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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. So
Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Creative director Jim Mudd ably sitting in for Ramone Roeblist
for the first part of the show. Today, Ramone is
at his.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oldest son, July's school.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I believe July is in the third grade, Is that right?
I think it's the third grade. And the reason is
July was being pinned with some sort of an award
or maybe this was his.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Student council ascension.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
So it's a great story, you know, because kids are
so emotional, they're so tied into the moment, and if
they look forward to something and it doesn't happen, they're
just devastated. Well, July had decided that he was going
to run for student council president. This was a big deal,
and Ramona and Amy had said, you know, if you're
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going to do this, you need to think about what
you're going to say and what you're going to do
and whether you really want to do this.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Okay, it's a big lesson here.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So July had worked up his speech in his mind,
and the event is going to be next Thursday, so
he had kind of worked out his speech and they
had spent the weeks before writing it, and this is
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how his speech went.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Good morning everyone.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
My name is July, and just like the month, I'm
here to bring some sunshine to and then his school's name,
we'll call his school Ridgemont. I'm here to bring some
sunshine to Ridgemont. Now I'm not here to talk about
the weather. But wouldn't it be awesome if our school
days were as bright as a July afternoon? If you
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elect me Student Council President, I promised to work hard
so that every student can shine. Whether you're a star
in math, a champ at recess, or just love a
good book. I'll make sure we all have the tools
to succeed. And don't worry, I'm not just full of
hot air like a summer breeze.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Ease.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I'm ready to make real changes, like making school as
fun as building your dream world in roadblocks. Imagine a
place where learning is as cool as leveling up, and
every student gets a chance to be the hero of
their own story. Plus, I'll make sure everyone's ideas are heard,
whether it's about new activities, better snacks, are even more
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awesome field trips. Together, we can create a Ridgemont that's
exciting for everyone.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So let's heat things up this year.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Vote July for student council, and together we'll make Ridgemont the.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Coolest school around.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That was the plan, and technically he could have read it,
but the plan was to have finished it a week
early so that he'd have some semblance of that memorized
and could deliver it right.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Except the teacher.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Gave him the wrong date. So he comes strolling in
a week before election day on a Thursday, sits down
in his chair, and the teacher says, well, today is
the day that we are electing our student council president.
We have three candidates in our class for student council president,
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and so July you're first. And he was apparently devastated.
He didn't have his speech with him. He had finished
writing it, but not preparing it or memorizing it, familiarizing
himself with it. So he shuffled up.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
In front of the class and he's an over July
Augustus Roeblis and.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I want to I want to go on more field
trips and have better bathrooms, and then kind of mumbled
and stumbled through a little bit more and sat down.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He went home and he was just devastated. The day
was all wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Ramone thinks the teacher gave him the wrong day. I
think Ramone, like most parents, is covering for July, and
July made a mistake.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
But who knows.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It could very well could be teacher could have made
a mistake either way. He's absolutely devastated. How could this happen? Inconsolable. Well,
that was on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
The results did not come out.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Oh no, no, no, was sorry. That was on a Friday.
So all the little students vote and all that. It's
very long weekend in the robless home for what could
have been. You know, you're thinking of John Edwards when
he was caught, you know, in his scandal, or Gary
Hart and his scandal, or Ted Kennedy in nineteen eighty
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when he was asked.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
By Roger Mudd.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Exactly why are you running? And he looked like a
deer in the headlines. He couldn't, couldn't think of the answer,
and it derailed him.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It finished him off. And so after the.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Long weekend, July went trudging back into school to accept
the fate of having to cheer for some other kid
who had defeated him, and lo and behold July had
won the election, and so I'm.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Not sure that teaches him the right lesson, or maybe
it does. Maybe it is that the best laid plans
of mice and men.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Nevertheless, you adapt, you'll overcome, because that too will happen
because you know, for all our for all our you know,
preparation and planning, and that is true, that is something
we should do. No matter how much you do that,
there is going to be that moment in life where
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the plan does not go to effect or the plan
doesn't go to plan, and.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You have to adapt.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And that's where your metal is tested. And his metal
was tested and he rose to the occasion. It was
my endorsement. You think that's what did? It probably helped,
So I asked him. He was with Ramon in the
afternoon a couple days ago, and I asked him to
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recreate the speech so that we would have it logged
for memory, because you know, my kids are seventeen and eighteen,
and you know, like many of you told me for
years when they were this age, you know, enjoy every moment,
take your photos, say what you need to say, because
it time passes, it does, there's nowhere around it, and
it's not until the time passes that you realize times
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going to pass and you'll never be a to recreate
that little kid at that age whog. So I filmed
him delivering his speech, but the whole thing was still
kind of so wrecked in his mind that.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
He was not he was not delivering.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
At his highest level.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
But father is.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Very proud, his brother Ali is very proud, Amy is
very proud, and of.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Course July is proud.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And so his career in public service in one way
or another has begun. So I don't know if this
means because the better bathrooms was just thrown in at
the last minute, I don't know now if he's actually
committed to the better bathrooms or if it's like Democrats
promising to lower inflation and do this and do this,
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And I.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Don't know if it's just a flippant promise, it won't
be that.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's worthy of a follow up question right there, Kim Ogg,
Harris County's District Attorney's our guests coming up to Michael
Mary Show. There are incredibly important races across the country,
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local races that don't get much attention. If I ask you,
who's running to be the next Harris County District Attorney.
You might know the answers, but most of your neighbors don't.
It's Trump Biden and that's all anyone or Trump Harris
and that's all anyone knows. But this race, this office
is the most important local office.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
No questions asked. It is important we get it right.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Current Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg is our guest.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
She is not on the ballot in November. Kim Oug,
Welcome to.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
The program, Michael, how are you this morning?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I'm good for people that don't understand, perhaps how important
the work that office does that you've dedicated your life
to for years now.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
If you were to try to explain, and I'm sure you've.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Had to at a cocktail party or at lunch or
giving a speech, how that affects the average citizen, what
do you say?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
The average citizen depends on their business to run without
interruption from a robbery or a giant embezzlement. The average
household family expects to get up and go to school
or work without having their child abducted or without being
hit by somebody racing on the freeway. Unfortunately, crime occurs,
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and it impacts our economy and our lives, and the
DA's office is the only agency that files and takes
these cases through court for the eighty six law enforcement
agencies that are here in the Harris County area, and
so it's the front door to the criminal justice system.
If you're concerned about your safety, you have to be
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concerned about who your district attorney is.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
After you indicted three of Lena Hidalgo's top aids in
a kind of a bid rigging scheme over the supposed
COVID outreach, with perhaps the potential for Lena Hidalgo to
been indicted as well, it appeared that a bullseye was
placed on you by Rodney Ellis and Democrat insiders because
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you had you had not you had not done what
you were supposed to do. You had hurt the cause.
Do you think there was a concerted effort to get
you out of the District Attorney's office because of that?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I'm positive the Mayor Turner, the former mayor, also investigated
by the office. These are on legitimate complaints where Texas
Rangers are an independent agencies called in they investigate Rodney's
art scheme or Lena Hidalgo's staffers that are that were
directing money to specific vendors for specific reasons. These are
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public corruption cases that are not uncommon in cities. What
was uncommon was the reaction of the three people who
had been investigated. Instead of cooperating, they fought us at
every turn. They tried to manipulate the judges into delaying
the investigation until after the trial, and were success until
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after the primary and they were successful. And so the
use of the system by people who fund the system
to avoid accountability, both financial and criminal, is rotten, and
to address it politically was the easiest way to defend
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what's really been going on, which is a lot of
misuse of your tax dollars by our commissioners and by
Mayor Turner and waste is not legal, but when you're
funneling it to special interest and friends and folks, you
want to engage for political support. Later, they've been very effective.
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Two billion dollars came here from ARPA from the United
States government for our alleged recovery. None of it's spent
on police, public safety, prosecutors, or even flooding, and so
the two billion is wasted. Now they want to raise
our taxes more. They tried to cut my budget by
six million dollars, and it's been just one assault after
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another on Houstonians and they're being sold a bill of goods. Folks,
do not vote for these tax hikes. Your money is
being sent to other states California, Illinois, New York, and
it's probably funneling back into the political system. So it's
really it's really been important to pursue these public corroption cases,
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and the fact that it cost me my job is
incidental to me. I have no regrets. We should move
forward with this continued scrutiny of our public officials.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Harris County District Attorney Kim oug is our guest. When
you look at what John Whitmeyer, once he was elected
mayor a couple of months in, has stated multiple times
publicly that it's far worse. The corruption, the inefficiency, the waste,
the ineptitude, the self dealing. It's far worse than ever expected.
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You just brought a case against a guy, I think
Midtown district for self dealing. Of course, we had the
marketing director for housing who's gone to federal prison. Of course,
we had the mayor's chief of staff who's gone to
federal prison for kickbacks during COVID, there was the whistleblower
case against Sylvester Turner on the affordable housing where his
thirty year law partner, it turns out, got the bid
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for fewer units for a higher at Harris County. You
mentioned Rodney's art scheme, the three indictments for the staffers
for Lena hd All go, and you probably know much.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
More that hasn't been brought.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
How bad is the waste and corruption, but worse the
self dealing going on down there, Because if it's half
as bad as I hear it is, it's frightening. I mean,
it's third world standards.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
It's twice as bad as you just described. And Michael,
you're hired for our public corruption division. You just gave
a rundown of our most important cases against folks who
violated the public trust. The Midtown director was not just
self dealing, but helping somebody who was involved with make
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millions of dollars for doing nothing to improve the Midtown area.
The water main leaks that were never repaired because of
self dealing, and shell companies created by water department employees.
These are unsophisticated theft schemes. They are not difficult to
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find once the records are accessible. Mayor Whitmyer has opened
the door and opened the booked to scrutiny, and that
has been the most helpful thing in getting to the
bottom of exactly how bad Turner's administration was with our
money and with their duty to serve the public honestly.
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And so I would tell you it's bad in looking
at the county budget and the things that the money
has been spent on, everything except public safety, and so
many jobs that are I don't know what they are,
their words soup. But we've seen the creation of unneeded departments,
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the hiring of hundreds of employees for jobs that really
don't provide a service to Harris County citizens. And so
I think you've hit the nail on the head. I
think that they had to go after me politically because
I am not going to stop trying to ensure that
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Houstonians are safe. That's part of my job. But without money,
you have a a withering police department. You have a understaffed,
an underfunded DA's office. But don't worry, you've got a
hugely funded public Defender's office. You got gift cards for
defendants so that they can have childcare and free parking
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during court appearances. We see none of that for crime victims.
So you have this openly biased government when it comes
to our public safety. And I'm referring to county leadership.
So I think there's a lot of room for scrutiny
for improvement and as people go to the ballot boxes,
especially on these tax issues and on your race for DA. Understand,
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the nominee who has replaced me through the political attacks
that were brought by my own party, is nothing more
than a puppet of the people who put him at
least in the nomination slot. And that's Hidalgo, that's Ella,
and that's Turner. And so that's like having the Fox
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guard the hen House.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And it's frightening how successful they have managed to be.
Kim Hogg is our guest. Can you hang with us
for one more segment? Absolutely, Harris County disc Attorney Kim
Ogg is our guest.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
We'll continue that conversation with coming.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Up Michael Berry's show.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg is our guest.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I've known Kim Ogg for right at twenty five years
when she was the very effective head of Crime Stoppers,
and yes, We have had disagreements over the years, but
I think there is, at least on my side of
the isle, there is a great deal of respect for
her career and a personal respect. I will say this,
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I knew when Rodney Ellis was running a candidate against
her that the chances were they were going to win,
because for everything people know and don't know about Rodney Ellis,
he's very good at what he does, and he plays
for keeps. He plays to win, and he will hit
below the belt. Kim On, you lost your party's primary,
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the Democrat party's primary, and you looked a lot more
like a Republican in a Democrat primary than perhaps a
Democrat the way that thing came out, and I suspect
you're far more popular with Republicans and Democrats today.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Happened there.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I think it's important that we not mince words and
people understand the coup that occurred. The process is the process,
but there was a coup and it was because you
were doing your job.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But I want people to understand from you what happened.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
The attack on the prosecution we've seen from both sides.
In truth, Michael, you know this crime is not a
partisan issue. It's a shame that these races are determined
by primary voters who turn out at about seven percent,
so a majority of the minority. The socialist side of
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the Democratic Party, the far left, is who Commissioner Ellis
and Hidalgo have fostered. They have paid, they have given
them grants, they have propped them up, and so they
along with the precinct chairs who also have been given
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positions of importance within the party, different positions to appointed boards, etc.
He's been buying up political real estate the entire seven
and a half years he's been at the county using
our tax dollars. He capitalized when he called in those
chits in the last Democratic primary. They ran three people
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against me in twenty twenty and of course the George
Soros money three million dollars came in for my opponent
who's now the Democratic nominee that's from Ellis. That is
not through that nominees connections. Ellis brought in national money.
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He utilized local media. The Chronicle seems to eat out
of his hand like a pet deer. The information that
you read about county government is so misleading. In the
Houston Chronicle. I know people say they don't read it.
But the problem is there's no truth telling organization. Texan
does a good job. Am I a Republican? No, I'm
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still a Democrat who believes in the same kind of
justice and law and order that normal people do. I
don't think most Democrats are for having somebody on bail
for murder or child rape live next door at their
grandmother's house or their girlfriend's aunts apartment. I don't think
regular people appreciate what's happening to their public safety here,
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but they don't understand that it's controlled through the funding
of Commissioner's Court in large degree, and so they're being
sold to Billy Goods. We've certainly disagreed, but what you
and I have always known is that we need police,
we need accountability in the system. People will hurt each other,
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they're mean, they can you know, since the beginning of
time and since canaan Abel, we've seen crime occur. So
you have to have an order and there have to
be laws, and it can only apply to one party,
and so being punished for prosecuting people in my own
party is a badge of honor. That's the job. If
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that's what a grand jury and the evidence, well, if
that's what the evidence shows, and the grand jury believes,
and they indict, then we prosecute. So, regardless of Turner's
anger at our prosecution of his public information officer, regardless
of Ellis's anger about the investigation into the art he
stored on county property, money that's never been recovered by
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the county attorney, and they don't intend to. It looks
like I think, until people wake up and understand that
their money is being controlled by somebody who's feeding a
false message to them through print media. Till people wise up,
we're going to see a county in decline. I'm hopeful
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with Whitmeyer in the driver's seat in the mayor's office,
he can turn this city around. He's been a great
partner in routing out corruption county. There's such a little
there's so little transparency. It's just hard for people to
know what's happening. So I invite them to learn about
their county government. Take a look at our county judge
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and commissioner's decisions about their budget. They elected to defund
our homicide division in the last three months of this administration,
until Commissioner Ramsey came to the rescue. Truly like the
lone Ranger one against four and we were able to
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get a concession that there would be no layoffs. Amazing.
We only have three hundred and fifty lawyers. They were
cutting our budget by six million dollars and of course
they promised to restore it for the next DA. So
other than disruption of our office, I don't know what
the point of that budget cut was, other than they
want to use the money on something else and don't
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care about public safety, don't care about crime victims. Thank goodness,
Tom Ramsey stepped in and saved the day.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Do you think that if you had played ball with
Rodney Ellis that Sean Tier would have never run and
you'd still be the district attorney.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I would have never played ball, But yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Do you think that was his plan?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
The problem was that all for me?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
That he wants to control every office in the county
and pretty well does. People can see what happened to
me when I stepped out of line. It doesn't make
them inclined to have a backbone and speak out about this.
I've been made the example. I think that's good for Houstonians.
I'm okay, I'm kim oug. I've had the same job,
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trying to protect the public all my life in different roles.
That's what I believe is right. And so folks who
are looking for something different out of government, whether it's
personal wealth or recognition or you know, invites to free parties,
I'm not sure what the point is. I thought it
was our greater good. Yes, things might have been different
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had I not played ball, but that's just not a scenario.
I can't imagine taking this oath as district attorney, your
top law enforcement official, and.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Not meaning it.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
And that oath was to see that everybody is equal
under the law, meaning nobody is above the law, especially
the elected folks that we've been talking about. But that's
the way they've played.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It that way.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Can you hold back?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
All right?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Kim og Our, Harris County District Attorney. Coming up.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
The Michael Berry Show. I went home with the oasis
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the way I always do.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
How was that.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
She was away of the russ to.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Back in twenty twenty two, there was a sheriff's deputy,
young kids at home, driving home to see them, and.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
He shot through the window and killed.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Pretty terrible, awful thing to happen, And I wonder how
many people realize how the murderers were actually caught.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Kime Out.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I don't know if you've told the story publicly, but
I know a lot of folks in law enforcement and elsewhere,
and this story has become legend.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Would you like to tell how you caught the bad guys?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Well, I can't take the credit. Law enforcement over at
the Homicide Division caught the murderers. This is Deputy Erson.
Is that who you're talking about? He was gone to
He was headed out just to pick up some fast
food for his family on a Sunday afternoon. Late he
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was shot through his car window by two murderers. The
police were able to immediately identify the car, but the
film did not capture the license plate. They knew two
individuals were involved, but they couldn't identify them through the
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vehicle windows.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
They had the idea.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Because so many people are on bond of investigating who
had an ankle monitor on in that vicinity at that time,
and like the Latto, but much better odds. It was
immediately learned that two defendants, one out on a bond
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for capital murder the other out on a bond for murder,
were in fact the culprits. They've been charged. They're charged
with capital murder, they are likely to face the death penalty.
That's been our decision, and the judges reacted in an
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odd way. Some did. Now, law enforcement and prosecutors are
required in our criminal district courts, felony courts to ask
the judges to sign an order so that law enforcement
and the prosecutors can get records of people's activity as
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supervised by the pre Trial Services Group while on bond,
even and for murder, even when it's to try and
solve a new murder. I've never seen that requirement. It's
something unique to Harris County and it's just not the
way things are supposed to be. Cops should not be
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impeded in the timing of their investigation by these requirements
of Mother May I to the courts who are responsible
for supervising criminals on bond while awaiting trial. So we
have a unique approach by our judiciary. It's not mimicked
elsewhere in the state. And it's a public safety issue.
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And so that's the basis of some legislation that I
think crime victims will be seeking in the next session
from their state representatives and senators the ability to get
to the evidence of bad acts by people on bond
instead of being impeded. Because it's embarrassing when folks commit
crimes and they're under your provision. It's just amazing what's
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happening to our system, and regardless of party, it's imperative
that we stop it. It's a mentality that just doesn't
work in the real world that people are going to
go out who are charged with murder and capital murder
and what go get jobs. I mean, it's just not
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a realistic position. And you'll hear the excuse that the
law demands this. Don't blame the law. The law places
the responsibility on our judiciary to make decisions balancing the
interests of keeping us safe and ensuring somebody has the
right to defend themselves adequately. I believe in both rights.
But judges are charged with making a decision, and when
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they make decisions in favor of criminals and their interests
over our public safety, I think that's a concern and
it should not be being promoted. So that's some of
the stuff that's happening. I imagine that's what you've heard
from COMPS, is that they're having trouble getting warrants, getting
a warrants son having trouble having trouble getting orders that
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were not necessary a year.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Ago, kim on Harris County District Attorney. I asked that
to lead into two questions, the first being, you made
a statement that got a lot of attention about a
month or so ago when you laid out, actually, how
many people are walking the streets next to our sons
and daughters, mothers and fathers, wives and husbands and brothers
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and sisters and friends who are out on a murder
charge and they're out on a bond, walking around seemingly
with nothing to lose.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And that number shocked people.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
That number is over eight hundred people charged with murder
or capital murder on bond or on the lamb, meaning
they're fugitives living among us or somewhere in this country
or world. They're out there. We've got another eight hundred
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in pending status, meaning we've got seventeen hundred total people
currently charged. And police are getting better at solving these
crimes because of the cameras and phones. The evidence is
just replete generally, and that's how they're solving so many
more cases. How do I know that it's they're filing
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double the number of homicides solved, homicides that they did
even as late as twenty eighteen. So instead of two
hundred and fifty filed homicides, we're seeing more than four
hundred and twenty in a year. Those are filed cases
out of a probable total of about six hundred and
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some murders each year county wide. So we'll be we'll
be posting those numbers on our website starting October. They're
obtained from four different police departments biweekly, and we keep
our own homicide count because if you read or listen
to media, I'm afraid what you hear is that crime
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is down. What our numbers show is that there were
more people murdered in twenty twenty two than in the
past thirty years, the highest number since nineteen ninety two.
And you know, we were known back in the late
eighties as the murder capital of the world. So when
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you ask what is the importance of the DA, how
would you like that for your economic slogan, trying to
invite people to live or do business here. The murder
capital of the country that was Houston in the late eighties,
early nineties. We cannot let that happen again. We have
to invest in our own safety. So don't let your
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money be wasted. Know what your commissioners are spending their
money on.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Know what you're say.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Segment. I want to talk about the judges, sure, all right,
hanging tight.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I want to talk about the control Rodney Ellis and
George Sorows and the Social Democrats have over these judges,
because I hear stories from the judges communities about the
fact that they are scared to death to allow a
conviction of a murderer in their court or they'll be
kicked out of office.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Exactly what was done to Kim up Coming up
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. So
Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Creative director Jim Mudd ably sitting in for Ramone Roeblist
for the first part of the show. Today, Ramone is
at his.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oldest son, July's school.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I believe July is in the third grade, Is that right?
I think it's the third grade. And the reason is
July was being pinned with some sort of an award
or maybe this was his.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Student council ascension.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
So it's a great story, you know, because kids are
so emotional, they're so tied into the moment, and if
they look forward to something and it doesn't happen, they're
just devastated. Well, July had decided that he was going
to run for student council president. This was a big deal,
and Ramona and Amy had said, you know, if you're
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going to do this, you need to think about what
you're going to say and what you're going to do
and whether you really want to do this.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Okay, it's a big lesson here.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So July had worked up his speech in his mind,
and the event is going to be next Thursday, so
he had kind of worked out his speech and they
had spent the weeks before writing it, and this is
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how his speech went.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Good morning everyone.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
My name is July, and just like the month, I'm
here to bring some sunshine to and then his school's name,
we'll call his school Ridgemont. I'm here to bring some
sunshine to Ridgemont. Now I'm not here to talk about
the weather. But wouldn't it be awesome if our school
days were as bright as a July afternoon? If you
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elect me Student Council President, I promised to work hard
so that every student can shine. Whether you're a star
in math, a champ at recess, or just love a
good book. I'll make sure we all have the tools
to succeed. And don't worry, I'm not just full of
hot air like a summer breeze.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Ease.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I'm ready to make real changes, like making school as
fun as building your dream world in roadblocks. Imagine a
place where learning is as cool as leveling up, and
every student gets a chance to be the hero of
their own story. Plus, I'll make sure everyone's ideas are heard,
whether it's about new activities, better snacks, are even more
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awesome field trips. Together, we can create a Ridgemont that's
exciting for everyone.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So let's heat things up this year.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Vote July for student council, and together we'll make Ridgemont the.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Coolest school around.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That was the plan, and technically he could have read it,
but the plan was to have finished it a week
early so that he'd have some semblance of that memorized
and could deliver it right.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Except the teacher.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Gave him the wrong date. So he comes strolling in
a week before election day on a Thursday, sits down
in his chair, and the teacher says, well, today is
the day that we are electing our student council president.
We have three candidates in our class for student council president,
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and so July you're first. And he was apparently devastated.
He didn't have his speech with him. He had finished
writing it, but not preparing it or memorizing it, familiarizing
himself with it. So he shuffled up.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
In front of the class and he's an over July
Augustus Roeblis and.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I want to I want to go on more field
trips and have better bathrooms, and then kind of mumbled
and stumbled through a little bit more and sat down.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He went home and he was just devastated. The day
was all wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Ramone thinks the teacher gave him the wrong day. I
think Ramone, like most parents, is covering for July, and
July made a mistake.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
But who knows.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It could very well could be teacher could have made
a mistake either way. He's absolutely devastated. How could this happen? Inconsolable. Well,
that was on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
The results did not come out.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Oh no, no, no, was sorry. That was on a Friday.
So all the little students vote and all that. It's
very long weekend in the robless home for what could
have been. You know, you're thinking of John Edwards when
he was caught, you know, in his scandal, or Gary
Hart and his scandal, or Ted Kennedy in nineteen eighty
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when he was asked.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
By Roger Mudd.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Exactly why are you running? And he looked like a
deer in the headlines. He couldn't, couldn't think of the answer,
and it derailed him.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It finished him off. And so after the.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Long weekend, July went trudging back into school to accept
the fate of having to cheer for some other kid
who had defeated him, and lo and behold July had
won the election, and so I'm.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Not sure that teaches him the right lesson, or maybe
it does. Maybe it is that the best laid plans
of mice and men.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Nevertheless, you adapt, you'll overcome, because that too will happen
because you know, for all our for all our you know,
preparation and planning, and that is true, that is something
we should do. No matter how much you do that,
there is going to be that moment in life where
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the plan does not go to effect or the plan
doesn't go to plan, and.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You have to adapt.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And that's where your metal is tested. And his metal
was tested and he rose to the occasion. It was
my endorsement. You think that's what did? It probably helped,
So I asked him. He was with Ramon in the
afternoon a couple days ago, and I asked him to
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recreate the speech so that we would have it logged
for memory, because you know, my kids are seventeen and eighteen,
and you know, like many of you told me for
years when they were this age, you know, enjoy every moment,
take your photos, say what you need to say, because
it time passes, it does, there's nowhere around it, and
it's not until the time passes that you realize times
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going to pass and you'll never be a to recreate
that little kid at that age whog. So I filmed
him delivering his speech, but the whole thing was still
kind of so wrecked in his mind that.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
He was not he was not delivering.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
At his highest level.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
But father is.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Very proud, his brother Ali is very proud, Amy is
very proud, and of.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Course July is proud.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And so his career in public service in one way
or another has begun. So I don't know if this
means because the better bathrooms was just thrown in at
the last minute, I don't know now if he's actually
committed to the better bathrooms or if it's like Democrats
promising to lower inflation and do this and do this,
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And I.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Don't know if it's just a flippant promise, it won't
be that.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's worthy of a follow up question right there, Kim Ogg,
Harris County's District Attorney's our guests coming up to Michael
Mary Show. There are incredibly important races across the country,
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local races that don't get much attention. If I ask you,
who's running to be the next Harris County District Attorney.
You might know the answers, but most of your neighbors don't.
It's Trump Biden and that's all anyone or Trump Harris
and that's all anyone knows. But this race, this office
is the most important local office.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
No questions asked. It is important we get it right.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Current Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg is our guest.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
She is not on the ballot in November. Kim Oug,
Welcome to.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
The program, Michael, how are you this morning?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I'm good for people that don't understand, perhaps how important
the work that office does that you've dedicated your life
to for years now.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
If you were to try to explain, and I'm sure you've.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Had to at a cocktail party or at lunch or
giving a speech, how that affects the average citizen, what
do you say?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
The average citizen depends on their business to run without
interruption from a robbery or a giant embezzlement. The average
household family expects to get up and go to school
or work without having their child abducted or without being
hit by somebody racing on the freeway. Unfortunately, crime occurs,
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and it impacts our economy and our lives, and the
DA's office is the only agency that files and takes
these cases through court for the eighty six law enforcement
agencies that are here in the Harris County area, and
so it's the front door to the criminal justice system.
If you're concerned about your safety, you have to be
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concerned about who your district attorney is.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
After you indicted three of Lena Hidalgo's top aids in
a kind of a bid rigging scheme over the supposed
COVID outreach, with perhaps the potential for Lena Hidalgo to
been indicted as well, it appeared that a bullseye was
placed on you by Rodney Ellis and Democrat insiders because
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you had you had not you had not done what
you were supposed to do. You had hurt the cause.
Do you think there was a concerted effort to get
you out of the District Attorney's office because of that?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I'm positive the Mayor Turner, the former mayor, also investigated
by the office. These are on legitimate complaints where Texas
Rangers are an independent agencies called in they investigate Rodney's
art scheme or Lena Hidalgo's staffers that are that were
directing money to specific vendors for specific reasons. These are
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public corruption cases that are not uncommon in cities. What
was uncommon was the reaction of the three people who
had been investigated. Instead of cooperating, they fought us at
every turn. They tried to manipulate the judges into delaying
the investigation until after the trial, and were success until
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after the primary and they were successful. And so the
use of the system by people who fund the system
to avoid accountability, both financial and criminal, is rotten, and
to address it politically was the easiest way to defend
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what's really been going on, which is a lot of
misuse of your tax dollars by our commissioners and by
Mayor Turner and waste is not legal, but when you're
funneling it to special interest and friends and folks, you
want to engage for political support. Later, they've been very effective.
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Two billion dollars came here from ARPA from the United
States government for our alleged recovery. None of it's spent
on police, public safety, prosecutors, or even flooding, and so
the two billion is wasted. Now they want to raise
our taxes more. They tried to cut my budget by
six million dollars, and it's been just one assault after
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another on Houstonians and they're being sold a bill of goods. Folks,
do not vote for these tax hikes. Your money is
being sent to other states California, Illinois, New York, and
it's probably funneling back into the political system. So it's
really it's really been important to pursue these public corroption cases,
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and the fact that it cost me my job is
incidental to me. I have no regrets. We should move
forward with this continued scrutiny of our public officials.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Harris County District Attorney Kim oug is our guest. When
you look at what John Whitmeyer, once he was elected
mayor a couple of months in, has stated multiple times
publicly that it's far worse. The corruption, the inefficiency, the waste,
the ineptitude, the self dealing. It's far worse than ever expected.
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You just brought a case against a guy, I think
Midtown district for self dealing. Of course, we had the
marketing director for housing who's gone to federal prison. Of course,
we had the mayor's chief of staff who's gone to
federal prison for kickbacks during COVID, there was the whistleblower
case against Sylvester Turner on the affordable housing where his
thirty year law partner, it turns out, got the bid
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for fewer units for a higher at Harris County. You
mentioned Rodney's art scheme, the three indictments for the staffers
for Lena hd All go, and you probably know much.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
More that hasn't been brought.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
How bad is the waste and corruption, but worse the
self dealing going on down there, Because if it's half
as bad as I hear it is, it's frightening. I mean,
it's third world standards.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
It's twice as bad as you just described. And Michael,
you're hired for our public corruption division. You just gave
a rundown of our most important cases against folks who
violated the public trust. The Midtown director was not just
self dealing, but helping somebody who was involved with make
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millions of dollars for doing nothing to improve the Midtown area.
The water main leaks that were never repaired because of
self dealing, and shell companies created by water department employees.
These are unsophisticated theft schemes. They are not difficult to
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find once the records are accessible. Mayor Whitmyer has opened
the door and opened the booked to scrutiny, and that
has been the most helpful thing in getting to the
bottom of exactly how bad Turner's administration was with our
money and with their duty to serve the public honestly.
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And so I would tell you it's bad in looking
at the county budget and the things that the money
has been spent on, everything except public safety, and so
many jobs that are I don't know what they are,
their words soup. But we've seen the creation of unneeded departments,
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the hiring of hundreds of employees for jobs that really
don't provide a service to Harris County citizens. And so
I think you've hit the nail on the head. I
think that they had to go after me politically because
I am not going to stop trying to ensure that
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Houstonians are safe. That's part of my job. But without money,
you have a a withering police department. You have a understaffed,
an underfunded DA's office. But don't worry, you've got a
hugely funded public Defender's office. You got gift cards for
defendants so that they can have childcare and free parking
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during court appearances. We see none of that for crime victims.
So you have this openly biased government when it comes
to our public safety. And I'm referring to county leadership.
So I think there's a lot of room for scrutiny
for improvement and as people go to the ballot boxes,
especially on these tax issues and on your race for DA. Understand,
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the nominee who has replaced me through the political attacks
that were brought by my own party, is nothing more
than a puppet of the people who put him at
least in the nomination slot. And that's Hidalgo, that's Ella,
and that's Turner. And so that's like having the Fox
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guard the hen House.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And it's frightening how successful they have managed to be.
Kim Hogg is our guest. Can you hang with us
for one more segment? Absolutely, Harris County disc Attorney Kim
Ogg is our guest.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
We'll continue that conversation with coming.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Up Michael Berry's show.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg is our guest.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I've known Kim Ogg for right at twenty five years
when she was the very effective head of Crime Stoppers,
and yes, We have had disagreements over the years, but
I think there is, at least on my side of
the isle, there is a great deal of respect for
her career and a personal respect. I will say this,
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I knew when Rodney Ellis was running a candidate against
her that the chances were they were going to win,
because for everything people know and don't know about Rodney Ellis,
he's very good at what he does, and he plays
for keeps. He plays to win, and he will hit
below the belt. Kim On, you lost your party's primary,
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the Democrat party's primary, and you looked a lot more
like a Republican in a Democrat primary than perhaps a
Democrat the way that thing came out, and I suspect
you're far more popular with Republicans and Democrats today.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Happened there.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I think it's important that we not mince words and
people understand the coup that occurred. The process is the process,
but there was a coup and it was because you
were doing your job.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But I want people to understand from you what happened.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
The attack on the prosecution we've seen from both sides.
In truth, Michael, you know this crime is not a
partisan issue. It's a shame that these races are determined
by primary voters who turn out at about seven percent,
so a majority of the minority. The socialist side of
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the Democratic Party, the far left, is who Commissioner Ellis
and Hidalgo have fostered. They have paid, they have given
them grants, they have propped them up, and so they
along with the precinct chairs who also have been given
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positions of importance within the party, different positions to appointed boards, etc.
He's been buying up political real estate the entire seven
and a half years he's been at the county using
our tax dollars. He capitalized when he called in those
chits in the last Democratic primary. They ran three people
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against me in twenty twenty and of course the George
Soros money three million dollars came in for my opponent
who's now the Democratic nominee that's from Ellis. That is
not through that nominees connections. Ellis brought in national money.
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He utilized local media. The Chronicle seems to eat out
of his hand like a pet deer. The information that
you read about county government is so misleading. In the
Houston Chronicle. I know people say they don't read it.
But the problem is there's no truth telling organization. Texan
does a good job. Am I a Republican? No, I'm
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still a Democrat who believes in the same kind of
justice and law and order that normal people do. I
don't think most Democrats are for having somebody on bail
for murder or child rape live next door at their
grandmother's house or their girlfriend's aunts apartment. I don't think
regular people appreciate what's happening to their public safety here,
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but they don't understand that it's controlled through the funding
of Commissioner's Court in large degree, and so they're being
sold to Billy Goods. We've certainly disagreed, but what you
and I have always known is that we need police,
we need accountability in the system. People will hurt each other,
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they're mean, they can you know, since the beginning of
time and since canaan Abel, we've seen crime occur. So
you have to have an order and there have to
be laws, and it can only apply to one party,
and so being punished for prosecuting people in my own
party is a badge of honor. That's the job. If
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that's what a grand jury and the evidence, well, if
that's what the evidence shows, and the grand jury believes,
and they indict, then we prosecute. So, regardless of Turner's
anger at our prosecution of his public information officer, regardless
of Ellis's anger about the investigation into the art he
stored on county property, money that's never been recovered by
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the county attorney, and they don't intend to. It looks
like I think, until people wake up and understand that
their money is being controlled by somebody who's feeding a
false message to them through print media. Till people wise up,
we're going to see a county in decline. I'm hopeful
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with Whitmeyer in the driver's seat in the mayor's office,
he can turn this city around. He's been a great
partner in routing out corruption county. There's such a little
there's so little transparency. It's just hard for people to
know what's happening. So I invite them to learn about
their county government. Take a look at our county judge
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and commissioner's decisions about their budget. They elected to defund
our homicide division in the last three months of this administration,
until Commissioner Ramsey came to the rescue. Truly like the
lone Ranger one against four and we were able to
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get a concession that there would be no layoffs. Amazing.
We only have three hundred and fifty lawyers. They were
cutting our budget by six million dollars and of course
they promised to restore it for the next DA. So
other than disruption of our office, I don't know what
the point of that budget cut was, other than they
want to use the money on something else and don't
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care about public safety, don't care about crime victims. Thank goodness,
Tom Ramsey stepped in and saved the day.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Do you think that if you had played ball with
Rodney Ellis that Sean Tier would have never run and
you'd still be the district attorney.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I would have never played ball, But yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Do you think that was his plan?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
The problem was that all for me?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
That he wants to control every office in the county
and pretty well does. People can see what happened to
me when I stepped out of line. It doesn't make
them inclined to have a backbone and speak out about this.
I've been made the example. I think that's good for Houstonians.
I'm okay, I'm kim oug. I've had the same job,
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trying to protect the public all my life in different roles.
That's what I believe is right. And so folks who
are looking for something different out of government, whether it's
personal wealth or recognition or you know, invites to free parties,
I'm not sure what the point is. I thought it
was our greater good. Yes, things might have been different
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had I not played ball, but that's just not a scenario.
I can't imagine taking this oath as district attorney, your
top law enforcement official, and.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Not meaning it.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
And that oath was to see that everybody is equal
under the law, meaning nobody is above the law, especially
the elected folks that we've been talking about. But that's
the way they've played.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It that way.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Can you hold back?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
All right?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Kim og Our, Harris County District Attorney. Coming up.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
The Michael Berry Show. I went home with the oasis
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the way I always do.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
How was that.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
She was away of the russ to.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Back in twenty twenty two, there was a sheriff's deputy,
young kids at home, driving home to see them, and.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
He shot through the window and killed.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Pretty terrible, awful thing to happen, And I wonder how
many people realize how the murderers were actually caught.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Kime Out.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I don't know if you've told the story publicly, but
I know a lot of folks in law enforcement and elsewhere,
and this story has become legend.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Would you like to tell how you caught the bad guys?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Well, I can't take the credit. Law enforcement over at
the Homicide Division caught the murderers. This is Deputy Erson.
Is that who you're talking about? He was gone to
He was headed out just to pick up some fast
food for his family on a Sunday afternoon. Late he
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was shot through his car window by two murderers. The
police were able to immediately identify the car, but the
film did not capture the license plate. They knew two
individuals were involved, but they couldn't identify them through the
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vehicle windows.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
They had the idea.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Because so many people are on bond of investigating who
had an ankle monitor on in that vicinity at that time,
and like the Latto, but much better odds. It was
immediately learned that two defendants, one out on a bond
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for capital murder the other out on a bond for murder,
were in fact the culprits. They've been charged. They're charged
with capital murder, they are likely to face the death penalty.
That's been our decision, and the judges reacted in an
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odd way. Some did. Now, law enforcement and prosecutors are
required in our criminal district courts, felony courts to ask
the judges to sign an order so that law enforcement
and the prosecutors can get records of people's activity as
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supervised by the pre Trial Services Group while on bond,
even and for murder, even when it's to try and
solve a new murder. I've never seen that requirement. It's
something unique to Harris County and it's just not the
way things are supposed to be. Cops should not be
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impeded in the timing of their investigation by these requirements
of Mother May I to the courts who are responsible
for supervising criminals on bond while awaiting trial. So we
have a unique approach by our judiciary. It's not mimicked
elsewhere in the state. And it's a public safety issue.
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And so that's the basis of some legislation that I
think crime victims will be seeking in the next session
from their state representatives and senators the ability to get
to the evidence of bad acts by people on bond
instead of being impeded. Because it's embarrassing when folks commit
crimes and they're under your provision. It's just amazing what's
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happening to our system, and regardless of party, it's imperative
that we stop it. It's a mentality that just doesn't
work in the real world that people are going to
go out who are charged with murder and capital murder
and what go get jobs. I mean, it's just not
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a realistic position. And you'll hear the excuse that the
law demands this. Don't blame the law. The law places
the responsibility on our judiciary to make decisions balancing the
interests of keeping us safe and ensuring somebody has the
right to defend themselves adequately. I believe in both rights.
But judges are charged with making a decision, and when
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they make decisions in favor of criminals and their interests
over our public safety, I think that's a concern and
it should not be being promoted. So that's some of
the stuff that's happening. I imagine that's what you've heard
from COMPS, is that they're having trouble getting warrants, getting
a warrants son having trouble having trouble getting orders that
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were not necessary a year.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Ago, kim on Harris County District Attorney. I asked that
to lead into two questions, the first being, you made
a statement that got a lot of attention about a
month or so ago when you laid out, actually, how
many people are walking the streets next to our sons
and daughters, mothers and fathers, wives and husbands and brothers
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and sisters and friends who are out on a murder
charge and they're out on a bond, walking around seemingly
with nothing to lose.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And that number shocked people.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
That number is over eight hundred people charged with murder
or capital murder on bond or on the lamb, meaning
they're fugitives living among us or somewhere in this country
or world. They're out there. We've got another eight hundred
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in pending status, meaning we've got seventeen hundred total people
currently charged. And police are getting better at solving these
crimes because of the cameras and phones. The evidence is
just replete generally, and that's how they're solving so many
more cases. How do I know that it's they're filing
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double the number of homicides solved, homicides that they did
even as late as twenty eighteen. So instead of two
hundred and fifty filed homicides, we're seeing more than four
hundred and twenty in a year. Those are filed cases
out of a probable total of about six hundred and
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some murders each year county wide. So we'll be we'll
be posting those numbers on our website starting October. They're
obtained from four different police departments biweekly, and we keep
our own homicide count because if you read or listen
to media, I'm afraid what you hear is that crime
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is down. What our numbers show is that there were
more people murdered in twenty twenty two than in the
past thirty years, the highest number since nineteen ninety two.
And you know, we were known back in the late
eighties as the murder capital of the world. So when
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you ask what is the importance of the DA, how
would you like that for your economic slogan, trying to
invite people to live or do business here. The murder
capital of the country that was Houston in the late eighties,
early nineties. We cannot let that happen again. We have
to invest in our own safety. So don't let your
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money be wasted. Know what your commissioners are spending their
money on.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Know what you're say.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Segment. I want to talk about the judges, sure, all right,
hanging tight.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I want to talk about the control Rodney Ellis and
George Sorows and the Social Democrats have over these judges,
because I hear stories from the judges communities about the
fact that they are scared to death to allow a
conviction of a murderer in their court or they'll be
kicked out of office.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
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