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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Vari Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Baseball legend Pete Rose has passed away. Rose was one
of the greatest hitters in baseball history and holds a
Major League Baseball record for all time hits. But Pete
Rose never made it into the Baseball Hall of Fame
because he was banned for life for betting on games
while manager of the Cincinnati Reds. Rose later admitted to
betting on his own team's games, but said he never
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threw a game and never bet against his own team.
Rose played to the majors for twenty four years. Pete
Rose was eighty three years.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Old, and here comes a main attraction.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Man. They're on their feet, Rose walking toward the play
the most famous number fourteen in the history of this game,
and trying to make history right here. In the first
Jenning Tonight, Will was about a couple of times Shall
kicks and he fires?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Rose ways the dawn so.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Love pographs death number forty one ninety two. A live
drive Sayle into left center field, a clean base enter
that is pandamonium. I'm here in River Prince Stadium. The
buyer works exploding over her head the Cincinnamity dugout has emptied.
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The applause continues outobated Rose, completely encircled by his teammates.
At first page, Joe White an emotional scene here at
the ballpark.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I want to be a base bows with my own
to baseball car. I won to be the god that
wins the game.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
People have thought I was sold a little off my
rocker day. Over the last ten years or so that
I have argued that Pete Rose should be in the
Hall of Fame. And I noticed after the news Emergency
died yesterday, people who have never commented about Pete Rose before,
certain not positively. Their response to his death is he
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should be in the Hall of fame. Did he have
to die to win his way in? To earn his
way in? But he cheated Michael, I know, and he
was punished, severely punished. In the law, there is something
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known as proportionality, and the concept is we don't give
somebody the death penalty for stealing a pack of gum.
We don't give someone a slap on the wrist for
murdering someone. The punishment should fit the crime. These are
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knar words of our jurisdiction, of our jurisprudence and our
jurisdiction of our jurisprudence that for centuries have been established
prior to the establishment the foundation of this country as
a nation. These are Anglo American principles. Proportionality, It's what
a merciful, advanced, compassionate, thoughtful, rational people do.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You don't give the death penalty to everything.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
And effectively, p Rose got the death penalty from the
Hall of Fame, from the greatest honor a baseball player
can receive.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Now, did he do something wrong? Yes?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Should he have been punished yes? Was he punished more
harshly than any player in sports history, There's no question
about that, when other players did far worse. That man
gave a lot to the game does not absolve him
from what he did. I think there's a lot of
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embarrassment within baseball because nobody was bold enough to step
up and say, Okay, he's paid his dues. It's been
over three decades now, he's paid his dues. Did he
go off and trashed the game? No, he did nothing
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more than try to make a live and sign an
autographs showing up at sports events. I respected the fact
that the Cincinnati Reds organization inducted him into their team
Hall of Fame, but he deserved to be in his
lifetime given the owner that meant so much to him
and what makes him so special. I think he played
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twenty three years and I believe he was an All
Star seventeen times. He has more hits than any player
ever will. He holds more records. You have to get
into Nolan Ryan, Pete Rose. You have to get into
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just a handful of players with that level of records
that they hold and things that they accomplished in their career.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It bothers me.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
It bothers me in the way that it bothers me
that people are in prison right now for January sixth.
You have to care when injustice is administered in the
name of supposed justice.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And imagine this.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Today's sports shows will talk about Pete Rose all day long,
from the earliest morning show until the latest network television
sports shows and radio sports shows. They will talk about
his death and his amazing career, and they'll talk about
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the fact that he was banned for life for gambling.
The number one sponsor of sports radio in the country
gambling sites. You know, there's a weird thing in the
American fiber a dichotomy, nice way to say hypocrisy, an
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absolute and utter hypocrisy. And that's all I have said
about Pete Rose. For now, in just a little while,
not right now, hold you fire, just a little while,
I'm gonna ask you a question that I've been thinking
about the last couple of days. In fact, I've given
a lot of thought to this, and that question is
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there are people out there who did not and you
may be that person who did not vote for Trump
the first time in twenty sixteen, did not vote for
Trump in twenty twenty, but this year are going to
vote for Trump. Elon Musk has made that statement, Robert F.
Kennedy has made that stated. Nicole Shanahan has made a
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lot of people. I am not as I know. Some
people are saying, well, you're an idiot, because at election
time it's big tent time. Winning an election necessarily means
bringing people onto your side with whom you did not
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keep counsel before. That's the only way you can win.
That's the strategy. Democrats are good at that. Hey, you Palestinian.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Terrorists, come on over here.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Hey, gays, get over here with the blacks. The conservative
Christian blacks that believe that you're immoral and awful.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Get over here. Hey, trainees, y'all get over here too.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
They want everybody because they want to win, because they
can't just cheat and win. They need some votes too.
If you're one of those people, Ramon, just mark them
as one, two or three.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So I want you to say.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
If you're going to vote in this election, you're a three.
You know I had to say that when you call
Ramon and mark them as a three.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
If you voted for.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Trump in twenty sixteen, if you've been with him all
three times, I want you to hold your fire. We
will get to you. But I know there's a lot
of those. If you didn't vote for him in sixteen
but did in twenty, you'll be a two. Ramon got that,
But I first want to see if we can flesh
out the folks that didn't vote for him in sixteen
and twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And I'm not going to beat you up for it.
I give you my word. I want to hear what
changed for you, what changed in your mind? So hold
your fire.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
We're not going to call in yet. We're going to
talk to Tony Buzzby coming up. He is representing a
lot of the folks uh in the P.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Diddy click case that are alleged victims of P. Dizzy's
sexual assaults. That case has gone national. Tony Buffbi Michael.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Getting me out of the.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Man.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
That's Tony Busby Lawyers. Guns and money, Tony. I don't
know how many guns you got, but I know about
the other stuff.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
I have a lot of guns.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Well you had a tank? Yeah? How well did that
go over on River Oaks Boulevard?
Speaker 6 (09:26):
You know, I think most people liked it. There's always,
you know, a few people that want to be mad
about everything, So that's just how it goes.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Is this the earliest you've been up this year?
Speaker 6 (09:38):
No, sir, I've been up for several hours.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Is that true? Yeah, you just stayed up all the
way through.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
I'm an early riser.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I did not know that.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Oh yeah, I like to watch the sun come up
and smoke a cigar. I'm doing good. How about you?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I'm doing fantastic. Where are you right now?
Speaker 6 (09:57):
I'm here in our great city of Houston.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You still live on Revotion Boulevard?
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Yes? There?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I do tell me about your ranch.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Somebody got invited to your ranch that I haven't been to,
and said it.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Was just amazing.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Well, there's I don't want to that. This is going
to make me sound like a jackass.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
But that ship's already sailed.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Well there's two, so I got to know which one
you're talking about. If you're talking about the one in
deep northeast Texas. Probably it is about seven thousand acres
in the piney woods near Atlanta, Texas, which is south
of Texas, Cana. And you know, it's rolling pastures and
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pine pine trees and some hardwoods and creeks and ponds.
And we have a bunch of different kinds of animals,
from kangaroos, the zebras to ostrich emu, every kind of
animal you can think of, with exception of I don't
have drafts like mattress mac has. But beyond that, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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no I don't have I don't have that. But kangaroos, Yeah,
we have some kangaroos. They're really cool.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I'm told it.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Kangaroos will absolutely kick your ass, like they will fight you,
and they mean it.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
They'll kill you some of them. You know, we have
one of one of the kangaroos we rescued. Somebody was
raising it in their backyard. In Dallas, of all places,
and it got to where it could jump over their fence.
And that's a really sweet one. I mean, they would
bring it in the house. But but they can be aggressive.
They don't like dogs, so I have to keep I
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gotta be very careful about my beagles around them because
they'll chase they'll chase a beagle down and try to
kill it. But but they're they're cool animals.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I didn't I'm never known of anyone to have a
kangaroo that that texts the box.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
All right, where's the other beach?
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Well, we have another place in Burton, right around Brenham
and oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah, And you've got a place in Galveston because my
buddy Jimmy Pappas saw you down there recently.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Yes, yeah, we like to be in gallag You picked.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Your own career. You should have studied.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
So you are involved in this p Diddy case for
people who for people who may not know who he
is as a cultural phenomenon, and he is that he's
very well known, he's very very influential in many sectors.
How would you explain to people who p did he
is or Sean Puffy Combs or however you're going to
refer to him.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Yeah, it's hard, hard to figure out what to call him.
But his name is Sean Combs. He's had a lot
of different imaginations of his name over the years, but
he's a He started out as a performer, a rap artist,
very popular in the nineties I think it was early
ninety had a lot of hit songs, collaborated with a
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lot of people, launched a lot of people's careers, people
like Justin Bieber Usher. You may remember what was the
Biggie Yeah, Biggie Smalls Yeah. And then there was that
you may remember, the big the controversy about East Coast
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Rap and West Coast Rap. He was kind of the
leader of the East Coast Rap. And then he then
he kind of graduated into a producer, and then he
had a tequila company and then a clothing company, and
you know, at one point he was he was considered.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
To be a billionaire.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
I'm not sure if that's the case now, but.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
We're about to find out.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
All we we're gonna find out.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And over over the.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Years, you know, he he became known for these parties
he would throw and he would throw parties uh in Manhattan,
uh out and also in the Hampton's also in in
l A. And the parties became this this thing that
everybody he wanted to be invited to. It was like
the party to be invited to. People like you know,
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Leo DiCaprio and Oprah and all these these so called
celebrities would would be at these parties, and apparently, you know,
at the somewhere around midnight or one o'clock, the party
would shift from just the kind of party that maybe
you and I might attend to something that became really sinister.
He apparently brought women and men from across the country
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and paid them or coerced them for sex, and it
was you know, he's been indicted now, of course in
New York, and he's in jail right now. They've denied
him bail twice. But I think we're just this is
just a tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I mean, we.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Began signing up cases about three months ago on this
and uh, this morning I was told that we have
one hundred and one clients that have been vetted that
have some proof that can be pursued in court of
being sexually exploited by Sean Combs. And there's a lot
of other facets to this. You know, obviously the companies
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that he was engaged with were profiting off of this,
you know, this whole culture that he created. And then
there's a lot of other celebrities and people that were
involved in this, people that stood by and watched or
in some cases participated. So this you know, we remember
the old Epstein thing that's kind of still going on,
and all the various people that we always wondered who
were involved with that. I think this is going to
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be the same kind of thing, but bigger.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I suspect you're right.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I suspect that this thing is going to be an
onion that keeps getting peeled further and further to reveal
deeper and deeper layers of celebrity and government. And it's
going to be interesting and disturbing to watch, but it
needs to come out. Your first client, I think, was
a woman in Houston who alleges she's a victim of
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all of this.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Uh No, that was that was there was.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
There is a woman.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Who is represented by another lawyer, who who had a
press conference a couple of days back, who complain or
alleges that something happened. I think she's talking about in
the year two thousand. But but there's been I think
seven total cases filed against him at this moment, but
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never never of the volume that that he's about about
to see. And I think one of the one of
the things that a lot of people don't realize is
that is that it's it's actually more males than females
who have been exploited in abuse by by this whole
thing that's going on. You know, that's not that's not
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self evident. You know that's a little that's contrary to
the rap culture. But the truth is is, you know,
the allegation is that he targeted young young men, and
you know they were just as targeted, if not more targeted,
than young women.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Yeah, there are some names who appear in the allegations
of folks, including Justin Bieber who you mentioned, and Usher
and is it Mace meets What's what's the mace? There's
a video with Justin Bieber.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I'm sure you've.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Probably seen it now when Bieber is fourteen years old.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It is very, very disturbing.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Can you hold with us for a minute, sure, Tony
Busby is.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Our guest.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Supporter.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Who've been to supporter?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You haven't been with the Michael Berry and I.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Haven't been to Europe.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Tony Busby, a high profile attorney, is our guest. We're
talking about his case against Sean Puffy Comb's p Diddy,
whatever the name. He has one hundred and one clients
signed up right now with charges of some sort against
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Sean Combs. Tony, let's talk about the allegations themselves. And
I realized those range quite a bit. And you mentioned
a little bit about drugging folks, non consensual sex, those
sorts of things. Can you give us just a range
of what we're talking about.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Yeah, I mean it ranges from rape, which is in
New York, violent sexual assault, which includes you know, non
consensual sex, rape, sexual abuse, which would include sexual contact
facilitated sex with a controlled substance, which is in my
view as I review each of these cases, is kind
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of the overwhelming thing. There's always some sort of drug involved.
It looks like it's a date rape drug, which is
why I'm very, very interested to know what the FBI
I seize, because they obviously seized various drugs that they
found at his two residences. We know that that some
of these these clients who went to the to the
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doctor after these events, found drugs in their system, including
a drug that I wasn't familiar with. I'm trying to
get the name of it, but it's basically commonly called TRANKU.
It's a horse tranquilizer, which is which is a strange thing,
but several, uh, several of these clients had this drug
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in their system, which I'm told is they lace they
lace other drugs with this drug. It makes people feel
lethargic and and kind of lose all their inhibitions. So
these are the types of claims, the kind that you
would you would typically expect, and this kind of behavior groping, uh,
you know, videoing someone without the permission, false imprisonment, sexual
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abuse of minors. There's a whole litany of claims depending
on the particular case, and these cases will all be
filed individually. Probably most of them will be filed in
New York, but some will be filed in California, and
each client will have his or her own case with
his or her own claims.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
And when we talk about where they'll be filed in
which court we'll have jurisdiction, are we talking primarily about
the location where this occurred?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
How would that be determined.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Well.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
As you probably know, the venue is typically either where
the act occurred or where the defendant resides. So a
lot of this conduct occurred in New York, and of
course Sean Combs has his primary residence in New York,
although he may argue that it's in California, but in
any event, it's either New York or California. So that's
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the reason most of these cases will be filed in
New York or California. The good news for these claimants
is that both New York and Californifornia have very liberal
statue limitations, so that you can capture conduct that happened
more than twenty years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
What is that statute of limitations?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Is it specific? Is it twenty five years? Is it lifetime?
For these types of things?
Speaker 6 (21:18):
In New York, it's essentially lifetime as long as you
bring the claim in March of twenty twenty five. Of course,
there are other various limitations, probably too much to talk
about here, but essentially very generous, very liberal statue limitations
in California and New York, which is why I expect
most of the cases to be filed in those two states.
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Georgia as an example which some of this conduct occurred
in Georgia. Its statute limitations is two years. Texas has
a statute for this type of conduct of only five years.
But New York you can capture conduct that goes back
thirty years. So it really depends on, you know, if
it happened in New York, or you can sue Shawn
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Combs in New York because he's a New York residence,
then you can a resident, then you can then you
can bring a civil claim against him.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Tony Busby is our guest.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
We're talking about his clients, his cases against Seawan Comb's
Puffy p Diddy. Obviously, Seawan Combs is in real legal
jeopardy from a criminal perspective. Presently, if something happened to him,
he epstein or he's epstein. If something happens to him,
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he files bankruptcy, because these cases are going to be
pouring in and he's going to be defending himself and
all of this.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You hinted or alluded to other.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Folks who benefited from his behavior, who it sounded like
might be in your targets.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Yeah, I've always, you know, I've always when I started
taking these cases. I took them with an eye to
making sure that we captured everybody in what I call
the silent accomplices or the the you know, the enablers
behind closed doors, the that there are a lot of
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different people that were involved in this, that enabled this,
that sat by and watched it, watched it occur, that
knew about it, that did nothing to stop it. And
then there's corporate entities involved. You know, Seawan Combs made
a lot of money for a lot of different corporations,
and uh, you know, we're all learning about his conduct now,
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but it was it was a secret that everyone knew about,
certainly in the entertainment industry. People knew what kind of
things he was up to. People knew that that, you
know a lot of his parties that are at a
certain point in time that if you didn't want to
be involved in this kind of conduct, you better leave.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
He made it very clear. I mean there's a there's
a public recording of him essentially saying as much from
a balcony where he talked about you know it's at
some point tonight everybody needs to leave that's not going
to participate, and you know, the message was sent but
it wasn't a secret. It was a secret to us.
I didn't know about it, obviously, but the entertainment industry
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knew about it, and a lot of entertainment companies and
individuals made a heck of a lot of money because
of this culture that he created, and we're going to
be looking towards them as well.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
The Justin Bieber video, which I'm sure you've seen, is
very disturbing, not because he's Justin Bieber, but because at
the time he's I think fourteen, about to be fifteen,
and Seawan Combe says, we are in an undisclosed location
and we're going to have the next forty eight hours
just be wild. And you think about you know, what
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kind of parent gives over their team. A minor cannot
consent to sex. That's why we call it statutory rape.
It just cannot happen except for in the rarest of
circumstances if they're close in age, and we don't want
adults to be having sex with children. And that's pure
and simple the case. Do you have any at this point,
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I'm sure you're going to be signing up more. Do
you have any clients who were under age at the
point of the alligate of the alleged activity.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Twenty four of the one hundred and one were underage.
One was as young as nine years old.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Oh, Tony, can you hang with us?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Sure, Tony Busby's our guest.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Michael Berry, we think sweet tea.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Wait, don't you think social less?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Coday buck ringing on the flock so notorious they got
to know that. I think Tony Busby is our guest.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
He represents one hundred and probably counting alleged victims of
Sean Comb's p Diddy Puffy, you know, the whole Tupac
Biggie rivalry. And if you don't, just rest assured. This
portends to be as big as Epstein case. In a
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case like this, Tony for a for a plane if
you know you talked about I think twenty four of
the victims were under alleged victims were under the age
of eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
They were miners at the.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Time and we were going to break I think you said,
the youngest being nine. What does the claim for a
victim like that look like? Is there a specific amount
of money you ask for?
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Not? Not typically, I mean I don't. It's kind of like,
what is the value of human life, it's impossible to
put a number on it. I mean, you obviously want
to get as much as you can for the client
based on the circumstances. But I rarely put a dollar
amount in the pleading unless the court requires me to
and kind of let the case work itself through the system.
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And when we get to a point where we know
all the facts and know we know how you know,
what the impact is, then we try to sit down
and come up with a number that's doesn't shock the conscience.
When we obviously were shooting high. I mean, that's what
I don't get paid. I get you know, people hire
me to get money. Unfortunately, the civil justice system that's
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all it can do. Only it only provides money damages.
But one thing to note about about these cases specifically,
twenty four of these people were miners at the time
this happened. You know, you have parents who who were
just in awe and just starstruck by by Shaan Combs
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and who he was, especially back in this timeframe when
he was really big, back in the two from two
thousand to two thousand and fifteen twenty twenty timeframe, he
was he was the guy. If you will, and parents,
you know, would willingly hand their child over to him.
I mean you mentioned Justin Bieber as an example. It
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was fourteen. We know, Usher was I think twelve or
thirteen when he connected with with Sean Combs. There's a
lot of a lot of children who were basically flown
and put into his care and he violated that trust
and you know a lot of there's some of the
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quotes that that that we have, you know from some
of these these kids, you know, just completely ruined their lives.
You know, they had these huge dreams of being a star,
and he made all these promises. You know, it's the
same mo. It's you know, I'm gonna you're gonna get
a record deal, You're gonna do this, You're gonna be
able to do this. But in order to do that,
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you have to do this, and don't worry, it's everybody
does this. And then to loosen them up, you know,
give give kids drinks and drugs and and you know,
just essentially destroy their lives and then just when when
they're when he's finished with them, you know, and makes
threats against them against their family of retribution if they
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ever say anything about it. So that's kind of the
MO and that's kind of how it went for twenty years.
According to these people.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
You talk about the threats to silence people, and that's
a theme that's actually been out there for several years
of these threats.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Do you have folks who.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Alleged that the threats were ever acted upon, harm was
brought down on them as a result of talking, because
there have been people talking for a while.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Yeah. They There have been several different individuals who I've
personally spoken to, who who believe threats came down on them,
but can't prove it. You know, from small things like
all four of their tires being slashed, to you know,
things like that, things that you know, it's hard to
prove who did that, who is responsible for that, but
(29:55):
you know threats, explicit threats being made like keep your
mouth shut, do this, don't do that, and then and
then you know, reminders of just this kind of I
guess you would call that petty, petty type crime of
people breaking you know, breaking a window or slashing tires.
But I don't have anybody who you know, was with
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the exception of one who was who was you know,
physically beaten. I have one client who who alleges that
he was physically beaten and said you will be beat
again if you ever talk about any of the things
that happened. So you know this some of this, some
of these claims are and that's why, you know, you
want to say I believe every victim. But on the
(30:38):
other hand, some of this conduct is so outrageous and
you wonder, how could this go on with so many
people involved for so long? And I think it I
think it just it just re emphasizes that, you know,
Sean Combs uh in New York and l A was
a very powerful person. You know, he's he's hanging out
(31:00):
with Oprah, and he's hanging out with Leo DiCaprio, and
he's hanging out with all the politicians in New York
and California. And you know, he makes that very clear
to these people that you know, not just the threat
of physical violence, but you know, I'll blackball you an industry.
You'll never do anything in this industry. And he has
a lot of different ways to leverage silence. And so
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the good news is this wall of silence, or this
culture of silence obviously is now starting to crumble. And
I wouldn't be surprised if five hundred people show up
with legitimate, documented claims against him and his cohorts.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, apparently he blackballed a lot of people. It's disturbing.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
You know, you talk about his power, are the perception
of power, It's hard to measure that. But he was
able to make people a star. He did have his
own label. There were people that he kind of brought
up and made famous and personally benefited from. It's really
disturbing when you when someone asked, well, why would you
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hand your precious child over to someone?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
This is this?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
You have to have suspicions that this could be happening.
I think that people make a deal with the devil
that this might make my child famous. And the pursuit
of fame and the fact that he has this this
star dust on him makes.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
People do very, very stupid things.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I think people trusted, unfortunately, single moms trusted Jerry Sandusky
with their teenage boys and they end up they ended
up raped in a shower because of it. And that's
exactly what I think you're seeing here.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Thank you're right. And I can't imagine that the guilt
and shame they feel having done this, and certainly if
they had any suspicion whatsoever that it's even worse. And
I mean that'd be a hard, hard pill to swallow.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yes, it would.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I'd like to have you back to talk about where
the Deshaun Watson case up at some point. I appreciate
your time, Tony Buzby.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Thank you very much, sir, thank you.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Have a good day.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You know my problem with that interview now, I want
a kangaroo.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
I sit in Undeita a message during the break and
I said, can we get a kangaroo?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And she said no, they hate dogs. She doesn't listen
to the show, so I knew she can. How'd you
know that? Because everybody knows that? How's everybody know that
you're not from Australia. Oh, we could keep it in
the studio. Oh my goodness. What would we name him?
Huh Yeah. I could bring us drinks, hop around, have
(33:40):
a little Joey. We could talk about how the little
Joey was coming along. We could learn all the kangaroo lingo.
That would be top notch. That's kind of Diddy esque.
So let's not do that. That raises red flags.
It's that time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Vari Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Baseball legend Pete Rose has passed away. Rose was one
of the greatest hitters in baseball history and holds a
Major League Baseball record for all time hits. But Pete
Rose never made it into the Baseball Hall of Fame
because he was banned for life for betting on games
while manager of the Cincinnati Reds. Rose later admitted to
betting on his own team's games, but said he never
(00:35):
threw a game and never bet against his own team.
Rose played to the majors for twenty four years. Pete
Rose was eighty three years.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Old, and here comes a main attraction.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Man. They're on their feet, Rose walking toward the play
the most famous number fourteen in the history of this game,
and trying to make history right here. In the first
Jenning Tonight, Will was about a couple of times Shall
kicks and he fires?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Rose ways the dawn so.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Love pographs death number forty one ninety two. A live
drive Sayle into left center field, a clean base enter
that is pandamonium. I'm here in River Prince Stadium. The
buyer works exploding over her head the Cincinnamity dugout has emptied.
(01:28):
The applause continues outobated Rose, completely encircled by his teammates.
At first page, Joe White an emotional scene here at
the ballpark.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I want to be a base bows with my own
to baseball car. I won to be the god that
wins the game.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
People have thought I was sold a little off my
rocker day. Over the last ten years or so that
I have argued that Pete Rose should be in the
Hall of Fame. And I noticed after the news Emergency
died yesterday, people who have never commented about Pete Rose before,
certain not positively. Their response to his death is he
(02:17):
should be in the Hall of fame. Did he have
to die to win his way in? To earn his
way in? But he cheated Michael, I know, and he
was punished, severely punished. In the law, there is something
(02:37):
known as proportionality, and the concept is we don't give
somebody the death penalty for stealing a pack of gum.
We don't give someone a slap on the wrist for
murdering someone. The punishment should fit the crime. These are
(02:59):
knar words of our jurisdiction, of our jurisprudence and our
jurisdiction of our jurisprudence that for centuries have been established
prior to the establishment the foundation of this country as
a nation. These are Anglo American principles. Proportionality, It's what
a merciful, advanced, compassionate, thoughtful, rational people do.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You don't give the death penalty to everything.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
And effectively, p Rose got the death penalty from the
Hall of Fame, from the greatest honor a baseball player
can receive.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Now, did he do something wrong? Yes?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Should he have been punished yes? Was he punished more
harshly than any player in sports history, There's no question
about that, when other players did far worse. That man
gave a lot to the game does not absolve him
from what he did. I think there's a lot of
(04:05):
embarrassment within baseball because nobody was bold enough to step
up and say, Okay, he's paid his dues. It's been
over three decades now, he's paid his dues. Did he
go off and trashed the game? No, he did nothing
(04:26):
more than try to make a live and sign an
autographs showing up at sports events. I respected the fact
that the Cincinnati Reds organization inducted him into their team
Hall of Fame, but he deserved to be in his
lifetime given the owner that meant so much to him
and what makes him so special. I think he played
(04:47):
twenty three years and I believe he was an All
Star seventeen times. He has more hits than any player
ever will. He holds more records. You have to get
into Nolan Ryan, Pete Rose. You have to get into
(05:07):
just a handful of players with that level of records
that they hold and things that they accomplished in their career.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It bothers me.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
It bothers me in the way that it bothers me
that people are in prison right now for January sixth.
You have to care when injustice is administered in the
name of supposed justice.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And imagine this.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Today's sports shows will talk about Pete Rose all day long,
from the earliest morning show until the latest network television
sports shows and radio sports shows. They will talk about
his death and his amazing career, and they'll talk about
(05:56):
the fact that he was banned for life for gambling.
The number one sponsor of sports radio in the country
gambling sites. You know, there's a weird thing in the
American fiber a dichotomy, nice way to say hypocrisy, an
(06:19):
absolute and utter hypocrisy. And that's all I have said
about Pete Rose. For now, in just a little while,
not right now, hold you fire, just a little while,
I'm gonna ask you a question that I've been thinking
about the last couple of days. In fact, I've given
a lot of thought to this, and that question is
(06:44):
there are people out there who did not and you
may be that person who did not vote for Trump
the first time in twenty sixteen, did not vote for
Trump in twenty twenty, but this year are going to
vote for Trump. Elon Musk has made that statement, Robert F.
Kennedy has made that stated. Nicole Shanahan has made a
(07:04):
lot of people. I am not as I know. Some
people are saying, well, you're an idiot, because at election
time it's big tent time. Winning an election necessarily means
bringing people onto your side with whom you did not
(07:27):
keep counsel before. That's the only way you can win.
That's the strategy. Democrats are good at that. Hey, you Palestinian.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Terrorists, come on over here.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Hey, gays, get over here with the blacks. The conservative
Christian blacks that believe that you're immoral and awful.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Get over here. Hey, trainees, y'all get over here too.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
They want everybody because they want to win, because they
can't just cheat and win. They need some votes too.
If you're one of those people, Ramon, just mark them
as one, two or three.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So I want you to say.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
If you're going to vote in this election, you're a three.
You know I had to say that when you call
Ramon and mark them as a three.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
If you voted for.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Trump in twenty sixteen, if you've been with him all
three times, I want you to hold your fire. We
will get to you. But I know there's a lot
of those. If you didn't vote for him in sixteen
but did in twenty, you'll be a two. Ramon got that,
But I first want to see if we can flesh
out the folks that didn't vote for him in sixteen
and twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And I'm not going to beat you up for it.
I give you my word. I want to hear what
changed for you, what changed in your mind? So hold
your fire.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
We're not going to call in yet. We're going to
talk to Tony Buzzby coming up. He is representing a
lot of the folks uh in the P.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Diddy click case that are alleged victims of P. Dizzy's
sexual assaults. That case has gone national. Tony Buffbi Michael.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Getting me out of the.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Man.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
That's Tony Busby Lawyers. Guns and money, Tony. I don't
know how many guns you got, but I know about
the other stuff.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
I have a lot of guns.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Well you had a tank? Yeah? How well did that
go over on River Oaks Boulevard?
Speaker 6 (09:26):
You know, I think most people liked it. There's always,
you know, a few people that want to be mad
about everything, So that's just how it goes.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Is this the earliest you've been up this year?
Speaker 6 (09:38):
No, sir, I've been up for several hours.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Is that true? Yeah, you just stayed up all the
way through.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
I'm an early riser.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I did not know that.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Oh yeah, I like to watch the sun come up
and smoke a cigar. I'm doing good. How about you?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I'm doing fantastic. Where are you right now?
Speaker 6 (09:57):
I'm here in our great city of Houston.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You still live on Revotion Boulevard?
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Yes? There?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I do tell me about your ranch.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Somebody got invited to your ranch that I haven't been to,
and said it.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Was just amazing.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Well, there's I don't want to that. This is going
to make me sound like a jackass.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
But that ship's already sailed.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Well there's two, so I got to know which one
you're talking about. If you're talking about the one in
deep northeast Texas. Probably it is about seven thousand acres
in the piney woods near Atlanta, Texas, which is south
of Texas, Cana. And you know, it's rolling pastures and
(10:43):
pine pine trees and some hardwoods and creeks and ponds.
And we have a bunch of different kinds of animals,
from kangaroos, the zebras to ostrich emu, every kind of
animal you can think of, with exception of I don't
have drafts like mattress mac has. But beyond that, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(11:07):
no I don't have I don't have that. But kangaroos, Yeah,
we have some kangaroos. They're really cool.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I'm told it.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Kangaroos will absolutely kick your ass, like they will fight you,
and they mean it.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
They'll kill you some of them. You know, we have
one of one of the kangaroos we rescued. Somebody was
raising it in their backyard. In Dallas, of all places,
and it got to where it could jump over their fence.
And that's a really sweet one. I mean, they would
bring it in the house. But but they can be aggressive.
They don't like dogs, so I have to keep I
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gotta be very careful about my beagles around them because
they'll chase they'll chase a beagle down and try to
kill it. But but they're they're cool animals.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I didn't I'm never known of anyone to have a
kangaroo that that texts the box.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
All right, where's the other beach?
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Well, we have another place in Burton, right around Brenham
and oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah, And you've got a place in Galveston because my
buddy Jimmy Pappas saw you down there recently.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Yes, yeah, we like to be in gallag You picked.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Your own career. You should have studied.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
So you are involved in this p Diddy case for
people who for people who may not know who he
is as a cultural phenomenon, and he is that he's
very well known, he's very very influential in many sectors.
How would you explain to people who p did he
is or Sean Puffy Combs or however you're going to
refer to him.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Yeah, it's hard, hard to figure out what to call him.
But his name is Sean Combs. He's had a lot
of different imaginations of his name over the years, but
he's a He started out as a performer, a rap artist,
very popular in the nineties I think it was early
ninety had a lot of hit songs, collaborated with a
(13:00):
lot of people, launched a lot of people's careers, people
like Justin Bieber Usher. You may remember what was the
Biggie Yeah, Biggie Smalls Yeah. And then there was that
you may remember, the big the controversy about East Coast
(13:22):
Rap and West Coast Rap. He was kind of the
leader of the East Coast Rap. And then he then
he kind of graduated into a producer, and then he
had a tequila company and then a clothing company, and
you know, at one point he was he was considered.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
To be a billionaire.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
I'm not sure if that's the case now, but.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
We're about to find out.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
All we we're gonna find out.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And over over the.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Years, you know, he he became known for these parties
he would throw and he would throw parties uh in Manhattan,
uh out and also in the Hampton's also in in
l A. And the parties became this this thing that
everybody he wanted to be invited to. It was like
the party to be invited to. People like you know,
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Leo DiCaprio and Oprah and all these these so called
celebrities would would be at these parties, and apparently, you know,
at the somewhere around midnight or one o'clock, the party
would shift from just the kind of party that maybe
you and I might attend to something that became really sinister.
He apparently brought women and men from across the country
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and paid them or coerced them for sex, and it
was you know, he's been indicted now, of course in
New York, and he's in jail right now. They've denied
him bail twice. But I think we're just this is
just a tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I mean, we.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Began signing up cases about three months ago on this
and uh, this morning I was told that we have
one hundred and one clients that have been vetted that
have some proof that can be pursued in court of
being sexually exploited by Sean Combs. And there's a lot
of other facets to this. You know, obviously the companies
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that he was engaged with were profiting off of this,
you know, this whole culture that he created. And then
there's a lot of other celebrities and people that were
involved in this, people that stood by and watched or
in some cases participated. So this you know, we remember
the old Epstein thing that's kind of still going on,
and all the various people that we always wondered who
were involved with that. I think this is going to
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be the same kind of thing, but bigger.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I suspect you're right.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I suspect that this thing is going to be an
onion that keeps getting peeled further and further to reveal
deeper and deeper layers of celebrity and government. And it's
going to be interesting and disturbing to watch, but it
needs to come out. Your first client, I think, was
a woman in Houston who alleges she's a victim of
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all of this.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Uh No, that was that was there was.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
There is a woman.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Who is represented by another lawyer, who who had a
press conference a couple of days back, who complain or
alleges that something happened. I think she's talking about in
the year two thousand. But but there's been I think
seven total cases filed against him at this moment, but
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never never of the volume that that he's about about
to see. And I think one of the one of
the things that a lot of people don't realize is
that is that it's it's actually more males than females
who have been exploited in abuse by by this whole
thing that's going on. You know, that's not that's not
(16:51):
self evident. You know that's a little that's contrary to
the rap culture. But the truth is is, you know,
the allegation is that he targeted young young men, and
you know they were just as targeted, if not more targeted,
than young women.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Yeah, there are some names who appear in the allegations
of folks, including Justin Bieber who you mentioned, and Usher
and is it Mace meets What's what's the mace? There's
a video with Justin Bieber.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I'm sure you've.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Probably seen it now when Bieber is fourteen years old.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It is very, very disturbing.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Can you hold with us for a minute, sure, Tony
Busby is.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Our guest.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Supporter.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Who've been to supporter?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You haven't been with the Michael Berry and I.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Haven't been to Europe.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Tony Busby, a high profile attorney, is our guest. We're
talking about his case against Sean Puffy Comb's p Diddy,
whatever the name. He has one hundred and one clients
signed up right now with charges of some sort against
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Sean Combs. Tony, let's talk about the allegations themselves. And
I realized those range quite a bit. And you mentioned
a little bit about drugging folks, non consensual sex, those
sorts of things. Can you give us just a range
of what we're talking about.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Yeah, I mean it ranges from rape, which is in
New York, violent sexual assault, which includes you know, non
consensual sex, rape, sexual abuse, which would include sexual contact
facilitated sex with a controlled substance, which is in my
view as I review each of these cases, is kind
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of the overwhelming thing. There's always some sort of drug involved.
It looks like it's a date rape drug, which is
why I'm very, very interested to know what the FBI
I seize, because they obviously seized various drugs that they
found at his two residences. We know that that some
of these these clients who went to the to the
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doctor after these events, found drugs in their system, including
a drug that I wasn't familiar with. I'm trying to
get the name of it, but it's basically commonly called TRANKU.
It's a horse tranquilizer, which is which is a strange thing,
but several, uh, several of these clients had this drug
(19:32):
in their system, which I'm told is they lace they
lace other drugs with this drug. It makes people feel
lethargic and and kind of lose all their inhibitions. So
these are the types of claims, the kind that you
would you would typically expect, and this kind of behavior groping, uh,
you know, videoing someone without the permission, false imprisonment, sexual
(19:54):
abuse of minors. There's a whole litany of claims depending
on the particular case, and these cases will all be
filed individually. Probably most of them will be filed in
New York, but some will be filed in California, and
each client will have his or her own case with
his or her own claims.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
And when we talk about where they'll be filed in
which court we'll have jurisdiction, are we talking primarily about
the location where this occurred?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
How would that be determined.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Well.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
As you probably know, the venue is typically either where
the act occurred or where the defendant resides. So a
lot of this conduct occurred in New York, and of
course Sean Combs has his primary residence in New York,
although he may argue that it's in California, but in
any event, it's either New York or California. So that's
(20:51):
the reason most of these cases will be filed in
New York or California. The good news for these claimants
is that both New York and Californifornia have very liberal
statue limitations, so that you can capture conduct that happened
more than twenty years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
What is that statute of limitations?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Is it specific? Is it twenty five years? Is it lifetime?
For these types of things?
Speaker 6 (21:18):
In New York, it's essentially lifetime as long as you
bring the claim in March of twenty twenty five. Of course,
there are other various limitations, probably too much to talk
about here, but essentially very generous, very liberal statue limitations
in California and New York, which is why I expect
most of the cases to be filed in those two states.
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Georgia as an example which some of this conduct occurred
in Georgia. Its statute limitations is two years. Texas has
a statute for this type of conduct of only five years.
But New York you can capture conduct that goes back
thirty years. So it really depends on, you know, if
it happened in New York, or you can sue Shawn
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Combs in New York because he's a New York residence,
then you can a resident, then you can then you
can bring a civil claim against him.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Tony Busby is our guest.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
We're talking about his clients, his cases against Seawan Comb's
Puffy p Diddy. Obviously, Seawan Combs is in real legal
jeopardy from a criminal perspective. Presently, if something happened to him,
he epstein or he's epstein. If something happens to him,
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he files bankruptcy, because these cases are going to be
pouring in and he's going to be defending himself and
all of this.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You hinted or alluded to other.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Folks who benefited from his behavior, who it sounded like
might be in your targets.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Yeah, I've always, you know, I've always when I started
taking these cases. I took them with an eye to
making sure that we captured everybody in what I call
the silent accomplices or the the you know, the enablers
behind closed doors, the that there are a lot of
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different people that were involved in this, that enabled this,
that sat by and watched it, watched it occur, that
knew about it, that did nothing to stop it. And
then there's corporate entities involved. You know, Seawan Combs made
a lot of money for a lot of different corporations,
and uh, you know, we're all learning about his conduct now,
(23:31):
but it was it was a secret that everyone knew about,
certainly in the entertainment industry. People knew what kind of
things he was up to. People knew that that, you
know a lot of his parties that are at a
certain point in time that if you didn't want to
be involved in this kind of conduct, you better leave.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
He made it very clear. I mean there's a there's
a public recording of him essentially saying as much from
a balcony where he talked about you know it's at
some point tonight everybody needs to leave that's not going
to participate, and you know, the message was sent but
it wasn't a secret. It was a secret to us.
I didn't know about it, obviously, but the entertainment industry
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knew about it, and a lot of entertainment companies and
individuals made a heck of a lot of money because
of this culture that he created, and we're going to
be looking towards them as well.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
The Justin Bieber video, which I'm sure you've seen, is
very disturbing, not because he's Justin Bieber, but because at
the time he's I think fourteen, about to be fifteen,
and Seawan Combe says, we are in an undisclosed location
and we're going to have the next forty eight hours
just be wild. And you think about you know, what
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kind of parent gives over their team. A minor cannot
consent to sex. That's why we call it statutory rape.
It just cannot happen except for in the rarest of
circumstances if they're close in age, and we don't want
adults to be having sex with children. And that's pure
and simple the case. Do you have any at this point,
(25:08):
I'm sure you're going to be signing up more. Do
you have any clients who were under age at the
point of the alligate of the alleged activity.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Twenty four of the one hundred and one were underage.
One was as young as nine years old.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Oh, Tony, can you hang with us?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Sure, Tony Busby's our guest.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Michael Berry, we think sweet tea.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Wait, don't you think social less?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Coday buck ringing on the flock so notorious they got
to know that. I think Tony Busby is our guest.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
He represents one hundred and probably counting alleged victims of
Sean Comb's p Diddy Puffy, you know, the whole Tupac
Biggie rivalry. And if you don't, just rest assured. This
portends to be as big as Epstein case. In a
(26:03):
case like this, Tony for a for a plane if
you know you talked about I think twenty four of
the victims were under alleged victims were under the age
of eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
They were miners at the.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Time and we were going to break I think you said,
the youngest being nine. What does the claim for a
victim like that look like? Is there a specific amount
of money you ask for?
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Not? Not typically, I mean I don't. It's kind of like,
what is the value of human life, it's impossible to
put a number on it. I mean, you obviously want
to get as much as you can for the client
based on the circumstances. But I rarely put a dollar
amount in the pleading unless the court requires me to
and kind of let the case work itself through the system.
(26:56):
And when we get to a point where we know
all the facts and know we know how you know,
what the impact is, then we try to sit down
and come up with a number that's doesn't shock the conscience.
When we obviously were shooting high. I mean, that's what
I don't get paid. I get you know, people hire
me to get money. Unfortunately, the civil justice system that's
(27:17):
all it can do. Only it only provides money damages.
But one thing to note about about these cases specifically,
twenty four of these people were miners at the time
this happened. You know, you have parents who who were
just in awe and just starstruck by by Shaan Combs
(27:40):
and who he was, especially back in this timeframe when
he was really big, back in the two from two
thousand to two thousand and fifteen twenty twenty timeframe, he
was he was the guy. If you will, and parents,
you know, would willingly hand their child over to him.
I mean you mentioned Justin Bieber as an example. It
(28:02):
was fourteen. We know, Usher was I think twelve or
thirteen when he connected with with Sean Combs. There's a
lot of a lot of children who were basically flown
and put into his care and he violated that trust
and you know a lot of there's some of the
(28:23):
quotes that that that we have, you know from some
of these these kids, you know, just completely ruined their lives.
You know, they had these huge dreams of being a star,
and he made all these promises. You know, it's the
same mo. It's you know, I'm gonna you're gonna get
a record deal, You're gonna do this, You're gonna be
able to do this. But in order to do that,
(28:44):
you have to do this, and don't worry, it's everybody
does this. And then to loosen them up, you know,
give give kids drinks and drugs and and you know,
just essentially destroy their lives and then just when when
they're when he's finished with them, you know, and makes
threats against them against their family of retribution if they
(29:05):
ever say anything about it. So that's kind of the
MO and that's kind of how it went for twenty years.
According to these people.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
You talk about the threats to silence people, and that's
a theme that's actually been out there for several years
of these threats.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Do you have folks who.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Alleged that the threats were ever acted upon, harm was
brought down on them as a result of talking, because
there have been people talking for a while.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Yeah. They There have been several different individuals who I've
personally spoken to, who who believe threats came down on them,
but can't prove it. You know, from small things like
all four of their tires being slashed, to you know,
things like that, things that you know, it's hard to
prove who did that, who is responsible for that, but
(29:55):
you know threats, explicit threats being made like keep your
mouth shut, do this, don't do that, and then and
then you know, reminders of just this kind of I
guess you would call that petty, petty type crime of
people breaking you know, breaking a window or slashing tires.
But I don't have anybody who you know, was with
(30:16):
the exception of one who was who was you know,
physically beaten. I have one client who who alleges that
he was physically beaten and said you will be beat
again if you ever talk about any of the things
that happened. So you know this some of this, some
of these claims are and that's why, you know, you
want to say I believe every victim. But on the
(30:38):
other hand, some of this conduct is so outrageous and
you wonder, how could this go on with so many
people involved for so long? And I think it I
think it just it just re emphasizes that, you know,
Sean Combs uh in New York and l A was
a very powerful person. You know, he's he's hanging out
(31:00):
with Oprah, and he's hanging out with Leo DiCaprio, and
he's hanging out with all the politicians in New York
and California. And you know, he makes that very clear
to these people that you know, not just the threat
of physical violence, but you know, I'll blackball you an industry.
You'll never do anything in this industry. And he has
a lot of different ways to leverage silence. And so
(31:22):
the good news is this wall of silence, or this
culture of silence obviously is now starting to crumble. And
I wouldn't be surprised if five hundred people show up
with legitimate, documented claims against him and his cohorts.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, apparently he blackballed a lot of people. It's disturbing.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
You know, you talk about his power, are the perception
of power, It's hard to measure that. But he was
able to make people a star. He did have his
own label. There were people that he kind of brought
up and made famous and personally benefited from. It's really
disturbing when you when someone asked, well, why would you
(32:03):
hand your precious child over to someone?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
This is this?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
You have to have suspicions that this could be happening.
I think that people make a deal with the devil
that this might make my child famous. And the pursuit
of fame and the fact that he has this this
star dust on him makes.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
People do very, very stupid things.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I think people trusted, unfortunately, single moms trusted Jerry Sandusky
with their teenage boys and they end up they ended
up raped in a shower because of it. And that's
exactly what I think you're seeing here.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Thank you're right. And I can't imagine that the guilt
and shame they feel having done this, and certainly if
they had any suspicion whatsoever that it's even worse. And
I mean that'd be a hard, hard pill to swallow.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yes, it would.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I'd like to have you back to talk about where
the Deshaun Watson case up at some point. I appreciate
your time, Tony Buzby.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Thank you very much, sir, thank you.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Have a good day.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You know my problem with that interview now, I want
a kangaroo.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
I sit in Undeita a message during the break and
I said, can we get a kangaroo?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And she said no, they hate dogs. She doesn't listen
to the show, so I knew she can. How'd you
know that? Because everybody knows that? How's everybody know that
you're not from Australia. Oh, we could keep it in
the studio. Oh my goodness. What would we name him?
Huh Yeah. I could bring us drinks, hop around, have
(33:40):
a little Joey. We could talk about how the little
Joey was coming along. We could learn all the kangaroo lingo.
That would be top notch. That's kind of Diddy esque.
So let's not do that. That raises red flags.
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