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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Michael Berry Show. Welcome to another exciting edition of
The Michael Berry Show Archive podcast. That means something that
aired before but we really liked and we hope you
will as well. Sheriff David Clark. He's the black guy
with a very stern look. He always has a cowboy
hat on in uniform. He's the sheriff. We like Sheriff
(00:24):
David Clark, and he shares our views, which is, we
have laws in order to preserve order and protect the
weak and the innocent, and to help get rid of
the bad guys. He was the sheriff of Milwaukee County,
Wisconsin from two thousand and two to twenty seventeen, where
(00:46):
he took some pretty tough stances which made him very
popular across the country. He is a Democrat with conservative leanings,
and I think he's no longer a Democrat, but he's
started life as a Democrat and still is considered a
Democrat who to my knowledge, I don't know that he
ever changed parties per se, but I think, like most people,
(01:09):
the Democrat Party left him behind. He didn't change, they did.
In twenty sixteen, he spoke at the Republican National Convention
in support of Donald Trump's presidential campaign, and that really
pushed his national profile even further. He was considered for
a role in President Trump's administration, but he ultimately did
(01:31):
not take a formal position. I had the honor of
talking to Sheriff Clark back in twenty fifteen, and we
enjoyed this interview, and we hope you do as well.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I don't know, maybe six months ago, we made a
double declaration on the Michael Berry Show. We in one
fell swoop, first time this had ever been done. We
replace our favorite sheriff in America with a new favorite sheriff,
and we named our favorite Democrat in America. And it
(02:13):
was all the same person in the pantheon of sheriffs.
We like it would be Newell Norman in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana,
Joe R. Pyo out of Americopa County and Arizona, and
this fellow, a favorite sheriff and a favorite Democrat, all
(02:39):
in one fell swoop from Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clark.
Thanks for being our guest, Sir.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Michael, Well, what and honor. I'm humbled by that, And
hello to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Let's talk about some of the things you've said of late.
I suspect there are a number of sheriffs around the
country who share your sentiment, but very few who would
be willing to go on the record and say the
things that you've said, because it brings a lot of
enemies upon you, not the least of which is talking
(03:13):
about what you call the myth of police officers gunning
down black males. And let me say, I get the
sense listening to you, I get the sense that you
don't say this so much as a law enforcement man,
but as a human being who looks at other young
(03:35):
black men and says I can save some. This isn't
being angry at young black men. This is loving young
black men and wanting to save some.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Without a doubt and absolutely what this is all about.
And I've said, if we want to end these deadly encounters,
we can't just focus on police behavior. We have to
focus on the behavior of many of these young black
men and these police encounters, young black men who have
no respect for authority, who would fight and try to
(04:08):
disarm a law enforcement officer at the drop of a hat,
would flee a lawn officer, which is a law enforcement officer,
which is a very dangerous situation to put an officer in,
and it's also dangerous for the person being pursued because
now you have so much uncertainty and decisions have to
be made and split seconds and now seconds, and you know,
(04:33):
oftentimes the result is that the you know, it doesn't
turn out well for the perpetrator. And so you know,
it's very simple. You look at Mike Brown. Mike Brown
was simply told to get out of the roadway. If
he gets back up on the curb, out of the roadway,
he's alive today. We still well would never have heard
of ferguson Missouri if Eric Carner would have put his
(04:55):
hands behind his back like the officer told him that.
The NYPD officer said, you're under arrest, put your hands
behind your back, A very simple thing to do. And
had Eric Garner done that, Eric Garner be alive today.
And we can go on and on and on, and
so I try to focus on the behavior because it's
a two way street. These things are very uh. These
(05:16):
these these circumstances are chaotic and uncertain for the law
enforcement officer, and they can end up being deadly for
the person on the other end. So if we want
to really reduce the likelihood of a deadly encounter between
any police officer and any citizen, we have to remind
the citizenry that they have a duty and an obligation
(05:38):
to comply with the law enforcement officer's lawful commands. I
don't know why, Michael, these these you know, people like
the President of the United States, who has a big stage,
why you won't say this, he's so quick to want
to transform the professional policing of which he knows nothing about.
By the way, although he always thinks he's the smartest
(05:59):
guy in the room, but he doesn't understand that he
is an opportunity here to lead, all right, to be
a mentor to a lot of these young black men
in these urban ghettos with a message, a message of responsibility.
And if you don't like the way you treat it,
because I understand there are cops who are rude and
(06:22):
can be officious, then you use the system, You make
the complaint, and you pursue it that way. You do
not start fighting the police on the street, because you're
not going to win.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Sheriff Clark, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin. In the course of your career,
I mean at least media coverage has increased in this
and you know, we had problems in the late nineteen
sixties with riots and things. But if you were to
attribute one reason to one sort of social cultural change
(06:56):
that is leading not necessarily to an increase in crime,
but to an increase in resentment toward anger toward and
violence toward law enforcement, what would you attribute.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That to Modern liberalism without a doubt. I don't even
have to think about that or ponderate. Modern liberalism is
conduct without borders. Modern liberalism has been a wrecking ball
on Americans urban centers and has had a profound effect
on the Black community and the black family structure. Modern
(07:27):
liberalism has encouraged single parent families. Modern liberalism celebrates black
under achievement. Modern liberalism blames others for flawed lifestyle choices.
When we hear this thing about you know, important people
saying the riots in Baltimore and Ferguson of the result
of slavery and Jim Crow and discrimination, which is nothing
(07:50):
more than a big lie. The people of that era,
slavery and Jim Crow, the blacks of that era, would
condemn the sort of behavior we're seeing out of people
today in terms of lifestyle choices like father absent homes,
like school failure, like not staying consistently in the workforce.
(08:10):
Black people during the post Civil War and even the
Jim Crow area were very industrious, wanted to work. Many
of them fled the South to come north looking for
work during the Industrial Revolution. That's why I said they
would shun this stuff today. And yet we have people
today making excuses which goes back to modern liberalism, which
(08:34):
excuses olive horned behavior, and it says, it's not your fault,
it's somebody else's fault, it's the white man's faulted, the
police fault, it's everybody else's fault but your own, when instead,
what we should be doing is holding a mirror to
these individuals and saying that person looking back at you
is the major cause, and then say the only one,
the major cause of many of your problems, and you
(08:55):
need to start take doing some soul searching first before
you start lapsing out at other people, like the Institution
of Policing.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Sureff. David Clark is our guest. I have about forty
five seconds left in this segment. The response you get
from within your own county, I know what it is
across the country. Is it overwhelmingly positive?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Overwhelmingly positive. I have my paters and detractors, but many
of those are the gate keeping blacks and the extreme
left liberals for doing the attacking. But I have the
support of the people back here in Milwaukee County. I
wouldn't be here today if I didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, I note that you were first appointed by Governor
McCallum and then re elected in six twenty ten, in
twenty fourteen. It's your county's voters that matter most, so
that's why you do what you do, and obviously you're
in touch with them. Can you hold with us for
a moment?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Sureff. David Clark, Milwaukee County is our guest. More with
him coming up next. I do love everyone, but I
must confess I really really like David Clark. This PSA
is what caught my attention about him.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I'm sure if David Clark and I want to talk
to you about something personal, simply calling nine one one
in waiting is no longer your best option. Consider taking
a certified safety course and handling of firearms so you
can defend yourself until we get there. If a duty
to protect yourself from your family. We're partners now. Can
I count on you?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Listen to this again and tell me the last time
you ever heard a law man tell you to make
sure that you take care of yourself because you have
a responsibility to do it.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I'm sure if David Clark and I want to talk
to you about something personal, simply calling nine one one
in waiting is no longer your best option. Consider taking
a certified safety course and handling of firearms so you
can defend yourself until we get there. If a duty
to protect yourself from your family, We're partners now, Can
I count on you?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
David Clark is our guest and Sheriff Clark correct me
if I'm wrong, but I was advised during the break
that I made a mistake. You are not an avowed Democrat.
You ran as a Democrat and have made very clear
that the Sheriff's office should be a non partisan race.
So if I'm correct in that and you sent to that,
my apologies. You consider yourself an independent, Michael's no problem.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
You know. I shoot the party labels. I think between
Republicans and Democrats at all levels of government all across
the country, to the ruling class, the part of the
problem collectively, and so I remind people don't depend on
a party vote the person. Examine the person, regardless of
what letter they have after their name, and their views
(11:38):
line up, their philosophies line up with yours, and that's
the person to go with, regardless of what party they're
involved with. I've never belonged to a political party and
probably never will. I'm a conservative, but it's about the
far that's about the extent of my political involvement is
my conservative leanings.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Milwaukee Sheriff David Clark that PSA alone, your outspoken, then
Piers Morgan's show, you've taken some positions outside what typical
law enforcement are willing to do, and I admire you
for the boldness to do that. Let me ask you
on another subject that law enforcement, at least active duty
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law enforcement, have been somewhat silent on. It appears to
me that much of our war on drugs has simply
criminalized many young people, often in the inner city, and
distracted the resources of police. Not every law enforcement officer
agrees with me on that, but I found that many do.
Your thoughts on our drug.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Laws, well, I think we need to re examine this
war on drugs. I don't think we should abandon it,
but the model we're using is when we've been using
for a long time and sometimes take a look. For me,
we saw it in Iraq, we saw it in Afghanistan,
but things aren't going well, you reassess if you remember
(12:58):
what the surge did, it was just it was it
was an adjustment to what was going on. So I
think we could use that model here. Look, drugs are
the scourge of our urban centers, especially the American ghetto.
The sales and the use of it have led to
high levels of violence. So I'm more concerned about the
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violence associated with the drug use. I'm not saying I
don't care about drug use, but you know, hey, if
an individual, you know, wants to engage in that sort
of behavior, there's going to be consequences for that individual.
And it doesn't necessarily have to be you know, arresting
with a prison, but you know, there's the health concerns,
there's the effect that it might have on your productivity
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or ability to get a job. And I don't want
any tax supported drug rehab programs. I think we're going
to let individuals make those sorts of choices. Flawed lifestyle choices.
They have to bear the consequences. So I'm going to say,
you know, I want to say, if you want to
go out and engage in that kind of risk of behavior, fine,
but then don't ask me and don't ask how the
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taxpayers to help get you out of it through some
government sponsored drug rehab program. Find your own drug rehead program.
You pay for it.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clark is our guest. You have
been outspoken against this twenty first century policing initiative. Can
you talk about that?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Sure, it's been nothing more than sure aid that a
it's a dog and pony show put together very quickly
for political expediency by the President of the United States
after the Ferguson riots. What I was real disappointed about
is in putting that together he did not have one
elected sheriff represented on the panel. We report directly to
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the people. Okay, we're at ground level. He had a
police chief or two on there. They are appointed bureaucrats,
and the ones that he had on there are well
known lap dogs. Okay, their career bureaucrats, lap dogs for
the Democrat Party and some of their liberal philosophies on
policing in America. And then the rest of the panel
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was made up of academic elitists who sit in ivory towers.
They're far removed from life at ground level in these
American ghettos, and they didn't have any real representative from
the street cop, all right, the person who's out there
every day. So they come down with these decrees and
these mandates and they shove it at the street cop
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to beat officers, say, here, go implement this and then
come back and let us know how it went. And
I think that's cruel. I think if you're going to
have an honest task force, then you have to have
representatives from the rank and file police officers. So they
come out with these recommendations, you know, most of which
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are just nonsense. What came out of that was the
President of the United States said the Baltimore Police Department
was a model agency in unbiased policing and commit unity policing,
and he recommended that every law enforcement office to look
at the book Baltimore PD and emulate them. Two months later,
after the riots in Baltimore, the US Department of Justice
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just the same President of the United States Department of
Justice is now investigating the Baltimore Police for pattern and
practices of bias policing. That's why I said, this whole
thing is a charade. So he went to Camden the
other day and said, Camden's now the model. So look
for them to be investigated by the DOJ as well.
So you know, again, we got a guy who, and
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I say that respect at least the president of the
United States, he knows nothing about local policing. He may
be the commander in chief of the US military, he
is not the commander of the Milwaukee County Sheriff's office.
I am. I'll decide what's best for the men and
women of my organization, and I encourage other chiefs and
sheriffs across the country to push back against this. One
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science fits all because it'll be a disaster, just like
everything else that the president and then it's put.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
His hands on you know, I've always it's been an
internal debate over whether law enforcement officials should be elected
or appointed. And you may be the best example of
how successful one can be as an elected official, because
you have to be accountable to the very people that
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you have to arrest. And it seems to have worked
out well. I have appreciated your outspokenness on a number
of issues, and I know, I know you have been
asked by a lot of people. It's been written about
widely in Milwaukee to run for mayor next year, and
I want you to know. You let me know, and
I will write you the first check and it will
be sizeable for your campaign if you do run, and
(17:45):
I'll hold you the biggest fundraiser you've had in the
state of Texas the minute you announce, because I think
you should be the mayor and beyond. I really appreciate
your outspokenness, your common sense, and your leadership, and so
thank you for your service to this country.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Michael's the pleasure to serving. God bless Texas.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
All right, thank you, sir Texas. That's the only state
people would say that. He wouldn't say God blessed Argus Texas.
I like that guy. Tell me you wouldn't like to
have a beer with that guy Ramon. He would straight
up whip you. He'd just whip you. And if he
wasn't able to whip you, he would shoot you and
he wouldn't feel bad about it. That'd be a good
(18:23):
guy to have a beer We're gonna hold him a fundraiser.
We'll raise him a bunch of them. How much you got.
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The Michael Berry Show. Welcome to another exciting edition of
The Michael Berry Show Archive podcast. That means something that
aired before but we really liked and we hope you
will as well. Sheriff David Clark. He's the black guy
with a very stern look. He always has a cowboy
hat on in uniform. He's the sheriff. We like Sheriff
(00:24):
David Clark, and he shares our views, which is, we
have laws in order to preserve order and protect the
weak and the innocent, and to help get rid of
the bad guys. He was the sheriff of Milwaukee County,
Wisconsin from two thousand and two to twenty seventeen, where
(00:46):
he took some pretty tough stances which made him very
popular across the country. He is a Democrat with conservative leanings,
and I think he's no longer a Democrat, but he's
started life as a Democrat and still is considered a
Democrat who to my knowledge, I don't know that he
ever changed parties per se, but I think, like most people,
(01:09):
the Democrat Party left him behind. He didn't change, they did.
In twenty sixteen, he spoke at the Republican National Convention
in support of Donald Trump's presidential campaign, and that really
pushed his national profile even further. He was considered for
a role in President Trump's administration, but he ultimately did
(01:31):
not take a formal position. I had the honor of
talking to Sheriff Clark back in twenty fifteen, and we
enjoyed this interview, and we hope you do as well.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I don't know, maybe six months ago, we made a
double declaration on the Michael Berry Show. We in one
fell swoop, first time this had ever been done. We
replace our favorite sheriff in America with a new favorite sheriff,
and we named our favorite Democrat in America. And it
(02:13):
was all the same person in the pantheon of sheriffs.
We like it would be Newell Norman in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana,
Joe R. Pyo out of Americopa County and Arizona, and
this fellow, a favorite sheriff and a favorite Democrat, all
(02:39):
in one fell swoop from Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clark.
Thanks for being our guest, Sir.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Michael, Well, what and honor. I'm humbled by that, And
hello to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Let's talk about some of the things you've said of late.
I suspect there are a number of sheriffs around the
country who share your sentiment, but very few who would
be willing to go on the record and say the
things that you've said, because it brings a lot of
enemies upon you, not the least of which is talking
(03:13):
about what you call the myth of police officers gunning
down black males. And let me say, I get the
sense listening to you, I get the sense that you
don't say this so much as a law enforcement man,
but as a human being who looks at other young
(03:35):
black men and says I can save some. This isn't
being angry at young black men. This is loving young
black men and wanting to save some.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Without a doubt and absolutely what this is all about.
And I've said, if we want to end these deadly encounters,
we can't just focus on police behavior. We have to
focus on the behavior of many of these young black
men and these police encounters, young black men who have
no respect for authority, who would fight and try to
(04:08):
disarm a law enforcement officer at the drop of a hat,
would flee a lawn officer, which is a law enforcement officer,
which is a very dangerous situation to put an officer in,
and it's also dangerous for the person being pursued because
now you have so much uncertainty and decisions have to
be made and split seconds and now seconds, and you know,
(04:33):
oftentimes the result is that the you know, it doesn't
turn out well for the perpetrator. And so you know,
it's very simple. You look at Mike Brown. Mike Brown
was simply told to get out of the roadway. If
he gets back up on the curb, out of the roadway,
he's alive today. We still well would never have heard
of ferguson Missouri if Eric Carner would have put his
(04:55):
hands behind his back like the officer told him that.
The NYPD officer said, you're under arrest, put your hands
behind your back, A very simple thing to do. And
had Eric Garner done that, Eric Garner be alive today.
And we can go on and on and on, and
so I try to focus on the behavior because it's
a two way street. These things are very uh. These
(05:16):
these these circumstances are chaotic and uncertain for the law
enforcement officer, and they can end up being deadly for
the person on the other end. So if we want
to really reduce the likelihood of a deadly encounter between
any police officer and any citizen, we have to remind
the citizenry that they have a duty and an obligation
(05:38):
to comply with the law enforcement officer's lawful commands. I
don't know why, Michael, these these you know, people like
the President of the United States, who has a big stage,
why you won't say this, he's so quick to want
to transform the professional policing of which he knows nothing about.
By the way, although he always thinks he's the smartest
(05:59):
guy in the room, but he doesn't understand that he
is an opportunity here to lead, all right, to be
a mentor to a lot of these young black men
in these urban ghettos with a message, a message of responsibility.
And if you don't like the way you treat it,
because I understand there are cops who are rude and
(06:22):
can be officious, then you use the system, You make
the complaint, and you pursue it that way. You do
not start fighting the police on the street, because you're
not going to win.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Sheriff Clark, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin. In the course of your career,
I mean at least media coverage has increased in this
and you know, we had problems in the late nineteen
sixties with riots and things. But if you were to
attribute one reason to one sort of social cultural change
(06:56):
that is leading not necessarily to an increase in crime,
but to an increase in resentment toward anger toward and
violence toward law enforcement, what would you attribute.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That to Modern liberalism without a doubt. I don't even
have to think about that or ponderate. Modern liberalism is
conduct without borders. Modern liberalism has been a wrecking ball
on Americans urban centers and has had a profound effect
on the Black community and the black family structure. Modern
(07:27):
liberalism has encouraged single parent families. Modern liberalism celebrates black
under achievement. Modern liberalism blames others for flawed lifestyle choices.
When we hear this thing about you know, important people
saying the riots in Baltimore and Ferguson of the result
of slavery and Jim Crow and discrimination, which is nothing
(07:50):
more than a big lie. The people of that era,
slavery and Jim Crow, the blacks of that era, would
condemn the sort of behavior we're seeing out of people
today in terms of lifestyle choices like father absent homes,
like school failure, like not staying consistently in the workforce.
(08:10):
Black people during the post Civil War and even the
Jim Crow area were very industrious, wanted to work. Many
of them fled the South to come north looking for
work during the Industrial Revolution. That's why I said they
would shun this stuff today. And yet we have people
today making excuses which goes back to modern liberalism, which
(08:34):
excuses olive horned behavior, and it says, it's not your fault,
it's somebody else's fault, it's the white man's faulted, the
police fault, it's everybody else's fault but your own, when instead,
what we should be doing is holding a mirror to
these individuals and saying that person looking back at you
is the major cause, and then say the only one,
the major cause of many of your problems, and you
(08:55):
need to start take doing some soul searching first before
you start lapsing out at other people, like the Institution
of Policing.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Sureff. David Clark is our guest. I have about forty
five seconds left in this segment. The response you get
from within your own county, I know what it is
across the country. Is it overwhelmingly positive?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Overwhelmingly positive. I have my paters and detractors, but many
of those are the gate keeping blacks and the extreme
left liberals for doing the attacking. But I have the
support of the people back here in Milwaukee County. I
wouldn't be here today if I didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, I note that you were first appointed by Governor
McCallum and then re elected in six twenty ten, in
twenty fourteen. It's your county's voters that matter most, so
that's why you do what you do, and obviously you're
in touch with them. Can you hold with us for
a moment?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Sureff. David Clark, Milwaukee County is our guest. More with
him coming up next. I do love everyone, but I
must confess I really really like David Clark. This PSA
is what caught my attention about him.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I'm sure if David Clark and I want to talk
to you about something personal, simply calling nine one one
in waiting is no longer your best option. Consider taking
a certified safety course and handling of firearms so you
can defend yourself until we get there. If a duty
to protect yourself from your family. We're partners now. Can
I count on you?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Listen to this again and tell me the last time
you ever heard a law man tell you to make
sure that you take care of yourself because you have
a responsibility to do it.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I'm sure if David Clark and I want to talk
to you about something personal, simply calling nine one one
in waiting is no longer your best option. Consider taking
a certified safety course and handling of firearms so you
can defend yourself until we get there. If a duty
to protect yourself from your family, We're partners now, Can
I count on you?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
David Clark is our guest and Sheriff Clark correct me
if I'm wrong, but I was advised during the break
that I made a mistake. You are not an avowed Democrat.
You ran as a Democrat and have made very clear
that the Sheriff's office should be a non partisan race.
So if I'm correct in that and you sent to that,
my apologies. You consider yourself an independent, Michael's no problem.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
You know. I shoot the party labels. I think between
Republicans and Democrats at all levels of government all across
the country, to the ruling class, the part of the
problem collectively, and so I remind people don't depend on
a party vote the person. Examine the person, regardless of
what letter they have after their name, and their views
(11:38):
line up, their philosophies line up with yours, and that's
the person to go with, regardless of what party they're
involved with. I've never belonged to a political party and
probably never will. I'm a conservative, but it's about the
far that's about the extent of my political involvement is
my conservative leanings.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Milwaukee Sheriff David Clark that PSA alone, your outspoken, then
Piers Morgan's show, you've taken some positions outside what typical
law enforcement are willing to do, and I admire you
for the boldness to do that. Let me ask you
on another subject that law enforcement, at least active duty
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law enforcement, have been somewhat silent on. It appears to
me that much of our war on drugs has simply
criminalized many young people, often in the inner city, and
distracted the resources of police. Not every law enforcement officer
agrees with me on that, but I found that many do.
Your thoughts on our drug.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Laws, well, I think we need to re examine this
war on drugs. I don't think we should abandon it,
but the model we're using is when we've been using
for a long time and sometimes take a look. For me,
we saw it in Iraq, we saw it in Afghanistan,
but things aren't going well, you reassess if you remember
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what the surge did, it was just it was it
was an adjustment to what was going on. So I
think we could use that model here. Look, drugs are
the scourge of our urban centers, especially the American ghetto.
The sales and the use of it have led to
high levels of violence. So I'm more concerned about the
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violence associated with the drug use. I'm not saying I
don't care about drug use, but you know, hey, if
an individual, you know, wants to engage in that sort
of behavior, there's going to be consequences for that individual.
And it doesn't necessarily have to be you know, arresting
with a prison, but you know, there's the health concerns,
there's the effect that it might have on your productivity
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or ability to get a job. And I don't want
any tax supported drug rehab programs. I think we're going
to let individuals make those sorts of choices. Flawed lifestyle choices.
They have to bear the consequences. So I'm going to say,
you know, I want to say, if you want to
go out and engage in that kind of risk of behavior, fine,
but then don't ask me and don't ask how the
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taxpayers to help get you out of it through some
government sponsored drug rehab program. Find your own drug rehead program.
You pay for it.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clark is our guest. You have
been outspoken against this twenty first century policing initiative. Can
you talk about that?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Sure, it's been nothing more than sure aid that a
it's a dog and pony show put together very quickly
for political expediency by the President of the United States
after the Ferguson riots. What I was real disappointed about
is in putting that together he did not have one
elected sheriff represented on the panel. We report directly to
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the people. Okay, we're at ground level. He had a
police chief or two on there. They are appointed bureaucrats,
and the ones that he had on there are well
known lap dogs. Okay, their career bureaucrats, lap dogs for
the Democrat Party and some of their liberal philosophies on
policing in America. And then the rest of the panel
(15:07):
was made up of academic elitists who sit in ivory towers.
They're far removed from life at ground level in these
American ghettos, and they didn't have any real representative from
the street cop, all right, the person who's out there
every day. So they come down with these decrees and
these mandates and they shove it at the street cop
(15:28):
to beat officers, say, here, go implement this and then
come back and let us know how it went. And
I think that's cruel. I think if you're going to
have an honest task force, then you have to have
representatives from the rank and file police officers. So they
come out with these recommendations, you know, most of which
(15:48):
are just nonsense. What came out of that was the
President of the United States said the Baltimore Police Department
was a model agency in unbiased policing and commit unity policing,
and he recommended that every law enforcement office to look
at the book Baltimore PD and emulate them. Two months later,
after the riots in Baltimore, the US Department of Justice
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just the same President of the United States Department of
Justice is now investigating the Baltimore Police for pattern and
practices of bias policing. That's why I said, this whole
thing is a charade. So he went to Camden the
other day and said, Camden's now the model. So look
for them to be investigated by the DOJ as well.
So you know, again, we got a guy who, and
(16:32):
I say that respect at least the president of the
United States, he knows nothing about local policing. He may
be the commander in chief of the US military, he
is not the commander of the Milwaukee County Sheriff's office.
I am. I'll decide what's best for the men and
women of my organization, and I encourage other chiefs and
sheriffs across the country to push back against this. One
(16:55):
science fits all because it'll be a disaster, just like
everything else that the president and then it's put.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
His hands on you know, I've always it's been an
internal debate over whether law enforcement officials should be elected
or appointed. And you may be the best example of
how successful one can be as an elected official, because
you have to be accountable to the very people that
(17:23):
you have to arrest. And it seems to have worked
out well. I have appreciated your outspokenness on a number
of issues, and I know, I know you have been
asked by a lot of people. It's been written about
widely in Milwaukee to run for mayor next year, and
I want you to know. You let me know, and
I will write you the first check and it will
be sizeable for your campaign if you do run, and
(17:45):
I'll hold you the biggest fundraiser you've had in the
state of Texas the minute you announce, because I think
you should be the mayor and beyond. I really appreciate
your outspokenness, your common sense, and your leadership, and so
thank you for your service to this country.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Michael's the pleasure to serving. God bless Texas.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
All right, thank you, sir Texas. That's the only state
people would say that. He wouldn't say God blessed Argus Texas.
I like that guy. Tell me you wouldn't like to
have a beer with that guy Ramon. He would straight
up whip you. He'd just whip you. And if he
wasn't able to whip you, he would shoot you and
he wouldn't feel bad about it. That'd be a good
(18:23):
guy to have a beer We're gonna hold him a fundraiser.
We'll raise him a bunch of them. How much you got.
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