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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When we interview a guest on this show, I don't
just want someone who's in the news. I don't believe
in the good get where someone because they're famous or
they're in the news and look at me, they're talking
to me. I don't find that to be illuminating. In fact,
that's why oftentimes we have as guests the everyman, and
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it might be a shopkeeper and hoboken. It might be
a person who was a victim of crime and has
spoken out and had enough, or someone who's spoken before
a school board and said enough. I'm not a famous person,
but you're not doing this to my child, and I'll
take on this entire school board. Well, our next guest
is somewhere in between, because he has increasingly become a
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famous person of late by telling his story, and it's
a story not of a famous person, but of a
real person. We talk a lot about this transition and
transgender issues, boys who want to become girls and girls
who want to become boys, and whether you have folks
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enabling grooming, you have doctors, and now you're seeing what's
called a d transition, which is where a boy wants
to become a girl or vice versa. And they begin
this process and all of a sudden, somewhere along the line,
they say, wait, that's not what you said was going
to happen. I don't like my body, I don't like
my voice. I don't like how I feel. You didn't
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solve my problem. You made it worse. And it's particularly
troubling when it happens to a young person because now
were they of the age to make such a big decision.
I mean, you can't. You're not old enough to smoke,
not old enough to get a tattoo because those are
potentially permanent, but you're old enough to change your entire identity.
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And yes, sex is a big part of our identity.
Remember when you went to the school dance and they
said boys over here and girls over here? Where do
you go? I mean, these are tough things. Which bathroom
do you go to? What do you do? At certain
times when they say boys here, girls here? You get
in this line, You get in this line and you're confused.
This is a tough issue, and it's not going to
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not be a tough issue. It's always been a tough issue.
But the question we're struggling with as a society today
is what about when a child is naturally confused, which
is what childhood and particularly adolescence is all about. And
you have adults who are supposed to be educators or
counselors or helpers or aid ors, and instead they're pushing
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your child into something so permanent that it's irreversible. It's
a horrifying, horrifying thought. We can talk about transition as
an adult, but transition for a child is a whole
different issue. And what if it becomes the trend? What
if it becomes the bandwagon effect? What if you become
a celebrated person because you've done this? Now we've encouraged
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people to do this when they may not have otherwise.
It's fraught with complications. And the one thing we never
hear from is people who go through this and wish
they hadn't, people who go through it and regret it
until now. Ollie London is somebody I've been following for
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the last few months. Several folks that I follow, writers, podcasters,
media types had suggested, Hey, you got to see what
this guy's writing. It's pretty groundbreaking stuff. His name is
Olli London and the book is Gender Madness. One man's
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devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle to protect children. Ollie,
why don't you tell us your story of how you
got here?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Well, firstly, thank you so much for having me. It's
a pleasure to be speaking with you and to your listeners.
And really I struggled with a lot of identity issues.
So I had a difficult relationship with my dad. He
wanted me to be very masculine. He was very emotionally abusive.
He used to shout at me, curse at me all
the time, and made me feel very worthless. So I
developed more of an attachment to my mum. You know,
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I looked at her and felt like I identified more
with her. I wanted to be more feminine. And as
a kid growing up, you know, as some kids do,
I was playing with Barbie dolls. I was playing with
more girls toys. I like the colored pink. And then
when it got to puberty, I started changing and my
face I started developing severe acne. I changed my looks completely,
and I started to get bullied a lot at school.
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And you know, kids would say, you know, I look
ugly and lo it disgusting, and then some kids would
say I look like a girl. And when I would
go to swimming class, I would get severely bullied, which
has really traumatized me. You know, people would basically say
I had breast or I look pregnant because I was
a little bit, you know, chubby, a little bit of
the big kids. So I used to get bullied for that,
and it really had this knock on effect that traumatized
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me and scarred me for life. So when I became
an adult, the first thing I wanted to do is
really trying to change myself. And I actually moved to
house career and that's the plastic surgery capsule of the world.
And no, you see billboards and advertisements for everywhere, and
there's a huge pressure out there to look a certain
way if you want to be successful, if you want
to be happy. You know, you see television adverts, music stars,
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billboards everywhere telling you the only way to achieve happiness
is to change your looks. So I started having, you know,
a few surgeries and no surgery, and then a few
more surgeries after that, and it just didn't satisfy me.
And I remembered all those people that used to taunt
me and bully me and say that I looked like
a girl, and I was spending and I just thought,
you know what, I want to prove these bullies wrong.
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So I started down this very toxic and dangerous path
of constantly having surgeries, you know, some surgeries. I would
have five surgeries in one day. At one time, I
had eleven surgeries in one day, and it was just
never enough. And the more I would do, the more
unhappy I would be inside. So I would project this
unhappiness in the world. And you know, I was questioning
my gender throughout my life, and then you know, started
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becoming very addicted to TikTok and social media, and you know,
the algorithm was speeding the videos of people saying that,
you know, the reason you're confused is because you're trans.
And you know, if you feel like a boy and
I feel like a girl, and people have always told
you like a girl, it's because you're trans. So I
started to believe all of this, and it would just
feed me more and more of this stuff, and eventually
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I took the plunge and I underwent facial feminization surgery,
which was really painful, changing my entire face to become trans,
and you know, publicly came out and you know, for
a short period of time, which is the case of
many people that become trans I was extremely happy, you know,
I felt confident, I felt good. And then suddenly all
of that change when I realized that, you know, I've
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made a really big mistake, and I thought, you know,
it's now or never. I need to either step back
or continue down this destructive path.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Ollie, that is a lot to unpack, as I'm sure
you're aware. I know you've told your story a number
of times, and I suspect it never fails to shock.
I want to take them peace by peace, but I
want to start at the end and work backward. Where
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are you today? Are you happy? Are you content? Are
you comfortable?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You know, I'm the happiest I've ever been. And I
never thought I would get to a point in my
life where I'd actually be happy. You know, wake up
every day grateful and feeling blessed. And every day I
wake up and I pray, you know, pray to give
thanks to God for saving me and for getting me
out of that dark, toxic place, and just I'm grateful
for life. And I'm also no I've had a really
realization that I had last year when I started going
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to church and finding faith. My realization was that, no,
the true path to happiness is helping others.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Know.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So I thought, if I can use my experience, as
difficult as it was, if I can share that raw
emotional journey with the world, No, I can try and
help all of these other young people, these kids that
are struggling, that are questioning themselves. No, I can help parents.
I can give advice to parents that may have their
children going through this. And you know, I've just changed
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as a person. I've realized, you know, the key to
happiness is to help others. And you know Jesus used
to do and hold.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Right there, Ollie London is our guest gender madness, one
man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle to
protect children things you'll never hear anyone else actually say
for themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
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Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well, if that segment didn't get your attention, I don't
know what will. It's not every day that you have
an Englishman with a received pronunciation accent explaining to you
that he was a boy who identified as a girl
and began having dozens and dozens of surgeries to make
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himself into a girl, at least physically, and then realized
that's a mistake, finds faith dreak d transitions and is
here today to tell us about the process physically and emotionally, mentally,
socially psychologically that occurs throughout all of this, and more importantly,
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something we all have something to do with the political
and cultural implications of all of this. OLLI great start. Wow,
thank you for being willing to talk about things that
may or may not be embarrassing or certainly private. Oli
London is his guest, and yes he's an Englishman. He
lives in London. If you caught the accent or just
(09:45):
outside gender madness, one man's devastating struggle with woke ideology
and his battle to protect children. Now, let's go back
and start at the beginning. At what age did you
realize you were different?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So I started to question myself around age five. So
when I was at elementary school, you know, I wasn't
interested in doing the boys' activities, you know, at lunchtime,
I wouldn't go out and play with the boys and
do sports. I was more interested in hanging out with
the girls and just doing girly things, playing with dolls,
you know, talking about you know, makeup and things like that.
And as a teenager, I didn't fit in at school,
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so I was a real target for bullies. So you know,
bullies can sense someone that's different, so they like to
pick on the weakest person. So they used to target
me every day and bully me horrendously and tell people
not to be my friend and say that was ugly,
laugh at me all the time, and throw things at
me in the classrooms. So it made me feel so outcast.
So I became very much withdrawn. I lacked any kind
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of confidence, I lacked any kind of self awareness, and
I just felt terrible about myself. So I really withdrew
and I told myself, one day, I'm going to change this.
I'm going to prove these bullies wrong. So that's why
I decided to start changing myself. And I thought, you know,
if I can make myself look better and feel better,
dpt this new identity, that I can eventually prove the
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bullies wrong. But in actual fact, I took over from
the bullies because I started technically bullying myself by pushing
myself through all of these irreversible surgeries, and you know,
all this emotional damage that I did to myself and
others around me.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Looking back now, and I know, based on your writings
on Twitter, which I've followed, looking back now, understanding where
you were then, why do you think you were not
quote unquote normal? What made you different? Was it physical?
Was it upbringing? Was what was happening?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, there was a variety of factors, so I couldn't
pinpoint one specific thing. But it was a combination of
my strained relationship with my father. And you know, for
any child growing up, you need that strong, solid relationship
with your father, no especially if you're a boy. It
helps you become a man and helps you grow up
and stuff. And I had a very difficult relationship with him.
He always put me down, always made me feel worth
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So that really played a lot in my identity struggle.
And then of course the bullying and just these questions
that I was never good enough. You know, I had
severe body dysmorphia, questions of gender, but back when I
was a kid, it wasn't really a possibility or a
thing that you can just suddenly change your gender, you know,
I mean if I grew up now, it would be
completely different. I would have been on the hormones and
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puberty blockers at age twelve. So you know, I'm grateful
that I made these decisions as an adult and not
as a child. But no, I think there was a
variety of factors that led me to have that, you know,
just struggling with body dysmorphia and all of these combined
factors depression, and you know, it just makes you think
feel bad about yourself. So you think, you know, is
there an alternative? Can I get a new identity that's
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going to give me happiness? And you know, look how
people that change your identity are treated. You're praised as stunning,
your brave. Look at you know, Dylan mulviney. You're treated
as some kind of hero for doing you know, the
bare minimal of just changing your pronouns. So you know
that really played a part.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Alie London as our guest. The book is Under Madness,
one man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle
to protect children. Will get to the children part of that.
First we're talking about back when you were a child,
and now we've got some time in between where you
can look back and reflect. I want to delve deeper
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and let me just tell you a real quick story
to give you some context. I was giving a speech
a couple of years ago and a woman came up
to me, and it was at a Republican conservative event.
She pulled me aside and she said, my son identifies
as a woman. I don't know what to do. What
should I do? And I said, ma'am, I'm not an
expert in this. I don't really have firsthand experience with this.
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You probably need to get some help, with some help
from people that you can trust. And she said, well,
the counselors are pushing him to transition, and I'm worried
that that's irreversible, and that scares me. Since that time,
I have been approached either in person, which is not
out very often, but by email a lot with these
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sorts of things anywhere from hey, please be kind to
these people. There's somebody's child, even if you don't approve
of what they're doing all the way to what do
I do? I'm scared? What would you tell parents? Because
this is turning out to be more common, whether it's
natural or it's being pushed. What do you tell parents
knowing what you know.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Now, but it really is a terrifying and difficult experience
for any parents. And you know, I get so many
parents messaging me every single day asking for advice, and
you know, it's such a tricky situation because you know,
all parents want the best of their child. They want
to see their child happiness. So when they see their
child struggling, you know, with gender and they want to
change their identity, it is a heartbreaking thing for a parent.
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You know, I don't blame all of the parents, you know,
some of the parents that go ahead and medically transition
their children. I don't blame all of those parents because
a lot of them are being led astray by doctors
and like you you said correctly, therapists and counselors, because
they're not all people out there. You know, there's a
lot of people that are on the payroll of these hospitals.
So it will have a therapist, for instance, that the
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child would be referred to the therapists regarding their issues
of gender identity, and the therapists will immediately refer them
to the hospital and they'll be put on you know,
hormones and pubery blockers, so it's a heartbreaking situation. But
I would just say to any parent out there. I
know some of the kids they don't like to speak
their parents. It's an awkward conversation, but just try your
best to speak to them, because there's nothing worse than
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that child, you know, being at school, being around people
that are telling them to change, and you know, teachers, counselors,
they're going on TikTok, and you know the parent not
being aware of that. So the first step is to
have that conversation with the child and no matter how
difficult it might be for them, you know, speak to
their child, ask them where has this come from? And
you know they might say no, Mum and dad, I
want to be trans. Ask them, why do you feel
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that way? Where has this come from? Is anyone at
school identifying that way? Because most of these kids are
doing it because it's become a social trend. So you
see entire groups, particularly of girls at the moment, tire
groups of girls in a class that will suddenly become
trans or non binary. So I think parents need to
be really aware and pay very close attention to what's
being taught at schools. You know, are they teaching these
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kids about transitioning. Are there no five trans kids in
one class that may be convincing your child to become
trands And just have that conversation. Go and speak to
the teachers and confront them if they're pushing these things
on kids. And just also try to limit your child's
access on social media because I know it's you know,
kids like to rebel, kids love being on their phone,
and for a parent to keep them off their phone,
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it's like so difficult because you know what kids are like.
But I just think if that child is on TikTok
for three four hours a day and they're being pushed
on the algorithm trans things and taking hormones and how
easy it is, they're going to become convinced that that
is the reason they're feeling unhappy. You know, That's what
happened with me. I saw all these things on TikTok
and I thought, you know, this is a message from
the universe or from God that this is meant to be.
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So I think the best thing for parents to do
is pay close attention to what is going on in
your child's surrounding, keep a close eye on any particular
changes in your child's life, and no we know teenagers.
Teenagers go through things. It's very normal they want to
some days. You know, they might want to identify as
at golf or an emo. You might want to identify
as a pirate. You know, kids do that sometimes. But
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we don't go cut off that child's leg and say, Okay,
we're going to affirm you as a pirate. That's not
the thing to do. We have to speak with these
kids and tell them to hang in there, to stay strong.
Because over eighty percent of teens that have severe gender dysphoria,
they actually grow out of it into adulthood. So this
is predominantly a teenage thing.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That come up against a break Hold with me, if
you can hang What Olie is saying is parents have
to be parents don't. When I was growing up, your
parents could stick in front of the TV and the
damage was minimal. Now they get on the Internet and
they are exposed to people who have very nefarious ends
planned for them. Olli London is our guest coming up
Gender Madness. One man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and
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his battle to protect your Michael Barry Change a figure
in the system like a too modern day robinho Olli
London is our guest. His book is Gender Madness, One
man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle to
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protect children. If you're late to the conversation, you can
hear the entirety of this hour on our podcast. It
will be posted shortly after we are off the air
this evening. Olli London went through a transition from male
to female and then regretted it, and he's talking about
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the process that he went through and why. We ended
the segment with some advice to parents, which I would
really boil down to parents. You have to be parents
if your child is starting to demonstrate new behaviors, talk
about new things. You need to be involved because other
kids and tea teachers and counselors and people on the
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internet and TikTok influencers which can have an incredible influence
on your child, can have your kid ready to like
a liming walk off a cliff and if you're not
a parent and stop it, these are irreversible changes. Ollie.
Let's go through the point at which you began doing
a much more serious thing. We're not talking about clothes
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and lipstick anymore. We're not talking about the favorite color pink.
You're going under the knife. That's a serious, serious process.
Talk about your mindset as your willingness or even eagerness
to do this, and how that progressed, because you're talking
about a lot of surgeries.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
A lot of surgeries. I mean it was thirty two
procedures in total. I went under the knife nine times,
and like I said, when I did facial feminization, I
had eleven surgeries in one day. You know, that included
an eye surgery, shaving my eyebrow bone, shaving my forehead,
lowering my head line, changing my chin, changing my jaw.
So if I put my body and face through a
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lot of you know, processes, and it was very, very
painful and traumatic. But you know, at the time, I
thought that was my only fix, that was the only
path to happiness. And that's the mindset a lot of
people have, you know, these young people, they think this,
if I just do one change, I'm going to be happy.
If I just changed one part of me, that's it.
But it's a snowball effect, and that's the issue I had.
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You know, I discussed this very in depth in the
book of How People Are Susceptible. You know, once you
start down the path, it's very hard to come off
that path because you feel like you're giving up on yourself.
So I felt that I had to continue down this
journey to such an extreme that I was putting my
health at risk. And I remember, I believe around twenty eighteen,
I actually went to Armenia for surgery because in the
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UK the surgeons wouldn't perform on me. Went all the
way to Armenia and it was very risky. I went
to this hospital. It was like a Soviet era hospital.
It was like nineteen fifties. Nobody could speak English, and
I with my life. I had my chest cut off
because I used to get bullied as a kid about
my male breasts basically, so I actually cut them off
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and I nearly died in that procedure, and you know,
and that was not my last procedure. I had many
procedures after that, and I didn't care at the time
if I died. So it really was a form of
self harm. And I think a lot of these young people,
these kids that are wanting to transition, it is almost
a form of self harm because they don't feel good enough,
but don't feel valuable, and they're trying to get validated.
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So by transitioning, they suddenly become validated. People say, you know,
you're beautiful, you're stunning, and they affirm that identity. You know,
we see society time and time again, we see examples
like Dilan Malberney as being praised as getting all these
brand deals, and kids are looking at that and thinking,
you know, this is the only way I can achieve success.
You know, this is the only way I'm ever going
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to get attention and be loved. And that's a very
dangerous path. So you know, I was thankfully I woke up,
but you know, there was many points in these surgeries
that I could have easily died and not And you know,
my family tried to stop me every time I'd have
a surgery and I wouldn't listen, I would stop talking
to them, and it was just awful to put them
through that. And you know, in retrospect, it's I realized
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I was really struggling with mental health and my identity.
And that's why I wrote the book because I want
to help other young people. I want to help parents,
because I don't want people to go through this suffering.
It's it's not worth it.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
That is the physical toll. We've talked a bit about
the mental toll. If someone looks you up, Ali is
spelled O l I, it's Ali London. You are described
as a K pop influencer, and you are described as
a transgender influencer. That was a part of your identity.
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It's probably how you made money. You had quite a following.
There's this K pop which is big with which is
an international phenomenon. You became a celebrity out of all
of this. How hard? How much did that drive you further?
Because I think that's what drives Dila molvany more so
than any of this other stuff. How much did that
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drive you? And how hard was that to push back
from and say that's not who I really am?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Right? Well, it did play a big part, because you know,
when you're struggling with your identity and when you've always
felt worthless, you know, the way my father treats me,
the way the bullies treats me. I literally just wanted
to be validated. So by changing myself, having these surgeries,
changing my identity and doing it publicly, it's that a
form of validation. You know, you get that praise and
that love that you're craving, and you know, I felt
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so lonely inside. And when you have people saying you
look beautiful, you look amazing, and you've never had that before,
it's a very addictive feeling. And again, I talk about
social media contagion in the book and psychology and how
we almost get a dopamine rush every time we get
some praise online, and the more likes we get, the
more comments, it drives us. So now I was in
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that frame of mind where when I was coming out
as trans and when I was starting to look more feminine,
I we get so much love and praise and attention,
and it just made me want to do more extremes.
And I think that that's very much the case with
Dylan Malbney because he's addicted to that validation and his
identity being affirmed, and really deep down, I think he's
struggling mentally with himself. And the sad thing is, you know,
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I'm always calling him out because I've been in that
position before. And you have a duty as an influencer
on TikTok or whatever. You have a duty to make
sure you're projecting a positive image to young people. And
I've realized that now I didn't see it at the time,
but Dylan and every other influence out there, we have
kids watching our content, you know, thirteen year old's twelve
year olds. Do we want our kids to be confused
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with their gender identity or do we want to be
a good role model? Because look, if somebody as an
adult identifies in a different way, that's on them. But
it's when you're projecting that onto kids, and when you're
actively encouraging kids and making it a trend. I think
that's the issue with social media. And you know, I
certainly fell victims to that trends, and you we're at
some of my social media posts because I think I
could have influenced people. But it's about you know, we're
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all thinners in God's eyes. It's about trying to turn
that around and try to use our experience to help people.
So no, I hope one day, you know, I'm not
a fan of Dila Molbny, but I pray that one
day he turns his life around and actually realizes the
amount of harmony is causing to so many people.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Parley London hang Tight. He's the author of Gender Madness,
One man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle
to protect children will finish the hour with him to much.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
He is a person of such vision for the country,
such knowledge of the issues. Michael Berry on top of
it all, a person who connects with the American people.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Olli London is our guest. If you'd like to read
more about him. His name is spelled O l I
and then London, like the city. There is a lot
out there. There are lots of photos. There are lots
of descriptions of the surgeries. There lots of descriptions of
his love life. There are lots of descriptions of Korean
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woman becomes British man, his opinions, and there are books
detransitioning being one of them, the most recent being gender madness,
his struggle with woke ideology in his battle to protect children. Allie,
When you look at influences on children that affect sexual identity,
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I think that children are somewhere on a spectrum for
most everything. How much do you like football, how much
do you like hunting? How much do you like being
outside and climbing trees? I think that every child is
somewhere on a spectrum along that of interests and things
like this. I'm not talking about ma vi un Ros.
I'm talking about a child that otherwise would not go
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down this very difficult path. As you yourself say, there's
a very difficult path to go down. There's almost no
happy to this. There's so many surgeries, there's so much difficulty,
there's so much rejection, there's so much confusion for a
child that will call quote unquote normal that's not naturally
in that path. Do you think some of those children
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are being redirected down that path and once they get
started at snowballs?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah? Absolutely. I mean I speak about my experience and
the experience of other people in my book about how
kids are often influenced by factors around them. So that's
the people around them, that's the environment around them. So,
like you said, you know, some kids might be influenced
to do football. Maybe that's because their dad is a footballer,
maybe because their family watch football or their school friends
do it. Kids are very they adapt to what's around them.
(27:43):
So if they see five kids in their class becoming trends,
they're going to want to become trans because it seems cool,
it seems trendy. So I think that's the issue. Kids
are so impressionable and so easily influenced to what's around them.
So that's the issue we're having right now, is when
you have schools pushing this on kids, kids are so susceptible.
They're going to pick up on these ideas, they're going
to take them as gospel. And I think that's what's
(28:06):
destroying society right now because we're seeing parents and families
being torn apart by all of this gender identity stuff.
And we weren't having this ten years ago, and you know,
it's really become an issue. So I think kids adapt
to what's around them, especially the fact that kids most
kids now have phones. You know, so many kids are
on TikTok, and if they see something that's trendy and
(28:27):
cool and someone that's getting thousands of likes and comments
because they're sharing their transition story, the kid is going
to be influenced to do that. It's a bit like
you know, one day a kid might want to be
a dinosaur. If five yol kid might say, Dad, I
want to be a dinosaur, you don't suddenly affirm that identity,
do you. So I think that's the real issue. Kids
are impressionable, and I think it's so immoral of these hospitals,
(28:48):
these LGBT lobby groups, all of these pride events to
try and target kids. You know, kids should not be
involved in any of this because they see it as
a trend, They see it as something cool, and they
see it as a way to get validation.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
When you talk about de transitioning, and that means a
male in your situation, a male who goes to female
and then goes back, it seems to me, and again, Ali,
you know a lot more about this than I do.
It seems to me that there is a lot more
press about which makes me believe there's more of this
(29:24):
of girls who transition into male and then regret it,
and they're telling their stories the double mastectomy and the
problems caused by that, and then the work that's done
on the reproductive organs. I've seen pictures of women, of
young girls. They'll have a chunk of their thigh pulled
(29:44):
out to create this mass of meat that's supposed to
replicate a penis, and they're very disappointed by what they
end up with, and they're disappointed with the body they're
left with. Not to mention their legs been mangled. Is
that more common the female to to male seems to
be the case where they transition and then D transition
far more often.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Am I right, Yes, that's correct, and that's the trend
right now. So the majority of people that generally transition
are male to females, so we do see a lot
of cases, but in terms of D transitioning and expressing
that regret, we're seeing that with a lot of girls.
I mean, there's so many D transitions speaking out as
Kat Kat Andson, Layla Jane and Chloe Cole, some of
your listeners might be familiar, they've been speaking out. But
(30:28):
we're seeing this really sudden trend of many, many young
girls cutting off their breast, some at the age of fifteen,
cutting off their breast because they're being told to be boys.
And we're seeing entire groups of girls in schools wanting
to do this, and doctors are selling them a dream.
Doctors are offering them a quick fix. So now imagine
as a teenager, you're struggling with your identity, you're being bullied,
(30:49):
you're struggling with depression. Many of these kids are also
on the autism spectrum, so they're struggling with all these things,
and then suddenly a doctor says, I can offer you
a solution to escape all of this pain. All you
need to do is come to my clinic and I'll
give you some hormones. The kids are going to go
along with that because at the time, as a teenager,
they want to escape that pain and let all teenagers
go through that, all teenagers go through a struggle. But
(31:11):
what's happening is children are being fast tracked by these doctors,
so they might only just have one appointment with a
therapist and then they'll get a letter from that therapist
to the hospital saying this person's an ideal candidate for
gender affirming care, and they're transitioned without even knowing what
they're doing. And what you just described about fallow plasty surgery,
(31:33):
girls are having massive chunks of their thighs or their
arms cut off, massive chunks of skin, and they're left
with scars for life to make a filoplasty, which doesn't
even function by the way, they're left with bleeding, they're
left with incontinents. When they become an adult, is very
difficult for them to have intercourse. They have so many problems.
Some of them can't even walk properly after these surgeries
(31:53):
for life, and the doctors aren't telling them that, So
I think it's a gross misconduct for any doctor in
the world to be doing these surgeries, least of all
on kids because they're not telling them the side effects.
They're just making money and profiting off these poor vulnerable kids.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Wow, uh Ali, I have about a minute left. There
are people who criticize you for speaking out as you have.
This goes against the narrative. What is the most unfair
thing they say about you to minimize you.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Well, I get it a lot, and it's not just me,
and I'm a tough guy. I can handle all the
abuse online. But I worry about these eighteen year old
transitions like Cloe called that speak out and share their
story because the abuse anyone gets from speaking on this.
You know, every day I get called a Nazia, get
compared to hit They're just really horrible, disrespectful things. And
you know, I get death threats every day. I even
(32:46):
have journalists sending me deaf threats saying they're going to
torture me. I am banned in London. I am banned
from going to any LGBT bar. I'm banned from going
to some restaurants simply because of my views, and you know,
I'm not a transphobic person. I just don't think this
is right what they're doing to kids. And you know,
it's really difficult. You know, I've lost some of my
best friends because of my views, because I'm simply speaking out.
(33:09):
But you know, at the end of the day, I
don't I don't care about that because I care about
helping these kids and helping their families and trying to
protect them because you know, I've been through this, I've
witnessed some research. I've done so much research for my
book about all of the things going on right now,
and it's not fair for these kids to have to
go through this. So no, I take the abuse in
these woke activists. You know, I have left wing mainstream
(33:30):
media attacking me all the time, or it won't even
give me an opportunity. You know, you'll never see a
d transitioner on CNN ever, you know they don't even
allow that conversation because it goes against narratives. So no,
there are a lot of nasty transactivists out there. By
the end of the day, if you can help a
lot of kids and help their parents, that's far more important.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Ollie, Thank you. For sharing your perspective. This is the
sort of thing that maybe icky, awkward, uncomfortable alien to
most everybody, but it is increasingly invasive in the lives
of our children, and I appreciate you being willing to
speak out about your story.
When we interview a guest on this show, I don't
just want someone who's in the news. I don't believe
in the good get where someone because they're famous or
they're in the news and look at me, they're talking
to me. I don't find that to be illuminating. In fact,
that's why oftentimes we have as guests the everyman, and
(00:22):
it might be a shopkeeper and hoboken. It might be
a person who was a victim of crime and has
spoken out and had enough, or someone who's spoken before
a school board and said enough. I'm not a famous person,
but you're not doing this to my child, and I'll
take on this entire school board. Well, our next guest
is somewhere in between, because he has increasingly become a
(00:44):
famous person of late by telling his story, and it's
a story not of a famous person, but of a
real person. We talk a lot about this transition and
transgender issues, boys who want to become girls and girls
who want to become boys, and whether you have folks
(01:06):
enabling grooming, you have doctors, and now you're seeing what's
called a d transition, which is where a boy wants
to become a girl or vice versa. And they begin
this process and all of a sudden, somewhere along the line,
they say, wait, that's not what you said was going
to happen. I don't like my body, I don't like
my voice. I don't like how I feel. You didn't
(01:27):
solve my problem. You made it worse. And it's particularly
troubling when it happens to a young person because now
were they of the age to make such a big decision.
I mean, you can't. You're not old enough to smoke,
not old enough to get a tattoo because those are
potentially permanent, but you're old enough to change your entire identity.
(01:47):
And yes, sex is a big part of our identity.
Remember when you went to the school dance and they
said boys over here and girls over here? Where do
you go? I mean, these are tough things. Which bathroom
do you go to? What do you do? At certain
times when they say boys here, girls here? You get
in this line, You get in this line and you're confused.
This is a tough issue, and it's not going to
(02:10):
not be a tough issue. It's always been a tough issue.
But the question we're struggling with as a society today
is what about when a child is naturally confused, which
is what childhood and particularly adolescence is all about. And
you have adults who are supposed to be educators or
counselors or helpers or aid ors, and instead they're pushing
(02:32):
your child into something so permanent that it's irreversible. It's
a horrifying, horrifying thought. We can talk about transition as
an adult, but transition for a child is a whole
different issue. And what if it becomes the trend? What
if it becomes the bandwagon effect? What if you become
a celebrated person because you've done this? Now we've encouraged
(02:55):
people to do this when they may not have otherwise.
It's fraught with complications. And the one thing we never
hear from is people who go through this and wish
they hadn't, people who go through it and regret it
until now. Ollie London is somebody I've been following for
(03:15):
the last few months. Several folks that I follow, writers, podcasters,
media types had suggested, Hey, you got to see what
this guy's writing. It's pretty groundbreaking stuff. His name is
Olli London and the book is Gender Madness. One man's
(03:37):
devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle to protect children. Ollie,
why don't you tell us your story of how you
got here?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Well, firstly, thank you so much for having me. It's
a pleasure to be speaking with you and to your listeners.
And really I struggled with a lot of identity issues.
So I had a difficult relationship with my dad. He
wanted me to be very masculine. He was very emotionally abusive.
He used to shout at me, curse at me all
the time, and made me feel very worthless. So I
developed more of an attachment to my mum. You know,
(04:09):
I looked at her and felt like I identified more
with her. I wanted to be more feminine. And as
a kid growing up, you know, as some kids do,
I was playing with Barbie dolls. I was playing with
more girls toys. I like the colored pink. And then
when it got to puberty, I started changing and my
face I started developing severe acne. I changed my looks completely,
and I started to get bullied a lot at school.
(04:30):
And you know, kids would say, you know, I look
ugly and lo it disgusting, and then some kids would
say I look like a girl. And when I would
go to swimming class, I would get severely bullied, which
has really traumatized me. You know, people would basically say
I had breast or I look pregnant because I was
a little bit, you know, chubby, a little bit of
the big kids. So I used to get bullied for that,
and it really had this knock on effect that traumatized
(04:51):
me and scarred me for life. So when I became
an adult, the first thing I wanted to do is
really trying to change myself. And I actually moved to
house career and that's the plastic surgery capsule of the world.
And no, you see billboards and advertisements for everywhere, and
there's a huge pressure out there to look a certain
way if you want to be successful, if you want
to be happy. You know, you see television adverts, music stars,
(05:15):
billboards everywhere telling you the only way to achieve happiness
is to change your looks. So I started having, you know,
a few surgeries and no surgery, and then a few
more surgeries after that, and it just didn't satisfy me.
And I remembered all those people that used to taunt
me and bully me and say that I looked like
a girl, and I was spending and I just thought,
you know what, I want to prove these bullies wrong.
(05:36):
So I started down this very toxic and dangerous path
of constantly having surgeries, you know, some surgeries. I would
have five surgeries in one day. At one time, I
had eleven surgeries in one day, and it was just
never enough. And the more I would do, the more
unhappy I would be inside. So I would project this
unhappiness in the world. And you know, I was questioning
my gender throughout my life, and then you know, started
(05:58):
becoming very addicted to TikTok and social media, and you know,
the algorithm was speeding the videos of people saying that,
you know, the reason you're confused is because you're trans.
And you know, if you feel like a boy and
I feel like a girl, and people have always told
you like a girl, it's because you're trans. So I
started to believe all of this, and it would just
feed me more and more of this stuff, and eventually
(06:18):
I took the plunge and I underwent facial feminization surgery,
which was really painful, changing my entire face to become trans,
and you know, publicly came out and you know, for
a short period of time, which is the case of
many people that become trans I was extremely happy, you know,
I felt confident, I felt good. And then suddenly all
of that change when I realized that, you know, I've
(06:40):
made a really big mistake, and I thought, you know,
it's now or never. I need to either step back
or continue down this destructive path.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Ollie, that is a lot to unpack, as I'm sure
you're aware. I know you've told your story a number
of times, and I suspect it never fails to shock.
I want to take them peace by peace, but I
want to start at the end and work backward. Where
(07:11):
are you today? Are you happy? Are you content? Are
you comfortable?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You know, I'm the happiest I've ever been. And I
never thought I would get to a point in my
life where I'd actually be happy. You know, wake up
every day grateful and feeling blessed. And every day I
wake up and I pray, you know, pray to give
thanks to God for saving me and for getting me
out of that dark, toxic place, and just I'm grateful
for life. And I'm also no I've had a really
realization that I had last year when I started going
(07:40):
to church and finding faith. My realization was that, no,
the true path to happiness is helping others.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Know.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So I thought, if I can use my experience, as
difficult as it was, if I can share that raw
emotional journey with the world, No, I can try and
help all of these other young people, these kids that
are struggling, that are questioning themselves. No, I can help parents.
I can give advice to parents that may have their
children going through this. And you know, I've just changed
(08:07):
as a person. I've realized, you know, the key to
happiness is to help others. And you know Jesus used
to do and hold.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Right there, Ollie London is our guest gender madness, one
man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle to
protect children things you'll never hear anyone else actually say
for themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
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Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well, if that segment didn't get your attention, I don't
know what will. It's not every day that you have
an Englishman with a received pronunciation accent explaining to you
that he was a boy who identified as a girl
and began having dozens and dozens of surgeries to make
(09:00):
himself into a girl, at least physically, and then realized
that's a mistake, finds faith dreak d transitions and is
here today to tell us about the process physically and emotionally, mentally,
socially psychologically that occurs throughout all of this, and more importantly,
(09:24):
something we all have something to do with the political
and cultural implications of all of this. OLLI great start. Wow,
thank you for being willing to talk about things that
may or may not be embarrassing or certainly private. Oli
London is his guest, and yes he's an Englishman. He
lives in London. If you caught the accent or just
(09:45):
outside gender madness, one man's devastating struggle with woke ideology
and his battle to protect children. Now, let's go back
and start at the beginning. At what age did you
realize you were different?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So I started to question myself around age five. So
when I was at elementary school, you know, I wasn't
interested in doing the boys' activities, you know, at lunchtime,
I wouldn't go out and play with the boys and
do sports. I was more interested in hanging out with
the girls and just doing girly things, playing with dolls,
you know, talking about you know, makeup and things like that.
And as a teenager, I didn't fit in at school,
(10:21):
so I was a real target for bullies. So you know,
bullies can sense someone that's different, so they like to
pick on the weakest person. So they used to target
me every day and bully me horrendously and tell people
not to be my friend and say that was ugly,
laugh at me all the time, and throw things at
me in the classrooms. So it made me feel so outcast.
So I became very much withdrawn. I lacked any kind
(10:42):
of confidence, I lacked any kind of self awareness, and
I just felt terrible about myself. So I really withdrew
and I told myself, one day, I'm going to change this.
I'm going to prove these bullies wrong. So that's why
I decided to start changing myself. And I thought, you know,
if I can make myself look better and feel better,
dpt this new identity, that I can eventually prove the
(11:02):
bullies wrong. But in actual fact, I took over from
the bullies because I started technically bullying myself by pushing
myself through all of these irreversible surgeries, and you know,
all this emotional damage that I did to myself and
others around me.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Looking back now, and I know, based on your writings
on Twitter, which I've followed, looking back now, understanding where
you were then, why do you think you were not
quote unquote normal? What made you different? Was it physical?
Was it upbringing? Was what was happening?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, there was a variety of factors, so I couldn't
pinpoint one specific thing. But it was a combination of
my strained relationship with my father. And you know, for
any child growing up, you need that strong, solid relationship
with your father, no especially if you're a boy. It
helps you become a man and helps you grow up
and stuff. And I had a very difficult relationship with him.
He always put me down, always made me feel worth
(12:00):
So that really played a lot in my identity struggle.
And then of course the bullying and just these questions
that I was never good enough. You know, I had
severe body dysmorphia, questions of gender, but back when I
was a kid, it wasn't really a possibility or a
thing that you can just suddenly change your gender, you know,
I mean if I grew up now, it would be
completely different. I would have been on the hormones and
(12:21):
puberty blockers at age twelve. So you know, I'm grateful
that I made these decisions as an adult and not
as a child. But no, I think there was a
variety of factors that led me to have that, you know,
just struggling with body dysmorphia and all of these combined
factors depression, and you know, it just makes you think
feel bad about yourself. So you think, you know, is
there an alternative? Can I get a new identity that's
(12:42):
going to give me happiness? And you know, look how
people that change your identity are treated. You're praised as stunning,
your brave. Look at you know, Dylan mulviney. You're treated
as some kind of hero for doing you know, the
bare minimal of just changing your pronouns. So you know
that really played a part.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Alie London as our guest. The book is Under Madness,
one man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle
to protect children. Will get to the children part of that.
First we're talking about back when you were a child,
and now we've got some time in between where you
can look back and reflect. I want to delve deeper
(13:18):
and let me just tell you a real quick story
to give you some context. I was giving a speech
a couple of years ago and a woman came up
to me, and it was at a Republican conservative event.
She pulled me aside and she said, my son identifies
as a woman. I don't know what to do. What
should I do? And I said, ma'am, I'm not an
expert in this. I don't really have firsthand experience with this.
(13:41):
You probably need to get some help, with some help
from people that you can trust. And she said, well,
the counselors are pushing him to transition, and I'm worried
that that's irreversible, and that scares me. Since that time,
I have been approached either in person, which is not
out very often, but by email a lot with these
(14:03):
sorts of things anywhere from hey, please be kind to
these people. There's somebody's child, even if you don't approve
of what they're doing all the way to what do
I do? I'm scared? What would you tell parents? Because
this is turning out to be more common, whether it's
natural or it's being pushed. What do you tell parents
knowing what you know.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Now, but it really is a terrifying and difficult experience
for any parents. And you know, I get so many
parents messaging me every single day asking for advice, and
you know, it's such a tricky situation because you know,
all parents want the best of their child. They want
to see their child happiness. So when they see their
child struggling, you know, with gender and they want to
change their identity, it is a heartbreaking thing for a parent.
(14:46):
You know, I don't blame all of the parents, you know,
some of the parents that go ahead and medically transition
their children. I don't blame all of those parents because
a lot of them are being led astray by doctors
and like you you said correctly, therapists and counselors, because
they're not all people out there. You know, there's a
lot of people that are on the payroll of these hospitals.
So it will have a therapist, for instance, that the
(15:07):
child would be referred to the therapists regarding their issues
of gender identity, and the therapists will immediately refer them
to the hospital and they'll be put on you know,
hormones and pubery blockers, so it's a heartbreaking situation. But
I would just say to any parent out there. I
know some of the kids they don't like to speak
their parents. It's an awkward conversation, but just try your
best to speak to them, because there's nothing worse than
(15:27):
that child, you know, being at school, being around people
that are telling them to change, and you know, teachers, counselors,
they're going on TikTok, and you know the parent not
being aware of that. So the first step is to
have that conversation with the child and no matter how
difficult it might be for them, you know, speak to
their child, ask them where has this come from? And
you know they might say no, Mum and dad, I
want to be trans. Ask them, why do you feel
(15:48):
that way? Where has this come from? Is anyone at
school identifying that way? Because most of these kids are
doing it because it's become a social trend. So you
see entire groups, particularly of girls at the moment, tire
groups of girls in a class that will suddenly become
trans or non binary. So I think parents need to
be really aware and pay very close attention to what's
being taught at schools. You know, are they teaching these
(16:10):
kids about transitioning. Are there no five trans kids in
one class that may be convincing your child to become
trands And just have that conversation. Go and speak to
the teachers and confront them if they're pushing these things
on kids. And just also try to limit your child's
access on social media because I know it's you know,
kids like to rebel, kids love being on their phone,
and for a parent to keep them off their phone,
(16:31):
it's like so difficult because you know what kids are like.
But I just think if that child is on TikTok
for three four hours a day and they're being pushed
on the algorithm trans things and taking hormones and how
easy it is, they're going to become convinced that that
is the reason they're feeling unhappy. You know, That's what
happened with me. I saw all these things on TikTok
and I thought, you know, this is a message from
the universe or from God that this is meant to be.
(16:53):
So I think the best thing for parents to do
is pay close attention to what is going on in
your child's surrounding, keep a close eye on any particular
changes in your child's life, and no we know teenagers.
Teenagers go through things. It's very normal they want to
some days. You know, they might want to identify as
at golf or an emo. You might want to identify
as a pirate. You know, kids do that sometimes. But
(17:14):
we don't go cut off that child's leg and say, Okay,
we're going to affirm you as a pirate. That's not
the thing to do. We have to speak with these
kids and tell them to hang in there, to stay strong.
Because over eighty percent of teens that have severe gender dysphoria,
they actually grow out of it into adulthood. So this
is predominantly a teenage thing.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That come up against a break Hold with me, if
you can hang What Olie is saying is parents have
to be parents don't. When I was growing up, your
parents could stick in front of the TV and the
damage was minimal. Now they get on the Internet and
they are exposed to people who have very nefarious ends
planned for them. Olli London is our guest coming up
Gender Madness. One man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and
(17:54):
his battle to protect your Michael Barry Change a figure
in the system like a too modern day robinho Olli
London is our guest. His book is Gender Madness, One
man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle to
(18:17):
protect children. If you're late to the conversation, you can
hear the entirety of this hour on our podcast. It
will be posted shortly after we are off the air
this evening. Olli London went through a transition from male
to female and then regretted it, and he's talking about
(18:40):
the process that he went through and why. We ended
the segment with some advice to parents, which I would
really boil down to parents. You have to be parents
if your child is starting to demonstrate new behaviors, talk
about new things. You need to be involved because other
kids and tea teachers and counselors and people on the
(19:02):
internet and TikTok influencers which can have an incredible influence
on your child, can have your kid ready to like
a liming walk off a cliff and if you're not
a parent and stop it, these are irreversible changes. Ollie.
Let's go through the point at which you began doing
a much more serious thing. We're not talking about clothes
(19:24):
and lipstick anymore. We're not talking about the favorite color pink.
You're going under the knife. That's a serious, serious process.
Talk about your mindset as your willingness or even eagerness
to do this, and how that progressed, because you're talking
about a lot of surgeries.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
A lot of surgeries. I mean it was thirty two
procedures in total. I went under the knife nine times,
and like I said, when I did facial feminization, I
had eleven surgeries in one day. You know, that included
an eye surgery, shaving my eyebrow bone, shaving my forehead,
lowering my head line, changing my chin, changing my jaw.
So if I put my body and face through a
(20:05):
lot of you know, processes, and it was very, very
painful and traumatic. But you know, at the time, I
thought that was my only fix, that was the only
path to happiness. And that's the mindset a lot of
people have, you know, these young people, they think this,
if I just do one change, I'm going to be happy.
If I just changed one part of me, that's it.
But it's a snowball effect, and that's the issue I had.
(20:26):
You know, I discussed this very in depth in the
book of How People Are Susceptible. You know, once you
start down the path, it's very hard to come off
that path because you feel like you're giving up on yourself.
So I felt that I had to continue down this
journey to such an extreme that I was putting my
health at risk. And I remember, I believe around twenty eighteen,
I actually went to Armenia for surgery because in the
(20:48):
UK the surgeons wouldn't perform on me. Went all the
way to Armenia and it was very risky. I went
to this hospital. It was like a Soviet era hospital.
It was like nineteen fifties. Nobody could speak English, and
I with my life. I had my chest cut off
because I used to get bullied as a kid about
my male breasts basically, so I actually cut them off
(21:08):
and I nearly died in that procedure, and you know,
and that was not my last procedure. I had many
procedures after that, and I didn't care at the time
if I died. So it really was a form of
self harm. And I think a lot of these young people,
these kids that are wanting to transition, it is almost
a form of self harm because they don't feel good enough,
but don't feel valuable, and they're trying to get validated.
(21:29):
So by transitioning, they suddenly become validated. People say, you know,
you're beautiful, you're stunning, and they affirm that identity. You know,
we see society time and time again, we see examples
like Dilan Malberney as being praised as getting all these
brand deals, and kids are looking at that and thinking,
you know, this is the only way I can achieve success.
You know, this is the only way I'm ever going
(21:50):
to get attention and be loved. And that's a very
dangerous path. So you know, I was thankfully I woke up,
but you know, there was many points in these surgeries
that I could have easily died and not And you know,
my family tried to stop me every time I'd have
a surgery and I wouldn't listen, I would stop talking
to them, and it was just awful to put them
through that. And you know, in retrospect, it's I realized
(22:11):
I was really struggling with mental health and my identity.
And that's why I wrote the book because I want
to help other young people. I want to help parents,
because I don't want people to go through this suffering.
It's it's not worth it.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
That is the physical toll. We've talked a bit about
the mental toll. If someone looks you up, Ali is
spelled O l I, it's Ali London. You are described
as a K pop influencer, and you are described as
a transgender influencer. That was a part of your identity.
(22:47):
It's probably how you made money. You had quite a following.
There's this K pop which is big with which is
an international phenomenon. You became a celebrity out of all
of this. How hard? How much did that drive you further?
Because I think that's what drives Dila molvany more so
than any of this other stuff. How much did that
(23:09):
drive you? And how hard was that to push back
from and say that's not who I really am?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Right? Well, it did play a big part, because you know,
when you're struggling with your identity and when you've always
felt worthless, you know, the way my father treats me,
the way the bullies treats me. I literally just wanted
to be validated. So by changing myself, having these surgeries,
changing my identity and doing it publicly, it's that a
form of validation. You know, you get that praise and
that love that you're craving, and you know, I felt
(23:36):
so lonely inside. And when you have people saying you
look beautiful, you look amazing, and you've never had that before,
it's a very addictive feeling. And again, I talk about
social media contagion in the book and psychology and how
we almost get a dopamine rush every time we get
some praise online, and the more likes we get, the
more comments, it drives us. So now I was in
(23:57):
that frame of mind where when I was coming out
as trans and when I was starting to look more feminine,
I we get so much love and praise and attention,
and it just made me want to do more extremes.
And I think that that's very much the case with
Dylan Malbney because he's addicted to that validation and his
identity being affirmed, and really deep down, I think he's
struggling mentally with himself. And the sad thing is, you know,
(24:21):
I'm always calling him out because I've been in that
position before. And you have a duty as an influencer
on TikTok or whatever. You have a duty to make
sure you're projecting a positive image to young people. And
I've realized that now I didn't see it at the time,
but Dylan and every other influence out there, we have
kids watching our content, you know, thirteen year old's twelve
year olds. Do we want our kids to be confused
(24:43):
with their gender identity or do we want to be
a good role model? Because look, if somebody as an
adult identifies in a different way, that's on them. But
it's when you're projecting that onto kids, and when you're
actively encouraging kids and making it a trend. I think
that's the issue with social media. And you know, I
certainly fell victims to that trends, and you we're at
some of my social media posts because I think I
could have influenced people. But it's about you know, we're
(25:05):
all thinners in God's eyes. It's about trying to turn
that around and try to use our experience to help people.
So no, I hope one day, you know, I'm not
a fan of Dila Molbny, but I pray that one
day he turns his life around and actually realizes the
amount of harmony is causing to so many people.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Parley London hang Tight. He's the author of Gender Madness,
One man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle
to protect children will finish the hour with him to much.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
He is a person of such vision for the country,
such knowledge of the issues. Michael Berry on top of
it all, a person who connects with the American people.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Olli London is our guest. If you'd like to read
more about him. His name is spelled O l I
and then London, like the city. There is a lot
out there. There are lots of photos. There are lots
of descriptions of the surgeries. There lots of descriptions of
his love life. There are lots of descriptions of Korean
(26:05):
woman becomes British man, his opinions, and there are books
detransitioning being one of them, the most recent being gender madness,
his struggle with woke ideology in his battle to protect children. Allie,
When you look at influences on children that affect sexual identity,
(26:27):
I think that children are somewhere on a spectrum for
most everything. How much do you like football, how much
do you like hunting? How much do you like being
outside and climbing trees? I think that every child is
somewhere on a spectrum along that of interests and things
like this. I'm not talking about ma vi un Ros.
I'm talking about a child that otherwise would not go
(26:53):
down this very difficult path. As you yourself say, there's
a very difficult path to go down. There's almost no
happy to this. There's so many surgeries, there's so much difficulty,
there's so much rejection, there's so much confusion for a
child that will call quote unquote normal that's not naturally
in that path. Do you think some of those children
(27:13):
are being redirected down that path and once they get
started at snowballs?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah? Absolutely. I mean I speak about my experience and
the experience of other people in my book about how
kids are often influenced by factors around them. So that's
the people around them, that's the environment around them. So,
like you said, you know, some kids might be influenced
to do football. Maybe that's because their dad is a footballer,
maybe because their family watch football or their school friends
do it. Kids are very they adapt to what's around them.
(27:43):
So if they see five kids in their class becoming trends,
they're going to want to become trans because it seems cool,
it seems trendy. So I think that's the issue. Kids
are so impressionable and so easily influenced to what's around them.
So that's the issue we're having right now, is when
you have schools pushing this on kids, kids are so susceptible.
They're going to pick up on these ideas, they're going
to take them as gospel. And I think that's what's
(28:06):
destroying society right now because we're seeing parents and families
being torn apart by all of this gender identity stuff.
And we weren't having this ten years ago, and you know,
it's really become an issue. So I think kids adapt
to what's around them, especially the fact that kids most
kids now have phones. You know, so many kids are
on TikTok, and if they see something that's trendy and
(28:27):
cool and someone that's getting thousands of likes and comments
because they're sharing their transition story, the kid is going
to be influenced to do that. It's a bit like
you know, one day a kid might want to be
a dinosaur. If five yol kid might say, Dad, I
want to be a dinosaur, you don't suddenly affirm that identity,
do you. So I think that's the real issue. Kids
are impressionable, and I think it's so immoral of these hospitals,
(28:48):
these LGBT lobby groups, all of these pride events to
try and target kids. You know, kids should not be
involved in any of this because they see it as
a trend, They see it as something cool, and they
see it as a way to get validation.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
When you talk about de transitioning, and that means a
male in your situation, a male who goes to female
and then goes back, it seems to me, and again, Ali,
you know a lot more about this than I do.
It seems to me that there is a lot more
press about which makes me believe there's more of this
(29:24):
of girls who transition into male and then regret it,
and they're telling their stories the double mastectomy and the
problems caused by that, and then the work that's done
on the reproductive organs. I've seen pictures of women, of
young girls. They'll have a chunk of their thigh pulled
(29:44):
out to create this mass of meat that's supposed to
replicate a penis, and they're very disappointed by what they
end up with, and they're disappointed with the body they're
left with. Not to mention their legs been mangled. Is
that more common the female to to male seems to
be the case where they transition and then D transition
far more often.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Am I right, Yes, that's correct, and that's the trend
right now. So the majority of people that generally transition
are male to females, so we do see a lot
of cases, but in terms of D transitioning and expressing
that regret, we're seeing that with a lot of girls.
I mean, there's so many D transitions speaking out as
Kat Kat Andson, Layla Jane and Chloe Cole, some of
your listeners might be familiar, they've been speaking out. But
(30:28):
we're seeing this really sudden trend of many, many young
girls cutting off their breast, some at the age of fifteen,
cutting off their breast because they're being told to be boys.
And we're seeing entire groups of girls in schools wanting
to do this, and doctors are selling them a dream.
Doctors are offering them a quick fix. So now imagine
as a teenager, you're struggling with your identity, you're being bullied,
(30:49):
you're struggling with depression. Many of these kids are also
on the autism spectrum, so they're struggling with all these things,
and then suddenly a doctor says, I can offer you
a solution to escape all of this pain. All you
need to do is come to my clinic and I'll
give you some hormones. The kids are going to go
along with that because at the time, as a teenager,
they want to escape that pain and let all teenagers
go through that, all teenagers go through a struggle. But
(31:11):
what's happening is children are being fast tracked by these doctors,
so they might only just have one appointment with a
therapist and then they'll get a letter from that therapist
to the hospital saying this person's an ideal candidate for
gender affirming care, and they're transitioned without even knowing what
they're doing. And what you just described about fallow plasty surgery,
(31:33):
girls are having massive chunks of their thighs or their
arms cut off, massive chunks of skin, and they're left
with scars for life to make a filoplasty, which doesn't
even function by the way, they're left with bleeding, they're
left with incontinents. When they become an adult, is very
difficult for them to have intercourse. They have so many problems.
Some of them can't even walk properly after these surgeries
(31:53):
for life, and the doctors aren't telling them that, So
I think it's a gross misconduct for any doctor in
the world to be doing these surgeries, least of all
on kids because they're not telling them the side effects.
They're just making money and profiting off these poor vulnerable kids.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Wow, uh Ali, I have about a minute left. There
are people who criticize you for speaking out as you have.
This goes against the narrative. What is the most unfair
thing they say about you to minimize you.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Well, I get it a lot, and it's not just me,
and I'm a tough guy. I can handle all the
abuse online. But I worry about these eighteen year old
transitions like Cloe called that speak out and share their
story because the abuse anyone gets from speaking on this.
You know, every day I get called a Nazia, get
compared to hit They're just really horrible, disrespectful things. And
you know, I get death threats every day. I even
(32:46):
have journalists sending me deaf threats saying they're going to
torture me. I am banned in London. I am banned
from going to any LGBT bar. I'm banned from going
to some restaurants simply because of my views, and you know,
I'm not a transphobic person. I just don't think this
is right what they're doing to kids. And you know,
it's really difficult. You know, I've lost some of my
best friends because of my views, because I'm simply speaking out.
(33:09):
But you know, at the end of the day, I
don't I don't care about that because I care about
helping these kids and helping their families and trying to
protect them because you know, I've been through this, I've
witnessed some research. I've done so much research for my
book about all of the things going on right now,
and it's not fair for these kids to have to
go through this. So no, I take the abuse in
these woke activists. You know, I have left wing mainstream
(33:30):
media attacking me all the time, or it won't even
give me an opportunity. You know, you'll never see a
d transitioner on CNN ever, you know they don't even
allow that conversation because it goes against narratives. So no,
there are a lot of nasty transactivists out there. By
the end of the day, if you can help a
lot of kids and help their parents, that's far more important.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Ollie, Thank you. For sharing your perspective. This is the
sort of thing that maybe icky, awkward, uncomfortable alien to
most everybody, but it is increasingly invasive in the lives
of our children, and I appreciate you being willing to
speak out about your story.
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