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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jeffrey Epstein was not a self made man. Jeffrey Epstein
was in possession of a number of very expensive assets, homes.
In particular, he had two homes in Aspen. And I've
been told by service providers in Aspen, an electrician, a plumber,
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a hairstylist, my wife uses a bartender. At least four
different people have told me, maybe more over the years,
that Epstein had two homes or had control of two homes.
Exactly who owned all the things that Epstein that people
believed were Epstein's is in some dispute, and that makes
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the story even more troubling. If Epstein was a self
made man, he wasn't a self made billionaire, then at
least he was indulging his own perversions, and he might
have chosen to share access to these indulgences, perversions crimes
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with people he liked. Some people do do that. They
like to show off I have this thing, and now
you may share in this thing with me, like a
backyard pool or a private jet. Except this was sex
with children, which is always rape. And of course you
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remember we call it statutory rape because it is rape
by statute. And the reason that's important, well, isn't every
rape a violation of a statute, a state law. Yes,
But what makes statutory rape important and special and unique
is it is in and of itself rape. You don't
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get a defense that you would normally have. You don't
get to say, well, she begged for it, well, she
asked for it, well, she seduced me, well, she told
me she wanted to do it. Well, whatever else, she
performed the act willingly, voluntarily. I didn't ask her.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
She asked me.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
All of those things that could be used as a
defense in a rape, it was consensual. A child cannot
give their consent. So if an adult has sex with
a child, it doesn't matter if there was a seduction
and how that came about, if there was romance, if
the child wanted to do it, none of those things matter.
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A child cannot consent because they are a minority. I'm sorry, minor.
They are a minor. A minor may not make decisions.
It's also why a minor can't vote because they are
not of age of majority. And we've agreed that for
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most things. That is eighteen. At eighteen, you're ready to
decide that you want to go fight. No war in
the state of Texas was so ridiculous. You can sign
up to go fight a war, but you can't smoke
a cigarette till twenty one, and nobody wanted to fight
against that because nobody wanted to be pro cigarettes. That
would be how you would be cast. See, ah, you
just want to right to die. No, I want eighteen
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year olds. If that's the age we're going to agree.
You can vote, so you can choose who the president
will be. You can choose who the people will be
that will serve in the government, who will make these
dumb laws. But you can't smoke a cigarette. That's how
you want to show that you're against lung cancer. Really
to take away freedoms that people have. See, you always
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have to defend your freedoms because they come at you
from every different direction. But anyway back to it. The
thing about Jeffrey Epstein is that the money behind him,
and I think this will all be made very clear,
is going to turn out less. Wexler, who owned some
some retail stores for that mostly sold to teenage girls,
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was a billionaire. And Wexler was was contributing a lot
of money. But I think you're going to find I
think you're going to find foreign government influence on Jeffrey Epstein.
And that's why everything was filmed all the time, and
that's why powerful people were invited, because once you get
them having sex with a kid and you film it,
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you can make them do whatever you want, and that
will begin to make a lot more sense of why
some of the people have done some of the things
they've done that are seemingly contrary to their best interests.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Make God Masu, Mike Gobio, you.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Know, there's something it's bad juju to wish people well
when they're fired, unless they're evil, Like I think it's
okay to wish death on you know, Adolf Hitler kind
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of thing, And so in that category of awful, not
as bad as Hitler, but bad because I figure she
called everybody Hitler, we should call her Hitler. Is Joy Reid.
Joy Reid is a bad person. Joy Reid is a
setback for race because all she's ever done is race bait,
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and frankly, if she was a white woman, as stupid
and singular in purpose as she was, she never would
have been there. But because she was a black woman,
she was put in a position as a token to
do what she did, and Frankly, you almost can't blame.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Her for that.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
She did what she was supposed to do. She was
a race bader. She just wasn't very interesting frankly. Anyway,
Rachel Mattow was not happy that her friend was canned,
and she wanted her dozen listeners to know, Hey, listen,
people I work for, they're all racists. And then, of course,
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after this little rant, they slashed a bunch.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Of her staff and even bigger programming change is at
seven pm seven pm Eastern, where Joy Reads show the
readout and did tonight. And Joy is not taking a
different job in the network, she is leaving the network altogether.
And that is very, very very hard to take. I
am fifty one years old. I have been gainfully employed
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since I was twelve, and I have had so many
different kinds of jobs. You wouldn't believe me if I
told you.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But in all of the.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Jobs I have had, in all of the years I
have been alive, there is no colleague for whom I
have had more affection and more respect than Joy Read.
I love everything about her. I have learned so much
from her. I have so much more to learn from her.
I do not want to lose her as a colleague
here at MSNBC, and personally, I think it is a
bad mistake to let her walk out the door. It
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is not my call and I understand that, but that's.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
What I think.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I will tell you. It is also unnerving to see
that on a network where we've got two count of
two non white hosts in primetime. Both of our non
white hosts in primetime are losing their shows, as is
Katie Fang on the weekend, and that feels worse than
bad no matter who replaces now. That feels indefensible, and
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I do not defend it, but there's just one other
piece of it that you should know. From your side
of the TV screen, you will mostly see changes in
terms of who's in the anchor chair, and actually everybody
who's going to be in anchor chairs from here on
out are great colleagues and great at what they do,
and you are not going to be disappointed and who's
on our air and what you're going to be seeing.
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But one thing you cannot necessarily see is that the
people who get our shows on the air, they're really
being put through the ringer. Dozens of producers and staffers,
including some who are among the most experienced and most
talented and most specialist producers in the building are facing
being laid off. They're being invited to reapply for new jobs.
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That has never happened at this scale in this way
before when it comes to programming changes, presumably because it's
not the right way to treat people, and it's inefficient
and it's unnecessary, and it kind of drops the bottom
out of whether or not people feel like this is
a good place to work, and so we don't generally
do things that way. Maybe all of our folks, including
most of the people who are getting this very show
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on the air right now, maybe they will all get
new jobs here, and I hope they do. But in
the meantime, being put in this kind of limbo, the
anxiety and discombobulation is off the charts at a time
when this job already is extra stressful and difficult. It
is not news for me to tell you that the
press and freedom of the press are under attack in
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a way that is really it's a big deal for
our country. It's very visceral for us here. I know
that the business of the press is not an easy thing,
and I know that no job is forever, but I
think I'm safe in saying for all of us anchors
who you know through the TV, please know that what
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pains us the most is not what happens to us.
It is what happens to our coworkers on whom we
depend and who you don't necessarily know. But we respect
and love them and depend on them. And did I
mention we respect them. This is a difficult time in
the news business, but it does not need to be thisficult.
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We welcome new voices to this place and some familiar
voices to new hours. It's going to be great, honestly,
and we want to grow and succeed and reach more
people than ever and be resilient and stay here forever.
I also believe, and I bet you believe, that the
way to get there is by treating people well, finding
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good people, good colleagues, doing good work with them, and
then having their back. That we could do a lot
better on a lot better.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
But let's be clear why joy Read was fired. Megan
Kelly did a great job. Normally I would say it
does not make for good content to read ratings, but
she does a pretty good job here of making it
very simple. We live and die on ratings. In our business,
it's how you're measured. It's wins and losses. But I
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think she does a good job here.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
We just pulled the ratings from Thursday Night. On Thursday Night,
this is in the the twenty five to fifty four demo.
I mean, this is just unbelievable. Like truly, when I
was at Fox, We're a Bad Night in the demo
would be in the threes, three hundred and change, but
it was often six hundred thousand, seven hundred thousand in change.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
In the demo.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Those are now the overall numbers, the total audience numbers
on a great number for most of cable news. Here's
her demo number from Thursday Night, fifty nine thousand. She
was four thousand away from Slashies, which is but.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
We No.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Nine thousand, which is fifty thousand, she was fifty nine thousand.
That's what she got in the overall demo. She lost
to her competitor on CNN who had one hundred and
four thousand, lost to Laura Ingram who had three hundred
and eighty nine thousand. Lost the whole ratings race inside
MSNBC where they're great White Hope Jensaki, who's taking over
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now at nine. This is all part of a reshuffling.
She got six five thousand in the key demo sixty five.
That's okay, that's their future, Rachel Maddow, she's their big star.
For thirty million dollars a year. All you have to
pull is one hundred and forty four thousand in the demo,
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which I think is what we got. I don't even
I mean, like maybe overnight at three am during a
weekend program lineup at Fox. One hundred and forty four
thousand now earns you thirty million dollars a year on MSNBC.
And then the next lowest well after Reid and Sake,
was Stephanie Ruhle with eighty eight thousand. Laurence o'donald got
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one hundred and three six thousand. These are all terrible, terrible,
terrible numbers, and that's one of the many reasons joy reading.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
Oh yes, we're gonna take your ar fifteen bight opa,
Oh the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Hell, yes, yes, yes, yes, Joe.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Because some
people think we shouldn't play audio of other shows. You're
being lazy, You're not prepped. You I'm sitting here right now,
and I'm not kidding you. With God and Ramona's my witness,
I'm sitting here with probably fifty pages of prep. I
have more things to talk about today than I've ever had.
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But I also believe that when somebody does something good,
we're going to amplify it instead of having an ego
so big that I need to talk every segment of
every show all day. I don't. Some of you will
have heard Greg Guttfell's monologue a couple days ago about
Joy Reid, and I meant to play it the next day,
but so many things to talk about right now. And
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I've been meaning to play this because I despise Joy
Reid and the joy I received in watching her, a
woman who constantly would say the most awful things about
white people, and by the way, about black people who
were not cow telling to her way of thought, which
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is blacks or victims, blacks should all be for Obama
and Kamala and Joe Biden, and that anyone who tries
to be an individual and independent individual is a bad
human being. I despise that. But Greg Guttfeldt had the
best monologue on the firing of Joy Reid, and so
we are going to play at least something. We'll see
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if we have enough time, We're going to at least
play part of that. Right here, it's.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
A sad moment for the show. Joy Reid is out.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Of course, were heartbroken forse He provided this show with
more material than a seamstress at the view on slow
news days. Joy was always there to help with a
racist rant.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I loved her. Remember these golden oldies.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
We do have a fascist ground swell in parts of
this country.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Mainly among white men.
Speaker 9 (14:47):
What they're saying is we own this country and everyone
will bow down to us. In America, there's a thing
about both white vigilantism and white tears, nial light tears.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Now.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
I don't like to use hyperbole, but Joy's firing is
the biggest blow to racists since the Confederacy lost, because
not only did Cable News lose a bigot, but the
bigot herself might finally get the round the clock care
that she really needs. But you got to wonder how
she was able to last this long. The irony, of course,
is in her name, for to Joy bring any joy
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to anyone's life. Oh, I didn't know this was a
call in response show.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But think about it.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
I'm willing to bet no one ever said, you know,
I was going through a tough period in my life
and listening.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
To Joy Reid really got me through it.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
If anything, it was their tough periods in life that
got them through. Joy read but that's the problem with
MSNBC and Legacy Media. Their income was based on making
life worse instead of focusing on real stuff. They created
hoaxes ones that's so division and hopelessness.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Now.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
Joy's firing came on the heels of MSNBC's parent company,
NBC Universal, settling a thirty million dollar defamation lawsuit with
a Georgia guynacologist I know, Georgia. In twenty twenty, the
network reported that the doctor working at an ice detention
center was performing unwanted hysterectomies on immigrant women. The network
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called the doctor the uterus collector.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I know.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
That was my nickname in college.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Here's how they reported it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Just underscore that the allegation here is that this is
a federal facility and they have been sending immigrant women
in their care in their custody to a doctor who
has removed their reproductive organs for no medical reason, and
without them consenting to it.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Nurse says that detained women told her they didn't fully
understand why they were un going hysterectomies.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You talk about in the complaint a hearing from women
who are detained there talking about a specific doctor performing hysterectomies,
referring to him as a uterus collector.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Chris Hayes was one of those who pedled this story
about the uterus collector, but his only proof was.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
That his was missing.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
And yes, the story sounds horrible, almost too horrible to
be believed, but for people in legacy media who suspend
common sense on all things Trump, it was just too
good to check.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It had to be true, but it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
And the tip off right away is that these hacks
would actually condemn a doctor forcibly collecting uteruses, because when
it comes to kids, it's lovingly called gender affirmation there
and you think the fact that no one else was
reporting this might have been another clue for these great
investigative journalists. Although calling Nicole Wallace, Chris Hayes, and Rachel
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Maddow journalists it's like calling Stacy Abrams, Jerry Nadler, and JB.
Pritzker plus sized models.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So how far were they off?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Well, the judge in the case states that there's undisputed
evidence has been established that there were no mass horest
terectomies at the facility, and the doctor is not quote
a uterus collector. So other than that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Their reporting was perfect.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
So MSNBC has reportedly decided to settle up rather than
risk a trial. But you still got to wonder how
this story, this hoax got this far.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Well, what was the point of the hoax in the
first place?
Speaker 7 (18:48):
To damage Trump and his determination to finally tighten the border.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
They wanted to believe it was true, you.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Know, like when I told that flight attendant it was
a war injury. The anchors just love the idea that
there was a sinister doctor forcibly removing uteruses so that
these women couldn't have kids after entering the US. It's
so evil, so fascist, so Trumpian. Seriously, how soon will
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Hollywood make a movie of that? The evil doctor could
be played by Kevin Spacey, Yeah, and the uterus could
be played by Peter Dinklage. It makes no sense. Don't
try to make sense of it. But again, how do
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they fall for this garbage. Well, first, maybe they felt
that if they were wrong, of course no one would check.
But also, any belief system is a continuum, and if
you go far enough out with it, you can arrive
at a very bad place, especially if you already start
at a bad place, like say Trump is Hitler.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Like Trump, Hitler was also viewed as a clown, a
goon who would be who could be kept in line.
It was blatant fascism meets the Jerry Springer Show. If
that sounds vaguely familiar, that's because it is similar. Similarities
to what happened in Germany and what's happening now in
America are just undeniable, violent, terrifying, and sometimes bizarre conspiracy
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theories that set the table for maybe armed resistance to
a Kamala Harris Win or mass acceptance of American fascism.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Let me know when you.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
Guys are finished fighting amongst yourselves.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Who I got to vote for in November.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
To keep Hitler aut the White House?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
If it's Biden, it a coma, I'm gonna vote for
Bidthen a coma you'd vote for Biden and Tacoma. Why not?
You did the same thing in twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Meanwhile, COMA patients are blinking out Morse code for come on, guys,
we're not that bad.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Amazing.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
You can see how Joy laid the groundwork for the hoax.
So what's left of MSNBC. Well, they're replacing Joy with
a three person panel, so if it's a slow news day,
they can call each other racist, which raises the other question.
Mattow and the others pushed the uterus story, Reid did not.
So why is Joy fired and the rest of them aren't?
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Is it because they're all white? I mean, here's a
case where Joy can actually cry racism and finally, for once,
it might be true.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I'm not sure what your question was, Michael Berry. I
lost the plot somewhere.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You did?
Speaker 7 (21:41):
You did?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
George C.
Speaker 10 (21:43):
Scott as Traditional General Patent, Real America, nineteen seventy one
of the great roles of all time about a man who.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Is beloved in American history. Whether you are a warmonger
or a piece nick or anywhere in between, most people
would agree we have had, as nations do some men
who are titans of American history for their service in
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leadership in our military. MacArthur, of course, in the Pacific Eisenhower,
George Washington, in the founding of this nation. Roberty Lee,
who served this country in what would have then been
called the Union Army, and then when Civil War broke out,
chose his state over his nation. And people say what
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they want, but he was not fighting for slavery. He
was fighting for his state, and it was a very,
very tough time. He was conflicted over this, and for
that reason, Lincoln and Grant had a great deal of
respect for Roberty Lee, as they did for Stonewall Jackson.
But there are individuals who have served this country. John J. Persing,
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Pershing who famously was sent into Mexico to teach them
a lesson that Trump's about to have to remind them
that we are not to be trifled with, and don't
think for a moment we are. And with this legendary lineage,
the idea of putting idiots in positions that our soldiers, marines, sailors,
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airmen would have to serve under is absolutely infuriating. So
President Trump and Pete Hegseth, you probably know this is
not new news. It's just it's been on my list
of things to get to. They fired the Joint Chiefs chairman,
a fellow named General C. Q. Brown, and he's got
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to be the wokest Joint Chiefs Chairman in American history,
and he is. He's an absolute atrocity. Here he is
speaking at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. This was
supposed to be our Joint Chiefs Chairman, and all he
cares about is I'm black. There's more of a bunch
of black people in here. I want to get all
the white people out of here.
Speaker 11 (24:09):
And one of the examples that our analogies that was
shared with me that I think is actually makes it
very simple to understand. And you for diversit and inclusion inequity,
you really want to be invited and have the opportunity
to participate. And for those who can go back to
eighth grade and you went to the eighth grade dance,
you know, you want to be invited to the dance
and then once you get there, that's the diversity that
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you have an opportunity to come to the dance. But
the inclusion inequity part is that you get asked to dance.
You're not just there at the dance. And so it's
for an aspect of the United States Air Force the
things I think about is not only having diverse, you know,
slates of candidates for some key positions, but it's also
that you have to select some of those individuals into
those key positions. And that's a key aspect of what
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I'm focused on as a chief of staff is you
can't let it just be happenstance that brings in the
diversity where there be race, gender, ethnic background, sexual orientation,
so background. You really got to spend some time thinking
about it, because you made this an opportunity if you
don't really spend some time looking at the slate of
candidates and then asking some hard questions. And that's an
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aspect of you know, me as the chief of staff
when I sit down with Secretary breat We just had
a conversation about this yesterday as we're looking at some
key positions, you know, who are diverse candidates and are
we making sure we are grooming them so they have
the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, so when a war breaks out, we're going to
have a lot of talk about are there enough blacks
or lesbians or boys who are girls. Same conference, same
guy bragging about purposely building his team with people of
diverse backgrounds that means not white males.
Speaker 11 (25:51):
All of us have to seek out those diverse candidates
to bring them in. That's that's what we're trying to
do in the Air forces. You almost got to purposely
manage some of this. You just can't let it. If
you do it by happenstance won't change. We've got to
be actually involved as leaders from all backgrounds to ensure
we have it, and it really makes for better organization.
I mean, I get so much out of the purposely
build my office, my front office, my team with divers
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n I'll hire for diversity.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Japanese companies are some of the finest in the world,
and they lack diversity. You've got a lot of dysfunctional
organizations that Democrats have taken over in this country that
are full of diversity, by which they mean just hiring
not white males. And it does not make things better here.
He is same jackass telling the Washington Post, Well, listen.
Speaker 11 (26:38):
We've got to actually nutch and pull and actually purposely
managed and ensure that we have diverse candidates that can
compete and if they need some help in certain areas
with coaching or add additional training or additional opportunities that
is something we've got to continue to work on as well.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Here he is talking to PBS News Hour when he
was asked if a recruits social media should be looked
at on recruitment.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
Should recruit social media be looked at to find extremist tendencies?
My concern is that individuals will put things on social
media that they would never say to your face, okay,
And that to me is an indicator. And that's why,
you know, being able to take a look at social
media will also tell you a little bit about character
and the individual that you're bringing into our service.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Go look up the Syracuse scar study and women who
thought that a scar had been painted on their face,
but it was removed and they went into an interview,
and they came back and asked them how the interview
went and whether the people were bothered by the scar
on their face. And they all perceived that the scar
on their face would mean that they weren't going to
get the job because the person was acting crazy towards them,
but they didn't realize they didn't have a scar on
their face. If you believe racism is everywhere, then you
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will end up seeing racism everywhere. Here he is seeing
the beauty of the overdose death of Saint George Floyd
on PBS News Hour.
Speaker 11 (27:56):
Are the solutions essentially breaking a white boy? Well, part
part of the solution is actually happened to the first
slate of candidates when you look at any one of
our positions we're doing interviews, is you want to have
a diverse slate of candidates. And it does two things
and industing to somebody you may not already know. The
second thing it does, it prepares that individual for freuture interviews.
He sends any resistance to that, no, you know, buy
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and large. I think many of our airmen and our leaders,
and our senior leaders in particular, they get it. And
I think it's in some cases it may have been
a blind spot force where we weren't really paying attention
to it. I think the beauty of you know, it
is tragic at George Floyd's death is and the other
events that surround that, the fact we're taking our heart
look at ourselves, and I think it's opened some eyes
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to somebody. Ramen who are just like this, you.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Know, are awful. They use everything they can for their
own agenda, which is more blacks, more blacks, which is
really his way of saying more of him. Here he
is telling the air Force there, airmen need to value diversity.
You need you need to all want more Black people.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Can't fixed censories of racism in our country, or what
can I fix decades the discrimination may have impacted members
of our air force. I'm thinking about how I can
make improvements personally, professionally and institutionally so that all entering
both the day tomorrow appreciate the value of diversity.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And to close the show, here was Pete hegseeth. I
guess it was yesterday. They all run together now, turning
the tables on a reporter who asked about the quote
unquote unqualified retired general that Trump picked as his new
chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I love Secretary
of Hegseth's answer, qualified.
Speaker 11 (29:38):
High Tenant Jucklo to be the next chairman of the joke.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
I'm gonna I'm gonna choose to reject your unqualified question.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Here's next reject unqualified questions, folks, there's your there's your
best way to make America great again. Challenge everything zero
Jeffrey Epstein was not a self made man. Jeffrey Epstein
was in possession of a number of very expensive assets, homes.
In particular, he had two homes in Aspen. And I've
been told by service providers in Aspen, an electrician, a plumber,
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a hairstylist, my wife uses a bartender. At least four
different people have told me, maybe more over the years,
that Epstein had two homes or had control of two homes.
Exactly who owned all the things that Epstein that people
believed were Epstein's is in some dispute, and that makes
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the story even more troubling. If Epstein was a self
made man, he wasn't a self made billionaire, then at
least he was indulging his own perversions, and he might
have chosen to share access to these indulgences, perversions crimes
(01:13):
with people he liked. Some people do do that. They
like to show off I have this thing, and now
you may share in this thing with me, like a
backyard pool or a private jet. Except this was sex
with children, which is always rape. And of course you
(01:34):
remember we call it statutory rape because it is rape
by statute. And the reason that's important, well, isn't every
rape a violation of a statute, a state law. Yes,
But what makes statutory rape important and special and unique
is it is in and of itself rape. You don't
(01:57):
get a defense that you would normally have. You don't
get to say, well, she begged for it, well, she
asked for it, well, she seduced me, well, she told
me she wanted to do it. Well, whatever else, she
performed the act willingly, voluntarily. I didn't ask her.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
She asked me.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
All of those things that could be used as a
defense in a rape, it was consensual. A child cannot
give their consent. So if an adult has sex with
a child, it doesn't matter if there was a seduction
and how that came about, if there was romance, if
the child wanted to do it, none of those things matter.
(02:43):
A child cannot consent because they are a minority. I'm sorry, minor.
They are a minor. A minor may not make decisions.
It's also why a minor can't vote because they are
not of age of majority. And we've agreed that for
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most things. That is eighteen. At eighteen, you're ready to
decide that you want to go fight. No war in
the state of Texas was so ridiculous. You can sign
up to go fight a war, but you can't smoke
a cigarette till twenty one, and nobody wanted to fight
against that because nobody wanted to be pro cigarettes. That
would be how you would be cast. See, ah, you
just want to right to die. No, I want eighteen
(03:27):
year olds. If that's the age we're going to agree.
You can vote, so you can choose who the president
will be. You can choose who the people will be
that will serve in the government, who will make these
dumb laws. But you can't smoke a cigarette. That's how
you want to show that you're against lung cancer. Really
to take away freedoms that people have. See, you always
(03:48):
have to defend your freedoms because they come at you
from every different direction. But anyway back to it. The
thing about Jeffrey Epstein is that the money behind him,
and I think this will all be made very clear,
is going to turn out less. Wexler, who owned some
some retail stores for that mostly sold to teenage girls,
(04:09):
was a billionaire. And Wexler was was contributing a lot
of money. But I think you're going to find I
think you're going to find foreign government influence on Jeffrey Epstein.
And that's why everything was filmed all the time, and
that's why powerful people were invited, because once you get
them having sex with a kid and you film it,
(04:32):
you can make them do whatever you want, and that
will begin to make a lot more sense of why
some of the people have done some of the things
they've done that are seemingly contrary to their best interests.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Make God Masu, Mike Gobio, you.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Know, there's something it's bad juju to wish people well
when they're fired, unless they're evil, Like I think it's
okay to wish death on you know, Adolf Hitler kind
(05:17):
of thing, And so in that category of awful, not
as bad as Hitler, but bad because I figure she
called everybody Hitler, we should call her Hitler. Is Joy Reid.
Joy Reid is a bad person. Joy Reid is a
setback for race because all she's ever done is race bait,
(05:40):
and frankly, if she was a white woman, as stupid
and singular in purpose as she was, she never would
have been there. But because she was a black woman,
she was put in a position as a token to
do what she did, and Frankly, you almost can't blame.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Her for that.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
She did what she was supposed to do. She was
a race bader. She just wasn't very interesting frankly. Anyway,
Rachel Mattow was not happy that her friend was canned,
and she wanted her dozen listeners to know, Hey, listen,
people I work for, they're all racists. And then, of course,
(06:22):
after this little rant, they slashed a bunch.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Of her staff and even bigger programming change is at
seven pm seven pm Eastern, where Joy Reads show the
readout and did tonight. And Joy is not taking a
different job in the network, she is leaving the network altogether.
And that is very, very very hard to take. I
am fifty one years old. I have been gainfully employed
(06:50):
since I was twelve, and I have had so many
different kinds of jobs. You wouldn't believe me if I
told you.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But in all of the.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Jobs I have had, in all of the years I
have been alive, there is no colleague for whom I
have had more affection and more respect than Joy Read.
I love everything about her. I have learned so much
from her. I have so much more to learn from her.
I do not want to lose her as a colleague
here at MSNBC, and personally, I think it is a
bad mistake to let her walk out the door. It
(07:20):
is not my call and I understand that, but that's.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
What I think.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I will tell you. It is also unnerving to see
that on a network where we've got two count of
two non white hosts in primetime. Both of our non
white hosts in primetime are losing their shows, as is
Katie Fang on the weekend, and that feels worse than
bad no matter who replaces now. That feels indefensible, and
(07:47):
I do not defend it, but there's just one other
piece of it that you should know. From your side
of the TV screen, you will mostly see changes in
terms of who's in the anchor chair, and actually everybody
who's going to be in anchor chairs from here on
out are great colleagues and great at what they do,
and you are not going to be disappointed and who's
on our air and what you're going to be seeing.
(08:10):
But one thing you cannot necessarily see is that the
people who get our shows on the air, they're really
being put through the ringer. Dozens of producers and staffers,
including some who are among the most experienced and most
talented and most specialist producers in the building are facing
being laid off. They're being invited to reapply for new jobs.
(08:35):
That has never happened at this scale in this way
before when it comes to programming changes, presumably because it's
not the right way to treat people, and it's inefficient
and it's unnecessary, and it kind of drops the bottom
out of whether or not people feel like this is
a good place to work, and so we don't generally
do things that way. Maybe all of our folks, including
most of the people who are getting this very show
(08:56):
on the air right now, maybe they will all get
new jobs here, and I hope they do. But in
the meantime, being put in this kind of limbo, the
anxiety and discombobulation is off the charts at a time
when this job already is extra stressful and difficult. It
is not news for me to tell you that the
press and freedom of the press are under attack in
(09:18):
a way that is really it's a big deal for
our country. It's very visceral for us here. I know
that the business of the press is not an easy thing,
and I know that no job is forever, but I
think I'm safe in saying for all of us anchors
who you know through the TV, please know that what
(09:38):
pains us the most is not what happens to us.
It is what happens to our coworkers on whom we
depend and who you don't necessarily know. But we respect
and love them and depend on them. And did I
mention we respect them. This is a difficult time in
the news business, but it does not need to be thisficult.
(10:02):
We welcome new voices to this place and some familiar
voices to new hours. It's going to be great, honestly,
and we want to grow and succeed and reach more
people than ever and be resilient and stay here forever.
I also believe, and I bet you believe, that the
way to get there is by treating people well, finding
(10:22):
good people, good colleagues, doing good work with them, and
then having their back. That we could do a lot
better on a lot better.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
But let's be clear why joy Read was fired. Megan
Kelly did a great job. Normally I would say it
does not make for good content to read ratings, but
she does a pretty good job here of making it
very simple. We live and die on ratings. In our business,
it's how you're measured. It's wins and losses. But I
(10:54):
think she does a good job here.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
We just pulled the ratings from Thursday Night. On Thursday Night,
this is in the the twenty five to fifty four demo.
I mean, this is just unbelievable. Like truly, when I
was at Fox, We're a Bad Night in the demo
would be in the threes, three hundred and change, but
it was often six hundred thousand, seven hundred thousand in change.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
In the demo.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Those are now the overall numbers, the total audience numbers
on a great number for most of cable news. Here's
her demo number from Thursday Night, fifty nine thousand. She
was four thousand away from Slashies, which is but.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
We No.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Nine thousand, which is fifty thousand, she was fifty nine thousand.
That's what she got in the overall demo. She lost
to her competitor on CNN who had one hundred and
four thousand, lost to Laura Ingram who had three hundred
and eighty nine thousand. Lost the whole ratings race inside
MSNBC where they're great White Hope Jensaki, who's taking over
(11:54):
now at nine. This is all part of a reshuffling.
She got six five thousand in the key demo sixty five.
That's okay, that's their future, Rachel Maddow, she's their big star.
For thirty million dollars a year. All you have to
pull is one hundred and forty four thousand in the demo,
(12:15):
which I think is what we got. I don't even
I mean, like maybe overnight at three am during a
weekend program lineup at Fox. One hundred and forty four
thousand now earns you thirty million dollars a year on MSNBC.
And then the next lowest well after Reid and Sake,
was Stephanie Ruhle with eighty eight thousand. Laurence o'donald got
(12:37):
one hundred and three six thousand. These are all terrible, terrible,
terrible numbers, and that's one of the many reasons joy reading.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
Oh yes, we're gonna take your ar fifteen bight opa,
Oh the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Hell, yes, yes, yes, yes, Joe.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Because some
people think we shouldn't play audio of other shows. You're
being lazy, You're not prepped. You I'm sitting here right now,
and I'm not kidding you. With God and Ramona's my witness,
I'm sitting here with probably fifty pages of prep. I
have more things to talk about today than I've ever had.
(13:12):
But I also believe that when somebody does something good,
we're going to amplify it instead of having an ego
so big that I need to talk every segment of
every show all day. I don't. Some of you will
have heard Greg Guttfell's monologue a couple days ago about
Joy Reid, and I meant to play it the next day,
but so many things to talk about right now. And
(13:33):
I've been meaning to play this because I despise Joy
Reid and the joy I received in watching her, a
woman who constantly would say the most awful things about
white people, and by the way, about black people who
were not cow telling to her way of thought, which
(13:55):
is blacks or victims, blacks should all be for Obama
and Kamala and Joe Biden, and that anyone who tries
to be an individual and independent individual is a bad
human being. I despise that. But Greg Guttfeldt had the
best monologue on the firing of Joy Reid, and so
we are going to play at least something. We'll see
(14:16):
if we have enough time, We're going to at least
play part of that. Right here, it's.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
A sad moment for the show. Joy Reid is out.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Of course, were heartbroken forse He provided this show with
more material than a seamstress at the view on slow
news days. Joy was always there to help with a
racist rant.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I loved her. Remember these golden oldies.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
We do have a fascist ground swell in parts of
this country.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Mainly among white men.
Speaker 9 (14:47):
What they're saying is we own this country and everyone
will bow down to us. In America, there's a thing
about both white vigilantism and white tears, nial light tears.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Now.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
I don't like to use hyperbole, but Joy's firing is
the biggest blow to racists since the Confederacy lost, because
not only did Cable News lose a bigot, but the
bigot herself might finally get the round the clock care
that she really needs. But you got to wonder how
she was able to last this long. The irony, of course,
is in her name, for to Joy bring any joy
(15:26):
to anyone's life. Oh, I didn't know this was a
call in response show.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But think about it.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
I'm willing to bet no one ever said, you know,
I was going through a tough period in my life
and listening.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
To Joy Reid really got me through it.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
If anything, it was their tough periods in life that
got them through. Joy read but that's the problem with
MSNBC and Legacy Media. Their income was based on making
life worse instead of focusing on real stuff. They created
hoaxes ones that's so division and hopelessness.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Now.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
Joy's firing came on the heels of MSNBC's parent company,
NBC Universal, settling a thirty million dollar defamation lawsuit with
a Georgia guynacologist I know, Georgia. In twenty twenty, the
network reported that the doctor working at an ice detention
center was performing unwanted hysterectomies on immigrant women. The network
(16:27):
called the doctor the uterus collector.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I know.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
That was my nickname in college.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Here's how they reported it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Just underscore that the allegation here is that this is
a federal facility and they have been sending immigrant women
in their care in their custody to a doctor who
has removed their reproductive organs for no medical reason, and
without them consenting to it.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Nurse says that detained women told her they didn't fully
understand why they were un going hysterectomies.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You talk about in the complaint a hearing from women
who are detained there talking about a specific doctor performing hysterectomies,
referring to him as a uterus collector.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Uh yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
Chris Hayes was one of those who pedled this story
about the uterus collector, but his only proof was.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
That his was missing.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
And yes, the story sounds horrible, almost too horrible to
be believed, but for people in legacy media who suspend
common sense on all things Trump, it was just too
good to check.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It had to be true, but it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
And the tip off right away is that these hacks
would actually condemn a doctor forcibly collecting uteruses, because when
it comes to kids, it's lovingly called gender affirmation there
and you think the fact that no one else was
reporting this might have been another clue for these great
investigative journalists. Although calling Nicole Wallace, Chris Hayes, and Rachel
(18:02):
Maddow journalists it's like calling Stacy Abrams, Jerry Nadler, and JB.
Pritzker plus sized models.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So how far were they off?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Well, the judge in the case states that there's undisputed
evidence has been established that there were no mass horest
terectomies at the facility, and the doctor is not quote
a uterus collector. So other than that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Their reporting was perfect.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
So MSNBC has reportedly decided to settle up rather than
risk a trial. But you still got to wonder how
this story, this hoax got this far.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Well, what was the point of the hoax in the
first place?
Speaker 7 (18:48):
To damage Trump and his determination to finally tighten the border.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
They wanted to believe it was true, you.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Know, like when I told that flight attendant it was
a war injury. The anchors just love the idea that
there was a sinister doctor forcibly removing uteruses so that
these women couldn't have kids after entering the US. It's
so evil, so fascist, so Trumpian. Seriously, how soon will
(19:17):
Hollywood make a movie of that? The evil doctor could
be played by Kevin Spacey, Yeah, and the uterus could
be played by Peter Dinklage. It makes no sense. Don't
try to make sense of it. But again, how do
(19:40):
they fall for this garbage. Well, first, maybe they felt
that if they were wrong, of course no one would check.
But also, any belief system is a continuum, and if
you go far enough out with it, you can arrive
at a very bad place, especially if you already start
at a bad place, like say Trump is Hitler.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Like Trump, Hitler was also viewed as a clown, a
goon who would be who could be kept in line.
It was blatant fascism meets the Jerry Springer Show. If
that sounds vaguely familiar, that's because it is similar. Similarities
to what happened in Germany and what's happening now in
America are just undeniable, violent, terrifying, and sometimes bizarre conspiracy
(20:20):
theories that set the table for maybe armed resistance to
a Kamala Harris Win or mass acceptance of American fascism.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Let me know when you.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
Guys are finished fighting amongst yourselves.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Who I got to vote for in November.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
To keep Hitler aut the White House?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
If it's Biden, it a coma, I'm gonna vote for
Bidthen a coma you'd vote for Biden and Tacoma. Why not?
You did the same thing in twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Meanwhile, COMA patients are blinking out Morse code for come on, guys,
we're not that bad.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Amazing.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
You can see how Joy laid the groundwork for the hoax.
So what's left of MSNBC. Well, they're replacing Joy with
a three person panel, so if it's a slow news day,
they can call each other racist, which raises the other question.
Mattow and the others pushed the uterus story, Reid did not.
So why is Joy fired and the rest of them aren't?
(21:22):
Is it because they're all white? I mean, here's a
case where Joy can actually cry racism and finally, for once,
it might be true.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I'm not sure what your question was, Michael Berry. I
lost the plot somewhere.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You did?
Speaker 7 (21:41):
You did?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
George C.
Speaker 10 (21:43):
Scott as Traditional General Patent, Real America, nineteen seventy one
of the great roles of all time about a man who.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Is beloved in American history. Whether you are a warmonger
or a piece nick or anywhere in between, most people
would agree we have had, as nations do some men
who are titans of American history for their service in
(22:18):
leadership in our military. MacArthur, of course, in the Pacific Eisenhower,
George Washington, in the founding of this nation. Roberty Lee,
who served this country in what would have then been
called the Union Army, and then when Civil War broke out,
chose his state over his nation. And people say what
(22:41):
they want, but he was not fighting for slavery. He
was fighting for his state, and it was a very,
very tough time. He was conflicted over this, and for
that reason, Lincoln and Grant had a great deal of
respect for Roberty Lee, as they did for Stonewall Jackson.
But there are individuals who have served this country. John J. Persing,
(23:03):
Pershing who famously was sent into Mexico to teach them
a lesson that Trump's about to have to remind them
that we are not to be trifled with, and don't
think for a moment we are. And with this legendary lineage,
the idea of putting idiots in positions that our soldiers, marines, sailors,
(23:29):
airmen would have to serve under is absolutely infuriating. So
President Trump and Pete Hegseth, you probably know this is
not new news. It's just it's been on my list
of things to get to. They fired the Joint Chiefs chairman,
a fellow named General C. Q. Brown, and he's got
(23:49):
to be the wokest Joint Chiefs Chairman in American history,
and he is. He's an absolute atrocity. Here he is
speaking at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. This was
supposed to be our Joint Chiefs Chairman, and all he
cares about is I'm black. There's more of a bunch
of black people in here. I want to get all
the white people out of here.
Speaker 11 (24:09):
And one of the examples that our analogies that was
shared with me that I think is actually makes it
very simple to understand. And you for diversit and inclusion inequity,
you really want to be invited and have the opportunity
to participate. And for those who can go back to
eighth grade and you went to the eighth grade dance,
you know, you want to be invited to the dance
and then once you get there, that's the diversity that
(24:31):
you have an opportunity to come to the dance. But
the inclusion inequity part is that you get asked to dance.
You're not just there at the dance. And so it's
for an aspect of the United States Air Force the
things I think about is not only having diverse, you know,
slates of candidates for some key positions, but it's also
that you have to select some of those individuals into
those key positions. And that's a key aspect of what
(24:53):
I'm focused on as a chief of staff is you
can't let it just be happenstance that brings in the
diversity where there be race, gender, ethnic background, sexual orientation,
so background. You really got to spend some time thinking
about it, because you made this an opportunity if you
don't really spend some time looking at the slate of
candidates and then asking some hard questions. And that's an
(25:13):
aspect of you know, me as the chief of staff
when I sit down with Secretary breat We just had
a conversation about this yesterday as we're looking at some
key positions, you know, who are diverse candidates and are
we making sure we are grooming them so they have
the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, so when a war breaks out, we're going to
have a lot of talk about are there enough blacks
or lesbians or boys who are girls. Same conference, same
guy bragging about purposely building his team with people of
diverse backgrounds that means not white males.
Speaker 11 (25:51):
All of us have to seek out those diverse candidates
to bring them in. That's that's what we're trying to
do in the Air forces. You almost got to purposely
manage some of this. You just can't let it. If
you do it by happenstance won't change. We've got to
be actually involved as leaders from all backgrounds to ensure
we have it, and it really makes for better organization.
I mean, I get so much out of the purposely
build my office, my front office, my team with divers
(26:12):
n I'll hire for diversity.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Japanese companies are some of the finest in the world,
and they lack diversity. You've got a lot of dysfunctional
organizations that Democrats have taken over in this country that
are full of diversity, by which they mean just hiring
not white males. And it does not make things better here.
He is same jackass telling the Washington Post, Well, listen.
Speaker 11 (26:38):
We've got to actually nutch and pull and actually purposely
managed and ensure that we have diverse candidates that can
compete and if they need some help in certain areas
with coaching or add additional training or additional opportunities that
is something we've got to continue to work on as well.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Here he is talking to PBS News Hour when he
was asked if a recruits social media should be looked
at on recruitment.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
Should recruit social media be looked at to find extremist tendencies?
My concern is that individuals will put things on social
media that they would never say to your face, okay,
And that to me is an indicator. And that's why,
you know, being able to take a look at social
media will also tell you a little bit about character
and the individual that you're bringing into our service.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Go look up the Syracuse scar study and women who
thought that a scar had been painted on their face,
but it was removed and they went into an interview,
and they came back and asked them how the interview
went and whether the people were bothered by the scar
on their face. And they all perceived that the scar
on their face would mean that they weren't going to
get the job because the person was acting crazy towards them,
but they didn't realize they didn't have a scar on
their face. If you believe racism is everywhere, then you
(27:45):
will end up seeing racism everywhere. Here he is seeing
the beauty of the overdose death of Saint George Floyd
on PBS News Hour.
Speaker 11 (27:56):
Are the solutions essentially breaking a white boy? Well, part
part of the solution is actually happened to the first
slate of candidates when you look at any one of
our positions we're doing interviews, is you want to have
a diverse slate of candidates. And it does two things
and industing to somebody you may not already know. The
second thing it does, it prepares that individual for freuture interviews.
He sends any resistance to that, no, you know, buy
(28:18):
and large. I think many of our airmen and our leaders,
and our senior leaders in particular, they get it. And
I think it's in some cases it may have been
a blind spot force where we weren't really paying attention
to it. I think the beauty of you know, it
is tragic at George Floyd's death is and the other
events that surround that, the fact we're taking our heart
look at ourselves, and I think it's opened some eyes
(28:41):
to somebody. Ramen who are just like this, you.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Know, are awful. They use everything they can for their
own agenda, which is more blacks, more blacks, which is
really his way of saying more of him. Here he
is telling the air Force there, airmen need to value diversity.
You need you need to all want more Black people.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Can't fixed censories of racism in our country, or what
can I fix decades the discrimination may have impacted members
of our air force. I'm thinking about how I can
make improvements personally, professionally and institutionally so that all entering
both the day tomorrow appreciate the value of diversity.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And to close the show, here was Pete hegseeth. I
guess it was yesterday. They all run together now, turning
the tables on a reporter who asked about the quote
unquote unqualified retired general that Trump picked as his new
chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I love Secretary
of Hegseth's answer, qualified.
Speaker 11 (29:38):
High Tenant Jucklo to be the next chairman of the joke.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
I'm gonna I'm gonna choose to reject your unqualified question.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Here's next reject unqualified questions, folks, there's your there's your
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