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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time, time.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Time, luck and load. So Michael Arry Show is on
the air.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
We will talk to the ATF Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearm
is in about five minutes. But first a quick note.
We spoke to Tony Busby during the first break in
our interview and here's what he said. Tony Busby is
our guest.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Tony.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
When when you we're talking about the Sean, Puffy Combs,
p Diddy, whatever name you, Shawn John, whatever name you want.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
To use for him.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
When you when you begin a case like this, there
are a lot of allegations, what is the logistical approach?
Because it strikes me that at some point you got
to start to get your arms around the case. I
know that when someone defends a case like this, they'll
claim that as you ask for more information, it's a
phishing expedition. But a lot of information you need is
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in the possession of the defendant, and you have the
allegation of you know, maybe your client. Now you've got
you said one hundred and one clients. You start to
see certain things that become patterns. What are the what
is the strategy to put together a case like this?
At this point, well.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I have the benefit, of course, of the FBI's work.
They've been investigating Seawancombs for over two years, and so
a lot of the evidence is in the possession of
the federal government right now. Specifically, what I'm really interested
in is the type of drugs that they seized, and
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also eventually the statements that they're going to take. And
I expect that there will be cooperating witnesses, hopefully bodyguards
and the people that surrounded Sean Combs, because it was
always surrounded by bodyguards, and in fact, there's a lot
of allegations that his bodyguards participated in some of this conduct.
So they're facing criminal prosecution themselves, so I expect, you know,
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they're obviously not the target. My hope is and my
expectation is that at some point they will begin to roll,
so I have that benefit for me. The hardest thing is,
you know, we've had twenty five hundred potential contact whether
it be via the Internet or phone, of people who
have come forward to say, you know, I was a
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victim or I have information. The administrative work there is
almost overwhelming, and we have sixty sixty or more people
vetting these people, collecting information, collecting pictures, collecting texts, that
sort of thing. That's the real challenge, and to make
sure that those people that we feel like they've been
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vetted because you know, you know how this works. I mean,
I don't go into this, you know, like a you know,
I'm not naive. I know that there's people out there
that are looking for a payday and are hoping, well,
I'll just say that this happened to me, or I
was at a party, so I'm going to say this
happened to me. So we're trying to make sure that
on the one hand, we don't want to be cross
examining people to the extent that they feel like they're
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not believed or they're not being treated with respect, because
you know, it takes a lot of courage for somebody
to step forward and to say this happened to me,
and you know, in the state of our society, I mean,
it would be the same for me, especially for a
male to step forward and say this happened to me
as a male, but as a female too. It's just
hard because because you know that they're going to be
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roundly attacked. You know that Shawn Combs is going to
have a very high powered legal team and they're going
to their entire lives are going to be you know, investigated.
So this is tough to step forward. So I don't
want to be part of that and traumatize them myself
because because I'm trying to make sure that I properly
these cases. On the other hand, I don't want to
be representing someone who's a fraud or somebody who's just
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trying to get on what they think is going to
be a gravy train, because you know, one bad apple
spoil the whole barrel as far as I'm concerned. So
that's a real challenge, especially when you're dealing with cases
and incidents that happened, you know, five years ago, ten
years ago, in some cases, fifteen years ago. The good
news about about the timeframe is that, you know, several
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states recognize that it's very difficult for somebody to step
forward and say, hey, this happened to me, and here's
how it happened, and you know, I want to seek justice.
The State of New York. I'm not suggesting that the
State of New York is an example for everything in
our country, but one of the things they've done well
is they have a statute limitations in a recovery statue
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that allows, I think until March of twenty twenty five,
anything that ever happened as far back, you know, thirty
years ago, it's still within the statute limitations. You know,
the state of Texas as an example, you know, if
something happened more than five years ago, you know, too bad,
You're too late. So you know, every state has a
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different limitations period as to when you can bring a claim,
and sour of course, we have to be up to
speed on that. We have to be up to speed
on what kind of claims can be brought in the
specific time frames, and then you know, just the nuts
and bolts of gathering the information and vetting the client.
This is a real challenging situation when you're talking about
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people from you know, thirty different states with incidents that
happened as far back as nineteen ninety one that happened
in primarily in California, New York, in Florida, but also
in you know, ten or twelve different other states. So
it's a lot of administrative work and you want to
make sure you get it right, especially when you're when
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it's a case like this against a very powerful person
as you suggest, who's who has a lot of friends
and a lot of places, and also you know people
that you know, there's a reason they call people fans
because they're fanatic, and you know they can be very mean,
ugly and also in some cases violent.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So that ended abruptly because we were coming back from
break anyway, It's it's interesting stuff. There's a podcast that
used to listen to and Crime Town, and the the
theme music they used was from a guy went by
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the name of paper Boy or paper man or papering
paper Boy, something like that, and the song was about
your your crimes will come back to get you, that
there is a sense of justice, that there is a
sense of karma, there is a sense that that there
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that you're wrongdoing will catch up to you at some point. Yeah,
it really is the case that there are powerful people
who and we can get into the deep psychological study
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of why they do this, but there are very powerful
people who transcend professional success and wealth beyond measure, and
they look around for things to satisfy themselves because human
beings have this right. You might be seeking to buy
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a new truck, they're seeking to have a younger and
younger sexual conquest and they've already gone down to nine
years old, and you think, my goodness, how depraved does
the mine have to be? That is one element of this,
and that is a task task, How can this happen?
There was another element to this, which is how many
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people come out and say and do things against the
interest of our country, against the interest of our people,
because they're being blackmailed by folks who use things like
sex for power. Jeffrey Epstein filmed everything for a reason.
He didn't he couldn't possibly have the time to go
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back and watch it. He wanted to compromise people, or
others wanted to use him to compromise people. Very disturbing,
very very disturbing. Firearms stolen from vehicles is a big
way that bad guys get guns and commit crimes without
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ever having to buy one. And we'll talk to ATF
about that coming up, Michael.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Very because you're a public Paul Revere kind of ringing
the warning zone.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Pete Rose has passed a switch hitter, major League Baseball's
all time leader in hits with forty two hundred and
fifty six games played at thirty five hundred and sixty
two at bats at over fourteen thousand singles, thirty two
hundred three World Series Championships, three batting titles, one MVP Award,
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two Gold Glove Awards, Rookie of the Year awards, seventeen
All Star appearances in an unequaled and never will be
five different positions first base, second base, third base, right field,
and left field. Two gold gloves when he was an
outfielder in sixty nine and seventy. Pete Rose has passed,
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and here to talk about Pete Rose and his legacy
is ATF agent Michael Woodell.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Welcome, sir, Michael, How are you, sirfing?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I'm good. How do we put Pete Rose's career into perspective?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Well, I would like to say, you know, he had
some major accomplishments, Yes, that were at some point you
know they were, you know, overturned due to gambling habits.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You're pretty good on your feet. I gotta admit, for
a government guy, I didn't expect you to handle that
as well. Well done. What do you do with yall?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
So currently I'm the special agent charge for the Houston
Field Division, So really it's just a lot of paperwork
at this point. And I get to talk to a
radio show host.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
What percentage of our audience would you guess hates you
solely because you're at the ATF.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I would say about ninety seven percent.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I thought you were going to shoot low. You must
read the Oh, I like, thank you despite what you
do Withdell?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Where were you before you were at the Houston office?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
So prior to Houston, I was in Neil Salvador. I
lived in El Salvador for about three years and I
covered our Central and South America Regional office.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I like to think that somebody in DC said what
are we going to do with Withdell? And they said, well,
send him to Houston. He's got the right accent.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Well, I'm a Texan, so they were very kind to me.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, where are you from?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Originally I'm from Odessa, but I kind of I call
San Antonio area more home. OK, so maybe at some
point you'll wind up back that way.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, San Antonia has changed a lot, it's uh and
not all for the good. San anton was a town
to me, and I say that in a good way.
But the problem with that is so many other people
figured it out and it just doesn't have the infrastructure
I think to hold it not it's not Austin in
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the sense that it's overwhelmed yet. But I'll tell you what,
every time I go, I think to myself, I just
want send a tone for me to visit. I don't
want all these other people to be here.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
You're right, the infrastructure projects they have there, it's a
race to keep up with the population.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Do you not worry about going on my kind of
talk show and just getting beat up?
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I get beat up every day, So this is a
this is a good venue.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Who is your favorite g man of any sort in
the movies other than Elliot Ness and Raylan Gibbings and Justified?
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Well, I would say, does Jason Bourne count?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I haven't seen those Born movies. But that's Matt Damon, right,
I get Ramon romonand though was he a government man? Okay,
all right, okay, fair enough. Is there ever an ATF
agent in a movie or television series that you kind
of looked up to or liked and thought, well, that's
what I want people to think of me as well?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
I can't say that we're always painted in the positive light,
So for movie references, no, certain.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Do you ever go on raids?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
I used to, uh, now that I've gotten older and slower.
I now, you know, typically I'm behind a desk or
in meetings.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
What was the most surprising, uh, firearm you ever discovered
on a raid?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
You know, typically it was a firearm associated with something else.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
You know, I've seen all types of farms. I would
say oftentimes it might have been, you know, firearms that
were hitting baby's rooms, you know, under you know, babi's mattresses.
And so maybe it wasn't the type of farm necessarily,
because I've seen them all. Uh, but it's just, you know,
oftentimes maybe where those firms were kept.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
That's good answer.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So your folks are talking about which is the reason
I wanted to is it with you? In addition to
Pete Rose in your career in Central America about securing
your weapon in your car, which I actually are truck,
which I actually think is a very good thing because
that is one of the most common ways that bad
guys end up with guns that they used to commit
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crimes because they don't buy them themselves. What did you
want to say about that?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Michael?
Speaker 5 (14:22):
First off, thank you again and I appreciate your audience
allowed me or giving me this opportunity for your allowance.
But I'd like to just kind of discuss the numbers,
and I would argue that these numbers are probably very
much underreported. And looking at the numbers for one year
here for the Houston area, there were about sixty four
hundred firearms that were reported stolen to law enforcement. And
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that's a troubling number. It's a troubling trend. And these
are fires. I would say this is probably the biggest
source of farms that go to our criminal elements. That
micro community is dangerous. You know. I'll give you an example.
You know, just this last year in San Antonio, there
were two police officers and under to suspect you know,
on a vehicle stop. They engaged into a shootout with him.
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He shot two police officers before I think he was
ultimately killed. You know, in his vehicle, he had two
firearms that we later you know, through the investigation, showed
that they were unsecured in a vehicle that he had
utilized for that crime spree. You know, that coming back
to the same owner. And so look, Texas is a
gun state. It's a gun culture, and so not you know,
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looking to you know, message like hey, don't carry firearms.
We're just asking people to be cognizant of how they
store those firearms. You know, when they go to an event,
you know, there's criminal elements, there's criminal groups that are
targeting them, you know, making them victims where you know,
I'll give you an example. You know, you might go
to the NRG Stadium. You get there and of course
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you can't carry that firearm in, and so what's typically
happening is someone may take that gun off, put it
underneath the seat of their truck and then go into
that Well, now we have that crime element that knows that,
and so they know that they have a limited opportunity
or limited timeframe. So when they go through that parking lot,
you know, they may see a vehicle, it's a truck,
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it may have an AR sticker on the back, or
a block sticker or you know right to carry, which
is great, but it's an advertisement for that criminal element
that hey, there may be a possibility that there is
a fire inside that vehicle, and so they're taking advantage
of that opportunity and that's what's fueling you know, some
of our you know, I would say a large majority
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of our criminals having access to those firems. It creates
that black market.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That is so true. I think I need a show
sponsor that's a gun vault, and gun Vault is actually
one of the brands. If you you're probably talking to
the to the gun Vault people, could you let them
know that I need a show sponsor in that categy.
I actually do believe that this is important and something
that we should focus on because a high percentage of
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folks listening in our show and should be carrying at
all times and certainly in their vehicle. But securing that
weapon if it's not on your person, because for whatever
reason you separate from it, that is critically important. We
do not want those guns falling into the hands of
bad guys.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
And thank you, Michael. And that's exactly our message. We're
not saying don't carry, We're just saying, you know, to
think ahead, plan ahead. You know, I know that a
cable lock or a gun vault may not be the
absolute answer. You know. Can they be defeated, yes, But
we're just asking for ways to harden your vehicle, you know,
for safe storage. The other message that we would like
to ask is that people to have their gun information
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recorded somewhere. A lot of times people make reports to
report their firearms stolen. But they don't. They don't have access.
They don't recall the serial number of that firearm. It
was never recorded, and so that that firearm can never
be entered into any kind of stolen gun database.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
All very good advice are single handedly improving the image
of the ATF. Michael Wodell, thank you, sir. I appreciate
you than I'm gonna get a bagage I'm gonna get
I'm gonna get him. You're not going anywhere even if
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Trump does. You're not. Ramone didn't believe I could have
the ATF on our show and pull it off without
coming off as a sellout. But I did it the
way the conditions of my parole. I actually kind of
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like the guy. I mean, if you're gonna have an
ATF agent, I mean to read our emails. That's sort
of a bitch. Get him off there. If you're gonna
have an ag let's start with you have an ATF. Right,
If you're gonna have an ATF agent, he's tricking you, Michael.
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He'll take your guns as quick as the next guy. Probably.
I wasn't born yesterday. Probably, But let's start here. Of
the heels he's your favorite, heel right, of your bad guys,
of your villain, of your story. We're pretty good guy.
He loves the show, is what he said. Poor guy,
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Can you imagine, can you imagine knowing man? They'd say,
never meet your hero. I'm not saying to the guy's hero.
But you know you're coming on and you're liable to
get beat up. You know that, right. It's just I
thought he did very well. He handled the Pete Rose
pretty well. I thought that was good. So every morning
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before nine o'clock I have asked David Maulsby at the
at Camp Hope to send me an update on somebody
within the last day that has donated, contributed, volunteered, whatever
that may be. So occasionally I can bring that to y'all.
And he said, well, this morning I'm driving to the
Woodlands to meet with Waste Connections. They made their first
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donation back in Austin in Austin, back in August, and
today I'm picking up a check for forty thousand dollars.
Waste Connections garbage pickup, home and business waste management services
and dumpster rentals. Garbage pickup for home, business, waste dumpster
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rental well that's forty thousand dollars. That's real money. Roll
off dumpster rental, commercial trash compactors. We have a roll
off rental company in Baton Rouge called a one roll
Off and they absolutely kill it with our listeners. It's
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a first roll off dumpster rental sponsor we've ever had
for the show, and I think they made more money
the first month they were a sponsor of our show.
I think they made enough money that first month to
pay for a year on the show and they've been
on with us for several years now. Sometimes you know,
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our listeners need certain things. Obviously, the old model for
radio was car dealers, furniture stores, electric well not so
much furniture stores, mac chains that car dealers and electronics stores.
They're At one point there were a lot of little
best buys and car dealers. That was the big one.
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And our model was, no, we don't want you to advertise.
I still have to teach people this. It's amazing. People
come in and they want to they want to do
what they've always done. They in fact, I turned people
down to be a show sponsor who think of us
as advertising and what they think is we're going to
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throw some money at you, and you're going to say
what we tell you to say, and then we're going
to make a bunch of money. It doesn't work. It
doesn't work like that. I'm not going to do it
to start with, and b our listeners won't respond to that.
We have created a family, a community. We help each
other out as much as we can. We help our
veterans who are beating PTSD. We help people that are
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trying to find a job. We help businesses, whether they
are a show sponsor or not, where we can to
grow their business. We help parents that are fighting their
school district. Those sorts of things are very important to us,
and show sponsors have to go into it with the
mindset that you are contributing to a cause because you
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believe in what we do. And hopefully our listeners when
they need your good or service, will use you, and
hopefully you will give them a great response and then
they will tell me about that. Lewis Floory is the
best of anybody we have. Lewis Floory is the best
at doing this. When he goes out, I don't think
he owns a computer, but he goes out with a
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with business cards and he has a clipboard, and it's
at the end, just like when Max's people go and
deliver a product, you know, furniture, they have a sheet
that they have to get you to sign. And I
think Mac wrote this thing up in nineteen eighty one
and they mimeographed it. It's on that kind of purplishink
kind of deal, and it's it's smudged because it's been
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so many years and you have to read it and
sign it. It says, are you absolutely completely happy? Is
there anything else we can do for you? Remove your furniture,
clean this, wipe this, do this, do this. We'll even
mow your lng. And I asked Mac one time, has
anybody ever taken you up on that? Several several people
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just to see if they would do it, and then
they end up, you know, throwing a delivery guyn extra
fifty bucks or whatever because they just wanted to see
if they were serious about it. But Lewis Flory what
he does is at the end he says, now, have
I made you completely even if he's just come out
to bid the job, have I made you completely happy?
And I show up on time?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Do I do what?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yestely, I'll tell you what I'm blown away. I see
why Michael brags.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Ony.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
He pulls a card out and he hands it to
him and he says, would you mind taking a moment
to send him an email and tell him that? And
so he makes it very easy for people to give
me feedback that they had a good experience. You know,
when you take a little time to do that, it's
amazing what a difference it makes. Matt Bryce Russell, Lebara,
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Samuel Sauti at Big City Wings, Connie Stagner at a
Corey Diamonds. There's so many of these folks that listen
to the show, listen to the needs that you have,
step in and take care of it. That often will
say send them to us. We'll take care of that.
I'll drive over and do that, I'll do whatever, and
it works. Yeah, I'm bragging on us, But the US
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is you and what we have created because of you
over all these years, and I think it's pretty special.
There's nothing else like it in radio. They tell me,
you know, the national guys tell me, there's nothing else
in radio like what we do. It's not just Houston
any longer, but we make a big, a big community,
a big geographic space feel like a small town. And
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only if you've grown up in a small town do
you know what that's like. Only when you lose a
loved one and your church family comes in around you.
Only when you lose a loved one who's a veteran
all his you know, veteran buddies come around. Only if
you lose a loved one and there's still a kid. Oh,
I saw this happen, and all the families of the
school come around. Only if you've experienced that, can you
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understand why that's.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Very I just say, door woke, the left woke, the
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moon was playing the airfl I mean very well. Tim
Wallas plays a skin.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
One gonna take a fair train.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Down at the stair.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
I don't care barely good. I'm gonna have a mountain,
the half mountains.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
The jump off.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Nobody's gonna know. Can't you see wall? Can't you see
what that barmld she been doing me? Can't you see.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Can't you see.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
What that Bama he's been doing me? I'm gonna find me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
The hole in the wall. I'm gonna crawl inside and down.
I hope that he did a scandal doesn't turn out
as it's alleged to involve Obama, that would be unfortunate
to besmirch his wonderful reputation. The longshoreman strike, shutting down
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ports from Maine to Texas, including the Port of Houston,
could cost the US economy three point eight billion dollars
per day or more. The union demands higher wages and
a ban on automated cranes, gates, and trucks. Let's go
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over the logic here. We don't want y'all bringing in here.
We don't want y'all bringing automation in here to move
these containers around because we want to work. We want
to do the work, not those automated cranes. We want
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to do that work. Let us do it, not the automation.
And if you don't let us do it, then we're
not gonna work. Wait what Yeah, yeah, you want to
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bring in automation to move the containers because you don't
want to have to deal with strikes. So we're gonna
go on strike. Wait what Yeah, We're gonna make everybody
love us by refusing to work, and then the supply
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chain will collapse and people won't be able to get
their stuff, and they'll love us. And and we want
a seventy percent raise. I sir, I don't think that's
gonna work quite how you think it is. He in
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an interview, was quoted as saying that he would crush
the company, the country, the country will collapse, and he
will cause that to happen. The head of the union
said that, and to some extent he's right. To some
extent he's right, And I'm not certain that this isn't
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the time to confront this head on Automation is coming.
You know, the buggy whip makers Union didn't want automobiles
and their argument you can go back and read. There
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was much ink spilled over the.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Fact that.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Many people were involved in the economy, equestrian economy, the
horse economy, and that if you automated transportation with the
internal combustion engine, then all those people would lose their jobs.
People who bred horses, rode horses, broke horses, fed horses,
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veterinarians for horses. Same argument. The whaling Institute or the
whaling industry, which was powerful in its day, spilled a
lot of ink and spent a lot of money arguing
that electricity was the work of the devil. Automation is
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here to stay, and if you want exhibit a on
why that is the threat of a strike, the threat
of a strike, the fact that you say, unless you
arbitrarily pay us a lot more money, we go on strike.
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Ronald Reagan's one of Ronald Reagan's most defining moments was
the air traffic controller strike of I think eighty two,
might have been eighty one. The air traffic controllers went
on strike, and it threatened to shut the country down.
Little things that we take for granted because they go
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on regularly, like people being able to get on and
off their planes. When that can't happen, It's amazing how
many things fall apart. But that is one percent as
damaging to our economy and our daily comforts, our way
of life as the ports. Most people don't and why
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would you think very often about how many of your
daily goods come through the port, and not only the
daily consumables at the consumer level retail products. Those of
you who tried to build a house after COVID, remember
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how that went. Where the door that you had planned
to install you couldn't get in. They couldn't install the door,
so you couldn't move into the house. They couldn't install
any of the doors because the doors were tied up
from where they were coming from. Remember that you couldn't
get the locks because the components for the locks weren't here.
(33:47):
How many people couldn't conduct their business because they couldn't
get the supplies they use to repair, build, manufacture, replace products. Yeah,
go ahead and have the strike. Let's do this, Let's
do this. Let's cost the country four and a half
billion dollars. They're saying three point eight four and a
half bion dollars a day. Let's do it. Let's let
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it run for a while, because when that's over. When
when that is over, the union will be busted. The
public will have turned against them. Those members of the
union will go and find other jobs where they're not
put through this hell. How many people I've heard from
from longshoremen that are telling me they don't want to
(34:29):
go on strike because they're not it's going to it's
gonna crush them.
It's that time time, time.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Time, luck and load. So Michael Arry Show is on
the air.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
We will talk to the ATF Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearm
is in about five minutes. But first a quick note.
We spoke to Tony Busby during the first break in
our interview and here's what he said. Tony Busby is
our guest.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Tony.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
When when you we're talking about the Sean, Puffy Combs,
p Diddy, whatever name you, Shawn John, whatever name you want.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
To use for him.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
When you when you begin a case like this, there
are a lot of allegations, what is the logistical approach?
Because it strikes me that at some point you got
to start to get your arms around the case. I
know that when someone defends a case like this, they'll
claim that as you ask for more information, it's a
phishing expedition. But a lot of information you need is
(01:11):
in the possession of the defendant, and you have the
allegation of you know, maybe your client. Now you've got
you said one hundred and one clients. You start to
see certain things that become patterns. What are the what
is the strategy to put together a case like this?
At this point, well.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I have the benefit, of course, of the FBI's work.
They've been investigating Seawancombs for over two years, and so
a lot of the evidence is in the possession of
the federal government right now. Specifically, what I'm really interested
in is the type of drugs that they seized, and
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also eventually the statements that they're going to take. And
I expect that there will be cooperating witnesses, hopefully bodyguards
and the people that surrounded Sean Combs, because it was
always surrounded by bodyguards, and in fact, there's a lot
of allegations that his bodyguards participated in some of this conduct.
So they're facing criminal prosecution themselves, so I expect, you know,
(02:15):
they're obviously not the target. My hope is and my
expectation is that at some point they will begin to roll,
so I have that benefit for me. The hardest thing is,
you know, we've had twenty five hundred potential contact whether
it be via the Internet or phone, of people who
have come forward to say, you know, I was a
(02:37):
victim or I have information. The administrative work there is
almost overwhelming, and we have sixty sixty or more people
vetting these people, collecting information, collecting pictures, collecting texts, that
sort of thing. That's the real challenge, and to make
sure that those people that we feel like they've been
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vetted because you know, you know how this works. I mean,
I don't go into this, you know, like a you know,
I'm not naive. I know that there's people out there
that are looking for a payday and are hoping, well,
I'll just say that this happened to me, or I
was at a party, so I'm going to say this
happened to me. So we're trying to make sure that
on the one hand, we don't want to be cross
examining people to the extent that they feel like they're
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not believed or they're not being treated with respect, because
you know, it takes a lot of courage for somebody
to step forward and to say this happened to me,
and you know, in the state of our society, I mean,
it would be the same for me, especially for a
male to step forward and say this happened to me
as a male, but as a female too. It's just
hard because because you know that they're going to be
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roundly attacked. You know that Shawn Combs is going to
have a very high powered legal team and they're going
to their entire lives are going to be you know, investigated.
So this is tough to step forward. So I don't
want to be part of that and traumatize them myself
because because I'm trying to make sure that I properly
these cases. On the other hand, I don't want to
be representing someone who's a fraud or somebody who's just
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trying to get on what they think is going to
be a gravy train, because you know, one bad apple
spoil the whole barrel as far as I'm concerned. So
that's a real challenge, especially when you're dealing with cases
and incidents that happened, you know, five years ago, ten
years ago, in some cases, fifteen years ago. The good
news about about the timeframe is that, you know, several
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states recognize that it's very difficult for somebody to step
forward and say, hey, this happened to me, and here's
how it happened, and you know, I want to seek justice.
The State of New York. I'm not suggesting that the
State of New York is an example for everything in
our country, but one of the things they've done well
is they have a statute limitations in a recovery statue
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that allows, I think until March of twenty twenty five,
anything that ever happened as far back, you know, thirty
years ago, it's still within the statute limitations. You know,
the state of Texas as an example, you know, if
something happened more than five years ago, you know, too bad,
You're too late. So you know, every state has a
(05:11):
different limitations period as to when you can bring a claim,
and sour of course, we have to be up to
speed on that. We have to be up to speed
on what kind of claims can be brought in the
specific time frames, and then you know, just the nuts
and bolts of gathering the information and vetting the client.
This is a real challenging situation when you're talking about
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people from you know, thirty different states with incidents that
happened as far back as nineteen ninety one that happened
in primarily in California, New York, in Florida, but also
in you know, ten or twelve different other states. So
it's a lot of administrative work and you want to
make sure you get it right, especially when you're when
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it's a case like this against a very powerful person
as you suggest, who's who has a lot of friends
and a lot of places, and also you know people
that you know, there's a reason they call people fans
because they're fanatic, and you know they can be very mean,
ugly and also in some cases violent.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So that ended abruptly because we were coming back from
break anyway, It's it's interesting stuff. There's a podcast that
used to listen to and Crime Town, and the the
theme music they used was from a guy went by
(06:35):
the name of paper Boy or paper man or papering
paper Boy, something like that, and the song was about
your your crimes will come back to get you, that
there is a sense of justice, that there is a
sense of karma, there is a sense that that there
(06:58):
that you're wrongdoing will catch up to you at some point. Yeah,
it really is the case that there are powerful people
who and we can get into the deep psychological study
(07:20):
of why they do this, but there are very powerful
people who transcend professional success and wealth beyond measure, and
they look around for things to satisfy themselves because human
beings have this right. You might be seeking to buy
(07:42):
a new truck, they're seeking to have a younger and
younger sexual conquest and they've already gone down to nine
years old, and you think, my goodness, how depraved does
the mine have to be? That is one element of this,
and that is a task task, How can this happen?
There was another element to this, which is how many
(08:04):
people come out and say and do things against the
interest of our country, against the interest of our people,
because they're being blackmailed by folks who use things like
sex for power. Jeffrey Epstein filmed everything for a reason.
He didn't he couldn't possibly have the time to go
(08:26):
back and watch it. He wanted to compromise people, or
others wanted to use him to compromise people. Very disturbing,
very very disturbing. Firearms stolen from vehicles is a big
way that bad guys get guns and commit crimes without
(08:48):
ever having to buy one. And we'll talk to ATF
about that coming up, Michael.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Very because you're a public Paul Revere kind of ringing
the warning zone.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Pete Rose has passed a switch hitter, major League Baseball's
all time leader in hits with forty two hundred and
fifty six games played at thirty five hundred and sixty
two at bats at over fourteen thousand singles, thirty two
hundred three World Series Championships, three batting titles, one MVP Award,
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two Gold Glove Awards, Rookie of the Year awards, seventeen
All Star appearances in an unequaled and never will be
five different positions first base, second base, third base, right field,
and left field. Two gold gloves when he was an
outfielder in sixty nine and seventy. Pete Rose has passed,
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and here to talk about Pete Rose and his legacy
is ATF agent Michael Woodell.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Welcome, sir, Michael, How are you, sirfing?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I'm good. How do we put Pete Rose's career into perspective?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Well, I would like to say, you know, he had
some major accomplishments, Yes, that were at some point you
know they were, you know, overturned due to gambling habits.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
You're pretty good on your feet. I gotta admit, for
a government guy, I didn't expect you to handle that
as well. Well done. What do you do with yall?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
So currently I'm the special agent charge for the Houston
Field Division, So really it's just a lot of paperwork
at this point. And I get to talk to a
radio show host.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
What percentage of our audience would you guess hates you
solely because you're at the ATF.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I would say about ninety seven percent.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I thought you were going to shoot low. You must
read the Oh, I like, thank you despite what you
do Withdell?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Where were you before you were at the Houston office?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
So prior to Houston, I was in Neil Salvador. I
lived in El Salvador for about three years and I
covered our Central and South America Regional office.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I like to think that somebody in DC said what
are we going to do with Withdell? And they said, well,
send him to Houston. He's got the right accent.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Well, I'm a Texan, so they were very kind to me.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, where are you from?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Originally I'm from Odessa, but I kind of I call
San Antonio area more home. OK, so maybe at some
point you'll wind up back that way.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, San Antonia has changed a lot, it's uh and
not all for the good. San anton was a town
to me, and I say that in a good way.
But the problem with that is so many other people
figured it out and it just doesn't have the infrastructure
I think to hold it not it's not Austin in
(12:01):
the sense that it's overwhelmed yet. But I'll tell you what,
every time I go, I think to myself, I just
want send a tone for me to visit. I don't
want all these other people to be here.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
You're right, the infrastructure projects they have there, it's a
race to keep up with the population.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Do you not worry about going on my kind of
talk show and just getting beat up?
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I get beat up every day, So this is a
this is a good venue.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Who is your favorite g man of any sort in
the movies other than Elliot Ness and Raylan Gibbings and Justified?
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Well, I would say, does Jason Bourne count?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I haven't seen those Born movies. But that's Matt Damon, right,
I get Ramon romonand though was he a government man? Okay,
all right, okay, fair enough. Is there ever an ATF
agent in a movie or television series that you kind
of looked up to or liked and thought, well, that's
what I want people to think of me as well?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
I can't say that we're always painted in the positive light,
So for movie references, no, certain.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Do you ever go on raids?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
I used to, uh, now that I've gotten older and slower.
I now, you know, typically I'm behind a desk or
in meetings.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
What was the most surprising, uh, firearm you ever discovered
on a raid?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
You know, typically it was a firearm associated with something else.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
You know, I've seen all types of farms. I would
say oftentimes it might have been, you know, firearms that
were hitting baby's rooms, you know, under you know, babi's mattresses.
And so maybe it wasn't the type of farm necessarily,
because I've seen them all. Uh, but it's just, you know,
oftentimes maybe where those firms were kept.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
That's good answer.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So your folks are talking about which is the reason
I wanted to is it with you? In addition to
Pete Rose in your career in Central America about securing
your weapon in your car, which I actually are truck,
which I actually think is a very good thing because
that is one of the most common ways that bad
guys end up with guns that they used to commit
(14:16):
crimes because they don't buy them themselves. What did you
want to say about that?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Michael?
Speaker 5 (14:22):
First off, thank you again and I appreciate your audience
allowed me or giving me this opportunity for your allowance.
But I'd like to just kind of discuss the numbers,
and I would argue that these numbers are probably very
much underreported. And looking at the numbers for one year
here for the Houston area, there were about sixty four
hundred firearms that were reported stolen to law enforcement. And
(14:44):
that's a troubling number. It's a troubling trend. And these
are fires. I would say this is probably the biggest
source of farms that go to our criminal elements. That
micro community is dangerous. You know. I'll give you an example.
You know, just this last year in San Antonio, there
were two police officers and under to suspect you know,
on a vehicle stop. They engaged into a shootout with him.
(15:06):
He shot two police officers before I think he was
ultimately killed. You know, in his vehicle, he had two
firearms that we later you know, through the investigation, showed
that they were unsecured in a vehicle that he had
utilized for that crime spree. You know, that coming back
to the same owner. And so look, Texas is a
gun state. It's a gun culture, and so not you know,
(15:28):
looking to you know, message like hey, don't carry firearms.
We're just asking people to be cognizant of how they
store those firearms. You know, when they go to an event,
you know, there's criminal elements, there's criminal groups that are
targeting them, you know, making them victims where you know,
I'll give you an example. You know, you might go
to the NRG Stadium. You get there and of course
(15:51):
you can't carry that firearm in, and so what's typically
happening is someone may take that gun off, put it
underneath the seat of their truck and then go into
that Well, now we have that crime element that knows that,
and so they know that they have a limited opportunity
or limited timeframe. So when they go through that parking lot,
you know, they may see a vehicle, it's a truck,
(16:12):
it may have an AR sticker on the back, or
a block sticker or you know right to carry, which
is great, but it's an advertisement for that criminal element
that hey, there may be a possibility that there is
a fire inside that vehicle, and so they're taking advantage
of that opportunity and that's what's fueling you know, some
of our you know, I would say a large majority
(16:32):
of our criminals having access to those firems. It creates
that black market.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That is so true. I think I need a show
sponsor that's a gun vault, and gun Vault is actually
one of the brands. If you you're probably talking to
the to the gun Vault people, could you let them
know that I need a show sponsor in that categy.
I actually do believe that this is important and something
that we should focus on because a high percentage of
(16:58):
folks listening in our show and should be carrying at
all times and certainly in their vehicle. But securing that
weapon if it's not on your person, because for whatever
reason you separate from it, that is critically important. We
do not want those guns falling into the hands of
bad guys.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
And thank you, Michael. And that's exactly our message. We're
not saying don't carry, We're just saying, you know, to
think ahead, plan ahead. You know, I know that a
cable lock or a gun vault may not be the
absolute answer. You know. Can they be defeated, yes, But
we're just asking for ways to harden your vehicle, you know,
for safe storage. The other message that we would like
to ask is that people to have their gun information
(17:39):
recorded somewhere. A lot of times people make reports to
report their firearms stolen. But they don't. They don't have access.
They don't recall the serial number of that firearm. It
was never recorded, and so that that firearm can never
be entered into any kind of stolen gun database.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
All very good advice are single handedly improving the image
of the ATF. Michael Wodell, thank you, sir. I appreciate
you than I'm gonna get a bagage I'm gonna get
I'm gonna get him. You're not going anywhere even if
(18:20):
Trump does. You're not. Ramone didn't believe I could have
the ATF on our show and pull it off without
coming off as a sellout. But I did it the
way the conditions of my parole. I actually kind of
(18:42):
like the guy. I mean, if you're gonna have an
ATF agent, I mean to read our emails. That's sort
of a bitch. Get him off there. If you're gonna
have an ag let's start with you have an ATF. Right,
If you're gonna have an ATF agent, he's tricking you, Michael.
(19:02):
He'll take your guns as quick as the next guy. Probably.
I wasn't born yesterday. Probably, But let's start here. Of
the heels he's your favorite, heel right, of your bad guys,
of your villain, of your story. We're pretty good guy.
He loves the show, is what he said. Poor guy,
(19:24):
Can you imagine, can you imagine knowing man? They'd say,
never meet your hero. I'm not saying to the guy's hero.
But you know you're coming on and you're liable to
get beat up. You know that, right. It's just I
thought he did very well. He handled the Pete Rose
pretty well. I thought that was good. So every morning
(19:49):
before nine o'clock I have asked David Maulsby at the
at Camp Hope to send me an update on somebody
within the last day that has donated, contributed, volunteered, whatever
that may be. So occasionally I can bring that to y'all.
And he said, well, this morning I'm driving to the
Woodlands to meet with Waste Connections. They made their first
(20:12):
donation back in Austin in Austin, back in August, and
today I'm picking up a check for forty thousand dollars.
Waste Connections garbage pickup, home and business waste management services
and dumpster rentals. Garbage pickup for home, business, waste dumpster
(20:37):
rental well that's forty thousand dollars. That's real money. Roll
off dumpster rental, commercial trash compactors. We have a roll
off rental company in Baton Rouge called a one roll
Off and they absolutely kill it with our listeners. It's
(20:59):
a first roll off dumpster rental sponsor we've ever had
for the show, and I think they made more money
the first month they were a sponsor of our show.
I think they made enough money that first month to
pay for a year on the show and they've been
on with us for several years now. Sometimes you know,
(21:19):
our listeners need certain things. Obviously, the old model for
radio was car dealers, furniture stores, electric well not so
much furniture stores, mac chains that car dealers and electronics stores.
They're At one point there were a lot of little
best buys and car dealers. That was the big one.
(21:42):
And our model was, no, we don't want you to advertise.
I still have to teach people this. It's amazing. People
come in and they want to they want to do
what they've always done. They in fact, I turned people
down to be a show sponsor who think of us
as advertising and what they think is we're going to
(22:04):
throw some money at you, and you're going to say
what we tell you to say, and then we're going
to make a bunch of money. It doesn't work. It
doesn't work like that. I'm not going to do it
to start with, and b our listeners won't respond to that.
We have created a family, a community. We help each
other out as much as we can. We help our
veterans who are beating PTSD. We help people that are
(22:27):
trying to find a job. We help businesses, whether they
are a show sponsor or not, where we can to
grow their business. We help parents that are fighting their
school district. Those sorts of things are very important to us,
and show sponsors have to go into it with the
mindset that you are contributing to a cause because you
(22:47):
believe in what we do. And hopefully our listeners when
they need your good or service, will use you, and
hopefully you will give them a great response and then
they will tell me about that. Lewis Floory is the
best of anybody we have. Lewis Floory is the best
at doing this. When he goes out, I don't think
he owns a computer, but he goes out with a
(23:10):
with business cards and he has a clipboard, and it's
at the end, just like when Max's people go and
deliver a product, you know, furniture, they have a sheet
that they have to get you to sign. And I
think Mac wrote this thing up in nineteen eighty one
and they mimeographed it. It's on that kind of purplishink
kind of deal, and it's it's smudged because it's been
(23:32):
so many years and you have to read it and
sign it. It says, are you absolutely completely happy? Is
there anything else we can do for you? Remove your furniture,
clean this, wipe this, do this, do this. We'll even
mow your lng. And I asked Mac one time, has
anybody ever taken you up on that? Several several people
(23:53):
just to see if they would do it, and then
they end up, you know, throwing a delivery guyn extra
fifty bucks or whatever because they just wanted to see
if they were serious about it. But Lewis Flory what
he does is at the end he says, now, have
I made you completely even if he's just come out
to bid the job, have I made you completely happy?
And I show up on time?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Do I do what?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yestely, I'll tell you what I'm blown away. I see
why Michael brags.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Ony.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
He pulls a card out and he hands it to
him and he says, would you mind taking a moment
to send him an email and tell him that? And
so he makes it very easy for people to give
me feedback that they had a good experience. You know,
when you take a little time to do that, it's
amazing what a difference it makes. Matt Bryce Russell, Lebara,
(24:37):
Samuel Sauti at Big City Wings, Connie Stagner at a
Corey Diamonds. There's so many of these folks that listen
to the show, listen to the needs that you have,
step in and take care of it. That often will
say send them to us. We'll take care of that.
I'll drive over and do that, I'll do whatever, and
it works. Yeah, I'm bragging on us, But the US
(25:00):
is you and what we have created because of you
over all these years, and I think it's pretty special.
There's nothing else like it in radio. They tell me,
you know, the national guys tell me, there's nothing else
in radio like what we do. It's not just Houston
any longer, but we make a big, a big community,
a big geographic space feel like a small town. And
(25:25):
only if you've grown up in a small town do
you know what that's like. Only when you lose a
loved one and your church family comes in around you.
Only when you lose a loved one who's a veteran
all his you know, veteran buddies come around. Only if
you lose a loved one and there's still a kid. Oh,
I saw this happen, and all the families of the
school come around. Only if you've experienced that, can you
(25:47):
understand why that's.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Very I just say, door woke, the left woke, the
(26:25):
moon was playing the airfl I mean very well. Tim
Wallas plays a skin.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
One gonna take a fair train.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Down at the stair.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
I don't care barely good. I'm gonna have a mountain,
the half mountains.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
The jump off.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Nobody's gonna know. Can't you see wall? Can't you see
what that barmld she been doing me? Can't you see.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Can't you see.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
What that Bama he's been doing me? I'm gonna find me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
The hole in the wall. I'm gonna crawl inside and down.
I hope that he did a scandal doesn't turn out
as it's alleged to involve Obama, that would be unfortunate
to besmirch his wonderful reputation. The longshoreman strike, shutting down
(28:10):
ports from Maine to Texas, including the Port of Houston,
could cost the US economy three point eight billion dollars
per day or more. The union demands higher wages and
a ban on automated cranes, gates, and trucks. Let's go
(28:33):
over the logic here. We don't want y'all bringing in here.
We don't want y'all bringing automation in here to move
these containers around because we want to work. We want
to do the work, not those automated cranes. We want
(28:55):
to do that work. Let us do it, not the automation.
And if you don't let us do it, then we're
not gonna work. Wait what Yeah, yeah, you want to
(29:16):
bring in automation to move the containers because you don't
want to have to deal with strikes. So we're gonna
go on strike. Wait what Yeah, We're gonna make everybody
love us by refusing to work, and then the supply
(29:42):
chain will collapse and people won't be able to get
their stuff, and they'll love us. And and we want
a seventy percent raise. I sir, I don't think that's
gonna work quite how you think it is. He in
(30:08):
an interview, was quoted as saying that he would crush
the company, the country, the country will collapse, and he
will cause that to happen. The head of the union
said that, and to some extent he's right. To some
extent he's right, And I'm not certain that this isn't
(30:33):
the time to confront this head on Automation is coming.
You know, the buggy whip makers Union didn't want automobiles
and their argument you can go back and read. There
(30:56):
was much ink spilled over the.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Fact that.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Many people were involved in the economy, equestrian economy, the
horse economy, and that if you automated transportation with the
internal combustion engine, then all those people would lose their jobs.
People who bred horses, rode horses, broke horses, fed horses,
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veterinarians for horses. Same argument. The whaling Institute or the
whaling industry, which was powerful in its day, spilled a
lot of ink and spent a lot of money arguing
that electricity was the work of the devil. Automation is
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here to stay, and if you want exhibit a on
why that is the threat of a strike, the threat
of a strike, the fact that you say, unless you
arbitrarily pay us a lot more money, we go on strike.
(32:15):
Ronald Reagan's one of Ronald Reagan's most defining moments was
the air traffic controller strike of I think eighty two,
might have been eighty one. The air traffic controllers went
on strike, and it threatened to shut the country down.
Little things that we take for granted because they go
(32:36):
on regularly, like people being able to get on and
off their planes. When that can't happen, It's amazing how
many things fall apart. But that is one percent as
damaging to our economy and our daily comforts, our way
of life as the ports. Most people don't and why
(33:01):
would you think very often about how many of your
daily goods come through the port, and not only the
daily consumables at the consumer level retail products. Those of
you who tried to build a house after COVID, remember
(33:24):
how that went. Where the door that you had planned
to install you couldn't get in. They couldn't install the door,
so you couldn't move into the house. They couldn't install
any of the doors because the doors were tied up
from where they were coming from. Remember that you couldn't
get the locks because the components for the locks weren't here.
(33:47):
How many people couldn't conduct their business because they couldn't
get the supplies they use to repair, build, manufacture, replace products. Yeah,
go ahead and have the strike. Let's do this, Let's
do this. Let's cost the country four and a half
billion dollars. They're saying three point eight four and a
half bion dollars a day. Let's do it. Let's let
(34:09):
it run for a while, because when that's over. When
when that is over, the union will be busted. The
public will have turned against them. Those members of the
union will go and find other jobs where they're not
put through this hell. How many people I've heard from
from longshoremen that are telling me they don't want to
(34:29):
go on strike because they're not it's going to it's
gonna crush them.
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