November 28, 2024 • 31 mins
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
This week, Jake Tapper made the statement that based on
new reports that have come out that show that students
lost a lot of their educational opportunity, they did not
advance the way they were supposed to. These are real
consequences for real people because of the school lockdowns. As
(00:20):
our friend Coridangelis says, remote learning turned out to be
remotely learning. We saw businesses shut down, multi generational mom
and pop businesses shut down that never reopened. Amazon boomed, Walmart,
dot Com boom, Target boomed. The big companies, oh, they
(00:41):
boomed to the exclusion of the mom and pop businesses
that make a small town, that make the interactive experience special.
You know, brick and mortar was already suffering compared to Amazon,
which doesn't have to pay for the real estate to
be available. When your kid needs something, you know at
night before you go, where you can engage your neighbor
(01:01):
whose kids go to school with your kids. Yet another example.
We've seen what's happened with the vaccines, and are people
dying from that? Are their conditions worsening?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
We saw people who lost their jobs, the world lost,
Americans lost their mind, and it wasn't because of COVID.
It's because of what they did that all this damage
is felt. Justin Hart has been all over this. He
is the founder of rationalground dot com and Rational is
what we need more of. His new book just released,
(01:35):
Gone Viral, How COVID Drove the World Insane. So Justin
I often ask this question, why did you write this book?
Is it cathartic to get it off your chest? Is
it to prevent this from happening again? Is it time
we start pointing fingers at the Faucies but also the
local governments and doctors?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Why write this book?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
All of the above? I think primarily this is kind
of a defense. It's a weapon that you can use
to use against these tactics. You know, Michael, they're going
to bring these back again. If it's not for the
next wave of COVID or the next pandemic, it'll be
for the next boogeyman that they conjure up, maybe climate
change activism, you know it. And the reason is is
(02:15):
that they know that they can get you under their thumb.
They thought, for certain, doctor Fauci wouldn't blink twice to
weld you inside your house, right, And that was the
crazy thing about this pandemic is they never considered what
the flip side of this would be. Now that's my
kindest interpretation. The worst interpretation is they knew it and
they were perfectly fine with the consequences. I mean, just
(02:38):
take one stat that we cover in the book, that
should you'll cross political boundaries. We think that in the
spring of twenty twenty, Michael, we missed about two hundred
and fifty thousand cases of potential child abuse. Why because
it's typically sharp eyed teachers that administrators who catch those things,
and kids weren't in school those you know. We go
(02:59):
through all of the myths that they bring up, doctor
Fauci and his health overlords, and we use this as templates,
We use this as stories. We use data to basically
convey to people your audience and help them understand what happened.
How do we make sure this never happens again?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
What did happen?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Justin look, what transpired was a leak we believe out
of China. The virus came across the world. It was
a novel virus. But its impact compared to most pandemic viruses,
as I'm told by our experts at Rational Ground, is
basically moderate. Compared to the nineteen eighteen pandemic, where the
(03:38):
average age of death was twenty nine years old. The
median age of death here with COVID was eighty years old,
which is a very very different impact on society. And
we would be having a very different conversation now if
hundreds of thousands of millennials and young children were dying
on a regular basis over the year. But they weren't.
And so what happened was the government, doctor Fouchi, the
(04:00):
powers that be, they're just saying the quiet part out loud.
They really saw this as an opportunity to insert themselves
and as they say, as the World Economic form, they
want to change the bend of history. They want to
change modernity, to bend to their will, as doctor Fouchi
put it. And I think it's a really unfortunate thing
because they saw the opportunity and they never saw the consequences,
(04:21):
or they didn't think there would be consequences. We believe
here in November, where there is an election, there might
be a sea change. I have it on good authority
there if there's a changing of the guard. They want
to produce hearings next year, and those hearings will be
crucial because we need transparency to understand who dropped the
ball here. And just consider another stat again from the
(04:42):
spring of twenty twenty. The first people to raise alarms
to myself and the people that were really kind of
countering the regular narrative were on collegists Michael cancer doctors
who came to us and said, either COVID has cured
cancer or something else is happening. Entirely because they were
diagnosed half as many cancers as they were the previous
(05:02):
year in March and April and May, why people were
too scared to go to the hospital. Doctor Fauci's main
tool was fear, and he threw it up against the wall.
But in the book, we cover a bunch of stuff.
We cover not just those impacts. We cover like strange
things like the plexiglast decision right tens of millions of
dollars to make every single retail experience a terrible barrier
(05:26):
between you and the and the clerk right, and that
itself turned out to be a very big mistake. We
think it caused even more exacerbating issues because it's closed
down the ventilation. It gave another surface to clean. It
was just an exacerbation, and then, of course we spent
a lot of time on masks and especially the poignant
disaster towards our children. The latest numbers out this week
(05:49):
are that our kids' education is greatly greatly reduced because
learning at home doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Let's take those in turn, shall we. Let's start with
the story. Let's start with the virus itself. To me,
it's not the virus that bothers me, but there are
things about it that need to be discussed. It's what
people did that they were already disposed to do as
a result of it, in much the same way that
I think school shootings get so much attention, not because
(06:15):
of how many people die, and not even because it's children,
but because the left views school shootings as their hook
to get gun control.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But let's talk about the actual virus.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
We were first told it that it was a leak
at Wuhan, than we were kind of at the same
time we were hearing no, no, it was at a
bat market, an open air bat market, from people eating
bat soup. Why do you think it was the case
that these lies were being told who stood to benefit?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, I think they didn't want to admit it when
we have the Foyer request now into doctor Faucher. We
have the emails back. And when the first article came
out in March of twenty twenty indicating that there was
a possible leak from the Wuheim lab that may have
caused this, doctor Fauci immediately emailed his lieutenants and says,
you need to be by your phones today. You will
(07:06):
have tasks.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
They were urgently concerned because they knew what was over there. Now,
curiously enough, Michael, your audience can make the determination for themselves.
The wet market that was they claim, you know, ground
zero for the penguin and the fish and the turtle
or whatever caused it, right, is actually nine hundred feet
from the Wuhan lab itself. It takes you six minutes
to walk across the bridge and you're right there. I'm
(07:27):
sure that's just coincidence, but just so your audience has
that right. But from that they made some terrible, terrible determinations,
you know. And early on when I stuck my neck out,
I was scared myself. I was like, man, what if
this really is the apocalypse they claim it is? What
if I'm really downplaying this and I'm doing a real
disservice to the people that listen to me and follow me.
(07:48):
And then doctor John I. Anitas out of Stanford wrote
this really infamous, famous article in March where he says,
I think we're in a once in a lifetime data fiasco.
We're making decisions on really, really bad data, and we're
shutting down the country on it. It turns out he
was right. For the vast majority of people, the impact
(08:09):
of COVID is less than that influenza the best way
to describe it, and I think people relate to stories
and analogies. If you're under the age of sixty five,
your risk of COVID or dying of COVID was about
the same as your risk on your commute to work
dying in a car crash, and if you're over the
age of sixty five it's higher. It's about the same
as the risk of a professional truck driver faces over
(08:31):
a year of driving. Is doing his job there and
so when we look at these things, those were the stats.
But then doctor Faucin crew got everything wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So Michael Arri Joe, we're talking to Justin Hart. He's
the founder of Rationalground dot com. And the book is
gone viral, how COVID drove the world insane. You've been
involved with Fortune five hundred company and presidential campaigns. You've
(09:04):
been a data cruncher, so you come at this from
two different angles. This was not always a science based response.
Let's move from the fact that doctor Fauci potentially has
blood on his hands from having funded Wuhan. You know,
the first time I ever heard the term GoFR gain
(09:27):
of function research, it was Senator Rand Paul talking about
gain of function and I thought, well, if he's going
to keep using that word, that that term, I'm going
to need to look up what that is and figure
out what the heck it is. And it turns out
it is putting a virus under stress to make it
a supervirus, which is is almost like a superhero Marvel
(09:50):
cartoon from somebody that that now this awful lex luthor
emerges and that this is a dangerous, dangerous thing to do.
It's like playing with nuclear weapons, regardless of whether they're
doing it to find an improvement or the Chinese are
doing it to win a biological war. And now we
see how that could be conducted.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
There was some.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Fauci involvement in that and part of the original story
was to downplay America's involvement in funding this thing, the
lax oversight of this thing. That's when we move this
thing to the American shores. But before it ever arrived
as a virus, which it could have been as early
as as September or October that that thing was leaking out,
(10:34):
there was a lot of American involvement. This is not
an entirely Chinese enterprise, is it.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
No, it's not. In fact, you know, we have funding
from groups that are still getting funded today. At the
EcoHealth Alliance, for example, just received several million dollars and
they were one of the main funders of providing that
research over to the Wuhan Lab. And we're still at
this today. In fact, just the other week, Boston University
we think Equo all It's may have been involved in
(11:01):
this too, produced a superstrain of COVID and you know,
they claimed they were doing this for research purposes, but
again there's real danger. It was a level three lab.
What if that leaks out? I thought to my audience,
what's the cover story for that? Is it a lobster
roll from Fanuel Hall or maybe a Fenway Park hot
dog there near Boston University. I mean, there are so
(11:23):
many issues with this, and there really are playing god.
And it's one of the things that you see in
doctor Fauci's writings for the last two decades where he
gets frustrated that these viruses keep appearing and keep propagating
across the globe, and so at one point, in a
famous article he wrote back in September twenty twenty, he
talked about how he envisions us going back to olden times,
(11:47):
and boy says, I can't you know, he's implying, I
can't shut down hospitals, and I can't shut down ballgames
or anything else there. But can't we bend modernity a
little bit to our will towards this? He really does
think that. Again, I put it to you, he would gladly,
you know, China ccpiece out weld you inside your apartment
if he thought that it would stop the disease. And
(12:10):
our group Rational Ground was the main data source, chart creator,
and support backbone for doctor Scott Atlas when he was
of the White House for that brief tenure there, starting
in the summer of twenty twenty, when he tried to
write the Ship and this is a perfect example of
what you described. Doctor Atlas is a radiologist, and people
game after him and said, well, he's not a virologist,
(12:32):
he's not, you know, an epidemiologist. No, but he has
twenty five experience, twenty five years of experience applying science
to public policy. That was his forte And that's what
we needed is someone to come in and say, Okay,
you can close down the schools, but what are the
impacts on that? Right? I mean, just a simple one
(12:52):
percent uptick in the number of suicides for young teens
would totally eclipse all the COVID deaths. Ever, so these
things are very dramatic, and you know, we really gave
our kids the short end of the stick. There in
the back, we have some templates that people can use
for their school boards, for their universities, for their county boards,
(13:14):
because you see this again and again, these hot spots
pop up and still on our campuses. Those universities are
locked down with masks and vax mandates.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And the like.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Justin when you we're going to go through a couple
other things. But when you started this project, you would
have had expectations. Having lived through it, we've talked before,
you've been all over the data on vaccines and lockdowns
and masks and six feet and job losses and on.
But what what in the process was that moment where
(13:48):
sort of the Silkwood story where she sees, oh my goodness,
I can't believe they're doing this, or in the informant
when you say, oh my goodness, I can't believe they're
doing this, or the Watergate moment. What was that moment
where you said I didn't realize this. How do people
not know this happened?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah? I would say one of the big revelations they
had was just a personal interaction I have with a
friend of mine who was north with me. I'm in
San Diego and he's in LA and we're both in
very lockdown counties. And he told me, said, justin my
dad just passed away. As you know, my mom passed
away four months ago. She died of a blood disease
(14:29):
that was undiagnosed. He died of a cancer that he
didn't catch. They were too scared to go to the hospital.
And I think that's where I realized, Wow, we really
succumb to the fear. I think there's about twenty percent
of us, like your listeners, who were kind of the
backbone of fighting back against these stringent interventions. And I
(14:50):
think there was probably another twenty percent of what we
call Team Apocalypse. We're constantly like, lock everything down even harder.
The sixty percent of Americans who kind of just went
with the flow. I understand that thinking. My kindest interpretation
is they didn't want to get into a fight. But now,
once your rights are taken away, once you know, you
(15:11):
have to claw back, now your rights for assembly, your
rights for censorship. As you know, I'm suing the federal government,
Facebook and Twitter because they started censoring me a year
ago as soon as Jen Saki got over the pulpit
with the Surgeon General and said we're taking down and
working with Facebook and Twitter to identify people that are
spreading misinformation, and my accounts were lock shortly after that.
(15:34):
We got him back only after a lot of pressing
and pushing. But now you know, we know that doctor Fauci,
were going to be able to depose him in one
of these lawsuits that's out there, and we have a
lot of questions for him. But I think that one
moment I had of just realizing when it hit home
that fear was going to cause more deaths than the
pandemic itself.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And that is absolutely the truth.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It was the results of god namental actions. We've seen
teenage suicides. We had a baseline for teenage suicides that spiked.
We had students dropping out of school or having difficulty
with school in far larger numbers. Teenagers really suffered through this,
and even younger than that struggled because this went on
(16:19):
for a solid two years.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
This was a big.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Percentage of their overall life during their sncient time that
they would remember.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
We've noticed that young children.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Speech pathologists are saying that speech defects are much larger
and this that's a problem that can last for years
because these children didn't see adults speaking and learned to
form their words, which caused them a lot of problems.
And be like learning to bat all the wrong way,
and then you know you're in high school and it's
too late to change your swing or a golfer, and
(16:51):
all of these things added up to be very traumatic
for kids and very stressful and very deleterious to these kids,
and yet nobody is stepping up and doing anything about it.
The teachers unions who pushed for the schools to stay closed.
Randy Weiningarden isn't stepping up and saying, hey, we made
(17:11):
a mistake. She's in Ukraine and saying we got to
end the war. We got a more American involvement to
end the war because Biden Aster he too, because these
kids are not able to go to school. The same
person who said our kids shouldn't go to school.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, it's devastating. And again, I mentionally have had us
eight kids with large spans of age. I had a
two year old and a four year old who were
in preschool at the time over the pandemic, and their
teacher came up to us just devastated and said, I'm
so sorry your daughters. They're not going to be ready
for kindergarten. I try teaching your kid how to pronounce
the letter H through a mask, right, And that was
(17:49):
devastating to you know, our kids. We know. My sister's
a speech pathologist and she has job security from here
to eternity. Unfortunately, for very unfortunate purposes.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
It's them all Duck King of Ding and this other guy,
Michael Barry.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We're talking to Justin Hart.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
He's the founder of rational ground dot com and the
book is Gone Viral, How COVID drove the world insane.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
We're adults, you and I, Michael, when politics comes in,
and it did. The very first business they shut down
on this premise of an executive order was a shut
was a political move. You and I can take to
the ballot box. Our kids don't have that luxury. So
I wrote this book, you know, kind of as a
testament to Hey, I just want you to know I
stood up. And there are people I understand who are
(18:40):
just now starting their journey from that deep fear that
sort of took them. And they want the tools to
understand how do I understand what transpired? How do I
become part of team reality. So Gone Viral is is
that book that kind of helps them do that. It'll
walk them through all the myths that are out there,
and we try to bust them apart. And it's it's
you know, there's some funny parts too, like the whole
(19:02):
story about why we had to do the run on
toilet paper. It's because we do half of our if
you'll excuse the term our business at our business, right,
and when you close down all the businesses and everyone
wants at home now the whole manufacturing industry had to
jump three feet to try to figure out how do
we produce more of this soft quality bear stuff, right,
(19:22):
as opposed to the big reams that you have at
a theme park or at a right. Right. What's funny
is they're very depth. So if you're if you're, if you're,
if you look at.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
About more toilet paper puns, just give me a moment
to think about.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It, right, right, just so you could actually go and
buy those.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, that's the funny part, right, and we can laugh
about that now. But what about the role of big
pharma and all this, because I think that is a
very cynical part.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Do you delve into that we do?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
This is the really unfortunate thing, and it's really coming
about right now in full force because you were told
at the beginning this pandemic that not only you know,
did you need this vax for yourself, you needed it
for other people because it stopped transmission. You're going to
stop the pandemic. And that's why they chose to mandate
it in so many instances and places. But it turns out,
(20:15):
you know, their promise is that this was one hundred
percent effective against hospitalization and death. That's a direct quote
from doctor Fauci and doctor Velenski. Doctor Fauchi went on
to say, they're really good against variants. Well, none of
them worked terribly well at all. In fact, we now
know a study just came out two days ago or
a couple of days ago, which showed that after a
(20:35):
month or two or just a little slightly after that,
if you have a third booster shot and a four
booster shot, it actually has what we call a negative efficacy,
that is, compared to someone who's unvaccinated, you are more
likely to get the disease. And you might say, that's
a crackpot sort of study that was funded by Maderna itself,
and so they look and that's the really unfortunate thing
(20:58):
is they really got their claw there and because they
knew that societal sort of niceties were towards them, right,
it's a you know, vaccines for years now have been
kind of that third public political healthcare rail that you
couldn't touch. I know, I didn't want to touch it.
But then when the evidence came out that not only
(21:19):
is the mandate hurting things, but that for young children
and especially for young adult males, the results could be
very costly and very deadly. And now we have this
recommendation from the CDC that just came down last week,
which mentioned that they're going to put the vaccine into
a schedule. That vaccine has only been tested for kids
(21:42):
on eight mice. It's never been through a trial study
of that sort. And so literally they're making this termination
and they wave their hands and say, well, we're not
not mandating this. Justice, We're not mandating it, we're just
recommending it. Well, the states look at this as a
hot potato and they'll say, well, we'll put it through
because it's the CDC recommendation. I know, I'm scared of
(22:02):
that because I'm here in California. You know, Kevern Newsom
has an ink indicator. That's the case. And look, Michael,
I vaccinate my kids. I have for years. But those
vaccines have been on the docket out of trial status
for fifteen years before they ever made it onto the schedule. Yep,
here we are two years of this very experimental drug
(22:23):
and it's gonna be devastating. It's gonna be really, really
devastating if this goes through as a mandate.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I think I'm a bit older than you, but I
came just after the thlidimide drug debacle, where a pain
pregnancy drug was administered to women and it created gross deformities,
and that caused the FDA to really double down and say, Okay,
(22:48):
we're going to have to get serious about drug trials
with this product and including the boosters. At one point
they tried a booster I think it was omicron, but
I can't remember which one on seven mice it was,
even try it on a human being, and they said,
we have to rush it out because there's no time
to wait a second. In order to prevent COVID and
(23:09):
a COVID death in a very tiny percentage of the population,
You're going to inject an unknown, potentially very harmful product
into one hundred percent of the people who take it,
including your urging children to take it. This was a loss,
an absolute insane moment for our medical establishment that I
(23:31):
don't know they'll ever get back.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The trust.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I don't know in my lifetime if they'll ever get
it back. I watch doctors that I respect make decisions
and make pronouncements to their trusting patients that turn out
to be dead wrong, and there was every reason to
believe they might be dead wrong. And yet they pushed
on through because the hospital system that they work for
or told them to.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
This is a very challenging moment in our health industry,
our health overlords that whole time of the beast has
to be felled before they can ever regain this trust. Again.
I mean just a perfect example, doctor Fauci, and with
him a former director of the NIH, doctor Collins, sit
on the board that makes all the determination for grants
(24:17):
from the billions of dollars that NIH distributes out. And
so if you were going to do a study that
might end up sort of going counter to the narrative
of the policy that they implemented, the chances of you
getting funded are pretty small. You need to cut that tie.
The people that make the policy cannot also decide where
the funding goes. Science has to be separate from the
(24:38):
application of policy, and that's really what transpired. We turned
the entire system of the United States over to these
doctors who had never seen a patient in thirty years
and never looked at a study for more than ten minutes.
And I try to put the kindest interpretation on this.
I remember asking Scott Atlas when he was at the
White House and said Scott. Maybe they're just having a
(24:59):
trouble saving face. They can't turn it around. And he said, no, Justin,
these people are not smart. These people are dumb. I said,
oh no, just a moment.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
We're talking to Justin Hart of Rationalground dot Com. His
book is Gone Viral, How COVID Drove the World Insane.
If you can't hear the entirety of this conversation, you
can go to our podcast and hear it all in
one fell swoop and it's worth it.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Trust me.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
We'll continue our conversation with Justin Hart, the author of
the new book Gone Viral, How COVID Drove the World Insane.
Pling politics with the integrity of elections threatens or democracy.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Unfortunately, today's Democratic Party stands for a government that is
of by and.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
For the powerful ideas. The Michael Barry Show.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
We're talking to Justin Hart.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
He's the founder of Rational Ground dot Com and the
book is Gone Viral, How COVID Drove the World Insane.
I can handle dumb. What I can't handle is criminals
in roles of authority. And I think there was some
(26:11):
of that, you know, when I look back now, and
Joe Biden repeatedly saying, if you get the vaccine, you
won't get the virus. And now the Pfizer CEO, who
himself along with Biden and presently the CDC director has COVID,
the Pfizer CEO saying we never actually said that you
(26:32):
won't get it or spread it. Yeah, but okay, maybe
that's true, at least not in public. May maybe you
didn't say it. So why was Joe Biden saying it?
And why did you allow it? And then I got
to tell you, starting life as a lawyer, when the
government gave them a blanket immunity for something they were
getting wealthy off of, that's a real problem. The moment
(26:56):
you say there will be no accountability because Pfizer had
to have more information than the government did, and to
say there will be no accountability for what's gone wrong,
that's a real red flag.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Hope, I hope we can find some accountability. Is again,
as I mentioned the top of the program, if if
there is a changing of the political system and the
party takes over that I think what's going to happen.
Then we think we're going to have hearings, We need
to have those articles of inquiry out there. What are
the questions. You're going to ask all these people so
(27:30):
that we can get this on the record and start
implementing these things down to the stay level and county
level so it never happens again. Who knew that your
county health director, who you had no idea is not elected,
had so much onus over your life. As I say
at the outset of the book, I'm not a virologist,
not an epidemiologist, I'm not a healthcare expert, but I'm
(27:53):
a darn good data guy. Normally I wouldn't insert myself
into someone else's domain, but they sure have no problem
inserting themselves into my domain Michael, my kid's school, my church,
my gym, my coffee shop. And so I said, forgive me,
I'm gonna check your math. And when we check the math,
it was awful. It was wrong, and they made terrible
decisions on it. And as you know, Dannis Praeger says,
(28:16):
this might have been the most most the worst decision
that it was ever made in United States history. It
had such an impact on our society and.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
So fraudulent, not just bad decisions based on the reading
of the data. You know, if a general chooses to
attack at position X, instead of why because he believes
that gives him the best position, that's the best vantage point,
that's where his troops will have the best exit route,
or whatever else. I can live with that decision. But
(28:46):
if the general chooses to do that because he's trying
to cause another general to lose his entire battalion, it's
supposed to be, you know, fighting for the same country,
and there's a cynicism built into that. I can't And
that's that's what I see so much of. I see
so many power hungry authoritarians who use this opportunity. I
(29:06):
see you have to overlay, which we've not discussed, that
the Trump presidential bid, and they use this to prevent
in person voting. They know that mail ballots are the
best opportunity to cheat. You've got a number of other things.
You've got George Floyd in the middle of all this.
You've got doctors saying you can't go out in public
(29:28):
because you'll all die. You can't have funerals or weddings,
but you can have a George Floyd funeral, and one
doctor saying racism has been around longer than the pandemic.
You can have George Floyd's memorial services across the country.
And that's the moment where you say, we've really lost.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Our minds in this country. None of what they've sue true.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, and I know the key message of the book
is that they try to control your behaviors. But the
truth is your behavior during the pandemic change the course
of much of anything as far as COVID is concerned.
But your behavior right now, as the pandemic moves in
back of us, it's going to change the course of
the world if we don't step up and sort of
(30:12):
claw back those rights they took from us. This is
really going to be a challenge. I know they will
use the same tactic again and again.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I noticed that there's a Scott Atlas full quote on
the front of the book. I just looked at the
front cover of the book. I hadn't seen it yet and.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I haven't read it yet, but I look forward to it.
I've said this several times. We get much better activism
from individuals who find an issue and focus on it,
whether it's Chris Rufo or Sarah Gonzalez. Now with these
drag queen parties on Corey DeAngelis, Alex Barns and you
(30:49):
have done fantastic, significant, meaningful work on this subject, and
all of it from a fact based perspective, and I
appreciate that facts are impartial. Rational ground is his site,
the book by it read it is gone viral. How
COVID drove the world insane. Justin Hart, thanks for being
with us.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Thank Michael
This week, Jake Tapper made the statement that based on
new reports that have come out that show that students
lost a lot of their educational opportunity, they did not
advance the way they were supposed to. These are real
consequences for real people because of the school lockdowns. As
(00:20):
our friend Coridangelis says, remote learning turned out to be
remotely learning. We saw businesses shut down, multi generational mom
and pop businesses shut down that never reopened. Amazon boomed, Walmart,
dot Com boom, Target boomed. The big companies, oh, they
(00:41):
boomed to the exclusion of the mom and pop businesses
that make a small town, that make the interactive experience special.
You know, brick and mortar was already suffering compared to Amazon,
which doesn't have to pay for the real estate to
be available. When your kid needs something, you know at
night before you go, where you can engage your neighbor
(01:01):
whose kids go to school with your kids. Yet another example.
We've seen what's happened with the vaccines, and are people
dying from that? Are their conditions worsening?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
We saw people who lost their jobs, the world lost,
Americans lost their mind, and it wasn't because of COVID.
It's because of what they did that all this damage
is felt. Justin Hart has been all over this. He
is the founder of rationalground dot com and Rational is
what we need more of. His new book just released,
(01:35):
Gone Viral, How COVID Drove the World Insane. So Justin
I often ask this question, why did you write this book?
Is it cathartic to get it off your chest? Is
it to prevent this from happening again? Is it time
we start pointing fingers at the Faucies but also the
local governments and doctors?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Why write this book?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
All of the above? I think primarily this is kind
of a defense. It's a weapon that you can use
to use against these tactics. You know, Michael, they're going
to bring these back again. If it's not for the
next wave of COVID or the next pandemic, it'll be
for the next boogeyman that they conjure up, maybe climate
change activism, you know it. And the reason is is
(02:15):
that they know that they can get you under their thumb.
They thought, for certain, doctor Fauci wouldn't blink twice to
weld you inside your house, right, And that was the
crazy thing about this pandemic is they never considered what
the flip side of this would be. Now that's my
kindest interpretation. The worst interpretation is they knew it and
they were perfectly fine with the consequences. I mean, just
(02:38):
take one stat that we cover in the book, that
should you'll cross political boundaries. We think that in the
spring of twenty twenty, Michael, we missed about two hundred
and fifty thousand cases of potential child abuse. Why because
it's typically sharp eyed teachers that administrators who catch those things,
and kids weren't in school those you know. We go
(02:59):
through all of the myths that they bring up, doctor
Fauci and his health overlords, and we use this as templates,
We use this as stories. We use data to basically
convey to people your audience and help them understand what happened.
How do we make sure this never happens again?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
What did happen?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Justin look, what transpired was a leak we believe out
of China. The virus came across the world. It was
a novel virus. But its impact compared to most pandemic viruses,
as I'm told by our experts at Rational Ground, is
basically moderate. Compared to the nineteen eighteen pandemic, where the
(03:38):
average age of death was twenty nine years old. The
median age of death here with COVID was eighty years old,
which is a very very different impact on society. And
we would be having a very different conversation now if
hundreds of thousands of millennials and young children were dying
on a regular basis over the year. But they weren't.
And so what happened was the government, doctor Fouchi, the
(04:00):
powers that be, they're just saying the quiet part out loud.
They really saw this as an opportunity to insert themselves
and as they say, as the World Economic form, they
want to change the bend of history. They want to
change modernity, to bend to their will, as doctor Fouchi
put it. And I think it's a really unfortunate thing
because they saw the opportunity and they never saw the consequences,
(04:21):
or they didn't think there would be consequences. We believe
here in November, where there is an election, there might
be a sea change. I have it on good authority
there if there's a changing of the guard. They want
to produce hearings next year, and those hearings will be
crucial because we need transparency to understand who dropped the
ball here. And just consider another stat again from the
(04:42):
spring of twenty twenty. The first people to raise alarms
to myself and the people that were really kind of
countering the regular narrative were on collegists Michael cancer doctors
who came to us and said, either COVID has cured
cancer or something else is happening. Entirely because they were
diagnosed half as many cancers as they were the previous
(05:02):
year in March and April and May, why people were
too scared to go to the hospital. Doctor Fauci's main
tool was fear, and he threw it up against the wall.
But in the book, we cover a bunch of stuff.
We cover not just those impacts. We cover like strange
things like the plexiglast decision right tens of millions of
dollars to make every single retail experience a terrible barrier
(05:26):
between you and the and the clerk right, and that
itself turned out to be a very big mistake. We
think it caused even more exacerbating issues because it's closed
down the ventilation. It gave another surface to clean. It
was just an exacerbation, and then, of course we spent
a lot of time on masks and especially the poignant
disaster towards our children. The latest numbers out this week
(05:49):
are that our kids' education is greatly greatly reduced because
learning at home doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Let's take those in turn, shall we. Let's start with
the story. Let's start with the virus itself. To me,
it's not the virus that bothers me, but there are
things about it that need to be discussed. It's what
people did that they were already disposed to do as
a result of it, in much the same way that
I think school shootings get so much attention, not because
(06:15):
of how many people die, and not even because it's children,
but because the left views school shootings as their hook
to get gun control.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But let's talk about the actual virus.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
We were first told it that it was a leak
at Wuhan, than we were kind of at the same
time we were hearing no, no, it was at a
bat market, an open air bat market, from people eating
bat soup. Why do you think it was the case
that these lies were being told who stood to benefit?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, I think they didn't want to admit it when
we have the Foyer request now into doctor Faucher. We
have the emails back. And when the first article came
out in March of twenty twenty indicating that there was
a possible leak from the Wuheim lab that may have
caused this, doctor Fauci immediately emailed his lieutenants and says,
you need to be by your phones today. You will
(07:06):
have tasks.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
They were urgently concerned because they knew what was over there. Now,
curiously enough, Michael, your audience can make the determination for themselves.
The wet market that was they claim, you know, ground
zero for the penguin and the fish and the turtle
or whatever caused it, right, is actually nine hundred feet
from the Wuhan lab itself. It takes you six minutes
to walk across the bridge and you're right there. I'm
(07:27):
sure that's just coincidence, but just so your audience has
that right. But from that they made some terrible, terrible determinations,
you know. And early on when I stuck my neck out,
I was scared myself. I was like, man, what if
this really is the apocalypse they claim it is? What
if I'm really downplaying this and I'm doing a real
disservice to the people that listen to me and follow me.
(07:48):
And then doctor John I. Anitas out of Stanford wrote
this really infamous, famous article in March where he says,
I think we're in a once in a lifetime data fiasco.
We're making decisions on really, really bad data, and we're
shutting down the country on it. It turns out he
was right. For the vast majority of people, the impact
(08:09):
of COVID is less than that influenza the best way
to describe it, and I think people relate to stories
and analogies. If you're under the age of sixty five,
your risk of COVID or dying of COVID was about
the same as your risk on your commute to work
dying in a car crash, and if you're over the
age of sixty five it's higher. It's about the same
as the risk of a professional truck driver faces over
(08:31):
a year of driving. Is doing his job there and
so when we look at these things, those were the stats.
But then doctor Faucin crew got everything wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So Michael Arri Joe, we're talking to Justin Hart. He's
the founder of Rationalground dot com. And the book is
gone viral, how COVID drove the world insane. You've been
involved with Fortune five hundred company and presidential campaigns. You've
(09:04):
been a data cruncher, so you come at this from
two different angles. This was not always a science based response.
Let's move from the fact that doctor Fauci potentially has
blood on his hands from having funded Wuhan. You know,
the first time I ever heard the term GoFR gain
(09:27):
of function research, it was Senator Rand Paul talking about
gain of function and I thought, well, if he's going
to keep using that word, that that term, I'm going
to need to look up what that is and figure
out what the heck it is. And it turns out
it is putting a virus under stress to make it
a supervirus, which is is almost like a superhero Marvel
(09:50):
cartoon from somebody that that now this awful lex luthor
emerges and that this is a dangerous, dangerous thing to do.
It's like playing with nuclear weapons, regardless of whether they're
doing it to find an improvement or the Chinese are
doing it to win a biological war. And now we
see how that could be conducted.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
There was some.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Fauci involvement in that and part of the original story
was to downplay America's involvement in funding this thing, the
lax oversight of this thing. That's when we move this
thing to the American shores. But before it ever arrived
as a virus, which it could have been as early
as as September or October that that thing was leaking out,
(10:34):
there was a lot of American involvement. This is not
an entirely Chinese enterprise, is it.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
No, it's not. In fact, you know, we have funding
from groups that are still getting funded today. At the
EcoHealth Alliance, for example, just received several million dollars and
they were one of the main funders of providing that
research over to the Wuhan Lab. And we're still at
this today. In fact, just the other week, Boston University
we think Equo all It's may have been involved in
(11:01):
this too, produced a superstrain of COVID and you know,
they claimed they were doing this for research purposes, but
again there's real danger. It was a level three lab.
What if that leaks out? I thought to my audience,
what's the cover story for that? Is it a lobster
roll from Fanuel Hall or maybe a Fenway Park hot
dog there near Boston University. I mean, there are so
(11:23):
many issues with this, and there really are playing god.
And it's one of the things that you see in
doctor Fauci's writings for the last two decades where he
gets frustrated that these viruses keep appearing and keep propagating
across the globe, and so at one point, in a
famous article he wrote back in September twenty twenty, he
talked about how he envisions us going back to olden times,
(11:47):
and boy says, I can't you know, he's implying, I
can't shut down hospitals, and I can't shut down ballgames
or anything else there. But can't we bend modernity a
little bit to our will towards this? He really does
think that. Again, I put it to you, he would gladly,
you know, China ccpiece out weld you inside your apartment
if he thought that it would stop the disease. And
(12:10):
our group Rational Ground was the main data source, chart creator,
and support backbone for doctor Scott Atlas when he was
of the White House for that brief tenure there, starting
in the summer of twenty twenty, when he tried to
write the Ship and this is a perfect example of
what you described. Doctor Atlas is a radiologist, and people
game after him and said, well, he's not a virologist,
(12:32):
he's not, you know, an epidemiologist. No, but he has
twenty five experience, twenty five years of experience applying science
to public policy. That was his forte And that's what
we needed is someone to come in and say, Okay,
you can close down the schools, but what are the
impacts on that? Right? I mean, just a simple one
(12:52):
percent uptick in the number of suicides for young teens
would totally eclipse all the COVID deaths. Ever, so these
things are very dramatic, and you know, we really gave
our kids the short end of the stick. There in
the back, we have some templates that people can use
for their school boards, for their universities, for their county boards,
(13:14):
because you see this again and again, these hot spots
pop up and still on our campuses. Those universities are
locked down with masks and vax mandates.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And the like.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Justin when you we're going to go through a couple
other things. But when you started this project, you would
have had expectations. Having lived through it, we've talked before,
you've been all over the data on vaccines and lockdowns
and masks and six feet and job losses and on.
But what what in the process was that moment where
(13:48):
sort of the Silkwood story where she sees, oh my goodness,
I can't believe they're doing this, or in the informant
when you say, oh my goodness, I can't believe they're
doing this, or the Watergate moment. What was that moment
where you said I didn't realize this. How do people
not know this happened?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah? I would say one of the big revelations they
had was just a personal interaction I have with a
friend of mine who was north with me. I'm in
San Diego and he's in LA and we're both in
very lockdown counties. And he told me, said, justin my
dad just passed away. As you know, my mom passed
away four months ago. She died of a blood disease
(14:29):
that was undiagnosed. He died of a cancer that he
didn't catch. They were too scared to go to the hospital.
And I think that's where I realized, Wow, we really
succumb to the fear. I think there's about twenty percent
of us, like your listeners, who were kind of the
backbone of fighting back against these stringent interventions. And I
(14:50):
think there was probably another twenty percent of what we
call Team Apocalypse. We're constantly like, lock everything down even harder.
The sixty percent of Americans who kind of just went
with the flow. I understand that thinking. My kindest interpretation
is they didn't want to get into a fight. But now,
once your rights are taken away, once you know, you
(15:11):
have to claw back, now your rights for assembly, your
rights for censorship. As you know, I'm suing the federal government,
Facebook and Twitter because they started censoring me a year
ago as soon as Jen Saki got over the pulpit
with the Surgeon General and said we're taking down and
working with Facebook and Twitter to identify people that are
spreading misinformation, and my accounts were lock shortly after that.
(15:34):
We got him back only after a lot of pressing
and pushing. But now you know, we know that doctor Fauci,
were going to be able to depose him in one
of these lawsuits that's out there, and we have a
lot of questions for him. But I think that one
moment I had of just realizing when it hit home
that fear was going to cause more deaths than the
pandemic itself.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And that is absolutely the truth.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It was the results of god namental actions. We've seen
teenage suicides. We had a baseline for teenage suicides that spiked.
We had students dropping out of school or having difficulty
with school in far larger numbers. Teenagers really suffered through this,
and even younger than that struggled because this went on
(16:19):
for a solid two years.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
This was a big.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Percentage of their overall life during their sncient time that
they would remember.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
We've noticed that young children.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Speech pathologists are saying that speech defects are much larger
and this that's a problem that can last for years
because these children didn't see adults speaking and learned to
form their words, which caused them a lot of problems.
And be like learning to bat all the wrong way,
and then you know you're in high school and it's
too late to change your swing or a golfer, and
(16:51):
all of these things added up to be very traumatic
for kids and very stressful and very deleterious to these kids,
and yet nobody is stepping up and doing anything about it.
The teachers unions who pushed for the schools to stay closed.
Randy Weiningarden isn't stepping up and saying, hey, we made
(17:11):
a mistake. She's in Ukraine and saying we got to
end the war. We got a more American involvement to
end the war because Biden Aster he too, because these
kids are not able to go to school. The same
person who said our kids shouldn't go to school.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, it's devastating. And again, I mentionally have had us
eight kids with large spans of age. I had a
two year old and a four year old who were
in preschool at the time over the pandemic, and their
teacher came up to us just devastated and said, I'm
so sorry your daughters. They're not going to be ready
for kindergarten. I try teaching your kid how to pronounce
the letter H through a mask, right, And that was
(17:49):
devastating to you know, our kids. We know. My sister's
a speech pathologist and she has job security from here
to eternity. Unfortunately, for very unfortunate purposes.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
It's them all Duck King of Ding and this other guy,
Michael Barry.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We're talking to Justin Hart.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
He's the founder of rational ground dot com and the
book is Gone Viral, How COVID drove the world insane.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
We're adults, you and I, Michael, when politics comes in,
and it did. The very first business they shut down
on this premise of an executive order was a shut
was a political move. You and I can take to
the ballot box. Our kids don't have that luxury. So
I wrote this book, you know, kind of as a
testament to Hey, I just want you to know I
stood up. And there are people I understand who are
(18:40):
just now starting their journey from that deep fear that
sort of took them. And they want the tools to
understand how do I understand what transpired? How do I
become part of team reality. So Gone Viral is is
that book that kind of helps them do that. It'll
walk them through all the myths that are out there,
and we try to bust them apart. And it's it's
you know, there's some funny parts too, like the whole
(19:02):
story about why we had to do the run on
toilet paper. It's because we do half of our if
you'll excuse the term our business at our business, right,
and when you close down all the businesses and everyone
wants at home now the whole manufacturing industry had to
jump three feet to try to figure out how do
we produce more of this soft quality bear stuff, right,
(19:22):
as opposed to the big reams that you have at
a theme park or at a right. Right. What's funny
is they're very depth. So if you're if you're, if you're,
if you look at.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
About more toilet paper puns, just give me a moment
to think about.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It, right, right, just so you could actually go and
buy those.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, that's the funny part, right, and we can laugh
about that now. But what about the role of big
pharma and all this, because I think that is a
very cynical part.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Do you delve into that we do?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
This is the really unfortunate thing, and it's really coming
about right now in full force because you were told
at the beginning this pandemic that not only you know,
did you need this vax for yourself, you needed it
for other people because it stopped transmission. You're going to
stop the pandemic. And that's why they chose to mandate
it in so many instances and places. But it turns out,
(20:15):
you know, their promise is that this was one hundred
percent effective against hospitalization and death. That's a direct quote
from doctor Fauci and doctor Velenski. Doctor Fauchi went on
to say, they're really good against variants. Well, none of
them worked terribly well at all. In fact, we now
know a study just came out two days ago or
a couple of days ago, which showed that after a
(20:35):
month or two or just a little slightly after that,
if you have a third booster shot and a four
booster shot, it actually has what we call a negative efficacy,
that is, compared to someone who's unvaccinated, you are more
likely to get the disease. And you might say, that's
a crackpot sort of study that was funded by Maderna itself,
and so they look and that's the really unfortunate thing
(20:58):
is they really got their claw there and because they
knew that societal sort of niceties were towards them, right,
it's a you know, vaccines for years now have been
kind of that third public political healthcare rail that you
couldn't touch. I know, I didn't want to touch it.
But then when the evidence came out that not only
(21:19):
is the mandate hurting things, but that for young children
and especially for young adult males, the results could be
very costly and very deadly. And now we have this
recommendation from the CDC that just came down last week,
which mentioned that they're going to put the vaccine into
a schedule. That vaccine has only been tested for kids
(21:42):
on eight mice. It's never been through a trial study
of that sort. And so literally they're making this termination
and they wave their hands and say, well, we're not
not mandating this. Justice, We're not mandating it, we're just
recommending it. Well, the states look at this as a
hot potato and they'll say, well, we'll put it through
because it's the CDC recommendation. I know, I'm scared of
(22:02):
that because I'm here in California. You know, Kevern Newsom
has an ink indicator. That's the case. And look, Michael,
I vaccinate my kids. I have for years. But those
vaccines have been on the docket out of trial status
for fifteen years before they ever made it onto the schedule. Yep,
here we are two years of this very experimental drug
(22:23):
and it's gonna be devastating. It's gonna be really, really
devastating if this goes through as a mandate.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I think I'm a bit older than you, but I
came just after the thlidimide drug debacle, where a pain
pregnancy drug was administered to women and it created gross deformities,
and that caused the FDA to really double down and say, Okay,
(22:48):
we're going to have to get serious about drug trials
with this product and including the boosters. At one point
they tried a booster I think it was omicron, but
I can't remember which one on seven mice it was,
even try it on a human being, and they said,
we have to rush it out because there's no time
to wait a second. In order to prevent COVID and
(23:09):
a COVID death in a very tiny percentage of the population,
You're going to inject an unknown, potentially very harmful product
into one hundred percent of the people who take it,
including your urging children to take it. This was a loss,
an absolute insane moment for our medical establishment that I
(23:31):
don't know they'll ever get back.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The trust.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I don't know in my lifetime if they'll ever get
it back. I watch doctors that I respect make decisions
and make pronouncements to their trusting patients that turn out
to be dead wrong, and there was every reason to
believe they might be dead wrong. And yet they pushed
on through because the hospital system that they work for
or told them to.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
This is a very challenging moment in our health industry,
our health overlords that whole time of the beast has
to be felled before they can ever regain this trust. Again.
I mean just a perfect example, doctor Fauci, and with
him a former director of the NIH, doctor Collins, sit
on the board that makes all the determination for grants
(24:17):
from the billions of dollars that NIH distributes out. And
so if you were going to do a study that
might end up sort of going counter to the narrative
of the policy that they implemented, the chances of you
getting funded are pretty small. You need to cut that tie.
The people that make the policy cannot also decide where
the funding goes. Science has to be separate from the
(24:38):
application of policy, and that's really what transpired. We turned
the entire system of the United States over to these
doctors who had never seen a patient in thirty years
and never looked at a study for more than ten minutes.
And I try to put the kindest interpretation on this.
I remember asking Scott Atlas when he was at the
White House and said Scott. Maybe they're just having a
(24:59):
trouble saving face. They can't turn it around. And he said, no, Justin,
these people are not smart. These people are dumb. I said,
oh no, just a moment.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
We're talking to Justin Hart of Rationalground dot Com. His
book is Gone Viral, How COVID Drove the World Insane.
If you can't hear the entirety of this conversation, you
can go to our podcast and hear it all in
one fell swoop and it's worth it.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Trust me.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
We'll continue our conversation with Justin Hart, the author of
the new book Gone Viral, How COVID Drove the World Insane.
Pling politics with the integrity of elections threatens or democracy.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Unfortunately, today's Democratic Party stands for a government that is
of by and.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
For the powerful ideas. The Michael Barry Show.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
We're talking to Justin Hart.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
He's the founder of Rational Ground dot Com and the
book is Gone Viral, How COVID Drove the World Insane.
I can handle dumb. What I can't handle is criminals
in roles of authority. And I think there was some
(26:11):
of that, you know, when I look back now, and
Joe Biden repeatedly saying, if you get the vaccine, you
won't get the virus. And now the Pfizer CEO, who
himself along with Biden and presently the CDC director has COVID,
the Pfizer CEO saying we never actually said that you
(26:32):
won't get it or spread it. Yeah, but okay, maybe
that's true, at least not in public. May maybe you
didn't say it. So why was Joe Biden saying it?
And why did you allow it? And then I got
to tell you, starting life as a lawyer, when the
government gave them a blanket immunity for something they were
getting wealthy off of, that's a real problem. The moment
(26:56):
you say there will be no accountability because Pfizer had
to have more information than the government did, and to
say there will be no accountability for what's gone wrong,
that's a real red flag.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Hope, I hope we can find some accountability. Is again,
as I mentioned the top of the program, if if
there is a changing of the political system and the
party takes over that I think what's going to happen.
Then we think we're going to have hearings, We need
to have those articles of inquiry out there. What are
the questions. You're going to ask all these people so
(27:30):
that we can get this on the record and start
implementing these things down to the stay level and county
level so it never happens again. Who knew that your
county health director, who you had no idea is not elected,
had so much onus over your life. As I say
at the outset of the book, I'm not a virologist,
not an epidemiologist, I'm not a healthcare expert, but I'm
(27:53):
a darn good data guy. Normally I wouldn't insert myself
into someone else's domain, but they sure have no problem
inserting themselves into my domain Michael, my kid's school, my church,
my gym, my coffee shop. And so I said, forgive me,
I'm gonna check your math. And when we check the math,
it was awful. It was wrong, and they made terrible
decisions on it. And as you know, Dannis Praeger says,
(28:16):
this might have been the most most the worst decision
that it was ever made in United States history. It
had such an impact on our society and.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
So fraudulent, not just bad decisions based on the reading
of the data. You know, if a general chooses to
attack at position X, instead of why because he believes
that gives him the best position, that's the best vantage point,
that's where his troops will have the best exit route,
or whatever else. I can live with that decision. But
(28:46):
if the general chooses to do that because he's trying
to cause another general to lose his entire battalion, it's
supposed to be, you know, fighting for the same country,
and there's a cynicism built into that. I can't And
that's that's what I see so much of. I see
so many power hungry authoritarians who use this opportunity. I
(29:06):
see you have to overlay, which we've not discussed, that
the Trump presidential bid, and they use this to prevent
in person voting. They know that mail ballots are the
best opportunity to cheat. You've got a number of other things.
You've got George Floyd in the middle of all this.
You've got doctors saying you can't go out in public
(29:28):
because you'll all die. You can't have funerals or weddings,
but you can have a George Floyd funeral, and one
doctor saying racism has been around longer than the pandemic.
You can have George Floyd's memorial services across the country.
And that's the moment where you say, we've really lost.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Our minds in this country. None of what they've sue true.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, and I know the key message of the book
is that they try to control your behaviors. But the
truth is your behavior during the pandemic change the course
of much of anything as far as COVID is concerned.
But your behavior right now, as the pandemic moves in
back of us, it's going to change the course of
the world if we don't step up and sort of
(30:12):
claw back those rights they took from us. This is
really going to be a challenge. I know they will
use the same tactic again and again.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I noticed that there's a Scott Atlas full quote on
the front of the book. I just looked at the
front cover of the book. I hadn't seen it yet and.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I haven't read it yet, but I look forward to it.
I've said this several times. We get much better activism
from individuals who find an issue and focus on it,
whether it's Chris Rufo or Sarah Gonzalez. Now with these
drag queen parties on Corey DeAngelis, Alex Barns and you
(30:49):
have done fantastic, significant, meaningful work on this subject, and
all of it from a fact based perspective, and I
appreciate that facts are impartial. Rational ground is his site,
the book by it read it is gone viral. How
COVID drove the world insane. Justin Hart, thanks for being
with us.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Thank Michael
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.