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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
So Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
You've heard Turn the Beat Around by Vicki Sue Robinson,
Heaven on the seventh Floor of a Freak by Chic
Fly Robin fly By, the Silver Connection, and now number
five on the Station where the seventies survived, KB I
L L Y.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
But found that'll be an oppress. That's all I don't
see an The white Lady said nobody knows black stuggle
like white wizard. And I thought I was having a
dead life until I got.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Be's the cable. Remon't turn that up again, because sometimes
buried in laughter, buried in comedy is what turns out
to be a very very prescient statement. This comedian's name
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is Jason j y s N. I don't know why
some black people put an extra y in. Jason is
still Jason. There are a few. We actually have a
show sponsor who he puts the Y in there, but
mostly it's a black thing, and I don't know why.
I'm not mad about it, but I'm figuring, did you
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put the y to tell people that A is long?
Because I don't think anybody's trying to say Jason or Johnson.
I think pretty much people know jas O n is Jason,
and if you can put a y in the middle
of it. It's not like, hey, we're going to name
him something that a lot of people are already named,
and that's because we like the name. But maybe it's
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too common, so we're going to add a Y in
there and be like, I see people who have a
real common name, and I have Michael, so it's the
most common name out there, but for some odd reason
I like it. Maybe it's my narcissism, but I see
people that have a really really common name, but they
changed the parents, changed the spelling on it. What are
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you doing there, It's just come up with a different
name if you want to be so different. But anyway,
back to the point, his name is Jason Cross, and
now you'll remember how to spell his name, Jyn Cross.
Black guy. I'd never heard of him before, but I
came across this set he was doing and he makes
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the statement, I just found out I'm being oppressed. I
saw it on CNN and a white lady said it,
nobody knows the black struggle like white women. I didn't
know I was being oppressed till I got basic cable,
But underneath that is this statement. These white liberal women
running around telling black people your life is miserable, and
they're going, no, no, I'm fine. I found out on
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being oppressed. That's all I dont see an A white
lady said.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Nobody knows black stung like white women, and.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I thought I was having a.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Dead life until I got these the cable.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Since we're on the subject of awkward racial discussions and
that is the national obsession. I don't know this woman's name,
so I can't tell you who she is other than
that she's an idiot, but she's not uncommon. She was
on Piers Morgan's show, and Piers Morgan, she's Piers Morgan's guest,
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and she says to a white woman with whom she's arguing,
I can't be racist to you because I'm black. I
can't be racist. Now, when you listen to this, I
want you to understand this is one of the most
central themes to the split on how we deal with
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race in America. It is more profound than just who's
racist and who's not. Such a silly word, Such a silly,
silly word that is devoid of any meaning, any longer.
But what we're really discussing here is will there be
a sense of equal application of social moras? Will it
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be okay for a white person for a black person
to say things about white people that if a white
person said about black people would be very upsetting. Get
you canceled? Will that be okay? Will it be okay
for a black person to say, I'm not going to
hire anyone white for this job, only a black person.
Will it be okay in our laws? Will it be
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okay in our public speeches? Will it be okay in
our politics? These are the sorts of things we struggle
through now. I don't It's pretty simple to me, say
what you want to say, and if someone's feelings are hurt,
they can decide how they want to deal with it.
I don't believe in canceling anybody. I don't care if
it's a black person saying it or a white person
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saying it. I don't care what the historical implications are.
And I think that most people who run around screaming racism,
ninety nine point nine percent of them are really small minded,
really stupid, sometimes overly sensitive people, And I think they're
the worst of America. I think they're the absolute worst
of America. They're not inventors, they're not creators, they're not doers,
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they're not builders. They don't in any way make America great,
never have, never will. They're small minded, petty, infighting, silly,
stupid people always nine nine point nine percent. I mean,
find me the exception to the rule and I'll point
it out. But I can't think who it is. But
listen to this woman and what she's saying. And I
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want you to ask yourself this question. Where do you
come down on this?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Now?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You can restought cannot be racist to white women.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Sorry? That makes no sense. Sorry, black women cannot be
racist to white women.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
Do you not understand?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Don't have to intellection?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Oh yes, can I understand that?
Speaker 8 (06:13):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yes, very much. And you've been racist to me, that's
very much. You've been racist to me, a white man,
I say, you on the race? Yeah, how am I
racist to you?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'm black?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I can't be racist. You called me a race bats
with no evidence. To me when you could be racist
to me? When have I been a race based powerhouse?
Tell me when I've been a race well, you may
be a powerhouse. Say something you may be, you may
be a powerhouse. Okay, when have I been a race baits?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Admit that?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
When have I been a race bates? Okay? When have
I been a race baits? Okay? Tell me give me
one example of me race baitsy Blossom go.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I'm here at this point.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I'm just here to talk about trans women in sports.
I said what I say, So, you don't have anything
to you anything cool.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
So I don't know why people have such people on
their show. I don't understand is that interesting?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Is that?
Speaker 8 (07:17):
I mean?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Sure, you can't turn it off. That that part is true.
You can't turn it off. You can't look away. It
is the the It is the ultimate uh train wreck.
There's there's no doubt about that. It is the absolute
utter train wreck. But do you want to listen to that?
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I understand I've subjected it to you, So who am
I to say? But I say that by way of
denigrating it, by way of saying a serious nation has
got to get past this racial problem. Our diversity is
not our strength any longer. Our diversity has become a
cudgel that some people use against others. And it's not
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just that blacks use it against whites, white liberals use
it in what is truly you want to talk about racism?
The worst form of racism is liberal white women telling
black people to stay on the plantation so they can
control them. Don't speak up, I'll speak for you. You
sh hush, hush. I'll handle this. I'm the white liberal
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wan to hear it. He'll just go ahead and say it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Sorry, Michael Very show the bring down, the Battle of
the Man.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I ride a rubbing. I don't make name. So the
Democrat Party is at an inflection point. Chuck Schumer, who
has been the face of the party and the back
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room negotiator strategists for their sort of how they handle legislation.
It's been Nancy and Chuck, and as much as I
don't like them, they've been very effective at executing their agenda.
At present, they are they are on the run, but
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they're not on the run from our side of the island.
They're on the run from their side. The left doesn't
want what would be within the moderate side, the moderate
end of the spectrum, if the entirety of the spectrum
is the Democrat Party. So you start to the left
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of metal and they're all over there. Pelosi and Schumer
would be in the middle of that, not at the
far left end. So it's not the middle of society,
it's the middle of their party alone. The left doesn't
want that anymore. The progressive the progressives with a nice smile,
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you know this, This is the sort of first you
first just tolerate a community, and then you're required to
support them, and then if you don't, you're canceled. But
you start it just an incremental growth. Well, Jasmine Crockett,
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who is just this loud mouth woman who has sort
of filled the void of Sheila Jackson Lea since her passing.
The problem is media loves to put these people on
because they're hilarious and you can't turn it off. So
here's Jasmine Crockett talking about hold On said here she
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is talking about Ted Cruz.
Speaker 9 (11:09):
I think that you punch.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I think you punch.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
I think you're okay, you okay, we're punching, you know,
I think, and I love Colin and I think towards
the end he started to punch a little harder.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
But like it's sad Cruz.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
I mean, like this dude has to be knots over
the head like hard, right, Like there is no niceties
with him, like at all, Like you you go clean
off on him.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
So is Jasmine Crockett some ghetto dwelling, trash talking, tworking
woman or is she the candidate who first ran for
office and won? I don't know. I don't know who
she really is. One of them is a posed and
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the fact that she can and use this latter of personality,
whether it's opposed or now she gets to shine through,
is of no consequence to me. It is time that
we get serious about dealing with bad people and keep
them out of the government, and keep them out of
administrative positions, and keep them out of teaching, and keep
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them We're not solving problems, We're making them worse by
putting people like her in positions. Well, she is now
trashing trashing Chuck Schumer the way AOC is so that
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you would, okay, you can tolerate that because the money
is not listening to her. But here is Nancy Pelosi
being critical of Chuck Schumer while at the same time
demonstrating why she is the most effective speaker in history.
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Some of you lose your mind when I say that,
Oh hat, you can hate her, You can hate Tom
Brady you can hate Michael Jordan. That doesn't get too
that is the effectiveness.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You're a pit.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Your like of her or dislike has nothing to do
with how effective she was at doing her job. When
she is criticizing humor, he's in trouble. It's about what
comes next.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
I myself don't give away anything for nothing, and I
think that's what happened the other day. We could have,
in my view, perhaps gotten them to agree to a
third way, which was a bipartisan cr for two four
weeks in which we could have had bipartisan legislation to
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go forward.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
So she first, so she she claims to be showing
respect for him, but and the butt is he gave
away the shop. He is not good at his job.
That's where the money gas will say, all right, he's
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gotta go. Then there's crazy burning. He was on CNN
and he said that he disagrees with Schumer, but Chuck's
not the problem, make no mistake. He first guts him,
and then just like Nancy Pelosi in reverse order, he
says no, no, no, but but Chuck's not the problem,
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while saying Chuck's the problem.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Where everyone's beating up on Chok and I strugg you
disagree with him strongly. No one is in the caucus
more critical of Schuma than I am. But it's not Schuma,
it's the caucus. It's not the caucus, it's the Democratic Party.
You gotta take the deep rep and understand that you
have a Democratic Party. You know, you got a Republican
body which is all by Any Republican who defies Donald
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Trump will be primaried by must unlimited.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Amounts of money.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
In the Democratic Party, you got a party that is
heavily dominated by the billionaire class, run by consultants who
are way out of touch with reality. It has the
Democratic Party as virtually no grassroots support.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
An NBC News poll shows that liberal white women are
the spawn of the devil. My words, not theirs. But
I stand by and listen to the story.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
To see this. White women with at least a college.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Degree the only group of white voters that really kind
of is on the left politically aligned with progressive causes
democratic politics.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Give you an.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Example here is that DEI question.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Right here that we asked about in our poll.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
We had two big statements we read to voters, basically,
do you want to continue DEI program or do.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
You think they should be ended.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And again, look at this divide.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Here, white men no degree ended, White men with a
degree end it, they say, White women no degree end
it they say by double digits.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
And then white women with a college degree completely different.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
By a nearly forty point margin. They say, to continue DEI.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
White liberal women, that's the group, that's the problem. You
look at the numbers. What happened. We sent them all
to universities and they were educated by other liberal white women.
Now white women, don't get upset. We're talking about liberal
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white women. Understand the difference.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
This is the Michael Verie Show.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Yeah, that's on.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Such a time.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I am best flight astronaut Clayton Anderson is our guest.
With space being in the news, who better to join
the show. He saw him on Fox News as their
expert on the matter last week. Clayton, let's start with
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your reaction emotionally, personally, professionally when you saw our astronauts
come home last week. That was pretty thrilled.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
You know, I've been removed from that game for I
don't know, probably fifteen years now, but I replaced Sonny
as back in two thousand and seven when she had
finished her first flight.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
So I have a.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Kinder and spirit with my space sister, and it was
important for them to get home safely after all that,
and I'm glad they did.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
I know, you stay up on NASA matters and space matters.
What happened. My understanding is they were going up for
a few days, and nine months later they were stranded there.
Can you explain that?
Speaker 7 (18:10):
Yeah, I don't know if i'd use the word stranded,
but the star Liner, the Boeing star Liner, took them
up for an eight to ten day test flight with
a crew, and then they had thrust problems. So then
they said, well, let's keep them on there for a while,
which is an awesome answer, right to spend a couple
months on the space station while we look at the
star Liner and try to figure out what happened. So
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they do all that, and then they come to the
conclusion that well, you know, we're not going to be
able to fix the problems, and we don't want Butchers
Sonny to risk coming back on the star Liner, and
so they sent it back empty. Well, now they are
stranded for a brief period because they don't have a
rescue craft. You know, whenever you fly to the space station.
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The seat that you fly in to the station on
is your escape seat to go home. And so that's
why they needed the SpaceX crew to come up with
two empty seats so they could dock and stay there
and bring Butching Sonny home. The thing I don't really
understand is why they made those that crew spend their
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whole increment and made Butcher and Sonny spend that whole increment,
which then drove to the nine months. That's the part
I don't know, and I'm not privy.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
To all Right, Clayton, if you wouldn't say they were
stranded there, what word would you use?
Speaker 7 (19:27):
I would say.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
The better word that's more descriptive.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Okay, So between the time when the star Liner left
and the time the SpaceX Dragon came up with two
empty seats, they were kind of stranded, So my bad.
But once they get up there, there's plenty of food,
there's plenty of water, there's plenty of oxygen, there's plenty
of clothes, so, you know, and it's a very safe environment.
We understand that environment. We've understood it for you know,
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twenty something years now, so and they could contribute to
the mission objective of doing science and repair and maintenance
and all those good things.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
When you.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
That's a long period of time, so there had to
have been provision made obviously for things like food and water.
Do you have any sense of the length of those provisions,
those stocks? I mean, how long could this have gone on?
Speaker 7 (20:28):
It can go on for quite a while. What we
have to understand is that the supply chain to get
supplies back and forth from the International Space Station was
never broken, right progress vehicles came from Russia, other vehicles
bring stuff up, so that part was intact. So there
was plenty of food, plenty of water, and they were
never worried from that aspect. I would imagine once they
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figured out Sonny and Butch were going to be there
for a while, they did a little bit of scrambling
to get clothing in their size and those sorts of
things on the next delivery vehicle to come up to them.
But once all that happened, it's pretty much steady as
she goes. Well.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
The problem with that is women will often lie about
their sizes because they don't want to be there. So you,
I guess you have to you have to prepare on
that account, you know, and add a little extra fluff.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Yeah, I'm sure that was done.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
You know, I buy all my pants now with an
element that we didn't have growing up with the you know,
the Levi's, and it's it's a little a little stretch factor,
so they can they can stretch out or close up,
depending on how I'm doing that week. Maybe maybe they
did that.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
Well.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
You know, it's funny. I lost both times I flew
five months and two weeks, and both times I lost
the same amount of weight twelve pounds when I got
up to space, and of course I gained it right
back when I came back to Earth.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
All Right, I have a question. We're going to handle
this delicately, but we have to handle it because I've
always been curious. Do you use whatever words you want
to use to keep it clinical, But how does one
How does one pass a movement when you're up there.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
The same way you pass a movement when you're down here.
You just need a little bit of a vacuum cleaner.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Oh okay, and and the same for for uh, same
for the pep.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yes, the the.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Pepe is you just pee into a hose and it
sucks it down into a can. And back in those days,
we use kind of Russian kitty litter was inside the
can some some form of absorption. And then in the
number two there's a plastic bag that has holes in it,
and the holes allow the fan to draw the air
through that bag, which then inflates or opens it so
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you can drop your addition into the UH into the fray,
and then you take all your clean up things, your gauze,
your toilet tissue, your gloves, all those things, and you
put it in that little plastic bag and then you
snap the top off and has a nice tight rubber band,
and then just push it down in the can and
you're good to go for the next time.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Are you anxious and tense when you're doing such things
or does it just become second nature?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
The very first time on the shuttle, I was scared
to death. I read that checklist one hundred times and
I made sure everything was good to go. It was
all successful.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
But I learned one.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Thing, and that was the next time I was going
to go number two on any space vehicle, I was
getting naked. I was taking off everything because I didn't
need anything inhibiting me.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Right, Interesting, how does it change you? How emotionally physically
anything like, what are the things we would take for
granted or that we wouldn't notice that space does to you.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Physically. I don't think much. For me my five months
and my rehab took about three weeks coming home. I
think Sonny and Butch will probably have double that maybe.
But what it did for me was it strengthened my
faith in God. As I looked at Earth, all I
could think of was Man. None of this is random.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You know.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
You hear about the overview effect and the orbital perspective
that astronauts talk about on occasion, and I believe all that.
All that's true. We're on spaceship Earth, right, we should
take care of Earth. But for me, it just strengthened
my faith. You know, for a small town kid from
Nebraska that would end up in outer space for one
hundred and sixty seven days and have the privilege of
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the things that I was exposed to and allowed to do,
it's all about my faith.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Well, so much of life is, if viewed properly, an
opportunity to get to do something, and most people are
never going to go to space. But whatever that is,
and our men industry where it is, our life where
it is, our influence where it is. And I think
it's all about perspective. And you have such a good
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perspective as an astronaut. You've used it to write children's books.
We'll talk to astronaut Clayton Anderson coming up.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
This is the Michael Berry Show. You want to climb
on a rock?
Speaker 5 (25:38):
You want to go to space?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Won't to leave the Earth without a trace. Tried fourteen
times but they said no way. But the fifteenth time
you was on your way. Oh, has so much fun
on the eyes.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Space walson success.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You're the spaceman to X shows in your.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Name is Clayton on the Michael Berry Show. Your mother
wanting the busy lest.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
As of fun, Space shuns Clayton.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Clay.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Not every day you get your own customized intro by
chance McLean.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Hey, that was pretty awesome pick out.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
You know we would license it. We will license that
to you for your own introductions, for your speeches and things,
if you would like, okay. Clayton Conrad Anderson is a
retired NASA astronaut Launstone STS one seventeen. He replaced Sunita
Williams on June tenth, two thousand and seven as a
member of the ISS Expedition fifteen crew, currently an author,
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motivational speaker, and professor of practice at Iowa State University
in Ames, Iowa. Twenty twenty two, he became the president
and CEO of the Strategic Air Command and Aerospace Museum.
I just was reading from your wiki Wikipedia profile. I
don't know if you've if you've checked that out in
a while, Clayton, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
I wrote most of it.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
I wasn't going to say that. Let me ask you
a question. So in I don't know, two thousand and
nine or so, Charles Bolden, who was then the NSA
or NASA director, I don't know if you knew him
or not. He gave an interview where he said that
President Trump had given him three goals and none of
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them were related to space travel or science. The third
being to tell the Muslim world that they have a
contribution historically to math and science and you know that
they matter. It was part of the Muslim outreach, and
I thought to myself, you know, a once great space
program has now been reduced to patting countries on the
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back so they feel good about themselves. What is the
state of NASA today?
Speaker 7 (28:28):
That's a good question. I think there's some unknowns going
on with the new administration and the changes that have
got over the last few years, and the space launch
system is probably concerning given costs and schedule. I mean,
it's always about budget and money and schedule. And when
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you have people like SpaceX and Blue Origin and Virgin
Galactic out there pushing the commercial envelope, I think all
that's good. I think it forces us to look at
things different light.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Do you do you think that space travel as we
once knew it, at least as as conducted by NASA.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Is over?
Speaker 5 (29:12):
And how do you see SpaceX fitting into all of that.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
I don't think it's over. I think that, you know,
having a presence in the federal government is important. You know,
if you look back at Challengering Columbia, the reason that
we were able to continue on was because of the
push from the federal government. So I think it's a combination.
I think it's important that we have these commercial space
flight companies that are pushing the envelope and showing us
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what's possible and bringing the prices down. Those are all
good things. Think about Orville and Wilbur at Kitty Hawk
in nineteen oh three when they flew their right flyer,
and now think about what you can do today on
a commercial aircraft.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Right.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
None of that was believed to be possible back then,
but now it is. It's commercially driven, and it's very
safe and used by many, many people. So I think
that's a good analogy. We're on the cusp of that.
We're on the beginning of that in spaceflight, where Orble
and Wilbur might have been back in nineteen oh three.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
What do you make of Elon's ability to do the
things he's done as a private company on a lean budget,
And yet I mean, you know, they're sure there are
failures along the way. NASA had failures. It's a dangerous business.
But I'm not a scientist. I don't have obviously the
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experience you do. But I am in awe of what
they have accomplished. But I'm curious your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
I am too, you know, as an astronaut who flew
on the Space Shuttle and lived on the Space Station.
Those were pretty incredible accomplishments. But if you look at
what he's done and the speed the rate at which
he's done it, it's kind of unprecedented. Now, what folks
have to understand is statistics. Down the road, there will
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be a problem. There will be a death. You know,
someone will die, just it's statistics, and we hope that
never happens, right, but I think it's inevitable. And then
how the recovery is from all of that is what's
important to me. You know, does he take his millions
and go home or does he stay and fight the
battle and make it better and go again and all
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those things. So it's like the explorers in America back
in the day when they started to move west across
the country, right, they were uncovering problems every day and
they were fighting against things they didn't know existed. So
we're in that way in space travel. And I always
talk about the threats of spaceflight, danger, difficulty, and dollars,
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and those are very prevalent. We know it's dangerous. We
oftentimes figure out and fix the difficult, but it's all
about the dollars.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Clayton Anderson astronaut Clayton Anderson's our guest. I have two
minutes left, so I'm going to be fast because I've
been wanting to ask you about this for a while.
So you served as an Aquanaut during the NEMO five
mission on the Aquarius Underwater Laboratory, living and working underwater
for fourteen days. Right, what is the future of our ability?
Jacques Cousteau style to go under the water and spend
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any significant time there.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
I probably have less expertise. If I have any expertise in.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Anything, just make something up.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Okay, it's fascinating. I think it's an extreme environment. Right,
Space and underwater are extreme environments outer space and inner space,
and those are perfect places to figure out what humans
can do, what we can stand, how much stress we
can take, how we work together with each other. They're
just great analogies for doing incredible things. So I think,
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you know, we should live underwater too. In space and underwater,
I think they're both great venues.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
You know, the mind of a child and what inspires
a child, what they read, what they see, what they hear,
these sorts of things. I think you have to have
those things to light that fire in a young mind
and understand why math and science, physics and literature and
all these things are so incredibly important. Clayton Anderson, it's
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always a pleasure. We will have you back again. I
appreciate you sir.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
I appreciate you, Michael, and my best to the King
of Ding as well.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
You got it.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Astronaut Clayton Anderson our guest there. President Trump talks a
lot about our birthright of greatness and our legacy of exceptionalism,
a word that Rush really brought back into America's common vernacular,
common conversation, this idea of American exceptionalism, and that is
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what Elon represents. That's what Edison represented, That's what Steve
Jobs represented, That's what we should be exceptional great We
have to be careful because there's a always some ninny,
there's always some lefty, there's always some loony, there's always
somebody that wants to destroy this country from within. Don't
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forget who and what we are. Elon proved that with SpaceX,
but there are so many others, so many of you
that in your own walk of life, in your own way,
represent American exceptionalists. And I'm glad to get to join
you here every single day. It's my honor.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
ELSD thank you, and have a good night.
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
So Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
You've heard Turn the Beat Around by Vicki Sue Robinson,
Heaven on the seventh Floor of a Freak by Chic
Fly Robin fly By, the Silver Connection, and now number
five on the Station where the seventies survived, KB I
L L Y.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
But found that'll be an oppress. That's all I don't
see an The white Lady said nobody knows black stuggle
like white wizard. And I thought I was having a
dead life until I got.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Be's the cable. Remon't turn that up again, because sometimes
buried in laughter, buried in comedy is what turns out
to be a very very prescient statement. This comedian's name
(01:11):
is Jason j y s N. I don't know why
some black people put an extra y in. Jason is
still Jason. There are a few. We actually have a
show sponsor who he puts the Y in there, but
mostly it's a black thing, and I don't know why.
I'm not mad about it, but I'm figuring, did you
(01:31):
put the y to tell people that A is long?
Because I don't think anybody's trying to say Jason or Johnson.
I think pretty much people know jas O n is Jason,
and if you can put a y in the middle
of it. It's not like, hey, we're going to name
him something that a lot of people are already named,
and that's because we like the name. But maybe it's
(01:52):
too common, so we're going to add a Y in
there and be like, I see people who have a
real common name, and I have Michael, so it's the
most common name out there, but for some odd reason
I like it. Maybe it's my narcissism, but I see
people that have a really really common name, but they
changed the parents, changed the spelling on it. What are
(02:16):
you doing there, It's just come up with a different
name if you want to be so different. But anyway,
back to the point, his name is Jason Cross, and
now you'll remember how to spell his name, Jyn Cross.
Black guy. I'd never heard of him before, but I
came across this set he was doing and he makes
(02:37):
the statement, I just found out I'm being oppressed. I
saw it on CNN and a white lady said it,
nobody knows the black struggle like white women. I didn't
know I was being oppressed till I got basic cable,
But underneath that is this statement. These white liberal women
running around telling black people your life is miserable, and
they're going, no, no, I'm fine. I found out on
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being oppressed. That's all I dont see an A white
lady said.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Nobody knows black stung like white women, and.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I thought I was having a.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Dead life until I got these the cable.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Since we're on the subject of awkward racial discussions and
that is the national obsession. I don't know this woman's name,
so I can't tell you who she is other than
that she's an idiot, but she's not uncommon. She was
on Piers Morgan's show, and Piers Morgan, she's Piers Morgan's guest,
(03:46):
and she says to a white woman with whom she's arguing,
I can't be racist to you because I'm black. I
can't be racist. Now, when you listen to this, I
want you to understand this is one of the most
central themes to the split on how we deal with
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race in America. It is more profound than just who's
racist and who's not. Such a silly word, Such a silly,
silly word that is devoid of any meaning, any longer.
But what we're really discussing here is will there be
a sense of equal application of social moras? Will it
(04:29):
be okay for a white person for a black person
to say things about white people that if a white
person said about black people would be very upsetting. Get
you canceled? Will that be okay? Will it be okay
for a black person to say, I'm not going to
hire anyone white for this job, only a black person.
Will it be okay in our laws? Will it be
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okay in our public speeches? Will it be okay in
our politics? These are the sorts of things we struggle
through now. I don't It's pretty simple to me, say
what you want to say, and if someone's feelings are hurt,
they can decide how they want to deal with it.
I don't believe in canceling anybody. I don't care if
it's a black person saying it or a white person
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saying it. I don't care what the historical implications are.
And I think that most people who run around screaming racism,
ninety nine point nine percent of them are really small minded,
really stupid, sometimes overly sensitive people, And I think they're
the worst of America. I think they're the absolute worst
of America. They're not inventors, they're not creators, they're not doers,
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they're not builders. They don't in any way make America great,
never have, never will. They're small minded, petty, infighting, silly,
stupid people always nine nine point nine percent. I mean,
find me the exception to the rule and I'll point
it out. But I can't think who it is. But
listen to this woman and what she's saying. And I
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want you to ask yourself this question. Where do you
come down on this?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Now?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You can restought cannot be racist to white women.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Sorry? That makes no sense. Sorry, black women cannot be
racist to white women.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
Do you not understand?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Don't have to intellection?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Oh yes, can I understand that?
Speaker 8 (06:13):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yes, very much. And you've been racist to me, that's
very much. You've been racist to me, a white man,
I say, you on the race? Yeah, how am I
racist to you?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'm black?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I can't be racist. You called me a race bats
with no evidence. To me when you could be racist
to me? When have I been a race based powerhouse?
Tell me when I've been a race well, you may
be a powerhouse. Say something you may be, you may
be a powerhouse. Okay, when have I been a race baits?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Admit that?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
When have I been a race bates? Okay? When have
I been a race baits? Okay? Tell me give me
one example of me race baitsy Blossom go.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I'm here at this point.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I'm just here to talk about trans women in sports.
I said what I say, So, you don't have anything
to you anything cool.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
So I don't know why people have such people on
their show. I don't understand is that interesting?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Is that?
Speaker 8 (07:17):
I mean?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Sure, you can't turn it off. That that part is true.
You can't turn it off. You can't look away. It
is the the It is the ultimate uh train wreck.
There's there's no doubt about that. It is the absolute
utter train wreck. But do you want to listen to that?
(07:39):
I understand I've subjected it to you, So who am
I to say? But I say that by way of
denigrating it, by way of saying a serious nation has
got to get past this racial problem. Our diversity is
not our strength any longer. Our diversity has become a
cudgel that some people use against others. And it's not
(07:59):
just that blacks use it against whites, white liberals use
it in what is truly you want to talk about racism?
The worst form of racism is liberal white women telling
black people to stay on the plantation so they can
control them. Don't speak up, I'll speak for you. You
sh hush, hush. I'll handle this. I'm the white liberal
(08:21):
wan to hear it. He'll just go ahead and say it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Sorry, Michael Very show the bring down, the Battle of
the Man.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I ride a rubbing. I don't make name. So the
Democrat Party is at an inflection point. Chuck Schumer, who
has been the face of the party and the back
(09:07):
room negotiator strategists for their sort of how they handle legislation.
It's been Nancy and Chuck, and as much as I
don't like them, they've been very effective at executing their agenda.
At present, they are they are on the run, but
(09:33):
they're not on the run from our side of the island.
They're on the run from their side. The left doesn't
want what would be within the moderate side, the moderate
end of the spectrum, if the entirety of the spectrum
is the Democrat Party. So you start to the left
(09:54):
of metal and they're all over there. Pelosi and Schumer
would be in the middle of that, not at the
far left end. So it's not the middle of society,
it's the middle of their party alone. The left doesn't
want that anymore. The progressive the progressives with a nice smile,
(10:16):
you know this, This is the sort of first you
first just tolerate a community, and then you're required to
support them, and then if you don't, you're canceled. But
you start it just an incremental growth. Well, Jasmine Crockett,
(10:41):
who is just this loud mouth woman who has sort
of filled the void of Sheila Jackson Lea since her passing.
The problem is media loves to put these people on
because they're hilarious and you can't turn it off. So
here's Jasmine Crockett talking about hold On said here she
(11:05):
is talking about Ted Cruz.
Speaker 9 (11:09):
I think that you punch.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I think you punch.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
I think you're okay, you okay, we're punching, you know,
I think, and I love Colin and I think towards
the end he started to punch a little harder.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
But like it's sad Cruz.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
I mean, like this dude has to be knots over
the head like hard, right, Like there is no niceties
with him, like at all, Like you you go clean
off on him.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
So is Jasmine Crockett some ghetto dwelling, trash talking, tworking
woman or is she the candidate who first ran for
office and won? I don't know. I don't know who
she really is. One of them is a posed and
(11:59):
the fact that she can and use this latter of personality,
whether it's opposed or now she gets to shine through,
is of no consequence to me. It is time that
we get serious about dealing with bad people and keep
them out of the government, and keep them out of
administrative positions, and keep them out of teaching, and keep
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them We're not solving problems, We're making them worse by
putting people like her in positions. Well, she is now
trashing trashing Chuck Schumer the way AOC is so that
(12:42):
you would, okay, you can tolerate that because the money
is not listening to her. But here is Nancy Pelosi
being critical of Chuck Schumer while at the same time
demonstrating why she is the most effective speaker in history.
(13:03):
Some of you lose your mind when I say that,
Oh hat, you can hate her, You can hate Tom
Brady you can hate Michael Jordan. That doesn't get too
that is the effectiveness.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You're a pit.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Your like of her or dislike has nothing to do
with how effective she was at doing her job. When
she is criticizing humor, he's in trouble. It's about what
comes next.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
I myself don't give away anything for nothing, and I
think that's what happened the other day. We could have,
in my view, perhaps gotten them to agree to a
third way, which was a bipartisan cr for two four
weeks in which we could have had bipartisan legislation to
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go forward.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
So she first, so she she claims to be showing
respect for him, but and the butt is he gave
away the shop. He is not good at his job.
That's where the money gas will say, all right, he's
(14:15):
gotta go. Then there's crazy burning. He was on CNN
and he said that he disagrees with Schumer, but Chuck's
not the problem, make no mistake. He first guts him,
and then just like Nancy Pelosi in reverse order, he
says no, no, no, but but Chuck's not the problem,
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while saying Chuck's the problem.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Where everyone's beating up on Chok and I strugg you
disagree with him strongly. No one is in the caucus
more critical of Schuma than I am. But it's not Schuma,
it's the caucus. It's not the caucus, it's the Democratic Party.
You gotta take the deep rep and understand that you
have a Democratic Party. You know, you got a Republican
body which is all by Any Republican who defies Donald
(15:03):
Trump will be primaried by must unlimited.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Amounts of money.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
In the Democratic Party, you got a party that is
heavily dominated by the billionaire class, run by consultants who
are way out of touch with reality. It has the
Democratic Party as virtually no grassroots support.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
An NBC News poll shows that liberal white women are
the spawn of the devil. My words, not theirs. But
I stand by and listen to the story.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
To see this. White women with at least a college.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Degree the only group of white voters that really kind
of is on the left politically aligned with progressive causes
democratic politics.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Give you an.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Example here is that DEI question.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Right here that we asked about in our poll.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
We had two big statements we read to voters, basically,
do you want to continue DEI program or do.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
You think they should be ended.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And again, look at this divide.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Here, white men no degree ended, White men with a
degree end it, they say, White women no degree end
it they say by double digits.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
And then white women with a college degree completely different.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
By a nearly forty point margin. They say, to continue DEI.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
White liberal women, that's the group, that's the problem. You
look at the numbers. What happened. We sent them all
to universities and they were educated by other liberal white women.
Now white women, don't get upset. We're talking about liberal
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white women. Understand the difference.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
This is the Michael Verie Show.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Yeah, that's on.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Such a time.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I am best flight astronaut Clayton Anderson is our guest.
With space being in the news, who better to join
the show. He saw him on Fox News as their
expert on the matter last week. Clayton, let's start with
(17:21):
your reaction emotionally, personally, professionally when you saw our astronauts
come home last week. That was pretty thrilled.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
You know, I've been removed from that game for I
don't know, probably fifteen years now, but I replaced Sonny
as back in two thousand and seven when she had
finished her first flight.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
So I have a.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Kinder and spirit with my space sister, and it was
important for them to get home safely after all that,
and I'm glad they did.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
I know, you stay up on NASA matters and space matters.
What happened. My understanding is they were going up for
a few days, and nine months later they were stranded there.
Can you explain that?
Speaker 7 (18:10):
Yeah, I don't know if i'd use the word stranded,
but the star Liner, the Boeing star Liner, took them
up for an eight to ten day test flight with
a crew, and then they had thrust problems. So then
they said, well, let's keep them on there for a while,
which is an awesome answer, right to spend a couple
months on the space station while we look at the
star Liner and try to figure out what happened. So
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they do all that, and then they come to the
conclusion that well, you know, we're not going to be
able to fix the problems, and we don't want Butchers
Sonny to risk coming back on the star Liner, and
so they sent it back empty. Well, now they are
stranded for a brief period because they don't have a
rescue craft. You know, whenever you fly to the space station.
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The seat that you fly in to the station on
is your escape seat to go home. And so that's
why they needed the SpaceX crew to come up with
two empty seats so they could dock and stay there
and bring Butching Sonny home. The thing I don't really
understand is why they made those that crew spend their
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whole increment and made Butcher and Sonny spend that whole increment,
which then drove to the nine months. That's the part
I don't know, and I'm not privy.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
To all Right, Clayton, if you wouldn't say they were
stranded there, what word would you use?
Speaker 7 (19:27):
I would say.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
The better word that's more descriptive.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Okay, So between the time when the star Liner left
and the time the SpaceX Dragon came up with two
empty seats, they were kind of stranded, So my bad.
But once they get up there, there's plenty of food,
there's plenty of water, there's plenty of oxygen, there's plenty
of clothes, so, you know, and it's a very safe environment.
We understand that environment. We've understood it for you know,
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twenty something years now, so and they could contribute to
the mission objective of doing science and repair and maintenance
and all those good things.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
When you.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
That's a long period of time, so there had to
have been provision made obviously for things like food and water.
Do you have any sense of the length of those provisions,
those stocks? I mean, how long could this have gone on?
Speaker 7 (20:28):
It can go on for quite a while. What we
have to understand is that the supply chain to get
supplies back and forth from the International Space Station was
never broken, right progress vehicles came from Russia, other vehicles
bring stuff up, so that part was intact. So there
was plenty of food, plenty of water, and they were
never worried from that aspect. I would imagine once they
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figured out Sonny and Butch were going to be there
for a while, they did a little bit of scrambling
to get clothing in their size and those sorts of
things on the next delivery vehicle to come up to them.
But once all that happened, it's pretty much steady as
she goes. Well.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
The problem with that is women will often lie about
their sizes because they don't want to be there. So you,
I guess you have to you have to prepare on
that account, you know, and add a little extra fluff.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Yeah, I'm sure that was done.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
You know, I buy all my pants now with an
element that we didn't have growing up with the you know,
the Levi's, and it's it's a little a little stretch factor,
so they can they can stretch out or close up,
depending on how I'm doing that week. Maybe maybe they
did that.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
Well.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
You know, it's funny. I lost both times I flew
five months and two weeks, and both times I lost
the same amount of weight twelve pounds when I got
up to space, and of course I gained it right
back when I came back to Earth.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
All Right, I have a question. We're going to handle
this delicately, but we have to handle it because I've
always been curious. Do you use whatever words you want
to use to keep it clinical, But how does one
How does one pass a movement when you're up there.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
The same way you pass a movement when you're down here.
You just need a little bit of a vacuum cleaner.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Oh okay, and and the same for for uh, same
for the pep.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yes, the the.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Pepe is you just pee into a hose and it
sucks it down into a can. And back in those days,
we use kind of Russian kitty litter was inside the
can some some form of absorption. And then in the
number two there's a plastic bag that has holes in it,
and the holes allow the fan to draw the air
through that bag, which then inflates or opens it so
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you can drop your addition into the UH into the fray,
and then you take all your clean up things, your gauze,
your toilet tissue, your gloves, all those things, and you
put it in that little plastic bag and then you
snap the top off and has a nice tight rubber band,
and then just push it down in the can and
you're good to go for the next time.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Are you anxious and tense when you're doing such things
or does it just become second nature?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
The very first time on the shuttle, I was scared
to death. I read that checklist one hundred times and
I made sure everything was good to go. It was
all successful.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
But I learned one.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Thing, and that was the next time I was going
to go number two on any space vehicle, I was
getting naked. I was taking off everything because I didn't
need anything inhibiting me.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Right, Interesting, how does it change you? How emotionally physically
anything like, what are the things we would take for
granted or that we wouldn't notice that space does to you.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Physically. I don't think much. For me my five months
and my rehab took about three weeks coming home. I
think Sonny and Butch will probably have double that maybe.
But what it did for me was it strengthened my
faith in God. As I looked at Earth, all I
could think of was Man. None of this is random.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You know.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
You hear about the overview effect and the orbital perspective
that astronauts talk about on occasion, and I believe all that.
All that's true. We're on spaceship Earth, right, we should
take care of Earth. But for me, it just strengthened
my faith. You know, for a small town kid from
Nebraska that would end up in outer space for one
hundred and sixty seven days and have the privilege of
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the things that I was exposed to and allowed to do,
it's all about my faith.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Well, so much of life is, if viewed properly, an
opportunity to get to do something, and most people are
never going to go to space. But whatever that is,
and our men industry where it is, our life where
it is, our influence where it is. And I think
it's all about perspective. And you have such a good
(25:09):
perspective as an astronaut. You've used it to write children's books.
We'll talk to astronaut Clayton Anderson coming up.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
This is the Michael Berry Show. You want to climb
on a rock?
Speaker 5 (25:38):
You want to go to space?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Won't to leave the Earth without a trace. Tried fourteen
times but they said no way. But the fifteenth time
you was on your way. Oh, has so much fun
on the eyes.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Space walson success.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You're the spaceman to X shows in your.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Name is Clayton on the Michael Berry Show. Your mother
wanting the busy lest.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
As of fun, Space shuns Clayton.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Clay.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Not every day you get your own customized intro by
chance McLean.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Hey, that was pretty awesome pick out.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
You know we would license it. We will license that
to you for your own introductions, for your speeches and things,
if you would like, okay. Clayton Conrad Anderson is a
retired NASA astronaut Launstone STS one seventeen. He replaced Sunita
Williams on June tenth, two thousand and seven as a
member of the ISS Expedition fifteen crew, currently an author,
(27:12):
motivational speaker, and professor of practice at Iowa State University
in Ames, Iowa. Twenty twenty two, he became the president
and CEO of the Strategic Air Command and Aerospace Museum.
I just was reading from your wiki Wikipedia profile. I
don't know if you've if you've checked that out in
a while, Clayton, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
I wrote most of it.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
I wasn't going to say that. Let me ask you
a question. So in I don't know, two thousand and
nine or so, Charles Bolden, who was then the NSA
or NASA director, I don't know if you knew him
or not. He gave an interview where he said that
President Trump had given him three goals and none of
(27:56):
them were related to space travel or science. The third
being to tell the Muslim world that they have a
contribution historically to math and science and you know that
they matter. It was part of the Muslim outreach, and
I thought to myself, you know, a once great space
program has now been reduced to patting countries on the
(28:20):
back so they feel good about themselves. What is the
state of NASA today?
Speaker 7 (28:28):
That's a good question. I think there's some unknowns going
on with the new administration and the changes that have
got over the last few years, and the space launch
system is probably concerning given costs and schedule. I mean,
it's always about budget and money and schedule. And when
(28:48):
you have people like SpaceX and Blue Origin and Virgin
Galactic out there pushing the commercial envelope, I think all
that's good. I think it forces us to look at
things different light.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Do you do you think that space travel as we
once knew it, at least as as conducted by NASA.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Is over?
Speaker 5 (29:12):
And how do you see SpaceX fitting into all of that.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
I don't think it's over. I think that, you know,
having a presence in the federal government is important. You know,
if you look back at Challengering Columbia, the reason that
we were able to continue on was because of the
push from the federal government. So I think it's a combination.
I think it's important that we have these commercial space
flight companies that are pushing the envelope and showing us
(29:39):
what's possible and bringing the prices down. Those are all
good things. Think about Orville and Wilbur at Kitty Hawk
in nineteen oh three when they flew their right flyer,
and now think about what you can do today on
a commercial aircraft.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Right.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
None of that was believed to be possible back then,
but now it is. It's commercially driven, and it's very
safe and used by many, many people. So I think
that's a good analogy. We're on the cusp of that.
We're on the beginning of that in spaceflight, where Orble
and Wilbur might have been back in nineteen oh three.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
What do you make of Elon's ability to do the
things he's done as a private company on a lean budget,
And yet I mean, you know, they're sure there are
failures along the way. NASA had failures. It's a dangerous business.
But I'm not a scientist. I don't have obviously the
(30:33):
experience you do. But I am in awe of what
they have accomplished. But I'm curious your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
I am too, you know, as an astronaut who flew
on the Space Shuttle and lived on the Space Station.
Those were pretty incredible accomplishments. But if you look at
what he's done and the speed the rate at which
he's done it, it's kind of unprecedented. Now, what folks
have to understand is statistics. Down the road, there will
(31:01):
be a problem. There will be a death. You know,
someone will die, just it's statistics, and we hope that
never happens, right, but I think it's inevitable. And then
how the recovery is from all of that is what's
important to me. You know, does he take his millions
and go home or does he stay and fight the
battle and make it better and go again and all
(31:23):
those things. So it's like the explorers in America back
in the day when they started to move west across
the country, right, they were uncovering problems every day and
they were fighting against things they didn't know existed. So
we're in that way in space travel. And I always
talk about the threats of spaceflight, danger, difficulty, and dollars,
(31:44):
and those are very prevalent. We know it's dangerous. We
oftentimes figure out and fix the difficult, but it's all
about the dollars.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Clayton Anderson astronaut Clayton Anderson's our guest. I have two
minutes left, so I'm going to be fast because I've
been wanting to ask you about this for a while.
So you served as an Aquanaut during the NEMO five
mission on the Aquarius Underwater Laboratory, living and working underwater
for fourteen days. Right, what is the future of our ability?
Jacques Cousteau style to go under the water and spend
(32:14):
any significant time there.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
I probably have less expertise. If I have any expertise in.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Anything, just make something up.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Okay, it's fascinating. I think it's an extreme environment. Right,
Space and underwater are extreme environments outer space and inner space,
and those are perfect places to figure out what humans
can do, what we can stand, how much stress we
can take, how we work together with each other. They're
just great analogies for doing incredible things. So I think,
(32:46):
you know, we should live underwater too. In space and underwater,
I think they're both great venues.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
You know, the mind of a child and what inspires
a child, what they read, what they see, what they hear,
these sorts of things. I think you have to have
those things to light that fire in a young mind
and understand why math and science, physics and literature and
all these things are so incredibly important. Clayton Anderson, it's
(33:12):
always a pleasure. We will have you back again. I
appreciate you sir.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
I appreciate you, Michael, and my best to the King
of Ding as well.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
You got it.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Astronaut Clayton Anderson our guest there. President Trump talks a
lot about our birthright of greatness and our legacy of exceptionalism,
a word that Rush really brought back into America's common vernacular,
common conversation, this idea of American exceptionalism, and that is
(33:47):
what Elon represents. That's what Edison represented, That's what Steve
Jobs represented, That's what we should be exceptional great We
have to be careful because there's a always some ninny,
there's always some lefty, there's always some loony, there's always
somebody that wants to destroy this country from within. Don't
(34:08):
forget who and what we are. Elon proved that with SpaceX,
but there are so many others, so many of you
that in your own walk of life, in your own way,
represent American exceptionalists. And I'm glad to get to join
you here every single day. It's my honor.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
ELSD thank you, and have a good night.
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