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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Michael Barry Show.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I don't know if I ever told you, but I
was once on Nightline with Ted Copple. It was filmed
in Houston at Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church and I was
supposed to be on the panel, but at the last
minute I wasn't on the panel. And it was the
then mayor I was a mayor pro tem, Bill White,
and it was a Houston based show and Ted Copple
(00:24):
was very arrogant. Oh, I used to love the show.
I thought it was a really, really well done show,
and this was before hosts were as partisan and ideological
as they are. Although he ended up kind of revealing
that he was as well, but early on I didn't
detect it. Heck, I used to watch Chris Matthews Hardball
(00:44):
back in the day when he started, and I thought
he was pretty good. Even there it was a partisan hack.
I thought it was interesting. I read his book. But
of course they all and this is where the Death
of Media, they all skewed too far to the left.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Well.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I bring all that up for no particular reason except
as an introduction to the fact that in nineteen ninety
two Rush Limbaugh was for many years the sole voice
of conservatism, and much more so than say Bill Buckley.
Rush Limbaugh had an every man's audience. So when he
(01:18):
came on the scene, Buckley would speak in this received pronunciation,
very patriarchal, aristocratic voice, and I don't think you know,
it was very national review and there was a group
of people that liked that. But the average person, even
from his years at Firing Line, I don't think the
(01:39):
average person could identify with him because he was quite
patrician compared to people you know, well, you get the point.
But rush Limbaugh came on the scene and they wanted
him as the guest because he would say anything. He
was unafraid and fearless in what he said. So on
Nightline in nineteen ninety two, then Al Gore he would
(02:02):
be running as Bill Clinton's vice presidential running mate in
short order and l Rushbo rush limbough and they're going
to debate the kromet the climate crisis. And I got
to tell you, we love rush Limbaugh and we love
to honor him as much as possible. And I don't
(02:23):
have to give you any more introduction than that. Here
is rush Limbaugh debating Al Gore, and it ain't even
fair on Nightline in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Enjoying in the studio now is Senator Al Gore of Tennessee,
who a new book is Earth in the Balance, Ecology
and the Human Spirit. And joining us from our New
York studio is Rush Limbaugh, who is syndicated radio show
is heard across the country. There is a Senator, goare
a growing feeling. I don't want to say it represents
anything approaching in majority yet, but a growing feeling that
(02:55):
sometimes the environmentalists are putting the spotted owl and the
snail there or ahead of human beings.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well, I think you've got really two separate issues discussed
in your setup piece.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Ted.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
There are local conflicts involving the use of public lands
and some laws that impinge on private property owners, and
there are some legitimate complaints, No doubt they're in the
tiny minority, but there are legitimate complaints. On the other hand,
we now face a global ecological crisis that is more
serious than anything human civilization has ever faced, and there's
(03:32):
a problem of scale here. To discuss the friction in
the passage and implementation of some of the laws on
the local environment, and to weigh at the same time
that against this unprecedented global crisis I think presents a
problem of scale.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
You're talking now about the Holy Mio zone layer or
global warming or combination of the two.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well, let me make it to the point this way.
When you talk about military matters, you talk about local conflicts,
regional theaters of action, and strategic conflicts. Same with the environment.
You've got local environmental problem, regional problems like acid rain.
Now we've got a whole new category of global or
strategic problems, which include the hole in the ozone layer
(04:20):
which now could appear above the United States, global climate change,
the destruction of the rainforest at a rate that means
they'll be totally gone in another few decades unless we
stop the pollution of the oceans and the atmosphere and
the like. These represent brand new challenges that call for
a new kind of response Russia.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I've listened to you many afternoons, as you know, and
you tend to I don't want to see you dismiss
all of these issues, but at least you dismiss them
as having been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Well, absolutely, I don't think that there's anything conclusive about
what Senator Gore said, with all due respect, I think,
for example, there is no ozone hole over the United States,
and if we want to get into the detailed discussion
of ozone depletion, we can. But I think ted that
there is not a crisis. This is the problem I have.
I don't think the Earth is fragile. I don't think
the ecology is fragilely balanced. And I think that the
(05:14):
Doom's day industry that is typified by members of the
Hollywood acting community, who say we've only got ten years
left to save our planet. We've got to act now.
There's no way if what these people say is true,
that we could solve these problems in ten years. Anyway,
it's budget time in Washington. NASA's being cut, and I
think that this fright and the doom scenario is designed
(05:36):
to frighten people. Everything in this country today seems to
be a crisis. We can't do anything without it being
having to face it as a crisis. We don't have
any time to think about it. There are as many scientists,
maybe even more, on the opposite side of all of
these Doom's Day predictions, and I think that they need
to listen to it. Ye Oh yes, there are.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
That's not true. If I could jump in there, Ted
Russ did identify, I think the key point of disagreement
early in his first response, and that is the question
of whether or not the Earth is fragile. Are we
as human beings now capable of doing serious damage to
the global environment. That's really the key difference. Do you
(06:16):
think we are between the yes? I think so. I
think for three reasons, Russ. I think. I think three
things have changed in our lifetimes. Incidentally. Number one, the
population explosion now adds the entire population of China every
ten years. Number Two, we've got new technologies we never
had before, like chlora flora carbons, which magnify our impact
(06:36):
on the Earth. Just as nuclear weapons transformed warfare. These
thousands of new technologies that magnify our ability to exploit
the earth change our relationship to the Earth.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Let me just let me just interrupt for a moment.
If I'm made a senator, because you know, what I
know confuses certainly a lot of people who will listen
to Russia's program every yetternoon is that he will state
as a matter of fact that there is in the
disagreement within the scientific communities now then they will be
disagreement within the scientific community, but you seem to stay
(07:06):
just as forcefully that there is, if not unanimity, that
certainly the preponderance of scientific opinion is in agreement that
these things are a massive danger.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
There's there's no question about that. Let me compare it
to this situation. You can find today some scientists who
work for tobacco companies who will claim with a straight
face that there is no proven link between smoking and
lung cancer. And if you look closely at the scientific data,
you have to admit that there are uncertainties. We don't
(07:37):
know exactly how smoking causes lung cancer. But the weight
of the evidence accepted by the overwhelming preponderance of scientists
is yes, smoking does cause lung cancer, and so we
act on that knowledge from the scientific community, even though
there are some remaining uncertainty where the ozone hole is concerned.
(07:57):
For example, the linkage between the chemicals flora flora carbon
and the ozone hall is established. There may be one
hundredth of one percent of the scientific community that disputes it.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Oh no, no, no, it's far more than that. Responsible works.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Let's if we can. We're going to take a break rush.
When we come back, I'll give you a chance to respect.
We'll continue our discussion in just a moment. Careers are
knowing how to fake it on an issue. I don't
know of anyone up on Capitol Hill who is more
knowledgeable on the subject of the environment than Al Gore.
You have to take seriously what he said.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Oh look, I don't mean any disrespect to Senator Gore.
I think that Senator Gore is a well intentioned man
and only he's doing what he thinks best. And I
think that the vast majority of people concerned about the
environment will fall into that camp. But I think ted
that the environmental movements, as fueled by the militants who
lead it, I think is the new home of socialism.
I think it is they've adopted a constituency here which
(08:53):
can't speak that is, trees and rocks and so forth,
and can't reject the so called help and concern. Learn
that the advocates are giving it, and it gives them
a stage from which to constantly launch at tax at capitalism.
If you listen to what Senator Gore said, it is
man made products which are causing the ozone depletion. Yet
Mount Pinitubo has put five hundred and seventy times the
(09:15):
amount of chlorine into the atmosphere in one eruption than
all of man made chlorofluorocarbons in one year. And the
ultraviolet radiation measured on this country's surface since nineteen seventy
four has shown no increase whatsoever. And if there's ozone
depletion going on, you're going to have UV radiation levels
going away. They simply aren't. The Sun makes ozone, and
(09:40):
there is an ozone hole in the Antarctic Circle in
the Arctic Circle simply because the sun's below the horizon
for a portion of the year. This is not a
big mystery, and there are people who will tell you that,
such as Dixie Lee Ray, the former president of the
Atomic Energy Commission, governor of the State of Washington, and
a respected scientists. And she has her own book out
called Trashing the Planet, which debunks a number of these myths.
I've talked to her about it.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Let us give a Senatorgora a chance to respond.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Thanks. I'd like to respond on two points to First
of all, on a technical point, volcanoes put chlorine in
the atmosphere, but at a very low altitude Mount Pinatubo
has had an effect on the depletion of ozone. But
because the particulates go up so high now in the
presence of the chlorofluorocarbons and other chemicals like bromine, they
(10:27):
accelerate the depletion that is going on. But I wanted
to get back to a more important point again a
matter of philosophy. I think ted that Rush sincerely believes
that the global environmental crisis is kind of hyped, and
it's a fiction hyped by some people who are using
(10:47):
it as an excuse to expand the role of government
or the state. But let me respond because I think
it's ironic Rush that most environmentalists who have really studied
these global issues point the finger or of blame at
centralized government power as much as it anything else. The
worst problems have been caused by communist nations where the
(11:08):
power of government is strongest, like in Eastern Europe.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Senator, You're absolutely right, but you're one of the few
voices saying that most of the fingers of blame are
pointed at US. Business are pointed at evil corporate America,
which doesn't care about the environment of the United states well.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I argue that that both capitalism and democracy and individual
freedom have to be expanded around the world as preconditions
and prerequisites for solving the global ecological.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Wings are we agree soltly.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Some businesses are now beginning to see the light and
recognize that there's a huge market worldwide opening up for
the new ecologically responsible products and processes. That's why that
we don't.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Do it by shutting them down. The Senator see one of.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Them, milions, trying to shut them.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Well, but you may not be But there are those
who want to shut down business, who want to blame
American business for the problems that we have, and they
want to go back to the Stone Age and preserve
everything as it is now for the rest of time.
And I don't think that's worked with. You may not
prescribe to this, and I would suggest.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
That that maybe you.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I don't want to impune or insult you, But as
I said, I think your intentions are honorable and uh
and and full board. But I think you may not
be aware of just some of the hideous leadership that
we don't even know the names of these people. I mean,
we're not publican let.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Me let me ask you this rush. Why do you
think Japanese businesses the key Dan Wren, who who is
that big Japanese business organization? Why do you think they
have set much tougher environmental standards for Japanese corporations than
are established in US law.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I don't know that they have.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I don't think there's on competition, but I think the
reason is twofold number one. They see this new market
opening up. Sure number two, they discovered that waste in
the form of pollution is also economic waste, and when
they pay careful attention to eliminating the inefficiencies and the
wasteful process, their profits go up. And American companies that
(13:03):
has sincerely undertaken the effort to be responsible towards the
environment are discovering the same.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Senator, I don't disagree with that at all in any way,
shape matter form, But you must understand that there are
those who seek to blame American business for causing these problems.
This movement that was highlighted in the setup package for
the show tonight. There clearly is a movement on to
take as much land back from private ownership as possible
(13:29):
and give it back to the government so that it's
off limits for private property ownership, and that, as you know,
is fundamental to the American way of life. And I
consider it an assault on the American way of life.
And I got set up Peace was brilliantly put together.
And it's about time that kind of thing was exposed
because the other side, quite frankly, has had its way
with a willing media.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Well, actually, you've just confirmed my worst fears because I
saw I'll go a wincing throughout the setup Peace. So well,
I'll tell you what, gentlemen. We're down to about our
last forty five seconds. So a closing thought then from you,
Senator Goo, just heard from USh Limbo.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, there's a classic experiment in science ted about a
frog that's dropped in a pot of boiling water and
jumps right out. When the same frog is put in.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
A pot of lukewarm water.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
That's slowly brought to a boil, it just sits there
until it's rescued. A frog's nervous system needs a sudden
jolt to get the connection. We're like that frog. We're
getting the signals of an ecological devastation around the world,
but we're still dead in the water. The Ozone hole
is threatening to open up above North America, above ken
A Bunkport. And still we're not reacting. But the American
(14:33):
people want to see us take this problem seriously and
do something about it.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
All right, Senator Gore, thank you very much. Russia'll have
three hours tomorrow afternoon to respond. They no, I was
on depletion.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
There's no crisis.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Thanks Ted, Okayeah, thank you both. Good of you to
join us. I'll be back in a moment.
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
I don't know if I ever told you, but I
was once on Nightline with Ted Copple. It was filmed
in Houston at Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church and I was
supposed to be on the panel, but at the last
minute I wasn't on the panel. And it was the
then mayor I was a mayor pro tem, Bill White,
and it was a Houston based show and Ted Copple
(00:24):
was very arrogant. Oh, I used to love the show.
I thought it was a really, really well done show,
and this was before hosts were as partisan and ideological
as they are. Although he ended up kind of revealing
that he was as well, but early on I didn't
detect it. Heck, I used to watch Chris Matthews Hardball
(00:44):
back in the day when he started, and I thought
he was pretty good. Even there it was a partisan hack.
I thought it was interesting. I read his book. But
of course they all and this is where the Death
of Media, they all skewed too far to the left.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Well.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I bring all that up for no particular reason except
as an introduction to the fact that in nineteen ninety
two Rush Limbaugh was for many years the sole voice
of conservatism, and much more so than say Bill Buckley.
Rush Limbaugh had an every man's audience. So when he
(01:18):
came on the scene, Buckley would speak in this received pronunciation,
very patriarchal, aristocratic voice, and I don't think you know,
it was very national review and there was a group
of people that liked that. But the average person, even
from his years at Firing Line, I don't think the
(01:39):
average person could identify with him because he was quite
patrician compared to people you know, well, you get the point.
But rush Limbaugh came on the scene and they wanted
him as the guest because he would say anything. He
was unafraid and fearless in what he said. So on
Nightline in nineteen ninety two, then Al Gore he would
(02:02):
be running as Bill Clinton's vice presidential running mate in
short order and l Rushbo rush limbough and they're going
to debate the kromet the climate crisis. And I got
to tell you, we love rush Limbaugh and we love
to honor him as much as possible. And I don't
(02:23):
have to give you any more introduction than that. Here
is rush Limbaugh debating Al Gore, and it ain't even
fair on Nightline in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Enjoying in the studio now is Senator Al Gore of Tennessee,
who a new book is Earth in the Balance, Ecology
and the Human Spirit. And joining us from our New
York studio is Rush Limbaugh, who is syndicated radio show
is heard across the country. There is a Senator, goare
a growing feeling. I don't want to say it represents
anything approaching in majority yet, but a growing feeling that
(02:55):
sometimes the environmentalists are putting the spotted owl and the
snail there or ahead of human beings.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well, I think you've got really two separate issues discussed
in your setup piece.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Ted.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
There are local conflicts involving the use of public lands
and some laws that impinge on private property owners, and
there are some legitimate complaints, No doubt they're in the
tiny minority, but there are legitimate complaints. On the other hand,
we now face a global ecological crisis that is more
serious than anything human civilization has ever faced, and there's
(03:32):
a problem of scale here. To discuss the friction in
the passage and implementation of some of the laws on
the local environment, and to weigh at the same time
that against this unprecedented global crisis I think presents a
problem of scale.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
You're talking now about the Holy Mio zone layer or
global warming or combination of the two.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well, let me make it to the point this way.
When you talk about military matters, you talk about local conflicts,
regional theaters of action, and strategic conflicts. Same with the environment.
You've got local environmental problem, regional problems like acid rain.
Now we've got a whole new category of global or
strategic problems, which include the hole in the ozone layer
(04:20):
which now could appear above the United States, global climate change,
the destruction of the rainforest at a rate that means
they'll be totally gone in another few decades unless we
stop the pollution of the oceans and the atmosphere and
the like. These represent brand new challenges that call for
a new kind of response Russia.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I've listened to you many afternoons, as you know, and
you tend to I don't want to see you dismiss
all of these issues, but at least you dismiss them
as having been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Well, absolutely, I don't think that there's anything conclusive about
what Senator Gore said, with all due respect, I think,
for example, there is no ozone hole over the United States,
and if we want to get into the detailed discussion
of ozone depletion, we can. But I think ted that
there is not a crisis. This is the problem I have.
I don't think the Earth is fragile. I don't think
the ecology is fragilely balanced. And I think that the
(05:14):
Doom's day industry that is typified by members of the
Hollywood acting community, who say we've only got ten years
left to save our planet. We've got to act now.
There's no way if what these people say is true,
that we could solve these problems in ten years. Anyway,
it's budget time in Washington. NASA's being cut, and I
think that this fright and the doom scenario is designed
(05:36):
to frighten people. Everything in this country today seems to
be a crisis. We can't do anything without it being
having to face it as a crisis. We don't have
any time to think about it. There are as many scientists,
maybe even more, on the opposite side of all of
these Doom's Day predictions, and I think that they need
to listen to it. Ye Oh yes, there are.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
That's not true. If I could jump in there, Ted
Russ did identify, I think the key point of disagreement
early in his first response, and that is the question
of whether or not the Earth is fragile. Are we
as human beings now capable of doing serious damage to
the global environment. That's really the key difference. Do you
(06:16):
think we are between the yes? I think so. I
think for three reasons, Russ. I think. I think three
things have changed in our lifetimes. Incidentally. Number one, the
population explosion now adds the entire population of China every
ten years. Number Two, we've got new technologies we never
had before, like chlora flora carbons, which magnify our impact
(06:36):
on the Earth. Just as nuclear weapons transformed warfare. These
thousands of new technologies that magnify our ability to exploit
the earth change our relationship to the Earth.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Let me just let me just interrupt for a moment.
If I'm made a senator, because you know, what I
know confuses certainly a lot of people who will listen
to Russia's program every yetternoon is that he will state
as a matter of fact that there is in the
disagreement within the scientific communities now then they will be
disagreement within the scientific community, but you seem to stay
(07:06):
just as forcefully that there is, if not unanimity, that
certainly the preponderance of scientific opinion is in agreement that
these things are a massive danger.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
There's there's no question about that. Let me compare it
to this situation. You can find today some scientists who
work for tobacco companies who will claim with a straight
face that there is no proven link between smoking and
lung cancer. And if you look closely at the scientific data,
you have to admit that there are uncertainties. We don't
(07:37):
know exactly how smoking causes lung cancer. But the weight
of the evidence accepted by the overwhelming preponderance of scientists
is yes, smoking does cause lung cancer, and so we
act on that knowledge from the scientific community, even though
there are some remaining uncertainty where the ozone hole is concerned.
(07:57):
For example, the linkage between the chemicals flora flora carbon
and the ozone hall is established. There may be one
hundredth of one percent of the scientific community that disputes it.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Oh no, no, no, it's far more than that. Responsible works.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Let's if we can. We're going to take a break rush.
When we come back, I'll give you a chance to respect.
We'll continue our discussion in just a moment. Careers are
knowing how to fake it on an issue. I don't
know of anyone up on Capitol Hill who is more
knowledgeable on the subject of the environment than Al Gore.
You have to take seriously what he said.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Oh look, I don't mean any disrespect to Senator Gore.
I think that Senator Gore is a well intentioned man
and only he's doing what he thinks best. And I
think that the vast majority of people concerned about the
environment will fall into that camp. But I think ted
that the environmental movements, as fueled by the militants who
lead it, I think is the new home of socialism.
I think it is they've adopted a constituency here which
(08:53):
can't speak that is, trees and rocks and so forth,
and can't reject the so called help and concern. Learn
that the advocates are giving it, and it gives them
a stage from which to constantly launch at tax at capitalism.
If you listen to what Senator Gore said, it is
man made products which are causing the ozone depletion. Yet
Mount Pinitubo has put five hundred and seventy times the
(09:15):
amount of chlorine into the atmosphere in one eruption than
all of man made chlorofluorocarbons in one year. And the
ultraviolet radiation measured on this country's surface since nineteen seventy
four has shown no increase whatsoever. And if there's ozone
depletion going on, you're going to have UV radiation levels
going away. They simply aren't. The Sun makes ozone, and
(09:40):
there is an ozone hole in the Antarctic Circle in
the Arctic Circle simply because the sun's below the horizon
for a portion of the year. This is not a
big mystery, and there are people who will tell you that,
such as Dixie Lee Ray, the former president of the
Atomic Energy Commission, governor of the State of Washington, and
a respected scientists. And she has her own book out
called Trashing the Planet, which debunks a number of these myths.
I've talked to her about it.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Let us give a Senatorgora a chance to respond.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Thanks. I'd like to respond on two points to First
of all, on a technical point, volcanoes put chlorine in
the atmosphere, but at a very low altitude Mount Pinatubo
has had an effect on the depletion of ozone. But
because the particulates go up so high now in the
presence of the chlorofluorocarbons and other chemicals like bromine, they
(10:27):
accelerate the depletion that is going on. But I wanted
to get back to a more important point again a
matter of philosophy. I think ted that Rush sincerely believes
that the global environmental crisis is kind of hyped, and
it's a fiction hyped by some people who are using
(10:47):
it as an excuse to expand the role of government
or the state. But let me respond because I think
it's ironic Rush that most environmentalists who have really studied
these global issues point the finger or of blame at
centralized government power as much as it anything else. The
worst problems have been caused by communist nations where the
(11:08):
power of government is strongest, like in Eastern Europe.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Senator, You're absolutely right, but you're one of the few
voices saying that most of the fingers of blame are
pointed at US. Business are pointed at evil corporate America,
which doesn't care about the environment of the United states well.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
I argue that that both capitalism and democracy and individual
freedom have to be expanded around the world as preconditions
and prerequisites for solving the global ecological.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Wings are we agree soltly.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Some businesses are now beginning to see the light and
recognize that there's a huge market worldwide opening up for
the new ecologically responsible products and processes. That's why that
we don't.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Do it by shutting them down. The Senator see one of.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Them, milions, trying to shut them.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Well, but you may not be But there are those
who want to shut down business, who want to blame
American business for the problems that we have, and they
want to go back to the Stone Age and preserve
everything as it is now for the rest of time.
And I don't think that's worked with. You may not
prescribe to this, and I would suggest.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
That that maybe you.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I don't want to impune or insult you, But as
I said, I think your intentions are honorable and uh
and and full board. But I think you may not
be aware of just some of the hideous leadership that
we don't even know the names of these people. I mean,
we're not publican let.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Me let me ask you this rush. Why do you
think Japanese businesses the key Dan Wren, who who is
that big Japanese business organization? Why do you think they
have set much tougher environmental standards for Japanese corporations than
are established in US law.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I don't know that they have.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I don't think there's on competition, but I think the
reason is twofold number one. They see this new market
opening up. Sure number two, they discovered that waste in
the form of pollution is also economic waste, and when
they pay careful attention to eliminating the inefficiencies and the
wasteful process, their profits go up. And American companies that
(13:03):
has sincerely undertaken the effort to be responsible towards the
environment are discovering the same.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Senator, I don't disagree with that at all in any way,
shape matter form, But you must understand that there are
those who seek to blame American business for causing these problems.
This movement that was highlighted in the setup package for
the show tonight. There clearly is a movement on to
take as much land back from private ownership as possible
(13:29):
and give it back to the government so that it's
off limits for private property ownership, and that, as you know,
is fundamental to the American way of life. And I
consider it an assault on the American way of life.
And I got set up Peace was brilliantly put together.
And it's about time that kind of thing was exposed
because the other side, quite frankly, has had its way
with a willing media.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Well, actually, you've just confirmed my worst fears because I
saw I'll go a wincing throughout the setup Peace. So well,
I'll tell you what, gentlemen. We're down to about our
last forty five seconds. So a closing thought then from you,
Senator Goo, just heard from USh Limbo.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, there's a classic experiment in science ted about a
frog that's dropped in a pot of boiling water and
jumps right out. When the same frog is put in.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
A pot of lukewarm water.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
That's slowly brought to a boil, it just sits there
until it's rescued. A frog's nervous system needs a sudden
jolt to get the connection. We're like that frog. We're
getting the signals of an ecological devastation around the world,
but we're still dead in the water. The Ozone hole
is threatening to open up above North America, above ken
A Bunkport. And still we're not reacting. But the American
(14:33):
people want to see us take this problem seriously and
do something about it.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
All right, Senator Gore, thank you very much. Russia'll have
three hours tomorrow afternoon to respond. They no, I was
on depletion.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
There's no crisis.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Thanks Ted, Okayeah, thank you both. Good of you to
join us. I'll be back in a moment.
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