Bobby is joined by TV legend Maury Povich, who looks back on the moments that turned “You are NOT the father!” into one of the most quoted lines in TV history and how that era compares to his early days as a serious journalist. He shares stories from covering Watergate and the Martin Luther King Jr. riots, what it was like being on the front lines of huge historic moments, and how those experiences shaped the way he sees people. Maury also talks about why, after all these years, he still genuinely loves interviewing and what keeps him curious about human behavior. Then WWE Superstar Chelsea Green hops in to pull back the curtain on life in the ring and on the road. She explains what it’s actually like to travel with championship belts through airports, why she refuses to check them, and the physical and mental grind that comes with a job that has no real off-season. Chelsea and Bobby get into the biggest misconceptions about wrestling being “fake,” the skill and risk that go into every match, and why the stories behind the characters are just as real as anything you’ll see on TV.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Bobby. In the case of your little baby, you are
the father.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Guess yes, it's me.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Episode five sixty. We're doubling up, double up.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Uh uh. Maury Povich.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
We'll talk to him for half hour and then we'll
get over to Chelsea Green after that. I can kind
of tell you a bit about both, but I'll do
Maury first. I mean, Maury was what would be on
all the time if you happen to be at home
in the daytime on a weekday when you were a kid.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, I was a kid.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I didn't know what was going on, but I watched it.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, for the most part, about thirty percent I had
no clue. Twenty percent I thought was kind of bad.
I was like, oh, I shouldn't be watching this, And
the other fifty percent I got. But yeah, it was
interesting because he was one of those that was kind
of like the heyday of daytime talk where it was
obviously Oprah and then she kind of elevated, and back
in the day it was Phil Donna who way back
(01:00):
in the day, Sally Jesse, Maury, Ricky Lake, like, there
were like seven or eight of those guys. Jerry Springer
ended up coming about it was the golden age of
those daytime sit down in the studio talk shows that
ended up just getting big ratings because they would do
things like You're Not Father. That's what Maury now has
(01:21):
known most for because the clips are going viral again
and then people are also like recreating them. And so
I can read you a little bit about this because
I really loved talking with Maury. I don't know he
was eighty years old. Yeah, he's with it. He's one
of the most with it eighty year olds I think
I've ever talked to. Because we were talking with him
and before we started, I was like, oh, man, this
is gonna be cool because Maury is like a big
(01:42):
part of my television childhood viewing, and he's pop culture,
big part of pop culture.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
But I was like, guy, it's kind of old.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
May have to like help him through it. Didn't have
to help him through it at all. He was even
dressed in golf gear as we were doing the interviews,
so you knew he had been out on the course
before that. So Maury Povich, the King of talked TV,
is back. He's got on par with Maury Povich Podcast
season two and you can check it out. He has
such a history in journalism his dad, and he talks
(02:12):
about this was the Washington Post for seventy five years.
And then Maury ends up, you know, being really serious
in journalism, like he covered from Martin Luther King that
that I had a dream speech to Nixon too.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I mean, he had done it all before.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
He had just kind of backed into doing daytime television.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
And we talked about that story. But Early enjoyed this.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So we're gonna get to Maury and then after that
we'll talk to Chelsea Green, who is if you watch
the Netflix series what was that even called if Unreal? Yeah,
it's where they showed you behind the scenes. I feel
like that really made Chelsea Green look relatable and like normal, right,
that's all I became a fan, Yeah, because it was
just somebody who worked hard, did everything they asked, never
(02:56):
really got a look, kept getting injured, and kind of
the fans were undeniable in their cheers for her, so
they had to like elevate her.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
That would be my interpretation. What's yours?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, she's also like very over the top, makes it
her own gear.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Oh yeah, she's the one that made her own stuff.
Huh yeah, with her pace on it. That was funny.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
She was like, I'm waiting for the perfect time in
that series, yeah, to wear this, and she had. Yeah,
she plays a villain for the most part, but people
like her so much. It's like back in the like
the uh NW days, like they made it to be
a bad group, but then they were just so cool
that everybody liked them.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So Mari Povich first, and then we're roll over to
Chelsea Green. Thank you guys for listening. You can watch
all these videos too up on the channel at Bobby
Bone's channel. They'll be separate videos, but you can check
those out.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And here we go. Hey, Maury, good to see you, Bobby,
nice to be with you.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Hey, I'm a massive fan for a long time, so
this is really cool for me. So I just want
to say that upfront, congratulations on the podcast. We were
talking about you before you came on, and I my
assumption is everywhere you go, people yell at you you
are not the father or something like that everywhere you go.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Or they want me to give them an autograph to
say they're not the father.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Oh you have to sign that.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Oh of course, you know. Hey, Jimmy, you are not
the father or you are the Father.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
That's funny when you were doing those episodes specifically, Yeah,
could you tell culturally that was cutting through at the time.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You know, I'd never thought about it, but uh, I uh.
When I used to go to events, it's amazing. My
wife Connie Chung, you know, and so we go to
these media parties and everybody would want to, you know,
surround Connie and talk to Connie. And if I wanted
(04:43):
to be noticed, I'd go to the kitchen and then
everybody in the kitchen knew who I was.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Then I knew then, I knew I was cutting through
to the real people.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Whenever I think about your history, you know, and I
think something that a lot of people maybe don't appreciate
now as much as they should is your history of
covering like some major events before we knew you in
daytime television. You know, I think about like Watergate, and sure,
and not to jump off it's something super serious now,
but you know, as Watergate was happening then, do you
(05:19):
are there parallels to now what's happening now with like
Epstein et cetera.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
No question, what it's all about is the abuse. Back then,
it was the abuse of Richard Nixon and all of
the underlings under him, Robert Haldeman and John Erlickman, the
chiefs of staff and the number one counselor, and all
these people played a role in Watergate, and now you're
(05:46):
and if you looked at those three people, Nixon, Erlickman,
and Haldeman, back then they were all angry looking people.
And my issue, one of my big issues is day
is so many people are angry. I mean, it doesn't
matter what where you are on the political spectrum. There's
(06:07):
just a lot of anger around, a lot of cynicism
and negativity, and you know, it's just it's just rough.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Do you find that there are parallels between And again,
I wasn't there for like Watergator for in the seventies,
for the protests in Vietnam? Because to me, this feels
like the worst time ever. Now as someone who covered
it as closely as you did, you were in it,
Are they similar?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Is it worse? Is it more toxic now?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Because of the ability to have social media and connect
with people.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
It's all about government abuse all right. Now. Back then
it was you know, solely in the White House, that's
where the abuse came. Now, I mean, you see it
a lot of places. I mean a lot of agencies.
I think when we all cut back on the uh,
the budgets of all these agencies where and people are
(07:04):
hurting and and the tariffs are hurting people, all kinds
of the deportation in a way is hating people hurting people.
And so it's more widespread now. Before it was kind
of contained. Uh, I don't think it's contained these days.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, the political environment is something that I get exhausted
just keeping up with.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
It's just terrible. I mean, uh, I mean, you feel
that you're drained by noon. If you're if you're looking
on you know, on on, not even social media, if
you're if you're reading newspapers online, if you're if you're
looking at CNN online, if you're looking at Fox online.
It doesn't matter, you're You're right, you're exhausted by noon.
(07:52):
And uh, I just uh, it's rough. I'll tell you
one thing. With me and my life, boy, we're not
We're glad we're not in that end of the business anymore.
And that's it's it's it's rough out there in media,
and it's rough, not only trying to cover things, but
(08:15):
I mean Unfortunately. I think there's been a tilt in
terms of opinion and news, and it's tough to separate
what is actual news and what his opinion.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, I feel like there was a journalistic standard at
some point that the word standard isn't that. That's not
even in our vocabulary anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's just can we get clicks with sensational headlines with
opinions or I should say, it doesn't seem to me
that there are standards of just presenting the news in
an unbiased way.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It's very tough. Look, my father was the sports columnist
of the Washington Post for seventy five years. I mean,
the Washington Post was like the Bible to us. I
read the Washington Post today and I got to think,
you know, that headline really wasn't, you know, objective, fair news,
that story. That story should have been analysis, it should
(09:09):
have been opinion. It shouldn't have been straight news, forward,
straightforward news. So at the New York Times, I questioned
them as well. I question everybody these days. It's very tough.
I'll tell you, Bobby, there's one area of news, and
you'll under the saying this because you work in local
(09:30):
stations around the country, local journalism is treated by the
community as a trustworthy enterprise. People trust local journalism. I
don't care if it's on TV or in their local newspapers.
People trust what is happening in local news in terms
(09:53):
of whether it was a fair coverage of a story.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And I agree with that for the most part, until
you get to like when these local TV stations are
bought by the same company and then you see they're
all being fed the same thing.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
To say, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
True if the parent company has has an acted the grind,
or the parent company has a particular formula that they
want every station to enact, that's different. But I look,
I worked at local stations all across the country in
the twenty five years before I ever did Current Affair
(10:26):
and the Talk show, and I've never ever had a
news director tell me how to cover a story.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I feel I shouldn't know who the SEC chairman is,
and I feel like I shouldn't know that they're political.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well they are.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I mean, it shouldn't be a thing that I should
know about. It should be such an a political position exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean, for the President of the United States to
mention yesterday the FCC, the head of the SEC when
he was berating an ABC reporter for asking a question.
I mean, really, I mean the FCC all my I mean,
in the sixty plus years I've been in this business,
(11:08):
they never had any kind of presence the way they
do now.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, I got fined a million bucks by the SEC once.
And not only that, it wasn't political. I don't even
know who the chairman was. And you're right, whenever the
FCC is like jumping in in lockstep with any with anyone,
it just feels like it's systematically against someone at all times.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And so it's a weird environment.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And again, I just respect where you come from because
with you, you know, Watergate, MLK, the assassination of MLK.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
How close were you to that?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Well, what I was close to were the the Aftermats
riots in Washington, DC and the way I saw our town.
I mean, look, I covered the anti Vietnam demonstrations in Washington,
and I've covered a lot of demonstrations in Washington. Never
(12:00):
saw riots, never saw whole blocks burned down. And that's
what happened after the Martin Luther King assassination. And the
interesting thing is one of the first stories I ever
did on radio when I was a radio reporter, was
his famous speech from the Lincoln Memorial. I was covering
(12:22):
it for a local radio station, and my job was
to cover all the way down at the end of
the mall as far away as you could. I had
to cover the counter demonstration by George Lincoln Rockwell in
this American Nazi party, all of which there were ten
demonstrators and fifty cops. And I could just hear King's
(12:43):
speech and the loud speakers all the way down at
the Lincoln Memorial. But at the aftermath of his assassination,
I mean, I mean they came so I mean they
came so quickly. I mean, King is assassinated in April,
Bobby Kennedy is assassinated in June. I mean reminded me
(13:06):
of Charlie Kirk, same thing. I mean, it's all of
this political heat boiling over, and that's what happens.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Do you feel like you've seen the cycle happen enough
times you can almost predict a cycle where it's a
pendulum and politically somebody comes in in the opposite and
then this happens, Because again I see similarities, but I don't.
I wasn't there at any point to see any sort
of cycle.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
It's there that we're talking about the nineteen sixties and
the nineteen seventies, where there was a lot of upheaval
starting with the assassination of John Kennedy in sixty three
all the way through Watergate in seventy four in Washington.
You covered those events. I mean that was a lifetime,
(13:52):
a lot of a lot of coverage today. I mean
it's similar. You're right, Bobby, it's similar. There was an
EBB and flow back then. In other words, there was
this event, then it was over. Then the riots were
there and that lasted for about a month, and then
(14:13):
it was calm, and then some other event came. Today,
it doesn't look like the meter ever goes down. Yeah,
I mean it's up all the time.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah, it's always hot.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
You mentioned your dad earlier in seventy five years, which
means he was embedded into sports. Did you get to
go to any iconic sporting events with your dad as
a child.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Oh? Yeah, I mean I kind of grew up at
his knee. It was in every press box that he
ever was in. I started as a sportscaster in nineteen
sixty two on radio, and I couldn't get it. I
wanted to write, but the Washington Post had a nepotism policy.
(14:54):
You couldn't if you were a member of the if
you remember the family, you couldn't get a job there.
So I kind of gravitated early when I was seventeen
eighteen into radio and television and then television. Yeah, we
were at boxing. We were at Sugar Ray Leonard and
Marvin Hagler fight championship fight in Vegas together. We were
(15:18):
at the famous, maybe the greatest fight of all time,
Muhammad Ali and Joe Frasier in Madison Square Garden, and
so there were several events we were at when I
did watch. I mean, he was really a great wordsmith,
and his closest buddy in covering sports was Red Smith,
(15:40):
the great columnist for the New York Times. And these
two guys would be the last guys in the press
box putting out their column for the next day. Every
light was dark except the light in the press box,
and they would they would be there and they're typing,
(16:02):
and you know, and they're old typewriters and as if
they were bleeding trying to get the right phraseology.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Did your dad ever not want you to do what
he did.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
One time, I did this show called A Current Affair.
It was the first big tabloid journalism show. And Tom
Shales was the media critic in the Washington Post and
he was a Pulitzer Prize winner, and so he wrote.
He wrote a brutal review of me and my show.
(16:33):
He used every s word in the world, smarmy, sordid, snarky,
you name it. So I called up my father and
I said, you know, Dad, don't show this to mom. Uh,
you know, this is really brutal. He just really took
me on. He said, oh, don't worry about son, just
go about your business. I said, well, you know, he says, well,
(16:54):
you know I helped to hire Tom Shales here at
the Washington Post. I said, yeah, Dad, but I'm your son.
He says, yeah, son, but good writers are hard to find. That,
I mean, that says it all about journalism and my father.
That was the most important thing in his life.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
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Speaker 3 (17:29):
But with your podcast, obviously you're talking to folks and
getting their stories.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
If you were to look back at your career.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Who are some of those folks that you talked to
that you you would get super excited to talk to.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Because it was it was rare air to be with
that person, You.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Know, Bobby, It's very interesting. I always fashioned myself as
a storyteller. It didn't matter at what role I was
having in my life, whether I was a straight news reporter,
news anchor, everything. I always felt myself as a story teller.
And I learned that from my father, and as I
moved through my career, I felt that every single story
(18:09):
on my show was unique. Even though I did thousands
of DNA tests and thousands of live detector tests, I
found that each story was unique, and so I treated
it that way. And I feel that that was the
connection that I was able to make. Look, I know
(18:31):
when I started to do my talk show, until I
ended these talk shows, that's thirty one years later, there
were seventy five talk shows in the cemetery that didn't work.
And I knew a talk show worked when a host
or hostess whatever could make a connection with that audience.
It was like it was like an election. It was
(18:52):
a campaign. You had to knock on a door, they
had to open it, They had to invite you in.
You had to become a member of their family. Only
the successful talk show hosts were.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Able to do that, to jump in front of the
camera full time. Was it someone that gave you that
push or was that just the next step?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Radio is a big part of your life. I will
tell you that. In nineteen sixty two, when I got
out of college and I wanted to get into the
business full time, I had been an assistant producer for
the radio television broadcasters from the Washington Senators baseball team.
I wanted to get into the business. You can't get
a job in the business unless you have experience. And
(19:33):
if you don't have experience, how do you get into
the business. So I got into the business as an
assistant publicity writer at a five thousand watt radio station,
and I hung around the newsroom to the fact that
the newsroom direct, the news director thought I was a
pest and made me a reporter. And to get into
television back then, there was no one in television back
(19:57):
then who had not been in radio. For think about that,
I mean everyone, I don't care whether you're in the
news business or you were in the everybody had to
be in radio first. In order to graduate to television.
So for me being in radio, the only first job
I ever got in television was the sport doing the
(20:20):
being a sportscaster on the ten o'clock news at the
now Fox station in Washington, DC. And that's how it
all started. And then within three months they wanted to
do this big three hour a day talk show way
before CNN, way before cable news. It was kind of
the news of the day, three for three hours a day,
and it was a three person anchor desk, and I
(20:43):
was the only and they looked around and the only
person who grew up in Washington was me, So I
was hired for that. So I was a sportscaster and
a talk show host within three months of nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Did it ever with your syndication and like your national Rea,
were there moments where like you thought it was over
but miraculously something happened Or was it just steady growth
the whole time?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
No, it was it was serendipity. I'm anchoring the local
newscast in Washington, d C for the now Fox station,
the ten o'clock news. All of a sudden, this crazy
Australian named Rupert Murdoch buys my station and the other
metro media station, and those become are the Fox O
(21:29):
and O's. This is before the Fox Network, way before
the Fox News Channel. This is what he had. I
get a call three a year later that he bought it.
In nineteen eighty six. I'm supposed to come to New
York see mister Murdoch. He wants to talk to me.
I had never met the man. I go to New York.
He looks at me and he says, I have this
(21:50):
idea for a show. I said, you know. He says,
it's called a Current Affair. It's going to be all
the stories that the regular network news departments won't air.
Those are the stories we're going to air. Rupert Murdoch
had this great ability to see an undeserved public, a
(22:11):
public that was underserved, and so he tapped into that,
and this tabloid news show became the biggest hit in
prime time access between seven o'clock and eight o'clock in
the country. And Murdoch and that I mean, he told me.
He says, well, if this show doesn't work out, you'll
(22:33):
go back to Washington. And meanwhile, you just got married.
You live in Washington. Your wife lives in New York.
Maybe you'll find out if you could live together.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
It seems though that is a bit what he did
again with this version, exactly Fox News.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
No question, Fox News. I mean, it was all Murdoch.
He saw an undeserved huge amount of the public that
he felt weren't getting what they wanted, and he gave
it to them. And he's still giving it to them.
And that's, you know, twenty five years later.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
How do you do have an interest in people?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I mean, I feel like you've talked with everybody about everything,
and yet here you are still doing it.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Well, I tell you, it's very interesting. Everybody says, you know,
you're well in your eighties, and I said, look, I'm
still curious. I'm still curious. I have a curiosity. I
want to know things. I want to find out things
about people. I mean, we're starting this second season on
this podcast. I had so much fun, Bobby, this is
(23:37):
the stretch of the people I had. Alice Myers, this
unbelievable content creator. Never heard of her in my life,
fascinating person who has all of these followers. I did
Leanne Morgan, Okay, you know, Leanne Morgan, I do yet
she's one of the biggest comedians going. She's sixty years
(23:59):
old from this little town in Tennessee. You ever watch
the show Billions?
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I know it well.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Wags of all the characters in Billions. Wags this guy
who's been playing these character actors in Breaking Bad and
in Better Call Saul, David Costable and so William H. Macy. Okay,
anybody's seen Fargo? Anybody seem shameless? William H. Macy is
(24:27):
a great story. I love this stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I love it. What do you find? The through line
is of very successful people.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think, more than anything else, when they lose, they
bounce back. The greatest fear anybody in my business would
ever have is being fired. I go to Los Angeles.
I'm the second banana to my wife, who's the big
star out in Los Angeles at the CBS station. I'm
hired by a guy. Six months later, he's gone. The
(24:58):
new general manager fires me. Eight months into my job.
I thought I was I thought I would die. I mean,
and then guess what I still have. I still have
all of my my digits. I have my legs, I
have my arms, I got my hands, you know. I
lie down on the couch I'm walking watching newscasts, and
(25:18):
I'm saying, you know, I think I'm just as good
as these guys. I I think so, and so I
end up three months later getting a job in San
Francisco at the ABC station. And so I think, with actors,
how about all the additions they lose, how about all
(25:39):
the auditions that they go to and they don't get it,
you know, and they keep going, they keep going. How
about al Pacino in the Godfather, when the guy didn't
even want him there, wanted to throw him out. Robert Evans,
the head of Paramount, wanted to throw him out, didn't
want Coppola to getting koppel insisted. I just think, even
(26:06):
even when others kind of bitch and moan about you
and criticize you, I've always, for some reason, it's always
kind of washed off my back.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
In season one, you did Pablo Torre, who I'm a
big fan of.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Because here you are.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, he and I thought the episode was great, and
he is an investigative journalist, like he's old school but
young in new school.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
What did you like about him?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
First of all, he's so smart, and I also feel
honored because he said to me, he says, you've been
in this business. What is going to happen? Because I'm
getting a lot of blowback, and I said, well, here's
what's going to happen, Pablo. The NFL is going to
get on you, and and the problem is that, I mean,
(26:54):
the NBA is going to get on you. The problem
the NBA is going to get on you. And the
problem is are you going to lose your sources? And
the key is obviously you had sources who were executives,
if not owners of NBA teams. You can't allow those
sources to dry up just because you're being called out
(27:18):
by a lot of people. And secondly, I know if
the NBA is going to have an investigation, that law
firm is going to be calling you and they're going
to be asking you, you know what. As a journalist,
they're going to want to know who your sources are.
And you always have to protect your sources. So we've
(27:41):
had a back and forth for many months now. I
just I have so much fun with him. Do you
know what he and I did that you might not
know about? You know who Nick Cannon is.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I do know Nick Cannon, but I don't know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Nick Cannon has a podcast. It's called We Plan Spades,
and we played spades. Pablo Tory and I played spades
against Nick Cannon and his co host and we beat
the hell out of him.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
That's funny. You go to his house and take his Yeah,
that's good.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It was great, and Pablo was great. Connie and I
just did a just did another episode of Pablo. I mean,
I've I've been on Pablo's podcast maybe two or three
times now. And Connie loves him. Connie loves him because
he's smart. And he went to Harvard.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I know a golfer when I see one. Mostly I
saw your foot Joy. I saw your FJ Yeah yeah,
as a golfer myself, I spotted him out really yeah yeah,
oh you're a big golfer.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I am all right. Did you play today?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
How'd you know? I did?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I saw the foot Joy.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I walked in to be with you in a half
hour before I just finished up.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
So what do you play? Do you play nine eighteen
a day? Do you live on a course?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
No, I don't live on a course, but I live
like I'm in Florida these days. I left twenty minutes away.
My wife always says to me, I don't understand it, Maury.
You go find a golf club and then we have
to find a house. I mean, why is it that way?
I mean, so we spend some of the winter in Florida,
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and I belong to a course here. We've been living
in Montana for the last twenty six years. Twenty eight years. Actually,
I have two little courses there I play. I have
a course in New York because we still have a
place in New York. So I mean, I never played
golf till I was thirty. I never had a lesson
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until I was fifty. My wife researched it at fifty.
As a birthday present, she gave me this coach teacher.
His name is Peter Costas. He used to be on
the CBS golf broadcast for thirty years. He's a great teacher.
And my wife says, well, this guy is like the
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golf god. And so now for the last thirty six years,
I've been following Peter all around the country, and she
calls him the golf devil.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
How many hole on ones.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I've had two? Man, I never had one until I
was maybe, oh maybe fifty five or sixty.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Tell me about the first one.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
It was at Hollywood Golf Club in Deal, New Jersey,
a great old course, the Walla Travis Courts. His signature
hole is this short par three uphill, all surrounded by
by bunkers, and it's just one hundred and fifty yards.
And I was a member there for twenty five years.
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And I just hit this shot. And the good news
was that we had a foursome, a forceome up on
the green was letting us play through. So they were
like eight or wow wow yeah, And so I never
saw the ball go in the hole. And before that
I always said Ben Hogan never had a hole in
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one competitively, and his excuse was that he said he
never aimed at the pin, and so I was using
that excuse until, of course I made a hole in one.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
What's your handicap?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well, I'm very upset. My handicap now is five point five.
It was six months ago it was three point five.
So now you see how upset I am about life.
I mean I've been I've been scratched once in my life.
I played Costas got me so good that I played.
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I qualified for the United States Senior Amateur. I made
match play in the United States Senior Amateur I played
the three British Senior Ameters. I was really good when
I was about fifty five to sixty. Ever since then,
it's just moving up a tee.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
If you're if you're a five handicapped Morey, that's pretty
freaking good.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
That that's that's really awesome.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Well, I don't want to keep you any longer, but
I am a massive fan of like the different version,
like the different I feel like you had different sections
of your life that all were very instrumental in different ways,
and I think that that's what I'm a fan of,
of the different ways that you were able to a
make a difference or be cut through and sometimes at
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the same time. But even like you're talking about even
with like your your talk show, like you were cutting
through and you were doing in my opinion, with that
show what you talked about was happening with the idea
of a current affair or Fox News like you were
doing that. You were finding the underserved and actually giving
them something they could relate to.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
You.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Do you think that's that's correct?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
You know, I never thought of it that way, but
you're right, I mean, and I you know, I'm kind
of proud of that. I mean, I. I mean even today,
it doesn't matter I see a caddy. Oh, I grew
up watching you. I mean, in fact, I have a
great caddy story in terms of the show. So a
friend of mine said that he was he always hung
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out in the caddy shack where the caddies at the
golf course, and there was always a TV on, and
he's just listening and one caddy sand or the other.
You ever had that situation where somebody accuse you of
being the daddy and their kid and the guy says, oh, yeah,
yeah all the time. He says, well, what do you say?
He says, I tell him all the same thing. I
ain't the daddy till Maury tells me I'm not.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Okay, I'm going to let you go.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
But oh so I'm about to have my first child.
My wife is pregnant.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Oh wow, boy, here we go.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, yes, I have to. I wasn't gonna do it,
but I have to do it. So I am the father.
So do you mind, Mary?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Oh yeah, but but do we have a name.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
We don't have a name or agender yet.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Okay, Bobby, in the case of your little baby, you
are the father.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Yes, yes, it's me.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
All right, Maury, I love your podcast again, I love
the history of Maury and hope everybody checks out on
par with Maury Povitch. Season two is coming out, but
go look, go go listen to season one. I know
season two is coming out, but I want to encourage everybody.
You had some really great guests in season one. I
was a specially Lewis Black and Pabulatry were two that
I really loved, and so thank you for your time,
and I hope, I hope you have a great rest.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Of By the ways, Lewis Black addicted golfer, Yeah, addicted.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
You can always you can tell.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
It's a look we have, Maury, it's a look we have.
Have a great rest of the day, and hopefully we'll
cross paths sometimes.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Bye, Maury, appreciate it. Bye bye.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
All right.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
We're gonna go now to WWE Superstar Chelsea Green, which
if you watch the Netflix series on the WWE, which
was kind of that docu series, that's where I really
became a fan of her. I already knew her from wrestling,
but I just knew her as somebody who had a
big personality and was kind of the villain.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
It was somebody who lost all the time.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
They kind of just set her up to be big
and then to get beat up and now not so much.
Because while we're talking to her, she's holding two massive
championship belts and I felt like they were a bit heavy. Yeah,
I felt like she wanted to put them down, but
she was like, I'm not putting these championship belts down.
WrestleMania forty two tickets are up now WrestleMania Saturday, April
eighteenth and nineteenth in Las Vegas, and go over and
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get the tickets. They went on sale a few days ago,
but you can get your tickets now. But here she is.
Follow her if you want to see what she looks like,
just go to Instagram. Chelsea Green but a big fan.
Here she is Chelsea Green. What belt is one of
those attag team?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Which one is that?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
This is oh wait no, this is a tag team
and this is the United States Women's Championship belt.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Do you carry those with you everywhere you go?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
How do you get them through the I mean I'd
be afraid that, like one of the screeners at the
airport would be like wanting to wear it and take
a picture.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
With it or something.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, they do.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I love it, Like do you You don't check it though?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
You take it? You carry it on.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I carry it on because God forbid, Yeah, God forbid
it goes missing.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Can you imagine what's the role on if you are
the champion and I've seen how they remove the names
on the sides of the belts, right like it's like
a ceremony.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeap, the name plates are here.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
So you don't get to ever keep the belt. Can
you ask for a replica belt if you've been the
champion and then it's gone.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I've got We've got all of our
replica belts. Some of the replica belts will actually come
from the WWE shop and are they're sold and they
are amazing. And then others we actually get made from
the belt maker, the original belt maker.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I think that would be cool to have those. I
have a belt. It's obviously I didn't wrestle. Well, I
did the Major League Baseball Celebrity Softball Game and I
was MVP, and they gave me a WWE belt and
on the sides it has the specific event and so
I have that out, but I think that would be
so cool to have like all the belts from all
the championships that you've won.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
No, it's so cool. And I actually so I just
won this. Wait this, man, this has really screwing me
up here having two belts. I just won this one
for the second time. And I texted my husband. I'm like, like,
what's the rule here? Do I have to buy another belt?
Or like how did this work?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I never expected this.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yes, I think you need a second one. So I'm
a big fan for a lot of reasons. And I think,
to me, what I thought was really cool about you
was how much Netflix showed like your work ethic whenever
they did the series, Like, aside from your athleticism and
your background or how great of a wrestler you are,
I think it showed why people root for you. How
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did you feel about once you saw what they edited,
and how'd you feel about what was aired?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
So when they called me, I'll never forget I was
in the Salt Lake City airport. They called me and
asked me if I wanted to do it, and I
was like, look, I will absolutely do it, but I'm
not going to edit myself, like, you guys need to
edit me, because if you want me for the reasons
I think you want me, which is my openness, my candidness,
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my willing to just you know, talk about like whatever.
I'm not afraid, as my fans know, like I'm not
afraid to say how I feel. I was like, you
guys are gonna have to edit me. They said, no problem,
We're not going to hold anything against you whatever. I
film for months on end and then I forget about it,
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and then it airs and I was sitting on a
plane next to bron Breaker and I saw him watching it,
and I was like, oh, I just can't do it,
Like it's so cringey to watch myself. And I don't
ever want to change who I am. I am because
I've seen myself and I gave myself the ick because
I've done that before. And it's the same reason why
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I don't watch myself wrestle. I don't watch myself do
promos like I just I like how I am on
camera and how people perceive me. I don't want to
change myself because I'm judging myself. And then I started
doing media and I realized really quick, if I don't
watch this episode of myself. I'm not going to know
what I'm talking about. And so I watched it, and
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I was so pleasantly surprised. I felt like, besides the
fact that it could have been so much longer, that
you know, we had months of footage and months of
just like other stories that we could have put in
that episode. I thought it was totally me. It was
the relationships I have with everyone. It's everyone, you know,
talking shit to each other, and like nobody has to
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be serious around me. Everyone can say what they want.
And my family was there and you know, showing kind
of the I mean a little bit of the trials
and tribulations we go through as wrestlers, and my story.
It was just, yeah, it was really cool. They did
a great job. It's like they know what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
I think the thing that made me like it for
you the most was it made you likable because of
the hard work that obviously you've put in all the
injuries setbacks, and not only that that, like how your
performance and the crowd reacting to it is really what
put you over more so than it seemed like just
a person going I now, deem you to be the one.
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It was like the people were able to do that
for you.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
It's funny because I worked so hard for the past
almost twelve years to get to WWE. Now that I'm here,
I realize, thank god I didn't get here in twenty fourteen.
Thank god it took me this long, because that is
why the fans are behind me. They know my story.
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They followed me getting fired multiple times. They followed me,
you know, not winning tough enough. They followed me when
I was on the independent scene and struggling and trying
to come up with these characters or at TNA as
the hot mess, and that is why they want so
badly to see me climb this ladder because I'm not
the chosen one, and it's very obvious I'm not the
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chosen one, and I like that for me, but for
years I wanted so badly for that to be me.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I have friends that are massive country stars now and
they will talk about specifically shows where they played for
six people, and it's crazy to even watch the videos
because now they've played to arenas or stadiums. When you
were wrestling independent, Are there any shows you can think
of where there were you know, seven, ten twenty people
in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Okay, there's a show. There's a show in Calgary, Alberta
kind of in a rough part of town in Calgary,
and Mike, Calgarians will know. It's in the northeast.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
They know.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
And a guy, an old old man, was wrestling before me,
and I was watching and I saw his old wrinklely
balls come out of his trunks, and that was a
moment that I thought, what in the hell am I
doing here? I don't belong here. I'm too good for this.
Get me out of here. And that's something that I will,
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you know, take with me forever. When I go out
there on you know, on a WrestleMania stage, or I
fall off that ladder at money at the bank, I
think about that man's that man's old wrinkly balls.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, wrinkly scrout, I'm gonna do it. It really change
your perspective on where you are in life. So athletically,
there are stories of like Lebron or you know, even
some guys that I work with that are athletes that
invest a lot of money into their body because that's
their tool. Like, so what are you what are you
doing like physically to make sure you stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
So I've been really I've been obsessed with personal training, diet, exercise,
all that stuff since I was probably fourteen, and then
I went to school University of Calgary for kinesiology, So
that's kind of ingrained in me. No matter what, I'm
always going to be a somewhat healthy eater. I'm always
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gonna work out for my mental health. It's second nature
to me. But I think what I've learned being on
the road so much in the past three years. You know,
I have not been home this month. I've been on
the road, and as any WWE fan knows, we don't
have an off season the way that the NFL, the MLB,
you know, the NHL, whatever have We don't have. That
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routine is really important and I've learned to find that
in traveling. I've learned to find, you know, a routine
when I get to my hotel room, a good sleep
pattern if I can find one, and just those things
the comforts of home while I'm on the road that
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make me feel grounded, well rested, and just keep me
sane because it's tough, you know, being away from your
own shower and your own bed, and your family and
your friends and still looking the way that people expect
you to look. Performing at a very very high level.
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It's hard. It is very hard.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I'm going a walk in boot now and I've been
on a scooter the last couple of weeks because that
ankle surgery and a little bit of that's mess with
my mind because I am a pretty active person. Like mentally,
it starts to like affect me to the point where
it's like, man, am I starting to get depressed because
I can't do anything except lay in the bed. But
you've been through so many injuries, and when that is
your job, Like, was it your mental health? Did you
have to really was that a struggle for you?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I mean, yeah, of course, especially especially when it comes
to injuries. I mean, look at mental health. It's going
to be a struggle no matter what. And then it's
going to be a struggle when you're sleep deprived, or
when you haven't eaten enough, or when the pressures of
show business are put on you. But it's really tough
as an athlete when the thing that you love the
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most is kind of ripped out from underneath you. And
usually as a wrestler, it's not in this amazing fashion.
It's something really crazy, like tripping and falling or like
you know, we fall on our butt and we break
our wrist, which I've done three times. It's not in
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this glorious fashion of you know, I fell off a
twenty foot ladder through a blaming table and everyone was
cheering and I broke something. That's not how it happens.
It's always the simplest of things. When I had my
first injury, it was in India and I broke my
collarbone mid match and I actually had to get airlifted
to a hospital in India and receive treatment there. I
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went through surgery in India. That was crazy, you know,
But again I was on the Indies. I was able
to go home. It wasn't not tough on my mental health.
It was tough when I had my first injury in
WWE because it was on live TV. It happened, and
then I was off live TV and my dream was
kind of ripped away from me. And that happened again
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when I had my SmackDown debut. I broke my wrist
on live television just before I was about to qualify
for a Survivor series. And you know, seeing this amazing
road in front of you, you know, I'm going to
do all these things. I'm debuting, I'm going to be
a star, I'm going to get a raise, I'm going
to be on WrestleMania. I'm going to be the next
John Cena. And then all of a sudden, you're stuck
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at home for six to twelve weeks and you're not
doing anything. You're not going to work, you're not filling
your cup with you know, doing media or getting hair
and makeup done, or doing any of those things that
you have been doing every single day for weeks on end.
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It's really really tough. But I learned with my last
broken arm that if you don't have hobbies and things
outside of this that you love, whether you're injured or not,
you're going to go insane. Because this doesn't last forever.
This is show business, and show business is so cutthroat.
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You need to have other things that fill your cup
and that make you whole and that keep you happy.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
You know, growing up and you're doing theater and you
you have training and dance and anything creative or anything athletic, like,
not a lot of stability there, even speaking for myself
doing stand up or doing or whatever whatever it is,
they're just not stability. So what is like your family,
your parents, What do they think when you say, hey,
I want to pursue this career with no stability whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Well, first of all, my parents, my whole family is
very They're like very put together, like, for lack of
better words, posh. Like you know, my dad is an
investment advisor in Canada. My mom works or worked, she
just retired at a very beautiful boarding school. My grandma
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is a posh British woman. They thought I was insane.
They thought it was absolutely crazy, it was low brow,
it was not what they ever expected me to do.
But I think now they realize this is exactly what
I was born to do. And you know, it was
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rough when I was on the independent scene wrestling for
ten people and not making money and struggling and all that,
when I really did have all the options in the
world and I was able to go to school and
things like that. Now, of course, I'm twelve years into wrestling,
and you know, I'm building my dream home, and I'm married,
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and I have all these dogs and cats, and I'm
able to I'm able to treat them to things that
they never expected I'd be able to treat them too,
like those are the moments where it's all worth it.
But it took a while. It took a while, and
my grandma admits all the time that she was so
embarrassed to tell her friends at morning coffee that her
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granddaughter was a professional wrestler.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
That's funny.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,
and we're back on the Bobby cast.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Dancing with the Stars has crushed and ratings in the
past like unprecedented, and you have a dance background, would
you ever do a show like that?
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I am so glad that you just asked me that
I am. I feel like maybe we're on the same
wavelength today. And that's crazy because I have been for
the past six months pestering the hell out of Dancing
with the Stars and out of our talent relations team.
They hear from me every single Friday, whether it's in
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person or by text. Did Dancing with the Stars call yet?
Have you asked Dancing with the Stars?
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, I know the producers of Dancing with the Stars.
I've spoken to Nikki Bella, I've spoken to the Miz.
I am planting those seeds. I am watering those seeds.
I am fertilizing those seeds. I will be on Dancing
with the Stars. It's just a matter of time.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Okay, So if you really so, I won the show
a few years ago, like I won the Mirror Ball,
and I know if you want, I know the head
of casting, I can literally Dina. I can just text her.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I didn't want to say her name, but oh, I
know Dina.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
I will text her and just put in a good
word and be like, hey, I was talking to Chelsea Green, like,
I think she would be awesome for the show. If
that's not like overstepping. Would you mind if I did that?
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Would I mind? I would pay you. Let me give
me your zell. I'll zeld your money to do no.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
I'll seriously, I think you'd be so great on it,
and there hasn't been a professional wrestler on it, and
I think it would be the first. I think I
think it'd be fair because again, you're so performative in
your wrestling, and obviously you have a background. I think
you will be so good on that show. And before
you came on, because that show is ending and it's
been a little controversial for me this year, but I
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wanted a few years back, and I was like, I
think she'd be great. So I will text her and
just just put you from another side. I will say,
I think Chelsea Green would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
This is I knew there was a reason I woke
up early today. This was it.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
How are you how physically? How are you feeling right now?
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Exhausted, Absolutely exhausted. But I mean I dreamt of the
day I was going to be absolutely exhausted from wrestling,
and so it's it's a really good feeling to wake
up being exhausted because I'm doing every single thing I
ever dreamt of.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
When you talk about WrestleMania, we're talking about WrestleMania. Before
you came on, we were talking about tickets going on
so and even behind you it says WrestleMania Vegas. I
mean that's that's super Bowl type stuff, like leading up
to it, like being there, Like what's the vibe like
at WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
I mean, I don't think there's anything like it. We
always compare it to the super Bowl and you know,
like the pinnacle of every other sports thing. But I
don't think there's anything like WrestleMania. Because we've now not
only is it, you know, two days obviously this year
it's going to be April eighteenth and nineteenth, but it's
a whole week of just everyone being engulfed in all
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things professional wrestling. And what I love about WrestleMania Week
is it's now transcended just WWE. The entire wrestling community
bases their year around this week, and so I personally
get to see all my friends from other companies and everyone.
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I mean, I don't get to see raw talent, I
don't get to see Maxine Duprix all the time. So
of course we get to spend the whole week together,
and we get to go to the Superstore and now
my hat is going to be in the Superstore this year.
And I get to meet all the fans that I've
been kind of connecting with online through Twitter and through
Instagram all year, and we get to, you know, just
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like have those one on one moments that I personally
think make or break a fans relationship with the sport
of professional wrestling, because they all just want they just
want to tell you how much they love this. And
so to be able to stand in a meet and
greet line or a photo op line and have them
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tell me that it's just like the coolest thing ever.
It really is. It's my favorite week of the year
besides Christmas.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
I have three very quick, super cliche wrestling questions to
ask because I'd be remiss if I didn't just ask
these questions. Who's your favorite wrestler of all time?
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Kelly Kelly?
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (53:46):
Secondly, what's your favorite match that you lost?
Speaker 2 (53:50):
First of all, I don't know if you know me,
but I've lost every match ever my mom basically a
losing streak. I don't know how I hold these championships,
but it's something has gone seriously wrong in the back
for me to even have these titles. But I digress.
I would say the money in the Bank match, where
I knew Tiffy was winning. I knew how big that
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was going to be for her. I love her, and
I knew that, besides her winning, me being push off
that ladder was going to be the most viral thing
on that show.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
So that was exciting to you because you knew, even
though you were losing, you coming off the ladder was
going to be what popped.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
And it was going to be in the most glorious
fashion that Tiffy was going to be able to grab
that briefcase after pushing me off the ladder. I knew
that the crowd was going to be split between Tiffany
and myself, and I had already decided I was going
to do that stunt. I was dying on that hill.
They tried to say, I don't think you should do it,
it's unsafe. I said, I'm doing it. The producers were
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incredible about pushing and saying like, she's gonna do it.
Whether you want her to do or not, She's going
to do it. And I made sure that that was
the last thing that those fans saw before she got
the briefcase, because you know, when you're building a match,
it has to go like uh uh ah like that,
and if you don't have that, you've done something wrong.
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And so I knew that that was the best thing
for right before the biggest pop of the night, which
was Tiffany winning the briefcase.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Final question, super cliche question, what do you think Jen
pop doesn't know about what you do?
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I just think that they don't understand. I think this
whole F word, the word fake has been thrown around
since the early two thousands, that they don't understand how
real it is. I did stunts for movies. This is
I don't have patting. I'm not rigged up. I am
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doing these stunts on my own. I am landing on
my spine, on my back, on my tailbone, on you
know I'm I'm doing. These are all real, real, live
stunts in front of twenty thousand people every week, multiple
times a week. And I wish that instead of saying
is it fake, they would ask me how bad it hurts?
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Well, big fan, thank you for the time. And I
will text Dina as soon as we're done, and that
would be super cool. I would love to see on
the show because it's so much fun. And I and.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Then will you come and dance with me on the
dance that you have?
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Oh you don't want someone come back?
Speaker 4 (56:30):
You don't want that. I want.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
I literally was like everybody's favorite. But I had no
dance experience.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
So I love that.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
If there's a time, if you're on and it's hey,
bring someone on. But if I don't make or break
your dance, but I'm just like a part of it,
I will do it. But I would not trust to
you in my hands because you'll hurt something again. And
I would feel terrible for that reason, but I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
That I just know that my arm is now metal.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Okay, Chelsea, thank you for the time, have a great
rest of the day, and hopefully I'll see you soon.
Speaker 5 (56:59):
Thank you you all right, Chelsea, thanks for listening to
a Bobby Cast production.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Mm hmm
Bobby. In the case of your little baby, you are
the father.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Guess yes, it's me.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Episode five sixty. We're doubling up, double up.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Uh uh. Maury Povich.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
We'll talk to him for half hour and then we'll
get over to Chelsea Green after that. I can kind
of tell you a bit about both, but I'll do
Maury first. I mean, Maury was what would be on
all the time if you happen to be at home
in the daytime on a weekday when you were a kid.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, I was a kid.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I didn't know what was going on, but I watched it.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, for the most part, about thirty percent I had
no clue. Twenty percent I thought was kind of bad.
I was like, oh, I shouldn't be watching this, And
the other fifty percent I got. But yeah, it was
interesting because he was one of those that was kind
of like the heyday of daytime talk where it was
obviously Oprah and then she kind of elevated, and back
in the day it was Phil Donna who way back
(01:00):
in the day, Sally Jesse, Maury, Ricky Lake, like, there
were like seven or eight of those guys. Jerry Springer
ended up coming about it was the golden age of
those daytime sit down in the studio talk shows that
ended up just getting big ratings because they would do
things like You're Not Father. That's what Maury now has
(01:21):
known most for because the clips are going viral again
and then people are also like recreating them. And so
I can read you a little bit about this because
I really loved talking with Maury. I don't know he
was eighty years old. Yeah, he's with it. He's one
of the most with it eighty year olds I think
I've ever talked to. Because we were talking with him
and before we started, I was like, oh, man, this
is gonna be cool because Maury is like a big
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part of my television childhood viewing, and he's pop culture,
big part of pop culture.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
But I was like, guy, it's kind of old.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
May have to like help him through it. Didn't have
to help him through it at all. He was even
dressed in golf gear as we were doing the interviews,
so you knew he had been out on the course
before that. So Maury Povich, the King of talked TV,
is back. He's got on par with Maury Povich Podcast
season two and you can check it out. He has
such a history in journalism his dad, and he talks
(02:12):
about this was the Washington Post for seventy five years.
And then Maury ends up, you know, being really serious
in journalism, like he covered from Martin Luther King that
that I had a dream speech to Nixon too.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I mean, he had done it all before.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
He had just kind of backed into doing daytime television.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
And we talked about that story. But Early enjoyed this.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So we're gonna get to Maury and then after that
we'll talk to Chelsea Green, who is if you watch
the Netflix series what was that even called if Unreal? Yeah,
it's where they showed you behind the scenes. I feel
like that really made Chelsea Green look relatable and like normal, right,
that's all I became a fan, Yeah, because it was
just somebody who worked hard, did everything they asked, never
(02:56):
really got a look, kept getting injured, and kind of
the fans were undeniable in their cheers for her, so
they had to like elevate her.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
That would be my interpretation. What's yours?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, she's also like very over the top, makes it
her own gear.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Oh yeah, she's the one that made her own stuff.
Huh yeah, with her pace on it. That was funny.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
She was like, I'm waiting for the perfect time in
that series, yeah, to wear this, and she had. Yeah,
she plays a villain for the most part, but people
like her so much. It's like back in the like
the uh NW days, like they made it to be
a bad group, but then they were just so cool
that everybody liked them.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
So Mari Povich first, and then we're roll over to
Chelsea Green. Thank you guys for listening. You can watch
all these videos too up on the channel at Bobby
Bone's channel. They'll be separate videos, but you can check
those out.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And here we go. Hey, Maury, good to see you, Bobby,
nice to be with you.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Hey, I'm a massive fan for a long time, so
this is really cool for me. So I just want
to say that upfront, congratulations on the podcast. We were
talking about you before you came on, and I my
assumption is everywhere you go, people yell at you you
are not the father or something like that everywhere you go.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Or they want me to give them an autograph to
say they're not the father.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Oh you have to sign that.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Oh of course, you know. Hey, Jimmy, you are not
the father or you are the Father.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
That's funny when you were doing those episodes specifically, Yeah,
could you tell culturally that was cutting through at the time.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
You know, I'd never thought about it, but uh, I uh.
When I used to go to events, it's amazing. My
wife Connie Chung, you know, and so we go to
these media parties and everybody would want to, you know,
surround Connie and talk to Connie. And if I wanted
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to be noticed, I'd go to the kitchen and then
everybody in the kitchen knew who I was.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Then I knew then, I knew I was cutting through
to the real people.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Whenever I think about your history, you know, and I
think something that a lot of people maybe don't appreciate
now as much as they should is your history of
covering like some major events before we knew you in
daytime television. You know, I think about like Watergate, and sure,
and not to jump off it's something super serious now,
but you know, as Watergate was happening then, do you
(05:19):
are there parallels to now what's happening now with like
Epstein et cetera.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
No question, what it's all about is the abuse. Back then,
it was the abuse of Richard Nixon and all of
the underlings under him, Robert Haldeman and John Erlickman, the
chiefs of staff and the number one counselor, and all
these people played a role in Watergate, and now you're
(05:46):
and if you looked at those three people, Nixon, Erlickman,
and Haldeman, back then they were all angry looking people.
And my issue, one of my big issues is day
is so many people are angry. I mean, it doesn't
matter what where you are on the political spectrum. There's
(06:07):
just a lot of anger around, a lot of cynicism
and negativity, and you know, it's just it's just rough.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Do you find that there are parallels between And again,
I wasn't there for like Watergator for in the seventies,
for the protests in Vietnam? Because to me, this feels
like the worst time ever. Now as someone who covered
it as closely as you did, you were in it,
Are they similar?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Is it worse? Is it more toxic now?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Because of the ability to have social media and connect
with people.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
It's all about government abuse all right. Now. Back then
it was you know, solely in the White House, that's
where the abuse came. Now, I mean, you see it
a lot of places. I mean a lot of agencies.
I think when we all cut back on the uh,
the budgets of all these agencies where and people are
(07:04):
hurting and and the tariffs are hurting people, all kinds
of the deportation in a way is hating people hurting people.
And so it's more widespread now. Before it was kind
of contained. Uh, I don't think it's contained these days.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, the political environment is something that I get exhausted
just keeping up with.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
It's just terrible. I mean, uh, I mean, you feel
that you're drained by noon. If you're if you're looking
on you know, on on, not even social media, if
you're if you're reading newspapers online, if you're if you're
looking at CNN online, if you're looking at Fox online.
It doesn't matter, you're You're right, you're exhausted by noon.
(07:52):
And uh, I just uh, it's rough. I'll tell you
one thing. With me and my life, boy, we're not
We're glad we're not in that end of the business anymore.
And that's it's it's it's rough out there in media,
and it's rough, not only trying to cover things, but
(08:15):
I mean Unfortunately. I think there's been a tilt in
terms of opinion and news, and it's tough to separate
what is actual news and what his opinion.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, I feel like there was a journalistic standard at
some point that the word standard isn't that. That's not
even in our vocabulary anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
It's just can we get clicks with sensational headlines with
opinions or I should say, it doesn't seem to me
that there are standards of just presenting the news in
an unbiased way.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It's very tough. Look, my father was the sports columnist
of the Washington Post for seventy five years. I mean,
the Washington Post was like the Bible to us. I
read the Washington Post today and I got to think,
you know, that headline really wasn't, you know, objective, fair news,
that story. That story should have been analysis, it should
(09:09):
have been opinion. It shouldn't have been straight news, forward,
straightforward news. So at the New York Times, I questioned
them as well. I question everybody these days. It's very tough.
I'll tell you, Bobby, there's one area of news, and
you'll under the saying this because you work in local
(09:30):
stations around the country, local journalism is treated by the
community as a trustworthy enterprise. People trust local journalism. I
don't care if it's on TV or in their local newspapers.
People trust what is happening in local news in terms
(09:53):
of whether it was a fair coverage of a story.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And I agree with that for the most part, until
you get to like when these local TV stations are
bought by the same company and then you see they're
all being fed the same thing.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
To say, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
True if the parent company has has an acted the grind,
or the parent company has a particular formula that they
want every station to enact, that's different. But I look,
I worked at local stations all across the country in
the twenty five years before I ever did Current Affair
(10:26):
and the Talk show, and I've never ever had a
news director tell me how to cover a story.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I feel I shouldn't know who the SEC chairman is,
and I feel like I shouldn't know that they're political.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well they are.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I mean, it shouldn't be a thing that I should
know about. It should be such an a political position exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean, for the President of the United States to
mention yesterday the FCC, the head of the SEC when
he was berating an ABC reporter for asking a question.
I mean, really, I mean the FCC all my I mean,
in the sixty plus years I've been in this business,
(11:08):
they never had any kind of presence the way they
do now.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, I got fined a million bucks by the SEC once.
And not only that, it wasn't political. I don't even
know who the chairman was. And you're right, whenever the
FCC is like jumping in in lockstep with any with anyone,
it just feels like it's systematically against someone at all times.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And so it's a weird environment.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And again, I just respect where you come from because
with you, you know, Watergate, MLK, the assassination of MLK.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
How close were you to that?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Well, what I was close to were the the Aftermats
riots in Washington, DC and the way I saw our town.
I mean, look, I covered the anti Vietnam demonstrations in Washington,
and I've covered a lot of demonstrations in Washington. Never
(12:00):
saw riots, never saw whole blocks burned down. And that's
what happened after the Martin Luther King assassination. And the
interesting thing is one of the first stories I ever
did on radio when I was a radio reporter, was
his famous speech from the Lincoln Memorial. I was covering
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it for a local radio station, and my job was
to cover all the way down at the end of
the mall as far away as you could. I had
to cover the counter demonstration by George Lincoln Rockwell in
this American Nazi party, all of which there were ten
demonstrators and fifty cops. And I could just hear King's
(12:43):
speech and the loud speakers all the way down at
the Lincoln Memorial. But at the aftermath of his assassination,
I mean, I mean they came so I mean they
came so quickly. I mean, King is assassinated in April,
Bobby Kennedy is assassinated in June. I mean reminded me
(13:06):
of Charlie Kirk, same thing. I mean, it's all of
this political heat boiling over, and that's what happens.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Do you feel like you've seen the cycle happen enough
times you can almost predict a cycle where it's a
pendulum and politically somebody comes in in the opposite and
then this happens, Because again I see similarities, but I don't.
I wasn't there at any point to see any sort
of cycle.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
It's there that we're talking about the nineteen sixties and
the nineteen seventies, where there was a lot of upheaval
starting with the assassination of John Kennedy in sixty three
all the way through Watergate in seventy four in Washington.
You covered those events. I mean that was a lifetime,
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a lot of a lot of coverage today. I mean
it's similar. You're right, Bobby, it's similar. There was an
EBB and flow back then. In other words, there was
this event, then it was over. Then the riots were
there and that lasted for about a month, and then
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it was calm, and then some other event came. Today,
it doesn't look like the meter ever goes down. Yeah,
I mean it's up all the time.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah, it's always hot.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
You mentioned your dad earlier in seventy five years, which
means he was embedded into sports. Did you get to
go to any iconic sporting events with your dad as
a child.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Oh? Yeah, I mean I kind of grew up at
his knee. It was in every press box that he
ever was in. I started as a sportscaster in nineteen
sixty two on radio, and I couldn't get it. I
wanted to write, but the Washington Post had a nepotism policy.
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You couldn't if you were a member of the if
you remember the family, you couldn't get a job there.
So I kind of gravitated early when I was seventeen
eighteen into radio and television and then television. Yeah, we
were at boxing. We were at Sugar Ray Leonard and
Marvin Hagler fight championship fight in Vegas together. We were
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at the famous, maybe the greatest fight of all time,
Muhammad Ali and Joe Frasier in Madison Square Garden, and
so there were several events we were at when I
did watch. I mean, he was really a great wordsmith,
and his closest buddy in covering sports was Red Smith,
(15:40):
the great columnist for the New York Times. And these
two guys would be the last guys in the press
box putting out their column for the next day. Every
light was dark except the light in the press box,
and they would they would be there and they're typing,
(16:02):
and you know, and they're old typewriters and as if
they were bleeding trying to get the right phraseology.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Did your dad ever not want you to do what
he did.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
One time, I did this show called A Current Affair.
It was the first big tabloid journalism show. And Tom
Shales was the media critic in the Washington Post and
he was a Pulitzer Prize winner, and so he wrote.
He wrote a brutal review of me and my show.
(16:33):
He used every s word in the world, smarmy, sordid, snarky,
you name it. So I called up my father and
I said, you know, Dad, don't show this to mom. Uh,
you know, this is really brutal. He just really took
me on. He said, oh, don't worry about son, just
go about your business. I said, well, you know, he says, well,
(16:54):
you know I helped to hire Tom Shales here at
the Washington Post. I said, yeah, Dad, but I'm your son.
He says, yeah, son, but good writers are hard to find. That,
I mean, that says it all about journalism and my father.
That was the most important thing in his life.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. Wow,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
But with your podcast, obviously you're talking to folks and
getting their stories.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
If you were to look back at your career.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Who are some of those folks that you talked to
that you you would get super excited to talk to.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Because it was it was rare air to be with
that person, You.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Know, Bobby, It's very interesting. I always fashioned myself as
a storyteller. It didn't matter at what role I was
having in my life, whether I was a straight news reporter,
news anchor, everything. I always felt myself as a story teller.
And I learned that from my father, and as I
moved through my career, I felt that every single story
(18:09):
on my show was unique. Even though I did thousands
of DNA tests and thousands of live detector tests, I
found that each story was unique, and so I treated
it that way. And I feel that that was the
connection that I was able to make. Look, I know
(18:31):
when I started to do my talk show, until I
ended these talk shows, that's thirty one years later, there
were seventy five talk shows in the cemetery that didn't work.
And I knew a talk show worked when a host
or hostess whatever could make a connection with that audience.
It was like it was like an election. It was
(18:52):
a campaign. You had to knock on a door, they
had to open it, They had to invite you in.
You had to become a member of their family. Only
the successful talk show hosts were.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Able to do that, to jump in front of the
camera full time. Was it someone that gave you that
push or was that just the next step?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Radio is a big part of your life. I will
tell you that. In nineteen sixty two, when I got
out of college and I wanted to get into the
business full time, I had been an assistant producer for
the radio television broadcasters from the Washington Senators baseball team.
I wanted to get into the business. You can't get
a job in the business unless you have experience. And
(19:33):
if you don't have experience, how do you get into
the business. So I got into the business as an
assistant publicity writer at a five thousand watt radio station,
and I hung around the newsroom to the fact that
the newsroom direct, the news director thought I was a
pest and made me a reporter. And to get into
television back then, there was no one in television back
(19:57):
then who had not been in radio. For think about that,
I mean everyone, I don't care whether you're in the
news business or you were in the everybody had to
be in radio first. In order to graduate to television.
So for me being in radio, the only first job
I ever got in television was the sport doing the
(20:20):
being a sportscaster on the ten o'clock news at the
now Fox station in Washington, DC. And that's how it
all started. And then within three months they wanted to
do this big three hour a day talk show way
before CNN, way before cable news. It was kind of
the news of the day, three for three hours a day,
and it was a three person anchor desk, and I
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was the only and they looked around and the only
person who grew up in Washington was me, So I
was hired for that. So I was a sportscaster and
a talk show host within three months of nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Did it ever with your syndication and like your national Rea,
were there moments where like you thought it was over
but miraculously something happened Or was it just steady growth
the whole time?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
No, it was it was serendipity. I'm anchoring the local
newscast in Washington, d C for the now Fox station,
the ten o'clock news. All of a sudden, this crazy
Australian named Rupert Murdoch buys my station and the other
metro media station, and those become are the Fox O
(21:29):
and O's. This is before the Fox Network, way before
the Fox News Channel. This is what he had. I
get a call three a year later that he bought it.
In nineteen eighty six. I'm supposed to come to New
York see mister Murdoch. He wants to talk to me.
I had never met the man. I go to New York.
He looks at me and he says, I have this
(21:50):
idea for a show. I said, you know. He says,
it's called a Current Affair. It's going to be all
the stories that the regular network news departments won't air.
Those are the stories we're going to air. Rupert Murdoch
had this great ability to see an undeserved public, a
(22:11):
public that was underserved, and so he tapped into that,
and this tabloid news show became the biggest hit in
prime time access between seven o'clock and eight o'clock in
the country. And Murdoch and that I mean, he told me.
He says, well, if this show doesn't work out, you'll
(22:33):
go back to Washington. And meanwhile, you just got married.
You live in Washington. Your wife lives in New York.
Maybe you'll find out if you could live together.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
It seems though that is a bit what he did
again with this version, exactly Fox News.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
No question, Fox News. I mean, it was all Murdoch.
He saw an undeserved huge amount of the public that
he felt weren't getting what they wanted, and he gave
it to them. And he's still giving it to them.
And that's, you know, twenty five years later.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
How do you do have an interest in people?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I mean, I feel like you've talked with everybody about everything,
and yet here you are still doing it.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Well, I tell you, it's very interesting. Everybody says, you know,
you're well in your eighties, and I said, look, I'm
still curious. I'm still curious. I have a curiosity. I
want to know things. I want to find out things
about people. I mean, we're starting this second season on
this podcast. I had so much fun, Bobby, this is
(23:37):
the stretch of the people I had. Alice Myers, this
unbelievable content creator. Never heard of her in my life,
fascinating person who has all of these followers. I did
Leanne Morgan, Okay, you know, Leanne Morgan, I do yet
she's one of the biggest comedians going. She's sixty years
(23:59):
old from this little town in Tennessee. You ever watch
the show Billions?
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I know it well.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Wags of all the characters in Billions. Wags this guy
who's been playing these character actors in Breaking Bad and
in Better Call Saul, David Costable and so William H. Macy. Okay,
anybody's seen Fargo? Anybody seem shameless? William H. Macy is
(24:27):
a great story. I love this stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I love it. What do you find? The through line
is of very successful people.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think, more than anything else, when they lose, they
bounce back. The greatest fear anybody in my business would
ever have is being fired. I go to Los Angeles.
I'm the second banana to my wife, who's the big
star out in Los Angeles at the CBS station. I'm
hired by a guy. Six months later, he's gone. The
(24:58):
new general manager fires me. Eight months into my job.
I thought I was I thought I would die. I mean,
and then guess what I still have. I still have
all of my my digits. I have my legs, I
have my arms, I got my hands, you know. I
lie down on the couch I'm walking watching newscasts, and
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I'm saying, you know, I think I'm just as good
as these guys. I I think so, and so I
end up three months later getting a job in San
Francisco at the ABC station. And so I think, with actors,
how about all the additions they lose, how about all
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the auditions that they go to and they don't get it,
you know, and they keep going, they keep going. How
about al Pacino in the Godfather, when the guy didn't
even want him there, wanted to throw him out. Robert Evans,
the head of Paramount, wanted to throw him out, didn't
want Coppola to getting koppel insisted. I just think, even
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even when others kind of bitch and moan about you
and criticize you, I've always, for some reason, it's always
kind of washed off my back.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
In season one, you did Pablo Torre, who I'm a
big fan of.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Because here you are.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, he and I thought the episode was great, and
he is an investigative journalist, like he's old school but
young in new school.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
What did you like about him?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
First of all, he's so smart, and I also feel
honored because he said to me, he says, you've been
in this business. What is going to happen? Because I'm
getting a lot of blowback, and I said, well, here's
what's going to happen, Pablo. The NFL is going to
get on you, and and the problem is that, I mean,
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the NBA is going to get on you. The problem
the NBA is going to get on you. And the
problem is are you going to lose your sources? And
the key is obviously you had sources who were executives,
if not owners of NBA teams. You can't allow those
sources to dry up just because you're being called out
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by a lot of people. And secondly, I know if
the NBA is going to have an investigation, that law
firm is going to be calling you and they're going
to be asking you, you know what. As a journalist,
they're going to want to know who your sources are.
And you always have to protect your sources. So we've
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had a back and forth for many months now. I
just I have so much fun with him. Do you
know what he and I did that you might not
know about? You know who Nick Cannon is.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I do know Nick Cannon, but I don't know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Nick Cannon has a podcast. It's called We Plan Spades,
and we played spades. Pablo Tory and I played spades
against Nick Cannon and his co host and we beat
the hell out of him.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
That's funny. You go to his house and take his Yeah,
that's good.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It was great, and Pablo was great. Connie and I
just did a just did another episode of Pablo. I mean,
I've I've been on Pablo's podcast maybe two or three
times now. And Connie loves him. Connie loves him because
he's smart. And he went to Harvard.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I know a golfer when I see one. Mostly I
saw your foot Joy. I saw your FJ Yeah yeah,
as a golfer myself, I spotted him out really yeah yeah,
oh you're a big golfer.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I am all right. Did you play today?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
How'd you know? I did?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I saw the foot Joy.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I walked in to be with you in a half
hour before I just finished up.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
So what do you play? Do you play nine eighteen
a day? Do you live on a course?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
No, I don't live on a course, but I live
like I'm in Florida these days. I left twenty minutes away.
My wife always says to me, I don't understand it, Maury.
You go find a golf club and then we have
to find a house. I mean, why is it that way?
I mean, so we spend some of the winter in Florida,
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and I belong to a course here. We've been living
in Montana for the last twenty six years. Twenty eight years. Actually,
I have two little courses there I play. I have
a course in New York because we still have a
place in New York. So I mean, I never played
golf till I was thirty. I never had a lesson
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until I was fifty. My wife researched it at fifty.
As a birthday present, she gave me this coach teacher.
His name is Peter Costas. He used to be on
the CBS golf broadcast for thirty years. He's a great teacher.
And my wife says, well, this guy is like the
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golf god. And so now for the last thirty six years,
I've been following Peter all around the country, and she
calls him the golf devil.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
How many hole on ones.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I've had two? Man, I never had one until I
was maybe, oh maybe fifty five or sixty.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Tell me about the first one.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
It was at Hollywood Golf Club in Deal, New Jersey,
a great old course, the Walla Travis Courts. His signature
hole is this short par three uphill, all surrounded by
by bunkers, and it's just one hundred and fifty yards.
And I was a member there for twenty five years.
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And I just hit this shot. And the good news
was that we had a foursome, a forceome up on
the green was letting us play through. So they were
like eight or wow wow yeah, And so I never
saw the ball go in the hole. And before that
I always said Ben Hogan never had a hole in
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one competitively, and his excuse was that he said he
never aimed at the pin, and so I was using
that excuse until, of course I made a hole in one.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
What's your handicap?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well, I'm very upset. My handicap now is five point five.
It was six months ago it was three point five.
So now you see how upset I am about life.
I mean I've been I've been scratched once in my life.
I played Costas got me so good that I played.
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I qualified for the United States Senior Amateur. I made
match play in the United States Senior Amateur I played
the three British Senior Ameters. I was really good when
I was about fifty five to sixty. Ever since then,
it's just moving up a tee.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
If you're if you're a five handicapped Morey, that's pretty
freaking good.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
That that's that's really awesome.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Well, I don't want to keep you any longer, but
I am a massive fan of like the different version,
like the different I feel like you had different sections
of your life that all were very instrumental in different ways,
and I think that that's what I'm a fan of,
of the different ways that you were able to a
make a difference or be cut through and sometimes at
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the same time. But even like you're talking about even
with like your your talk show, like you were cutting
through and you were doing in my opinion, with that
show what you talked about was happening with the idea
of a current affair or Fox News like you were
doing that. You were finding the underserved and actually giving
them something they could relate to.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
You.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Do you think that's that's correct?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
You know, I never thought of it that way, but
you're right, I mean, and I you know, I'm kind
of proud of that. I mean, I. I mean even today,
it doesn't matter I see a caddy. Oh, I grew
up watching you. I mean, in fact, I have a
great caddy story in terms of the show. So a
friend of mine said that he was he always hung
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out in the caddy shack where the caddies at the
golf course, and there was always a TV on, and
he's just listening and one caddy sand or the other.
You ever had that situation where somebody accuse you of
being the daddy and their kid and the guy says, oh, yeah,
yeah all the time. He says, well, what do you say?
He says, I tell him all the same thing. I
ain't the daddy till Maury tells me I'm not.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Okay, I'm going to let you go.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
But oh so I'm about to have my first child.
My wife is pregnant.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Oh wow, boy, here we go.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, yes, I have to. I wasn't gonna do it,
but I have to do it. So I am the father.
So do you mind, Mary?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Oh yeah, but but do we have a name.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
We don't have a name or agender yet.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Okay, Bobby, in the case of your little baby, you
are the father.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Yes, yes, it's me.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
All right, Maury, I love your podcast again, I love
the history of Maury and hope everybody checks out on
par with Maury Povitch. Season two is coming out, but
go look, go go listen to season one. I know
season two is coming out, but I want to encourage everybody.
You had some really great guests in season one. I
was a specially Lewis Black and Pabulatry were two that
I really loved, and so thank you for your time,
and I hope, I hope you have a great rest.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Of By the ways, Lewis Black addicted golfer, Yeah, addicted.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
You can always you can tell.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
It's a look we have, Maury, it's a look we have.
Have a great rest of the day, and hopefully we'll
cross paths sometimes.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Bye, Maury, appreciate it. Bye bye.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
All right.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
We're gonna go now to WWE Superstar Chelsea Green, which
if you watch the Netflix series on the WWE, which
was kind of that docu series, that's where I really
became a fan of her. I already knew her from wrestling,
but I just knew her as somebody who had a
big personality and was kind of the villain.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
It was somebody who lost all the time.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
They kind of just set her up to be big
and then to get beat up and now not so much.
Because while we're talking to her, she's holding two massive
championship belts and I felt like they were a bit heavy. Yeah,
I felt like she wanted to put them down, but
she was like, I'm not putting these championship belts down.
WrestleMania forty two tickets are up now WrestleMania Saturday, April
eighteenth and nineteenth in Las Vegas, and go over and
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get the tickets. They went on sale a few days ago,
but you can get your tickets now. But here she is.
Follow her if you want to see what she looks like,
just go to Instagram. Chelsea Green but a big fan.
Here she is Chelsea Green. What belt is one of
those attag team?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Which one is that?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
This is oh wait no, this is a tag team
and this is the United States Women's Championship belt.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Do you carry those with you everywhere you go?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
How do you get them through the I mean I'd
be afraid that, like one of the screeners at the
airport would be like wanting to wear it and take
a picture.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
With it or something.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, they do.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I love it, Like do you You don't check it though?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
You take it? You carry it on.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I carry it on because God forbid, Yeah, God forbid
it goes missing.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Can you imagine what's the role on if you are
the champion and I've seen how they remove the names
on the sides of the belts, right like it's like
a ceremony.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeap, the name plates are here.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
So you don't get to ever keep the belt. Can
you ask for a replica belt if you've been the
champion and then it's gone.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I've got We've got all of our
replica belts. Some of the replica belts will actually come
from the WWE shop and are they're sold and they
are amazing. And then others we actually get made from
the belt maker, the original belt maker.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I think that would be cool to have those. I
have a belt. It's obviously I didn't wrestle. Well, I
did the Major League Baseball Celebrity Softball Game and I
was MVP, and they gave me a WWE belt and
on the sides it has the specific event and so
I have that out, but I think that would be
so cool to have like all the belts from all
the championships that you've won.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
No, it's so cool. And I actually so I just
won this. Wait this, man, this has really screwing me
up here having two belts. I just won this one
for the second time. And I texted my husband. I'm like, like,
what's the rule here? Do I have to buy another belt?
Or like how did this work?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I never expected this.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yes, I think you need a second one. So I'm
a big fan for a lot of reasons. And I think,
to me, what I thought was really cool about you
was how much Netflix showed like your work ethic whenever
they did the series, Like, aside from your athleticism and
your background or how great of a wrestler you are,
I think it showed why people root for you. How
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did you feel about once you saw what they edited,
and how'd you feel about what was aired?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
So when they called me, I'll never forget I was
in the Salt Lake City airport. They called me and
asked me if I wanted to do it, and I
was like, look, I will absolutely do it, but I'm
not going to edit myself, like, you guys need to
edit me, because if you want me for the reasons
I think you want me, which is my openness, my candidness,
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my willing to just you know, talk about like whatever.
I'm not afraid, as my fans know, like I'm not
afraid to say how I feel. I was like, you
guys are gonna have to edit me. They said, no problem,
We're not going to hold anything against you whatever. I
film for months on end and then I forget about it,
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and then it airs and I was sitting on a
plane next to bron Breaker and I saw him watching it,
and I was like, oh, I just can't do it,
Like it's so cringey to watch myself. And I don't
ever want to change who I am. I am because
I've seen myself and I gave myself the ick because
I've done that before. And it's the same reason why
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I don't watch myself wrestle. I don't watch myself do
promos like I just I like how I am on
camera and how people perceive me. I don't want to
change myself because I'm judging myself. And then I started
doing media and I realized really quick, if I don't
watch this episode of myself. I'm not going to know
what I'm talking about. And so I watched it, and
(39:26):
I was so pleasantly surprised. I felt like, besides the
fact that it could have been so much longer, that
you know, we had months of footage and months of
just like other stories that we could have put in
that episode. I thought it was totally me. It was
the relationships I have with everyone. It's everyone, you know,
talking shit to each other, and like nobody has to
(39:48):
be serious around me. Everyone can say what they want.
And my family was there and you know, showing kind
of the I mean a little bit of the trials
and tribulations we go through as wrestlers, and my story.
It was just, yeah, it was really cool. They did
a great job. It's like they know what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
I think the thing that made me like it for
you the most was it made you likable because of
the hard work that obviously you've put in all the
injuries setbacks, and not only that that, like how your
performance and the crowd reacting to it is really what
put you over more so than it seemed like just
a person going I now, deem you to be the one.
(40:25):
It was like the people were able to do that
for you.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
It's funny because I worked so hard for the past
almost twelve years to get to WWE. Now that I'm here,
I realize, thank god I didn't get here in twenty fourteen.
Thank god it took me this long, because that is
why the fans are behind me. They know my story.
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They followed me getting fired multiple times. They followed me,
you know, not winning tough enough. They followed me when
I was on the independent scene and struggling and trying
to come up with these characters or at TNA as
the hot mess, and that is why they want so
badly to see me climb this ladder because I'm not
the chosen one, and it's very obvious I'm not the
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chosen one, and I like that for me, but for
years I wanted so badly for that to be me.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I have friends that are massive country stars now and
they will talk about specifically shows where they played for
six people, and it's crazy to even watch the videos
because now they've played to arenas or stadiums. When you
were wrestling independent, Are there any shows you can think
of where there were you know, seven, ten twenty people
in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Okay, there's a show. There's a show in Calgary, Alberta
kind of in a rough part of town in Calgary,
and Mike, Calgarians will know. It's in the northeast.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
They know.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
And a guy, an old old man, was wrestling before me,
and I was watching and I saw his old wrinklely
balls come out of his trunks, and that was a
moment that I thought, what in the hell am I
doing here? I don't belong here. I'm too good for this.
Get me out of here. And that's something that I will,
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you know, take with me forever. When I go out
there on you know, on a WrestleMania stage, or I
fall off that ladder at money at the bank, I
think about that man's that man's old wrinkly balls.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, wrinkly scrout, I'm gonna do it. It really change
your perspective on where you are in life. So athletically,
there are stories of like Lebron or you know, even
some guys that I work with that are athletes that
invest a lot of money into their body because that's
their tool. Like, so what are you what are you
doing like physically to make sure you stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
So I've been really I've been obsessed with personal training, diet, exercise,
all that stuff since I was probably fourteen, and then
I went to school University of Calgary for kinesiology, So
that's kind of ingrained in me. No matter what, I'm
always going to be a somewhat healthy eater. I'm always
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gonna work out for my mental health. It's second nature
to me. But I think what I've learned being on
the road so much in the past three years. You know,
I have not been home this month. I've been on
the road, and as any WWE fan knows, we don't
have an off season the way that the NFL, the MLB,
you know, the NHL, whatever have We don't have. That
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routine is really important and I've learned to find that
in traveling. I've learned to find, you know, a routine
when I get to my hotel room, a good sleep
pattern if I can find one, and just those things
the comforts of home while I'm on the road that
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make me feel grounded, well rested, and just keep me
sane because it's tough, you know, being away from your
own shower and your own bed, and your family and
your friends and still looking the way that people expect
you to look. Performing at a very very high level.
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It's hard. It is very hard.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I'm going a walk in boot now and I've been
on a scooter the last couple of weeks because that
ankle surgery and a little bit of that's mess with
my mind because I am a pretty active person. Like mentally,
it starts to like affect me to the point where
it's like, man, am I starting to get depressed because
I can't do anything except lay in the bed. But
you've been through so many injuries, and when that is
your job, Like, was it your mental health? Did you
have to really was that a struggle for you?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I mean, yeah, of course, especially especially when it comes
to injuries. I mean, look at mental health. It's going
to be a struggle no matter what. And then it's
going to be a struggle when you're sleep deprived, or
when you haven't eaten enough, or when the pressures of
show business are put on you. But it's really tough
as an athlete when the thing that you love the
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most is kind of ripped out from underneath you. And
usually as a wrestler, it's not in this amazing fashion.
It's something really crazy, like tripping and falling or like
you know, we fall on our butt and we break
our wrist, which I've done three times. It's not in
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this glorious fashion of you know, I fell off a
twenty foot ladder through a blaming table and everyone was
cheering and I broke something. That's not how it happens.
It's always the simplest of things. When I had my
first injury, it was in India and I broke my
collarbone mid match and I actually had to get airlifted
to a hospital in India and receive treatment there. I
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went through surgery in India. That was crazy, you know,
But again I was on the Indies. I was able
to go home. It wasn't not tough on my mental health.
It was tough when I had my first injury in
WWE because it was on live TV. It happened, and
then I was off live TV and my dream was
kind of ripped away from me. And that happened again
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when I had my SmackDown debut. I broke my wrist
on live television just before I was about to qualify
for a Survivor series. And you know, seeing this amazing
road in front of you, you know, I'm going to
do all these things. I'm debuting, I'm going to be
a star, I'm going to get a raise, I'm going
to be on WrestleMania. I'm going to be the next
John Cena. And then all of a sudden, you're stuck
(46:32):
at home for six to twelve weeks and you're not
doing anything. You're not going to work, you're not filling
your cup with you know, doing media or getting hair
and makeup done, or doing any of those things that
you have been doing every single day for weeks on end.
(46:53):
It's really really tough. But I learned with my last
broken arm that if you don't have hobbies and things
outside of this that you love, whether you're injured or not,
you're going to go insane. Because this doesn't last forever.
This is show business, and show business is so cutthroat.
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You need to have other things that fill your cup
and that make you whole and that keep you happy.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
You know, growing up and you're doing theater and you
you have training and dance and anything creative or anything athletic, like,
not a lot of stability there, even speaking for myself
doing stand up or doing or whatever whatever it is,
they're just not stability. So what is like your family,
your parents, What do they think when you say, hey,
I want to pursue this career with no stability whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Well, first of all, my parents, my whole family is
very They're like very put together, like, for lack of
better words, posh. Like you know, my dad is an
investment advisor in Canada. My mom works or worked, she
just retired at a very beautiful boarding school. My grandma
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is a posh British woman. They thought I was insane.
They thought it was absolutely crazy, it was low brow,
it was not what they ever expected me to do.
But I think now they realize this is exactly what
I was born to do. And you know, it was
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rough when I was on the independent scene wrestling for
ten people and not making money and struggling and all that,
when I really did have all the options in the
world and I was able to go to school and
things like that. Now, of course, I'm twelve years into wrestling,
and you know, I'm building my dream home, and I'm married,
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and I have all these dogs and cats, and I'm
able to I'm able to treat them to things that
they never expected I'd be able to treat them too,
like those are the moments where it's all worth it.
But it took a while. It took a while, and
my grandma admits all the time that she was so
embarrassed to tell her friends at morning coffee that her
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granddaughter was a professional wrestler.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
That's funny.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,
and we're back on the Bobby cast.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Dancing with the Stars has crushed and ratings in the
past like unprecedented, and you have a dance background, would
you ever do a show like that?
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I am so glad that you just asked me that
I am. I feel like maybe we're on the same
wavelength today. And that's crazy because I have been for
the past six months pestering the hell out of Dancing
with the Stars and out of our talent relations team.
They hear from me every single Friday, whether it's in
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person or by text. Did Dancing with the Stars call yet?
Have you asked Dancing with the Stars?
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, I know the producers of Dancing with the Stars.
I've spoken to Nikki Bella, I've spoken to the Miz.
I am planting those seeds. I am watering those seeds.
I am fertilizing those seeds. I will be on Dancing
with the Stars. It's just a matter of time.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Okay, So if you really so, I won the show
a few years ago, like I won the Mirror Ball,
and I know if you want, I know the head
of casting, I can literally Dina. I can just text her.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I didn't want to say her name, but oh, I
know Dina.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
I will text her and just put in a good
word and be like, hey, I was talking to Chelsea Green, like,
I think she would be awesome for the show. If
that's not like overstepping. Would you mind if I did that?
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Would I mind? I would pay you. Let me give
me your zell. I'll zeld your money to do no.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
I'll seriously, I think you'd be so great on it,
and there hasn't been a professional wrestler on it, and
I think it would be the first. I think I
think it'd be fair because again, you're so performative in
your wrestling, and obviously you have a background. I think
you will be so good on that show. And before
you came on, because that show is ending and it's
been a little controversial for me this year, but I
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wanted a few years back, and I was like, I
think she'd be great. So I will text her and
just just put you from another side. I will say,
I think Chelsea Green would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
This is I knew there was a reason I woke
up early today. This was it.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
How are you how physically? How are you feeling right now?
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Exhausted, Absolutely exhausted. But I mean I dreamt of the
day I was going to be absolutely exhausted from wrestling,
and so it's it's a really good feeling to wake
up being exhausted because I'm doing every single thing I
ever dreamt of.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
When you talk about WrestleMania, we're talking about WrestleMania. Before
you came on, we were talking about tickets going on
so and even behind you it says WrestleMania Vegas. I
mean that's that's super Bowl type stuff, like leading up
to it, like being there, Like what's the vibe like
at WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
I mean, I don't think there's anything like it. We
always compare it to the super Bowl and you know,
like the pinnacle of every other sports thing. But I
don't think there's anything like WrestleMania. Because we've now not
only is it, you know, two days obviously this year
it's going to be April eighteenth and nineteenth, but it's
a whole week of just everyone being engulfed in all
(52:22):
things professional wrestling. And what I love about WrestleMania Week
is it's now transcended just WWE. The entire wrestling community
bases their year around this week, and so I personally
get to see all my friends from other companies and everyone.
(52:43):
I mean, I don't get to see raw talent, I
don't get to see Maxine Duprix all the time. So
of course we get to spend the whole week together,
and we get to go to the Superstore and now
my hat is going to be in the Superstore this year.
And I get to meet all the fans that I've
been kind of connecting with online through Twitter and through
Instagram all year, and we get to, you know, just
(53:06):
like have those one on one moments that I personally
think make or break a fans relationship with the sport
of professional wrestling, because they all just want they just
want to tell you how much they love this. And
so to be able to stand in a meet and
greet line or a photo op line and have them
(53:27):
tell me that it's just like the coolest thing ever.
It really is. It's my favorite week of the year
besides Christmas.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
I have three very quick, super cliche wrestling questions to
ask because I'd be remiss if I didn't just ask
these questions. Who's your favorite wrestler of all time?
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Kelly Kelly?
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (53:46):
Secondly, what's your favorite match that you lost?
Speaker 2 (53:50):
First of all, I don't know if you know me,
but I've lost every match ever my mom basically a
losing streak. I don't know how I hold these championships,
but it's something has gone seriously wrong in the back
for me to even have these titles. But I digress.
I would say the money in the Bank match, where
I knew Tiffy was winning. I knew how big that
(54:11):
was going to be for her. I love her, and
I knew that, besides her winning, me being push off
that ladder was going to be the most viral thing
on that show.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
So that was exciting to you because you knew, even
though you were losing, you coming off the ladder was
going to be what popped.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
And it was going to be in the most glorious
fashion that Tiffy was going to be able to grab
that briefcase after pushing me off the ladder. I knew
that the crowd was going to be split between Tiffany
and myself, and I had already decided I was going
to do that stunt. I was dying on that hill.
They tried to say, I don't think you should do it,
it's unsafe. I said, I'm doing it. The producers were
(54:50):
incredible about pushing and saying like, she's gonna do it.
Whether you want her to do or not, She's going
to do it. And I made sure that that was
the last thing that those fans saw before she got
the briefcase, because you know, when you're building a match,
it has to go like uh uh ah like that,
and if you don't have that, you've done something wrong.
(55:13):
And so I knew that that was the best thing
for right before the biggest pop of the night, which
was Tiffany winning the briefcase.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Final question, super cliche question, what do you think Jen
pop doesn't know about what you do?
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I just think that they don't understand. I think this
whole F word, the word fake has been thrown around
since the early two thousands, that they don't understand how
real it is. I did stunts for movies. This is
I don't have patting. I'm not rigged up. I am
(55:53):
doing these stunts on my own. I am landing on
my spine, on my back, on my tailbone, on you
know I'm I'm doing. These are all real, real, live
stunts in front of twenty thousand people every week, multiple
times a week. And I wish that instead of saying
is it fake, they would ask me how bad it hurts?
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Well, big fan, thank you for the time. And I
will text Dina as soon as we're done, and that
would be super cool. I would love to see on
the show because it's so much fun. And I and.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Then will you come and dance with me on the
dance that you have?
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Oh you don't want someone come back?
Speaker 4 (56:30):
You don't want that. I want.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
I literally was like everybody's favorite. But I had no
dance experience.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
So I love that.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
If there's a time, if you're on and it's hey,
bring someone on. But if I don't make or break
your dance, but I'm just like a part of it,
I will do it. But I would not trust to
you in my hands because you'll hurt something again. And
I would feel terrible for that reason, but I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
That I just know that my arm is now metal.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Okay, Chelsea, thank you for the time, have a great
rest of the day, and hopefully I'll see you soon.
Speaker 5 (56:59):
Thank you you all right, Chelsea, thanks for listening to
a Bobby Cast production.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Mm hmm
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