December 31, 2024 • 32 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time, time.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Time, Luck and load.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
He is not pardoning his son, which he could do.
These are federal charges.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
He is not doing that.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
He's not doing it because he is living what it
means to have a rule of law in this country.
And then it isn't I mean, if you want to know,
if he believes it, you could actually see what is
happening with his own son.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
If Biden has lost something with the American people over
the last few years.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's that reminder.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
That he is sort of the opposite of Trump on empathy, right,
He's the opposite of Trump on some of these things.
And I think this verdict their reaction to it versus
how the Trumps have reacted to the rule of law. Certainly,
I think presents that character contrast.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
It.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Let's go get all that and give me the know
and you can't find it, so I.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Can't call just them. I find into So.
Speaker 7 (01:16):
I'm learned to take it well.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Which it just defends myself.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
It just goes for me.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
But that's not the way it feels.
Speaker 7 (01:27):
Joe and Joe Biden, We're so concerned about their family
that they decided to run for president.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
So when you talk about the.
Speaker 7 (01:34):
Word selfish, it's almost like the word doesn't. I mean,
their decision to run for president put the entire Democratic
Party and the United States of America in the position
that it's in.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
That this pardon is just deflating for those of us
who have been out there for a few years now
yelling about what a unique threat Donald Trump is. For
Joe Biden to do something like this.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Nobody's above the low. We've been screaming.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Well, Joe Biden just made clear his son Hunter is
above the law.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
Isn't that.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
They said, let's smoke it all that and kill me
the number and if you can't find it, so I can.
He calls Den, I'm fine, and the show overcomed and
Blue I'm to take it. Well, I don't wish my words.
Just defends myself that it just wasn't read. But that's
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not the way it.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Donald Trump lies every time he opens his mouth. We've
been screaming, Joe Biden repeatedly lied about this. This just
furthers the cynicism that people have about politics, and and
that cynicism strengthens Trump because Trump can just say I'm
not a unique threat.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Everybody does this if I.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Do something for my kid, my son in law, whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Look, Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Does the same.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I get it. But this was a selfish move by Biden,
which politically only strengthens Trump.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's just deflating that lasts the boys.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
It was former Congressman Joe Walsh. Joe Walsh had his
head so far up Donald Trump's, but in the twenty
sixteen election, I was worried he was going to rupture
something on our future president. He, like a number of folks,
glombed on to Trump, I think, with the expectation that
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they would have a position in the administration. This is
very common. These folks will snuggle up to a candidate
and promote them in hopes that it will lead to
their own aggrandizement. When Joe Walsh did not get that,
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he turned on Donald Trump. There's another guy's, silver haired
guy Bill Something, I forget his name.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
He as a.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Radio program and he was the biggest pro Trump guy
there was out there. Now, to be clear, I was
not a Trump guy. I was a Ted Cruz guy.
And for reasons I have explained and will continued to explain,
I did not believe that Trump would turn out to
be the president that he's turned out to be.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I did not believe that.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
I still stand by the decision I made at the time,
based on the review of Trump's body and work prior
to that point, giving money to Democrats, all sorts of things.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I didn't think he would be the president he's turned
out to be.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
I was wrong. I am glad I was wrong. I
would much rather that I have been wrong this eight
years later and be able to say the country is
better for his service. And I worked very hard to
get him reelected twice. I worked to do that twenty
and twenty four and I'm proud of that. I'm going
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to admit I was wrong, and I'm never going to
hide from that. In twenty sixteen, a number of you
turned against me because you believed that I should support
your candidate. And I said, we've reached a point in
the Republic where we can disagree, and I believe ted
Cruz will be a better president than Donald Trump. It
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turned out I was wrong, turned out a number of
people were right. Now I'm okay saying that, but I
find to be odd this group of people who were
the biggest fans of Donald Trump and turned against him.
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What did he not do that he promised he would do.
But it's not and never was about the country. It
was always about them. Kelly and Conway was one of
Ted Cruz's most trusted advisers. She has a very insightful mind,
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brilliant lady, and she was guiding the Cruise campaign when
Cruz stepped out. Donald Trump invited her into his inner
circle and he recognized the talent that is Kelly and
Conway well.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Her husband a lawyer and a bit of a.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Socialite in the salons of Georgetown, in the DC community.
He came on and he really wanted to be the
Attorney General, and if not the Attorney General, then an
advisor to the president. And Donald Trump did not value
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his advice the way he did Kelly and Conway and
George Conway was angered by this, and so he joined
up with this group of ousted Republican consultants like Rick Will,
like the pedophile guy, I forget his name, And they
created the Lincoln Project and they take money from very
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wealthy Democrats to constantly criticize Trump and their trolls. Really
they just they just want to They just want to
muck up the engine as much as they can create
a distraction and a lot of people will spend a
lot of time on them. But it is surprising to
me how many of these people that were big Trump
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supporters turned against Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Oh, he has a big ego. They tell you Trump's
had a big.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Ego since he emerged on the scene in the eighties.
What really happened is they thought that they were going
to get prime position, pride of place, right next to
Donald Trump, and when they didn't, they turned on him. Well,
that tells me you weren't in it for the right reasons.
Anthony scaramoci all of them, and they sound they're like
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a a woman who's been dumped by her man for
his secretary.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
They're so bitter. And you see there's a lot of
them out there.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
You see them out there, and boyd they hell had
no fury like an aspiring Trump supporter who's been scorn.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Story Michael Bay Show on Buflump.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
I was notified earlier today in a listener email. Anybody
can send me an email anywhere in the country, and
I read them all.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I can't reply to them all, but I do read
them all.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
You can go to Michael Berryshow dot com Michael Berryshow
dot com and it says, send Michael an email, and
it said that his friend Sam Minikey had died and
he wasn't sure if I knew Sam Minikey or not,
but that he had passed.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And he told me what a great guy he had been.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
And I didn't know who Monarchy Mufflers was named after.
The company ended up being Minuche Car Care Centers. It's
one of those names that growing up in Southeast Texas,
wasn't there a Merlin also?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Was there Merlin Mufflers.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Don't forget it, But it was a name I didn't
You know a lot of times if you grow up
in an area that has a Dwayne Reid or a
wah Wah, or in Texas at BUCkies, or you know,
New Orleans of Crystal Burger, you don't know that the
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rest of the country doesn't have those, right, especially like
we had Ecker Drugs. Before there was Walgreens and CVS,
we had Ecker Drugs. It was Eckers was the only
kind of big boy pharmaceutical business that was back in
the old days, when there would be a guy where
in what looks like a Wayabetta behind a count and
you could.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Have a burger and a fountain drink, and you know
kind they might.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Have a soda jerk there, give you whatever you want,
whatever concoction a phosphate. He had that funny smell that
I loved. And after you went to the doctor, you
went there, maybe get your burger, and you you know,
you at the stand there, and the owner'd be behind
there and his wife be around the corner, and how
you're doing. And when you left, that'd give you a peppermint.
And and that was how we bought our drugs as
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a kid, back when we called them drugs, and there
wasn't Ecker drugs. And eventually maybe some people transition to
that and the local shop died off. But it's always
funny when you reach an age, whether you move off
when you go to college or the military, or for
your first job, or maybe you moved because your parents moved,
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and you realize that that your little world that you
thought was everybody's world was actually just.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Local to your to your community.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
I like that much better than where we've reached today,
where there's a Starbucks in a Walmart and a Chili's
and really you're just in anywhere everywhere America, and you
lose a lot of the local flavor. We had a
clothing store called Bells, and there were a few around,
but it wasn't national. We had Palais Royal, which was
based out of Houston, but they had a little location
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in Orange. We had some of those little shops. We
had a der Wiener Snitzl. In fact, I remember the
age I was when I discovered I don't remember the age,
but I remember there being a moment where I discovered
that Dairy Queen was a Minnesota based company. I thought
Dairy Queen was as Texas as Texas could be.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Little did I know? How could I know?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So?
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Anyway, the message was, I don't know if you knew
Sam Minikey. I suspect you did. I didn't, but he
passed away, I guess today, And so I looked up
Minikee and it says Minukee Car Centers. Minikee was found
in nineteen seventy one in Houston, Texas by Sam minike
He started the franchise. He started to franchise the name
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in nineteen seventy two with Harold Needell. In nineteen eighty three, GKN,
a multinational British company, bought out Minukee Discount Mufflers. In
nineteen eighty six, the company headquarters moved to Charlotte, North Carolina.
In two thousand and three, they changed the name to
Minukee car Care Centers because I guess you wanted to
expand beyond mufflers. Minikee became a privately held company, no
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longer publicly traded, and it went through. You know, George
Foreman was their spokesman for a number of years, and
they sponsored and they went around this group. Looks like
it was kind of a roll up. They bought in
the Seattle Tacoma area. They bought Watts Autocare Centers, well,
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no Walts Walts Autocare Centers, and I guess they bought
some other words in their nine hundred and ninety six locations. Wow,
that's a big shop, all right. There's something I wanted
to get to. There's a villa named Mark Andresen. He
was a co founder of Netscape, which in its day
was a really big deal, and he is kind of
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the toast of the town in Silicon Valley, although some
people really hate him. He's extraordinarily free thinking and he's
a guy who looks at macro trends on a level
that very few do. Think Elon Musk, He's think Peter Thiel.
These are people who see a lot of devils their
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deal flow, as they call it, across their desk.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Ideas are pitched to them.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Major personalities seek to be in their presence Jeff Beso's
before that, Steve Jobs, and so they see and hear
things that most people don't. Now, it doesn't mean that
they're smarter than anyone else. It does mean that they
have an exposure and if they have an ability to
process sas to analyze and process what's coming through, sometimes
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these folks can give you a very good sense of
what's happening in the country from the most influential players. Well,
he sat down with Joe Rogan, and this is where
Rogan is at his best. It was a long form interview,
and I've been meaning to bring this to you, but
we've had so much breaking news with everything else. Some
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of this take it for what it's worth, and I'm
not saying it's necessarily all true, but some of this
is very important. For instance, he says the social media
policies were a direct assault on free speech. You and
I have experienced this but listen to this.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
There's nothing that happened to Twitter and the Twitter files
that wasn't happening all the other companies, right, So it's
a consistent pattern. If you've got the YouTube files, they
would look exactly the same. And of course we should
get the YouTube file. Sure, and now we probably will
now with you know, this new administration is probably going
to like card all this stuff open. But yeah, I know,
look it was a pattern. And then look, you know,
the company's bear a lot of responsibility and the people
and let me hold.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Yourress their because we're not going to have a chance
to play the full clip here. Trump is going to
ensure and they're going to be battles and they're going
to fight him like you wouldn't believe. I think there'll
be more attempted assassinations. I think there will be more lawfair.
I think there will be intimidation.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
There are lives.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
That are going to be destroyed and should be over
what YouTube has done, what Twitter did before, elon what
Zuckerberg has done at Facebook. That's why he can't get
in front of Trump fast enough and is begging Trump
to spend more time with him.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
He's already met with him once, the.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
FBI, the CIA, the IRS, the National Institute of Health,
the big pharma companies, the congressional records.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
It needs to all be laid open.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
There are no more secrets the American people deserve to know,
and if that happens, it's going to be calling for
these people's heads. I truly believe that the worst thing
that ever happened to America was Michael Joe, and the
best thing that ever happened to slavery was America and
the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
All right, So back to Mark andreson his interview with Joe.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Rogan is being talked about a lot, and should I
would like to amplify the message he shared. He's talking
here about the fact that our government was putting pressure
on social media companies, which is just like the media.
In fact, social media is the media now using threats,
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which that's not a power they should have, using funding.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Using behind the scenes influence.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
In twenty twenty, what they were doing to Facebook and
Twitter before Elon Musk bought it, they were shutting down
stories that they didn't like. You know, we learned in
school about Pravda, the state organ of the of the
Russian government. The Soviet style censorship, because it's very hard
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to dissent in a country when you have no means
by which to spread your message. The founding of America
was occasioned in large part by pamphleteers Thomas Paine and
the like. They would write these pamphlets and spread the word. Hey, folks,
this is what's going on while you're out raising your crops.
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We want you to know what's going on. Well, that's
exactly what our government has been silencing. This is as
old as mankind, the idea of censorship, and we can't
just win an.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Election and move on.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Even though we won the election despite the censorship, and
no mistake Elon Musk buying. Twitter created the largest outlet
for user generated content to expose what was going on
in the country, and it made.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
A world of difference.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
This censorship of big technology by our government cannot simply
be forgotten. The people involved have to be held accountable.
Here's the first part. You heard the first few seconds,
but here's the full clip. It's ninety seconds. There's nothing
that happened to Twitter and the Twitter files. It wasn't
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happening all the other companies, right, So it's a consistent pattern.
If you've got the YouTube files, they would look exactly
the same. And of course we should get the YouTube file.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Sure, and now we probably will now with you know,
this new administration is probably going to see that carve
all this stuff open. But yeah, no, look it was
a pattern. And then look, you know, the company's barre
a lot of responsibility, and the people in the companies,
you know, made a lot of I think bad judgment calls.
But the government, like the Biden White House, was directly
exerting censorship pressure on American companies to censor American citizens,
which which I think, by the way, is just flatly illegal,
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like I think is actually subject to criminal charges, Like
I think there are people with criminal liability who were
involved in this. So there was that there were also
members of Congress doing the same thing, which is also illegal.
And then there was a lot of funding of outside
third party groups that were that were bringing a lot
of pressure down on censorship.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And just an example that is there's a unit at Stanford,
you know, right next door you know to us that
you know, because it was the Internet Censorship Unit that
was funded by the US government and exerted tremendous pressure
on the company's to censor, and it was and it
was very effective at doing so.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Does it smell like soul?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
For when you walk those halls, it is very dark
and grim. This whole thing is very bad. And so Stanford, Yeah, Stanford, Stanford.
By the way, another unit like that at Harvard. You know,
a bunch of universities got pulled into this, a lot
of NGOs and nonprofits got pulled into this. And so
the Twitter files showed us kind of the basic roadmap.
And then there's this thing called the Weaponization Committee that
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Congressman Jordan is running that has also revealed a lot
of this. But I would imagine the new Trump administration
is going to commit and carvel that wide open. And
I know that there are people in being applented to
senior positions who are very determined to do that.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Mark Andries and then explained how the government used in
goos as intermediaries to bypass First Amendment restrictions and really
enforce censorship.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
This is state run media. This is scary stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
He labeled it outsourced oppression, a clever yet troubling legal
loophole that is designed to stifle free speech. This is
really no different than the government, going to the schools
and standing in the classroom and telling the teachers, this
is what you will teach. You will not teach freedom
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and democracy and the free republic. You will teach that
big pharma is good. You will teach big tech is good.
You will teach that a wide open border is good.
Even as we the people are watching as the hell
descends upon this.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Here's what you had to Saygo is one of those
great terms like non governmental organization, All right, like what what?
What the hell is that?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Right? What is that?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Tell me? I don't know, Well, it's it's sort of
a charity, and but what it really does it's sort
of but most of the time that it's a it's
a political entity. It's an entity with the political agenda.
But then it's funded by the government in a very
large percentage of cases, including the NGOs and the censorship complex,
like the government grants National Science Foundation grants like direct
to the State Department grants, right, direct money. And then okay,
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now you've got an NGO funded by the government. Well
that's not an NGO, like right, that's a GEO, right right,
And then you've got a conspiracy you know, like in saysorship.
Then you have a conspiracy because you've got government officials
using government money to fund are what look like private
organizations that aren't. And then what happens is the government
outsources to these NGOs the things that it's not legally
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allowed to do, like what like censorship? Oh okay, like
violation of First Amendment, right right, right? The government. So
the first So what they always say, it's the First
Amendment only applies to the government. The First Amendment says
the government cannot cannot sense your American citizens. And so
what they do is, if you want to censor American citizens,
you're in the government. If you're smart, you don't do that.
What you do is you fund an outside organization and
then you have them do it. It's a smart man
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telling you exactly what's going on. But the censorship in
the control extends far beyond social media. Mark Andreason issued
a chilling warning. Unlike China's overt systems, these American mechanisms
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are concealed within what look like private industries banking, insurance,
Want to purchase a home, want to travel on a vacation,
want to access your bank. The message is very clear,
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comply with our social mandates or face the consequences.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Ah man, I'm sorry, Ramona, I wasn't watching the clock.
We'll play that clip coming up. Stay tuned. I didn't
you know what, I didn't even see that. I didn't
even see Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
This stuff is so.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Good because he's putting it all together in one place.
He's not a real dynamic speaker, so you have to
understand that. But but this guy brings a perspective because
of what he does and who he knows.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I'll play that clip coming up. That's dog, Sorry about
that rolling around.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
It.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
This is Mark Chestnut and jow Bizaar of talk radio.
Mans line gives me every time.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
All right, let's get to Mark Andrews and these social
credit systems which use private companies to enforce the social
mandates of the left of socialism. So you don't think
of it as the government, but it's directed by the government.
It's toward a government end and they use your bank,
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your insurance company, all of them to control you.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Zero new banks, yeah, zero. Literally, it was like cardiac arrest.
It was like that's it for new bank charters. And
we've had companies that have tried to start new banks
and it's essentially impossible because you have to comply with
the wall of regulation. You need to go hire your
ten thousand compliance people and your lawyers. But you can't
afford to do that because you're not big enough yet. See,
you can't function like you can't exist.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Like it's not always ruled it's my definition is ruled out.
You can't do it. It's not financially viable.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So so that happened in banking. That's what they've been
doing in social media. It has been the same, it's
been and by the way, this has happened in many
other industries. By the way this happen this is this
happened in the food and the food industry is greatly consolidated.
That that's a lot of what's happened in that industry
as well. And it's it's the I think what it's
the intertwining of government and the company, right because because
at that point it's like, okay, is this a private company? Yes,
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Like it's still a private company. It has a stock
price it as a CEO. Does the CEO have to
do everything that the relevant cabinet secretary tells him to do? Yes,
he does. Why does he have to do that because
if not, it's going to be investigations and subpoenas and
prosecutions and protological examinations for the rest of his life.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Everything.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
That's essentially what we accuse the CCP of doing in China.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It's the so it's so so if you combine banking
and social media and and now AI, you have basically
privatized social credit. Core right is where you end up
with this right. And this goes back to the Trucker
Struke thing. You don't have to threaten to take away
somebody's kids. You just like you threat to take away
their insurance. You don't threaten to take away their insurance.
It's not government insurance. It's being taken away. The same
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thing has happened in the insurance industry. It's consolidated down
to a small handful of companies. They're superregulated. If the
government doesn't want you to have insurance, you're not going
to have insurance. And there's no constitutional right to insurance.
So there's so there's there's no appeal press. We're back
to the de banking thing, and so that happened in banking,
that's been happening in internet and tech social media generally,
it's been happening in many other sectors, and then it's
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happening specifically in AI. And what you have an AI
is you have a set of CEOs of some of
the big AA companies that want this to happen because again,
their big threat is that we're going to fund a
startup that's going to eat their lunch, right, it's going
to really screw them up. So they're like, look, if
we could just take the position we have and lock
it in with government protection, the trade is will do
whatever the government wants. And if you assume the government
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is controlled by, you know, people who want you censor
and punish and cancel their political opponents, that's going to
come right along with it.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You don't have to agree with all of it.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Just think I've said for almost twenty years on this show,
I'm not here to tell you how to think. I'm
here to tell you to think, to question, to not
be the naive neighbor, to understand that there are people
with evil intents, but they don't. They don't tell you
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of their intent as if it's evil. They tell you
they're out to protect you from other people who are evil.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But what they want. What they want.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Is control through regulation. And this gets back to what
we talked about earlier in the show. Today this is
Mark Andrews and on Joe Rogan's show. And so there's
a couple steps.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So one is you just want a small number of
companies that do AI because you want to be able
to put them in headlock and control them. So you
basically want to give you basically want to have a government.
You want to bless a small set of large companies
with a cartel instead of a regulatory structure where those
companies are intertwined with the government. And then you want
to prevent startups from being able to enter that cartel.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
How would they do that?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
That's the threat to the control. So it's it's concept
called regulatory capture. And so the way when this is
this has happened many times for you know, hundreds of years.
This is like a very well established kind of thing
in economics and politics. So I suppose you're a big
Suppose you're a big bank, Suppose you're Jamie Diamond, you
run JP Morgan Chase, Like, what's like the biggest possible
threat of what you could possibly face. It's that there's
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some disruptive change that comes along that up ends your
entire business. You know your Kodak, you know your CODEAC.
You're making a ton of money on an analog film,
and the digital cameras come along and you get destroyed,
and for in your obituary it's like you're the idiot
you know who Blockbuster video, Blockbuster video, Like, that's the
cautionary tail that those are the ghost stories that those
guys tell around a campfire at night. They're just absolutely terrifying,
(28:58):
and like business schools like, that's the one thing you
do not want to do. And so there's two ways
to try to deal with that. One is you could
try to invent the future before it happens to you.
But that's hard because you're running a big company and
you know these startups are out there doing all these
crazy things, and can you really do that? And it's
hard and frisky and dangerous. The other thing you can
do is you can go to the government. You can
basically say, okay, we're going to we would like to
(29:19):
propose basically a trade, which is we would like the
government to put up a wall of regulation, right, we
would like the government to put in place rules right
that are potentially thousands of pages long. Right, and in fact,
the more the better. Right. We want a very very
very high bar for regulation for what's required to be
in this business. Because I'm a big company, I can
afford ten thousand lawyers and compliance people.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I voluntarily put myself under basically the government comb But
in return, the government has erected this wall of regulation
such that the next startup comes along and just literally
the next company comes along and just literally can't function.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
There are we?
Speaker 6 (29:59):
We all on the show, listen to the entirety of
the interview, and obviously our format is not set up.
Rogan's is a long form conversation and we are more
of a news magazine style format. I know talk shows
don't normally say that, but that's how I look at
our clock. I encourage you to go. I know that
(30:22):
a lot of people are put off by the length
of Rogan's podcast. I've been told that, but I'm going
to tell you, if you're going to devote some time
to something, this would be a good one. We've tried
to bring you the highlights, and in fact, during this
hour of tomorrow's show, will bring you a couple of
more clips of that, as well as Tucker Carlson in
(30:43):
Moscow interviewing Russia's foreign minister even though the United States
government wouldn't let him do that told him were and
Tucker Carlson showing, look, we're in a hot war with
Russia right now, a hot ar meaning live rounds our
men their men. If that's happening, why is it not
(31:05):
being reported? I don't think Tucker Carlson has a tendency
over his career to simply make things up. Why would
the Russian foreign minister say that's happening.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
If it's not. And let me ask, here's a sad
state of affairs.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Do you trust the Russian Foreign minister when he says
they're firing on us and we're firing on them. Or
do you trust the United States government who says no, no, no,
Ukraine wouldn't do.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
That, that would never happen. Do you trust Joe Biden?
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Do you trust the crowd of people around him who
pardoned under Biden after swearing they wouldn't. The sad reality is,
if I were to ask you, who's more trustworthy, Let's
leave Tucker Carlson out of it.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Russia's foreign minister are the United States government. Well, that's
a horrible state of affairs we've reached. Isn't it process
that for a moment
It's that time time, time.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Time, Luck and load.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
He is not pardoning his son, which he could do.
These are federal charges.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
He is not doing that.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
He's not doing it because he is living what it
means to have a rule of law in this country.
And then it isn't I mean, if you want to know,
if he believes it, you could actually see what is
happening with his own son.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
If Biden has lost something with the American people over
the last few years.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's that reminder.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
That he is sort of the opposite of Trump on empathy, right,
He's the opposite of Trump on some of these things.
And I think this verdict their reaction to it versus
how the Trumps have reacted to the rule of law. Certainly,
I think presents that character contrast.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
It.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Let's go get all that and give me the know
and you can't find it, so I.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Can't call just them. I find into So.
Speaker 7 (01:16):
I'm learned to take it well.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Which it just defends myself.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
It just goes for me.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
But that's not the way it feels.
Speaker 7 (01:27):
Joe and Joe Biden, We're so concerned about their family
that they decided to run for president.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
So when you talk about the.
Speaker 7 (01:34):
Word selfish, it's almost like the word doesn't. I mean,
their decision to run for president put the entire Democratic
Party and the United States of America in the position
that it's in.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
That this pardon is just deflating for those of us
who have been out there for a few years now
yelling about what a unique threat Donald Trump is. For
Joe Biden to do something like this.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Nobody's above the low. We've been screaming.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Well, Joe Biden just made clear his son Hunter is
above the law.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
Isn't that.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
They said, let's smoke it all that and kill me
the number and if you can't find it, so I can.
He calls Den, I'm fine, and the show overcomed and
Blue I'm to take it. Well, I don't wish my words.
Just defends myself that it just wasn't read. But that's
(02:31):
not the way it.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Donald Trump lies every time he opens his mouth. We've
been screaming, Joe Biden repeatedly lied about this. This just
furthers the cynicism that people have about politics, and and
that cynicism strengthens Trump because Trump can just say I'm
not a unique threat.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Everybody does this if I.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Do something for my kid, my son in law, whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Look, Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Does the same.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I get it. But this was a selfish move by Biden,
which politically only strengthens Trump.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's just deflating that lasts the boys.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
It was former Congressman Joe Walsh. Joe Walsh had his
head so far up Donald Trump's, but in the twenty
sixteen election, I was worried he was going to rupture
something on our future president. He, like a number of folks,
glombed on to Trump, I think, with the expectation that
(03:38):
they would have a position in the administration. This is
very common. These folks will snuggle up to a candidate
and promote them in hopes that it will lead to
their own aggrandizement. When Joe Walsh did not get that,
(04:00):
he turned on Donald Trump. There's another guy's, silver haired
guy Bill Something, I forget his name.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
He as a.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Radio program and he was the biggest pro Trump guy
there was out there. Now, to be clear, I was
not a Trump guy. I was a Ted Cruz guy.
And for reasons I have explained and will continued to explain,
I did not believe that Trump would turn out to
be the president that he's turned out to be.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I did not believe that.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
I still stand by the decision I made at the time,
based on the review of Trump's body and work prior
to that point, giving money to Democrats, all sorts of things.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I didn't think he would be the president he's turned
out to be.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
I was wrong. I am glad I was wrong. I
would much rather that I have been wrong this eight
years later and be able to say the country is
better for his service. And I worked very hard to
get him reelected twice. I worked to do that twenty
and twenty four and I'm proud of that. I'm going
(05:07):
to admit I was wrong, and I'm never going to
hide from that. In twenty sixteen, a number of you
turned against me because you believed that I should support
your candidate. And I said, we've reached a point in
the Republic where we can disagree, and I believe ted
Cruz will be a better president than Donald Trump. It
(05:28):
turned out I was wrong, turned out a number of
people were right. Now I'm okay saying that, but I
find to be odd this group of people who were
the biggest fans of Donald Trump and turned against him.
(05:48):
What did he not do that he promised he would do.
But it's not and never was about the country. It
was always about them. Kelly and Conway was one of
Ted Cruz's most trusted advisers. She has a very insightful mind,
(06:09):
brilliant lady, and she was guiding the Cruise campaign when
Cruz stepped out. Donald Trump invited her into his inner
circle and he recognized the talent that is Kelly and
Conway well.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Her husband a lawyer and a bit of a.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Socialite in the salons of Georgetown, in the DC community.
He came on and he really wanted to be the
Attorney General, and if not the Attorney General, then an
advisor to the president. And Donald Trump did not value
(06:46):
his advice the way he did Kelly and Conway and
George Conway was angered by this, and so he joined
up with this group of ousted Republican consultants like Rick Will,
like the pedophile guy, I forget his name, And they
created the Lincoln Project and they take money from very
(07:07):
wealthy Democrats to constantly criticize Trump and their trolls. Really
they just they just want to They just want to
muck up the engine as much as they can create
a distraction and a lot of people will spend a
lot of time on them. But it is surprising to
me how many of these people that were big Trump
(07:28):
supporters turned against Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Oh, he has a big ego. They tell you Trump's
had a big.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Ego since he emerged on the scene in the eighties.
What really happened is they thought that they were going
to get prime position, pride of place, right next to
Donald Trump, and when they didn't, they turned on him. Well,
that tells me you weren't in it for the right reasons.
Anthony scaramoci all of them, and they sound they're like
(07:57):
a a woman who's been dumped by her man for
his secretary.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
They're so bitter. And you see there's a lot of
them out there.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
You see them out there, and boyd they hell had
no fury like an aspiring Trump supporter who's been scorn.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Story Michael Bay Show on Buflump.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
I was notified earlier today in a listener email. Anybody
can send me an email anywhere in the country, and
I read them all.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I can't reply to them all, but I do read
them all.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
You can go to Michael Berryshow dot com Michael Berryshow
dot com and it says, send Michael an email, and
it said that his friend Sam Minikey had died and
he wasn't sure if I knew Sam Minikey or not,
but that he had passed.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And he told me what a great guy he had been.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
And I didn't know who Monarchy Mufflers was named after.
The company ended up being Minuche Car Care Centers. It's
one of those names that growing up in Southeast Texas,
wasn't there a Merlin also?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Was there Merlin Mufflers.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Don't forget it, But it was a name I didn't
You know a lot of times if you grow up
in an area that has a Dwayne Reid or a
wah Wah, or in Texas at BUCkies, or you know,
New Orleans of Crystal Burger, you don't know that the
(09:41):
rest of the country doesn't have those, right, especially like
we had Ecker Drugs. Before there was Walgreens and CVS,
we had Ecker Drugs. It was Eckers was the only
kind of big boy pharmaceutical business that was back in
the old days, when there would be a guy where
in what looks like a Wayabetta behind a count and
you could.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Have a burger and a fountain drink, and you know
kind they might.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Have a soda jerk there, give you whatever you want,
whatever concoction a phosphate. He had that funny smell that
I loved. And after you went to the doctor, you
went there, maybe get your burger, and you you know,
you at the stand there, and the owner'd be behind
there and his wife be around the corner, and how
you're doing. And when you left, that'd give you a peppermint.
And and that was how we bought our drugs as
(10:28):
a kid, back when we called them drugs, and there
wasn't Ecker drugs. And eventually maybe some people transition to
that and the local shop died off. But it's always
funny when you reach an age, whether you move off
when you go to college or the military, or for
your first job, or maybe you moved because your parents moved,
(10:50):
and you realize that that your little world that you
thought was everybody's world was actually just.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Local to your to your community.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
I like that much better than where we've reached today,
where there's a Starbucks in a Walmart and a Chili's
and really you're just in anywhere everywhere America, and you
lose a lot of the local flavor. We had a
clothing store called Bells, and there were a few around,
but it wasn't national. We had Palais Royal, which was
based out of Houston, but they had a little location
(11:20):
in Orange. We had some of those little shops. We
had a der Wiener Snitzl. In fact, I remember the
age I was when I discovered I don't remember the age,
but I remember there being a moment where I discovered
that Dairy Queen was a Minnesota based company. I thought
Dairy Queen was as Texas as Texas could be.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Little did I know? How could I know?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So?
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Anyway, the message was, I don't know if you knew
Sam Minikey. I suspect you did. I didn't, but he
passed away, I guess today, And so I looked up
Minikee and it says Minukee Car Centers. Minikee was found
in nineteen seventy one in Houston, Texas by Sam minike
He started the franchise. He started to franchise the name
(12:07):
in nineteen seventy two with Harold Needell. In nineteen eighty three, GKN,
a multinational British company, bought out Minukee Discount Mufflers. In
nineteen eighty six, the company headquarters moved to Charlotte, North Carolina.
In two thousand and three, they changed the name to
Minukee car Care Centers because I guess you wanted to
expand beyond mufflers. Minikee became a privately held company, no
(12:29):
longer publicly traded, and it went through. You know, George
Foreman was their spokesman for a number of years, and
they sponsored and they went around this group. Looks like
it was kind of a roll up. They bought in
the Seattle Tacoma area. They bought Watts Autocare Centers, well,
(12:50):
no Walts Walts Autocare Centers, and I guess they bought
some other words in their nine hundred and ninety six locations. Wow,
that's a big shop, all right. There's something I wanted
to get to. There's a villa named Mark Andresen. He
was a co founder of Netscape, which in its day
was a really big deal, and he is kind of
(13:12):
the toast of the town in Silicon Valley, although some
people really hate him. He's extraordinarily free thinking and he's
a guy who looks at macro trends on a level
that very few do. Think Elon Musk, He's think Peter Thiel.
These are people who see a lot of devils their
(13:34):
deal flow, as they call it, across their desk.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Ideas are pitched to them.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Major personalities seek to be in their presence Jeff Beso's
before that, Steve Jobs, and so they see and hear
things that most people don't. Now, it doesn't mean that
they're smarter than anyone else. It does mean that they
have an exposure and if they have an ability to
process sas to analyze and process what's coming through, sometimes
(14:03):
these folks can give you a very good sense of
what's happening in the country from the most influential players. Well,
he sat down with Joe Rogan, and this is where
Rogan is at his best. It was a long form interview,
and I've been meaning to bring this to you, but
we've had so much breaking news with everything else. Some
(14:26):
of this take it for what it's worth, and I'm
not saying it's necessarily all true, but some of this
is very important. For instance, he says the social media
policies were a direct assault on free speech. You and
I have experienced this but listen to this.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
There's nothing that happened to Twitter and the Twitter files
that wasn't happening all the other companies, right, So it's
a consistent pattern. If you've got the YouTube files, they
would look exactly the same. And of course we should
get the YouTube file. Sure, and now we probably will
now with you know, this new administration is probably going
to like card all this stuff open. But yeah, I know,
look it was a pattern. And then look, you know,
the company's bear a lot of responsibility and the people
and let me hold.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Yourress their because we're not going to have a chance
to play the full clip here. Trump is going to
ensure and they're going to be battles and they're going
to fight him like you wouldn't believe. I think there'll
be more attempted assassinations. I think there will be more lawfair.
I think there will be intimidation.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
There are lives.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
That are going to be destroyed and should be over
what YouTube has done, what Twitter did before, elon what
Zuckerberg has done at Facebook. That's why he can't get
in front of Trump fast enough and is begging Trump
to spend more time with him.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
He's already met with him once, the.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
FBI, the CIA, the IRS, the National Institute of Health,
the big pharma companies, the congressional records.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
It needs to all be laid open.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
There are no more secrets the American people deserve to know,
and if that happens, it's going to be calling for
these people's heads. I truly believe that the worst thing
that ever happened to America was Michael Joe, and the
best thing that ever happened to slavery was America and
the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
All right, So back to Mark andreson his interview with Joe.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Rogan is being talked about a lot, and should I
would like to amplify the message he shared. He's talking
here about the fact that our government was putting pressure
on social media companies, which is just like the media.
In fact, social media is the media now using threats,
(16:40):
which that's not a power they should have, using funding.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Using behind the scenes influence.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
In twenty twenty, what they were doing to Facebook and
Twitter before Elon Musk bought it, they were shutting down
stories that they didn't like. You know, we learned in
school about Pravda, the state organ of the of the
Russian government. The Soviet style censorship, because it's very hard
(17:15):
to dissent in a country when you have no means
by which to spread your message. The founding of America
was occasioned in large part by pamphleteers Thomas Paine and
the like. They would write these pamphlets and spread the word. Hey, folks,
this is what's going on while you're out raising your crops.
(17:37):
We want you to know what's going on. Well, that's
exactly what our government has been silencing. This is as
old as mankind, the idea of censorship, and we can't
just win an.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Election and move on.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Even though we won the election despite the censorship, and
no mistake Elon Musk buying. Twitter created the largest outlet
for user generated content to expose what was going on
in the country, and it made.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
A world of difference.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
This censorship of big technology by our government cannot simply
be forgotten. The people involved have to be held accountable.
Here's the first part. You heard the first few seconds,
but here's the full clip. It's ninety seconds. There's nothing
that happened to Twitter and the Twitter files. It wasn't
(18:39):
happening all the other companies, right, So it's a consistent pattern.
If you've got the YouTube files, they would look exactly
the same. And of course we should get the YouTube file.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Sure, and now we probably will now with you know,
this new administration is probably going to see that carve
all this stuff open. But yeah, no, look it was
a pattern. And then look, you know, the company's barre
a lot of responsibility, and the people in the companies,
you know, made a lot of I think bad judgment calls.
But the government, like the Biden White House, was directly
exerting censorship pressure on American companies to censor American citizens,
which which I think, by the way, is just flatly illegal,
(19:08):
like I think is actually subject to criminal charges, Like
I think there are people with criminal liability who were
involved in this. So there was that there were also
members of Congress doing the same thing, which is also illegal.
And then there was a lot of funding of outside
third party groups that were that were bringing a lot
of pressure down on censorship.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And just an example that is there's a unit at Stanford,
you know, right next door you know to us that
you know, because it was the Internet Censorship Unit that
was funded by the US government and exerted tremendous pressure
on the company's to censor, and it was and it
was very effective at doing so.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Does it smell like soul?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
For when you walk those halls, it is very dark
and grim. This whole thing is very bad. And so Stanford, Yeah, Stanford, Stanford.
By the way, another unit like that at Harvard. You know,
a bunch of universities got pulled into this, a lot
of NGOs and nonprofits got pulled into this. And so
the Twitter files showed us kind of the basic roadmap.
And then there's this thing called the Weaponization Committee that
(20:00):
Congressman Jordan is running that has also revealed a lot
of this. But I would imagine the new Trump administration
is going to commit and carvel that wide open. And
I know that there are people in being applented to
senior positions who are very determined to do that.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Mark Andries and then explained how the government used in
goos as intermediaries to bypass First Amendment restrictions and really
enforce censorship.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
This is state run media. This is scary stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
He labeled it outsourced oppression, a clever yet troubling legal
loophole that is designed to stifle free speech. This is
really no different than the government, going to the schools
and standing in the classroom and telling the teachers, this
is what you will teach. You will not teach freedom
(20:53):
and democracy and the free republic. You will teach that
big pharma is good. You will teach big tech is good.
You will teach that a wide open border is good.
Even as we the people are watching as the hell
descends upon this.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Here's what you had to Saygo is one of those
great terms like non governmental organization, All right, like what what?
What the hell is that?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Right? What is that?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Tell me? I don't know, Well, it's it's sort of
a charity, and but what it really does it's sort
of but most of the time that it's a it's
a political entity. It's an entity with the political agenda.
But then it's funded by the government in a very
large percentage of cases, including the NGOs and the censorship complex,
like the government grants National Science Foundation grants like direct
to the State Department grants, right, direct money. And then okay,
(21:41):
now you've got an NGO funded by the government. Well
that's not an NGO, like right, that's a GEO, right right,
And then you've got a conspiracy you know, like in saysorship.
Then you have a conspiracy because you've got government officials
using government money to fund are what look like private
organizations that aren't. And then what happens is the government
outsources to these NGOs the things that it's not legally
(22:03):
allowed to do, like what like censorship? Oh okay, like
violation of First Amendment, right right, right? The government. So
the first So what they always say, it's the First
Amendment only applies to the government. The First Amendment says
the government cannot cannot sense your American citizens. And so
what they do is, if you want to censor American citizens,
you're in the government. If you're smart, you don't do that.
What you do is you fund an outside organization and
then you have them do it. It's a smart man
(22:26):
telling you exactly what's going on. But the censorship in
the control extends far beyond social media. Mark Andreason issued
a chilling warning. Unlike China's overt systems, these American mechanisms
(22:51):
are concealed within what look like private industries banking, insurance,
Want to purchase a home, want to travel on a vacation,
want to access your bank. The message is very clear,
(23:15):
comply with our social mandates or face the consequences.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Ah man, I'm sorry, Ramona, I wasn't watching the clock.
We'll play that clip coming up. Stay tuned. I didn't
you know what, I didn't even see that. I didn't
even see Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
This stuff is so.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Good because he's putting it all together in one place.
He's not a real dynamic speaker, so you have to
understand that. But but this guy brings a perspective because
of what he does and who he knows.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I'll play that clip coming up. That's dog, Sorry about
that rolling around.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
It.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
This is Mark Chestnut and jow Bizaar of talk radio.
Mans line gives me every time.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
All right, let's get to Mark Andrews and these social
credit systems which use private companies to enforce the social
mandates of the left of socialism. So you don't think
of it as the government, but it's directed by the government.
It's toward a government end and they use your bank,
(24:35):
your insurance company, all of them to control you.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Zero new banks, yeah, zero. Literally, it was like cardiac arrest.
It was like that's it for new bank charters. And
we've had companies that have tried to start new banks
and it's essentially impossible because you have to comply with
the wall of regulation. You need to go hire your
ten thousand compliance people and your lawyers. But you can't
afford to do that because you're not big enough yet. See,
you can't function like you can't exist.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Like it's not always ruled it's my definition is ruled out.
You can't do it. It's not financially viable.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So so that happened in banking. That's what they've been
doing in social media. It has been the same, it's
been and by the way, this has happened in many
other industries. By the way this happen this is this
happened in the food and the food industry is greatly consolidated.
That that's a lot of what's happened in that industry
as well. And it's it's the I think what it's
the intertwining of government and the company, right because because
at that point it's like, okay, is this a private company? Yes,
(25:27):
Like it's still a private company. It has a stock
price it as a CEO. Does the CEO have to
do everything that the relevant cabinet secretary tells him to do? Yes,
he does. Why does he have to do that because
if not, it's going to be investigations and subpoenas and
prosecutions and protological examinations for the rest of his life.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Everything.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
That's essentially what we accuse the CCP of doing in China.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It's the so it's so so if you combine banking
and social media and and now AI, you have basically
privatized social credit. Core right is where you end up
with this right. And this goes back to the Trucker
Struke thing. You don't have to threaten to take away
somebody's kids. You just like you threat to take away
their insurance. You don't threaten to take away their insurance.
It's not government insurance. It's being taken away. The same
(26:09):
thing has happened in the insurance industry. It's consolidated down
to a small handful of companies. They're superregulated. If the
government doesn't want you to have insurance, you're not going
to have insurance. And there's no constitutional right to insurance.
So there's so there's there's no appeal press. We're back
to the de banking thing, and so that happened in banking,
that's been happening in internet and tech social media generally,
it's been happening in many other sectors, and then it's
(26:31):
happening specifically in AI. And what you have an AI
is you have a set of CEOs of some of
the big AA companies that want this to happen because again,
their big threat is that we're going to fund a
startup that's going to eat their lunch, right, it's going
to really screw them up. So they're like, look, if
we could just take the position we have and lock
it in with government protection, the trade is will do
whatever the government wants. And if you assume the government
(26:51):
is controlled by, you know, people who want you censor
and punish and cancel their political opponents, that's going to
come right along with it.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You don't have to agree with all of it.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Just think I've said for almost twenty years on this show,
I'm not here to tell you how to think. I'm
here to tell you to think, to question, to not
be the naive neighbor, to understand that there are people
with evil intents, but they don't. They don't tell you
(27:26):
of their intent as if it's evil. They tell you
they're out to protect you from other people who are evil.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But what they want. What they want.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Is control through regulation. And this gets back to what
we talked about earlier in the show. Today this is
Mark Andrews and on Joe Rogan's show. And so there's
a couple steps.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So one is you just want a small number of
companies that do AI because you want to be able
to put them in headlock and control them. So you
basically want to give you basically want to have a government.
You want to bless a small set of large companies
with a cartel instead of a regulatory structure where those
companies are intertwined with the government. And then you want
to prevent startups from being able to enter that cartel.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
How would they do that?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
That's the threat to the control. So it's it's concept
called regulatory capture. And so the way when this is
this has happened many times for you know, hundreds of years.
This is like a very well established kind of thing
in economics and politics. So I suppose you're a big
Suppose you're a big bank, Suppose you're Jamie Diamond, you
run JP Morgan Chase, Like, what's like the biggest possible
threat of what you could possibly face. It's that there's
(28:37):
some disruptive change that comes along that up ends your
entire business. You know your Kodak, you know your CODEAC.
You're making a ton of money on an analog film,
and the digital cameras come along and you get destroyed,
and for in your obituary it's like you're the idiot
you know who Blockbuster video, Blockbuster video, Like, that's the
cautionary tail that those are the ghost stories that those
guys tell around a campfire at night. They're just absolutely terrifying,
(28:58):
and like business schools like, that's the one thing you
do not want to do. And so there's two ways
to try to deal with that. One is you could
try to invent the future before it happens to you.
But that's hard because you're running a big company and
you know these startups are out there doing all these
crazy things, and can you really do that? And it's
hard and frisky and dangerous. The other thing you can
do is you can go to the government. You can
basically say, okay, we're going to we would like to
(29:19):
propose basically a trade, which is we would like the
government to put up a wall of regulation, right, we
would like the government to put in place rules right
that are potentially thousands of pages long. Right, and in fact,
the more the better. Right. We want a very very
very high bar for regulation for what's required to be
in this business. Because I'm a big company, I can
afford ten thousand lawyers and compliance people.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I voluntarily put myself under basically the government comb But
in return, the government has erected this wall of regulation
such that the next startup comes along and just literally
the next company comes along and just literally can't function.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
There are we?
Speaker 6 (29:59):
We all on the show, listen to the entirety of
the interview, and obviously our format is not set up.
Rogan's is a long form conversation and we are more
of a news magazine style format. I know talk shows
don't normally say that, but that's how I look at
our clock. I encourage you to go. I know that
(30:22):
a lot of people are put off by the length
of Rogan's podcast. I've been told that, but I'm going
to tell you, if you're going to devote some time
to something, this would be a good one. We've tried
to bring you the highlights, and in fact, during this
hour of tomorrow's show, will bring you a couple of
more clips of that, as well as Tucker Carlson in
(30:43):
Moscow interviewing Russia's foreign minister even though the United States
government wouldn't let him do that told him were and
Tucker Carlson showing, look, we're in a hot war with
Russia right now, a hot ar meaning live rounds our
men their men. If that's happening, why is it not
(31:05):
being reported? I don't think Tucker Carlson has a tendency
over his career to simply make things up. Why would
the Russian foreign minister say that's happening.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
If it's not. And let me ask, here's a sad
state of affairs.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Do you trust the Russian Foreign minister when he says
they're firing on us and we're firing on them. Or
do you trust the United States government who says no, no, no,
Ukraine wouldn't do.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
That, that would never happen. Do you trust Joe Biden?
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Do you trust the crowd of people around him who
pardoned under Biden after swearing they wouldn't. The sad reality is,
if I were to ask you, who's more trustworthy, Let's
leave Tucker Carlson out of it.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Russia's foreign minister are the United States government. Well, that's
a horrible state of affairs we've reached. Isn't it process
that for a moment
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