. Yeah, so
we're on. I have a queue of things and I
would like for her to watch. She has a que
of things that she would like me to watch, but
mostly we stay in what we both like. So I'm
trying to get to watch the Tom Patty Went and
then I'll move on to the led zeppel One. But

(23:14):
I think what will interest her is that supposedly, and
this was a common thing for a lot of bands,
that they sold their soul to the devil. That was
kind of the rumor everybody made up, like Metallic, I
sold us out to the devil. Led Zeppelins hold us
old of the devil. But I think if I could
like get her with that like they sold us, she'd
be like, I'm interested. I'm interested to know their story.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah yeah, I mean sure, I don't know if you'll
know the songs. But I heard the song so much
I said, I'm I'm zepped out, man. I'm like, it's
hard because I just Alder in high school. You heard
the Classic walk Station and my buddy loved him and
it was just on all the time. But crazy thing though,
you know, their first gig, according to this documentary, they
took a private jet to.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Go do it.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
It was it was how they do that because this
was Jimmy Page's you know, super group. Because he was
in the yard Birds, and when they busted up, and
then it was like he's putting together this band and
it's gonna be you know, And so.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
It was hyped up to be this big supergroup and
that's what.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
But they came up with the songs and the sound,
and they had Bonzo on the drums and they were
just it was unbelievable that he could put that together
and that quick. They come up with those songs and
the sounds, and he produced all of it. He was
like this classicol producer or worked in the studio, so
he had all this experience and he added it to
the rock and roll.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's just really cool. You gotta watch it.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
I always felt that Robert Plant hated that he recorded
some of those songs because then he had to sing
on his whole life, like in theory and on the record.
But then there's a reason he doesn't sing them now
he's older. It's hard to hit that and you don't
want to do it halfway because those are legendary, those
are iconic songs, right, so he records those, you know,
he's he's up here. Oh yeah, yeah, Like your lifespan

(24:46):
as a vocalist in that range is very limited. Yeah,
and then I still hit it, have you. I mean
I've seen them, Okay, I saw the they do it
in DC. The I did it with the Riba Kennedy
the Kennedy Center, and and everybody was playing their songs
back to them like heart didn't I.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Mean, oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
And then they ended up singing and he did. They
did Stairway to Heaven and he got there a little bit,
but he didn't really try. And that's a song though
you can keep it, keep the tempo down. But I
think that's the That's some of my friends too. I'm like, man,
why'd you record it like that? Because now you've got
to sing it like that the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
How many times do you think Stairway to Heaven has
been played in the Guitar Center since.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
You know, there are those things where it's like no
playing Stairway to Heaven like band from practicing Stairway to
Heaven and the guitar. What was the first song you
guys learned on guitar?

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Oh, man, keep your hands to yourself Georgia Satellites.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Was that a pretty easy congression?

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Dang dang, dang good, It's just that a to e
to d I mean, and that was the first we
played that song with my dad at our very first
live performance at the Martin County Humane Society benefit show
and the high school auditorium. That was our very first
time playing live, and that was how he taught me how.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
To play guitar.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
So I think the first thing I ever learned was
Smoke on the Water because that same thing. Yeah, yeah,
smoke on the water probably, And then you could learn
if you learned anything like the standard blue stuff, you
could kind of go into the George thorough good stuff
because his stuff, although he definitely was super distinct, like

(26:20):
bad to the bone, like I drink alone, Yeah, I
wouldn't know about it. Yeah, like that stuff you kind
of figure out pretty easy too. And I wasn't a
good guitar player and I'm still not, but that stuff
I could fake enough. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, that's the thing about kind of the bluesy stuff
is you can kind of.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Get by with it.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's crazy to now that I go play, like I
go try to learn riffs and stuff. It's just like
you heard these riffs your whole lives and you understand.
But coming from like Jimmy Page, who did it originally
came up with it and the.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Way he plays it.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I was like, how many people have been in bands
and tried to play those Jimmy Page licks note for
note and like he's just ripping them like it's coming
off his brain. It's I'm pretty like, I'm way more
appreciative now. Back then, I was like, I can play it,
you know, it sounds close enough, but then put it
on you know, tape or record it and have it
be the one is is unique?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
What's interesting about music and especially style or and you
can hear certain players because their sounds are so distinct.
You can talk about Page, you can talk about even
tone with guns and roses or slash, even like a
Paisley and how he picks, like there are distinct things
patterns or sonically. But that was so apparent late fifties,

(27:32):
sixty seventies, eighties into the nineties, but it kind of stopped.
And for the same reason the jump shots started to
all be the same, and the same reason that batting
stance has all started to be the same. The Internet
existed and you would watch those old black and white
videos of Hale Check and the Celtics. Those guys all
shot weird because they didn't have YouTube to watch to
see how to shoot basketball, so they all had to
develop their own styles. Same thing with batting stances, like

(27:54):
in the eighties nineties onto skalarag a wide open stance.
Same thing with a guitar playing, where it wasn't versally
learned because there was nothing universal that everybody could read
unless you went out and bought a guitar. But then
you're just reading it or you're buying a VHS off TV.
So now players don't have as distinctive styles because everybody
grows up knowing what everyone's style is and you kind

(28:16):
of mimic what you can learn. And you used to
not be able to do that unless you were like
listening to one song over and over on a record.
So it's been for these again. I compare batting stances
to jump shots to guitar style. Nobody has their own
because you have the ability to get everybody's and see everybody's.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Now there's so much to learn out there now.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
You know, when we were coming up, you had to
seek it out, or you had to learn a tab
in the back of a guitar player magazine or rent
the DVD, you know, structural DVD once YouTube is amazing,
then I mean.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Cost it's great, I love you can get it, but
what it does hurt is I think creatively or just
to survive, people have to create new styles because they're
they don't have other ways to learn it. And so
I think a lot of those iconic styles that we
know in any of those areas are because it wasn't
universally able to be learned, so you had to learn
or figure it out your way yourself, and your way
would just be so different distinct. So that's my rant

(29:13):
on the internet.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
We all borrow from somebody, you know, in a lot
of ways.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Who do you think you borrow from? The most I
can answer, I'll answer mine. Yeah, who do I think,
even if I'm not doing it on purpose, because I've
spent so much time watching him, it's David Letterman. Okay,
I probably have stole so many mannerisms, so many that

(29:38):
I don't even realize how much I've stolen, because I've
just have consumed what I think is everything that he's
ever done. Humor's are reverent, he looks odd, and that's okay.
Like I think, probably I've stolen so much of David
Letterman that I don't even know how much I've stolen
but accidentally. Yeah, so what about you guys.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
My dad probably he won't sue you, so that's good. Yeah, yeah,
I mean just the way he's saying. And but I've
caught myself I can't do it like him, like, but
I've heard recordings where I know what I'm doing. I'm
trying to, you know, sing like him or do do
those things. And probably the most I mean, like I said,
he was, he was a big Greg Almond fan.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
So now you talk about harmonies. When the all my
brothers sang together, that's like blood harmony but also being
awesome at the same time.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yep, that's some cool stuff, man, just just awesome. But
I was going to ask you about that.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
So how you went from so you were doing like
stand up gig, but you parlayed that into the now.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
I never really did anything good, So we just worked
hard or whatever. Literally, And I don't say that to
be like, oh, well, give me some attention here, Like
I don't have a single skill that I would say
is like in the upper five percent. However, I started
doing radio seventeen or eighteen, and I tried so hard
to be the guy with the big voice, the tradition, Hey,

(31:00):
everybody countdown number five. I tried that as hard as
I possibly could, and it was awful. And so because
I was so bad at it, and this is one
of those style things. Because I was so bad at
it and I couldn't do it, I was like, a
screw it, I'm just going to talk like I talk.
I got a southern accent. I talked too fast. Thirty
percent of the time people are wondering, what did he

(31:21):
just say? Because he that man, he speaks slow now yeh,
low down. And so I did all of that, but
only because I had to to survive, not because I
thought it was this great strategic advantage I have. And
so I was also very young, and what helped me
was I came from a small town, small market, didn't
know anybody. Therefore I had to develop my own style.

(31:41):
But also I was okay to go move anywhere because
it wasn't like I was leaving anything behind like we
were talking about earlier, like I had nothing. I was
not comfortable, but I was comfortable and with nothing. Yeah,
And so I did radio. And then I always used radio,
like I would go and open up for artists at
comedy clubs for a little bit, and I didn't. I

(32:03):
had like parody music that I would do, but I
was like, man, I have to use other people's music.
So I bought a guitar to pawn shop for fifty
bucks and a poster from Walmart that showed me the
chords and so yeah, but slack slap, slap slap. So
I used that to make chords and I started to
do you know, seven eight minutes. But I couldn't tour
because of my job. So I've just slowly used radio
or podcast to jump off and do all the other things,

(32:26):
and even like moving to Nashville, like I had started
syndicating my own show in Texas and spending my own
money and kind of developing my because nobody wanted to
spend money on me. So I was like, I'll just
do it myself. Yeah, I built always yeah, and I
wish they would have. It wasn't like I was like
I'm gonna show them and invest my own money, but
it was like, please, somebody give me money, and nobody would,

(32:47):
so I just use my own money and that's spent.
Why I get pick a ball court now because I
own so much of it. But it wasn't at first,
nobody was to want any money over here.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Dude, we did the same. We put everything on credit cards.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, we were like at one point pay and third six
percent interest, just playing enough shows we could pay that
bill and that we would go with it. We worked
our day jobs doing construction and logging and you know,
all that stuff that we had to do so we
could go just play. But we were dying for somebody
to give us some money. We just signed any kind
of deal back then. If somebody would have same anything,
you know, we'd have given it all away.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
We're lucky it didn't work that way. We were lucky
that people thought we sucked, but they just didn't understand.
I think what I think was they didn't understand what
I was trying to do. Therefore they didn't really appreciate it.
I tell myself that. But yeah, no, I would have
begged for anything, any money anything.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Oh yeah, we were man.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
We I mean we've done some sketchy things and sign
management deals for like a year out in LA some
guy we didn't even know. I mean, we just we
were just looking for that one ray of hope that
would get.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Us to where we are now.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Do we get us a record deal, so we could
you know, pay the debts and all that, and so
we would chase anything that we thought was going to
be tire advantage. And if we didn't have money to
pay for working with this producer or record in these songs,
we just put it on credit.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
And but eventually it all worked.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
It all this led to this, which led to that,
and it all it is crazy.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
And also you didn't stop. That is ninety six percent
of success is not stopping because you probably had so
many roadblocks where you're like, how the heck do we
get past this, yet it didn't stop you. And I
firmly believe that most of success is just continuing on
and when you can't continue, finding a way to continue,

(34:31):
even if it means I got to go work another job.
As long as you can keep it going, I would
imagine that having a bunch.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Of yeah, yeah, I mean we did.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
We did.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
That's all we do, just kept it going, and we'd
always find something. It would like a little spark and
it gets pumped up and excited and and you know,
ultimately what we needed we had to drive. You know,
we had the determination. We just didn't have the song
at first we had songs, and we were you know,

(35:04):
we had excitement around us because we were just we
were just a good time guys.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
We always have fun.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
We you know, did you think you had this song
but you really didn't. But did you think you had them?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Oh my god, yeah, I see that's the thing. We
thought we had them enough. But now looking back, it's like, no,
we didn't have the songs. But that was where if
you had got a label deal that they could have
helped you out and could have brought in a producer
and he could have reached out to some.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Of his better songwriter buddies.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
And because you realize, like you're just you're just doing
this us for and if you had to start a
band and you're lucky enough to have a really good
singer or guitar player or.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
You know, or.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Somebody in the band that can really write songs and
understands it, like you know, that's a that's a pretty
good deal. And we we really didn't. We just had
to just worked it out together.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
And just we didn't know anything. Not that we still
we still don't know anything.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I mean you're still learning, but you know, you'd have
had access to just some of these writers here that
that were you know, around to help you out.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean it had been awesome, and we did co writes.
We we you know, we had people that wrote.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Songs with us, but mostly it was just up to
us four and we're just trying to figure it out.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
You know, the Bobby Cast will be right back. This
is the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Was that first song you're talking about Carolina?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
That was the that was the one that did it
that that really like change. We had one song called
Broken Records that really like was was a wow moment, oh,
because this is kind of cool, this is like modern sound,
and the people really dug it and it was it
was like that one really lit a spark. That was
the first like melody wise song. But we were struggling

(36:51):
trying to figure out what was next week, gone to
like California to work with. We actually worked with Nikki
six in California. There's some songs with him because Peop
were and they were telling us like, you guys need.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
To be in Nashville, you need to be you know
you're and.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
We had like at one point in time, Jo Kobe
Shattucks from proper Oach and his tour manager were managing
us and and we had Mike Moushop from stains Man.
They were just trying to get us. They saw something
in us, but they were trying to get us a deal.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
We opened up for those guys and then they saw something.
They couldn't pinpoint what it was, but we did do
the harmony thing that you were talking about. It was
throwing the rock guys off. Three part harmony with Matt,
Josh and Berry. It was just a sound that they
were It wasn't rock. They were trying, like they said,
you need to go to Nashville, go to Nashville.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
It was like it wasn't They were trying to fit
us in that active rock stuff, you know what was
going on, which you know back in the day the
bands were popular and it just nothing fit, nothing fit,
and we just didn't have the song. But we wrote
Carolina and I remember when I got back.

Speaker 8 (37:59):
And I listened to it and I was like, I
got the guys. I said, y'all come listen to this.
This is crazy, this is it, this is this is
what we've been looking for. And it, you know, really
did it. It's really set things off.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
And you know, we had already been in the region
had had some excitement and then lost a little bit,
and it was both playing the same clubs and maybe
a new club would open up and you go here
and you you find new fans here. But it was
never like that. It was always kind of like up
and down. And then that song hit and it was
up for a while and nobody, even those guys couldn't

(38:32):
None of the labels would sign us. And we did
actually get one record label offer, and at that time
it was like right when three sixty deals came out
and anybody, our managers at the time messed it up
and now that was gone.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
And who wrote that song?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Carolina us four? Josh and Ricky?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Did he bring something to it that you guys didn't
have with you for or what element was he did?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
He really did? He brought that. Uh, he brought the bridge.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
In, which is really a strange you know, change up,
but it works so well.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Do the bridge a second?

Speaker 8 (39:09):
No matter how far I go, you know, I can't
start thinking to buy her and there's nothing lied away.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I'm feeling, oh.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
There's changes.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
And that was really something and he's and we didn't
know at that time he was, you know, the musical genius.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
He is and YouTube was out there.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
We just rolled in there the crazy stories. We did
a showcase, and and Charlotte and we just uh this
A and R guy Kim Steven's Rest of the Soul was
coming to see us. And he came to see us,
and I knew he wasn't going to sign us. You know,
you knew that look, and I didn't.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
We didn't get mad.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I just went up to him after the show said, hey, man,
if you sign us tomorrow, what's the first thing you do.
He said, that's easy, I'd send y'all down to Atlanta
to work with Rick Piotto. I was like, cool, thanks,
And next day call Rick up, Amen, we're coming to
see And so we had actually had three songs that
we had already recorded that we wanted to that we

(40:07):
already written we wanted to re record with him. And
so we had this one song we haven't finished and
we played in this demo and it was a demo Carolina.
He said, sure, come on back, and so we came back.
We recorded those songs and h and man, it was awesome.
I always tell the story, but the uh so, So
we get back about three days later to get a
call from Rick and he's like, because we wrote him

(40:29):
a check for eleven thousand dollars, that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
But and our buddy of ours was invested.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
In the band for a few years, and and uh
it was we could tell it's kind of getting to
the end of it, but this is gonna be the
last thing. And uh so we gave him a check
and and uh got back home and he called me up.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
He's like, hey man, that check bounce.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Seriously, He's like he was pissed, Like you guys, y'all
got to come up with this eleven thousand dollars you're
not getting into some music. And it's crazy, man, I mean,
I don't. We were out credit cards done have tapped
out on our buddy that was investing. And I went
to my mom and I said, Mom, can we borrow
eleven thousand dollars and we'll pay you back like twenty

(41:09):
percent interest.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I promise you will pay you back.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
And she took a second mortgage out on her home
and loan was that money and didn't ask to hear
one song. Crazy, but and we paid her well, we
paid her back, you know, because that was that was
way before this was two thousand and seven seven. This
is two thousand and seven. So she loaned us to money.
We put an EP out in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
You know, she got her.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
We paid her every time we got any money, I
made sure I paid her back on her payment plan
and we did and it was great. And then you know,
then nothing, then nothing in crickets. You know, then we
don't have we still don't have a record that. We
still don't have nothing.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
We're broke as a joke day jobs, but we have
the song.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
And then that's when we one of the guys that
was working with us as a booking agent kind of
managing with me, they had they had started this label
in town called Golden Music or something, and they had
signed this artist from North Carolina named Benton Blunt. And
they said, hey, hey guys, we're in Nashville. We want
to we want to put that song out on Benton.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
And for Bend to record it.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Yeah, and we were like, okay, yes, somebody in Nashville
is gonna record You're like.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
And also we made we get some money. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, he tried to try to get all our publishing
on wow.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
But anyway, yeah, so so check this out.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
So you know, we were stumbling around, couldn't get a deal,
and then all of a sudden, Ben's gonna put it
out and uh, he records it.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
I actually did the CD.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Art work for him for hustle. I needed money, you know,
and so he puts it out and all we were
told by our manager, He's like, you guys should go
out to Nashville. You're you're writers on that you should
go out there and just go try to write songs.
And we're like, okay, well okay. And we had some
friends out here that because we've been out here a
little bit over the years, but any we called who

(42:54):
we knew, shout out to Greg gallow and and uh
and and they hooked us up with some co rights.
We pulled our RV in the parking across from the
ten roofs, you know, when it was all that ratty
parking lot, and we lived there for like a month,
and we who's we Me and Scott out of the band.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
All four of you lived in the RB Yeah, in
that parking lot.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
At that time, I was still logging in the logging business.
So I would go back home for two weeks and
any money I could send them or keep them out
here is like stay out there, keep writing, keep writing.
We got to we might have a hit song by
this big country artist.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
And this is all crazy. So we're out in RV.
It's the year that the town floods.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
We have like a couple of co writes set up,
which actually was one of them was.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
With our manager David now So we met. We were
out here, We didn't know anybody. We were just the
town was empty because it was it was the Songwriter's Fest,
so everybody's at Key West.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
The town floods.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
We're out here living in an RV, and there's a
handful of rights we have, and one of them just
happened to be with David Fanning and he at that
time had been working with Rich and Tully and Kirk
who were doing this production deal. They were in Jason
Aldan's band, Jason's band. They had this production deal set
up with the label Broken Bow to bring in an

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artist and at this time, like Thompson Square just popped off.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
And they were working with them. So we met David.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
We hit it off immediately, kind of couting the same cloth.
He comes to the r V one afternoon, I think
on a Sunday and we right, must have had a
good time in that RV. So it's so we were
just trying to get a production deal and about the
same time, Benton's record label kind of folded up, so

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he was about Ben was actually talking to our label
about getting signed off of that song. But Tina, who
works with us too, I'm sorry getting too involved here,
she was like, no, you She was telling Loban Ben.
He's like, no, you need to hear the band that
wrote the song that really did like you need to
hear them.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
So she was raising the flag.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
And we were in town and so it's kind of
like we got the song back and then we met
David and we wrote must have had a good time,
and so we went in and played for those guys
David's production group, and they loved it and they were like,
we want to give you all a two song production deal.
So we're gonna we want you guys to come back
in July and we're gonna record Carolina.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
We're gonna rerecord it.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
And we're gonna record must have had a good time
on on spec. So I mean, dude, this was like hope,
all of a sudden, out of.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Nowhere, someone else investing in you. Yeah, I just yourself. Yeah,
a totally different feeling. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
We never had a deal like that where somebody was
gonna take care of it all.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
So we came back in July.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
We recorded the two songs, and the idea is like, okay, guys,
we have first rights at Broken Bow to get you signed. Yeah,
we want you guys to kind of We're gonna bring
you guys back in like October and we're gonna do
like showcases.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
We're gonna play music.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
For everybody and kind of like get the buzz going.
This is your and we're coming back in October. So
we're like, fellas, we got to get ready for this,
uh this Nashville.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
We're coming to Nashville. We're gonna returning a new leaf.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
And so we're out doing shows and we do do
a Monday night gig in September.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Boom, it's to shooting at.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Oh in your rv uh huh wow. The timing it's like, hey,
take a step forward, okay, now three steps about like
that it's over.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Yeah, kind of like it's over. Yeah it might be
oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
I never knew the timing of that.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Oh, it was all like it just yeah, all that time.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
It was crazy whenever and so and you've told it before,
but for people that haven't heard, to give me a
forty five second version of the story because I'm gonna
ask questions about following it. So I'd like to.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, So we're playing a show on a Monday night
at a small club. Finish the show, Me and Scott
onto rv H getting things ready to pack up, Josh
and Barry rolling cables. We get a knock at the door,
thinking that it's Barry and Josh, but it's a gun
at my head. Give me a f and cats and
then pushed us up in an r V and then
fired the gun. Demanded money inside the r V and

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Scott was in the back. Just had to be in
the back, had to be a concealed carrier. King of
the Castle law in South Carolina, and came out and.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
You know, like took care of business.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Uh And where were you?

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Rock Hill, South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
That's the end of the town.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
You got no shade on rock Hills.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Just yeah, I mean bad, wrong place, at the wrong time,
wrong place. He engaged both the guys, took took out
both of them, but he got shot three times in
the uh in the crossfire or whatever, how to get shot?

Speaker 3 (47:40):
What's crazy? Is that? Again? You've had all these like
we're talking about hurdles, obstacles, barriers, like you're finally, you're
finally someone wants to invest in you now, and now
you have a freaking shot.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Oh yeah, that was the I mean, it's this unreal.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Like what do you what is your mind? Okay, let's
the per some stuff, a site that your brother at,
your family. Oh yeah, like all that. Obviously that's terrible
first and foremost. But whenever you're looking at the business,
now do you do you guys just totally set it
to the side for a while. What happens there?

Speaker 4 (48:13):
I think y'all said, y'all kind of hid it from
David and the crowd.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
We didn't let Nashville know how bad, how bad off
he was. He only had a five percent chance of living.
That's what the doctor told us.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
What do you what do you remember? Not about the shooting,
but what do you anything in the hospital at all?

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Yeah? Basically, when I, you know, woke up, I remember
certain people and they took a track out and uh,
the first thing I said is we're not playing any
more shitty clubs, so they knew I was okay just
by being funny. But they knew I was okay. Now
now we do the recuperation process, so my mind was okay.

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And then it was just the skiddim out of the
hospital and let's work on whatever we could work on.
But it was pretty rough.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
The PTSD for everybody. And I want to I'll make
a comparison so I can give you time to think
of the answer you'd like to tell is and I'm
gonna ask you about the PTSD of it a bit.
So I had I got held at gunpoint at an
event and pistol whip didn't get shot, but it ft
me up for years because I had my house broken
into at the same time. But I couldn't close my eyes.

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If I closed my eyes, or if it was a nighttime,
if someone came behind me, nope, Like I was not
built for nighttime anymore. I was not built for even
closing my eyes. I would see people attacking me or
a gun coming to my head. I didn't get shot,
so I can't imagine no one pulled the trigger. You're
even in there where they're where they're shooting. So how
long and do you still deal with that at all.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Still dealing with it. Yeah, I mean, I'll go to
therapy now, I got do I try anything? I worked
would actually think, Oh, Porter's call is for us musicians
and touring anybody, and this uh it's free. So uh yeah,
I still working on that every day. It's just like

(50:07):
you did, you know, you just it's a little bit
at a time. Work on it, work on it what
you're scared of. Like I always wanted to carry the
gun for a while, and then I kind of loosened up,
Like now I don't have to feel like I have
to have a fire arm with me all the time.
I don't. I still just for getting older, and probably
you too. I don't want to be in sketchy places anymore.

(50:27):
I mean I don't want to be in dark alleys.
I don't want to be in the clubs anymore late
at night, you know, leaving early. I really like you said,
nothing help is good after twelve.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Wrong, Like I would be at the grocery store and
someone way just making a noise behind me. And again
I'm not even comparing the two because I didn't get
shot and nobody pulled the trigger around me. I got
pistol web that ain't the same, but it's scary.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
It's close. I mean, that's it's scary.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
But I struggled and I didn't sleep, and I still don't.
I still have a door lock issue like that. I
deal with that like the doors man that it's it's
like I got to go through and if I don't
remember every door being locked when I go to sleep,
I have to go and do it again. Like I
have to visually remember to where my therapist. It's like,
you know what you should do, take pictures every night
of every door that you locked so you don't wake

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up or an hour later ago. I don't know if
I locked every door, and I have to get up
and do it.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
And so I think you just gotta do what you
gotta do, whatever makes you feel better.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Did I got on sleeping pills for a while and
it was really bad. Did any sort of alcohol or
drug issues with you trying to because I did?

Speaker 4 (51:26):
It was it was kind of crazy because I'm trying
to figure the story that happened, and it was I
was in come for ten days. I woke up, I
kind of knew where I was at, and then it
was in my mind it just get well so the
focus was working out, recuperate and try to get back
to Nashville to get this record deal. So all of

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us were kind of focused on that, so I probably
blocked most of it. Then we got here in yet February.
That was September. I hobbled on stage in February, we
did six songs, we got the record deal. We were
blown away. I mean like just the greatest time of
you know, the greatest thing that ever happened to us.

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So from that point forward, it was focused on music.
All this focus. I mean, I guess drowning yourself and work.
It took five years, five years because that hit must
have had a good time. Hit Carolina, Hit Closed Your
Eyes was next, two, three, four years of just this
excitement rolling. About the fifth year we slowed down and

(52:34):
something hit me, hit me hard. I was just sad.
I had a little bit of money, my bills were
paid for everything. It just came on me that do
you realize what happened? Have you dealt with what happened
in my mind? And it just hit me in now
the dude, I was crying in the middle for no reason, sad, scared,
and then I was like, Okay, you've gone five years,

(52:56):
hadn't dealt with anything now as far as I didn't,
I mean I drank normal, I didn't go into some
abyss of thank goodness, I didn't go. I didn't go.
But yeah, I took sleep mess. I still have problems sleeping.
I'm working with therapy on that, just nightmares or whatever.

(53:17):
It's gotten better though. The more I do therapy, the
better it's getting. And uh, it's just it's just your mind.
You know, you just got to work on it. And
I think you know, telling people, telling you or talking
about it helps it don't help me to night. I'll
sleep good tonight just by talking to you about it,
I really will.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
The therapy is a big deal, and I think we
grew up the same that that wasn't really that wasn't
a thing na And it's hard for me to talk
to like people where I'm from where it's not a
thing to go like you don't understand because I didn't
understand nor what I have understood, right, And so it's
such a big deal. It was for me through a
few things, but especially that because we I tried every

(53:55):
I don't sleep still, like I have bad issues, and
I think a lot of it is rooted in security,
and I'm sure so. Yeah, But I couldn't sleep for
so long, and I tried everything naturally. And I've never
had a drink of alcoholic. I've never used a drug,
and that's from a different set of issues. But my
doctor was like, you're gonna get sick if you don't sleep,
and I was getting sick, and so we tried to

(54:17):
sleep and pill and it was like I took to
it too well.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Well, we all know the sleep is where you recuperate
and and if even if we're working too hard or
whatever you're doing. That's what I found out. It all
boils down to that good sleep to help your body
in your mind.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Sleeping water. Who knew? Yeah, the things would take for
granted the most it's sleeping water breaks down.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
And I know we still do enough to sleep.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I don't get enough water either, and I have unlimited access.
I got a freaking tap. I just turn it and
I still don't drink. The worst thing is I've got
this ring. You know I have an ring too.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Oh man, It really shouldn't makes you feel good or bad. Yeah,
but the good night you're good in it. On bad night,
you're like.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
My wife, mean me, get it. I look at my
sleep I am just fascinated. Look, I have my app
every morning I wake up. What are my sleep score?
Do you think that you had a goal and that
you were moving toward that goal before you went in
helped you get out of physically that the hospital and
because you were striving towards something again.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
I mean, I really do. I mean, and for all
of us, you know, well, the first goal was getting well.
And luckily for me, I've always enjoyed sports and working out,
so I took it as a work as a as
a you know, Oh my job now is to work
out so I can play drums again. So it was

(55:40):
kind of like workout first, get well, figure figure out
if I could play drums again. And then once I
could play, then it was hopefully we'll get a record deal.
But we're gonna at least try to get a record deal. Now,
once you sign a record deal, now you know that
don't mean nothing. You got to have hit songs, you
got to keep it rolling. We thought that was just gonna,

(56:00):
you know, save our life. But now we know with.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Carolina that took a while, right, was one of those Yeah,
I mean all of them have.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, but yeah, it took a year.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
It was released in February and it took till December.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Uh when it finally.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Did it feel slow? Or because it was your first time?
That was just normal.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Normal for us. We didn't know. We didn't I mean,
we didn't know. We don't mean now you know, but
I don't know now. We didn't know.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Everything about it.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
He must have had a good time came out first,
and that was like a that was like the first
song that kind of connected with people, and that did
well and it got us moving. And then they stopped
at like thirty six or something, you know, and then
Carolina came out. I do remember one one like week,
I was talking with the producers and I was just
freaked out. I was like, man, what if nobody like
likes this like voice and nobody likes the song and

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you know, it was one, say, at number forty for
four weeks.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Wow, didn't they got out of forty yet? The Murky
is like twenty five thirty two?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah, wow, lost his bullet were able to get it back,
but I don't know anything about that.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
But once it started moving, man, it really started.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
King lost his bullet at forty, your label stuck back.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
They got back.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Yeah, stayed at forty.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
It was bad, and you know, we're just out there,
highest point of our career because we we had a
song that worked, and we got this coming.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Out and we don't know anything about the radio.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
But yeah, when it finally went, that was like Okay.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Now it's like, oh God, can we do it again?

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Yes, you probably still get that every time.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
It never goes.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
That's an ongoing saga, man, And you know, just think
we're thankful we have, you know, enough to make a
really fun show and that kind of stuff that you're
always you're always chasing out.

Speaker 6 (57:43):
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and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Which one felt the easiest of your number ones.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Which one felt the easiest, I will say probably take
my name.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I like it because it.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Started working itself, and once it took off, it was
just everywhere and it went on and it was just
doing things we never expected. I don't think anybody could
have called it. It was just it was just reacting
and connecting. But just the way it was almost like
a was like the Carolina Yeah, because at that point
in time, our career was kind of just going down.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
We could.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
We were just we're just trying to figure out that
next move to get us, you know, back on track.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
We had Carolina and calling Close Your Eyes was like
number three, We called you Miles of ten top ten.
So we did good and put the second album mount
and was just trying to figure out where we were
and nothing really popped off.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
With Roots was great.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
It was slaty to be like they were telling us
it was your career song and all the stuff and nothing.
Forty spent a whole year on it and it never
got past you know, thirty.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
We got lost in the label shuffle, Yeah somebody else.
So we're just sending a two year.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Yeah what Time makes such a big part of it too.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Yeah this man and then always.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, speaking of time, and you know, just the way
we dropped out in the end of twenty nineteen, in
between December twenty nineteen and March when the when the
pandemic hit, that song started taking on its own life
and started it went viral and like you know, TikTok
top fifty global viral and all of a sudden, out
of nowhere, we've got some something to look forward to something,

(59:30):
to be excited about, something, to dig in and go
one hundred percent. And then and then COVID hits, and
you know, right when we're about to take off again,
you know, this this thing happens.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
But it was. It worked out great for us because.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
That song was was given hope and a positive message
over a bad time. I feel like it had a
lot to do with it, and we had time to
focus and work on it.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
You know, do you guys eat fish?

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah, you like fish? You love fish?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
What's your fishal stance on fish? Eating? Fish? I like?
I like it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I mean yeah, I mean what kind of fish you
talk about? Where's this going?

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Am I going anywhere? What's your fish take on fish?

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Okay? Uh? I eat I'll eat a little bit of sushi,
but I'll eat my salmon like I like to eat.
I'm just one of those guys that like red meat, chicken, fish, fish.
I don't think I do either, But.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I like fishing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
I should eat more of it. I should eat more fish.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
I think I should too, But that's that's me. Yeah,
I don't eat as much.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
I had some cod before I came down here. As
my ask, I just remembered I left it out like
that literally went to my head. I left it out
and yeah, so my wife's probay in the kitchen right
now his fishing man. Yeah, that literally popped my head
and asked that question. It was like some sort of
coconut flavored cod, because I can eat cod by itself.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I mean, honestly, let's be real good old like fried
Calabash style seafood out of the top of the teer
for me, I mean fried shrimp, fried flounder.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Because you guys are from like the water, but you're
also from the South.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Well, yeah's on that coast.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
That's the that's the mix. It's the South for sure,
but it's also the water, which isn't like Arkansas, Mississippi South.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah, No, it's ocean.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
You guys like the beach, do you like to be
I love it man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
See, I've never been a beach guy because I did
grow up around a beach. Yeah, my wife loves the beach,
but she grew up in Oklahoma, but they went on vacations.
That's a Florida. We never went on vacations. So until
I got to be of age to like do it myself,
and then I was like, what, I don't have any
good memories of the beach. I don't give a crab.
You can't even really swim in some of it because
it's cold and it's salty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
There's like I love the beach.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
I'm not fond of sand being everywhere, but it's just
the vibe when you go there and just the whole
lifestyle and see the palm trees, whether it's the sound
side or the ocean side.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
It's just I never like to take a short off
around people either, So I didn't like that either until
I was like thirty at the chest of like a
twelve year old.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
I just now got out of that. So I never
been a big never been a big beach guy. We
went to Turks and Kickos. Yeah, and I've only heard
about that in like rap songs, and so we went
down there and it's fine. My wife's like, this is amazing.
I'm like, c plus, yeah, that's about it. It's about
as good as it gets.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
So there last year, Yeah, and that's our first trip.
It was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
You have a fun story about that. I was at
a restaurant Turks and Kegos, and all these guys come
in and jump in track suits, so big Michael Jordan
logos on them, and big dudes, like four of them.
They all walk in and it's night. It's like eight o'clock,
and my wife and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I are there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
I don't even know why she picked to go there,
but the good thing is now I have a little money,
so we where she wants to go, because I don't
give a crap where we go. I don't even like vacation.
I like, I like going with her and like, but
I don't even like vacation. I don't know what to
do with my hands, kind of like one of those things,
like what do I do with my hands? I don't
know what to do with just time off. I'm not
comfortable in it. And so we go and these again,

(01:02:53):
these dudes come in and jump in suits, and there's
there's like six couples in the restaurant, maybe five total,
and jump man people. They're not angry, but they're a
little irritated the situation. And then all of a sudden,
I see Drake walking through the restaurant and he walked
up buy my wife a nice table. And I was like, oh,

(01:03:13):
it's Drake, him, Drake and some girl and so they
walk right past us and they put him out on
the beach, like right by us, like a private table.
And I was like, oh, that's cool, it'sdrake private table. Whatever.
Turns out they'd come in and try to get him
to close the whole restaurant kick all of us out.
Oh that's why they were in and irritated because they
wanted them to clear the restaurant out for Drake. And
the restaurant was like no, like, nobody here gives a

(01:03:34):
crab dude. We'll set you up a table at the beach.
They were also like, you can just sit there's nobody
in the restaurant, Like, just you can sit in there.
Nobody's gonna bother you. Because it was like a nice
it was a nice place, and so you had they
walked through it on the beach. But the Jumpman people
were not happy with that restaurant's happened. I'mmagine Drake kicks
people out of restaurants all the time, Like you don't
ask for that if it doesn't happen sometimes, like you

(01:03:56):
get nine no's in a row, you don't ask the
tenth time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Yeah, or you're right, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
So who's Parmally kicked out of restaurants. You guys done
that before. Parmally is here. Get out of Dave and Busters.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Definitely not.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
We have to get into the restaurant. You guys. We
love going out to eat though. That's like me and
he will talk about pleasure or having little money. It's
nice to just go out to eat and not worry
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
That's like one of the two things, like the best
things about not having anything and then having stuff. Number One,
free clothes. I get free clothes sometimes, it's awesome. And
number two is I can order whatever. It's like going
to the gas station. I can have anything in there
I want. Yep, that's crazy. Anything in this whole gas
station I can have.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
And the same about groceries. You went to the grocery
store and you had to pick and choose and whatever,
and now you're like, just get what you want.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Kids. It can happen. If it can happen for us
to eat, You're honest, you it can happen for you,
no doubt about. Yes, you guys, stay on the road,
on the road to live.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Oh yeah, we're leaving today to go get on a
plane to go to California.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
The buses out there. Yeah, especially this time of.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Year like festival time, fair festival time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Doing a lot of headline and stuff. Uh yeah, it's
it's it's go time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
All the dates up parmally music dot com. So it's
Cowgirl because I'm gonna play this on our show and
possibly the countdown. So give me like a sound bite
just talking about Cowgirl, Like, what is this song about?
Why'd you put it out that kind of thing?

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I mean, it's just about falling in love with somebody
that's that's a little different, and you're you're going all
in on it, just trying new things and you know,
Cowgirl doing some country stuff and you just all in
on it. And uh, I mean it's just fun. It's
we knew after Gonna Love You was you know, deep
song and everyone is something that was gonna be tempo
and fun and the song just kind of checks all

(01:05:47):
the marks with you played it in a honky tonk,
You can play it on the boat, you can play
it up in the riding the kids to soccer practice,
you can play it, you know, anywhere pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
I feel like if you couldn't played anywhere, that would
be bad.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Don't make songs you can't play everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
We stopped pursing a long time ago for the part.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Did you stop each?

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Okay, got it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
I stopped probably five years ago, maybe more than that
now because I didn't want to think it and write
it and use it. Like I was writing books at
the time and I was like writing jokes. I was like,
I don't want to fall and curse. I don't want
to use that as well. I was a crutch.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
There's a damn in there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
That's okay, that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
But it's still it's still on it, like we let's
talk about it, you know, we.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Don't like there's a bunch of efforts and countries like yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Know from like we learned one time we did that
you can be on stage and stay as you don't
gain anything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
But yeah you don't get Yeah, you're right, you're gonna lose.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
We could lose, yes, because there are probably some parents
that brought their kids there, some ten year olds and audience.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
We got a lot of kids.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
We get a lot of kids.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Parmer lea kids album next.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
You heard honestly, yeah, what do we call that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Farmer League? And then it's all farm songs, Let's go,
let's rite, let's I know, I'm good, I'm good. The
album fell in Love with the Cowgirl. It's been out
since April. We're gonna play Calgirl on the show and
do all that, But you guys go watch them live. Listen.
You guys are what I point out to people whenever

(01:07:11):
they have reasons not to continue. And I mean that
in a good way, because you guys had like seventy
two reasons to go. You know, I think this didn't work,
I mean seriously, and because people get tired of me
telling my story. So it's like I got a couple
other versions for you, and you guys are one of
those stories. So, like, I think a big part of success,
the biggest part of success is continuing to show up.
It's like sleeping water. It's so fundamental. You think it's

(01:07:33):
got to be way more complicated than that. But if
you don't do that stuff right, you can't do the
other stuff right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
So I do mean that in the most complimentary way possible.
And I've said that outside of this, you know, and
I really wasn'tnna talk about the shooting because we'vealked about
that before, and I'm sure everybody asked you guys about
that all the time. So I'm glad we got there
because I think we got to unfold it a little
bit too.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Yeah. It's helping me too, the more we talk about
it and then opened up about things. I mean, it
just helps. Even you tell me your story, I'm like,
oh wow, just start lady, more people here, just stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
It was like slow motion for me, like I remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
I didn't want to get back. It's just I remember
that gun. I didn't feel it. Those what's crazy. I
got whipped and didn't physically feel it. I remember going, huh, wow,
I just got slap with a gun. Because the guy
kept being uh, what's your number? Put your coat in?
I was like, I don't remember my number? Yeah, and
I was like, dude, I was broke too. I was like, dude,
I will give you every bit of money in here
because I have none if you just don't shoot me. Yeah,

(01:08:27):
He's like, what, I didn't feel it? It was crazy. What
the mind, how the mind of body worked together? Because
if you hit me in the head right now, I'm
gonna cry and I'm gonna have a big knot. I'm
gonna wind about it for three months on the podcast.
I'm gonna get so much contact of it. However, I
didn't feel it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
You had a yes, you had adrenaline going. I did too,
And I mean I didn't feel anything until that my
stomach started burning. Hit two or three hitting me before
I fit burned, burned, like they said, hot metal going
through your body like somebody putting hot hot iron on you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Was it slow to you and your memory? Is it
slow or was.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
It just it was fast? Everything happened with less than
five seconds. Really, from the time I said, oh no,
grab my gun, walk about as close as we are right.
It all happened in this little tight area.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Was your gun in a case or was it in a.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
Just had it under my like in my little bunk
on it?

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Dude, that's crazy, you know what. I probably just ran
out and cried and get out, man, I mean, you
couldn't get out.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Was blocking the door. That's the other thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Do you ever watch zombie shows?

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
No, dude, I'm the opposite of that. I need lighthearted.
I mean I still watch like westerns and shoot them
ups and all that stuff, but no zombie stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
And we're watching a show now it's called Kingdom and
it's zombies, and it's like South Korean, but we do
English subtitles and make them speak English, which is opposite
of their mouth. It's like one of those old things.
So there were always a loft. But what I can
do is like take my glasses off and have bad
visions so it looks like their mouth matches. It's my
work around of the workaround, right, And so these zombies,

(01:10:01):
like if people are moving, they eat them. I would
just lay there. I always think like I would just
lay there and play dead. But then I wonder could
I maintain the playing dead until they went by without me,
without making like like a noise or something, or peeing
a little bit. Yeah, anyway, uh, parmally you guys go
to parmly music dot com, Instagram, Parmily Music. Thank you
guys for the time. This has been awesome you I

(01:10:21):
really appreciate it. And you guys check out Cowgirl.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.

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