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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The presidential candidacy of Robert F.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Kennedy Junior did not leap to the forefront of political
news because the Democrats kept him off of the ballot
most days.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
He had to fight like hell to get back.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
On the ballot, and now they won't take him off
even though he has endorsed President Trump. One of the
areas in probably the primary area where I think he
has made a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And I don't agree with Robert F.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Kennedy Junior on every issue, I want to be clear
on that, but he has been a person who has
brought our attention to what goes in our foods, what
we're feeding our children, what we're putting into our bodies,
and what we're calling quote unquote medicine. You know, when
you go to the doctor. My mother desperately wanted me
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to be a doctor because she had such respect and
admiration for doctors. She was a nurse's aide when we
were little, to help pay the bills, and we had
the physician's desk reference and that was everything that was before.
That was before the med MD or whatever, where you
could go in there and find all the things you
were going to die of. But doctors were healers. They
were trusted. There are a cross between a scientist and
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your pastor. And there was such respect for the doctor
and the medical establishment and vaccines and pharmaceuticals and all
these scenes were gonna help us live longer and be happier.
And somewhere along the way it all went wrong, and
that misplaced trust is a legacy, sadly of a time
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that is long gone, or maybe maybe never really existed.
We came across the name of Kim Whitsas and she
has a funny spelling. It's polish. For those of you
who are polished, you're like, not funny it all. I
know exactly how spelling. She sued viser and she is
the reason we have black box suicide warnings on SSRIs.
She's become a drug safety advocate and this is her passion.
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And I'll tell you, hell hath no fury like a
woman's gooring. Hell hath twice the fury as a woman
on a mission. And she is a woman on a mission.
Honored to have you, Kim Whitsacks, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh thanks for having me. Thank you so much. And
I like your introduction when you talk about the trust
because I think, you know, that is a very common
and I still think there's that's a pretty common attitude today.
Maybe a little bit different than you know the last
couple of years. But yeah, you know, I'm glad, I'm
glad you're having this conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Let's go to the toughest thing we're going to have
to talk about today. On August six, two thousand and three,
my world came crashing down on me. Can you tell
what happened and what spurred you to commit your life
to this?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Sure? I like to call myself the accidental advocate because
I never set out to do the work, the drug
safety work that I do today, but sometimes our greatest
purposes choose us. On August sixth, two thousand and three,
over twenty one years ago, I was out of town
on business and I got a call from my dad
because I hadn't heard from my husband all day. And
I'd say, hey, Dad, do me a favorite go over
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and chuck and see if my if what he was,
you know, because he had just started a new job
and was having trouble sleeping. So my dad goes over
to my house and I get a call. I'm still
on set shooting at like eight o'clock at night in Detroit,
and it was my dad and the phone call it's bad,
it's bad. I'm like, what do you mean it's bead
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like what he's dead. I'm like, what do you mean
what he's dead? He's like, I go, how do you
know he's done? He's like, he's hanging, and literally, in
one like second, my entire world, everything that I had planned,
everything that I knew, came crashing, crashing down, and literally
those words to this day, twenty one years later, still
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you know, ring in my head because I still can't
believe it. And I've been doing this work for twenty
one years, but you know, everything intuitively in my body
when my dad's like he's dead and hanging and I'm
like what. He wasn't depressed. He had no history of
depression or anything else. He had just started his dream
job with a startup company five weeks or earlier in
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the year, but five weeks earlier he went to the
doctor because he was having trouble sleeping. So he was
one of those guys that you were just talking about,
like your mother, who blindly trusted the doctors, right. His
doctor would was a big athlete. They put him together,
you know, after he got injured playing sports. You know,
he got stitches, they stitched them up, you know, fixed
his knees. He didn't think that they got paid enough
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because they got him back up and running and playing
on the basketball court, et cetera. So he went to
his GP, you know, about five weeks earlier, and was
telling him how he was having trouble sleeping, and his doctor,
who he trusted, gave him a three week sample pack
of an antidepressant, Zoloft, and said that it would take
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the edge off and help him sleep. And I happened
to be it was my busy time of my work,
and I happened to be out of the country the
first three weeks. What he was put on those drugs,
and the drug that he came home with the sample
pack automatically doubled the dose after week one. And so
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that's really kind of the precipitus of this what he
had no history. But literally, when I got that call,
I'm like, there's no Everything in my body was like,
there's no way that what he was hanging like, it
just didn't even make it didn't even compute with my body.
But literally that night when my life fell apart. The
corner called and asked me a question and asked if
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what he was taking any medication. The only thing he
was taking was Zoloft, and she said, we're going to
take it with us. It might have something to do
with his death. That was clue number one. Clue number
two was, ironically, the same day what he was found,
the front page of our Minneapolis Star Tribune had an
article that said the UK finds link between antidepressants and
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suicide in teens. And that literally happened the same night
that my husband's death. That made no sense happened. So
you know, that became really the start of it. As
I'm trying to get back from Detroit where I was,
back to Minneapolis, my brother in law goes home and
googles Zoloft and suicide. And we had no idea that
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the FDA held hearings in nineteen ninety one when it
was only Prozac on the market, and at that time,
every one of the Advisory board members took money from
pharmaceutical makers make an antidepressants, and they said, nope, we
don't see any link between violence and suicide with prozac.
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So the FDA said told Eli Lilly Let's study suicidality.
Of course, they never did or never never got brought
to the forefront. And meanwhile, the FDA approved additional antidepressants
from Pfizer being Zoloft and Paxel from glaxvill Smith Klein
and approved it for children. And so that was Woody
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was two thousand and three. This was in nineteen ninety one.
So almost immediately this became our mission because Woody loved life,
and there was no way that this was going to
be the legacy that was going to be, you know,
for him. He loved you know, we were just starting
to try to have kids and and everything. So this
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became our mission, my brother in law and I's mission,
and started almost immediately going out to DC and we
call it the Battle for Woody, and it became, you know,
meeting with everybody from the FDA, Congress, anybody who would
listen to tell our story, and then ultimately had a
lawsuit which was part of it, and got documents out
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from under seal. But it's a pretty tragic story and
it's one that still is going on, you know, twenty
one years later, and it's become just part of who
I am today because we didn't know. We blindly trusted,
and if I could do anything to help another family
not have to discover what we discovered after the fact,
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I will do that the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Hold right there. Kim Witsex is our guest. If you
want to find her, it's online. It's Kim Whitsex dot com.
And I'll spell it for you. Kay, I am obviously
w I t czak, w I t czak more.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
With Earth coming up?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Remember me?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Okay, remember Scott make Kim Witsex is our guest. A
quote attributed to her sickness used to happen to you.
Now we live in a world where it is being
sold to us. It sounds very reminiscent of what Robert F.
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Kennedy Junior has said over the last few years, and
that is, there's nothing more profitable than a sick child.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Kim.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
We talked about the impetus for this activism on your part.
I'm guessing it doesn't pay well, if at all. But
you know, there is something about a ministry as zeal
a person has when they see wrong and they have
to write it. Do you see any hope in your
twenty one years of advocacy, are we seeing I want
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to go deeper into what you have to say, But
is there any light at the end of the tunnelies,
are you collecting any winds along the way.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Sure, you know it's been a long journey, but you
know some of the winds along the way where the
fact that we did get the warnings added to antidepressants
in two thousand and four, in two thousand and six,
but to this day there are no there are no
warnings that exist for all ages. And the reality is
with antidepressants, the risk of side violence, all of any
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of those kind of neuropsychiatric side effects happened at all ages,
so everybody should be worn. So there's you know, that
was a light. I think the fact that I got
appointed and was you know, I sit on the FDA
Advisory Committee, the same one that in nineteen ninety one
didn't do their job. I sit on that committee today
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and I'm off in the loan vote, but at least
I'm there, you know, So these are some small wins.
And then I would also say, you know, I feel
like I've been banging my head for a long time
on these issues as well as you know, I thought
it was truly when when it first happened. I mean,
I was kind of one of those people that blindly
trusted to to be honest, and I thought it was
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just an issue with antidepressants, but I realized, oh no, no, no,
this is a systemic problem with our whole drug safety system.
It is you know, health as I always say, healthcare
is of business and they need patients to go to,
you know, as custom And so I do think the
last couple of years of you know, with what happened
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with COVID and the rushed the you know quote unquote
vaccine uh that I think we've now opened. I think
that was the light that kind of spotlighted what's been
going on for and for people like Kennedy, people like
myself who've been in this, the lawyers, other advocates and
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that have been advocating for the ugly side of medicine,
the harms. This has been going on for a long time.
But I think there's all these new people that have
come into the system and are now seeing like whoa
even like I love when I hear doctors that have
like are starting to learn wait, I didn't even know
what I didn't know. And I think that to me
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is a bright spot that we have to continue to
shine the light and and bring more people into the fold,
because ultimately, at the end of the day, you know,
you know, keeping people sick is a great business strategy.
It's an awful strategy for living well, into you and
aging well.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You know, it's a they call it planned obsolescence in
the consumer product market, the idea that we could make
a tire that would last a million miles, one hundred years,
whatever the period of time is. But where's the profit
in that? It's much better to treat the symptoms than
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to heal the patient, because when you heal the patient,
you don't keep him on a monthly subscription. Once you
understand how often that is the case. And I want
to be very clear, there are a number of doctors
and medical professionals listening to our show, and I don't
want you to think that we think that every one
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of you is evil. In fact, very few are. But
it's enough to make a difference, and the business side
of this doesn't have to be terrible. I want people
to make money. I want them to make money. I
want their patents protected, I want them to engage in
research and development. I want them seeking cures to things.
But I cannot pretend any longer that we live in
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a world where it's not the case that people are
being allowed to suffer and die when there are cures.
People are being injected with what's being called a vaccine
that is not a vaccine. They're getting boosters. I don't
know what number they're on. Now we find out that
eleven thousand governmental officials were exempted from it.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It's nonsense. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And if you love humanity and you love your neighbor,
you have to be willing to study and enter into
some very difficult conversations. And that's what I hope we're
talking about today. That's what I hope you'll be willing
to be open minded about. I read of you, Kim Witsex.
My drug safety FDA reform advocacy was born out of
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nothing but a deep knowing that something didn't make sense
about what he's done. And if you're new to the show,
that's her late husband who hanged himself. So I started
to dig into the one only thing that changed my
husband's life, being prescribed zoloft. This journey for the truth
took me to the FDA, HHS, Congress of Courts and
the media. What I learned shocked me. Someone had to
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do something, So why not me talk a little more
about what you learned about the pharmaceutical industry side effects,
because I know somebody who took his own life, who
was on an antidepressant it precededoloft, and you never get
that person back.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The pain never heals.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah. Absolutely, well, I have to say I was pretty shocked,
you know, just even I will go back to just
knowing that in nineteen ninety one there were hearings at
the FDA, like how come I we didn't know? I mean, granted,
in nineteen ninety one, I was like, just so you
know in college, like that was the furthest thing from me.
I had no history of any of these medications. But
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you know, the biggest thing, and I think what was
really potent in helping get and push for the black
Black suicide warnings as well as there were big congressional
hearings that were happening at that time too, to do
with all of the moneies that were flowing between the companies,
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academic institutions, the FDA and the and the companies, and
so that was happening at the same time. But really
what was potent was the drug company and FDA internal
documents that the judge in My Wrongful Death Failure to
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Warned lawsuit released that showed that the FDA advisor black
Closmith's client, they've known about the risk of suicide and
violence as well as the lack of efficacy from the
early days. Like when you see it in black and
white on their letterhead. It's not about you know, what
are being gone and meeting all these other families that
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had very similar examples, you know, similar situations. It's when
you see that on letterhead and you're like somebody new
and you know, people like Woody and countless and thousands
of others and probably hundreds of thousands of others were
considered the cost of doing business collateral damage because you know,
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they'll always be risk with medicine. So they just kind
of factored in almost like an actuarial you know, it's
a business decision, but you know what for for somebody
like me and our family, like those were that was
somebody's husband, that was somebody's son, that was somebody's uncle,
that was somebody's friend, that's somebody's kid, and so those
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you know, once you put it in that kind of frame.
You have to do something, and I'm all about making money,
but doing it the right way. And when you know,
and this is what I'll never understand, even back then,
when they'll be like, oh, well, these drugs just make you.
They make you feel better, so you're going to to
you know, act on your impulses, I'm like, well that
should have been number one warning. You should have done
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that from the beginning. But again when you look at
the documents where you know, like one of them was
just this that I didn't realize that. In Germany, prozac
was never approved initially for two reasons, risk of suicide
lack of efficacy. Eventually it did get approved, but it
had to be prescribed with a sedative, and that is
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to to offset this like akathesia, which is this side effect,
which is what they kept from GPS and Fizer actually
talked about it as if a patient or somebody gets
this side effect to akathesia, which is like what Wood
he told me three weeks after he started taking the drug,
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where he was standing outside his head looking a body
looking in and I had no idea what was happenings.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Any more to talk about Kim Whitsack is with Kim
Whitzack is our guest. Will continue our conversation with her.
Her comment that sickness used to happen to you. Now
we live in a world where it is being sold
to us.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I don't care if somebody disrespects you. You can't shoot Michael.
It's been refolk. Kim Whitsacks is our guest.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's an odd spelling, but if you can figure it out,
you can find her online.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You can connect with her.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You can learn a lot more about her passion and
zeal and activism for the health of her fellow man,
for information and transparency.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I understand there.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Are side effects to every drug. I understand that there
can be a downside to a drug that can heal
a lot of people. But consumers, patients, Americans should know
what those things are. They shouldn't be hidden from you.
You shouldn't be lied to. Kim Whitsacks is spelled Kim
obviously Wi t cza. Let's spell that again, Wi t
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cz ak kimwhitsas dot com. Kim, you were finishing talking
about what his death. That's her late husband. He hanged himself.
He was on zoloft that set her off on a
over two decade long journey of activism and we're the
better for it.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
But I think I had to interrupt you in the middle.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Oh sure. So I was talking about the side effect akathusia,
and one of the documents that we got out from
the lawsuits that was written by Pfizer's chief medical officer.
It's a journal article that it talked about if patients
get the side effect akathesia, it's quote unquote death can
be a welcome result. So that was public, But what
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was in public was the fact that he wrote a
memo to his sales field staff saying that the attached
journal article is not suitable for general practitioners, but maybe
of inter neurologically inclined by psychology or psychiatrists. Well, the
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bulk of these drugs were written by GPS, so they
intentionally kept that from GPS. And so once you started
digging in, and I would, because I love traveling, and
I would go to all these conferences around the world
with my lawyers, and I would go to the one
that had a huge profiund impact on me. That also
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was what I ended up bringing the conference here to
the States. It was called Selling Sickness and it was
put on by the Dutch government, attended by people from
all over the European, EU, Australia, all over. There's a
handful of us from the US and they were mostly
attorneys and activists and myself, and every example that they
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were using of selling sickness was from the US. And
I remember thinking, why isn't this conversation happening in the US.
And then I started realizing, oh, wait, our whole system
is built on this. Like I call it the spider web,
and I now have a spider web that I've created
with the doctor and the patient in the middle. And
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it's the system from like academics to how the academic institutions,
how advertising and marketing, the FDA, who are they working for?
It's basically the system, and you know, the spider web,
and it really keeps people trapped. But if you don't know,
you know, like spider webs, you walk right into them.
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You don't know that you're even part of it. But
once you start digging in, you see the marketing. And
I always find this interesting and I always love working
with attorneys, and that's probably why I have a lot
of respect for somebody like Kennedy is because he's an attorney.
He's been inside these company files. He knows how they work,
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he knows the game. And it's not just Big Pharma,
it's Big Fluid, it's Big m it's all of the industry.
But they use the same playbook. And it's interesting because
when you work with these attorneys, you find out one
of the first places that they go looking for documents
is in the marketing department. And so my whole background,
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you know, like you said, I didn't choose to do
this work, and I've never This isn't how I make
my living. I make my living. I'm in advertising and marketing.
I'm still in the in the profession. So when I
see it and I'm like, whoa, my business what I
do every day? Marketing is a huge part of the problem.
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Even just starting out with advertising, most people don't realize
that the US is one of only two countries in
the world that allow drug ads on TV. Then you're like, oh, wait,
what about all the advertising that happens to doctors and
the way that they're being sold. Then you start learning
about like, oh, marketing key opinion leaders, which is basically
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paying the doctors. Again, this was another concept I learned
out of my lawsuit because Pfizer had all of the
journal publications already planned. They knew when this article was
going to run about solof being good for social anxiety disorder,
and they already knew what day when it was going
to run. But they but it said author TVD and
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I was like, what does that mean? Well, only to
find out that they needed to put a doctor on there.
But they already had it written and they knew when
it was running, but they had to put somebody in.
Those are called key opinion leaders or even ghostwriting. So
you start seeing it and you're like, oh, this is
all marketing, and so you know once once you've seen that,
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then you start seeing patterns, and you know when COVID
came along. I do not have children. I know there's
a lot of other people that do vaccine advocacy. I've
never done that. But when the whole idea of the
COVID JAB came and I was like, wait, you're giving
these companies like Pfizer complete legal immunity. Wait, these are
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the same companies that have paid more fines and most
of the findes that have come from that they paid
in big litigation was from in marketing, off label marketing
and a lot of it in marketing keeping the side
effects from the public. And I was like, well, that
seems like a really bad idea because even if they
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knew about it in the clinical trials, which by the way,
they do know about a lot of these side effects,
but it's when millions of people start taking them. And
that's why when the marketing or the hope that you're selling,
the hope of this solution, that's when you start seeing
some of these side effects emerge. And so the fact
that you know, so that was like one of the
big kind of like flags for me was just the
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fact that you start seeing patterns and once you see
a pattern, you know you and I always say, once
you've seen, you can unsee. And so it's the perspective
that now I look at everything that I see that
comes out and especially you know, even looking at ozempic
and all the marketing for weight watching, you know, the
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weight and overweight and then you follow the business side
of things and what are the two uh Like JP
Morgan just had their annual and I always tell people
go look and see what Wall Street's talking about. Go
look at these conferences. Well, JP Morgan has their big
healthcare conference every January. And what are the two big
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areas that they're looking at, obesity and Alzheimer's And what
are we seeing all of the new drugs treatment.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's the discussion of our next and last segment. Kim
Witsex is our guest. We'll continue our conversation with.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Her Michael Berry Change and Witsas is our guest.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
She after her husband hanged himself and only thirty seven
years old. He was taking Zoloft for insomnia, and she
started digging in. She started talking to people, and she
started finding very, very troubling things. And she did not
simply go away. She dug in, She learned, she engaged,
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she read, and she has come to be an expert
on the matter. She speaks at length on.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
The concept of selling sickness, and folks, I want you
to understand, if you're.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
A medical professional or just a person who thinks I'm
a whack job conspiracy theorist, I don't. I have a
doctor for every part of my body. I have them
on speed dial. I love and adore them, I consider
them family members, I respect them, but I also disagree
with them on occasion, and I question everything I had
a doctor years ago.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It's not my doctor any longer.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I asked him about I was having a little trouble sleeping,
and I said, you know, is there something you would
suggest I do?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Foods I should eat?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And he wrote me a script and sent me on
my way, and I went up to the front and
got it, and she said, I'll call it in for you.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And I said, well, I can't read what it is.
And it was Prozac. Is that the anxiety drug? Is
it Prozac? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And so I said, whoa, I don't feel that. I
don't want to be on an anxiety drug. And you know,
I talked to him later and he said, well, I
was trying to do you a favor. Most people want
a prescription because they have anxiety, and I said, I
don't have anxiety per se.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'm wound tight.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I could drink less coffee, I could focus on my
career more, I could work out more. I could get
more sleep. But I do not want a pill to
solve my problem. I want and I learned breathing exercises,
turn off the phone earlier, eat earlier, exercise.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
More means you sleep more.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I started taking natural solutions, finding natural solutions to make
myself happier so that I'm built for longevity. That doctor
wasn't evil. He was doing what doctors have grown to do,
and that is you walk in and tell them what
your problem is. They send you to a prescription to
solve it. But that often causes others and that's very disturbing.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Anyway. Kim Whitsacks is our guests.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
If you'd like to learn more about her, her website
is Kimwhitsas dot com, which is.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Wi cz Ak. We were talking about.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
You said, look at where the money's going, Look at
JP Morgan what they're looking at. Obesity and Alzheimer's. Those
are the two big issues where you can make the
most money going forward. And what did you find from
your studies?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Oh? Well, it was fascinating because you go look at
what's happening right now with ozepic, right or any of
the what are some you you know, all of the
yes and so like. Now you've got businesses popping up
all over. But I've heard from again going to the
lawyers that they're talent. They're being told by the insurance
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companies to put set aside like half a billion dollars
every quarter for potential lawsuits that are going to be coming.
So of course they know lawsuits are going to come,
but why not make you know, it seems that the
strategy is, let's make hay while the sunshines, right, But
then there will be people who will be hurt and
they'll come after the fact and learn like I didn't
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and then they wonder why didn't I ever question or
push back? And so same with like all looking at
the alzheimer drugs that are that have come out that
have a controversy and have already been removed, like there
was one that has already been removed and they're using
they're all using so looking at breakthrough, they're using fast
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tracking mechanisms, which is what we saw with the COVID jabs,
right they're using and which this has been going on
for a while, and this was some you know, this
was back during like twenty first century Cures Act, which
is like during Obama days. So it's like going back
and really kind of paying attention to what's happening in
Congress because it's all kind of flowing through this entire system.
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But you start looking and that allowed because you know, like, oh,
there's so much pressure we need, we need better drugs
for people, faster innovation, like using all those words that
are buzzwords, right, and they're motivators to like fast track.
And so you're getting a lot of these alzheimer drugs. Well,
then I still say we got to take a step
(30:56):
back or I always go you know, like you know
that whole thing with like who's throwing the baby and
the you know, we're pulling babies out of the river
down and we're like, wait, we got to go upstream.
Who's throwing the babies in the river? Right? So I
want to say we got to go upstream and wonder
even why we're even in this place where now we
have downstream problems Alzheimer's and obesity. You know where's that
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coming from? We need to go upstream and start looking
at what is causing it. But again I come back
to you know, this concept of healthcare is big business
and we are customers. There's a cradle to grave strategy
that keeps us constantly meeting medications. And so this is
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where I challenge people like, you know, people do whatever
they want, but you know, giving your powerway to a doctor,
to a to a pen, to a quick fit, you know,
like the pen and paper that'll give you your script
to the quick fixed pill. You know, we need to actually,
you know, we have to take our sovereignty back, and
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not because I think there are a lot of amazing
doctors out there that you know, are just doing you know,
thinking they're doing their job because people want, you know, help.
But you know, I think it's okay to challenge, and
I tell people all the time to challenge and just
because they have an MV behind their name that we
there's no one who will care more about our health
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and our loved one's health, then we will care. And
you know you were telling that story about how you
got a quick script. And I remember after wood he died,
I went to my doctor and she said do you
think you do you think you need anything? And I
looked at her, I go, well, I think this is
what killed my husband. And then I go, but more importantly,
shouldn't I hurt like my husband died? And she looked
(32:45):
at me and she said, yes, but you don't need
to and I was like, yeah, I do need to.
This is how you heal, you have to go through.
But she was going to quickly give me an antidepressant
to help me, like numb and sure there are times
and places for meds. And I'm not anti med, I'm
just pro information, pro transparency. Give us the truth, like,
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tell us the truth like we are not we can handle.
We can handle like if there's a potential for warning,
we can We can handle the truth, But we can't
handle if we don't know what is potentially an issue. Right,
So again I go back to its big business, and
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there will be no one that will care more about
our health than you and I ourselves.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I think that's a perfect way to conclude a very
wonderful hour long discussion about issues. And folks, KIM can't
solve your problems, and I can't solve your problems, and
doctors can't solve your problems, and pharmaceutical companies can't solve
your problems. These are things you have to invest time
in to learn, to read, to make the best judgments
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for you, because there is no one size fits off.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I respect your advocacy.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You took an unfortunate circumstance of lemons and made lemonade
out of it, and I think you're genuinely focused on
trying to help other people through your work, and I
admire you for that.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Kimwitsas dot com.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Thanks for being our guest and thanks for what you've done.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Oh, thank you so much.
The presidential candidacy of Robert F.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Kennedy Junior did not leap to the forefront of political
news because the Democrats kept him off of the ballot
most days.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
He had to fight like hell to get back.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
On the ballot, and now they won't take him off
even though he has endorsed President Trump. One of the
areas in probably the primary area where I think he
has made a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And I don't agree with Robert F.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Kennedy Junior on every issue, I want to be clear
on that, but he has been a person who has
brought our attention to what goes in our foods, what
we're feeding our children, what we're putting into our bodies,
and what we're calling quote unquote medicine. You know, when
you go to the doctor. My mother desperately wanted me
(00:47):
to be a doctor because she had such respect and
admiration for doctors. She was a nurse's aide when we
were little, to help pay the bills, and we had
the physician's desk reference and that was everything that was before.
That was before the med MD or whatever, where you
could go in there and find all the things you
were going to die of. But doctors were healers. They
were trusted. There are a cross between a scientist and
(01:10):
your pastor. And there was such respect for the doctor
and the medical establishment and vaccines and pharmaceuticals and all
these scenes were gonna help us live longer and be happier.
And somewhere along the way it all went wrong, and
that misplaced trust is a legacy, sadly of a time
(01:32):
that is long gone, or maybe maybe never really existed.
We came across the name of Kim Whitsas and she
has a funny spelling. It's polish. For those of you
who are polished, you're like, not funny it all. I
know exactly how spelling. She sued viser and she is
the reason we have black box suicide warnings on SSRIs.
She's become a drug safety advocate and this is her passion.
(01:56):
And I'll tell you, hell hath no fury like a
woman's gooring. Hell hath twice the fury as a woman
on a mission. And she is a woman on a mission.
Honored to have you, Kim Whitsacks, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh thanks for having me. Thank you so much. And
I like your introduction when you talk about the trust
because I think, you know, that is a very common
and I still think there's that's a pretty common attitude today.
Maybe a little bit different than you know the last
couple of years. But yeah, you know, I'm glad, I'm
glad you're having this conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Let's go to the toughest thing we're going to have
to talk about today. On August six, two thousand and three,
my world came crashing down on me. Can you tell
what happened and what spurred you to commit your life
to this?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Sure? I like to call myself the accidental advocate because
I never set out to do the work, the drug
safety work that I do today, but sometimes our greatest
purposes choose us. On August sixth, two thousand and three,
over twenty one years ago, I was out of town
on business and I got a call from my dad
because I hadn't heard from my husband all day. And
I'd say, hey, Dad, do me a favorite go over
(03:06):
and chuck and see if my if what he was,
you know, because he had just started a new job
and was having trouble sleeping. So my dad goes over
to my house and I get a call. I'm still
on set shooting at like eight o'clock at night in Detroit,
and it was my dad and the phone call it's bad,
it's bad. I'm like, what do you mean it's bead
(03:27):
like what he's dead. I'm like, what do you mean
what he's dead? He's like, I go, how do you
know he's done? He's like, he's hanging, and literally, in
one like second, my entire world, everything that I had planned,
everything that I knew, came crashing, crashing down, and literally
those words to this day, twenty one years later, still
(03:49):
you know, ring in my head because I still can't
believe it. And I've been doing this work for twenty
one years, but you know, everything intuitively in my body
when my dad's like he's dead and hanging and I'm
like what. He wasn't depressed. He had no history of
depression or anything else. He had just started his dream
job with a startup company five weeks or earlier in
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the year, but five weeks earlier he went to the
doctor because he was having trouble sleeping. So he was
one of those guys that you were just talking about,
like your mother, who blindly trusted the doctors, right. His
doctor would was a big athlete. They put him together,
you know, after he got injured playing sports. You know,
he got stitches, they stitched them up, you know, fixed
his knees. He didn't think that they got paid enough
(04:32):
because they got him back up and running and playing
on the basketball court, et cetera. So he went to
his GP, you know, about five weeks earlier, and was
telling him how he was having trouble sleeping, and his doctor,
who he trusted, gave him a three week sample pack
of an antidepressant, Zoloft, and said that it would take
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the edge off and help him sleep. And I happened
to be it was my busy time of my work,
and I happened to be out of the country the
first three weeks. What he was put on those drugs,
and the drug that he came home with the sample
pack automatically doubled the dose after week one. And so
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that's really kind of the precipitus of this what he
had no history. But literally, when I got that call,
I'm like, there's no Everything in my body was like,
there's no way that what he was hanging like, it
just didn't even make it didn't even compute with my body.
But literally that night when my life fell apart. The
corner called and asked me a question and asked if
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what he was taking any medication. The only thing he
was taking was Zoloft, and she said, we're going to
take it with us. It might have something to do
with his death. That was clue number one. Clue number
two was, ironically, the same day what he was found,
the front page of our Minneapolis Star Tribune had an
article that said the UK finds link between antidepressants and
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suicide in teens. And that literally happened the same night
that my husband's death. That made no sense happened. So
you know, that became really the start of it. As
I'm trying to get back from Detroit where I was,
back to Minneapolis, my brother in law goes home and
googles Zoloft and suicide. And we had no idea that
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the FDA held hearings in nineteen ninety one when it
was only Prozac on the market, and at that time,
every one of the Advisory board members took money from
pharmaceutical makers make an antidepressants, and they said, nope, we
don't see any link between violence and suicide with prozac.
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So the FDA said told Eli Lilly Let's study suicidality.
Of course, they never did or never never got brought
to the forefront. And meanwhile, the FDA approved additional antidepressants
from Pfizer being Zoloft and Paxel from glaxvill Smith Klein
and approved it for children. And so that was Woody
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was two thousand and three. This was in nineteen ninety one.
So almost immediately this became our mission because Woody loved life,
and there was no way that this was going to
be the legacy that was going to be, you know,
for him. He loved you know, we were just starting
to try to have kids and and everything. So this
(07:30):
became our mission, my brother in law and I's mission,
and started almost immediately going out to DC and we
call it the Battle for Woody, and it became, you know,
meeting with everybody from the FDA, Congress, anybody who would
listen to tell our story, and then ultimately had a
lawsuit which was part of it, and got documents out
(07:51):
from under seal. But it's a pretty tragic story and
it's one that still is going on, you know, twenty
one years later, and it's become just part of who
I am today because we didn't know. We blindly trusted,
and if I could do anything to help another family
not have to discover what we discovered after the fact,
(08:14):
I will do that the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Hold right there. Kim Witsex is our guest. If you
want to find her, it's online. It's Kim Whitsex dot com.
And I'll spell it for you. Kay, I am obviously
w I t czak, w I t czak more.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
With Earth coming up?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Remember me?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Okay, remember Scott make Kim Witsex is our guest. A
quote attributed to her sickness used to happen to you.
Now we live in a world where it is being
sold to us. It sounds very reminiscent of what Robert F.
(08:58):
Kennedy Junior has said over the last few years, and
that is, there's nothing more profitable than a sick child.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Kim.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
We talked about the impetus for this activism on your part.
I'm guessing it doesn't pay well, if at all. But
you know, there is something about a ministry as zeal
a person has when they see wrong and they have
to write it. Do you see any hope in your
twenty one years of advocacy, are we seeing I want
(09:30):
to go deeper into what you have to say, But
is there any light at the end of the tunnelies,
are you collecting any winds along the way.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Sure, you know it's been a long journey, but you
know some of the winds along the way where the
fact that we did get the warnings added to antidepressants
in two thousand and four, in two thousand and six,
but to this day there are no there are no
warnings that exist for all ages. And the reality is
with antidepressants, the risk of side violence, all of any
(10:01):
of those kind of neuropsychiatric side effects happened at all ages,
so everybody should be worn. So there's you know, that
was a light. I think the fact that I got
appointed and was you know, I sit on the FDA
Advisory Committee, the same one that in nineteen ninety one
didn't do their job. I sit on that committee today
(10:23):
and I'm off in the loan vote, but at least
I'm there, you know, So these are some small wins.
And then I would also say, you know, I feel
like I've been banging my head for a long time
on these issues as well as you know, I thought
it was truly when when it first happened. I mean,
I was kind of one of those people that blindly
trusted to to be honest, and I thought it was
(10:44):
just an issue with antidepressants, but I realized, oh no, no, no,
this is a systemic problem with our whole drug safety system.
It is you know, health as I always say, healthcare
is of business and they need patients to go to,
you know, as custom And so I do think the
last couple of years of you know, with what happened
(11:06):
with COVID and the rushed the you know quote unquote
vaccine uh that I think we've now opened. I think
that was the light that kind of spotlighted what's been
going on for and for people like Kennedy, people like
myself who've been in this, the lawyers, other advocates and
(11:27):
that have been advocating for the ugly side of medicine,
the harms. This has been going on for a long time.
But I think there's all these new people that have
come into the system and are now seeing like whoa
even like I love when I hear doctors that have
like are starting to learn wait, I didn't even know
what I didn't know. And I think that to me
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is a bright spot that we have to continue to
shine the light and and bring more people into the fold,
because ultimately, at the end of the day, you know,
you know, keeping people sick is a great business strategy.
It's an awful strategy for living well, into you and
aging well.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You know, it's a they call it planned obsolescence in
the consumer product market, the idea that we could make
a tire that would last a million miles, one hundred years,
whatever the period of time is. But where's the profit
in that? It's much better to treat the symptoms than
(12:31):
to heal the patient, because when you heal the patient,
you don't keep him on a monthly subscription. Once you
understand how often that is the case. And I want
to be very clear, there are a number of doctors
and medical professionals listening to our show, and I don't
want you to think that we think that every one
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of you is evil. In fact, very few are. But
it's enough to make a difference, and the business side
of this doesn't have to be terrible. I want people
to make money. I want them to make money. I
want their patents protected, I want them to engage in
research and development. I want them seeking cures to things.
But I cannot pretend any longer that we live in
(13:13):
a world where it's not the case that people are
being allowed to suffer and die when there are cures.
People are being injected with what's being called a vaccine
that is not a vaccine. They're getting boosters. I don't
know what number they're on. Now we find out that
eleven thousand governmental officials were exempted from it.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It's nonsense. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And if you love humanity and you love your neighbor,
you have to be willing to study and enter into
some very difficult conversations. And that's what I hope we're
talking about today. That's what I hope you'll be willing
to be open minded about. I read of you, Kim Witsex.
My drug safety FDA reform advocacy was born out of
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nothing but a deep knowing that something didn't make sense
about what he's done. And if you're new to the show,
that's her late husband who hanged himself. So I started
to dig into the one only thing that changed my
husband's life, being prescribed zoloft. This journey for the truth
took me to the FDA, HHS, Congress of Courts and
the media. What I learned shocked me. Someone had to
(14:17):
do something, So why not me talk a little more
about what you learned about the pharmaceutical industry side effects,
because I know somebody who took his own life, who
was on an antidepressant it precededoloft, and you never get
that person back.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The pain never heals.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah. Absolutely, well, I have to say I was pretty shocked,
you know, just even I will go back to just
knowing that in nineteen ninety one there were hearings at
the FDA, like how come I we didn't know? I mean, granted,
in nineteen ninety one, I was like, just so you
know in college, like that was the furthest thing from me.
I had no history of any of these medications. But
(14:58):
you know, the biggest thing, and I think what was
really potent in helping get and push for the black
Black suicide warnings as well as there were big congressional
hearings that were happening at that time too, to do
with all of the moneies that were flowing between the companies,
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academic institutions, the FDA and the and the companies, and
so that was happening at the same time. But really
what was potent was the drug company and FDA internal
documents that the judge in My Wrongful Death Failure to
(15:40):
Warned lawsuit released that showed that the FDA advisor black
Closmith's client, they've known about the risk of suicide and
violence as well as the lack of efficacy from the
early days. Like when you see it in black and
white on their letterhead. It's not about you know, what
are being gone and meeting all these other families that
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had very similar examples, you know, similar situations. It's when
you see that on letterhead and you're like somebody new
and you know, people like Woody and countless and thousands
of others and probably hundreds of thousands of others were
considered the cost of doing business collateral damage because you know,
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they'll always be risk with medicine. So they just kind
of factored in almost like an actuarial you know, it's
a business decision, but you know what for for somebody
like me and our family, like those were that was
somebody's husband, that was somebody's son, that was somebody's uncle,
that was somebody's friend, that's somebody's kid, and so those
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you know, once you put it in that kind of frame.
You have to do something, and I'm all about making money,
but doing it the right way. And when you know,
and this is what I'll never understand, even back then,
when they'll be like, oh, well, these drugs just make you.
They make you feel better, so you're going to to
you know, act on your impulses, I'm like, well that
should have been number one warning. You should have done
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that from the beginning. But again when you look at
the documents where you know, like one of them was
just this that I didn't realize that. In Germany, prozac
was never approved initially for two reasons, risk of suicide
lack of efficacy. Eventually it did get approved, but it
had to be prescribed with a sedative, and that is
(17:28):
to to offset this like akathesia, which is this side effect,
which is what they kept from GPS and Fizer actually
talked about it as if a patient or somebody gets
this side effect to akathesia, which is like what Wood
he told me three weeks after he started taking the drug,
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where he was standing outside his head looking a body
looking in and I had no idea what was happenings.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Any more to talk about Kim Whitsack is with Kim
Whitzack is our guest. Will continue our conversation with her.
Her comment that sickness used to happen to you. Now
we live in a world where it is being sold
to us.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I don't care if somebody disrespects you. You can't shoot Michael.
It's been refolk. Kim Whitsacks is our guest.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's an odd spelling, but if you can figure it out,
you can find her online.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You can connect with her.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You can learn a lot more about her passion and
zeal and activism for the health of her fellow man,
for information and transparency.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I understand there.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Are side effects to every drug. I understand that there
can be a downside to a drug that can heal
a lot of people. But consumers, patients, Americans should know
what those things are. They shouldn't be hidden from you.
You shouldn't be lied to. Kim Whitsacks is spelled Kim
obviously Wi t cza. Let's spell that again, Wi t
(19:02):
cz ak kimwhitsas dot com. Kim, you were finishing talking
about what his death. That's her late husband. He hanged himself.
He was on zoloft that set her off on a
over two decade long journey of activism and we're the
better for it.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
But I think I had to interrupt you in the middle.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Oh sure. So I was talking about the side effect akathusia,
and one of the documents that we got out from
the lawsuits that was written by Pfizer's chief medical officer.
It's a journal article that it talked about if patients
get the side effect akathesia, it's quote unquote death can
be a welcome result. So that was public, But what
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was in public was the fact that he wrote a
memo to his sales field staff saying that the attached
journal article is not suitable for general practitioners, but maybe
of inter neurologically inclined by psychology or psychiatrists. Well, the
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bulk of these drugs were written by GPS, so they
intentionally kept that from GPS. And so once you started
digging in, and I would, because I love traveling, and
I would go to all these conferences around the world
with my lawyers, and I would go to the one
that had a huge profiund impact on me. That also
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was what I ended up bringing the conference here to
the States. It was called Selling Sickness and it was
put on by the Dutch government, attended by people from
all over the European, EU, Australia, all over. There's a
handful of us from the US and they were mostly
attorneys and activists and myself, and every example that they
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were using of selling sickness was from the US. And
I remember thinking, why isn't this conversation happening in the US.
And then I started realizing, oh, wait, our whole system
is built on this. Like I call it the spider web,
and I now have a spider web that I've created
with the doctor and the patient in the middle. And
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it's the system from like academics to how the academic institutions,
how advertising and marketing, the FDA, who are they working for?
It's basically the system, and you know, the spider web,
and it really keeps people trapped. But if you don't know,
you know, like spider webs, you walk right into them.
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You don't know that you're even part of it. But
once you start digging in, you see the marketing. And
I always find this interesting and I always love working
with attorneys, and that's probably why I have a lot
of respect for somebody like Kennedy is because he's an attorney.
He's been inside these company files. He knows how they work,
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he knows the game. And it's not just Big Pharma,
it's Big Fluid, it's Big m it's all of the industry.
But they use the same playbook. And it's interesting because
when you work with these attorneys, you find out one
of the first places that they go looking for documents
is in the marketing department. And so my whole background,
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you know, like you said, I didn't choose to do
this work, and I've never This isn't how I make
my living. I make my living. I'm in advertising and marketing.
I'm still in the in the profession. So when I
see it and I'm like, whoa, my business what I
do every day? Marketing is a huge part of the problem.
(22:33):
Even just starting out with advertising, most people don't realize
that the US is one of only two countries in
the world that allow drug ads on TV. Then you're like, oh, wait,
what about all the advertising that happens to doctors and
the way that they're being sold. Then you start learning
about like, oh, marketing key opinion leaders, which is basically
(22:57):
paying the doctors. Again, this was another concept I learned
out of my lawsuit because Pfizer had all of the
journal publications already planned. They knew when this article was
going to run about solof being good for social anxiety disorder,
and they already knew what day when it was going
to run. But they but it said author TVD and
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I was like, what does that mean? Well, only to
find out that they needed to put a doctor on there.
But they already had it written and they knew when
it was running, but they had to put somebody in.
Those are called key opinion leaders or even ghostwriting. So
you start seeing it and you're like, oh, this is
all marketing, and so you know once once you've seen that,
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then you start seeing patterns, and you know when COVID
came along. I do not have children. I know there's
a lot of other people that do vaccine advocacy. I've
never done that. But when the whole idea of the
COVID JAB came and I was like, wait, you're giving
these companies like Pfizer complete legal immunity. Wait, these are
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the same companies that have paid more fines and most
of the findes that have come from that they paid
in big litigation was from in marketing, off label marketing
and a lot of it in marketing keeping the side
effects from the public. And I was like, well, that
seems like a really bad idea because even if they
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knew about it in the clinical trials, which by the way,
they do know about a lot of these side effects,
but it's when millions of people start taking them. And
that's why when the marketing or the hope that you're selling,
the hope of this solution, that's when you start seeing
some of these side effects emerge. And so the fact
that you know, so that was like one of the
big kind of like flags for me was just the
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fact that you start seeing patterns and once you see
a pattern, you know you and I always say, once
you've seen, you can unsee. And so it's the perspective
that now I look at everything that I see that
comes out and especially you know, even looking at ozempic
and all the marketing for weight watching, you know, the
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weight and overweight and then you follow the business side
of things and what are the two uh Like JP
Morgan just had their annual and I always tell people
go look and see what Wall Street's talking about. Go
look at these conferences. Well, JP Morgan has their big
healthcare conference every January. And what are the two big
(25:35):
areas that they're looking at, obesity and Alzheimer's And what
are we seeing all of the new drugs treatment.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's the discussion of our next and last segment. Kim
Witsex is our guest. We'll continue our conversation with.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Her Michael Berry Change and Witsas is our guest.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
She after her husband hanged himself and only thirty seven
years old. He was taking Zoloft for insomnia, and she
started digging in. She started talking to people, and she
started finding very, very troubling things. And she did not
simply go away. She dug in, She learned, she engaged,
(26:28):
she read, and she has come to be an expert
on the matter. She speaks at length on.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
The concept of selling sickness, and folks, I want you
to understand, if you're.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
A medical professional or just a person who thinks I'm
a whack job conspiracy theorist, I don't. I have a
doctor for every part of my body. I have them
on speed dial. I love and adore them, I consider
them family members, I respect them, but I also disagree
with them on occasion, and I question everything I had
a doctor years ago.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It's not my doctor any longer.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I asked him about I was having a little trouble sleeping,
and I said, you know, is there something you would
suggest I do?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Foods I should eat?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And he wrote me a script and sent me on
my way, and I went up to the front and
got it, and she said, I'll call it in for you.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And I said, well, I can't read what it is.
And it was Prozac. Is that the anxiety drug? Is
it Prozac? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And so I said, whoa, I don't feel that. I
don't want to be on an anxiety drug. And you know,
I talked to him later and he said, well, I
was trying to do you a favor. Most people want
a prescription because they have anxiety, and I said, I
don't have anxiety per se.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'm wound tight.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I could drink less coffee, I could focus on my
career more, I could work out more. I could get
more sleep. But I do not want a pill to
solve my problem. I want and I learned breathing exercises,
turn off the phone earlier, eat earlier, exercise.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
More means you sleep more.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I started taking natural solutions, finding natural solutions to make
myself happier so that I'm built for longevity. That doctor
wasn't evil. He was doing what doctors have grown to do,
and that is you walk in and tell them what
your problem is. They send you to a prescription to
solve it. But that often causes others and that's very disturbing.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Anyway. Kim Whitsacks is our guests.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
If you'd like to learn more about her, her website
is Kimwhitsas dot com, which is.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Wi cz Ak. We were talking about.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
You said, look at where the money's going, Look at
JP Morgan what they're looking at. Obesity and Alzheimer's. Those
are the two big issues where you can make the
most money going forward. And what did you find from
your studies?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Oh? Well, it was fascinating because you go look at
what's happening right now with ozepic, right or any of
the what are some you you know, all of the
yes and so like. Now you've got businesses popping up
all over. But I've heard from again going to the
lawyers that they're talent. They're being told by the insurance
(29:27):
companies to put set aside like half a billion dollars
every quarter for potential lawsuits that are going to be coming.
So of course they know lawsuits are going to come,
but why not make you know, it seems that the
strategy is, let's make hay while the sunshines, right, But
then there will be people who will be hurt and
they'll come after the fact and learn like I didn't
(29:49):
and then they wonder why didn't I ever question or
push back? And so same with like all looking at
the alzheimer drugs that are that have come out that
have a controversy and have already been removed, like there
was one that has already been removed and they're using
they're all using so looking at breakthrough, they're using fast
(30:09):
tracking mechanisms, which is what we saw with the COVID jabs,
right they're using and which this has been going on
for a while, and this was some you know, this
was back during like twenty first century Cures Act, which
is like during Obama days. So it's like going back
and really kind of paying attention to what's happening in
Congress because it's all kind of flowing through this entire system.
(30:34):
But you start looking and that allowed because you know, like, oh,
there's so much pressure we need, we need better drugs
for people, faster innovation, like using all those words that
are buzzwords, right, and they're motivators to like fast track.
And so you're getting a lot of these alzheimer drugs. Well,
then I still say we got to take a step
(30:56):
back or I always go you know, like you know
that whole thing with like who's throwing the baby and
the you know, we're pulling babies out of the river
down and we're like, wait, we got to go upstream.
Who's throwing the babies in the river? Right? So I
want to say we got to go upstream and wonder
even why we're even in this place where now we
have downstream problems Alzheimer's and obesity. You know where's that
(31:20):
coming from? We need to go upstream and start looking
at what is causing it. But again I come back
to you know, this concept of healthcare is big business
and we are customers. There's a cradle to grave strategy
that keeps us constantly meeting medications. And so this is
(31:42):
where I challenge people like, you know, people do whatever
they want, but you know, giving your powerway to a doctor,
to a to a pen, to a quick fit, you know,
like the pen and paper that'll give you your script
to the quick fixed pill. You know, we need to actually,
you know, we have to take our sovereignty back, and
(32:02):
not because I think there are a lot of amazing
doctors out there that you know, are just doing you know,
thinking they're doing their job because people want, you know, help.
But you know, I think it's okay to challenge, and
I tell people all the time to challenge and just
because they have an MV behind their name that we
there's no one who will care more about our health
(32:24):
and our loved one's health, then we will care. And
you know you were telling that story about how you
got a quick script. And I remember after wood he died,
I went to my doctor and she said do you
think you do you think you need anything? And I
looked at her, I go, well, I think this is
what killed my husband. And then I go, but more importantly,
shouldn't I hurt like my husband died? And she looked
(32:45):
at me and she said, yes, but you don't need
to and I was like, yeah, I do need to.
This is how you heal, you have to go through.
But she was going to quickly give me an antidepressant
to help me, like numb and sure there are times
and places for meds. And I'm not anti med, I'm
just pro information, pro transparency. Give us the truth, like,
(33:09):
tell us the truth like we are not we can handle.
We can handle like if there's a potential for warning,
we can We can handle the truth, But we can't
handle if we don't know what is potentially an issue. Right,
So again I go back to its big business, and
(33:30):
there will be no one that will care more about
our health than you and I ourselves.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I think that's a perfect way to conclude a very
wonderful hour long discussion about issues. And folks, KIM can't
solve your problems, and I can't solve your problems, and
doctors can't solve your problems, and pharmaceutical companies can't solve
your problems. These are things you have to invest time
in to learn, to read, to make the best judgments
(33:59):
for you, because there is no one size fits off.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I respect your advocacy.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You took an unfortunate circumstance of lemons and made lemonade
out of it, and I think you're genuinely focused on
trying to help other people through your work, and I
admire you for that.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Kimwitsas dot com.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Thanks for being our guest and thanks for what you've done.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Oh, thank you so much.
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