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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael darry Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Fifty former national intelligence folks who said that what this
he's accusing me of is a Russian plant. They have
said that this has all the care. Four five former
heads of the CIA, both parties say what he's saying
is a bunch of garbage.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
They displayed naked photos of me during an.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oversight here, and they have taken the light of my
dad's love for me.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
The monster's gone, is on and your dad is here
and presented it as darkness. They have no shame.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I'm extremely proud of my son Hunter. He has overcome
an addiction. He is He's one of the brightest, most
decent men I know. And I am satisfied that I'm
not gonna do anything I said. I said, I ad
buy by the jury decision.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
I will do that, and I will not pardon you.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The President would not pardon or community sens for his
son Hunter.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I want to make sure that that is not going
to change for Old for the next six months.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
The President's say it's.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Still a no, it's still an it's still a no.
It will be a no. It is a no, and
I don't have anything else to add. Will he pardon his.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
Son No, CNN has learned President Biden will pardon his
son Hunter.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Biden.
Speaker 8 (01:53):
Let me be the first one to congratulate the President
for deciding to do.
Speaker 9 (02:02):
I hope that President Biden will also issue preemptive pardons
to all of those people threatened by the unjustice of
what will become the Department of Justice in the Trump administration.
That of course includes Jack Smith and all of his staff,
many Department of Justice lawyers. It includes President Biden himself.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Hunter.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Well, you knew he would, and now he has. Joe
Biden has pardoned his son Hunter for eleven years worth
of crimes, which raises a number of questions that we
will do our best to address, and of course we'll
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take your calls. In a bit. One programming note, I
have a terrible upper respiratory infection, which is of zero
consequence to the show. I only share that because if
you note a slight change in my voice, and I'm
going to do the absolute best I can to keep
you from hearing me cough constantly. But if for some
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reason I trail off in the middle of a sentence
and Ramon hits the music. Should we just do Beautiful
Boy as our Hunter tribute throughout You'll know that I
really don't want y'all to be subjected to what my
poor wife and kids have had to hear for a week, which.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Is me coffee.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
I have the best medical care. Doctor Mary Tally Boden
was out herself this past week, and so my wife
on Saturday said, Hey, why don't you go see Mary
Tally on Monday or sooner if possible, And so she
came in over the weekend yesterday, and so I am
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on the proper meds. I am nebulizing and steroidizing and
coffee dropping and everything cough dropping and everything else that
can be done. So I just wanted to say that
I apologize. I know it's unpleasant, but there we go.
So we start with what a presidential pardon is. This
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is the single biggest presidential pardon and since the Nixon pardon,
and probably the two biggest in American history. I went
searching to see because I could not think of a
pardon on a grander scale, a more egregious pardon than
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this one, and the only one that most every legal
scholar out there who has been in the first round
of responders can compare it to was when then President
Richard Nixon stepped down to be replaced by Gerald Ford, who,
of course, as you know, Ford was not elected as
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the Vice president. Spiralty Agnew, the governor of Maryland, had
a number of problems and with regard to selling timber
interests on the East Coast and taking bribes, Agnew stepped down.
Gerald Ford replaced him, coming from the House, and then
as Vice President, Jerald Ford would ascend to the presidency.
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And it was a quid pro quote deal that he
would pardon Richard Nixon with the idea of supposedly healing
the nation. There has not been in the fifty years. Hence,
a pardon on this scale, a pardon to raise the
hackles to this extent. And some will say, and I'm
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not a fan of the pardon power, some will say
that we should do away with it. A bigger issue
than you might imagine. Article one of our Constitution lays
out the legislative body considered to be the more important
of the three bodies of our government, that being the
law writers the Legislative Congress. Article two the law enforcers,
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that is, those who execute the laws. That's the executive branch,
which is the president. And this has been where the
problem has happened, the large bureaucracy that has grown up
into becoming what has been called an imperial presidency. And then,
of course Article three the judiciary which adjudicates those very laws.
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Article two, Section two, Clause one reads quote, the President
shall be Commander in chief of the Army and Navy
of the United States. We didn't have marines at that time,
or an air force, and of the militia of the
several States. When called into the actual service of the
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United States, he may require the opinion in writing of
the Principal Officer in each of the Executive Departments upon
any subject related to the duties of their respective offices.
And here we are, and he shall have power to
grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States,
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except in cases of impeachment. That doesn't cover this case.
So does Joe Biden have the actual authority to pardon
his son?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Now, what that pardon means, what it covers, that's the
subject of greater conversation. There are a number of questions
that arise out of this. Number one, it's a pardon
covering eleven years going back to twenty fourteen, not coincidentally
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the year that Hunter Biden joined the Barisma board. In
twenty fourteen, Joe Biden was the vice president of the
United States. If Hunter Biden was committing crimes as far
back as twenty fourteen, considering that Biden was the vice
president until January twentieth of twenty seventeen, it's a pretty
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clear admission that the Biden crime family was operating while
they had the full authority of the United States government
out of the Vice President's office. And then there arises
the question of why now Joe Biden has some almost
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forty eight days left as president, And then there is well,
there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
To talk about.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
This Tompray.
Speaker 10 (09:12):
That was completely risking out of work to down all
inside and so frustrating, breaking the town, sound personal body,
us outside for.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Against my life.
Speaker 8 (09:36):
Bringing along bringing a law, breaking the law, breaking the law,
breaking the law.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
The Department of Justice as an office of the Pardon Attorney.
Since eighteen ninety three, that office has handled issues of
pardons and clemency. A pardon is a greater reprieve than
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clemency because it restores the lost civil rights after a conviction,
the individual may reclaim those civil rights after a conviction.
Since eighteen ninety three there has been an office of
the Pardon Attorney within the Department of Justice. Of course,
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the power to pardon goes back to the original Constitution.
Executive clemency, which you will often see written about, is
a lesser reprieve, whereas a full pardon, which is what
Hunter Biden has been given, absolves him of those crimes
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for which he was charged and in this case might
be charged. Going back an eleven year period to put
it into perspective, the major the major pardons given throughout history.
See how many of these you remember. We'll get into
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him later. Roger Clinton. On the last day of his presidency,
President Bill Clinton pardoned his brother Roger of a drug conviction,
a cocaine conviction, and Roger would of course then go
on to get a DWI a few months later. He
also pardoned Mark Rich businessman, He pardoned Susan McDougall, and
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he pardoned former Housing secretary from San Anton, Henry Cisnaros.
In nineteen ninety two, President H. W. Bush pardoned six
men implicated in the Iran contra affair, cap Weinberger being
the most notable of those. President Reagan pardoned George Steinbrenner
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for illegal contributions he had made to Nixon's campaign. Richard Nixon,
of course pardoned by Gerald Ford. President Jimmy Carter on October.
In October nineteen seventy eight, pardon Jefferson Davis. A bit later,
we should say, restoring the full citizenship rights of former
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Confederate President Jefferson Davis, signing an act from Congress that
ended a century long dispute. G Gordon Lyddy was pardoned
by Jimmy Carter. Technically, he commuted his sentence from the
Watergate burglary. Jimmy Hoffa was serving a fifteen year sentence
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when when President Nixon pardoned him in December of seventy one,
Teamster's leader Eugene Debs. Nineteen twenty one, President Warren harden
Harding pardoned the Socialist Party leader, who had been sentenced
to ten years in prison for an Anni warspeechs it
violated the Espionage Act. Doctor Samuel Mudd, whose name was Mud,
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was spared from a life sentence in eighteen sixty nine
for treating Lincoln assassin John Wilkes book Booth for an
injured leg, and finally, President James Buchanan pardoned Brigham Young
for his role in the defeat of the University of
Houston Cougars and keeping Colorado out of the playoffs, which
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might have been interesting to see Dion Sanders. Brigham Young
was involved in the Utah War between Mormon fighters and
federal troops in the eighteen fifties and was pardoned by
President Joe Buchanan. There are a number of questions that
are worthy of our conversation. To begin with, why now?
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Why a pardon on December second, when Joe Biden will
be president until January twenty First of all, you typically
make a pardon like this as you're walking out the door.
The reason is there's no bandwidth, there's no oxygen in
the room to criticize the pardon because everyone's focused on
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the new president. So as the president's walking out the door,
nobody really cares much about the ex president. The sitting
president is soon to be former president, So you make
that pardon and only the most hardcore observers of politics
will pay attention to it. That's why some of those
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that happened during your lifetime might have missed your notice
because you were watching for what Rush Limbaugh called the
immaculation of Barack Obama in January of two thousand and nine.
If you make this as you're walking out the door,
you have a number of things distracting from what's going on.
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For Joe Biden to make this step now, to do
this now. They did it on a Sunday, which is
a slower newsday, But this will be the top news
story all day long. It's what people are going to
talk about, and hopefully it will be a thing that
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is talked about for years to come relentlessly.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It will.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
It will burn the image of Democrats as cheaters and
liars into the minds of voters, because they are. But
I think the more important point here is there is
something at play that you do so almost fifty days before.
I will speculate, I don't know this to be true.
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One is that the president is so concerned about his
health that he's not sure he'll make fifty days. I
don't think that's saying too much. If you've seen, if
you've seen the man, and you have, at least in
the little glimpses we get. It's also been widely rumored
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and there is some detail to back this up that
in Las Vegas earlier this year, in the early summer,
which is kind of what led to the last minute
debate and then him stepping down, that he had a
health episode that was very close to being terminal. I
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don't think it's anybody's doubt that he is. He's not
day to day in that he is on hospice, but
he is in extraordinarily poor health. Let's start there. But
it could also be that they expect some sort of
change in the presidency between now and January twentieth. Is
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that him stepping down so that Kamala Harris can be president?
I don't know. That's the rumor. That's what I've always
suspected what happened, they would like to coordinate her the
first woman president. I do know that there is a
great deal of rancor between the Harris campaign and Joe Biden,
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and particularly Joe Biden, but it's also the case that
they may not be totally in charge of what's going
to happen and what doesn't. I find it odd that
this decision is being announced and made formal on December one, yesterday,
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rather than closer to January twentieth. That's simply something to
keep your eye on because it's odd, it's atypical, this
is not how it does how it typically happens. A
number of folks are concerned about Hunter Biden's sex and
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drug use, and I would say that those are not
the crimes that should concern us the most. But I'll
also say those are the crimes that made Hunter Biden
the household name and made people care of all the
things that Bill Clinton did wrong to this country during
his presidency. Having sex with an intern, while an immorality,
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was not what did the most damaged. It is what
brought him down. But let's talk about what Hunter.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Biden did do.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
The intherioist, the butterflies with the Michael Berry, they're all.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Duncans, and you know, duncan means your job.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
In the college football game that I have anticipated the
most in a very long time, University of Texas, Longhorns,
feeding Texas A and m Aggie's. And I would say,
in a rather commanding way, a number of friends said
it wasn't a game. Interesting couldn't disagree with me. I
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thought that it started off extraordinarily strong. I think the
better team won. I don't think either team played phenomenally
well within their skill set capability, but both teams showed up.
Nobody could say that one or the other didn't show up.
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The Aggies were out talented this year, and that's just
a fact. I think that every team other than Georgia
has been out talented that has played the University of Texas,
because this is the best Texas team that I've seen
in going back almost twenty years. This is an extraordinarily,
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extraordinarily good team both sides of the ball, and I
think Sark is an offensive genius. So of course you
have the SEC championship and a rematch for the Longhorns.
And I'll tell you what. Going into a rematch like that,
Folks will tell you that it's not an advantage to
have lost the time before, but it sure does give
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you one heck of a motivation. It's gonna be it's
gonna be very interesting. I mean very interesting. Indeed, the
sad part for me is that an A and M
win would have sent them to the championship, and a
win there would have lent them to the playoffs and
very likely could have landed them in the playoffs anyway.
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So the Aggies are reduced or are removed from the
playoff picture, whereas the University of Texas We're going to
make the playoffs. Either way, I'd, for one like to
see both teams in the playoffs. You don't need to
tell me that because you're an ague you hate the Horns,
or because you're a horn you hate the Aggies. I
got it. That's your thing. Good for you, It's not
my thing. So there we are on that subject. Let's
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get to the very issue of what just happened. It's
important to focus on what just happened, and it's never
what's being reported. Joe Biden didn't really pardon Hunter Biden.
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He really pardoned himself. The language refers to charged in
uncharged crimes. It goes back to May fourteenth, it goes
back to twenty fourteen. Now, what happens in twenty fourteen?
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It was in let me just check, I guess it
begins in April of twenty fourteen that Hunter Biden goes
on the board of Barisma. He'd never been to Ukraine before,
and he was placed on the board of a Ukrainian
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national oil company with absolutely zero experience in oil or
anything energy related. Never having been to Ukraine, what expertise
did he have, what background did he have. There was
nothing that would speak to him being on that board.
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But again that was never about. Yeah, January one, twenty
fourteen to December first, twenty twenty four So if Hunter
goes out tomorrow and commits a crime, it doesn't cover that,
although they would issue another pardon before he walked out
the door. It also does not cover state crimes, although
the crimes that Joe Biden is most worried about are
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federal crimes. In May of twenty fourteen, while Joe Biden
is Vice President, his son joins the Barisma board. Now,
one of the things, one of the red flags at
the time was that Joe Biden was the vice president
and he was in charge of the Obama Biden administration's
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foreign policy in Ukraine, which of course is the only
reason he was placed there. They couldn't give millions of
dollars directly to Joe Biden, so they gave it to
his son. At the time, when criticisms arose the Vice
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President's office, Obama pretended not to know, and the Vice
President's office said that the Vice President was so busy
mourning his son bo the son Bow who he has
claimed died in battle didn't, The son who he has
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used as an excuse to avoid accountability for most everything.
He's also used this son to claim that he's a
gold star father, as if his son died in battle. Again,
these are lies. The media knew it. They should be
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career ending lies, but the media chose not to push
this issue. But it's also important to understand that since
it covers January fourteenth through December January first, twenty fourteen
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through yesterday, it manages to pick up the two years
that Biden was vice president, and you've got Hunter on
the Ukrainian Oil Company board, which is a kickback to Biden.
It also covers the four years of the Trump administration.
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It also covers the four years of the Biden administration. Again,
crimes charged and uncharged. Now they're focusing on the gun crimes.
That's what Biden's folks are. Hey, look, right wing, you
got to understand he got snared in these gun laws.
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You understand you could get snared by these gun laws too.
These gun laws they're just they're too complicated, they're just
they're you know, you know, those my buddies, the gun
control nuts. They you know these gun laws, Which isn't
it interesting that the president, who along with Barack Obama,
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was pursuing the most extensive gun laws to snare people
like you, then gives a pardon to his son over
the gun laws. Hunter comes out and says, this was
about addiction, and he's an addict. This is not about addiction,
and it's not about guns. This is about I think
that there might because I got nothing going on down there, probably.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Shout out to base your Hunter to roll up anole
and them Congressional his brother.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
He was gonna get his laptop fixed, but Hunter got.
He wasn't gonna show off the picks, but Hunter go.
He should have let Hilary Bleach hiss a hard job here.
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He wasn't gonna mess with the hoes, but Hunter got high.
He was gonna take him home out on the boat.
But he's the smartest man show ever.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Knew in his life. Here got Hunter got Hounter go.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
He was gonna go visit his dead, but Hunter got hid.
He thought he had a secret stash, but Hunter guy,
the White House got shut down. We all know why
your hone, God, Honter, he never could pay the Hunter
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got hid.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Now he gets a half a million up. Damn, that's high.
But I never used to start, would be you? Why
your hat.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
God, Honey hone, Ukraine wasn't part of the plan till
Hunter got high.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Shina wasn't that big of a fan. Till Hunter got
a He wasn't gonna split it all with the old
big guy.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
Many to Honter, God, to Honter God, Hunter got high.
He wasn't gonna go to court, but Honter got high.
He never been indicted before, but Hunter, God, his attorney's
out smoking the ball.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And we all know why your Hunter.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
Got honor, Honor, He was making eighty g's a month,
but Hounter God.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
On a jod brother, I ain't never done. Honor got
He got more ll seised than John Gotti's ex y.
Hunter got high, Hunter got high. Hunter his cousin was
never ripped camp.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
He had the best friends that money could read. Just
imagine if he wasn't rich, and.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So damn why.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
The cost of race House, Live and pound cake. Just
connect his cameras and still his money.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Scott Jennings is one of the bright lights to shine
out of the past year of political coverage. In this campaign,
a number of folks who emerged as influencers of some
sort or another, analysts, talking heads, panelists, future governmental officials,
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book authors, speech givers. I think Scott Jennings probably did
himself more good this year, coming from where he did
to where he is today than any individual in the
public square in the media space.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
At least here he is.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Making the point that an eleven year blanket pardon tells
you everything you need to know.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Joe Biden is leaving office making the strongest possible case
for Donald Trump that anybody could possibly make it. And
that's that our government and our justice system is of
by and for the elites and nobody else. He ran
to banish trumpsm from our political system in this country,
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and he has left it politically and now institutionally, the
strongest possible political force in this country. It is a
complete and utter failure by the head of the Democratic
Party and the President of the United States. Never again
do I want to hear, Oh, Donald Trump's a liar.
You can't believe anything he says. Donald Trump will abuse
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his power. Donald Trump will only use the system to
benefit himself and.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
His family, and so on and so forth. Never again, I.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Have one question for Karen, and that is why did
he need an eleven year blanket pardon. Going back to
twenty fourteen when Joe Biden was the Vice president, we
are sitting on the biggest cover up of who knows
what crimes and Joe Biden amazingly knows exactly roughly when
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it started. He knows just about when it all started.
He's leading office in complete and total disgrace. He is
a liar and there is no other way to spend
this today. This has nothing to do with Trump and
everything to do with the character of Joe Biden.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
They knew all along that Biden would pardon Hunter. And
the reason isn't because he has a record because of
the gun crimes. Now there is an income tax issue
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that with Joe Biden outside the White House, without Joe
Biden in control of the Department of Justice, they are
terrified because by all accounts, Hunter Biden should go to prison,
and everybody knows it. The bigger crimes are crimes that
personally benefited Joe Biden, and I think you have to
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bifurcate those cases. You have to say, here are the
crimes that Hunter Biden commits, sex crimes, drug crimes, you know,
the numerous things he did that are salacious, that get
people's attention. He knocked up a stripper in DC. She
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moves back to Florida. She's living in a trailer. He
denies paternity, right and and that's the sort of thing
that people can There's the drug use that he's that
he that he filmed himself, you know, and he's wearing
his underwear with the feather boa. But the bigger issue
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is who's paying for all of this, how much money
is rolling through this and where's it really going because
nobody's hiring Hunter Biden but for his father. Remember the
finger painting he was doing, Remember the art he was.
He became an overnight sensation as an artist. So this
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isn't really about pardoning Hunter Biden. This is really Joe
Biden pardoning himself, his wife, and his brother. A pardon
on a scale this big is so so mad. People
have begged for pardons in the past. Remember Lynn Anderson,
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I beg your pardon.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
I never promised you a rose garden along.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Withy the sunshine. There's gotta feel raised.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Sometimes when you take you gotta.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Give some heaven a heven go whoa I beg your pardon,
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael darry Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Fifty former national intelligence folks who said that what this
he's accusing me of is a Russian plant. They have
said that this has all the care. Four five former
heads of the CIA, both parties say what he's saying
is a bunch of garbage.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
They displayed naked photos of me during an.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oversight here, and they have taken the light of my
dad's love for me.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
The monster's gone, is on and your dad is here
and presented it as darkness. They have no shame.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I'm extremely proud of my son Hunter. He has overcome
an addiction. He is He's one of the brightest, most
decent men I know. And I am satisfied that I'm
not gonna do anything I said. I said, I ad
buy by the jury decision.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
I will do that, and I will not pardon you.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The President would not pardon or community sens for his
son Hunter.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I want to make sure that that is not going
to change for Old for the next six months.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
The President's say it's.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Still a no, it's still an it's still a no.
It will be a no. It is a no, and
I don't have anything else to add. Will he pardon his.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
Son No, CNN has learned President Biden will pardon his
son Hunter.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Biden.
Speaker 8 (01:53):
Let me be the first one to congratulate the President
for deciding to do.
Speaker 9 (02:02):
I hope that President Biden will also issue preemptive pardons
to all of those people threatened by the unjustice of
what will become the Department of Justice in the Trump administration.
That of course includes Jack Smith and all of his staff,
many Department of Justice lawyers. It includes President Biden himself.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Hunter.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Well, you knew he would, and now he has. Joe
Biden has pardoned his son Hunter for eleven years worth
of crimes, which raises a number of questions that we
will do our best to address, and of course we'll
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take your calls. In a bit. One programming note, I
have a terrible upper respiratory infection, which is of zero
consequence to the show. I only share that because if
you note a slight change in my voice, and I'm
going to do the absolute best I can to keep
you from hearing me cough constantly. But if for some
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reason I trail off in the middle of a sentence
and Ramon hits the music. Should we just do Beautiful
Boy as our Hunter tribute throughout You'll know that I
really don't want y'all to be subjected to what my
poor wife and kids have had to hear for a week, which.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Is me coffee.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
I have the best medical care. Doctor Mary Tally Boden
was out herself this past week, and so my wife
on Saturday said, Hey, why don't you go see Mary
Tally on Monday or sooner if possible, And so she
came in over the weekend yesterday, and so I am
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on the proper meds. I am nebulizing and steroidizing and
coffee dropping and everything cough dropping and everything else that
can be done. So I just wanted to say that
I apologize. I know it's unpleasant, but there we go.
So we start with what a presidential pardon is. This
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is the single biggest presidential pardon and since the Nixon pardon,
and probably the two biggest in American history. I went
searching to see because I could not think of a
pardon on a grander scale, a more egregious pardon than
(04:52):
this one, and the only one that most every legal
scholar out there who has been in the first round
of responders can compare it to was when then President
Richard Nixon stepped down to be replaced by Gerald Ford, who,
of course, as you know, Ford was not elected as
(05:12):
the Vice president. Spiralty Agnew, the governor of Maryland, had
a number of problems and with regard to selling timber
interests on the East Coast and taking bribes, Agnew stepped down.
Gerald Ford replaced him, coming from the House, and then
as Vice President, Jerald Ford would ascend to the presidency.
(05:34):
And it was a quid pro quote deal that he
would pardon Richard Nixon with the idea of supposedly healing
the nation. There has not been in the fifty years. Hence,
a pardon on this scale, a pardon to raise the
hackles to this extent. And some will say, and I'm
(05:57):
not a fan of the pardon power, some will say
that we should do away with it. A bigger issue
than you might imagine. Article one of our Constitution lays
out the legislative body considered to be the more important
of the three bodies of our government, that being the
law writers the Legislative Congress. Article two the law enforcers,
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that is, those who execute the laws. That's the executive branch,
which is the president. And this has been where the
problem has happened, the large bureaucracy that has grown up
into becoming what has been called an imperial presidency. And then,
of course Article three the judiciary which adjudicates those very laws.
(06:41):
Article two, Section two, Clause one reads quote, the President
shall be Commander in chief of the Army and Navy
of the United States. We didn't have marines at that time,
or an air force, and of the militia of the
several States. When called into the actual service of the
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United States, he may require the opinion in writing of
the Principal Officer in each of the Executive Departments upon
any subject related to the duties of their respective offices.
And here we are, and he shall have power to
grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States,
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except in cases of impeachment. That doesn't cover this case.
So does Joe Biden have the actual authority to pardon
his son?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Now, what that pardon means, what it covers, that's the
subject of greater conversation. There are a number of questions
that arise out of this. Number one, it's a pardon
covering eleven years going back to twenty fourteen, not coincidentally
(08:01):
the year that Hunter Biden joined the Barisma board. In
twenty fourteen, Joe Biden was the vice president of the
United States. If Hunter Biden was committing crimes as far
back as twenty fourteen, considering that Biden was the vice
president until January twentieth of twenty seventeen, it's a pretty
(08:26):
clear admission that the Biden crime family was operating while
they had the full authority of the United States government
out of the Vice President's office. And then there arises
the question of why now Joe Biden has some almost
(08:46):
forty eight days left as president, And then there is well,
there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
To talk about.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
This Tompray.
Speaker 10 (09:12):
That was completely risking out of work to down all
inside and so frustrating, breaking the town, sound personal body,
us outside for.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Against my life.
Speaker 8 (09:36):
Bringing along bringing a law, breaking the law, breaking the law,
breaking the law.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
The Department of Justice as an office of the Pardon Attorney.
Since eighteen ninety three, that office has handled issues of
pardons and clemency. A pardon is a greater reprieve than
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clemency because it restores the lost civil rights after a conviction,
the individual may reclaim those civil rights after a conviction.
Since eighteen ninety three there has been an office of
the Pardon Attorney within the Department of Justice. Of course,
(10:26):
the power to pardon goes back to the original Constitution.
Executive clemency, which you will often see written about, is
a lesser reprieve, whereas a full pardon, which is what
Hunter Biden has been given, absolves him of those crimes
(10:52):
for which he was charged and in this case might
be charged. Going back an eleven year period to put
it into perspective, the major the major pardons given throughout history.
See how many of these you remember. We'll get into
(11:13):
him later. Roger Clinton. On the last day of his presidency,
President Bill Clinton pardoned his brother Roger of a drug conviction,
a cocaine conviction, and Roger would of course then go
on to get a DWI a few months later. He
also pardoned Mark Rich businessman, He pardoned Susan McDougall, and
(11:37):
he pardoned former Housing secretary from San Anton, Henry Cisnaros.
In nineteen ninety two, President H. W. Bush pardoned six
men implicated in the Iran contra affair, cap Weinberger being
the most notable of those. President Reagan pardoned George Steinbrenner
(11:59):
for illegal contributions he had made to Nixon's campaign. Richard Nixon,
of course pardoned by Gerald Ford. President Jimmy Carter on October.
In October nineteen seventy eight, pardon Jefferson Davis. A bit later,
we should say, restoring the full citizenship rights of former
(12:22):
Confederate President Jefferson Davis, signing an act from Congress that
ended a century long dispute. G Gordon Lyddy was pardoned
by Jimmy Carter. Technically, he commuted his sentence from the
Watergate burglary. Jimmy Hoffa was serving a fifteen year sentence
(12:44):
when when President Nixon pardoned him in December of seventy one,
Teamster's leader Eugene Debs. Nineteen twenty one, President Warren harden
Harding pardoned the Socialist Party leader, who had been sentenced
to ten years in prison for an Anni warspeechs it
violated the Espionage Act. Doctor Samuel Mudd, whose name was Mud,
(13:07):
was spared from a life sentence in eighteen sixty nine
for treating Lincoln assassin John Wilkes book Booth for an
injured leg, and finally, President James Buchanan pardoned Brigham Young
for his role in the defeat of the University of
Houston Cougars and keeping Colorado out of the playoffs, which
(13:28):
might have been interesting to see Dion Sanders. Brigham Young
was involved in the Utah War between Mormon fighters and
federal troops in the eighteen fifties and was pardoned by
President Joe Buchanan. There are a number of questions that
are worthy of our conversation. To begin with, why now?
(13:51):
Why a pardon on December second, when Joe Biden will
be president until January twenty First of all, you typically
make a pardon like this as you're walking out the door.
The reason is there's no bandwidth, there's no oxygen in
the room to criticize the pardon because everyone's focused on
(14:15):
the new president. So as the president's walking out the door,
nobody really cares much about the ex president. The sitting
president is soon to be former president, So you make
that pardon and only the most hardcore observers of politics
will pay attention to it. That's why some of those
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that happened during your lifetime might have missed your notice
because you were watching for what Rush Limbaugh called the
immaculation of Barack Obama in January of two thousand and nine.
If you make this as you're walking out the door,
you have a number of things distracting from what's going on.
(14:59):
For Joe Biden to make this step now, to do
this now. They did it on a Sunday, which is
a slower newsday, But this will be the top news
story all day long. It's what people are going to
talk about, and hopefully it will be a thing that
(15:19):
is talked about for years to come relentlessly.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It will.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
It will burn the image of Democrats as cheaters and
liars into the minds of voters, because they are. But
I think the more important point here is there is
something at play that you do so almost fifty days before.
I will speculate, I don't know this to be true.
(15:49):
One is that the president is so concerned about his
health that he's not sure he'll make fifty days. I
don't think that's saying too much. If you've seen, if
you've seen the man, and you have, at least in
the little glimpses we get. It's also been widely rumored
(16:14):
and there is some detail to back this up that
in Las Vegas earlier this year, in the early summer,
which is kind of what led to the last minute
debate and then him stepping down, that he had a
health episode that was very close to being terminal. I
(16:36):
don't think it's anybody's doubt that he is. He's not
day to day in that he is on hospice, but
he is in extraordinarily poor health. Let's start there. But
it could also be that they expect some sort of
change in the presidency between now and January twentieth. Is
(16:58):
that him stepping down so that Kamala Harris can be president?
I don't know. That's the rumor. That's what I've always
suspected what happened, they would like to coordinate her the
first woman president. I do know that there is a
great deal of rancor between the Harris campaign and Joe Biden,
(17:21):
and particularly Joe Biden, but it's also the case that
they may not be totally in charge of what's going
to happen and what doesn't. I find it odd that
this decision is being announced and made formal on December one, yesterday,
(17:42):
rather than closer to January twentieth. That's simply something to
keep your eye on because it's odd, it's atypical, this
is not how it does how it typically happens. A
number of folks are concerned about Hunter Biden's sex and
(18:04):
drug use, and I would say that those are not
the crimes that should concern us the most. But I'll
also say those are the crimes that made Hunter Biden
the household name and made people care of all the
things that Bill Clinton did wrong to this country during
his presidency. Having sex with an intern, while an immorality,
(18:29):
was not what did the most damaged. It is what
brought him down. But let's talk about what Hunter.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Biden did do.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
The intherioist, the butterflies with the Michael Berry, they're all.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Duncans, and you know, duncan means your job.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
In the college football game that I have anticipated the
most in a very long time, University of Texas, Longhorns,
feeding Texas A and m Aggie's. And I would say,
in a rather commanding way, a number of friends said
it wasn't a game. Interesting couldn't disagree with me. I
(19:39):
thought that it started off extraordinarily strong. I think the
better team won. I don't think either team played phenomenally
well within their skill set capability, but both teams showed up.
Nobody could say that one or the other didn't show up.
(20:00):
The Aggies were out talented this year, and that's just
a fact. I think that every team other than Georgia
has been out talented that has played the University of Texas,
because this is the best Texas team that I've seen
in going back almost twenty years. This is an extraordinarily,
(20:23):
extraordinarily good team both sides of the ball, and I
think Sark is an offensive genius. So of course you
have the SEC championship and a rematch for the Longhorns.
And I'll tell you what. Going into a rematch like that,
Folks will tell you that it's not an advantage to
have lost the time before, but it sure does give
(20:46):
you one heck of a motivation. It's gonna be it's
gonna be very interesting. I mean very interesting. Indeed, the
sad part for me is that an A and M
win would have sent them to the championship, and a
win there would have lent them to the playoffs and
very likely could have landed them in the playoffs anyway.
(21:06):
So the Aggies are reduced or are removed from the
playoff picture, whereas the University of Texas We're going to
make the playoffs. Either way, I'd, for one like to
see both teams in the playoffs. You don't need to
tell me that because you're an ague you hate the Horns,
or because you're a horn you hate the Aggies. I
got it. That's your thing. Good for you, It's not
my thing. So there we are on that subject. Let's
(21:29):
get to the very issue of what just happened. It's
important to focus on what just happened, and it's never
what's being reported. Joe Biden didn't really pardon Hunter Biden.
(21:51):
He really pardoned himself. The language refers to charged in
uncharged crimes. It goes back to May fourteenth, it goes
back to twenty fourteen. Now, what happens in twenty fourteen?
(22:14):
It was in let me just check, I guess it
begins in April of twenty fourteen that Hunter Biden goes
on the board of Barisma. He'd never been to Ukraine before,
and he was placed on the board of a Ukrainian
(22:37):
national oil company with absolutely zero experience in oil or
anything energy related. Never having been to Ukraine, what expertise
did he have, what background did he have. There was
nothing that would speak to him being on that board.
(23:01):
But again that was never about. Yeah, January one, twenty
fourteen to December first, twenty twenty four So if Hunter
goes out tomorrow and commits a crime, it doesn't cover that,
although they would issue another pardon before he walked out
the door. It also does not cover state crimes, although
the crimes that Joe Biden is most worried about are
(23:23):
federal crimes. In May of twenty fourteen, while Joe Biden
is Vice President, his son joins the Barisma board. Now,
one of the things, one of the red flags at
the time was that Joe Biden was the vice president
and he was in charge of the Obama Biden administration's
(23:45):
foreign policy in Ukraine, which of course is the only
reason he was placed there. They couldn't give millions of
dollars directly to Joe Biden, so they gave it to
his son. At the time, when criticisms arose the Vice
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President's office, Obama pretended not to know, and the Vice
President's office said that the Vice President was so busy
mourning his son bo the son Bow who he has
claimed died in battle didn't, The son who he has
(24:33):
used as an excuse to avoid accountability for most everything.
He's also used this son to claim that he's a
gold star father, as if his son died in battle. Again,
these are lies. The media knew it. They should be
(24:53):
career ending lies, but the media chose not to push
this issue. But it's also important to understand that since
it covers January fourteenth through December January first, twenty fourteen
(25:14):
through yesterday, it manages to pick up the two years
that Biden was vice president, and you've got Hunter on
the Ukrainian Oil Company board, which is a kickback to Biden.
It also covers the four years of the Trump administration.
(25:35):
It also covers the four years of the Biden administration. Again,
crimes charged and uncharged. Now they're focusing on the gun crimes.
That's what Biden's folks are. Hey, look, right wing, you
got to understand he got snared in these gun laws.
(26:00):
You understand you could get snared by these gun laws too.
These gun laws they're just they're too complicated, they're just
they're you know, you know, those my buddies, the gun
control nuts. They you know these gun laws, Which isn't
it interesting that the president, who along with Barack Obama,
(26:24):
was pursuing the most extensive gun laws to snare people
like you, then gives a pardon to his son over
the gun laws. Hunter comes out and says, this was
about addiction, and he's an addict. This is not about addiction,
and it's not about guns. This is about I think
that there might because I got nothing going on down there, probably.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Shout out to base your Hunter to roll up anole
and them Congressional his brother.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
He was gonna get his laptop fixed, but Hunter got.
He wasn't gonna show off the picks, but Hunter go.
He should have let Hilary Bleach hiss a hard job here.
(27:40):
He wasn't gonna mess with the hoes, but Hunter got high.
He was gonna take him home out on the boat.
But he's the smartest man show ever.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Knew in his life. Here got Hunter got Hounter go.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
He was gonna go visit his dead, but Hunter got hid.
He thought he had a secret stash, but Hunter guy,
the White House got shut down. We all know why
your hone, God, Honter, he never could pay the Hunter
(28:29):
got hid.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Now he gets a half a million up. Damn, that's high.
But I never used to start, would be you? Why
your hat.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
God, Honey hone, Ukraine wasn't part of the plan till
Hunter got high.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Shina wasn't that big of a fan. Till Hunter got
a He wasn't gonna split it all with the old
big guy.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
Many to Honter, God, to Honter God, Hunter got high.
He wasn't gonna go to court, but Honter got high.
He never been indicted before, but Hunter, God, his attorney's
out smoking the ball.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And we all know why your Hunter.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
Got honor, Honor, He was making eighty g's a month,
but Hounter God.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
On a jod brother, I ain't never done. Honor got
He got more ll seised than John Gotti's ex y.
Hunter got high, Hunter got high. Hunter his cousin was
never ripped camp.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
He had the best friends that money could read. Just
imagine if he wasn't rich, and.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So damn why.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
The cost of race House, Live and pound cake. Just
connect his cameras and still his money.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Scott Jennings is one of the bright lights to shine
out of the past year of political coverage. In this campaign,
a number of folks who emerged as influencers of some
sort or another, analysts, talking heads, panelists, future governmental officials,
(30:51):
book authors, speech givers. I think Scott Jennings probably did
himself more good this year, coming from where he did
to where he is today than any individual in the
public square in the media space.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
At least here he is.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Making the point that an eleven year blanket pardon tells
you everything you need to know.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Joe Biden is leaving office making the strongest possible case
for Donald Trump that anybody could possibly make it. And
that's that our government and our justice system is of
by and for the elites and nobody else. He ran
to banish trumpsm from our political system in this country,
(31:39):
and he has left it politically and now institutionally, the
strongest possible political force in this country. It is a
complete and utter failure by the head of the Democratic
Party and the President of the United States. Never again
do I want to hear, Oh, Donald Trump's a liar.
You can't believe anything he says. Donald Trump will abuse
(32:00):
his power. Donald Trump will only use the system to
benefit himself and.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
His family, and so on and so forth. Never again, I.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Have one question for Karen, and that is why did
he need an eleven year blanket pardon. Going back to
twenty fourteen when Joe Biden was the Vice president, we
are sitting on the biggest cover up of who knows
what crimes and Joe Biden amazingly knows exactly roughly when
(32:29):
it started. He knows just about when it all started.
He's leading office in complete and total disgrace. He is
a liar and there is no other way to spend
this today. This has nothing to do with Trump and
everything to do with the character of Joe Biden.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
They knew all along that Biden would pardon Hunter. And
the reason isn't because he has a record because of
the gun crimes. Now there is an income tax issue
(33:08):
that with Joe Biden outside the White House, without Joe
Biden in control of the Department of Justice, they are
terrified because by all accounts, Hunter Biden should go to prison,
and everybody knows it. The bigger crimes are crimes that
personally benefited Joe Biden, and I think you have to
(33:29):
bifurcate those cases. You have to say, here are the
crimes that Hunter Biden commits, sex crimes, drug crimes, you know,
the numerous things he did that are salacious, that get
people's attention. He knocked up a stripper in DC. She
(33:53):
moves back to Florida. She's living in a trailer. He
denies paternity, right and and that's the sort of thing
that people can There's the drug use that he's that
he that he filmed himself, you know, and he's wearing
his underwear with the feather boa. But the bigger issue
(34:17):
is who's paying for all of this, how much money
is rolling through this and where's it really going because
nobody's hiring Hunter Biden but for his father. Remember the
finger painting he was doing, Remember the art he was.
He became an overnight sensation as an artist. So this
(34:38):
isn't really about pardoning Hunter Biden. This is really Joe
Biden pardoning himself, his wife, and his brother. A pardon
on a scale this big is so so mad. People
have begged for pardons in the past. Remember Lynn Anderson,
(35:04):
I beg your pardon.
Speaker 8 (35:08):
I never promised you a rose garden along.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Withy the sunshine. There's gotta feel raised.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Sometimes when you take you gotta.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Give some heaven a heven go whoa I beg your pardon,
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