December 12, 2024 • 32 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time time time, time, walking load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Are you going to fire the current FBI director, Christopher Ray?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Who you appointed?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Well, I can't say I'm thrilled with he invaded my home.
I'm suing the country over it. He invaded Marlangot.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Jack.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
Don't the FBI director just resigned. Christopher Ray announced a
moment ago that he will leave by the end of
the current administration, three years before the end of his
ten year term.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Don't you come back?
Speaker 7 (01:00):
I don't you come back?
Speaker 8 (01:01):
No?
Speaker 9 (01:04):
Hit the room.
Speaker 10 (01:05):
I don't you come back?
Speaker 8 (01:06):
No more?
Speaker 9 (01:07):
No more?
Speaker 7 (01:08):
No hit the room, and don't.
Speaker 11 (01:11):
You come back.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
After weeks of careful thought, I've decided the right thing
for the bureau is for me to serve until the end.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Of the current.
Speaker 12 (01:23):
Administration in January, and then stepped down.
Speaker 7 (01:26):
Well, I yes, give me you say so, I'll have
to tame the thing that's get the room.
Speaker 8 (01:33):
Don't you come back?
Speaker 7 (01:34):
No more?
Speaker 12 (01:35):
No more?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I get the room.
Speaker 10 (01:39):
I don't you come back?
Speaker 9 (01:42):
What you hear the room?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I know you come back?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
No more, no more.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
I hit the room and don't you come back?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, don't you come back? What you said? You come back,
I'll understand it.
Speaker 8 (01:59):
Come back.
Speaker 13 (02:01):
So Christopher Ray announced yesterday that he was resigning.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
That's cute. He was gone.
Speaker 13 (02:12):
Cash Fattel will be the new FBI director, and as
President Trump has made very clear, Christopher Ray would not
be allowed to stay.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Now.
Speaker 13 (02:23):
One of the reasons I read your emails is to
understand what's on your mind. And one of the things
that keeps coming up because you're hearing this on evening
news is I thought the FBI director got a ten
year term. That's not how that works. And let me
explain that this is something that I'm not sure people
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don't understand, or they do understand, and they're misconstruing it
on purpose to their own end. But my guess is
they don't understand. You have to understand, first of all,
j Edgar Hoover was the very long time FBI director.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I think it was thirty seven years. I might be wrong.
I think it was thirty seven years.
Speaker 13 (03:09):
He became the most powerful man in the country, and
the way he did that was to take his agency
and he would tell the presidents to whom he was
a counselor, hey, i'm your guy, I'm going to dig
up dirt on your enemies.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm going to give you what you need.
Speaker 13 (03:30):
I'm going to give your campaign what they need to
keep anybody from ever being able to challenge you. This
is very much the Rasputant approach to the Czar in Russia.
I'm going to make myself indispensable to you as a
person who can make you stronger and more powerful. The
problem is that person themselves become the wielder of power.
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There is a an old maxim that it is better
to be a king maker than a king, because kings
are assassinated and the king maker holds the power.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, look at Joe Biden.
Speaker 13 (04:15):
You know that Joe Biden hadn't been the president for
all intents and purposes, by which I mean determining major
policy issues, military issues.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He was just a guy. They rolled out there to
fall asleep or pooh or fall over.
Speaker 13 (04:31):
The persons who were controlling the country are people not
seen by you, Army. Now, the FBI director, JEdgar Hoover
was a vile individual, and it's very telling that the
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FBI headquarters is named for him. But Hoover began at
an FBI that was not so powerful, and he made
him so very useful. To presidents, and he would grow
his budget year after year. But what he did in
the process was he also investigated the presidents in, every
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member of Congress, every Supreme Court justice, and Martin Luther
King Junior and everyone else. And they would use that
information to blackmail, They would use that information to extort,
they would use that information to intimidate, so members of
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Congress were scared to death of him. And then in
the nineteen sixty eight Omnibus Crime Control Act, which eventually
it was in nineteen seventy six, in response to the
Hoover phenomenon, we can never let this happen again because
we don't run the country.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
He does.
Speaker 13 (05:55):
So the idea was an FBI's FBI directors would be
limited to ten years. But it's not a ten year term,
it's a ten year cap. You see, the FBI director
serves at the pleasure of the president like most everyone else.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So this idea.
Speaker 13 (06:22):
That the FBI director gets to be there for ten years.
You're going to hear a lot of crazy things now
that Trump is president. You're gonna hear things said that
you've never heard before. And they're going to say, oh,
the Constitution says, oh, the losses. It's all bull We're
going to do exactly what they've been doing, and that
is what we want to do. And we're not going
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to be limited. We're not going to be hamstrung. And
if Joni Earnst or John Cornan or Mitch McConnell or
someone else will not approve cabinet secretaries, we are going
to rain down hell upon them, because that's what you do.
You worked hard to win this election. Now the things
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that were promised you are going to be delivered you,
and Donald Trump has every intention to do so.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So here we are.
Speaker 13 (07:18):
Old Christopher Ray, the man who terrorized Donald Trump, a
man who Republicans thought was our friend. We thought he
was one of our guys. And this is one of
the oddest quirks of living in the era when we
do is this is the moment, the transformative moment, where
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we've come to understand that the Republicans we worked so
hard to elect, the Bushes and the Cheneese, the Romney's
and the Mitch McConnell's and John Cornyn's, they hate us,
but they never had need to cut us until we
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came after their power. When we realized that they've been
playing us all this time. And that crazy old Ron
Paul that was over there that everyone laughed at because
he was talking about doing away with the FBI. It
turns out there was your savant, there was your Doda
all along.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Michael Berry's show power is an amazing thing.
Speaker 13 (08:33):
They cannot be exercised democratically. When someone takes more than
their share of power, they take it from other people.
Our deep state has taken the power you have over
your own country without the consent of the government. Most
of these people you don't even know who they are.
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Think about that, most of these people operate in the shadow,
on your payroll, with your weaponry, with your equipment. Now
I understand some people get all lathered up excited because
they're spy novel people and they like the idea that
our government has all his power and you're not allowed
to know who has it. Well, then who does the
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people have the power? And that must be fought for constantly.
Haven't you seen Brave Heart not funny? Ramon Cia director
John Brennan is an awful human being.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Awful human being.
Speaker 13 (09:34):
He's one of those guys that believe that the peasants
shouldn't have any power, and he can decide which country's
leaders to topple and what he wants to do, and
you're too stupid to know any better.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And he hates Trump. Well, he was on.
Speaker 13 (09:47):
MSNBC, which we'll be talking about shortly. Their ratings are
worse than the Food Channel and the Hallmark Channel. Now
that's saying something. And he appeared to choke back tears
over the resignation of f be A director Christopher Ray.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
This is such a sad day. We're not going to
control the tetry anymore.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
I think it's going to be very difficult, and I'm
very disappointed that Director Ray decided to resign. I think
Director Ray has carried out his responsibilities with integrity professionalism
during very difficult and challenging times over the last seven years.
And he was appointed to a ten year term and
he accepted a ten year term, and right now his
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decision to leave tends to legitimize what Donald Trump is
doing in terms of pointing someone else. I don't think
it would be any problem if he stayed in place
and had Donald Trump remove him. I mean that certainly
is a presidence prodactive even though there is a ten
year term on the FBI director role. But by doing this,
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I do think it's going to leave the men and
women of the FBI sort.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Of wondering what their future is going to look like, particularly.
Speaker 10 (11:01):
If somebody like kash Patel, a real sycophanto Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
Is actually going to get through the confirmation process.
Speaker 10 (11:08):
So, although I respect Director Ray and I'm sure that
his decision was based on how he evaluated the impact
on the bureau and the workforce, I just think that
was a decision that should not have been made at
this point and he should have stayed through the transition
to the administration.
Speaker 13 (11:27):
Tells you everything that he is concerned about the people
in the FBI. That's where his loyalty is. They think
they're more important than you are. They're worried they won't
have the run of the place. This is the same
mindset in Syria when Asad falls, or in Libya when
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Kadafi falls, or in Iraq or the Bath Party.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You see, when you've.
Speaker 13 (11:54):
Been terrorizing the country, you're concerned about your own little
group if y'all aren't allowed to be the dictators anymore.
Former Deputy director of the FBI Andrew McCabe told CNN's
Caitlin Collins that he fears the FBI's political independence may
be over. I want to be very clear, there has
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been no political independence.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
At the FBI.
Speaker 13 (12:19):
The FBI has been the most powerful organization in this
country with zero accountability, and they have terrorized Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And you refused to lose.
Speaker 13 (12:32):
And that's why Trump's coming in and they're scared to death,
and you know what, that's exactly how I want it
to be.
Speaker 14 (12:41):
His decision tonight to announce that he's stepping down, not
today but before January twentieth. Do you think he did
the right thing or do you think he should have
made Trump fire him?
Speaker 5 (12:51):
You know, I think I think Director A. A did
an honorable job of leading the FBI through some very
tough times. And I'm sure he has his own reasons
for going in the way that he announced today, But
I believe very strongly that the principle of FBI independence
is worth defending, and in this moment, the way to
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best defend that principle this post Watergate reform that has
been the core of the FBI for the last fifty years,
the FBI that the American people rely upon, the FBI
that's independent from politics. The best way to defend that
principle would be to remain in his position and force
the president.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
To fire him. So you think you should have stayed.
I do, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 14 (13:33):
And what does it mean now that he did it?
Because I was talking to someone today who said, this
idea of independent FBI directors or you know, the next
president leaves the former FBI director in place is over,
because I mean, if cash Till's confirmed, if a Democrats
elected in four years, I think it's hard for people
to see that they would potentially keep.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Him in place, it may very well be over. And
that's really a crushing thing to FBI people. The culture
the FBI has long seen itself and for good reason,
is being very different than every other government agency. And
one of the reasons for that was because of their
storied independence. Independence that's really was legislated by Congress with
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the ten year term for the FBI director. And I
you know, I fear that what we're on the precipice
now is the complete walking back of those fifty years
of reforms in the postcouver FBI.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
These people are so delusional, it really is. It is.
Speaker 13 (14:41):
Staggering how delusional they are. Clip number five O for
remon if you wouldn't. This is Christopher Ray telling the
World Economic Forum, what's he even doing there in Davos,
that the FBI is making quote great strides with the
private sector. What he means is this is fascism. The
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government controls the corporations, and the corporations are their agent
in terrorizing You listen to this.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And I think the sophistication of the private sector is improving,
and particularly important, the level of collaboration between the private
sector and the government, especially the FBI, has I think
made significant strides pretty much every technology we could talk
about today, we see both great opportunity but great dangers
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in the wrong hands.
Speaker 13 (15:38):
These people use fear mongering. These people use what manners
most to you, safety and security, consistency, continuity, against.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You as a tool.
Speaker 13 (15:56):
They also use sexual scandals, but we'll get to that
in just a moment. These are not good people, and
this is unfortunate because I've known men still do. I've
known many g men. I've known FBI agent dea agenc,
secret service, you name it, and they the top ranks
have been corrupted by evil.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Skeltrel Captain something wong, Well, something must be right.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You're listening to Michael Berry. Let's take a.
Speaker 13 (16:24):
Look back that Christopher Ray's tenure as the FBI director
and see why Trump wants him out.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Not that we owe him anything, but I want you
to understand.
Speaker 13 (16:34):
You know, Trump has shown incredible restraint if you think
about it, for what these people have done to him.
Christopher Ray's agency had the Hunter Biden laptop almost a
year before the New York Post article.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
What did they do with that laptop? Before you ever
knew about it?
Speaker 13 (16:53):
They sent agents to social media companies to warn them
that that laptop, that what was on that line laptop,
it was all fake. It was Russian disinformation. Don't post it.
If you do, you'll be allowing the Russians to run
our country. You don't believe me. Here is Facebook founder
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Mark Zuckerberg telling Joe Rogan how the FBI approached his
company back in twenty twenty and said, do not post
about that laptop. Ironically, the pardon of Hunter Biden in
the last few days, it was a pardon for the
crimes laid out on that laptop.
Speaker 11 (17:38):
How do you guys handle things when they're a big
news item that's controversial, Like there was a lot of
attention on Twitter during the election because of the Hunter
Biden laptop story, the neueos.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, so you guys censored that as well.
Speaker 15 (17:55):
So we took a different path than Twitter. I mean
basically the background here is the FBI I think basically
came to us some folks on our team. It was like, hey,
just so you know, like you should be.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
On high alert.
Speaker 15 (18:08):
There was we thought that there was a lot of
Russian propaganda in the twenty sixteen election. We have on
notice that basically there's about to be some kind of
dump of that's similar to that, so just be vigilant.
So our protocol is different from Twitter's. What Twitter did
is they said you can't share this at all. We
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didn't do that. What we do is we have if something.
Speaker 13 (18:35):
Is all in all, It's important to note that was
Jack Dorsey's Twitter at the time.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
That's not Elon's approach. I just I don't want you
to think that Elon was involved in that.
Speaker 15 (18:44):
Right, go ahead if something has reported to us as
potentially misinformation important misinformation. We also have this third party
fact checking program because we don't want to be deciding
what's true and false. And for the I think it
was five or seven days when it was basically being
being determined whether it was false. The distribution on Facebook
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was decreased, but people are still allowed to share it,
so you could still share it, you could still consume it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Say the distribution has decreased.
Speaker 15 (19:17):
It got shared basically the ranking and news feed was
a little bit less, so fewer people saw it than
would have otherwise.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
So it definitely by what percentage.
Speaker 15 (19:27):
I don't know off the top of my head, but
it's it's it's meaningful, but I mean, but basically a
a lot of people are still able to share it.
We got a lot of complaints that that was the case.
You know, obviously this is a hyper political issue, so
depending on what side of the political spectrum, you either
think we didn't censor it enough or censored it way
too much. But we weren't sort of as black and
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white about it as Twitter. We just kind of thought, hey,
look if the FBI, which I still view as a
legitimate institution in this country, it's a very professional law,
that's just it.
Speaker 13 (20:00):
That's why they need you to believe they are a
legitimate institution because then you'll go, well, the FBI wouldn't
be protecting Hunter Biden. They're the FBI, They're in all
the movies.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
What if they are?
Speaker 13 (20:17):
Well, the New York Times in Washington Post wouldn't lie
about it. I mean, democracy dies in darkness. This is
the New York Times in the Washington Post, the blue
blood newspapers. They wouldn't be skewing the news for what
what happens when they do what happens at the moment
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where you realize that the people you trusted most, the
credibility that they had, they were willing to trade in
exchange for owning you. This one time. You remember in
Braveheart where William Wallace the people who worked the land
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fought the war and they were beating the English king Longshanks,
and who would benefit most the Scottish noblemen. So the
Scottish noblemen had their armies that they controlled. These these
men were out there fighting like enlisted men, fighting for
their homeland of Scotland, and the Scottish nobles who would
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be behind them on their horses with their cavalry, and
they had the big armies that they would pay that
which were the you know, sophisticated, you know, the guys
with the heavy equipment. And then William Wallace realizes that
the king cut the deal with the Scottish nobles and said,
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you guys, turn and leave. When the battle starts, we'll
kill off your commoners in exchange, we'll give you extra
lands because we have to win this war.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
We have to destroy your people.
Speaker 13 (21:57):
And William Wallace pulls a man off a horse and
puts a knife to his neck who's fighting against him,
and realizes this is Robert the Bruce. This is the
son of the top scotsman. They traded us, they compromised us,
they betrayed us, and Robert the Bruce goes back and
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tells his father, I can never do that again, because
what those men fight for is honor and decency.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
What we fight for is lands. You remember that moment.
We must have a lion with England to prevail here.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
He achieved that he saved your family in christian Land.
In time he level the power discussion. Thanks titles men
power nothing nothing. I have nothing, and fight for me,
because if they do not, I throw them off my
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land and I starve their wives and their children. Those
men who bled the ground did folk cook.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
They fought for William Wallison. He fights for something that
I've never.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Had, and I took it from him when I betrayed him,
and I saw it in his face on the battlefield,
and it's tearing me apot.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Om in betray all, lose hot. I want to.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
Believe as he does, I'll never be on the wrong
side again.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And that's just it. The Christopher Raise, the John Brennans,
the CNN's, MSNBC's, they do what they do for power
and money and glory. And what they can't understand is you.
Speaker 13 (23:42):
How can you work in a plant all day, get off,
get in your truck, got sand in your butt crack,
haven't showered all day, You're exhausted, your back hurts. You
don't make the money they do, and you're tuning in
to hear me talk about so you can think about
the direction of this country. And you don't stand to
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gain a personal dime from your activism because you're principled.
You're a saint to them, a crazed saint. They don't
understand you. And this is why people like that assume
that whatever someone does, they do it with the worst motive.
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When someone says, oh, that guy, he's you know, he's
handing out turkeys to the poor. He's probably in trouble
and trying to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
That's a person with a dark heart.
Speaker 13 (24:36):
The people who assume the worst in other people know
that inside their heart they are dark. Now, mind you
what's fascinating about that Zuckerberg interview on Rogan when he
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said the FBI came to him and said, hey, that
Hunter's y'all, don't allow anybody to post about that.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's the Russians who made that story help.
Speaker 13 (25:04):
The same FBI would use the same laptop years later
in their case against Hunter Biden. Listeners often ask me,
why did they protect Hunter Biden then prosecute Hunter Biden's
important to understand this. They protected Hunter Biden because they
needed to to help Joe Biden win in twenty twenty
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because even though they cheated to get the numbers they needed,
they still needed some people to vote for Biden. They
didn't want everybody to leave it. That's what Trump pointed
out in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It was too big to rig.
Speaker 13 (25:39):
They would have liked to have cheated before, and if
it had been close enough, they could have gotten away
with it. They did cheat, but it was too big
to rig. Why did they prosecute him later. They had
to have a parallel course going that they were working
to help him get reelected at the very time that
they're working, so that when they need him to step
down ten minutes later, they can walk in and smother him.
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Twenty fifth amendment, you've got to step down. You ever
saw them think about what made Joe Biden step down.
They couldn't really use the twenty fifth amendment that he's incapacitated.
You realize that, right, that's what people tell you. They
threatened him with the twenty fifth. They couldn't do that
because they'd been telling you hours before that he was
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perfectly fine, sharp as attack went to G seven a
matter of days before, and everybody said he was the
best guy there, Blink and Mayor, because all of them
were on record, Kamala Harris, it will never happen that
he has to be replaced. He's the best, he's the smartest,
he's he's better today than we've ever seen. Right, They
had to have Joe Biden agree to step down when
they were ready to have him step down, but to
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build the case would take a while. They had to
have the case ready so that he they're sweating him
out so that when the time came to sweat him out,
they could go, look, Hunter Biden's going to prison. It's
not our fault, has the case. US attorney's prosecuting it.
So they would take the same laptop that they had
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argued when they needed it not to have anything on it,
to say it has nothing on it. The same laptop
was used as evidence in trial against Hunter, and it
was the fear that they are going to prosecute Hunter
that led Joe Biden to step down.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
These people are diabolical. You've got to be willing to.
Speaker 13 (27:28):
Assume the worst to understand what they're doing, because it's
not what you would do, and you don't know anybody
who would do this. They don't behave like normal people.
By the way, it wasn't just a Hunter Biden laptop
that the FBI pressured social media companies about. They were
holding weekly meetings with Twitter. This was before Elon owned
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it to go over individual posts on their platform. So
if you ever noticed that it felt like you were
being shadow band or slowed down, that was happening. The
FBI was making back channel meetings. They would show up
over there and go, hey, we don't like that Michael
Barry is saying that Hunter's laptop is this.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
We don't like that.
Speaker 13 (28:09):
They're pointing out that Joe Biden fell over. Take this down,
and take this down, and take this down, and take
this down. This is Congressman Harriet Hageman, Republican from Wyoming,
and she's questioning FBI Director Christopher Ray.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
He knows exactly what's happening.
Speaker 12 (28:27):
May know there is a preliminary injunction that's been entered prior.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
To the preliminary injunction where these weekly meetings taking place.
Speaker 12 (28:34):
I don't know if weekly meetings occur again before the injunction,
but certainly we've been and we've been very open about this,
engaged with.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Does the FBI intend to continue to have such meetings
leading up to the twenty twenty four election to police
election related speech?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, we're not going to be policing.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
That's what you've been, that's what you previously did.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I do not agree with that. To disgree, Kay, Well,
here's what I would say.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
This committee has learned that the FBI acted to quote
discredit leaked information about Hunter Biden before and after it
was published that quote. Twitter's contact with the FBI was
constant and pervasive as if it were a subsidiary. And
that quote A surprisingly high number are requests by the
FBI for Twitter to take down on action take action
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on election misinformation, even involving joke tweets from low follower accounts.
Are you aware that that has been reported?
Speaker 12 (29:28):
I am aware of some of what the committee has
found in its repetwork, but I will add that I'm
not sure I agree with the findings, but that's what
we found.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
A director way, you and I both know that the
federal government is forbidden from doing indirectly what it cannot
do directly. In other words, neither you nor the FBI
have any legal authority to circumvent the First Amendment by
using a surrogate to do your dirty work.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yet that is exactly what you have been doing.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
The Bureau under your watch has been using proxies to
violate the First Amendment. Were you the person who gave
the orders to use the social media companies to violate
the First violate American's First Amendment rights?
Speaker 12 (30:10):
Again, I don't agree with your description of our engagements.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
So who did you come to?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
So who made the decision to use social media companies
as a proxy? To suppress the First Amendment rights of American.
Speaker 12 (30:22):
Citizens, because I don't believe that's what we did. I'm
not sure there's anyone that would have made such a decision.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Do you really expect the American public to believe that
you were not involved in the decisions related to using
social media companies to suppress the First Amendment rights of
American citizens.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
I can't help what people will believe or not. I
can only speak to what the facts are.
Speaker 16 (30:41):
Christopher Ray is an awful human being who allow, at
a minimum, allowed terrible things to happen. At a minimum,
allowed terrible things to happen. And let us not forget
because January sixth is all of this. People wish we'd
stop talking about January sixth, that's just it. We're not
going to We're not going to stop talking about January sixth.
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Jews will never stop talking about the Holocaust, no matter
how much some people don't want to hear them talk
about it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
The Armenians will never.
Speaker 13 (31:13):
Start stop talking about their massacre. These things will never
say you cannot stop talking about it lest people forget
the FBI agents embedded in the crowd on January sixth.
This is Congressman Daryl Issa from California talking to Christopher Ray.
Speaker 9 (31:34):
How many individuals were either FBI employees or people that
the FBI had made contact with were in the January
sixth entry of the Capitol and surrounding area.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
So I really need to be careful here talking about
where we have or have not used confidential human sources.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Was there one or more?
Speaker 9 (31:57):
Was there one or more individuals that would fit that
discret on January sixth.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That were in or around the Capitol.
Speaker 12 (32:03):
I believe there is a filing in one of the
January sixth cases that can provide a little more information
about this, and I'm happy to see if we can
follow back uple years.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
I just want an answer, was there one or more?
I mean, you would know if there was at least
one individual who worked for the FBI who entered the
Capitol on that day.
Speaker 12 (32:20):
I can't Again, I just can't speak to that here,
but I'm happy to get the court filing that it's.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Been two years and you're now come before us. The
gentleman asked these questions, makes all kinds of insinuations, and
you nod your head yes, and then I ask you, simply,
was there one or more and you won't answer that.
So I'm going to make the assumption that there was
more than one, more than five, more than ten, and
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that you're ducking the question because you don't want to
answer for the fact that you had at least one.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
That's exactly right, That is exactly right. Bravo.
It's that time time time, time, walking load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Are you going to fire the current FBI director, Christopher Ray?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Who you appointed?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Well, I can't say I'm thrilled with he invaded my home.
I'm suing the country over it. He invaded Marlangot.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Jack.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
Don't the FBI director just resigned. Christopher Ray announced a
moment ago that he will leave by the end of
the current administration, three years before the end of his
ten year term.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Don't you come back?
Speaker 7 (01:00):
I don't you come back?
Speaker 8 (01:01):
No?
Speaker 9 (01:04):
Hit the room.
Speaker 10 (01:05):
I don't you come back?
Speaker 8 (01:06):
No more?
Speaker 9 (01:07):
No more?
Speaker 7 (01:08):
No hit the room, and don't.
Speaker 11 (01:11):
You come back.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
After weeks of careful thought, I've decided the right thing
for the bureau is for me to serve until the end.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Of the current.
Speaker 12 (01:23):
Administration in January, and then stepped down.
Speaker 7 (01:26):
Well, I yes, give me you say so, I'll have
to tame the thing that's get the room.
Speaker 8 (01:33):
Don't you come back?
Speaker 7 (01:34):
No more?
Speaker 12 (01:35):
No more?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I get the room.
Speaker 10 (01:39):
I don't you come back?
Speaker 9 (01:42):
What you hear the room?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I know you come back?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
No more, no more.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
I hit the room and don't you come back?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, don't you come back? What you said? You come back,
I'll understand it.
Speaker 8 (01:59):
Come back.
Speaker 13 (02:01):
So Christopher Ray announced yesterday that he was resigning.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
That's cute. He was gone.
Speaker 13 (02:12):
Cash Fattel will be the new FBI director, and as
President Trump has made very clear, Christopher Ray would not
be allowed to stay.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Now.
Speaker 13 (02:23):
One of the reasons I read your emails is to
understand what's on your mind. And one of the things
that keeps coming up because you're hearing this on evening
news is I thought the FBI director got a ten
year term. That's not how that works. And let me
explain that this is something that I'm not sure people
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don't understand, or they do understand, and they're misconstruing it
on purpose to their own end. But my guess is
they don't understand. You have to understand, first of all,
j Edgar Hoover was the very long time FBI director.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I think it was thirty seven years. I might be wrong.
I think it was thirty seven years.
Speaker 13 (03:09):
He became the most powerful man in the country, and
the way he did that was to take his agency
and he would tell the presidents to whom he was
a counselor, hey, i'm your guy, I'm going to dig
up dirt on your enemies.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm going to give you what you need.
Speaker 13 (03:30):
I'm going to give your campaign what they need to
keep anybody from ever being able to challenge you. This
is very much the Rasputant approach to the Czar in Russia.
I'm going to make myself indispensable to you as a
person who can make you stronger and more powerful. The
problem is that person themselves become the wielder of power.
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There is a an old maxim that it is better
to be a king maker than a king, because kings
are assassinated and the king maker holds the power.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, look at Joe Biden.
Speaker 13 (04:15):
You know that Joe Biden hadn't been the president for
all intents and purposes, by which I mean determining major
policy issues, military issues.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He was just a guy. They rolled out there to
fall asleep or pooh or fall over.
Speaker 13 (04:31):
The persons who were controlling the country are people not
seen by you, Army. Now, the FBI director, JEdgar Hoover
was a vile individual, and it's very telling that the
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FBI headquarters is named for him. But Hoover began at
an FBI that was not so powerful, and he made
him so very useful. To presidents, and he would grow
his budget year after year. But what he did in
the process was he also investigated the presidents in, every
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member of Congress, every Supreme Court justice, and Martin Luther
King Junior and everyone else. And they would use that
information to blackmail, They would use that information to extort,
they would use that information to intimidate, so members of
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Congress were scared to death of him. And then in
the nineteen sixty eight Omnibus Crime Control Act, which eventually
it was in nineteen seventy six, in response to the
Hoover phenomenon, we can never let this happen again because
we don't run the country.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
He does.
Speaker 13 (05:55):
So the idea was an FBI's FBI directors would be
limited to ten years. But it's not a ten year term,
it's a ten year cap. You see, the FBI director
serves at the pleasure of the president like most everyone else.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So this idea.
Speaker 13 (06:22):
That the FBI director gets to be there for ten years.
You're going to hear a lot of crazy things now
that Trump is president. You're gonna hear things said that
you've never heard before. And they're going to say, oh,
the Constitution says, oh, the losses. It's all bull We're
going to do exactly what they've been doing, and that
is what we want to do. And we're not going
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to be limited. We're not going to be hamstrung. And
if Joni Earnst or John Cornan or Mitch McConnell or
someone else will not approve cabinet secretaries, we are going
to rain down hell upon them, because that's what you do.
You worked hard to win this election. Now the things
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that were promised you are going to be delivered you,
and Donald Trump has every intention to do so.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So here we are.
Speaker 13 (07:18):
Old Christopher Ray, the man who terrorized Donald Trump, a
man who Republicans thought was our friend. We thought he
was one of our guys. And this is one of
the oddest quirks of living in the era when we
do is this is the moment, the transformative moment, where
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we've come to understand that the Republicans we worked so
hard to elect, the Bushes and the Cheneese, the Romney's
and the Mitch McConnell's and John Cornyn's, they hate us,
but they never had need to cut us until we
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came after their power. When we realized that they've been
playing us all this time. And that crazy old Ron
Paul that was over there that everyone laughed at because
he was talking about doing away with the FBI. It
turns out there was your savant, there was your Doda
all along.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Michael Berry's show power is an amazing thing.
Speaker 13 (08:33):
They cannot be exercised democratically. When someone takes more than
their share of power, they take it from other people.
Our deep state has taken the power you have over
your own country without the consent of the government. Most
of these people you don't even know who they are.
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Think about that, most of these people operate in the shadow,
on your payroll, with your weaponry, with your equipment. Now
I understand some people get all lathered up excited because
they're spy novel people and they like the idea that
our government has all his power and you're not allowed
to know who has it. Well, then who does the
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people have the power? And that must be fought for constantly.
Haven't you seen Brave Heart not funny? Ramon Cia director
John Brennan is an awful human being.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Awful human being.
Speaker 13 (09:34):
He's one of those guys that believe that the peasants
shouldn't have any power, and he can decide which country's
leaders to topple and what he wants to do, and
you're too stupid to know any better.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And he hates Trump. Well, he was on.
Speaker 13 (09:47):
MSNBC, which we'll be talking about shortly. Their ratings are
worse than the Food Channel and the Hallmark Channel. Now
that's saying something. And he appeared to choke back tears
over the resignation of f be A director Christopher Ray.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
This is such a sad day. We're not going to
control the tetry anymore.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
I think it's going to be very difficult, and I'm
very disappointed that Director Ray decided to resign. I think
Director Ray has carried out his responsibilities with integrity professionalism
during very difficult and challenging times over the last seven years.
And he was appointed to a ten year term and
he accepted a ten year term, and right now his
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decision to leave tends to legitimize what Donald Trump is
doing in terms of pointing someone else. I don't think
it would be any problem if he stayed in place
and had Donald Trump remove him. I mean that certainly
is a presidence prodactive even though there is a ten
year term on the FBI director role. But by doing this,
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I do think it's going to leave the men and
women of the FBI sort.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Of wondering what their future is going to look like, particularly.
Speaker 10 (11:01):
If somebody like kash Patel, a real sycophanto Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
Is actually going to get through the confirmation process.
Speaker 10 (11:08):
So, although I respect Director Ray and I'm sure that
his decision was based on how he evaluated the impact
on the bureau and the workforce, I just think that
was a decision that should not have been made at
this point and he should have stayed through the transition
to the administration.
Speaker 13 (11:27):
Tells you everything that he is concerned about the people
in the FBI. That's where his loyalty is. They think
they're more important than you are. They're worried they won't
have the run of the place. This is the same
mindset in Syria when Asad falls, or in Libya when
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Kadafi falls, or in Iraq or the Bath Party.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You see, when you've.
Speaker 13 (11:54):
Been terrorizing the country, you're concerned about your own little
group if y'all aren't allowed to be the dictators anymore.
Former Deputy director of the FBI Andrew McCabe told CNN's
Caitlin Collins that he fears the FBI's political independence may
be over. I want to be very clear, there has
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been no political independence.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
At the FBI.
Speaker 13 (12:19):
The FBI has been the most powerful organization in this
country with zero accountability, and they have terrorized Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And you refused to lose.
Speaker 13 (12:32):
And that's why Trump's coming in and they're scared to death,
and you know what, that's exactly how I want it
to be.
Speaker 14 (12:41):
His decision tonight to announce that he's stepping down, not
today but before January twentieth. Do you think he did
the right thing or do you think he should have
made Trump fire him?
Speaker 5 (12:51):
You know, I think I think Director A. A did
an honorable job of leading the FBI through some very
tough times. And I'm sure he has his own reasons
for going in the way that he announced today, But
I believe very strongly that the principle of FBI independence
is worth defending, and in this moment, the way to
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best defend that principle this post Watergate reform that has
been the core of the FBI for the last fifty years,
the FBI that the American people rely upon, the FBI
that's independent from politics. The best way to defend that
principle would be to remain in his position and force
the president.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
To fire him. So you think you should have stayed.
I do, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 14 (13:33):
And what does it mean now that he did it?
Because I was talking to someone today who said, this
idea of independent FBI directors or you know, the next
president leaves the former FBI director in place is over,
because I mean, if cash Till's confirmed, if a Democrats
elected in four years, I think it's hard for people
to see that they would potentially keep.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Him in place, it may very well be over. And
that's really a crushing thing to FBI people. The culture
the FBI has long seen itself and for good reason,
is being very different than every other government agency. And
one of the reasons for that was because of their
storied independence. Independence that's really was legislated by Congress with
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the ten year term for the FBI director. And I
you know, I fear that what we're on the precipice
now is the complete walking back of those fifty years
of reforms in the postcouver FBI.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
These people are so delusional, it really is. It is.
Speaker 13 (14:41):
Staggering how delusional they are. Clip number five O for
remon if you wouldn't. This is Christopher Ray telling the
World Economic Forum, what's he even doing there in Davos,
that the FBI is making quote great strides with the
private sector. What he means is this is fascism. The
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government controls the corporations, and the corporations are their agent
in terrorizing You listen to this.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And I think the sophistication of the private sector is improving,
and particularly important, the level of collaboration between the private
sector and the government, especially the FBI, has I think
made significant strides pretty much every technology we could talk
about today, we see both great opportunity but great dangers
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in the wrong hands.
Speaker 13 (15:38):
These people use fear mongering. These people use what manners
most to you, safety and security, consistency, continuity, against.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You as a tool.
Speaker 13 (15:56):
They also use sexual scandals, but we'll get to that
in just a moment. These are not good people, and
this is unfortunate because I've known men still do. I've
known many g men. I've known FBI agent dea agenc,
secret service, you name it, and they the top ranks
have been corrupted by evil.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Skeltrel Captain something wong, Well, something must be right.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You're listening to Michael Berry. Let's take a.
Speaker 13 (16:24):
Look back that Christopher Ray's tenure as the FBI director
and see why Trump wants him out.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Not that we owe him anything, but I want you
to understand.
Speaker 13 (16:34):
You know, Trump has shown incredible restraint if you think
about it, for what these people have done to him.
Christopher Ray's agency had the Hunter Biden laptop almost a
year before the New York Post article.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
What did they do with that laptop? Before you ever
knew about it?
Speaker 13 (16:53):
They sent agents to social media companies to warn them
that that laptop, that what was on that line laptop,
it was all fake. It was Russian disinformation. Don't post it.
If you do, you'll be allowing the Russians to run
our country. You don't believe me. Here is Facebook founder
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Mark Zuckerberg telling Joe Rogan how the FBI approached his
company back in twenty twenty and said, do not post
about that laptop. Ironically, the pardon of Hunter Biden in
the last few days, it was a pardon for the
crimes laid out on that laptop.
Speaker 11 (17:38):
How do you guys handle things when they're a big
news item that's controversial, Like there was a lot of
attention on Twitter during the election because of the Hunter
Biden laptop story, the neueos.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, so you guys censored that as well.
Speaker 15 (17:55):
So we took a different path than Twitter. I mean
basically the background here is the FBI I think basically
came to us some folks on our team. It was like, hey,
just so you know, like you should be.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
On high alert.
Speaker 15 (18:08):
There was we thought that there was a lot of
Russian propaganda in the twenty sixteen election. We have on
notice that basically there's about to be some kind of
dump of that's similar to that, so just be vigilant.
So our protocol is different from Twitter's. What Twitter did
is they said you can't share this at all. We
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didn't do that. What we do is we have if something.
Speaker 13 (18:35):
Is all in all, It's important to note that was
Jack Dorsey's Twitter at the time.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
That's not Elon's approach. I just I don't want you
to think that Elon was involved in that.
Speaker 15 (18:44):
Right, go ahead if something has reported to us as
potentially misinformation important misinformation. We also have this third party
fact checking program because we don't want to be deciding
what's true and false. And for the I think it
was five or seven days when it was basically being
being determined whether it was false. The distribution on Facebook
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was decreased, but people are still allowed to share it,
so you could still share it, you could still consume it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Say the distribution has decreased.
Speaker 15 (19:17):
It got shared basically the ranking and news feed was
a little bit less, so fewer people saw it than
would have otherwise.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
So it definitely by what percentage.
Speaker 15 (19:27):
I don't know off the top of my head, but
it's it's it's meaningful, but I mean, but basically a
a lot of people are still able to share it.
We got a lot of complaints that that was the case.
You know, obviously this is a hyper political issue, so
depending on what side of the political spectrum, you either
think we didn't censor it enough or censored it way
too much. But we weren't sort of as black and
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white about it as Twitter. We just kind of thought, hey,
look if the FBI, which I still view as a
legitimate institution in this country, it's a very professional law,
that's just it.
Speaker 13 (20:00):
That's why they need you to believe they are a
legitimate institution because then you'll go, well, the FBI wouldn't
be protecting Hunter Biden. They're the FBI, They're in all
the movies.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
What if they are?
Speaker 13 (20:17):
Well, the New York Times in Washington Post wouldn't lie
about it. I mean, democracy dies in darkness. This is
the New York Times in the Washington Post, the blue
blood newspapers. They wouldn't be skewing the news for what
what happens when they do what happens at the moment
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where you realize that the people you trusted most, the
credibility that they had, they were willing to trade in
exchange for owning you. This one time. You remember in
Braveheart where William Wallace the people who worked the land
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fought the war and they were beating the English king Longshanks,
and who would benefit most the Scottish noblemen. So the
Scottish noblemen had their armies that they controlled. These these
men were out there fighting like enlisted men, fighting for
their homeland of Scotland, and the Scottish nobles who would
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be behind them on their horses with their cavalry, and
they had the big armies that they would pay that
which were the you know, sophisticated, you know, the guys
with the heavy equipment. And then William Wallace realizes that
the king cut the deal with the Scottish nobles and said,
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you guys, turn and leave. When the battle starts, we'll
kill off your commoners in exchange, we'll give you extra
lands because we have to win this war.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
We have to destroy your people.
Speaker 13 (21:57):
And William Wallace pulls a man off a horse and
puts a knife to his neck who's fighting against him,
and realizes this is Robert the Bruce. This is the
son of the top scotsman. They traded us, they compromised us,
they betrayed us, and Robert the Bruce goes back and
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tells his father, I can never do that again, because
what those men fight for is honor and decency.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
What we fight for is lands. You remember that moment.
We must have a lion with England to prevail here.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
He achieved that he saved your family in christian Land.
In time he level the power discussion. Thanks titles men
power nothing nothing. I have nothing, and fight for me,
because if they do not, I throw them off my
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land and I starve their wives and their children. Those
men who bled the ground did folk cook.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
They fought for William Wallison. He fights for something that
I've never.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Had, and I took it from him when I betrayed him,
and I saw it in his face on the battlefield,
and it's tearing me apot.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Om in betray all, lose hot. I want to.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
Believe as he does, I'll never be on the wrong
side again.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And that's just it. The Christopher Raise, the John Brennans,
the CNN's, MSNBC's, they do what they do for power
and money and glory. And what they can't understand is you.
Speaker 13 (23:42):
How can you work in a plant all day, get off,
get in your truck, got sand in your butt crack,
haven't showered all day, You're exhausted, your back hurts. You
don't make the money they do, and you're tuning in
to hear me talk about so you can think about
the direction of this country. And you don't stand to
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gain a personal dime from your activism because you're principled.
You're a saint to them, a crazed saint. They don't
understand you. And this is why people like that assume
that whatever someone does, they do it with the worst motive.
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When someone says, oh, that guy, he's you know, he's
handing out turkeys to the poor. He's probably in trouble
and trying to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
That's a person with a dark heart.
Speaker 13 (24:36):
The people who assume the worst in other people know
that inside their heart they are dark. Now, mind you
what's fascinating about that Zuckerberg interview on Rogan when he
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said the FBI came to him and said, hey, that
Hunter's y'all, don't allow anybody to post about that.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
That's the Russians who made that story help.
Speaker 13 (25:04):
The same FBI would use the same laptop years later
in their case against Hunter Biden. Listeners often ask me,
why did they protect Hunter Biden then prosecute Hunter Biden's
important to understand this. They protected Hunter Biden because they
needed to to help Joe Biden win in twenty twenty
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because even though they cheated to get the numbers they needed,
they still needed some people to vote for Biden. They
didn't want everybody to leave it. That's what Trump pointed
out in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It was too big to rig.
Speaker 13 (25:39):
They would have liked to have cheated before, and if
it had been close enough, they could have gotten away
with it. They did cheat, but it was too big
to rig. Why did they prosecute him later. They had
to have a parallel course going that they were working
to help him get reelected at the very time that
they're working, so that when they need him to step
down ten minutes later, they can walk in and smother him.
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Twenty fifth amendment, you've got to step down. You ever
saw them think about what made Joe Biden step down.
They couldn't really use the twenty fifth amendment that he's incapacitated.
You realize that, right, that's what people tell you. They
threatened him with the twenty fifth. They couldn't do that
because they'd been telling you hours before that he was
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perfectly fine, sharp as attack went to G seven a
matter of days before, and everybody said he was the
best guy there, Blink and Mayor, because all of them
were on record, Kamala Harris, it will never happen that
he has to be replaced. He's the best, he's the smartest,
he's he's better today than we've ever seen. Right, They
had to have Joe Biden agree to step down when
they were ready to have him step down, but to
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build the case would take a while. They had to
have the case ready so that he they're sweating him
out so that when the time came to sweat him out,
they could go, look, Hunter Biden's going to prison. It's
not our fault, has the case. US attorney's prosecuting it.
So they would take the same laptop that they had
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argued when they needed it not to have anything on it,
to say it has nothing on it. The same laptop
was used as evidence in trial against Hunter, and it
was the fear that they are going to prosecute Hunter
that led Joe Biden to step down.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
These people are diabolical. You've got to be willing to.
Speaker 13 (27:28):
Assume the worst to understand what they're doing, because it's
not what you would do, and you don't know anybody
who would do this. They don't behave like normal people.
By the way, it wasn't just a Hunter Biden laptop
that the FBI pressured social media companies about. They were
holding weekly meetings with Twitter. This was before Elon owned
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it to go over individual posts on their platform. So
if you ever noticed that it felt like you were
being shadow band or slowed down, that was happening. The
FBI was making back channel meetings. They would show up
over there and go, hey, we don't like that Michael
Barry is saying that Hunter's laptop is this.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
We don't like that.
Speaker 13 (28:09):
They're pointing out that Joe Biden fell over. Take this down,
and take this down, and take this down, and take
this down. This is Congressman Harriet Hageman, Republican from Wyoming,
and she's questioning FBI Director Christopher Ray.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
He knows exactly what's happening.
Speaker 12 (28:27):
May know there is a preliminary injunction that's been entered prior.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
To the preliminary injunction where these weekly meetings taking place.
Speaker 12 (28:34):
I don't know if weekly meetings occur again before the injunction,
but certainly we've been and we've been very open about this,
engaged with.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Does the FBI intend to continue to have such meetings
leading up to the twenty twenty four election to police
election related speech?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, we're not going to be policing.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
That's what you've been, that's what you previously did.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I do not agree with that. To disgree, Kay, Well,
here's what I would say.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
This committee has learned that the FBI acted to quote
discredit leaked information about Hunter Biden before and after it
was published that quote. Twitter's contact with the FBI was
constant and pervasive as if it were a subsidiary. And
that quote A surprisingly high number are requests by the
FBI for Twitter to take down on action take action
(29:21):
on election misinformation, even involving joke tweets from low follower accounts.
Are you aware that that has been reported?
Speaker 12 (29:28):
I am aware of some of what the committee has
found in its repetwork, but I will add that I'm
not sure I agree with the findings, but that's what
we found.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
A director way, you and I both know that the
federal government is forbidden from doing indirectly what it cannot
do directly. In other words, neither you nor the FBI
have any legal authority to circumvent the First Amendment by
using a surrogate to do your dirty work.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yet that is exactly what you have been doing.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
The Bureau under your watch has been using proxies to
violate the First Amendment. Were you the person who gave
the orders to use the social media companies to violate
the First violate American's First Amendment rights?
Speaker 12 (30:10):
Again, I don't agree with your description of our engagements.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
So who did you come to?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
So who made the decision to use social media companies
as a proxy? To suppress the First Amendment rights of American.
Speaker 12 (30:22):
Citizens, because I don't believe that's what we did. I'm
not sure there's anyone that would have made such a decision.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Do you really expect the American public to believe that
you were not involved in the decisions related to using
social media companies to suppress the First Amendment rights of
American citizens.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
I can't help what people will believe or not. I
can only speak to what the facts are.
Speaker 16 (30:41):
Christopher Ray is an awful human being who allow, at
a minimum, allowed terrible things to happen. At a minimum,
allowed terrible things to happen. And let us not forget
because January sixth is all of this. People wish we'd
stop talking about January sixth, that's just it. We're not
going to We're not going to stop talking about January sixth.
(31:05):
Jews will never stop talking about the Holocaust, no matter
how much some people don't want to hear them talk
about it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
The Armenians will never.
Speaker 13 (31:13):
Start stop talking about their massacre. These things will never
say you cannot stop talking about it lest people forget
the FBI agents embedded in the crowd on January sixth.
This is Congressman Daryl Issa from California talking to Christopher Ray.
Speaker 9 (31:34):
How many individuals were either FBI employees or people that
the FBI had made contact with were in the January
sixth entry of the Capitol and surrounding area.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
So I really need to be careful here talking about
where we have or have not used confidential human sources.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Was there one or more?
Speaker 9 (31:57):
Was there one or more individuals that would fit that
discret on January sixth.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That were in or around the Capitol.
Speaker 12 (32:03):
I believe there is a filing in one of the
January sixth cases that can provide a little more information
about this, and I'm happy to see if we can
follow back uple years.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
I just want an answer, was there one or more?
I mean, you would know if there was at least
one individual who worked for the FBI who entered the
Capitol on that day.
Speaker 12 (32:20):
I can't Again, I just can't speak to that here,
but I'm happy to get the court filing that it's.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Been two years and you're now come before us. The
gentleman asked these questions, makes all kinds of insinuations, and
you nod your head yes, and then I ask you, simply,
was there one or more and you won't answer that.
So I'm going to make the assumption that there was
more than one, more than five, more than ten, and
(32:45):
that you're ducking the question because you don't want to
answer for the fact that you had at least one.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
That's exactly right, That is exactly right. Bravo.
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