March 14, 2026 • 14 mins
Originally aired on March 14, 2026. Doug's insightful interview with Travis Carter from Carter's Country, for your listening pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome back. Took some took some wrangling, as
(00:04):
they say, but Travis and I are hooked up right now.
We've got him on the phone. Let me go click
this button.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome Carter.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mister Carter, how.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You know what I'm doing?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I finally found you here. I was getting a little
antsy about this. I'm glad we got it done though, man,
I we just had a different number. I think that
was your cell phone number I was trying to call,
or or was that a what's the three four six number?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
That's my that's my work phone.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Oh no, wonder all right, Well, anyway, we got you
on your cell phone. Are you driving or are you
just sitting back somewhere?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
No, no, just just got to work here. We opened
the doors at Carter's Country about thirty minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Oh good for you.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Uh yeah, yep, sitting in the back office.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Okay, I know exactly where you are then. Uh So,
what I want to do in this segment is really
talk about the ranches, okay, and specifically South Texas, the
som Burrito and everything around that. I know you've got
you got cotton mace up in Colorado. You've got a
patche springs in the hill country. But today I want
to talk about South Texas if we can, and just
kind of changes in the past fifteen twenty years. Well,
(01:12):
first of all, talk about the history of the song burrito,
how it started in how much history there really is
down there.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Oh, it's incredible. What's going on down there?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
The billing Ellen carter Back nineteen seventy eight, I believe
bought the first piece of sombrito. It is now totally
just in their eleven thousand acres dead center of Webb County,
true Golden Triangle. It's one hundred percent native. My grandfather
always kept it that way.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Deer breeding came about and he was always kind of
not adverse to it, but it just wasn't his vibe.
I always stayed with the native herd and no DNP pens,
no triple T ever, So the history down there, I mean,
he started commercially.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Hunting in the early mid eighties.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
He was kind of a pioneer in the industry and
a pioneer as far as white tail management goes as well,
something little feeding all of that. He was kind of
ahead of his time or in a small group that
they were all ahead of the time, I guess to
be honest. And all we do now is just try
to try to keep it, keep it rolling, and try
to use Bill Carr's mentality white tail management and again,
(02:14):
just further progress is all we're doing now.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And what it's proved down there without bringing in any
more deer, is that Texas genetics are pretty darn good
when those bucks are managed, right, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
We've been still blessed that ranch has produced some of
the biggest native deer in Texas for the last you know,
five decades yea, and now here in the last five
to six years.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I mean, we're we are extremely blessed. You know.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
We've been working on our age age age structure and
our depth charted on each class and been very blessed
to harvest I think seven deer, eight deer over two
hundred in the last five years, which is not a
not a not an easy thing to do on that genetics,
but holy god, Yeah, it's very very, very impressive with
that ranch and and Webb County and the Golden Trangle
(03:02):
produces a year for year, you're seeing a larger take
on whitetail management from a bigger of the hunting community now,
which is pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
What percentage of South Texas ranch is not not necessarily
to the degree that you guys manage them, but just
are under professional management. What percentage of those ranches are
that way?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I would say almost, I'd say seventy plus percent for sure.
It's quite a culture down there. You know, if you
haven't hunted South Texas, but the ones that have. The
South Texas white tail culture is huge, a lot of
pride in that, a lot of people that are that
that enjoyed doing that. So even if it's not a
necessarily hunted place as far as commercial side, but all
(03:44):
your lease holders now, especially in those areas, I mean
the least values are extremely high, so you have people
that are very plugged in, pay a lot of attention.
So the management side is definitely it could be greater
than seventy percent.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean, it's very very intense down there.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, it makes sense because that that that's a very
valuable resource for you. Has the landscape changed at all
from the mesquite and prickly pair and pregrass not.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
On some brito, No, sir, there's quite a bit of
you know, Laredo, as it grows, you're seeing a little
bit of the brush go away, but some Britos still
the same. A lot of the area is so not
too much landscape change, not really.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
What about say the last ten to fifteen years, more
dry years or more wet years.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
We've had more dry than wet, coming off with two great,
great years for us last year. Everybody caught the rain
in southeast that we did in prime times. But we
are working on some pretty dry brush at the moment.
Talking about some rain down there currently.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, talk about how that impacts antler growth and why.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, big things with deer as really any management of
any kind of game nutrition, age, water, not in any
specific order there.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So with water you have to have one.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Okay, big thing in South Texas is you know, the
natural foliage. The protein content is so high. That's why
it's known as a golden triangle. And that's why it's
always produced bigger deer, bigger bodied, larger antlers because the
nutritional plane is lifted for them there. So on good
wet years, you know, our feed bill gets cut in
half because they can go back to the brush and
(05:20):
they're getting the same protein that we're feeding out of
feeders right from the brush itself. So rain in South
Texas is very, very beneficial to antler growth and this
overall health of the herd.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Talk about if you would the introduction down there and
whether it's a lot or a little of exotics. Is
that still coming in or is it more of a
hill country thanks to you.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
That's gonna be to me, at least what I what
I can see, that's gonna be more of the hill country.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
We do stay though, in a pretty tight not tight knit,
but a pretty small circle of white tailed people. So
you know, our friends in the brush country and all
that are just white tail fanatics more than anything.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
We don't have.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Anybody around that I know of that is doing much
with exotics.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
You hear a few places, but yeah, it's it's very
very heavy in the hill country.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I mean, everybody in the hill country's got exotics, Texas exotics,
African exotics.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Everything I've heard of war hogs in South Texas. Is
that real?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I've heard that as well.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I haven't seen any, but I'm hoping, but I don't
know if it's a hope or what.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But I wouldn't mind seeing one.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But yeah, to be careful what you wish for, man,
I know, I know, Oh my gosh. Well and kind
of along the same line.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
The last time I think it was that Joe Dogget
and I went down there together. We came across some
people on the ranch that shouldn't have been there. Is
the unwanted foot traffic down in the past year or so.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Very down good in the past probably five to eight years.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Really Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
They moved the border check up the road towards ins
and all four US, and I think, you know, I
don't know the border efforts of.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
What's taken there, but you don't see much traffic.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I can remember going down there and on some of
those ranches seeing ladders, just ladders built over out of rebar,
built over the fences so that the the fences wouldn't
get cut.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And that was one hundred percent built. Carter move on
list some Brito one thousand percent. It makes sure to
have them.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, just let let everything go on without losing any stuff.
And the land itself or some of the bigger ranches
being split into smaller parcels.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Now you are, yeah, you're seeing quite a bit of that.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You've seen some big tracks here recently, they're they're you know,
it's a shame.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I think a lot of it's family dispute.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Or yeah, I'm not for me to speak on, you know,
but it's yeah, you're seeing quite a bit of a
split of sell offs, a lot of industrial development down
that area as well, So you're seeing that encroach on
quite a few people.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And that's too bad. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You know, these these ranches and you can only imagine
that as the family grows and you know, ninety percent
doesn't have interest in does I mean, what what's the
end goal there?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
What's going to happen?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know, Yeah, they're either going to split it up
into littleer, smaller parcels, or they're gonna sell it and
uh and then it will be split probably into smaller places,
who knows, But you know, it's I understand if somebody,
if somebody grew up in a ranch family and then
went off to college and had never seen city life
(08:24):
and never had that many friends around them all the time,
it's a pretty attractive thing to young people. But uh yeah,
and some of them just don't want to go back
to that country life. And it requires a lot of
hands on to take care of a ranch like that.
They can't just hire out a bunch of people and
never go down there. And I can see the lure
(08:48):
also of the money. Yeah, sell half the ranch and
everybody's rich and nobody's unhappy.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah yeah, land rich and cash poor. Yeah, and they
flip it. They'll be cash rich and land yep.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh, well, it happens when the Airs want a separate piece. Sombritto,
bru sombrito. Still, those three same parcels is when I
got to go down.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There, Yes, sir, with a sombrito pastor the ring found passion,
the panitas.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Oh yes, panitas. Just do you still? Do you hunt
it yet commercially?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh? Yeah? Yeah? All the rams?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Oh okay, okay, that was yeah, I can some of
the most fun that Joe and I got, And I'm
flashing back of that because it was so fun. We
would go down there and Bill would say, okay, I
want you all to go hunt this portion of panitas
or this portion of ring connor whatever, and the little
portion that we got to hunt, and he would tell us,
(09:44):
he says, look, you guys, know what an old deer
looks like. You know what a young one does? And
just to shoot a mature buck. If you like it,
take it, and we would be cut loose on twenty
five hundred acres like holdly cawn, you know, go see
what you can. Fine, And it was just it was
like being on the moon for us, you know. We
(10:05):
just had all the room in the world to walk around,
and and every time you'd turn a corner out scouting
or whatever, that you'd see deer out there, and like,
holy cow, that's a pretty good one. And yeah, it
was just so fun. And I'm glad that that region
still looks like that. I really am.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I can only imagine back in the day too, just
being able to get out there, like you're saying, and.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, cut your own path through the brush and now
you used to hunt back then. Been pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
The best deer I got off that place came out
of a groundstand that i'd put up the afternoon before. Yeah,
we saw this deer and I said, let me out,
he goes, we'll come back. I said, no, let me out.
I'm gonna build a ground bline and I'm coming back
here in the morning. And I did, and I got
a pretty nice buck, best one I ever shot down there.
It wasn't It wasn't big, It wasn't super big by
(10:53):
any stretch of your imagination, but it was. It was
the best one I got, and it was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's about the memories more than anything, isn't it though.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That's that's what it should be, too, dog gone it
that's what it should be. Cool piece of property, man,
big piece of property too to write. I thought about it.
And if you ran from one, if you ran from
the front to the back and then back to the front,
that's pretty much a marathon, yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, my grandfather used to. He used to walk the
ranch every birthday.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Oh my lord, Yeah, eleven mile stretch there.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, except no rattlesnakes on marathon routes. I guess, huh,
what what is your best best memory so far? From
sam burto.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh man, there's a pile of them.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
But being able to be out there with my grandfather
was some of the greatest times, I mean in my life.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I reflect on them often.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
And one one day we spent the entire day moving
his troughs to the summer locations.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I didn't even know that was a thing until that. What.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, we'd moved the troughs to summer locations, and I
mean you taught me how to tidd nots.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
We shared a chew of Levic Garrett.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You know, just just one of those days that you
can't you can't replicate. No, that's probably my number one there,
But a lot of memories there were very blessed to
do what we do and spend a lot of great
time to brush with a lot of great clients as well.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And I mean countless memories.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
My grandmother and I were talking about the other day
and she was saying something about.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Some bread once.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
How you know, my heart lives down there, So yeah,
it sits there.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Wow, in endless list.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
There any erawheads still being found down there?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
There might be a few.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
They kind of got plucked out over the years, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, there's there's some beautiful artifacts in the area, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, I honestly I would bet that. You know, if
you just literally mind the place for arawheads, you'd find
enough of them to fill a basketball court man, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, it's pretty impressive, really it was.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's got to be a uh thinking back to when
that was how people hunted and that was the only
way they hunted. That had to be a hard life
down there.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Oh, I know that ars clions had to hunt like that, nobody.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Really, I got news for you. If you set it
up that way, you're not gonna have any clients. All right, Man,
tell everybody's hello for me, will you?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Travis? I absolutely will you have a blessed Saturday. I
appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, you too, man, Idios, talk to you soon. Yeah,
Travis Carter, Carter's Country. He's up at the store right now.
Go up there and tell him. I said, hello, good guy,
he really is. His grandfather taught me more about deer
hunting than probably all the other people I've talked about
with deer about deer hunting too, have taught me over
(13:41):
the years. I just rode around with him so much,
just rode around and listened to what he was telling
his ranch hands and listened to what he was telling
hunters back in camp or whatever, and it just I
just soaked it all in. It's amazing. Taught me how
to age deer on the hoof and trusted me enough
(14:02):
to take me up to Cotton Mesa in Colorado and
explain to the guys who were running that ranch up
there when he bought it, that you can indeed age
elk basically the same way you can deer with very
few little tweaks, And yeah, I owe that man a lot.
(14:23):
Bill Carter was one of the brightest and most giving
guys I've ever met. He really was. He'd tell you
anything you wanted to know, because he wanted your place
to be great too, just like his was.
All right, welcome back. Took some took some wrangling, as
(00:04):
they say, but Travis and I are hooked up right now.
We've got him on the phone. Let me go click
this button.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome Carter.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Mister Carter, how.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Are you, sir?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You know what I'm doing?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I finally found you here. I was getting a little
antsy about this. I'm glad we got it done though, man,
I we just had a different number. I think that
was your cell phone number I was trying to call,
or or was that a what's the three four six number?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
That's my that's my work phone.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Oh no, wonder all right, Well, anyway, we got you
on your cell phone. Are you driving or are you
just sitting back somewhere?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
No, no, just just got to work here. We opened
the doors at Carter's Country about thirty minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Oh good for you.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Uh yeah, yep, sitting in the back office.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Okay, I know exactly where you are then. Uh So,
what I want to do in this segment is really
talk about the ranches, okay, and specifically South Texas, the
som Burrito and everything around that. I know you've got
you got cotton mace up in Colorado. You've got a
patche springs in the hill country. But today I want
to talk about South Texas if we can, and just
kind of changes in the past fifteen twenty years. Well,
(01:12):
first of all, talk about the history of the song burrito,
how it started in how much history there really is
down there.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Oh, it's incredible. What's going on down there?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
The billing Ellen carter Back nineteen seventy eight, I believe
bought the first piece of sombrito. It is now totally
just in their eleven thousand acres dead center of Webb County,
true Golden Triangle. It's one hundred percent native. My grandfather
always kept it that way.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Deer breeding came about and he was always kind of
not adverse to it, but it just wasn't his vibe.
I always stayed with the native herd and no DNP pens,
no triple T ever, So the history down there, I mean,
he started commercially.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Hunting in the early mid eighties.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
He was kind of a pioneer in the industry and
a pioneer as far as white tail management goes as well,
something little feeding all of that. He was kind of
ahead of his time or in a small group that
they were all ahead of the time, I guess to
be honest. And all we do now is just try
to try to keep it, keep it rolling, and try
to use Bill Carr's mentality white tail management and again,
(02:14):
just further progress is all we're doing now.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And what it's proved down there without bringing in any
more deer, is that Texas genetics are pretty darn good
when those bucks are managed, right, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
We've been still blessed that ranch has produced some of
the biggest native deer in Texas for the last you know,
five decades yea, and now here in the last five
to six years.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I mean, we're we are extremely blessed. You know.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
We've been working on our age age age structure and
our depth charted on each class and been very blessed
to harvest I think seven deer, eight deer over two
hundred in the last five years, which is not a
not a not an easy thing to do on that genetics,
but holy god, Yeah, it's very very, very impressive with
that ranch and and Webb County and the Golden Trangle
(03:02):
produces a year for year, you're seeing a larger take
on whitetail management from a bigger of the hunting community now,
which is pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
What percentage of South Texas ranch is not not necessarily
to the degree that you guys manage them, but just
are under professional management. What percentage of those ranches are
that way?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I would say almost, I'd say seventy plus percent for sure.
It's quite a culture down there. You know, if you
haven't hunted South Texas, but the ones that have. The
South Texas white tail culture is huge, a lot of
pride in that, a lot of people that are that
that enjoyed doing that. So even if it's not a
necessarily hunted place as far as commercial side, but all
(03:44):
your lease holders now, especially in those areas, I mean
the least values are extremely high, so you have people
that are very plugged in, pay a lot of attention.
So the management side is definitely it could be greater
than seventy percent.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean, it's very very intense down there.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, it makes sense because that that that's a very
valuable resource for you. Has the landscape changed at all
from the mesquite and prickly pair and pregrass not.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
On some brito, No, sir, there's quite a bit of
you know, Laredo, as it grows, you're seeing a little
bit of the brush go away, but some Britos still
the same. A lot of the area is so not
too much landscape change, not really.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
What about say the last ten to fifteen years, more
dry years or more wet years.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
We've had more dry than wet, coming off with two great,
great years for us last year. Everybody caught the rain
in southeast that we did in prime times. But we
are working on some pretty dry brush at the moment.
Talking about some rain down there currently.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, talk about how that impacts antler growth and why.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, big things with deer as really any management of
any kind of game nutrition, age, water, not in any
specific order there.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So with water you have to have one.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Okay, big thing in South Texas is you know, the
natural foliage. The protein content is so high. That's why
it's known as a golden triangle. And that's why it's
always produced bigger deer, bigger bodied, larger antlers because the
nutritional plane is lifted for them there. So on good
wet years, you know, our feed bill gets cut in
half because they can go back to the brush and
(05:20):
they're getting the same protein that we're feeding out of
feeders right from the brush itself. So rain in South
Texas is very, very beneficial to antler growth and this
overall health of the herd.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Talk about if you would the introduction down there and
whether it's a lot or a little of exotics. Is
that still coming in or is it more of a
hill country thanks to you.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
That's gonna be to me, at least what I what
I can see, that's gonna be more of the hill country.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
We do stay though, in a pretty tight not tight knit,
but a pretty small circle of white tailed people. So
you know, our friends in the brush country and all
that are just white tail fanatics more than anything.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
We don't have.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Anybody around that I know of that is doing much
with exotics.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
You hear a few places, but yeah, it's it's very
very heavy in the hill country.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I mean, everybody in the hill country's got exotics, Texas exotics,
African exotics.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Everything I've heard of war hogs in South Texas. Is
that real?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I've heard that as well.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I haven't seen any, but I'm hoping, but I don't
know if it's a hope or what.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But I wouldn't mind seeing one.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But yeah, to be careful what you wish for, man,
I know, I know, Oh my gosh. Well and kind
of along the same line.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
The last time I think it was that Joe Dogget
and I went down there together. We came across some
people on the ranch that shouldn't have been there. Is
the unwanted foot traffic down in the past year or so.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Very down good in the past probably five to eight years.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Really Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
They moved the border check up the road towards ins
and all four US, and I think, you know, I
don't know the border efforts of.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
What's taken there, but you don't see much traffic.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I can remember going down there and on some of
those ranches seeing ladders, just ladders built over out of rebar,
built over the fences so that the the fences wouldn't
get cut.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
And that was one hundred percent built. Carter move on
list some Brito one thousand percent. It makes sure to
have them.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, just let let everything go on without losing any stuff.
And the land itself or some of the bigger ranches
being split into smaller parcels.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Now you are, yeah, you're seeing quite a bit of that.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You've seen some big tracks here recently, they're they're you know,
it's a shame.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I think a lot of it's family dispute.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Or yeah, I'm not for me to speak on, you know,
but it's yeah, you're seeing quite a bit of a
split of sell offs, a lot of industrial development down
that area as well, So you're seeing that encroach on
quite a few people.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And that's too bad. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You know, these these ranches and you can only imagine
that as the family grows and you know, ninety percent
doesn't have interest in does I mean, what what's the
end goal there?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
What's going to happen?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know, Yeah, they're either going to split it up
into littleer, smaller parcels, or they're gonna sell it and
uh and then it will be split probably into smaller places,
who knows, But you know, it's I understand if somebody,
if somebody grew up in a ranch family and then
went off to college and had never seen city life
(08:24):
and never had that many friends around them all the time,
it's a pretty attractive thing to young people. But uh yeah,
and some of them just don't want to go back
to that country life. And it requires a lot of
hands on to take care of a ranch like that.
They can't just hire out a bunch of people and
never go down there. And I can see the lure
(08:48):
also of the money. Yeah, sell half the ranch and
everybody's rich and nobody's unhappy.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah yeah, land rich and cash poor. Yeah, and they
flip it. They'll be cash rich and land yep.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh, well, it happens when the Airs want a separate piece. Sombritto,
bru sombrito. Still, those three same parcels is when I
got to go down.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There, Yes, sir, with a sombrito pastor the ring found passion,
the panitas.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Oh yes, panitas. Just do you still? Do you hunt
it yet commercially?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh? Yeah? Yeah? All the rams?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Oh okay, okay, that was yeah, I can some of
the most fun that Joe and I got, And I'm
flashing back of that because it was so fun. We
would go down there and Bill would say, okay, I
want you all to go hunt this portion of panitas
or this portion of ring connor whatever, and the little
portion that we got to hunt, and he would tell us,
(09:44):
he says, look, you guys, know what an old deer
looks like. You know what a young one does? And
just to shoot a mature buck. If you like it,
take it, and we would be cut loose on twenty
five hundred acres like holdly cawn, you know, go see
what you can. Fine, And it was just it was
like being on the moon for us, you know. We
(10:05):
just had all the room in the world to walk around,
and and every time you'd turn a corner out scouting
or whatever, that you'd see deer out there, and like,
holy cow, that's a pretty good one. And yeah, it
was just so fun. And I'm glad that that region
still looks like that. I really am.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I can only imagine back in the day too, just
being able to get out there, like you're saying, and.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, cut your own path through the brush and now
you used to hunt back then. Been pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
The best deer I got off that place came out
of a groundstand that i'd put up the afternoon before. Yeah,
we saw this deer and I said, let me out,
he goes, we'll come back. I said, no, let me out.
I'm gonna build a ground bline and I'm coming back
here in the morning. And I did, and I got
a pretty nice buck, best one I ever shot down there.
It wasn't It wasn't big, It wasn't super big by
(10:53):
any stretch of your imagination, but it was. It was
the best one I got, and it was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's about the memories more than anything, isn't it though.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That's that's what it should be, too, dog gone it
that's what it should be. Cool piece of property, man,
big piece of property too to write. I thought about it.
And if you ran from one, if you ran from
the front to the back and then back to the front,
that's pretty much a marathon, yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, my grandfather used to. He used to walk the
ranch every birthday.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Oh my lord, Yeah, eleven mile stretch there.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, except no rattlesnakes on marathon routes. I guess, huh,
what what is your best best memory so far? From
sam burto.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh man, there's a pile of them.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
But being able to be out there with my grandfather
was some of the greatest times, I mean in my life.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I reflect on them often.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
And one one day we spent the entire day moving
his troughs to the summer locations.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I didn't even know that was a thing until that. What.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, we'd moved the troughs to summer locations, and I
mean you taught me how to tidd nots.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
We shared a chew of Levic Garrett.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You know, just just one of those days that you
can't you can't replicate. No, that's probably my number one there,
But a lot of memories there were very blessed to
do what we do and spend a lot of great
time to brush with a lot of great clients as well.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And I mean countless memories.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
My grandmother and I were talking about the other day
and she was saying something about.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Some bread once.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
How you know, my heart lives down there, So yeah,
it sits there.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Wow, in endless list.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
There any erawheads still being found down there?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
There might be a few.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
They kind of got plucked out over the years, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, there's there's some beautiful artifacts in the area, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, I honestly I would bet that. You know, if
you just literally mind the place for arawheads, you'd find
enough of them to fill a basketball court man, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, it's pretty impressive, really it was.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's got to be a uh thinking back to when
that was how people hunted and that was the only
way they hunted. That had to be a hard life
down there.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Oh, I know that ars clions had to hunt like that, nobody.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Really, I got news for you. If you set it
up that way, you're not gonna have any clients. All right, Man,
tell everybody's hello for me, will you?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Travis? I absolutely will you have a blessed Saturday. I
appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, you too, man, Idios, talk to you soon. Yeah,
Travis Carter, Carter's Country. He's up at the store right now.
Go up there and tell him. I said, hello, good guy,
he really is. His grandfather taught me more about deer
hunting than probably all the other people I've talked about
with deer about deer hunting too, have taught me over
(13:41):
the years. I just rode around with him so much,
just rode around and listened to what he was telling
his ranch hands and listened to what he was telling
hunters back in camp or whatever, and it just I
just soaked it all in. It's amazing. Taught me how
to age deer on the hoof and trusted me enough
(14:02):
to take me up to Cotton Mesa in Colorado and
explain to the guys who were running that ranch up
there when he bought it, that you can indeed age
elk basically the same way you can deer with very
few little tweaks, And yeah, I owe that man a lot.
(14:23):
Bill Carter was one of the brightest and most giving
guys I've ever met. He really was. He'd tell you
anything you wanted to know, because he wanted your place
to be great too, just like his was.
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