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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time, time, luck and load. So Michael
Verie Show is.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
On the air.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Aton him is our guest Roman. I don't know if
you had potted the audio down or not. I want
to make sure that Aton's clarification of I'm not trying
to put words in your mouth. I'm trying to simplify
for an audience and make this all make sense because
they haven't had the benefit of reading the articles yet.
He was the whistleblower who came forward to tell what
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Texas Children's Hospital was doing at that time, and now
the FEDS are trying to ruin his life. I want
to give you an opportunity to clear up what I
may have misstated at the end of that segment.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, So between March and twenty twenty two and when
our story came out May of twenty twenty three, they
had been continuing or related interventions. Because in March twenty
twenty two they had said they stopped I equivalently, they
had said they stopped. Our story came out on May sixteenth.
May seventeenth, the passage of SB fourteen would make it
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illegal to perform these interventions. And then you know, I
think maybe ten fifteen days after that was when the
seal of the hospital said that they would shut down
their program. So, you know, because after that I had
graduated from the program. You know, according to them, they
had shut down the program after that, So I would
take them for their word. And just because I don't
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have any I couldn't say that they had continued it.
They had said they stopped. So you know, if they
said that, then you know, I don't have any information
that would counter that.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So so you're walking the hallways, you're working long hours.
You were a young surgeon. It's a tough. You know,
the early part of a doctor's career is brutal. I mean,
they're legendary. When you would see these children, I mean,
did you ever see a child that was being wheeled
in to have this gender reassignment, to have a sex change,
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or a child coming out of that. I got to
think that if you see something like that, it's like
a it's like being a war report. You never you
never get over that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
No, you know, I had never seen it, because if
I did, you know, it's it's something that you know,
I wouldn't just stand by and watch it happen. But
you know, I knew people who did, and you know
they had told me about it after and you had
to expressed shock as to the nature of what was happening.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Do you have any idea how many doctors were performing
this procedure?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I think it was a small number. Small number.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, I mean, how does a doctor Maybe you can't answer,
but I'm going to ask it. How does a doctor
end up being in a position of butchering a child?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Like?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
What's going through that person's mind? I mean, we most
people recognize that you don't let children start smoking, you
don't let children vote, you don't let children get tattoos.
You don't let children consent to sex because they're not
capable of they've not reached the age of maturity. They
are miners, their brains are developing, and here is as
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permanent a thing as you can possibly impose upon them.
How does a doctor overcome that? I mean, have you
heard people answer this question?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You know it's I believe it has to do with
this underlying ideology. Right, people they want to have meaning
in their life, but they don't want to make the
effort to do anything meaningful, Like they want to be righteous,
but they don't want to exert the effort to be virtuous,
you know. And what happens with this is that it's
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you know, a shortcut to me so they can do
something and do something that that's not true and give
themselves that false sense of righteousness. But it's happening at
the cost of these children. And that's where, you know,
there's this connection between this and all these other issues
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we're seeing in our society because you have these people
who are you praying at these ideological altars for whatever
phony caused, but they're doing so because they have no
meaning in their life and they're looking for it, but
they're looking in all the wrong places. And instead of
you know, standing up to something powerful, they're just you know,
playing their role in this kabuki theater that is, you know,
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this modern phenomenon of the woke left.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'm going to read from a line from one of
the articles about you. It says, I am continued to
hear stories from other residents, that's other young doctors like yourself,
and then came across a public quote Grand rounds end
quote presentation by top doctors at the hospital encouraging the
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use of puberty blockers and hormone treatments. The lecture coached
primary care doctors how to funnel patients into the transgender
clinic where they could receive treatment. Tell me a little
bit about that.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, it's the important thing is the Grand round Leischer
is one of the most prestigious leisure theories given in
the hospital. And when you have the directors of the
program who are talking about integrating this algorithm into other
parts of the hospital and teaching doctors how to ask
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these questions behind the parents' backs, it's something that's truly shocking,
and because that's what they were talking about, and you
almost can't believe it's real. But when you see what's
your own eyes and you understand it's happening at the
hospital you're working at, you you couldn't. I couldn't live
with myself if you know I didn't didn't do something
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about it. So I did?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And what does that include? I mean in your mind,
you're certain you've done nothing wrong. You've said that in
every in every article I I've seen written there their
claim is that you have you have violated I guess, hippo,
you violated the But what is their claim?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
You know? Uh? I honestly wish I could answer that question,
because at this point I have no idea, really no idea,
because that hasn't been something that's been communicated. If I
were to guess, right, because I want to answer your question,
I would think it is something along those lines. That's
what I would think, because I know that the reason
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they had pursued. My belief is that the reason they
pursue this aggressive investigation so quick after the story came
out is because we were so successful in exposing what
happens and it being voted to become illegal. Because when
you have doctors and nurses who are willing to speak
out and tell the truth, then all of these things,
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that these false, absurd practices that they are pursuing will
be questioned and it's all going to crumble down. And
in order for them to silence those doctors and nurses,
they have to come after people like me. But in
this case, they just chose the wrong target. But yeah,
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in my opinion, that's probably what I would think. But
even to that, what could they possibly do. It's crazy.
It's hard to believe that you would have serious people
who consider themselves part of the justice system do something
like this because what we exposed was votes to become illegal, right,
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and they're going after the whistleblower who made who told
the truth when the hospital was lying to the public.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Aton hold right there, Ayton him is our guest. He's
the whistleblower, h doctor in the Texas Children's Hospital sex
change story. Now the Feds are trying to destroy his life.
We'll talk about doing him coming up. Doctor Aton times,
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our guests. He is the whistleblower in the Texas Children's
Hospital case where he was a resident on staff and
he went to Chris Rufo, Uh, this great journalist, and said, hey,
Texas Children's Hospital says they're not performing sex changes on children,
but they are. I know it. I'm a surgeon here,
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I know what they're doing. And Rufo wrote a piece
and the Texas legislature a few days later passed Senate
Bill fourteen, which officially banned transgender procedures for minors. You know,
we talked earlier about this, and it has been widely
written that Rufo's piece is what turned a lot of
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even Democrats into, Hey, we can't have this. We've got
to pass a state law. What about the details of
what Rufo wrote and what you disclosed, do you think
bothered people most that they said, we've got to make
this illegal.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You know, it's the truth, the truth of what was happening.
All we had exposed, We had made public what these
people were advocating for publicly in their lectures and conferences,
and that's it. By making that public that was enough
to garner bipartisan support in order to make this illegal.
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So if these people were doing the same thing today
as they were, then right, that would be illegal. So
I think it's it's the shocking nature in terms of
that it was being done to such young children, and
people inherently know what this is doing to these kids,
and they don't want it happening in their state.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And so what happened to you? You you graduated, and
then what happened?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, So I had graduated, and these federal agents had
come to my apartment, and you know, over the next
couple of months, you know, I came to a conclusion
that this is an investigation being pursued for political and
ideological reasons, and if I'm the target of an investigation
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like this, there's no chance for me to survive it
by staying silent, because that's where these people operate most effectively. Right,
because that's that's where they can you know, intimidate you,
where they can scare you into, you know, trying to
concede to something that never happens. And I refuse to
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bend to me and let that happen, because if I
don't stand up, Now, what kind of country will I
deliver to my future children or other generations or other kids? Like,
if you have a child, how proud would you be
if they went to medical school and became a surgeon?
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But like, you don't want them living in a world
where if they do the right thing and expose something
hainous that's happening that federal agents are going to come
to their house on the day they graduate. Right. So
even though there was a lot on the line from me,
I was just starting my career, when you think about
the calculus in those terms, then you know it's really
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not that big of a deal. Of course I had
to do this. There was there was no option, you know,
whatever the consequences are I have. You know, this has
to be done and no matter the challenges, it's it's
you know, will fight until then there's no stopping.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And so what is your professional status right now? What
are you you.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
You know, I started my I'm a you know, I
started my practice in a small town outside of Dallas,
and it's an amazing job. I work with some of
the best people. It's a very small town. And you know,
I won't speak for the hospital, just say that I
work with really, really, really good people. So you know,
I just did a case this morning, you know, operating today,
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and you know, got a couple of cases next week
doing clinic. So I'm just continuing on as usual because
I mean, I got to take care of my family.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And of course, well and it's your ministry. I mean,
look at you don't do this isn't just a job.
I tell people, you know, when I was growing up,
my parents wanted me to be a doctor. I had
no interest, but you know that was all they knew
as to how you get rich as you become a doctor.
And I tell my wife's Indians, so we have a
lot of doctors in our family, a lot all her
relatives are doctors. And I say, the per hour earnings
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of a doctor are not very high, particularly when you
factor in how long you have to go to school
and all that. And it's a brutal, brutal life it's
a calling, it's a ministry, it's it's something you only
do if you're deeply passionate about it, and obviously you are.
I think one of the things that is worth noting.
And I tell you it would have been much easier
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for you to simply turn a blind eye to what
you knew was going on. This wasn't a path to riches.
This did not professionally aid you. It endangered your career,
and now it's put you in legal jeopardy where you
know you're under federal investigation and harassment as a result
of all this. You could have done what probably a
lot of other people just like you, similarly situated at
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Texas children did and look the other way. But you
chose not to, and I think that's remarkable.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You know, I would have to crush you on one
thing because you say it would be easy right to
just you know, turn the other cheek, and you know
I would disagree with that because if I did just
do nothing about it, right, you carry that weight every
single day and at some point, you know, the people
in your life, your kids are going to ask you.
You know you were you were there when this was happening,
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Like what you do about it. And if your answer
is nothing, I mean that's a hard thing to do.
So for me, this was this was the easy thing, right.
It's things silent that would have been more difficult. Yeah.
And you know, and when other doctors and nurses, when
they should understand that, because when you allow yourself to
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be degraded, right, when you give up your dignity, you
have to live with that every single day and that
will eat away you. Because once you get to the
other side, if you stand up, you do the right thing,
you maintain your dignity. There's this other world where you
have millions and millions of people who are willing to
get by your side and do the right thing. And
it might be frightening at first, but as someone who's
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living it right, I'm on the other side and the
grass is way greener on this side than staying something
living in this darkness, because that's how I felt before.
But that's the truth, and you know, it's already happening.
It's already happening now.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I have a deep level of respect and admiration for
you for being willing to do this, because the path
of least resistance and the path that most would follow
is simply to look the other way and keep moving.
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And you took this burden upon yourself and obviously have
made your life a lot harder because of it. Because
it's the right thing to do, and the right thing
to do matters. And you saw something and you did something,
and you know, doing the right thing is often not
going to get a parade in your honor. Many times
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people hate the person who does the right thing. Who
would have known a surgeon on a surgeon who was
a resident at Texas Children's Hospital would be put into
a situation where you could make a dramatic I mean
a state law was changed largely because of what you
were willing to expose. That didn't make you popular with
the Texas Children's Hospital team, and they're a very influential
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hospital system. So the fact that you were willing to
do this, I think is remarkable, absolutely remarkable. Hold with
me just one more moment, Aton aton Heim.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, Michael Barry wouldn't change black in the system lack
of modern day.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Robin General Surgeon Aton Haim is speaking out against people
who performed transgender procedures on minors.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
These doctors believe they can become gods and create something new.
It's not a doctor's job to harm people, even if
the person wants it harm.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
He says, that's often permanent.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
They have to give up something that they have no
concept of understanding, which is the potential laws of having
a family in the future.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Texas Children's Hospital, where doctor Ham worked, announced they were
stopping their transgender procedures, prompting the resignation of doctor Catherine Gordon,
a staunch proponent. However, Haines said he discovered the procedures
were still taking place.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
There were a few residents who I knew who said
that they had just finished implanting a perie blocking device
in eleven twelve thirteen year old kid who believed they
were transgender, who had all these psychiatric issues which were
being unaddressed.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Ham gave documents, possibly redacted patient records, to reporter Chris
Rufo to prove the treatments were still going on.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
The largest children's hospital in the world was lying about
a program that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing young confused
ils some children.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Ayton him is our guest doctor Ayton him He is
the whistleblower who was a resident at Texas Children's Hospital
who blew the whistle that was the subject of the
article that changed state laws so that Texas Children's Hospital
so that it would be legal in the state of
Texas to change the sex of a child. They're just
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not ready for that. And now the Feds are coming
down and attacking him and trying to ruin his life
for being the whistleblower. That's why you have whistleblower protections,
by the way, folks, because the person who exposes the bat.
We wonder why Nazis got away with it because people
that saw what was going on didn't want to speak out.
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That was also true in Russia. That was also true
at Run. That was also you can go on in
world Come. You can go on and on and on
crimes that occur, bad Epstein, bad things that happened. Because
no one wants to be the one who says, hey, guys,
us I saw what's happening over there and it's really
bad because you're the one that's going to be attacked
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because bad people are going to cover for themselves. So
is this an ongoing investigation? I mean, what what is
the status? What is your status? And with with regard
to this, obviously they're trying to intimidate you and harass you.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
M hm. So yeah, it's it's ongoing, so we don't
know where it's going to go. But uh, you know,
I think that the easiest way to approach these kind
of situations is just to tell the truth. And that's
that's what I'm doing. This is what's happening. And uh uh,
let the cards, you know, let's the lets the piece
as fall as they may. You know, we're gonna just
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take it head on and that's it, you know, because
we know that there's so many people out there who
are finally coming to understand what's happening with this country
and understanding that the risks involved if we do nothing,
because if we if we don't do anything, now, I mean,
it's that's not right. We have to.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Your wife, you know, I was a public figure as
an elected official and now as a guy who talks
on the radio for well over for almost twenty five years.
And my wife's no shrinking Violet. She was Secretary of
State of the State of Texas. Can she can during
a time during the time of our election law, our
election integrity law, and she went around the state explaining
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the law to people who thought it was it was
intended to suppress votes and explaining to them that it
wasn't and winning over a lot of people. But I've
always said it's harder on her than me, because the
spouse suffers more than the person in public life, because
they have to suffer quietly. How has your wife done with.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
All of this? Yeah, I mean she's the strongest person
I know. Yeah, and we're closer now than we've ever been.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Was there ever a moment where she said, honey, I
love you, I admire you. But but couldn't you have
just looked the other way? Or did she know that
that's just not in your makeup?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
The latter.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
And your colleagues, you know, you have all these folks
you went to med school with, the folks who went
to college with, the folks who went to high school with.
I mean, your story is getting a lot of attention
across the country. It's it's a lightning rod of a case.
What are people saying to you?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, I mean just outpouring of support. Of course. You know,
I know for a fact that there are tons of
people who strongly disagree. Probably I think I should be
in prison for the rest of my life. You know,
of course, who are not reaching out to me, So
I know that there are a lot of those, and
that the people who are reaching out to me, it's
kind of a sampling bias. So but yeah, I mean
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it's just, you know, a huge amount support. I've only
got one hate email, so for I think that's pretty good.
You know, one Mere article which I thought was brilliant
because they included my favorite quote in the article, which
was about it was in the interview with Chris Ruffo.
I said that, you know, I wouldn't let Anthony Fauci
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take care of my goldfish, which, for the record, I
would still not let him take care of my goldfish.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So well, I am reminded of. Speaking of great quotes,
I am reminded by one of my absolute favorite quotes,
and it's by Winston Churchill, and he said, you have enemies. Good.
That means you've stood up for something sometime in your life.
And you have stood up for something sometime in your life.
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Did you have any did you was this an issue
that simply presented itself at the medical institution where you
were a resident, or was this something that you had
written about, talked about, thought about, spoken about, learned about previously.
Was this your hot button issue or was just something
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you you witness and you had to do something about it.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
No, it was just something that was emerging in the
post twenty twenty era. It was things were getting crazier.
You know, the medical profession was adopting these ideas and
practices that were not consistent with the principles that had
been guiding our profession for generations. And the more you
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see it, the more you can't believe it's happening. But
then the more you see it, the more you acknowledge
that's real and that there's no way it's going to
change unless you do something about it. So, yeah, it's
not one of those things that's like one day it's
like all right, yeah, like I gotta do this. This
was something that kind of had been percolating over the
course of months years, because every day you have these
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small experiences and it's just one thing after the other,
and it leads you to that ultimate question, well, am
I just going to with this or am I going
to do the right thing? And then you know, I
had decided I need to do something about it, because
you know, I was not made to be on radio shows,
right like that was there, was made to work in
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a hospital. You know, I don't even have social media, right,
but it's like, I mean, I kind of have to now,
But it was never my intention. I mean, yeah, I'm
a We're like private people. We live in a very
small down you know, we you know our next rour neighbors.
You know, we drink beers in their driveway and do
country karaoke in their garage. I mean, you know, this
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is not something that we would ever think we would
ever do.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
What kind of nice Jewish boy from Florida does country karaoke?
You're meant to be intech?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I love it? Yeah, yeah, I love country. Big fan.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
You are something of an anomaly. You are an interesting character.
Aton time is our guest. I have just a few
wrap up questions for you. If you can hang with
me for one more segment, we will have more with
him if you have. If you've not yet read the
stories of this whistleblower at Texas Children's Hospital and now
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the Feds are trying to destroy his life, it is
both horrifying that they're doing this and absolutely empowering that
this man was willing, especially young in his career, to
be willing to do this go read the story. It's
quite interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
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Speaker 1 (25:41):
On time is our guest. He was a young resident
at Texas Children's Hospital, prestigious institution in Houston, and they said,
in the early part of twenty twenty two, did Texas
children that they're not They're pausing, They're not doing the
sex changes on children. And a year later he realized
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they were doing it. So he was the whistleblower and
Chris Ruffo wrote the story and the story a couple
of days before the Texas legislature voted on the bill,
and they voted, including Democrats, Hey, no more sex changes.
Don't change kids sex when they're too young to be
able to change back. You're messing these kids up. And
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now the Feds are trying to destroy his life because
he dared share the facts, which you know, they claimed
this wasn't happening, but it was. So you've had the
lawyer up through all this. I mean you've had to
you've had to prepare for what could be something really
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nasty against you and the weight of the federal government
against you.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, And that's the important thing for people to understand,
because we have to fight this because if this is
allowed to stand, if with flowers like me can be silenced,
then hospitals can do whatever they want to whoever they want,
and any doctor or nurse who speaks out and says
something will be targeted by the federal of Ivant. But
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we have to make sure that does not happen. So
we have to fight it, and we're going to do
it tooth and nail.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
So I don't expect you to be an expert on
sex change procedures for children, but you do have an opinion,
and you have been on staff at Texas Children's Hospital
where you were a resident. In your mind, what should
happen if a child does legitimately feel that they are
a girl trapped in a boy's body or vice versa.
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What should be the approach? And I'm assuming then you know,
by the time they reach majority eighteen, then that becomes
their decision what they do. And they're very different at
eighteen than they are at nine or ten. But I'm
sure you have some thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Well. I would say that in both children and adults,
I would disagree with it because the role of a doctor,
the role of medical therapy is to preserve naturally occurring physiology.
So we are created, whether you believe it is God
or evolution in a certain way, two legs, two arms,
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you know, mouths, two eyes, and that is the naturally
occurring physiology we go towards. So whenever you feel sick
with the flu, you know you're sick because you're not
feeling like you normally do. Right, there's a deviation that's
like what I would classify a disease pathology. So that's
where you have a doctor, you know, prescribe interventions to
get you back to that naturally occurring physiology. What this
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is doing is taking someone from that baseline state of health,
naturally occurring physiology, and permanently placing them into a state
of disease. And you might have the perception of short
term efficacy, but over the long run, it is untenable
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to live something that is not true. And that's why
in both children and adults it should not be done.
Because if someone would comes to my client and say,
you know, I feel like you know, I was not
born to have eyes, so you know, I need affirmation
that I will be happy without eyes. We would never
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in a million years do that because you're you're you
would be destroying the natural occurring physiology, which is the
natural goal of the physician. And these were these are
not my ideas. I mean, these are just this was
something that was written about by Aristotle, and and you
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know he had written a lot about a lot, but
I mean some of his best work was about the
about medicine and the philosophy behind it. And you know,
our modern conception of medicine is based on that because
everything we do is meant to restore naturally occurring physiology.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I can only read from the article. We can't litigate
the case here. But one of the things that was
a point that was made in your defense is that
the screenshots of the clinic and operating room schedules that
they're heavily redacted, They don't include names. There's nothing that
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would allow you to identify a patient. If you can't
reveal this having happened based on it having happened, then
they wouldn't be They would basically be able to commit
crimes and nobody would be able to stop them. Because
to reveal that they were committing crimes would be to
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subject yourself to a charge of violating the medical records laws.
So what they're trying to say is a hospital can
get away with whatever they want because if if a
physician reveals what happened, then we're going to destroy him.
And I think that's exactly what's what's happening here, right, And.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That's exactly the stakes because that's how they use it, right,
you know, they they have these laws they and it's
also where the process is the punishment right where you know,
yet they don't have anything right, It's like there's there's
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nothing they can do right where it's uh that would
actually be included in this. But the reason they do
it is because the process is a punishment. That's how
you disincentivez of people telling the truth in these situations.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
You know, it's the process is the punishment. Is a
line I often use, whether it's the I R. S.
Department of Homeland Security, UH, the FBI, when a federal
agency goes in and investigates someone, or any agency goes
in and puts someone under an investigation that in and
of itself is a living hell, and it's tough. It is.
(32:20):
It is tough on that person. So whether they end
up convicting uh you know, at the end or not,
doesn't matter, because the punishment is done. You lose your innocence,
you lose your idealism, you lose a lot of your
time and treasure defending it. You're preparing for these things,
(32:40):
You're going to hearings, You're you're you're preparing documents. I mean,
and you're you're in legal jeopardy. You're you're you're afraid, right,
You're you're going to bed scared. And this is as
you said, the process is the punishment. Even if they
never get a conviction and they don't care, it's a
day job for them. It's it's a pretty pretty tough deal.
(33:02):
I must say, Aton Him, thank you very much for
your time and your perspective. But more importantly, thank you
on behalf of a lot of children who will benefit
from what you've done. Thank you for being willing to
speak out and be a whistle blower and and put
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yourself through this living hell. We need more Aton Hims.
Your your mother should be very proud of you. That's
how we started our discussion, and that's how we'll conclude it.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I appreciate you, sir, thank you, And do you mind
if I add one more thing? You know we we
are we have a Gifts and Go you know, Backslash Texas, Underscore,
whistleblower and you know any support would you know? It
means more than words can describe.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So how do we do that?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
You go to give sense go and then you know
Backslash Texas and then Underscore, which is like the lower line.
You know, I got to shift and then something and
then whistleblower. But that's or if you just hype in
my name, I'm sure you to find it on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
H I am. If someone wants to help you, they're
going to be able to find you. I'm having trouble
with my computer right now, but yes, and I will
announce set it again next week. Thank you, doctor him,
Thank you, sir
Speaker 3 (34:26):
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It's that time time, time, luck and load. So Michael
Verie Show is.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
On the air.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Aton him is our guest Roman. I don't know if
you had potted the audio down or not. I want
to make sure that Aton's clarification of I'm not trying
to put words in your mouth. I'm trying to simplify
for an audience and make this all make sense because
they haven't had the benefit of reading the articles yet.
He was the whistleblower who came forward to tell what
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Texas Children's Hospital was doing at that time, and now
the FEDS are trying to ruin his life. I want
to give you an opportunity to clear up what I
may have misstated at the end of that segment.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, So between March and twenty twenty two and when
our story came out May of twenty twenty three, they
had been continuing or related interventions. Because in March twenty
twenty two they had said they stopped I equivalently, they
had said they stopped. Our story came out on May sixteenth.
May seventeenth, the passage of SB fourteen would make it
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illegal to perform these interventions. And then you know, I
think maybe ten fifteen days after that was when the
seal of the hospital said that they would shut down
their program. So, you know, because after that I had
graduated from the program. You know, according to them, they
had shut down the program after that, So I would
take them for their word. And just because I don't
(01:38):
have any I couldn't say that they had continued it.
They had said they stopped. So you know, if they
said that, then you know, I don't have any information
that would counter that.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So so you're walking the hallways, you're working long hours.
You were a young surgeon. It's a tough. You know,
the early part of a doctor's career is brutal. I mean,
they're legendary. When you would see these children, I mean,
did you ever see a child that was being wheeled
in to have this gender reassignment, to have a sex change,
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or a child coming out of that. I got to
think that if you see something like that, it's like
a it's like being a war report. You never you
never get over that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
No, you know, I had never seen it, because if
I did, you know, it's it's something that you know,
I wouldn't just stand by and watch it happen. But
you know, I knew people who did, and you know
they had told me about it after and you had
to expressed shock as to the nature of what was happening.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Do you have any idea how many doctors were performing
this procedure?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I think it was a small number. Small number.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, I mean, how does a doctor Maybe you can't answer,
but I'm going to ask it. How does a doctor
end up being in a position of butchering a child?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Like?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
What's going through that person's mind? I mean, we most
people recognize that you don't let children start smoking, you
don't let children vote, you don't let children get tattoos.
You don't let children consent to sex because they're not
capable of they've not reached the age of maturity. They
are miners, their brains are developing, and here is as
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permanent a thing as you can possibly impose upon them.
How does a doctor overcome that? I mean, have you
heard people answer this question?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You know it's I believe it has to do with
this underlying ideology. Right, people they want to have meaning
in their life, but they don't want to make the
effort to do anything meaningful, Like they want to be righteous,
but they don't want to exert the effort to be virtuous,
you know. And what happens with this is that it's
(03:58):
you know, a shortcut to me so they can do
something and do something that that's not true and give
themselves that false sense of righteousness. But it's happening at
the cost of these children. And that's where, you know,
there's this connection between this and all these other issues
(04:21):
we're seeing in our society because you have these people
who are you praying at these ideological altars for whatever
phony caused, but they're doing so because they have no
meaning in their life and they're looking for it, but
they're looking in all the wrong places. And instead of
you know, standing up to something powerful, they're just you know,
playing their role in this kabuki theater that is, you know,
(04:44):
this modern phenomenon of the woke left.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'm going to read from a line from one of
the articles about you. It says, I am continued to
hear stories from other residents, that's other young doctors like yourself,
and then came across a public quote Grand rounds end
quote presentation by top doctors at the hospital encouraging the
(05:09):
use of puberty blockers and hormone treatments. The lecture coached
primary care doctors how to funnel patients into the transgender
clinic where they could receive treatment. Tell me a little
bit about that.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, it's the important thing is the Grand round Leischer
is one of the most prestigious leisure theories given in
the hospital. And when you have the directors of the
program who are talking about integrating this algorithm into other
parts of the hospital and teaching doctors how to ask
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these questions behind the parents' backs, it's something that's truly shocking,
and because that's what they were talking about, and you
almost can't believe it's real. But when you see what's
your own eyes and you understand it's happening at the
hospital you're working at, you you couldn't. I couldn't live
with myself if you know I didn't didn't do something
(06:07):
about it. So I did?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And what does that include? I mean in your mind,
you're certain you've done nothing wrong. You've said that in
every in every article I I've seen written there their
claim is that you have you have violated I guess, hippo,
you violated the But what is their claim?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
You know? Uh? I honestly wish I could answer that question,
because at this point I have no idea, really no idea,
because that hasn't been something that's been communicated. If I
were to guess, right, because I want to answer your question,
I would think it is something along those lines. That's
what I would think, because I know that the reason
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they had pursued. My belief is that the reason they
pursue this aggressive investigation so quick after the story came
out is because we were so successful in exposing what
happens and it being voted to become illegal. Because when
you have doctors and nurses who are willing to speak
out and tell the truth, then all of these things,
(07:19):
that these false, absurd practices that they are pursuing will
be questioned and it's all going to crumble down. And
in order for them to silence those doctors and nurses,
they have to come after people like me. But in
this case, they just chose the wrong target. But yeah,
(07:39):
in my opinion, that's probably what I would think. But
even to that, what could they possibly do. It's crazy.
It's hard to believe that you would have serious people
who consider themselves part of the justice system do something
like this because what we exposed was votes to become illegal, right,
(08:00):
and they're going after the whistleblower who made who told
the truth when the hospital was lying to the public.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Aton hold right there, Ayton him is our guest. He's
the whistleblower, h doctor in the Texas Children's Hospital sex
change story. Now the Feds are trying to destroy his life.
We'll talk about doing him coming up. Doctor Aton times,
(08:32):
our guests. He is the whistleblower in the Texas Children's
Hospital case where he was a resident on staff and
he went to Chris Rufo, Uh, this great journalist, and said, hey,
Texas Children's Hospital says they're not performing sex changes on children,
but they are. I know it. I'm a surgeon here,
(08:54):
I know what they're doing. And Rufo wrote a piece
and the Texas legislature a few days later passed Senate
Bill fourteen, which officially banned transgender procedures for minors. You know,
we talked earlier about this, and it has been widely
written that Rufo's piece is what turned a lot of
(09:17):
even Democrats into, Hey, we can't have this. We've got
to pass a state law. What about the details of
what Rufo wrote and what you disclosed, do you think
bothered people most that they said, we've got to make
this illegal.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You know, it's the truth, the truth of what was happening.
All we had exposed, We had made public what these
people were advocating for publicly in their lectures and conferences,
and that's it. By making that public that was enough
to garner bipartisan support in order to make this illegal.
(09:53):
So if these people were doing the same thing today
as they were, then right, that would be illegal. So
I think it's it's the shocking nature in terms of
that it was being done to such young children, and
people inherently know what this is doing to these kids,
and they don't want it happening in their state.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And so what happened to you? You you graduated, and
then what happened?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, So I had graduated, and these federal agents had
come to my apartment, and you know, over the next
couple of months, you know, I came to a conclusion
that this is an investigation being pursued for political and
ideological reasons, and if I'm the target of an investigation
(10:37):
like this, there's no chance for me to survive it
by staying silent, because that's where these people operate most effectively. Right,
because that's that's where they can you know, intimidate you,
where they can scare you into, you know, trying to
concede to something that never happens. And I refuse to
(11:00):
bend to me and let that happen, because if I
don't stand up, Now, what kind of country will I
deliver to my future children or other generations or other kids? Like,
if you have a child, how proud would you be
if they went to medical school and became a surgeon?
(11:21):
But like, you don't want them living in a world
where if they do the right thing and expose something
hainous that's happening that federal agents are going to come
to their house on the day they graduate. Right. So
even though there was a lot on the line from me,
I was just starting my career, when you think about
the calculus in those terms, then you know it's really
(11:42):
not that big of a deal. Of course I had
to do this. There was there was no option, you know,
whatever the consequences are I have. You know, this has
to be done and no matter the challenges, it's it's
you know, will fight until then there's no stopping.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And so what is your professional status right now? What
are you you.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
You know, I started my I'm a you know, I
started my practice in a small town outside of Dallas,
and it's an amazing job. I work with some of
the best people. It's a very small town. And you know,
I won't speak for the hospital, just say that I
work with really, really, really good people. So you know,
I just did a case this morning, you know, operating today,
(12:26):
and you know, got a couple of cases next week
doing clinic. So I'm just continuing on as usual because
I mean, I got to take care of my family.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And of course, well and it's your ministry. I mean,
look at you don't do this isn't just a job.
I tell people, you know, when I was growing up,
my parents wanted me to be a doctor. I had
no interest, but you know that was all they knew
as to how you get rich as you become a doctor.
And I tell my wife's Indians, so we have a
lot of doctors in our family, a lot all her
relatives are doctors. And I say, the per hour earnings
(12:54):
of a doctor are not very high, particularly when you
factor in how long you have to go to school
and all that. And it's a brutal, brutal life it's
a calling, it's a ministry, it's it's something you only
do if you're deeply passionate about it, and obviously you are.
I think one of the things that is worth noting.
And I tell you it would have been much easier
(13:16):
for you to simply turn a blind eye to what
you knew was going on. This wasn't a path to riches.
This did not professionally aid you. It endangered your career,
and now it's put you in legal jeopardy where you
know you're under federal investigation and harassment as a result
of all this. You could have done what probably a
lot of other people just like you, similarly situated at
(13:38):
Texas children did and look the other way. But you
chose not to, and I think that's remarkable.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You know, I would have to crush you on one
thing because you say it would be easy right to
just you know, turn the other cheek, and you know
I would disagree with that because if I did just
do nothing about it, right, you carry that weight every
single day and at some point, you know, the people
in your life, your kids are going to ask you.
You know you were you were there when this was happening,
(14:05):
Like what you do about it. And if your answer
is nothing, I mean that's a hard thing to do.
So for me, this was this was the easy thing, right.
It's things silent that would have been more difficult. Yeah.
And you know, and when other doctors and nurses, when
they should understand that, because when you allow yourself to
(14:27):
be degraded, right, when you give up your dignity, you
have to live with that every single day and that
will eat away you. Because once you get to the
other side, if you stand up, you do the right thing,
you maintain your dignity. There's this other world where you
have millions and millions of people who are willing to
get by your side and do the right thing. And
it might be frightening at first, but as someone who's
(14:47):
living it right, I'm on the other side and the
grass is way greener on this side than staying something
living in this darkness, because that's how I felt before.
But that's the truth, and you know, it's already happening.
It's already happening now.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I have a deep level of respect and admiration for
you for being willing to do this, because the path
of least resistance and the path that most would follow
is simply to look the other way and keep moving.
(15:24):
And you took this burden upon yourself and obviously have
made your life a lot harder because of it. Because
it's the right thing to do, and the right thing
to do matters. And you saw something and you did something,
and you know, doing the right thing is often not
going to get a parade in your honor. Many times
(15:47):
people hate the person who does the right thing. Who
would have known a surgeon on a surgeon who was
a resident at Texas Children's Hospital would be put into
a situation where you could make a dramatic I mean
a state law was changed largely because of what you
were willing to expose. That didn't make you popular with
the Texas Children's Hospital team, and they're a very influential
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hospital system. So the fact that you were willing to
do this, I think is remarkable, absolutely remarkable. Hold with
me just one more moment, Aton aton Heim.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, Michael Barry wouldn't change black in the system lack
of modern day.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Robin General Surgeon Aton Haim is speaking out against people
who performed transgender procedures on minors.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
These doctors believe they can become gods and create something new.
It's not a doctor's job to harm people, even if
the person wants it harm.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
He says, that's often permanent.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
They have to give up something that they have no
concept of understanding, which is the potential laws of having
a family in the future.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Texas Children's Hospital, where doctor Ham worked, announced they were
stopping their transgender procedures, prompting the resignation of doctor Catherine Gordon,
a staunch proponent. However, Haines said he discovered the procedures
were still taking place.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
There were a few residents who I knew who said
that they had just finished implanting a perie blocking device
in eleven twelve thirteen year old kid who believed they
were transgender, who had all these psychiatric issues which were
being unaddressed.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Ham gave documents, possibly redacted patient records, to reporter Chris
Rufo to prove the treatments were still going on.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
The largest children's hospital in the world was lying about
a program that was manipulating, mutilating, and sterilizing young confused
ils some children.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Ayton him is our guest doctor Ayton him He is
the whistleblower who was a resident at Texas Children's Hospital
who blew the whistle that was the subject of the
article that changed state laws so that Texas Children's Hospital
so that it would be legal in the state of
Texas to change the sex of a child. They're just
(18:24):
not ready for that. And now the Feds are coming
down and attacking him and trying to ruin his life
for being the whistleblower. That's why you have whistleblower protections,
by the way, folks, because the person who exposes the bat.
We wonder why Nazis got away with it because people
that saw what was going on didn't want to speak out.
(18:44):
That was also true in Russia. That was also true
at Run. That was also you can go on in
world Come. You can go on and on and on
crimes that occur, bad Epstein, bad things that happened. Because
no one wants to be the one who says, hey, guys,
us I saw what's happening over there and it's really
bad because you're the one that's going to be attacked
(19:05):
because bad people are going to cover for themselves. So
is this an ongoing investigation? I mean, what what is
the status? What is your status? And with with regard
to this, obviously they're trying to intimidate you and harass you.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
M hm. So yeah, it's it's ongoing, so we don't
know where it's going to go. But uh, you know,
I think that the easiest way to approach these kind
of situations is just to tell the truth. And that's
that's what I'm doing. This is what's happening. And uh uh,
let the cards, you know, let's the lets the piece
as fall as they may. You know, we're gonna just
(19:41):
take it head on and that's it, you know, because
we know that there's so many people out there who
are finally coming to understand what's happening with this country
and understanding that the risks involved if we do nothing,
because if we if we don't do anything, now, I mean,
it's that's not right. We have to.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Your wife, you know, I was a public figure as
an elected official and now as a guy who talks
on the radio for well over for almost twenty five years.
And my wife's no shrinking Violet. She was Secretary of
State of the State of Texas. Can she can during
a time during the time of our election law, our
election integrity law, and she went around the state explaining
(20:26):
the law to people who thought it was it was
intended to suppress votes and explaining to them that it
wasn't and winning over a lot of people. But I've
always said it's harder on her than me, because the
spouse suffers more than the person in public life, because
they have to suffer quietly. How has your wife done with.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
All of this? Yeah, I mean she's the strongest person
I know. Yeah, and we're closer now than we've ever been.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Was there ever a moment where she said, honey, I
love you, I admire you. But but couldn't you have
just looked the other way? Or did she know that
that's just not in your makeup?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
The latter.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
And your colleagues, you know, you have all these folks
you went to med school with, the folks who went
to college with, the folks who went to high school with.
I mean, your story is getting a lot of attention
across the country. It's it's a lightning rod of a case.
What are people saying to you?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, I mean just outpouring of support. Of course. You know,
I know for a fact that there are tons of
people who strongly disagree. Probably I think I should be
in prison for the rest of my life. You know,
of course, who are not reaching out to me, So
I know that there are a lot of those, and
that the people who are reaching out to me, it's
kind of a sampling bias. So but yeah, I mean
(21:53):
it's just, you know, a huge amount support. I've only
got one hate email, so for I think that's pretty good.
You know, one Mere article which I thought was brilliant
because they included my favorite quote in the article, which
was about it was in the interview with Chris Ruffo.
I said that, you know, I wouldn't let Anthony Fauci
(22:14):
take care of my goldfish, which, for the record, I
would still not let him take care of my goldfish.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So well, I am reminded of. Speaking of great quotes,
I am reminded by one of my absolute favorite quotes,
and it's by Winston Churchill, and he said, you have enemies. Good.
That means you've stood up for something sometime in your life.
And you have stood up for something sometime in your life.
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Did you have any did you was this an issue
that simply presented itself at the medical institution where you
were a resident, or was this something that you had
written about, talked about, thought about, spoken about, learned about previously.
Was this your hot button issue or was just something
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you you witness and you had to do something about it.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
No, it was just something that was emerging in the
post twenty twenty era. It was things were getting crazier.
You know, the medical profession was adopting these ideas and
practices that were not consistent with the principles that had
been guiding our profession for generations. And the more you
(23:30):
see it, the more you can't believe it's happening. But
then the more you see it, the more you acknowledge
that's real and that there's no way it's going to
change unless you do something about it. So, yeah, it's
not one of those things that's like one day it's
like all right, yeah, like I gotta do this. This
was something that kind of had been percolating over the
course of months years, because every day you have these
(23:52):
small experiences and it's just one thing after the other,
and it leads you to that ultimate question, well, am
I just going to with this or am I going
to do the right thing? And then you know, I
had decided I need to do something about it, because
you know, I was not made to be on radio shows,
right like that was there, was made to work in
(24:12):
a hospital. You know, I don't even have social media, right,
but it's like, I mean, I kind of have to now,
But it was never my intention. I mean, yeah, I'm
a We're like private people. We live in a very
small down you know, we you know our next rour neighbors.
You know, we drink beers in their driveway and do
country karaoke in their garage. I mean, you know, this
(24:32):
is not something that we would ever think we would
ever do.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
What kind of nice Jewish boy from Florida does country karaoke?
You're meant to be intech?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I love it? Yeah, yeah, I love country. Big fan.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
You are something of an anomaly. You are an interesting character.
Aton time is our guest. I have just a few
wrap up questions for you. If you can hang with
me for one more segment, we will have more with
him if you have. If you've not yet read the
stories of this whistleblower at Texas Children's Hospital and now
(25:11):
the Feds are trying to destroy his life, it is
both horrifying that they're doing this and absolutely empowering that
this man was willing, especially young in his career, to
be willing to do this go read the story. It's
quite interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
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the King of Dean suggested for general audiences as.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
On time is our guest. He was a young resident
at Texas Children's Hospital, prestigious institution in Houston, and they said,
in the early part of twenty twenty two, did Texas
children that they're not They're pausing, They're not doing the
sex changes on children. And a year later he realized
(26:04):
they were doing it. So he was the whistleblower and
Chris Ruffo wrote the story and the story a couple
of days before the Texas legislature voted on the bill,
and they voted, including Democrats, Hey, no more sex changes.
Don't change kids sex when they're too young to be
able to change back. You're messing these kids up. And
(26:26):
now the Feds are trying to destroy his life because
he dared share the facts, which you know, they claimed
this wasn't happening, but it was. So you've had the
lawyer up through all this. I mean you've had to
you've had to prepare for what could be something really
(26:48):
nasty against you and the weight of the federal government
against you.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, And that's the important thing for people to understand,
because we have to fight this because if this is
allowed to stand, if with flowers like me can be silenced,
then hospitals can do whatever they want to whoever they want,
and any doctor or nurse who speaks out and says
something will be targeted by the federal of Ivant. But
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we have to make sure that does not happen. So
we have to fight it, and we're going to do
it tooth and nail.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
So I don't expect you to be an expert on
sex change procedures for children, but you do have an opinion,
and you have been on staff at Texas Children's Hospital
where you were a resident. In your mind, what should
happen if a child does legitimately feel that they are
a girl trapped in a boy's body or vice versa.
(27:47):
What should be the approach? And I'm assuming then you know,
by the time they reach majority eighteen, then that becomes
their decision what they do. And they're very different at
eighteen than they are at nine or ten. But I'm
sure you have some thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Well. I would say that in both children and adults,
I would disagree with it because the role of a doctor,
the role of medical therapy is to preserve naturally occurring physiology.
So we are created, whether you believe it is God
or evolution in a certain way, two legs, two arms,
(28:26):
you know, mouths, two eyes, and that is the naturally
occurring physiology we go towards. So whenever you feel sick
with the flu, you know you're sick because you're not
feeling like you normally do. Right, there's a deviation that's
like what I would classify a disease pathology. So that's
where you have a doctor, you know, prescribe interventions to
get you back to that naturally occurring physiology. What this
(28:50):
is doing is taking someone from that baseline state of health,
naturally occurring physiology, and permanently placing them into a state
of disease. And you might have the perception of short
term efficacy, but over the long run, it is untenable
(29:11):
to live something that is not true. And that's why
in both children and adults it should not be done.
Because if someone would comes to my client and say,
you know, I feel like you know, I was not
born to have eyes, so you know, I need affirmation
that I will be happy without eyes. We would never
(29:33):
in a million years do that because you're you're you
would be destroying the natural occurring physiology, which is the
natural goal of the physician. And these were these are
not my ideas. I mean, these are just this was
something that was written about by Aristotle, and and you
(29:54):
know he had written a lot about a lot, but
I mean some of his best work was about the
about medicine and the philosophy behind it. And you know,
our modern conception of medicine is based on that because
everything we do is meant to restore naturally occurring physiology.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I can only read from the article. We can't litigate
the case here. But one of the things that was
a point that was made in your defense is that
the screenshots of the clinic and operating room schedules that
they're heavily redacted, They don't include names. There's nothing that
(30:40):
would allow you to identify a patient. If you can't
reveal this having happened based on it having happened, then
they wouldn't be They would basically be able to commit
crimes and nobody would be able to stop them. Because
to reveal that they were committing crimes would be to
(31:01):
subject yourself to a charge of violating the medical records laws.
So what they're trying to say is a hospital can
get away with whatever they want because if if a
physician reveals what happened, then we're going to destroy him.
And I think that's exactly what's what's happening here, right, And.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That's exactly the stakes because that's how they use it, right,
you know, they they have these laws they and it's
also where the process is the punishment right where you know,
yet they don't have anything right, It's like there's there's
(31:42):
nothing they can do right where it's uh that would
actually be included in this. But the reason they do
it is because the process is a punishment. That's how
you disincentivez of people telling the truth in these situations.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
You know, it's the process is the punishment. Is a
line I often use, whether it's the I R. S.
Department of Homeland Security, UH, the FBI, when a federal
agency goes in and investigates someone, or any agency goes
in and puts someone under an investigation that in and
of itself is a living hell, and it's tough. It is.
(32:20):
It is tough on that person. So whether they end
up convicting uh you know, at the end or not,
doesn't matter, because the punishment is done. You lose your innocence,
you lose your idealism, you lose a lot of your
time and treasure defending it. You're preparing for these things,
(32:40):
You're going to hearings, You're you're you're preparing documents. I mean,
and you're you're in legal jeopardy. You're you're you're afraid, right,
You're you're going to bed scared. And this is as
you said, the process is the punishment. Even if they
never get a conviction and they don't care, it's a
day job for them. It's it's a pretty pretty tough deal.
(33:02):
I must say, Aton Him, thank you very much for
your time and your perspective. But more importantly, thank you
on behalf of a lot of children who will benefit
from what you've done. Thank you for being willing to
speak out and be a whistle blower and and put
(33:24):
yourself through this living hell. We need more Aton Hims.
Your your mother should be very proud of you. That's
how we started our discussion, and that's how we'll conclude it.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I appreciate you, sir, thank you, And do you mind
if I add one more thing? You know we we
are we have a Gifts and Go you know, Backslash Texas, Underscore,
whistleblower and you know any support would you know? It
means more than words can describe.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
So how do we do that?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
You go to give sense go and then you know
Backslash Texas and then Underscore, which is like the lower line.
You know, I got to shift and then something and
then whistleblower. But that's or if you just hype in
my name, I'm sure you to find it on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
H I am. If someone wants to help you, they're
going to be able to find you. I'm having trouble
with my computer right now, but yes, and I will
announce set it again next week. Thank you, doctor him,
Thank you, sir
Speaker 3 (34:26):
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