Top 10 BobbyCast Episodes of 2025! (Part 1)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hey guys. Today we're counting back the top ten episodes
of the entire year, and going through this list was
pretty fun. We had some legends on Ringo, John Fogerty
from CCR, Brooks and Dunn, Lionel Richie, Massive Country Stars,
Keith Urban, Luke Bryan, Eric Church, Landy Wilson. We had
Dave Ramsey dropping by with Money, Money Truth and Mark
Happas from Blink one Eddy two. So a super cool

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mix of people from this year. And if you hear
any of this and you want to go here to
the whole episode, just go track it down. It's a
lot of fun to do. We're gonna get started now
with Landy Wilson. Landy obviously had a huge year both
personally and professionally, so it's fun to sit down with
her shortly after winning CMA Entertainer of the Year to
talk about her biggest supporters, how Fames impacted her and

(00:54):
her family. Here's a clip of my conversation with Landy
Wilson from episode five thirty one. Do you have someone
that's close to you that reminds you to be human.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
My fiance, Duck reminds me to be human. He definitely
helps me keep my feet on the ground. Also just
kind of reminds me of like what's important. I know,
you know, we've talked about this song, but like I
know that I'm not gonna be sitting on the couch
with my music career when I'm nine years old. So

(01:29):
I want to make sure that I'm like taking all
the opportunities that i can. But I also need to
make sure that I'm taking care of my people and
my relationships and creating those memories. And he helps me.
He reminds me how important that is.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I've known you for a long time. Yep, I haven't
seen much change, except your clothes are nicer. Yeah, what
about back on how has it changed for your family
and your parents.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I think it's been a big adjustment for my folks
back at home. I think it kind of like snuck
up on them. I think, uh, you know, being eight
hours away from Nashville and not along like on the
ride with me every step of the way, I feel
like I'm more kind of in it, so I am
aware of like what's happening and the changes that are happening,

(02:21):
uh to my life. But I think it's kind of
been a few pills to swallow at a time and
they'd be like, oh, oh okay, so like this is
the new reality. For the most part, everybody at home
still treats them the same. I mean, there's a few
people who have come out of the woodworks and acting

(02:42):
like we're cousins and stuff like cousins.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
When you're we're from everybody's our cousin now Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, but uh, it's been an adjustment, but I feel
like they're they're doing a good job.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I think one of the things that makes you special
and one of the things that allowed your explod was
your voice, not just your singing voice, but where you
come from, how you talk about where you come from.
A lot of that comes through your writing. Now, to write,
you have to be creative. To be creative, you need time.
Are you able to set aside time to allow creativity

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or how do you do that?

Speaker 4 (03:17):
It's been a juggling act, but I have had to
force that time. We talked about this too, but how
important it is, like to just get bored and watch
paint dry, and I mean I was I've been in
Nashville for fifteen years. In the last five years of
being here, it has been like ninety to nothing. I

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haven't hardly even been in Nashville, but I feel like
those like first ten years I was here, I had
all the time in the world to find inspiration and
get creative and like go check out writers and nights
and get inspired from other songwriters. And now it's like
I'm having to find inspiration in different places and sometimes

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that is that's work, you know, it's like opening a book,
watching in the show, having conversations, like digging a little
bit deeper than maybe I had to the first ten
years I was here, when.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
You were living in an a trailer outside of somebody
else's house, what would you tell her ten years ago.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Who I would say, Honestly, you don't even know what
you're getting yourself into. But it's like the most rewarding
thing you ever do, also the hardest thing you'll ever do,
all kind of wrapped in one I would say, be

(04:43):
sure to look up because just like we talked about,
you know, there's definitely been moments. You know, it's like
you dream about if I could just get my first car,
if I could just get my first boyfriend. If I
could just do this, the same thing happens in the
music business. It's like, if I could just get a
publishing deal, if I could just get a record deal,
if I could just get a song on the radio
and have a hit song. And then if I could

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just sell a ticket to make sure that I'm not
missing those.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Moments, I want to flip it ten years ago talking
to you now. What would she tell you now?

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Oh my gosh, I would think she would. I think
she would tell me that she is proud of me.
I do feel like, for the most part, I am
the same person.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
I look back at it like a picture of me
in my camper trailer days and I can't help but
like shake my head a little bit and be like
that poor girl, like had no clue. But I feel
like at the root of all of it, like who
I am and what I stand for and all those things,
I still think that like I am, I'm staying true
to that. I think she would. I think she would

(06:00):
just say, remember why you started doing this?

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Are you proud of you?

Speaker 4 (06:07):
I am proud of me. I will say, as proud
as I am of myself, I am also my biggest critic.
Then people on Facebook can't got nothing on me. You
know what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, you think you
can hurt me, I can hurt myself. But that's I
feel like that's a part of the reason why I
am even here is because I have been hard on

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myself and I'm like, Okay, this song is okay, but
it's not like what I think it can be, or
that performance was. It did the job, but like, what
can I do to take it a step further? And
it's very rare when I walk off the stage and
I feel like I did everything how I was supposed
to do it. I'm always mentally taking notes about, Okay,

(06:51):
that did not work here, Maybe I need to try
something a little different the next night.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Are you a perfectionist?

Speaker 4 (06:58):
I guess you would say I am a perfectionist.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Do you think that the product needs to be perfect
in order to have a perfect night or do you
think you need to perfectly attempt.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
In how you have your night?

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like where does perfection come from?

Speaker 4 (07:17):
The Thing is like when I think about my music
and I think about even like being in the studio,
I'm not trying to make that perfect.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (07:25):
I'm saying, I'm not trying to. I don't know. I
want people to feel like they can come as they
are and they can listen as they are, because I
wrote in that from that perspective as who I am,
you know, from a place that is not perfect, who's
like trying to be better and trying to be my
best self. But I definitely think that there is something

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on stage, and I think you'll probably be able to
understand this from like, from your perspective. When you do shows,
it's like it all depends on the energy that is
out there, and you feel like if you're not getting it,
there's something missing and it could be a weird night

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for the crowd, it could be a weird night for you.
But it truly is like an energy exchange. And there
are some nights where it is just absolutely on fire
and you feel like you can communicate without even hardly
saying a word. But there are other nights where you
feel like you are fighting for it.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Have you learned through that experience that a lot of
times you're wrong, because I have where I've felt like
I'm doing terrible, the night is not going well, nobody's
laughing my jokes. This I've got eleven things happening in
my brain not going right, and I get off and
the feedback from the people that I trust is exactly
the opposite.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
And that's happened enough.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Times where I just commit and go and understand that
I don't always understand have you had that happen yet
where you realize maybe you don't have it figured out
up there.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
One hundred And it makes me feel better because I
was like there for a while I was walking off
the stage. I think it was just because I had
done so many shows in a row and I was
so tired and beating myself up that I couldn't really
see it for everything that it was. And Duck Mandolin,
my manager, all of them were like, that was the

(09:20):
best show that you've ever played. Like that one right
there is like one that you better remember. And in
my brain and in my heart, I was like wow,
Like I did not. I did not feel that way
when I walked off the stage, just because I want to.
I want to leave it all out there. But I
will tell you this, Melissa Etheridge told me something which

(09:43):
kind of helped me. And every time that I go
on stage and I have this thought in my head.
I feel like I leave the stage in a much
healthier way. She told me about the eighty percent rule.
She said, get out there and instead of giving it
like one hundred and ninety percent and feeling like you
have to get up there on let this stage to
like bleed out and like, you know, just leave it
all up there if you if you do the eighty

(10:06):
percent role, it gives you that like twenty percent window
and wiggle room to not let yourself down so much.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Like, having grace for yourself is a really hard thing
to learn. I don't think I'm not good at it yet,
but I think I understand I'm good at it. And
that's like therapy talking where I think I'm getting better
at having grace for myself is exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Hard.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's it's yeah, it's hard when you hold yourself to
a standard because those people paid money that they went
and worked for, waited for months to watch Landy Wilson,
and there is an expectation within yourself that's right, that
they don't go home sad, yeah, or disappointed.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
I know because when I think about like me as
a fan, which if there's anything that I miss more
than anything, it is being a fan out in the crowd.
I miss that so much. But when I think about
me as a fan, I think about, like how hard
it was for me to buy that ticket, and how

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hard it was for me to like get to that
show and made the arrangements and buy the hotel room,
and like the entire year we were planning for that.
That was like a bigger deal than Christmas, you know
what I'm saying. It was like the highlight of my year,
the highlight of my life. And I still think about

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those like memories. And I think, too, it's probably coming
from knowing how important those moments were for me that
I put a little bit more pressure on myself because
I know that these people had come and worked hard
to be there, and they came there to feel something,
and I got to make sure that they do.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
My last question before we talk about the ACM specifically,
do you have anybody in your life that tells you
when things aren't good? Because I have found I can
only believe people to tell me when I am good
when they've told me that I'm not good. Yes, because
everybody wants to be your buddy and be like that's
so great, But the people I trusted tell me I
did something good to the people that have had to

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tell me, hey.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
That wasn't so good. Oh yeah, Do you have those
people in your circle?

Speaker 4 (12:13):
I do, and I keep those people close. Like the
truth is, I always say like, I don't want to
take advice from people who aren't where I want to be.
I remember, even like growing up and singing, and my
mama cannot carry a tune in a bucket, but she
would try to tell me how to sing, and it
would make me so mad because I was like, you
can't sing. But I will say when it comes to

(12:36):
like choosing songs and picking songs and the ones that
I write, I can always trust my mama's judgment and
she will tell me. She'll be like, I don't think
that one is as good as you think it.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Is, So that means you can trust her when she
says that one is awesome.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Yes, her Mandolin, my manager, my sister, They don't tell
me the stuff that I always want to hear.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Need somebody to tell you suck, because that's really the
only people that you can believe to tell you're awesome.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
And also I don't really take criticism from people. I
wouldn't take advice from. That's it, and that's hard sometimes
because the internet can be brutal. I think we all
can be like I don't read the comments, but sometimes
we read the comments. Yes, and it hurts sometimes it hurts.
It does, be honest, it hurts, it does. But I
try not to take criticism of people I don't take

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advice from. And I commend your relationship with your fans
online because I see how dedicated you are to it.
I think they feel like they know you, and I
think you do a good job at allowing them to
know you and staying the same person.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Well, I hope so, I hope they feel like they
do know me, because I really feel like I know them.
I mean, even when they're coming through my meet and
greet lives and I've never seen these people a day
in my life, there is a there's like a true
genuine connection. I feel like they're just they're good people,
like they work hard, they take care of the families.
They're not the main people on the internet.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
I will tell you that that's true.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
My fans are not sure.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Let's reflect a bit.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
When you win Best New Female Artist, YEP, feels like
twenty years ago, but it's not.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
That's your first real big award. Like, what can you
remember about that night?

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Oh my gosh, Well, I remember Miranda calling me and
telling me on a zoom and that was it was
hard for me to wrap my head around because her
and I we had like I think hung out a
time or two, but we weren't like buddies at that point.
But for her to call me and like deliver that news,

(14:43):
it was I was like, this is Miranda Lambert calling me?
And she told me she felt like she was passing
the baton and that meant a lot to me.

Speaker 8 (14:52):
It did.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
It felt like I was really finally starting to like
enter the game.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
And you get to go to the ac MS an
award winner, like you're going you're walking through a carpet
as the best artist.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
That's super special.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
That's the first time you got to have your first award.
Like do you remember that night? Like do you remember
the experience of that? Do you remember that that show?
Where was that show?

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Was that one in a Vegas that was at that
like the big, the big, big arena that year. I
think that's where they did it.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
See I would have held I would have had an
award with me. Even if it wasn't the real one,
I would have had a fake one.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Walk you know how that goes. They don't get it.

Speaker 7 (15:33):
Three months.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Yeah, it comes in the mail. It's like, here's your
packing it.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Let's talk about let's go up a level. Best Female Artist.
You win that ACM. It's like, you've just had kindergarten graduation.
Now you did sixth grade graduation and you're valedictorian of
sixth grade graduation, which is pretty sick.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Okay, new level. How does that feel?

Speaker 4 (15:55):
I felt like, Okay, I mean, these these folks thought
enough of me and my talent and what I do
to to think that I am, so now I got
to show them that I am.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Were you surprised?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Hmm?

Speaker 9 (16:10):
I was.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Uh. I always like go into these award shows like
when my fingers crossed and like hoping for the best.
But yes, at the end of the day, you can
sit you can sit around and like dream about that
day happening all you want, but like when it actually does,
you can't help it but just be like Okay, like
I told myself I was gonna be here, but like

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this really, this is really happening.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I want to go another year and it's best Team
of all Artists again. But then it's Entertainer of the Year,
which is the graduation. Like that's the big one. Yeah,
that's the one that the greats have won. That's the
one that some of the greats haven't won. Yeah, were
you surprised?

Speaker 4 (16:54):
I was very surprised.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
For me.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
It was kind of one of those moments where I
was like, how did we like wind up here? Like
I knew how we were like wound up there, But
in the grand scheme of things, I know that it
looks like from the outside looking in, like I like
I just showed up here, you know, and I'm like,
now to school. But the truth is, you know, even

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when I won like New Female Artists of the Year,
I think I had been in town at that point
in time for twelve years. I've been here for fifteen
years now, and so Entertainer of the Year that is
the biggest title.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
That's the well, that's that's it. That's it. So it's
it's still something that I can't believe like happened as
early on as it did. But again, it went back
to that same feeling of just like Okay, well, these
these people voted for me for this, and now I

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got to show them why they did.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
Where do you keep that award?

Speaker 4 (18:04):
I built me a trophy case upstairs, so I got on.
My trophies used to be participation trophies. I don't feel
like that's the case anymore.

Speaker 10 (18:17):
Hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast. At number nine
on our list is Mark Hoppus from Blink one eighty two.
From episode five oh five, Mark told the stories behind
meeting his bandmates in Blink one eighty two, Tom and

(18:38):
Travis Barker and why the night of a movie premiere
was one of the coolest moments ever. Here's part of
my conversation with Mark Hoppus from Blink one ighty two
at number nine. When reading the book, I admired how
candid you were. I've written a couple of books, and
there were times where I'd written things that I felt like,
we're so candid one that people don't feel to feel
sorry for me, But I wanted him to actually feel

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like empathy or have understanding, and there was a fine
line for me and right there were also things that
like triggered certain things in me like it was like
a whole therapeutic four or five months honestly to where
I questioned some.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Of the stuff that I left in. Was there any
of the stuff that you left in that you questioned
for any reason whatsoever that it was too personal or
too triggering, or did some of that stuff actually feel
so therapeutic that that was positive in the process.

Speaker 9 (19:26):
Both all the.

Speaker 11 (19:27):
Stuff that I wrote about anxiety about you know, self
doubt about when I was sick with cancer and the
you know felt like I was facing death, all that
stuff I left in and I was like, do I
really want to put this all out there? Because the
same as you like, I don't want anybody to feel
sorry for me. I'm very lucky and I'm very blessed.

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But I feel like when I write from my heart
that that's what connects with people. When I'm writing lyrics
or I'm writing songs and I write something that really
means something to me, I feel like that's what connects.
I feel like that's what I listened to or react
to if I watch a movie or read a book or.

Speaker 9 (20:01):
Listen to a song.

Speaker 11 (20:02):
And so I was like, look, I'm going to put
it all out there, and people can sift through it
and ignore it if they want to, but hopefully instead
of ignoring it, they connect to it and it means
something to them, because I feel like they're pretty universal
themes that we all go through.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, and I learned that even if it wasn't specific
to the person reading, I think you said it best.
It's a universal theme more than it has to be
them relating on a specific molecular level. And there's a difference. Right,
Can I watch a movie same thing you just said?
I feel in many ways, but I don't like relate
specifically to the exact storyline, but there are there's absolute

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relatability that makes me happy, sad, angry, whatever it is
about the movie. The same way in the book, have
you had the people that have read the book that
you know what have they come back to you and said, wow,
I didn't know even this about you.

Speaker 12 (20:52):
Well, one of the.

Speaker 11 (20:53):
Things that's happened since the book has come out and since,
you know, since my cancer story, is that people come
up to me and they share their cancer stories, and
I feel really honored. Like even today, I was on
Good Morning America and one of the producers came It
was like, you know, when you're going through your cancer stuff.
My mom was going through the exact same cancer stuff,
and you talking about it or posting about it or

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being so honest about it helped her through it. And
a lot of people come up to me in the
past couple of years and been like, Hey, my girlfriend
or my friend or me, person whoever has cancer, Like,
what do I say? What do I do? What would
you suggest? And so being able to feel like, because
I was lucky enough to survive, that I could help
other people with their figuring it out, because I really

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didn't have someone like that when I was going through it.
I like being the cancer guy that can help people
either themselves or with friends or family.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
What role did TRL play with you guys's fame?

Speaker 11 (21:50):
Oh, it's huge. It was such a special time in
music and in our band's career. I feel like at
that point TRL was really undergoing a change.

Speaker 9 (21:59):
There were the there.

Speaker 11 (22:00):
Were the Bread and Butter, the Gold Standards artists on TRL,
the Britney Spears, Destiny's Child, Christina Aguilera in Sync, Backstreet Boys,
ninety eight degrees, all these huge pop acts. But when
blinkin eighty two was at our heyday, coming like in
the late nineties early two thousands, rock and roll and

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punk rock and kind of like that sports metal stuff
was starting to break through as well. So it was
this interesting time to be popular on a show that
was popular for being so poppy.

Speaker 9 (22:32):
And here's our rock band coming in.

Speaker 11 (22:34):
With like sideways baseball hats and skateboard clothes and big
dickies performing with people who were wearing like versace and
really nice clothes and really professionally trained, and we were
just sloppy and dumb and it was fun.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Was there ever an identity crisis with the band? Because again,
you guys shifted music to pop, emulating what you were doing,
but in turn you were because you were so pops peeler,
you were now part of pop. You actually led that
sound in pop, which that was what you guys weren't.
Now all of a sudden, you're not pop, you're punk,

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and now you're pop. But because you've changed it, you've
changed what pop is.

Speaker 9 (23:14):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Did you guys ever have the man maybe we should
just go so hard and make sure people don't know
that so they know we're not pop. Was there ever
an identity crisis with Blink?

Speaker 11 (23:22):
I think that after Enema of the State and how
popular we got and how we were on pop music
stations at the time that came to us, and like
you said, I don't feel like we changed our music
at all.

Speaker 9 (23:32):
But music had come to us.

Speaker 11 (23:34):
And so on the next record, Takeout for Pants and Jacket,
we were like, we are going to plant the flag
that we are a rock band, that we are not
chasing some kind of fame, that we are not chasing
some kind of sound. We want to do a post hardcore,
you know, really dark cool record. And so if you
look at all the stuff for Takeout for Pants and Jacket,
we're like wearing all black, We're not smiling at anything.

(23:57):
We're looking straight to the camber ur r's crossed, like
we are the Sia rock band now. So a little
bit of that, But I would like what take It
from Pansion Jacket did to us and really focused us on, wait,
what are we trying to do? Like I feel like
En of the State was kind of our party punk
rock record, and then take Out for Pants and Jacket
was like a lot more dark and viby.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
So I have three extremely cliche questions and only have
a few minutes left, but three these are extreme cliche,
So number one is going to get me. What is
your favorite Blink hit?

Speaker 9 (24:31):
Favorite Blink hit? I'll go with Feeling This.

Speaker 11 (24:35):
Feeling This was the first song that we wrote for
the untitled record, And if Aliens ever came down from
outer space and said, what's a Blanquinity two song? I
would play that, and I would play all the small things.
But I think that Feeling This really showcases each one
of us in a different way, and it's kind of
an artistic take on a traditional Blanquanity two song that

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pushes things in a new direction that we were really
excited about when we wrote it.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Second cliche question, what was the best part about fame
and what was the hardest part about fame?

Speaker 11 (25:05):
Best part about fame is the Okay, here's the coolest
thing that I ever got to do by being famous.
When they launched the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie,
we got invited to the premiere at Disneyland and they
shut down the whole park, so the red carpet, the
press line was all the way down Main Street and
then we turned left into adventure Land and the whole

(25:25):
thing was closed off and there were literally people at
Disneyland begging us to go on their rides because there
was nobody else there, so like Big Thunder Mountain and
Pirates of the Caribbean and all these great rides we
got to ride. And then they premiered the movie on
Tom Sawyer's Island on a huge screen, but we were
sitting out in front of Pirates of the Caribbean on
these cool bleachers, so we watched the movie, and then.

Speaker 9 (25:46):
At the end of the show.

Speaker 11 (25:48):
At the end of the movie, you walk out and
they hand you a video game at the Pirates of
the Caribbean Video Game, and you get in a limo
and they drive you down Main Street of Disneyland and
then take you home. That was rad the hardest part,
the worst part about being famous.

Speaker 9 (26:07):
Stalker. We had a stalker for a while. That was
a bum out.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
You wrote about that. Yeah that, Yeah, that sucks. We've
had that issue too, because it feels like you're not
in control. I didn't realize it until it just feels
like you're not. It's you stay your whole life trying
to control everything and then all of a sudden you're
not in control.

Speaker 9 (26:23):
Like that sucks. Yeah, yep, Okay.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
My final cliche question, how important is it to you.
The people do lowercase B and the dash in Blink
one eighty two.

Speaker 9 (26:35):
It's important. I would say it's an eight out of
ten importance.

Speaker 11 (26:38):
Wow, it's not necessary, but it's like it's like, yeah,
that's what it's supposed to be.

Speaker 9 (26:44):
But you know how people can write it however they want.

Speaker 11 (26:46):
You know, people overseas say blink one eight two instead
of Blink one eighty two, And it's always a point
of contention we go over season, like, well, what are
you supposed to say blink one a two or one
eighty two? And it's one eighty two to us. But
as long as you're talking about us, that's all we
care about.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
My producer Mike, you're his favorite band of all time.
Mike has got a couple of questions.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Mike, Hey, Mark, huge fan.

Speaker 13 (27:07):
I've only ever cried once in concert, and it was
in twenty twenty three when I saw you guys play,
and it was the intro you did for Adam song,
like that's my favorite.

Speaker 9 (27:14):
Belieb Man song.

Speaker 13 (27:16):
Has that song kind of changed for you from when
you first wrote it to now to kind of having
a different meaning to you?

Speaker 9 (27:22):
I mean, it met the world to me when I
wrote it.

Speaker 11 (27:24):
It was a song that I wrote it a very
dark point during the period of time between Dude Ranch
and m of the State where our band was starting
to get successful.

Speaker 9 (27:34):
But I would come home and I would be totally
alone and feel alone.

Speaker 11 (27:37):
And we go out on tour and I'd feel fulfilled
and whole, and then I'd go home and I'd feel
empty again. So I wrote that song and it meant
a lot up to me because I was honest with
pain and depression. And then as I've gone through life
and gone back to that song, and especially when the
band got back together after I was sick and we
were playing this song that meant so much to me,
I would walk on stage and say, very honestly, like
this song saved my life once and this band saved

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my life a second time. So it like it. It's
almost now like it means so much to me that
I don't want to play it and I always find
excuses to not play it because I get in my
own head when I do.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
The other part that's to got to be able the book.

Speaker 13 (28:15):
We talked about it earlier about you begging your dad
to get you a bass like I did the same
thing because I saw Blinkwin eighty two and I was like,
I got to play guitar with my brother. He's like,
all right, we got to convince our parents he got
a bass. So we learned playing guitar and bass by
getting tabs off the internet. For you, what are your
top four blank n eighty two basslines?

Speaker 11 (28:33):
Top four blank grenat two bass lines? I would say
the bass line in Mutt I Love. I would say
the bassline and feeling this that I love dysenteria. Gary's
a lot of fun to play.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
And what's the fourth?

Speaker 9 (28:44):
Oh wishing Well? No Carousel?

Speaker 11 (28:46):
Oh Carousel is a good one, but that one, the
intro is hard to play. And I love that bass line.
And it's literally the song that Tom and I wrote
the first time that we got in a room together.

Speaker 9 (28:56):
Oh blump with Carousel though too.

Speaker 11 (28:58):
Sure, let's kick out, Let's kick out wishing Well and
we'll put Carousel in.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
I like the mic change Mark's mind. That's the funniest thing.
Final two questions. Were you at all concerned that when
you were united people wouldn't come?

Speaker 9 (29:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (29:13):
I think always that, But it wasn't about the people
coming back. What it was important to us was that
the three of us were continuing to do what we love,
which is playing Blink linty two songs and writing new songs.
When we got back together, there wasn't even in talk
about like we're going to tour and play these songs.
It was like, we're going to get in a studio

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and write a new record and keep doing what we
love and keep writing new things and keep pushing forward.

Speaker 9 (29:39):
So it wasn't so much about like.

Speaker 11 (29:42):
Well, you know, we want a bunch of people to
come and watch us play shows. We do obviously, but
we want people to come and listen to new stuff
as well as old stuff. So yeah, I think that
we were less concerned about the people being there and
more being true to ourselves.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
My final question. You wrote about this in your book
as about you and Tom going from best friends to
being not even on speaking terms. So and you talked
about just communicating by email only, Like what is the
communication like now between you two? On a personal level.

Speaker 11 (30:14):
We text all the time, whether it be about you know, uh,
blink blink stuff or just jokes or memes or memories
or whatnot, talking about everything. Really Like I'll just call
Tom up and I'll be like, what are you doing?
And I called him like last week, I'm like, what
are you doing right now? And it's like nothing. I'm

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literally sitting in my yard watching my dogs run around,
and so then we just talked about dogs for a while.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
So it's now it's just totally normal cool.

Speaker 11 (30:41):
Yeah, absolutely, it's better than normal cool, like you know,
like all brothers.

Speaker 9 (30:46):
Again, we have.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Lionel Ritchie at number eight. One of the coolest interviews
that I've done because it was at the Paramount Theater
in Austin in front of a live audience and he
had just put out a book, so we were just
talking about his life, talking about some amazing stories from
the formation of the Commodores which he was part of
that and opening for the Jackson five. Lionel great person
loved the interview. Here is some of Lionel Ritchie from

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episode five forty four. You guys had had gotten so good.
The newspapers were also complimenting you guys, and they'd be
the jack and five. They were good, but holy crap,
the Commodores so much so that I feel like there
was maybe resentment from Michael's dad.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
You read the book, boy, are you doing all right?

Speaker 8 (31:32):
I like that all right, So what happens is that
every thing that wented on at that time, you have
to understand it was all about protecting the Jacksons. We
were just trying to make sure we killed every night
and every time they schooled them on what you properly

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should do.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
We were listening, if you.

Speaker 8 (31:55):
Have a song that's going to be the highlight song
of the night, play that first. Don't wait till the
end because the crowd won't be there. Now we're playing
top forty. We have no hit record, so we get
to pick any record we want. Well, we hit them
with sly Stone, we hit them with the Tempted. But
we were killing it and they were little boys and

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we didn't have any respect for them.

Speaker 14 (32:22):
That should good TMZ guard right right, okay, until they
walked out on stage and those little boys turned it
into a machine that would scare you to death to
this day.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Don't let anybody fool you. They came out to slay everything.

Speaker 8 (32:44):
And at that point I realized, we are the luckiest
guys in the world to be in front of this little.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
School of preschoolers.

Speaker 8 (32:54):
And whatever I had to do to tolerate the abuse
for a year, I will take it because this is
my ticket to somewhere. And finally we ended up in
the Hollywood buld in Hollywood, California, and those little kids
walked us right into Motown Records.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
One of the interesting things about your story of going
solo wasn't you going I Am going to go solo.
It was the awkward predicament of them saying to you
and your band, you guys are now just going to
follow Lionel, and it put you in a very weird.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Place, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 8 (33:39):
I was perfectly happy being a member of the Commodores
and had no thought in my life to leave this band.
In fact, I wrote, I think somewhere in the book,
thank God for the Commodores, because without them I would
never have been Lionel Richie.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
That is a true story.

Speaker 8 (34:01):
These guys, this is not a band now. This is
a group of brothers I never had before. A group
of brothers that didn't grow up on a university campus.
These brothers grew up in real life. Milon Williams Mississippi,
Clyde the Drummer, and Tommy that's Florida. I'm not talking

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about the ritzie side of Florida.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I'm talking about Florida.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
Okay, And so when I tell you William King, Birmingham, Alabama.
They taught me more stuff that I had no idea
what survival was until I heard their story. But more importantly,
they taught me that I can be me. I heard

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terrifying words from these guys, Lionel, bend over on the
stage and kiss that girl on the front Oh. And
I said to them, in my grandmother, mother and father's training,
I don't know the girl on the front row. And

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they said, fool, will you just bend over and kiss
that damn girl on the front row. And so finally
I found enough guts in my heart to bend over
and kiss that girl on the front row.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
There was such a scream.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
In this huge arena that the problem the Commodore has
had from that point on was Lionel quit kissing the
girls and sing the damn song.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I had discovered.

Speaker 8 (35:55):
Sexy, you understand, So everybody thinks for a moment, the
Lionel broke out being the lover he was when he
was growing up and decided he's gonna go solo. I
did not want to go solo. I had the band,

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I had everything I needed, all I needed to do
is just stay in the band. By this time I
discovered I could write. By this time, I didn't have
to play the saxophone too long because I had to
be able to sing more than I could play the sacks.
This is good news. Now came the problem reviews. Everything
was fine until Lady. Now they know me as the writer,

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and they don't know the rest of the guys, but
they know Lionel Riches and the Commodores, and.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
He wrote Lady.

Speaker 8 (36:49):
So now you go back to the band to do
interviews on behalf of the band, and here are the questions.
Lionel tell us when you started the Commodorees, tell us
how you did it?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Well? I didn't start the book. I mean we started
with the coming Lionel, how does it feel being the
front man? This is not good? And then finally the ultimate.

Speaker 8 (37:24):
Madison Square Gardens and then finally Lionel Richie's set down
to the piano and played his songs.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Here's the line that stabbed everybody in the in the chest.

Speaker 8 (37:42):
What's the guy like Lionel Richie doing in the funk
band like the Commodorees. Now try to go back to rehearsal.
After that, and that is not where you want to be.
So from that point on, I felt this okay, and
no matter what I tried to do, no matter how

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I tried to do it, no matter if I stay
on the road longer.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
But also was coming at the same time.

Speaker 8 (38:10):
Was after three times, a Lady, after Ceylon, after got it,
and then Lady came out. The checks were coming in.
You know what keeps a band together the word equal.

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It was not equal, and so it became. And I
believe me, I'm telling you, I knew what was happening.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I just was in denial.

Speaker 8 (38:41):
But it was the hardest thing and I know eventually
that something had to happen, and it did.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I had to leave the Commodore's.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
I want to talk about songs specifically, and let's bounce
around through some songs. And Lady is so interesting to
me because I love Kenny Rodgers.

Speaker 12 (38:56):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
It's like I got to know him a little bit
before he passed away a few years. Loved him, and
you know, he's known for that song that you wrote,
but it really wasn't Lady. You had it as like
baby and you and he was just telling you a
story and you're like, yep, it's a lady.

Speaker 8 (39:12):
No, everybody, you have to understand something. You want to
be embarrassed and you want to get mad. Every guy
in the Commodorees would bring in ten songs for the album,
and each one of us thought that their ten songs
was the ten that should be.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
On the album. So you do.

Speaker 8 (39:32):
You don't need to finish the song totally, because all
you had to do is play and here's the first song.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Nope, all right, here's my second song. You know, so
you don't write, you don't finish crap. You just hit
the head of it, Go to the verse, go to
the hook. They like it great. Kenny Rogers said.

Speaker 8 (40:04):
Called me on the phone one day and said, I
want one of those ballads.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
You got one? And I said, yeah, I got one,
and he said I want you.

Speaker 8 (40:16):
How fast can you get me the song? I said, well,
I got a problem. I'm on my way on tour.
We are just finishing up the album.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
And now, of.

Speaker 8 (40:28):
Course I had a song called Baby for the Commodore's album,
and they said to me when I walked in, we
don't want another love song.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
And I said, okay, that's pretty clear.

Speaker 8 (40:46):
So I decided to write a gospel song, and I wrote,
Jesus is love?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Now all right, I got Jesus's love.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
I am not going to be able to do this
with Kenny because we're going on tour. I said, when
I get back off a tour, toun Kenny, I'll call you.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
And we got it, no problem. Two weeks later, we're
about to go on tour. The drummer Clyde.

Speaker 8 (41:18):
Why he bought a motorcycle, I'll never know his hope
drummers and motorcycles. I'll never figure fell off of his
motorcycle and now has to be off the road for
a month and a half maybe two months. Tours canceled
and pushback. I called Kenny on the phone and said,
you want that song?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
He says, I do.

Speaker 8 (41:38):
I said, I'm available, because that's Kenny Rogers. You returned
his phone call, you see, And so he said meet
me in Vegas. I get to Vegas and there he
is in the dressing room, bigger than life, and he

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starts telling me this story. He says, you know I
just got married. I said, congratulations, I heard that. He says,
you know I'm married.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
A lady.

Speaker 8 (42:10):
I mean, I'm from Houston, Texas, and I don't know
why on earth that. I mean, Marianne is so refined.
I have no business being with a lady. This lady
is so amazing, linel she does things that I would
have never just taste, I've never seen. He went on,

(42:31):
this lady, this lady. He said, By the way, what's
the name of the song you wrote for me?

Speaker 15 (42:36):
I said, lady, he ain't stupid. The brother ain't stupid, baby, lady,
same damn thing right now.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
He's excited because it's right on the story. He wants
to talk about it, all right now, let me hear it.

Speaker 8 (43:03):
Wow, now this is commodore pitching one O one lady.
I'm your nine and shining Ama, and I love you.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
You have made me when I am I am.

Speaker 16 (43:20):
Your should it should have charged more Money's.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
All right, it's all right. It was just that quiet.
And Kenny said, what's next?

Speaker 8 (43:48):
And I said, you like it? He says, I think
it's brilliant. What comes next? I said, what if you
like it, I'll finish it.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
And that's the big ending up, lady.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
The places that songs come from could be purposeful or
could be rare.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Can we take up a collection something that happened?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
That's all right, the more you sing, the more Yeah, yeah,
if I got it, hey, hey hey hey, hey, hey
hey hey hey. Nothing felt as random to me as hello.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
How that song came to be?

Speaker 8 (44:35):
There are things what I love most about writing. It's
got to be simple. If it ain't simple, you won't
remember it, neither will I. And when you have a
d D you need it simple.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
All right now.

Speaker 8 (44:52):
I was playing around with my co producer, James Anthony.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Carmichael, and.

Speaker 8 (45:02):
He was late, and when he walked in, I said, Hello,
is it me you're looking for? We need more money, man,
we got to get more money anyway. He said, the
damnedest thing I'd ever heard in life.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Finished that song and I said, wait, wait, wait, wait wait,
I said.

Speaker 8 (45:27):
James, that's the corniest line I've ever heard in my life. Hello,
is it me you're looking for? Can't be a song?
He says, I'm telling you. Finish the song, brother Richie,
You've got something. And I went back and reluctantly I
put some chords to it, wrote the damn song.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
He said, Let's record it.

Speaker 8 (45:48):
I said, James, I'll be laughed out of the business
with Hello, is it me you're looking for? He said,
Let's record it all right. We record the song USh
Lush Lush Strings. It was just it was just amazing,

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and then I loved it and he hated it.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Why it's too heavy. It's too heavy.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
So I went off somewhere and wrote a song to
kick ladies ass, excuse me Hello's ass, and wrote Truly.
Now now wait now it gets it gets it gets
scared before it gets good.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Now I'm sitting there and I have Truly. And we
threw some more songs off the record.

Speaker 8 (46:54):
Do I throw off Hello and replace it with Truly?
Or do I keep Hello and put it out? At
the same time, we threw another song off because it
was just too risque, Call All Night Long. I ain't

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gonna sing that.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
That takes too long.

Speaker 8 (47:21):
But the point was to show you the insanity was
I was trying.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
You know.

Speaker 8 (47:29):
My whole concept was, how do I get people's attention.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
You have to do something crazy. I ain't taking on my.

Speaker 8 (47:38):
Clothes, so I gotta shock you with something that you
ain't ready for. And so I wrote this Calypso song,
and it's got the feeling and that thought. Okay, it
was just too long and it was too much stuff
and it had too many layers, so we threw this off.
I'm walking down the hall one day at the studio.

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This music is playing in the second thing. Oh my god,
it's just kicking and the thing is happening, and I
decided just to make sure I have that uptempo song covered.
I wrote Running with the Knight to cover in case
we don't need All Night Long, Okay, to make a

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long story short.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Truly was the first single.

Speaker 8 (48:23):
Truly was also my first Grammy.

Speaker 9 (48:29):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
We threw off the album the very last minute.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
We put All Night Long on and Running with the Night,
and that was the national anthem of my life story. Hello,
All Night Long, Running with the Night, Get out of town.

Speaker 10 (48:50):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to
the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
At number seven of our top ten of the year
is Dave Ramsey episode five forty two. We talked a
lot of things money. It's crazy he was once three
million dollars in debt and filing for bankruptcy and now
he's super successful and he's a money expert. But a
lot of that's because of what he went through.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
We talked about the worst financial advice out there, and
a lot more. Here's Dave Ramsey at number seven. What's
like common financial advice that's wrong?

Speaker 12 (49:27):
Most everything on TikTok.

Speaker 17 (49:30):
Yeah, TikTok is, like you know, in the years was
that let me think it was in the eighties and
even up into the nineties, there were these things on
midnight on television on the cable TV at midnight infomercials,
and you would watch some guy sitting by the waves
and he had done nothing down real estate and buy
and sell real estate and flip this house and all

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that kind of thing, and you could buy his tape
set for three thousand dollars and learn how to get
rich in real estate and those kinds of doing the
stuff I did to get to go broke. You see
exactly how you would do it.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
What about time shares?

Speaker 17 (50:03):
Are those that it's the legalized fraud, but the uh.

Speaker 7 (50:08):
It's horrible, so there's no good to it.

Speaker 17 (50:10):
There's no good to timeshares. Timeshares are nasty and the
whole the people in the industry are unbelievably scummy. It
is a nasty world. But anyway, the so that a
lot of them flip this house stuff on TikTok is
all over the place, or a lot of crypto stuff
on TikTok, A lot of most of us kind of

(50:33):
get rich quick vibe. It's like, you know, I'm looking
at you're looking for an easy button. I got an
easy button. I'll show you an easy button for thirty
four and twenty two dollars. If you follow my system,
you can buy and sell stocks day trade stocks, which
ninety seven percent of the people that day trade stocks
lose money in a six months period of time.

Speaker 12 (50:49):
Really, isn't that crazy?

Speaker 3 (50:50):
That's exceptionally high. I thought it would be more than
fifty for sure, but I.

Speaker 17 (50:53):
Would be It's just like it's a one hundred percent
chance of losing money.

Speaker 12 (50:57):
It's like nuts.

Speaker 17 (50:57):
I mean, you have a better shot at the roulette mathematically, statistically,
So it's crazy. And the difference is in the roulette.
We'll at least you know you're taking a chance. But
on the day trading, they think they got the system.
They bought the system off some gout on TikTok, and
he rented a jet and then filmed it like he
owned the jet and I got a jet, and yeah, right,

(51:18):
what you got is a bunch of crap. But how
do you feel like crypto? I don't buy anything that
is a commodity, and so I don't buy barrels of
oil off of the commodities market. I don't buy gold,
I don't buy soybeans. I don't buy the deutsch Mart
or the Euro. Those are currencies, and crypto's acurrency, and

(51:41):
it's a commodity. And so I buy things that generate money,
and that way I can actually place a value on them.
And that would be like a company. An example that'd
be buying a stock. I don't buy single stocks by
my mutual funds. But a company that's home depot's making money.
You can look at the numbers. It's actually producing something.

(52:01):
It's not just a thing. A commodity is just a thing,
and the only reason that a thing goes up in
value is shortages or perceived shortages. Greed and fear drive
the markets. And that's why, uh, that's why crypto. Crypto
doesn't actually produce anything. It's just a currency. It's not
a bad it's nothing necessarily evil about it. It's a
very young currency, doesn't have a long track record, and

(52:24):
the trucker that it does have is very volatile. So
it's really scary. But all the cool kids are doing it,
and so that's why everybody's in it. But I don't
have anything, and I don't I'm gonna put money and
stuff like that because you know, like we said earlier,
kind of trauma.

Speaker 12 (52:39):
I don't. I don't like losing money. I don't like gambling.
I don't. I don't play cards.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
You don't gamble on it.

Speaker 12 (52:44):
I don't, don't damn them. I don't do anything.

Speaker 17 (52:46):
My wife will put some quarters in a slot machine
or something like that, but a lot of my buddies
play poker and stuff.

Speaker 12 (52:52):
I get zero joy out of that.

Speaker 17 (52:54):
It makes my stomach go up into my throat and
it is It is not entertaining for me.

Speaker 12 (52:59):
It's not funny.

Speaker 17 (53:00):
It reminds me of trauma and I go down that
crazy cycle that we're talking about, and so I.

Speaker 12 (53:04):
Don't do it.

Speaker 17 (53:05):
I don't get joy out of losing money. I understand
how people get a thrill out of the possibility of
losing money. So like a Michael Jordan is known to do,
you know, all that kind of stuff that he's got
the money to do it, that's fine.

Speaker 12 (53:16):
I'm not mad at Michael. It's just I don't. It's
not fun for me. So I don't.

Speaker 17 (53:19):
I don't do that, and Crypto's right in that bucket.
It's the same thing. And so I don't get joy
out of being a cool kid. I don't get joy
out of being on the cutting edge and whatever. I
just want to buy something that's boring and has always
gone up in value, like vintage baseball cards versus brand
new ones.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
What do you love that you don't really talk about
much because everybody wants to hear you talk about money.

Speaker 17 (53:47):
I talk about anything I really want to. I don't
really have any limitations. I really enjoy tea. We coach
about ten thousand small businesses with our Entree Leadership brand,
and I do a podcast called on leadershiphe I'm answering
questions for small business people, and leadership questions come up
a lot and running a business questions. And I have

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thoroughly enjoyed the business part of growing our business over
the years and taking care of our team and loving
our team well, and.

Speaker 12 (54:15):
The leadership leadership.

Speaker 17 (54:16):
So I do a lot of leadership conferences as a
keynote speaker or as a business Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 7 (54:23):
I love you.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
You're still in then, so it's not to you. You're
not just maintaining by doing what everybody expects of you.
Because you do it well, you still love it.

Speaker 17 (54:30):
Yeah, I thoroughly love it because leadership the difference in
that And when I help somebody with their money, that's
a one to one transaction. If I help a guy
or gal'll be a better leader, that helps fifty people
because he's leading the one hundred people that they're leading
and they weren't doing as good a job and now
they're doing a great job. So that's got to force
multiplier to it. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Leadership is interesting, especially when you have to lead multiple
people with different personalities.

Speaker 12 (54:57):
Oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
I think one of the things because people in mind
industry and podcasting or radio will come to me and say, hey,
how do you manage different personality than I say, differently. Yeah,
I think there's not a one size fit all leadership method.
Everybody must do this this way. I was going to
ask if you subscribe to that same theory.

Speaker 12 (55:15):
I agree, I agree completely.

Speaker 17 (55:17):
Now what you do have to have is some principles
involved that apply to regardless of your personality. The principles are, well,
you have to get our work done, hello on time.
Aude principles are we have to and from the leadership position.
Bosses push, leaders pull, and so regardless of personality style,
my job is to sell them, to teach them. Hey,

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the train's going this way. The train's going to a
shiny place. You want to be on the train. Here's
the train. Get on the train instead of standing behind
them with a whip. Because if your organization is being
pushed rather than pulled, it's always moving at the speed
of the slowest common denominator, and it grinds to a
halt pretty quick because we're waiting on the do fists
at the end that won't keep up, and we're you

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know that that doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
I've always felt that hiring energy and attitude massive for
me as far as like having successful hires that maybe
they didn't know as much in a certain area as
someone else that I was talking to. But it's so
much easier to have to slow somebody down than to
push them faster.

Speaker 17 (56:18):
Absolutely that in character. Yeah, Yeah, I got to be
a dependable human.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Being on our show, The Morning Show. The hours are Weird,
still very hard. It sucks and forever, and I wrote
about it my first book, If You Were One Minute Late,
you got set home, and it wasn't because you had
to be there at exactly that time. It was because
everybody else got there before the deadline time.

Speaker 12 (56:42):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
And by you not getting there, that shows that you
feel like your time's a little more important than everybody else.

Speaker 12 (56:48):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
And that's an art. That's when it starts to get
toxic within the group.

Speaker 17 (56:52):
When I was in my twenties, I was very important,
I thought, and I was going. I had nine I
was a plate spinner. I had plate spinning everywhere, all
these different deals I was always doing, had deals, deals, deals, deals, deals, deals,
and I was perpetually late for everything because I was
so important and so I but I ended up going.
I was sitting down with this guy that was going

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to do an investment in one of our real estate projects,
and a very wealthy guy CEO, and I come in
fifteen minutes late, and he goes, you're late. He said, yeah,
I got all this going on. He goes, You're really important,
aren't you, And I'm like, well that, yeah, No, I
don't mean no, but I mean he goes, no. You understand,
when you come in here late, you are saying to me,
I'm not as important as everything else you have going on.

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If you named a rock star or you named a
world figure that you wanted to meet with, and you
had a meeting with them, you would be early, regardless
of how all the other things you had going on.
But you're late to meet with me, and it says
to me that I'm not important. That's arrogance. He just
chastised me. You know what, I don't think I've ever
been late. After that one conversation, it hurt my feelings

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so bad. He was so right, and I said, this
is arrogance. It is arrogance. It's exactly what it is.
And so no I train we around Ramsey, we just
say trains run on time.

Speaker 12 (58:06):
Trains run on time.

Speaker 17 (58:07):
And you know we're broadcasters too, so we're looking at
the clock and you know you don't have to hit
the clock. I was speaking at a church the other
day and they have like four services, and so they
got to get the parking lot turned over.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
They got it.

Speaker 17 (58:17):
It's like he goes, guy goes, you got thirty four minutes,
you don't have thirty five. Put the clock up and
I'm in at thirty three. Give him an extra minute
to get the parking lot, you know, and he's like,
nobody comes in early. And I'm like, yeah, well you
said that number one, number two. It's how my brain works.
From thirty years after that conversation with that guy chastising me,

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I'm gonna be early.

Speaker 12 (58:39):
I'm going to hit the clock.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
I got like three more questions for you, and I
want to go to Financial Peace University. Do you has
that modified itself with as technology changes?

Speaker 7 (58:46):
Have you had to change elements of that?

Speaker 12 (58:48):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (58:49):
And the church world has changed. It was largely taught
in churches. Fifty thousand churches have had ten million people
go through it. That's the size it was and it is.
But the number of churches that meet during the week
like a Tuesday night to do a marriage class or
a money class almost zero.

Speaker 12 (59:05):
Now that has shifted.

Speaker 17 (59:07):
Pre COVID, it was already going down, but COVID just
put a stake in it ended it. And so the
way people do church has changed dramatically in the last decade.

Speaker 12 (59:17):
And that was you know, for.

Speaker 17 (59:19):
Better or for worse was our distribution method for that thing.
So yeah, we went to digital. What is happening right
now that is very exciting is we have woven the
teaching pieces then do this, don't do this into the
every Dollar app, and so that as people are running
their budgets, they're getting prompts of videos and we're teaching

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them the same material inside the thing in digitally. And
the success rate of that is crazy good. It's probably
better than when we were doing an analog. And it's
just in the early stages, but all of our beta
testing and stuff, we're going, we're doing to release in
a three weeks the next version of every Dollar and

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it's but that's the methodology that we've shifted to to
go to digital.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
With like Ramsey Plus, because again that is so technological.
And I find myself and I'm a forties starting to
go like, well, I don't quite get that. Do you
have Do you have a whole younger like twenties and
thirties that come in and go, hey, this is what
we're gonna do and this is how it's consumed.

Speaker 17 (01:00:23):
Yeah, well the yeah, exactly, because who is it. I'm
I'm My target audience is not me. I'm sixty five. Yeah,
I'm not the focus group, not even close. And so
the target audience is thirty four year old with two kids.
And I got student loan debt, they got credit card debt,
they got car payment, and they feel stuck. And the
one thing they fight about most in their marriage is money.

(01:00:45):
And so we've got the antidote for their life. We
can fix it. We've just got to figure out way
to inject it. And to your point, the gen Z's
and millennials are are two wonderful generations to have on
your team. I've got about six hundred in those two
generations working for us out of eleven hundred and maybe
seven hundred actually out of eleven hundred. But they are

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abundance mentality because they grew up with this magic wand
in their hand and they can just push a button
and stuff shows up on their front porch, and so
why couldn't I just push a button and fix this?
And so they believe almost anything's possible in the creation
of a product, the delivery of product, or the effect
of a product, a digital product. And so they're to

(01:01:30):
have those people in a room with that mentality and
that spirit while you're building out.

Speaker 12 (01:01:34):
Something like this.

Speaker 17 (01:01:36):
You can't you can't do it if you don't have them,
because it's native to their brain. It's not native to
my brain. My brain's native to eight track tapes, for
God's sake, you know, so the but I can catch
up if I force my intellect to do it. But
it's not my natural state, it's their natural state. The
only downside they've got and the generation is because they've
got this magic wand they have no patience.

Speaker 12 (01:01:58):
They want it right now. They want everything microwave.

Speaker 17 (01:02:01):
They don't want to crockpot anything, and so if something
doesn't work in about twenty minutes, they want to change
it immediately, Like, no, let's just stick with it a minute,
let's cook it a little bit. Probably it could tender up.
I think it's going to be okay. Let let's not
give up on everything so fast. But iterate, iterate, iterate, iterate. Yeah,
well we're going to iterate. But you know so the
old dog can drag them through that stuff and you

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end up with this wonderful working situation when you're creating
products like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
When couples are fighting about money, does like Amazon purchases,
is that a big part of it. They're just like
one of them's ordering a lot of stuff to the house.

Speaker 17 (01:02:35):
You know, generally it's they don't they're not working together
and there's not a lot of transparency. One of them
is doing stuff the other one don't even know about.
They're not necessarily hiding it. Sometimes they are. But it's
like the wife is handling the money and she just
gives her husband an allowance or vice versa, and then
then all of a sudden they look up and they go, well,
I just I want a new car. Well, we I
mean money for a new car. We got all this

(01:02:55):
credit card debt? Why we got credit card debt? Well,
because you keep spending. Well, nobody said anything, and there
was just this. It's disorganized, it's chaotic, and it's not
a top down strategy for laying it all out together.
We both agree to it, we both implement it, and
there's tons of communication about our values while we do that,
and that causes a couple to be knit together and unified.

(01:03:19):
And the opposite of that is when you have all
this chaos, disorganization and there's money flying everywhere. It's inefficient
for the money piece, but it's disastrous from the relationship standpoint.

Speaker 7 (01:03:28):
What about shared checking accounts?

Speaker 12 (01:03:32):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 17 (01:03:33):
I have to yeah, and again it's databased. Okay, this
idea that you can have a roommate and be married
to them, and you have two separate lives and that
causes success.

Speaker 12 (01:03:46):
There's no data to support that.

Speaker 17 (01:03:49):
Again, go back to the millionaire study we did with
ten thousand, one and sixty seven of them, eighty nine
percent said I worked very closely with high community cation
with my spouse to get here. When you interview the public,
forty percent say that and they're broke, and so there's
a there's causation and correlation right there. There's statistical on that.

(01:04:12):
That data is solid, and so you know, the couples
that work together have higher quality marriage, higher happiness factor
when they're doing marriage surveys, higher likelihood of staying together,
and a much more efficient use of the money. So
you build weal faster. It's very simple. Instead of I've
got mine, you got yours and you can't. You can't

(01:04:33):
you know you pay your car payment, It's like, what
do you This is not your college roommate, this is
your wife.

Speaker 10 (01:04:40):
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Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
And we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
One final question, and when I was asking earlier if
like things change, because things are changed your book, the
total money makeover, which I'm assuming it's sold so many
because it's ever it feels ever green.

Speaker 12 (01:05:06):
It is, it's still on the bestseller list.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
But also are you having to expand it because new
elements are introduced.

Speaker 12 (01:05:14):
No, it was principle based.

Speaker 17 (01:05:15):
It wasn't product based, and so they you know, live
on less than you make. You don't need to expand that.
That doesn't change when the digital world takes over. You
still got to live on listen you make so that
you know, being on a written plan, a budget of
some kind. Yeah, maybe you're doing it on an app
versus a yellow pad, but you still you still have
to have a freaking plan and stay and stick to it.

(01:05:36):
You don't get to Florida unless you have a map Hello,
and so you don't just take off driving and hope
you get there. So those everything in that book is
so principled like that, based on principles, and they're they're evergreen.

Speaker 12 (01:05:49):
And that's why the book has been ever green.

Speaker 17 (01:05:50):
We've updated it, We went back in and changed a
few of the stories, updated the stats. I think we
did a twenty year edition the other day or something.
Anniversary edition. Yeah, because it's I saw That's why I asked, Yeah,
it's like fifteen million copies or something.

Speaker 12 (01:06:03):
That's crazy. It's nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
That book, to me reminds me and I alland on
this of Dale Carnegie's book, which I've read many times,
because fundamentally, even though that book was written one hundred
plus years ago, that's all the same, like you want
to win.

Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
Friends, to get people to like you, be successful, like
the same fundamentals.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Some things have changed with technology with people different abilities,
different utilities, but it's the same.

Speaker 7 (01:06:26):
And I feel like that book is that exactly exactly.

Speaker 17 (01:06:29):
It's principles of relationships, how to win friends and influence people.
And I sat next to a lady at the I
was over at the ballpark watching my one of my
grandkids play ball the other night, and this twenty two
year old sitting there reading that book.

Speaker 7 (01:06:44):
Saw you just saw it randomly.

Speaker 17 (01:06:45):
Yeah, she's just sitting there in them stands reading that book.
She's watching her her little brother or whatever it was
out there, and she's reading that book. As I said,
how old are you and she said, I'm twenty two.
And I said, it's very cool that you're reading that.
That book will change your life. And she's like, what,
thank you?

Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
Did she know that? Was you saying that to her?

Speaker 12 (01:06:59):
I don't know what.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
You never said, because I wrote that book.

Speaker 12 (01:07:02):
No, no, not mine, Dale Carnegie.

Speaker 7 (01:07:04):
Oh, I thought you were talking.

Speaker 12 (01:07:05):
About No no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 7 (01:07:06):
Did you think he was talking about his non? I
thought he was talking about his should have said I
wrote that.

Speaker 17 (01:07:12):
No, my face would be on the front of that one.
You know that would be hard to get away from.

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Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
What's the most accidental, random part.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Of all of this success when you go, holy crap,
I can't believe that happened, because this happened.

Speaker 18 (01:08:00):
I think probably the fact that actually in two thousand
there was a real good chance we were sick of
each other.

Speaker 19 (01:08:08):
To the point that we were really talking about we've
had enough.

Speaker 18 (01:08:12):
You know, we were using different producers whatever, sending files
back and forth.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
We kind of I don't think it was sick, of
which you might you might have to me for interrupted.

Speaker 19 (01:08:23):
I'm glad to hear you say that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
I thought, no, it was all about about the music
we were trying to find. We were trying to find
it hit a wall and we were trying to find
something it was a little different. I had a little
little more different twist or you know, it could punch through.
At the time, it wasn't the same old sambo. And
I think we just you know, we're hard headed button heads.
But nothing. I didn't feel any real tension, no, I

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mean other than you know, we.

Speaker 19 (01:08:50):
Never raised our voices to get each other in thirty
five years.

Speaker 6 (01:08:53):
It was just as searching the right music.

Speaker 18 (01:08:55):
We'll turn our back on each other and come back
when we're done. Poutin and Joglani came in at that
point and said, guys, I just got back to town.
Will you make one album for me? And we said okay,
and made what we thought was a pretty good record.
He had a song, I guess Ronnie said he might
might have come to him first. I don't know, but

(01:09:16):
whatever the song called nothing About You showed up and
I finished. Only in America the night before we were
going to record, and uh we cut those two songs.
Nothing about You was number one for six weeks after
having an album that was basically didn't do anything, and
only in America it was number one. And in the
time it was a real dark time because of the

(01:09:37):
towers coming down and both things.

Speaker 6 (01:09:40):
I know nothing about you.

Speaker 18 (01:09:44):
So it just kind of everything changed. We're back on
back in the saddle. Here we go again, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:09:50):
Which takes us back to It's all about the song.
And you're right about timing. You know that you were guru.
You've been around this. You've been around it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Still waiting with time doing wait right and catch a break.

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
Probably probably the most miraculous things to come out of
all this chaos along the way is that here we
sit right now.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
Why do you say that?

Speaker 18 (01:10:08):
Because we get to do Bobby Bone for your kidding
all this.

Speaker 6 (01:10:13):
Time, it's just hey, here we are.

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
You know, your dream as young children was the worker
with meet it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
We call it a panacle.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
It's like my grandma before she died she said, my
grandma said, be careful on TikTok, and that hasn't been invanity, your.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
Grandma, my grandmothers is just going in there will there
will come from the from the woods of Arkansas, young man.

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
You will know him.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Buy his glasses Arkansas.

Speaker 5 (01:10:38):
No, it's not Buddy Alli.

Speaker 19 (01:10:39):
No, remember Bobby.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
This Buddy, it's Bobby.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
This room, this space that's changed. The walls are a
bit different. But there's a recording studio. What happened here
with you guys.

Speaker 19 (01:10:52):
Brand new Man first song.

Speaker 18 (01:10:55):
And a ton of stuff, so much freaking music history,
from good God Almighty, from Roger Miller to you could
Merle Haggard, everybody you can think of that's famous in
country music, Carlen Howard and all just the greatest guitar players,
the greatest songwriter certainly you know Curly Putman, Green Green

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Grass a home all this.

Speaker 6 (01:11:16):
This was the most single, most impactful. The largest publishing
company in the world.

Speaker 19 (01:11:22):
And the studios where everybody demoed that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Was there a respect, a creative respect within yourselves when
you're working in a place that has all that history.

Speaker 6 (01:11:31):
Yeah, yeah, June Carter, Like before I even really came
to town was telling me. She said, you don't need
a writing deal first, Well, here's how we can we
build it. And she said, I'd already been to every
publishing company in town. Donna Hilly at the time with
Buddy Killing which owned Sony Time, but Donna was running

(01:11:54):
called uh and think she was the last publisher that
we had gone to. Call me in Oklahoma and said, uh,
would you take what was it six hundred dollars a
week or something, which is a lot of money, Uh,
to to a retainer to ride and he kicks him
in here. It's like you're just kind of solidified. Oh man,

(01:12:15):
you know, do you come into the biggest, baddest professional
song publish Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
The three of us come from similar backgrounds, rural area,
small towns. I'm gonna ask questions, kind of weird to ask,
but do you remember when you become a millionaire?

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
I remember asking kicks on the bus. We got royalty
checks like the same day.

Speaker 18 (01:12:37):
It only came in the mail with two commas on it,
a number in front of it, like you had a
paper check. YEA, nothing more fun than in the mail,
broke on your ass your whole life and walking papers
check with two commas on it there.

Speaker 19 (01:12:53):
You know, excuse me, how you need to go talk
to a manager. Yeah, I might want to go do that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
I guess.

Speaker 18 (01:12:57):
I don't know what I was thinking about checking account thing.

Speaker 19 (01:13:00):
I got some ideas.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
So we get we get these checks. I opened mine first,
I don't know for whatever. I didn't know what it
was and turned up and said, oh, I said, he
he kicks I just became a millionaire. And he's like, okay,
so he tears his his opening goes, yeah, me too.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
So I'm scared if I'm holding that paper, you know,
sign the back of it and then get it to
a bank.

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
I did it. I did it in Brentwood. I said,
it's the first time and probably last time I walked
in the bank to do that. And I said, I
just got to see what they do. You know. If
I had the teller a million dollar check and I
handed it to her and she's looking looking down doing something.
She looked on and she goes, okay, she said you
need to sign this sign of back, sweetie. So I

(01:13:45):
signed it and away it went. And then she hands me
the receipt and I went home and told Janine, living
right down the road.

Speaker 12 (01:13:53):
I told her.

Speaker 6 (01:13:53):
I said, I went in there and put a million
dollars in the bank.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
He said, like I was even there.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
Everybody does I.

Speaker 6 (01:14:01):
Guess billed away? SORRYS has just been in there. They
keep baking hard for twelve million or something.

Speaker 9 (01:14:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
That's what fun I have.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
This is the this is the original ACM. So is
this the one you guys got first? This is the style?
Bring back any memories at all?

Speaker 6 (01:14:24):
Yeah? Oh yeah, a lot of memories.

Speaker 19 (01:14:26):
The fun thing was you got to take them with you,
no way.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
We had to worry about packing them in your bag,
you know, to fly out with them from LA.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
It takes like eight weeks to get them the mail. Now.

Speaker 18 (01:14:37):
I remember waking up with a slide hangover after that
night you're talking about when we won two of them,
and going, god, what happened?

Speaker 19 (01:14:46):
Oh man, are those things? Did I make it home
with those things?

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Sure enough?

Speaker 19 (01:14:51):
They were sitting on a bedside table.

Speaker 18 (01:14:53):
No, thank god, because I didn't really remember a lot
of what A few.

Speaker 6 (01:14:56):
Of them got back A little slight dings, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
Some of them are pretty much good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Went to the Country Music Hall of Fame and saw
all of them together. I mean it's like you're walking
into freaking jewelry store. Uh where were they before you
allowed them to hold them?

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
Like? Where did you keep them? All?

Speaker 12 (01:15:15):
Just what?

Speaker 6 (01:15:17):
I just in the home with Janna and half the
time we get on the bus or playing and yours
with Barbara?

Speaker 19 (01:15:23):
Where are they stored? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
There's so many? Do you storm them? Do you put
some on the toilet?

Speaker 18 (01:15:28):
Do you put like I e, I got a home theater,
you know, at home and it's got it's kind of
set up when I built it just kind of had
you know, shells with lighting.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
And stuff, all of them all images there.

Speaker 19 (01:15:40):
They're just kind of.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
Studio they kind of they were all over the place,
but they're scattered all over over. That's that's that's the change.

Speaker 5 (01:15:49):
That's the change.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Yeah, you know what I I don't mean, I have
a bunch of my self, you know, I just whatever
for different reasons for being thank you. It's a minute
to catch the cowboy hat just a minute though, that
is art.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
Did you know that was a cowboy hat?

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Get it?

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Back then, I thought I like discovered something a few
years ago and apparently everybody already knew.

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
That was that was that did you see that cowboy hat?

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
I thought it was a seagull? A couple a sum
questions as we're getting into it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
When you get up and you win your award, do
you have prepared who you're going to think and who's
going to say who you're going to think?

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
Is that even?

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
No, it's one of one of my my biggest regrets.
I think it's like I get up there and stumb around.
You always come on with like a good, good line,
and I should just do what I'm a dude, get out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Of your wife.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
Not true, and uh uh yeah, I never think about it.
I just think it's it's superstitious and bad. Don't expect it.
You know, you're setting yourself up.

Speaker 5 (01:16:53):
Did you feel that way with music?

Speaker 6 (01:16:55):
Though? Superstitious in what way?

Speaker 7 (01:16:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
Song is at number three? Do you talk about it
being number one?

Speaker 6 (01:17:01):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:17:01):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:03):
You radio guys were of course, calls a lot of
don't you don't get mine?

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
I don't get mine with any of that, Like, I
have nothing to do with that.

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
No, that's the monthly. Finally, I just had to turn
that off, you know, because the buddies jump up on
the bus or you know, co Riders or something and go, hey, man,
someone's the top five right now. It's like, I don't
know what it's like.

Speaker 18 (01:17:22):
There's so many charts. If you look at the right one,
it's number one somewhere. If it makes it to two
or three, it's number one somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
I want to ask you about Entertainer of the Year,
because you got it three times.

Speaker 11 (01:17:33):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Now you don't see any non singular artist when entertainer
of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
You guys want it back to back years and then
again like a few years later, and mostly want to
talk about the first time in the last time. But
let's do the first time they call your name as
entertainer of the year. What does that feel like?

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
Big, big boom, big shot?

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
Was it a shot?

Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
Yeah, big shot?

Speaker 19 (01:17:59):
You know, I don't remember who else, but I know Garth.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
Was center sitting right there. You know. I just gone
out and romped on the world, and uh.

Speaker 19 (01:18:09):
And Alan was generally in there, and.

Speaker 6 (01:18:15):
But I remember looking directly when I got up to
the second I did it. And Garth were talking about
it too. He said we made eye contact, and I
was like, I'm up there with like an oath whatever
that means. And I went, sorry, man, I'm sorry. We're
gonna take it anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Let's talk about the third time that you won, because
there was a few gap years in between. You go,
bang bang, back to back years. Me my brain, I
would go, why I don't want the last few? I'm
kind of over.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
That's what I would be thinking when it came to that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
I wonder with you guys you won, did you think
your minute at that that part was over?

Speaker 12 (01:18:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:18:55):
And I think it that it's so liked the one
way won recently. It uh, it's you feel like you
kind of deserved it. Maybe you know, we never had
I mean, we've always been scared and we've always I
feel like we're really both pretty damn humble at heart.

(01:19:17):
So you've got to have some got to have some
confidence about what you're doing. But entertainer, you know, it's
like when you win, it it's like, Okay, was.

Speaker 19 (01:19:26):
That was that a pat on the back or what?
Or what?

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
You know?

Speaker 18 (01:19:30):
But then the third time, after a couple of years,
it's like, maybe maybe that's the one. They're going, Okay,
you're for real that I get out of here.

Speaker 5 (01:19:41):
Yeah, that's just one song.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Play them out, boys, That's it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:48):
Entertained.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Now let's taken care of you. Let's talk about Reba.
How did that relationship become so strong?

Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
They were when we we first start went out early nineties,
not one whatever, there were only I think five major
tours out there, so it would be straight Garth uh events,
Uhlan and Reba. Yeah, but we're all up in roll

(01:20:18):
in Alabama. Yeah, and we got we got picked up
by to open you know, be the first act of
three uh by by Ribas Camp and uh you get
what I think maybe twenty minutes in.

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
A small part of the stage.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:34):
She even talked about it. She came back and said,
you know, when I first started, I was opening for
Charlie Daniels and he said, I wore high heels and
there was grapes right there. I had to walk through
my toes all the time. But uh so, yeah, I
mean she just kind of they that she and Narvel
bunch uh kind of you know, drag us drug us

(01:20:54):
along for a while.

Speaker 18 (01:20:55):
I'll tell you what was cool though, when we started
hitting the lick, you know, first Cup songs took off
and whatever, and we were out there and we were
had a fairly extended deal with them, and Norvely became
the dressing room one night and said, guys, y'all are
going to be around for a while and we don't
want you to hate us. And anyway, they doubled what

(01:21:16):
they were paying us at the time. I won't say
what that was, but it was like what a million.

Speaker 19 (01:21:24):
The record company gave us that one.

Speaker 18 (01:21:27):
But anyway, it was pretty cool that they said, you know,
we just you know, you guys are legit and we
definitely got a good deal on it, too good of
a deal. So you know, here's a little kiss.

Speaker 6 (01:21:41):
That's a class move.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
What's the human riba like?

Speaker 6 (01:21:46):
She's a she's she's a lot like what you see
she is there's she's a cowgirl. She's never sat still.
Her mother set calls for that. She bounce her, she's
she just doesn't stop. She's relentless that what she does.
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:22:05):
She's funny too, and loves to play board games.

Speaker 18 (01:22:08):
I mean literally, we're in Vegas, you know, to go
on top of the stage waving at the crowd, goodbao
on their feet whatever. As soon as that curtain comes together,
he goes, y'all want to play Ruby cuebe tonight?

Speaker 7 (01:22:19):
Okay, So because she knows. She plays it.

Speaker 18 (01:22:22):
Every night, So you can half ass play Ruby Cube
unless you're something wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:22:27):
With It's like Trivia Pursuit when you played fifty thousand
times in you all the answers. Yeah, like a long
day for the stile of the table.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
I want to ask you about two legacies, and I
would wrap this up the Brooks and Dune legacy.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
What's it gonna be? What did you want it to be?

Speaker 6 (01:22:45):
A series of good songs, lasting songs that are classics
that you can listen to. You know, we all usually
used to say that, use the word longevity, you know,
but just that kind of the music. Let the music
define you. You know, there's there's I mean, we work
on image and stuff like that just as crazy as anybody.
You know. We took everything west of Mississippi, went to

(01:23:06):
the desert, you know, and chased all that that look.
But at the at the end of the day, it's
it's the songs blat out is you know.

Speaker 18 (01:23:16):
The thing that's craziest to me at this point with
sort of this.

Speaker 19 (01:23:22):
Here we go again, you know, and I've.

Speaker 18 (01:23:25):
Said it for lack of a better description, when people go,
what do you think is happening with you guys right now,
and you know you're selling everything out that I go.
It really feels like because I didn't find Willie Nelson
till I was in college, when he'd.

Speaker 19 (01:23:39):
Already had a really cool career.

Speaker 18 (01:23:41):
In Nashville and written a lot of classic songs that
are still there, I didn't know. I hadn't heard really
heard of Willie Nelson. I like Merle Haggard and George Jones,
and but I was real close to the Willie picnics
and went him and whale and came went and kicked
the door down. I'm like, that was We're taking road
trips down to Austin and getting in the middle of

(01:24:02):
it with another forty thousand drunks, going this is the
funnest stuff in the world, and that guy is so
freaking cool. Not to compare us or our music to
Willie and Whalen in any way other than I think
a young group of music listeners found him and thought
that was cool and started sharing that, you know, and
I think it's just.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
It's really it feels great that I look.

Speaker 18 (01:24:28):
Out in the audience and every night go how many
all are at your first Brooks and Done shows?

Speaker 19 (01:24:32):
And watching those hands go up.

Speaker 6 (01:24:34):
Not before last?

Speaker 12 (01:24:35):
Was it not for last?

Speaker 6 (01:24:36):
Yeah, we're at the Houston Rodeo. Seventy one and thirty
six people. I know, because we're all always competing to
who has the biggest crowd of the rodeo, And so
you ask them in the middle of the show, he goes,
how many of you? Is this your first Brooks and
Dune show? And it's the Houston Rodeo. We've been there,
like in the Hall of Fame there and I swear

(01:25:00):
the whole place erupted. It was like, what what so?

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
And that's the legacy that you wanted, the legacy and
you get to live it now, which is so rare.

Speaker 19 (01:25:12):
I think the legacy is what Ronnie was saying.

Speaker 18 (01:25:15):
Because every year we did the craziest stuff we could
think of on stage, you know, inspired by zz Top
and a lot of rock bands that were doing you know,
Garth picked up on that too, but man, a lot
of things that we stole from rock bands that had
done this, from the Stones to zz Top, stuff I
had seen coming up, going.

Speaker 19 (01:25:36):
Oh we ought to do something like it. And I
won't even get into.

Speaker 18 (01:25:39):
All that, but just we tore up stuff and just
spent all this money just to see how freaking crazy
we could be on stage in terms of sets and
things we could do. Ronnie was always somewhat reserved, thank god,
or you know, we'd lost completely lost our minds. But
I really enjoyed that part of it. And at the
same time, with all the stupid I was wearing and

(01:26:01):
coming up with and all that, the fact that now
I don't hear anybody talking about it.

Speaker 19 (01:26:07):
It's we have these giant inflatable women that took four.

Speaker 18 (01:26:11):
Crew guys behind shaking them on stage because I'd seen
the Stones do that. It's it's the coolest thing I
ever saw us. Probably not so much, but we did
it well.

Speaker 9 (01:26:19):
That was a result.

Speaker 6 (01:26:20):
All this crazy stuff was a result of like you
said earlier, country country like it got to that rock
status level. We would play Friday night. Erol Smith would
play near Chicago, we'd play right behind him next night.
So you're coming in, you gotta go. We need a
few more trucks with stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
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