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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's a genocide that's taken place that you people don't
want to write about, but it's a terrible thing that's
taken place. And farmers are being killed. They happen to
be white. But whether they're white or black makes no
difference to me. But white farmers are being brutally killed
and the land is being confiscated in South Africa.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
For the dramatic scene in the Oval Office today, the
tense confrontation President Trump ambushing the President of South Africa.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Next another Oval office meltdown, President Trump ambushing the President
of South Africa.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
President Trump is being accused of conducting something of a
diplomatic ambush a South Africa's president in the Oval Office.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
To be with you, I'm katie, sir, President Trump orchestrated
another Oval office ambush.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Today is today Donald Trump meeting with the President of
South Africa and attempting to ambush and humiliate that leader.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
Zelenski Territory where essentially he.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Was got his one big beautiful bill that he wanted
two fifteen to to fourteen was the vote. This is
a big political win for Donald Trump and for Speaker
Mike Johnson. May I say as well, only two Republicans
voting against it, every Democrat voting against it, and House
(01:34):
Freedom Caucus Chair Andy Harris abstaining or I think he
voted not President or President. I guess by him not
voting two fifteen to to fourteen was enough of a
majority to get it over the finish line. This is
a big domestic policy accomplishment win for Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's not a perfect bill.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I've got lots of complaints, but if I'm a seing,
did he need this done?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Does this matter? Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
This is a big win for him, and he's had
a string of them. Wow, I didn't see this one coming.
Jake Tapper and his co author Alex Thompson of Axios
have been everywhere hawking their new book, Original Sin, but CNN,
which has been promoting it at every turn, they're getting
(02:25):
some blowback from their own side. I mean even John
John Tapper, John Stewart, John Stewart laying the hammer on
him back.
Speaker 8 (02:38):
With breaking news in our Politics Lead and a brand
new excerpt from my upcoming book with Axios is Alex Thompson.
It's called Original Sin. I'm not sure if you've heard
of it. It's on Biden's decline. It's called Original Sin.
I'm sure you've heard. On May twentyth, that's Tuesday, Original Sin.
That's coming out in three weeks. On May twentieth, that's
just nineteen days away from one week and one day
coming out.
Speaker 7 (02:57):
In just a few days, comes out Tuesday.
Speaker 8 (02:59):
You will not believe what we found out.
Speaker 9 (03:16):
Don't newspeople have to tell you what they know when
they find it out. Isn't that the difference between news
and the secret. You won't believe what we found out.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I know That's why I'm watching it.
Speaker 10 (03:38):
Breaking news in a week now.
Speaker 9 (03:44):
I don't know how the rest of the country is
feeling about this book coming out, but I know New
York is hyped. How do you pivot from excitedly promoting
your anchor's book to somberly and respectfully promote your anchor's book.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
Adam's health was very much in the news even before
the cancer diagnosis was announced on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That's because of a new book. By seeing in Jake Tapper.
Speaker 11 (04:08):
This was already going to be a tough week, and
this makes it much harder. And that is a reference
to the fact that our colleague Jake Tapper and Alex
Thompson have a book that's set to publish on Tuesday.
Speaker 12 (04:21):
This very tough news, this very challenging news, and at
the same time, the backdrop of our colleague Jake Tapper's
book with Alex Thompson coming out this week.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
It's so hard, it's such a.
Speaker 9 (04:39):
Difficult time, so unfathomable in terms of the pain this
family must be feeling.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
And yet if you act now.
Speaker 9 (04:49):
And you use the code backslash tap that book, you will. Obviously,
this twyf of is not a who actually framed this
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difficult news as perhaps.
Speaker 10 (05:14):
Even more of a reason to buy this book.
Speaker 13 (05:16):
The timing, no, Former President Joe Biden's cancer diagnosis is
certainly dramatic, coming on the eve of a blockbuster new
book about his health and his time in the White House.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Go on.
Speaker 13 (05:29):
I'm sure some observers will say that the reporting in
the book is even more important now.
Speaker 9 (05:35):
Yet nobody's saying that. No observers will say it's more
important now. Some observers might think, did these CNN people
work on commission? Like why are they hawking this and things?
Is this a girl Scout cookie? Situation. Who lover sells
the most tap of books gets a shwin.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
We all remember MSNBC's Joe Scarborough making this absurd assertion
that Joe Biden was the best Joe Biden, best version
of Joe Biden ever.
Speaker 14 (06:07):
I've said it for years now.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
He's coagent, but I undersold him when.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I said he was cogent. She's far beyond cogent.
Speaker 14 (06:16):
In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been
intellectually analytically, because he's been around for fifty years.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And you know, I don't know if people know this
or not.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Biden used to be a hothead sometimes that irishman would
get in front of the reasoning. Sometimes you would say
things he didn't want to say. This is and I
don't really you know what, I don't really start your
tape right now because I'm about to tell you the
truth and f you if you can't handle the truth.
(06:52):
This version of Biden intellectually analytically.
Speaker 14 (06:59):
Is the best Biden ever, not a closed second. And
I've known him for years. The Presentskys have known him
for fifty years. If it weren't the truth, I wouldn't
say it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Jake Tapper was promoting his book on MSNBC's Morning Joe
when he did a solid for old Joe Scarborough.
Speaker 8 (07:18):
In your specific case, Joe, our reporting indicates that Joe Biden,
who as you know, is a frequent viewer of the show,
saw when David Ignatius wrote that column and I think
August twenty twenty three, saying that Joe Biden should not
run for reelection because of what he had been hearing,
and he came on this show and you guys had
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a robust conversation about this. You largely agreed that you'd
been hearing things about this, but that there was really
no alternative that Kamala Harris was not up to the job.
That's what Democrats were telling you. Behind the scenes. Joe
Biden saw that. Joe Biden said to staffers that he
wanted to convince you that you were wrong, and he focused.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
On you like you were Auency, like.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
You were farmers in Iowa, like you were the Kawanis
Club in New Hampshire, and he made sure that you thought.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
He made sure that you thought differently. I think he
did this with a couple people. I think he did
it with me. Chum. He might have done it with
evan Osnos.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
He knew that there were people that had to be
convinced that he was fine, and he tried to prove that.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Listened to the Michael Barry Show podcast, and you'll be
the smartest guy in the room. Share with your friends
and you'll be the most popular too.
Speaker 15 (08:30):
I wonder, what is your message to Hespala and it's
backer Iran.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
Don't, don't, don't.
Speaker 15 (08:38):
Don't you don't come across the border, don't escalate this war, don't, don't.
Speaker 16 (08:49):
Don't, don't, don't, don't.
Speaker 17 (08:58):
Well be happy, don't be happy, don't be happy.
Speaker 16 (09:18):
Don't let me down, don't tread me, don't let me down.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Don't. At the risk of repeating myself because I've said it.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Several times, I read Jake Tapper's book, so you wouldn't
have to. We could ignore the book, and my friend
Buck Sexton has said, ignore the book, don't buy it. Okay,
we can ignore the book, but there are things in
there and people's names and what they did that we
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have accused them of, and no one has confessed to it,
and a lot of people moderates, a lot of naive
neighbors don't know that it's true. The book does lay
out certain things as a confessional that were not documented before.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And part of the.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Fact is Jake Tapper has access to Democrats in a
way that there hasn't been a conservative who could get
them to say those sorts of things. What's the reasoning
behind Democrats telling Jake Tapper these things? Because they want
to improve the Democrat Party, because they feel left out,
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because they feel stilted or just are jilted that they
weren't chosen to run for office, or they weren't chosen
for a cabinet to say, I don't care forget the
messenger for a second. There are some interesting things that
are revealed in the book, but first understandably, we've got
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to get our pound of flesh. Jake Tapper has to grovel.
He's got to, and several people have made him grovel.
I think so far. Megan Kelly. Megan Kelly does the
best job. You know, he'd done NPR, Katie Couric and
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all that sort of stuff. But he went on Megan
Kelly and she pulled no punches, and to his credit,
he took the blows. He groveled the way he needed to,
and that is an important ritual that was carried out
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and here it.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Is leading up to the debate, which you anchored that
June twenty seventh debate twenty twenty four. There was a
ton of news leading into that debate in that month,
and we look back at your coverage and found that
you ignored it. Not only did you ignore the Jackie
wi Lurski moment when you had him thirteen days later,
but you ignored the freeze up that he had at
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the juneteenth celebration. You ignored what happened at the G
seven when he wandered off and Georgia Maloney, Prime Minister
of Italy had to go find him. You ignored the
freeze up at the George Clooney LA fundraiser.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You didn't cover it.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
You only covered it after the.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Debate, after George Clooney wrote his op ed, Jake, nobody
made you do that. There was your network at every
turn was telling us those were quote cheap fakes, and
you were not combating that narrative. CNN was actively misleading
us on what our very eyes were showing us the truth.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's the record. I will.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Acknowledge that after I was named.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
Moderator cooderator of the debate, I tried to make sure
that my coverage was fairly vanilla, both about Trump and
about Biden, because I just wanted to get to the
debate and the Biden people and the Trump people. I'm
kind of frankly surprised that either one of them agreed
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to have me as a moderator, because both sides disliked
me so much. But yeah, I remember that moment, and
I remember that moment, the glitch at the immigration event
and not getting much attention outside of conservative media at all.
And Alex and I are here to say that conservative
media was right, and conservative media was correct, and that
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there should be a lot of soul searching, not just
among me, but among the legacy media to begin with us,
all of us for how this was covered or not
covered sufficiently. So I mean, I'm not here to defend
coverage that I've already acknowledged.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
I wish I could do differently.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Jake Tapper told Megan Kelly that Biden's staffers lied because
of the existential threat that was Trump, and I will
tell you that reading this thing pretty carefully, the story
that Tapper and Alex Thompson tell is that the fear
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of Trump is so bad that it makes them crazy,
and that's what you're supposed to believe. But let me
remind you. The fear of Romney was that the fear
of Bush was that bad. The fear of Reagan, Dole, Bush, Nixon.
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They were this crazy over Nixon too. It's not that
Trump is somehow this awful monster. It is not just
a fear of Trump. It is the desperate desire for power.
They have to have power, and without it they have
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no lifeblood. If they can lie about the mental and
physical condition of the President of the United States, then
you better believe they will lie about the reason that
they did it. They blame Trump because in their bubble,
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they think it makes them look noble. They're fighting Hitler,
because once you convince yourself he's Hitler. This is how
studies on uh on dictators who get their people to
commit crimes. What happened in Liberia, what's happened in Somalia,
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what happened in under Paul pot and Cambodia.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Is when you can convince.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Your people that the other people are the devil, you
can get them.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
To do unspeakable things.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
You're going to hear Jake Tapper Gravel in just a moment,
and it's good.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
American is a nation that can be defined in a
single word. I got him, not only authentic Frontier Gibbery expressed.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Their courage scene of the Data Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
As promised, when Jake Tapper had to grovel at least
of the interviews I've seen the worst with Megan Kelly
and we were talking about these Democrats, and I think
Jake Tapper sides with them on this is. The reason
they lied was because Trump is so awful and he's
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a dictator and he's hitler and everybody's going to die.
And I think Jake Tapper believes that as well. And
one of the threads that comes through this book is
that the goal was to beat Trump. We have to
beat Trump, and that these people did what they did
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to beat Trump, and because they did what they did,
it cost them the election. So the anger is not
at them for lying, deceiving or destroying the democratic process
and handpicking Kamala, putting a guy in his president and
keeping him there who is brain dead. The answer is
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not for these people, you know what we did was wrong.
The answer is the strategy was wrong, and that cost
us the election. And now all hell has broken loose
because Trump is president again, and we're mad that Trump
is president, and so we blame you for doing what
you did because the public didn't respond well to what
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you did. So, in other words, it's not that you
did something immoral. It's not that you did something un American, unethical.
It's that you did something and got caught and it
was obvious, and now Trump is president. So it's not
that they're mad or indignant over the behaviors because they're wrong.
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It's they're mad because the behaviors led to Trump winning.
It's an important thing to understand. Anyway, Here is here
is Jake Tapper being made to go Megan Kelly.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
One of the things that emerged was that there were
two bidens. One was the fine Biden, serviceable, adequate, and
the other one was a non functioning Biden.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
And that's the one we saw the night of.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
The debate, and that's the one we saw some clips
up here and there that you just showed. And that
non functioning Biden the one that lost his train of
thought in a significant way, not in the way just
that every human loses their train of thought, but in
a way that shows that he's having trouble articulating his
very views, and the one who forgot the name of
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close aids, who was not able to come up with
George Clooney's name, didn't seem to recognize him. All that
sort of thing that non functioning Biden was, according to
our reporting, showed up as far back as twenty fifteen
after the death of Bow, where one top aid said
that that tragedy, the loss of bo was like watching
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somebody pour water on sand. That was the effect on
his psyche. And there were other moments in twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen. You hear some her report one of the
reasons he came to that conclusion was because of the
recordings they heard of Joe Biden in twenty seventeen talking
to his ghostwriter, in which he was similarly inclined. Obviously,
in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, there were other moments like that.
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Most of his campaign staff and others would say that
he's you know, look, he's seventy eight, he's seventy nine.
He has senior moments, but he's fine, he's fine, he's fine.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
Well, he wasn't.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Fine, And throughout his presidency that non functioning Biden would
show up more and more and more, and he was
worse and worse and worse, really.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Deteriorating tremendously.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
The next time there was a really horrible family incident,
which was when Hunter Biden's plea deal fell apart in
the summer of twenty twenty three, and then obviously in
June he was convicted. The thought the fear of losing
his son, not to jail, but maybe to another, to
a relapse, to an overdose, to a suicide, who knows,
was a very real fear, and the threat of losing
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a third child really just diminished tim tremendously, according to
top aides. So all of which is to say that
this was a deterioration, This was a progression. And look,
knowing what I know now, obviously I feel tremendous humility
about my coverage that Laura Trump interviewed, for example, etc.
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She saw something, she saw something that I did not
see at the time, one hundred percent, and I own that.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
So Jake Tapper's catching hell for pushing back against evidence
of Biden's decline from the right. He told NPR that
he wishes he had been more aggressive in his cover.
See He's rewriting. He's making his excuses, and as he develops,
he's coming up with new lines of defense for himself.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Look, I mean, we had all seen him aging, we
had all seen him tripping and misspeaking. We had all
seen evidence of decline. But the Biden team, family and
senior advisors were telling everybody, not just media, not just
the public, but also democratic donors and members of Congress,
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their own cabinet, He's fine, he's fine, he's fine, he's fine.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
You know, I think.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Everybody in that circle, in that world should be should
be thinking. I'm certainly thinking as a journalist, what should
I have done differently? You know, Alex and I cover this,
Alex very aggressively from the White House, beat me less so,
and I wish I.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
Had been more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
There are.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
There's a lot of regret, there's a lot of humility.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Jake Tapper sat down with Katie CURRK. That's a real
hard hitting interview. He talks about his dislike of Hunter Biden,
and he told her that Hunter was the de facto
chief of staff for.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
The Biden family.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
That ought to scare you, especially if you read the
book What a Mess Hunter was?
Speaker 10 (23:18):
How big a factor was the Hunter stuff.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
I think it was considerable.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
I think Hunter was driving the decision making for the
family in a way that people he was almost.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Like a chief of staff of the family.
Speaker 10 (23:30):
Does that strike you as pretty bizarre?
Speaker 8 (23:32):
It's bizarre because I think he is provably, demonstrably unethical, sleazy,
and prone to horrible decisions.
Speaker 10 (23:41):
Tell me how you feel, well, I mean.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
I just just look at the record.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
I mean, after his brother died, he cheated on his
wife with his brother's widow and then got her addicted
to crack.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
That's just one thing I could say.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
I mean there, I don't have a lot of personal
regard Trim and uh just based on having nothing to
do with I barely have ever met him.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
I've met him like once or twice.
Speaker 8 (24:07):
But I knew Bo Bo was a great, upstanding guy.
Speaker 10 (24:11):
I knew him too, really a real loss for.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
The country too, not just for his family, for the country.
But Hunter is not that and the idea of letting
him drive the family car, as it were, is just
really really questionable.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So then Tapper says he doesn't like Hunter Biden, but
and he was the de facto chief of staff or
the Biden family. But he says right wing allegations against
the family are too disgusting to repeat. Every one of
them is true, every last one of them.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
There's no evidence to support the allegation my father was
financially involved in my business because it did not happen.
There's no fairness or decency and what these Republicans are doing.
And I do have to say, whatever you think of
Hunter by and then there's certainly a lot of people
in this town, Democrats and Republicans, that do not think.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
A lot of him.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
There is a certain kind of like cruelty to the
campaign against him.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Where is Hunter? Where is Hunter? Where is Hunterkry?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
The right wing is going crazy with all sorts of
allegations about Biden and his family, too disgusting to even
repeat here. I mean, some of the ones I've seen
from the President's son and the president some of the
President's supporters are just wildly unhinged.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
I'm not sure what your question was with.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
The Michael Berris.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I lost the plot somewhere. You did you did? I
read Jake Jeffers Litually, you don't have.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Biden's aneurysm and near death experience in nineteen eighty eight. Interestingly,
of all the things that Biden lies about to puff
himself up in bluff as to his accomplishments. He doesn't
talk about the aneurysm, so the real medical issues he
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has he avoids. This is something that is very important.
His son did the same thing. So in twenty fifteen,
Bo dies. He'd been sick for two years. He was
the Attorney General of Delaware. He was coming to Houston.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
To go to M. D.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Anderson and he had some sort of a blastoma.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I don't remember exactly what it was.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Joe has talked about him himself being a gold Star dad.
You know that his son died in battle. Not true.
His son was sent to the Middle East as a
lawyer in the Jag Corps and he had been back
for five years at that point. So no, he wasn't
in battle, and he didn't die in uniform. As Joe
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has told some gold star families. The man is a
pathological liar.
Speaker 7 (27:07):
He really is.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
You could see that from the nineteen eighty eight election,
but his son denied. Health problems kept anyone from knowing that.
Now what's interesting is upon his son's death, Hunter, who
had had all these problems and was described as a
disappointment to his dad, Hunter, all of a sudden starts
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dating his now dead brother's widow.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
There is a lot of scuttle.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
But that.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
He was.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Knocking boots with Bo's widow before she was a widow
because Bo was still alive, and that's the kind of
person Hunter Biden is. Hunter Biden introduces her to cocaine
and meth, which she would end up having a problem with.
That's also a pattern. Hunter Biden introduces the women in
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his life to meth and they get hooked on it.
In twenty fifteen, when Bo dies, Hunter announces, Hey Dad,
I'm going to run for mayor of Wilmington.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Hunter.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
You're not allowed to run out of rehab. You've been
in rehab most of the time. They have a big
family interdiction with Hunter. He leaves the house and refuses
to participate. He dates Bo's widow, leaving Bo and his
widow's children in a real bad pickle. When drama unfolds there,
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Mom gets hooked on cocaine.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
He fathers another child.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Named Navy with the woman London, who was a stripper
in DC at the time.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
She in Little Rock.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
He refuses to admit it is his child, then he
marries a woman to this.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
By the way, to this day he still refuses it.
But the blood tests show that he did it. And
you know what, his.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Answer to the blood test is a Hillary Clinton answer.
His answer to the blood test is, that's just a
Republican conspiracy. They just did that to embarrass me. They
probably switched my blood in there. Believable, Hunter, very believable.
Then he meets a woman and three days later marries
her and she has a baby shortly thereafter.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So I don't know if they got pregnant. The first
who knows? Who knows?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
The younger sister has serious drug problems. That's Ashley. You
know about her problems. You know about the book and
all that. So there is this mythology that develops around
Joe Biden that he's very, very tough, that Joe Biden.
He writes a book and he says his dad always
told him to get up. Nobody keeps Joe Biden down.
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He gets up.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Well.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You start to note there's a disagreement as to when
the mental decline begins in earnest. There are some who
trace it to twenty fifteen, about the time bo dies,
and they blame it on Bo's death. Whatever the reason,
if he's out of it, he's out of it. Not
for me to decide. But there increasingly, all the way
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up to and before the twenty twenty election, there is
discussion about.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
His mental decline. More and more and more so.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
The idea that in twenty twenty he's fine and it's
not until recently that he declined.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
That is just not true.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
There are too many people who are close to him
who say that is just not true. His sister val
who had run every campaign of his since nineteen seven,
begged him not to run and writes a letter to
the family that he is in no condition to run,
he should not run, But of course Jill wins out.
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Another thing you noticed from this is that Jill isn't
that involved politically until about the mid two thousands, and
by twenty twenty she's running everything and her aid, Yes,
Jill had an aid. Anthony Bernal becomes deputy communications director,
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and many people claim that he was really running everything,
Jill's aid, not Joe Biden's aid, which is very odd.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Nobody's ever seen that.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
There's also a fun, little, fun little skirmish when Hunter
is with this woman, Kathleen, He treats her very very,
very badly, and she goes off and is estranged from
the Biden family. But while she was with Hunter, she
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became very good friends with Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama is
loyal to Kathleen, the ex wife, and feels that.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
The Bidens treated her horribly.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
So Michelle despises the Bidens and will never come around them,
and it gets pretty nasty.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Apparently over the years.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Nicki Hayley will give her credit for this phrase, referred
to the White House as the most privileged nursing home
in America because it was a nursing home.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Joe Biden would have in his annual.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Physical they would do a test a neurological test now
that is to see if the nerves are operating correctly,
but they would not do which every other president had done,
a cognitive exam, and the reason is his cognitive levels
were in deep, steep decline. Jake Tapper makes the point,
(33:13):
and I don't think this is just a what about
ism that this has been going on elderly people in
our government. This had been going on around twenty twenty already,
and he's absolutely right about this. Kay Granger from Texas,
she was in an assistant living center in Texas and
nobody knew. There are reports even her staff didn't know
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where she was. That should be criminal. She was still
holding the seat as a congressman. Mitch McConnell, freezing up, glitching.
What was going on? You had the speaker, You had
the Senate majority leader who can't do a press conference.
He was as bad as Biden. We have to acknowledge
(34:01):
that strom Thurman. Strom Thurmann died as a US Senator
at one hundred years old. Dianne Feinstein
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's a genocide that's taken place that you people don't
want to write about, but it's a terrible thing that's
taken place. And farmers are being killed. They happen to
be white. But whether they're white or black makes no
difference to me. But white farmers are being brutally killed
and the land is being confiscated in South Africa.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
For the dramatic scene in the Oval Office today, the
tense confrontation President Trump ambushing the President of South Africa.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Next another Oval office meltdown, President Trump ambushing the President
of South Africa.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
President Trump is being accused of conducting something of a
diplomatic ambush a South Africa's president in the Oval Office.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
To be with you, I'm katie, sir, President Trump orchestrated
another Oval office ambush.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Today is today Donald Trump meeting with the President of
South Africa and attempting to ambush and humiliate that leader.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
Zelenski Territory where essentially he.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Was got his one big beautiful bill that he wanted
two fifteen to to fourteen was the vote. This is
a big political win for Donald Trump and for Speaker
Mike Johnson. May I say as well, only two Republicans
voting against it, every Democrat voting against it, and House
(01:34):
Freedom Caucus Chair Andy Harris abstaining or I think he
voted not President or President. I guess by him not
voting two fifteen to to fourteen was enough of a
majority to get it over the finish line. This is
a big domestic policy accomplishment win for Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's not a perfect bill.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I've got lots of complaints, but if I'm a seing,
did he need this done?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Does this matter? Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
This is a big win for him, and he's had
a string of them. Wow, I didn't see this one coming.
Jake Tapper and his co author Alex Thompson of Axios
have been everywhere hawking their new book, Original Sin, but CNN,
which has been promoting it at every turn, they're getting
(02:25):
some blowback from their own side. I mean even John
John Tapper, John Stewart, John Stewart laying the hammer on
him back.
Speaker 8 (02:38):
With breaking news in our Politics Lead and a brand
new excerpt from my upcoming book with Axios is Alex Thompson.
It's called Original Sin. I'm not sure if you've heard
of it. It's on Biden's decline. It's called Original Sin.
I'm sure you've heard. On May twentyth, that's Tuesday, Original Sin.
That's coming out in three weeks. On May twentieth, that's
just nineteen days away from one week and one day
coming out.
Speaker 7 (02:57):
In just a few days, comes out Tuesday.
Speaker 8 (02:59):
You will not believe what we found out.
Speaker 9 (03:16):
Don't newspeople have to tell you what they know when
they find it out. Isn't that the difference between news
and the secret. You won't believe what we found out.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I know That's why I'm watching it.
Speaker 10 (03:38):
Breaking news in a week now.
Speaker 9 (03:44):
I don't know how the rest of the country is
feeling about this book coming out, but I know New
York is hyped. How do you pivot from excitedly promoting
your anchor's book to somberly and respectfully promote your anchor's book.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
Adam's health was very much in the news even before
the cancer diagnosis was announced on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That's because of a new book. By seeing in Jake Tapper.
Speaker 11 (04:08):
This was already going to be a tough week, and
this makes it much harder. And that is a reference
to the fact that our colleague Jake Tapper and Alex
Thompson have a book that's set to publish on Tuesday.
Speaker 12 (04:21):
This very tough news, this very challenging news, and at
the same time, the backdrop of our colleague Jake Tapper's
book with Alex Thompson coming out this week.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
It's so hard, it's such a.
Speaker 9 (04:39):
Difficult time, so unfathomable in terms of the pain this
family must be feeling.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
And yet if you act now.
Speaker 9 (04:49):
And you use the code backslash tap that book, you will. Obviously,
this twyf of is not a who actually framed this
(05:12):
difficult news as perhaps.
Speaker 10 (05:14):
Even more of a reason to buy this book.
Speaker 13 (05:16):
The timing, no, Former President Joe Biden's cancer diagnosis is
certainly dramatic, coming on the eve of a blockbuster new
book about his health and his time in the White House.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Go on.
Speaker 13 (05:29):
I'm sure some observers will say that the reporting in
the book is even more important now.
Speaker 9 (05:35):
Yet nobody's saying that. No observers will say it's more
important now. Some observers might think, did these CNN people
work on commission? Like why are they hawking this and things?
Is this a girl Scout cookie? Situation. Who lover sells
the most tap of books gets a shwin.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
We all remember MSNBC's Joe Scarborough making this absurd assertion
that Joe Biden was the best Joe Biden, best version
of Joe Biden ever.
Speaker 14 (06:07):
I've said it for years now.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
He's coagent, but I undersold him when.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I said he was cogent. She's far beyond cogent.
Speaker 14 (06:16):
In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been
intellectually analytically, because he's been around for fifty years.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And you know, I don't know if people know this
or not.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Biden used to be a hothead sometimes that irishman would
get in front of the reasoning. Sometimes you would say
things he didn't want to say. This is and I
don't really you know what, I don't really start your
tape right now because I'm about to tell you the
truth and f you if you can't handle the truth.
(06:52):
This version of Biden intellectually analytically.
Speaker 14 (06:59):
Is the best Biden ever, not a closed second. And
I've known him for years. The Presentskys have known him
for fifty years. If it weren't the truth, I wouldn't
say it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Jake Tapper was promoting his book on MSNBC's Morning Joe
when he did a solid for old Joe Scarborough.
Speaker 8 (07:18):
In your specific case, Joe, our reporting indicates that Joe Biden,
who as you know, is a frequent viewer of the show,
saw when David Ignatius wrote that column and I think
August twenty twenty three, saying that Joe Biden should not
run for reelection because of what he had been hearing,
and he came on this show and you guys had
(07:38):
a robust conversation about this. You largely agreed that you'd
been hearing things about this, but that there was really
no alternative that Kamala Harris was not up to the job.
That's what Democrats were telling you. Behind the scenes. Joe
Biden saw that. Joe Biden said to staffers that he
wanted to convince you that you were wrong, and he focused.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
On you like you were Auency, like.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
You were farmers in Iowa, like you were the Kawanis
Club in New Hampshire, and he made sure that you thought.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
He made sure that you thought differently. I think he
did this with a couple people. I think he did
it with me. Chum. He might have done it with
evan Osnos.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
He knew that there were people that had to be
convinced that he was fine, and he tried to prove that.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Listened to the Michael Barry Show podcast, and you'll be
the smartest guy in the room. Share with your friends
and you'll be the most popular too.
Speaker 15 (08:30):
I wonder, what is your message to Hespala and it's
backer Iran.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
Don't, don't, don't.
Speaker 15 (08:38):
Don't you don't come across the border, don't escalate this war, don't, don't.
Speaker 16 (08:49):
Don't, don't, don't, don't.
Speaker 17 (08:58):
Well be happy, don't be happy, don't be happy.
Speaker 16 (09:18):
Don't let me down, don't tread me, don't let me down.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Don't. At the risk of repeating myself because I've said it.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Several times, I read Jake Tapper's book, so you wouldn't
have to. We could ignore the book, and my friend
Buck Sexton has said, ignore the book, don't buy it. Okay,
we can ignore the book, but there are things in
there and people's names and what they did that we
(10:04):
have accused them of, and no one has confessed to it,
and a lot of people moderates, a lot of naive
neighbors don't know that it's true. The book does lay
out certain things as a confessional that were not documented before.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And part of the.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Fact is Jake Tapper has access to Democrats in a
way that there hasn't been a conservative who could get
them to say those sorts of things. What's the reasoning
behind Democrats telling Jake Tapper these things? Because they want
to improve the Democrat Party, because they feel left out,
(10:49):
because they feel stilted or just are jilted that they
weren't chosen to run for office, or they weren't chosen
for a cabinet to say, I don't care forget the
messenger for a second. There are some interesting things that
are revealed in the book, but first understandably, we've got
(11:13):
to get our pound of flesh. Jake Tapper has to grovel.
He's got to, and several people have made him grovel.
I think so far. Megan Kelly. Megan Kelly does the
best job. You know, he'd done NPR, Katie Couric and
(11:37):
all that sort of stuff. But he went on Megan
Kelly and she pulled no punches, and to his credit,
he took the blows. He groveled the way he needed to,
and that is an important ritual that was carried out
(11:57):
and here it.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Is leading up to the debate, which you anchored that
June twenty seventh debate twenty twenty four. There was a
ton of news leading into that debate in that month,
and we look back at your coverage and found that
you ignored it. Not only did you ignore the Jackie
wi Lurski moment when you had him thirteen days later,
but you ignored the freeze up that he had at
(12:20):
the juneteenth celebration. You ignored what happened at the G
seven when he wandered off and Georgia Maloney, Prime Minister
of Italy had to go find him. You ignored the
freeze up at the George Clooney LA fundraiser.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You didn't cover it.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
You only covered it after the.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Debate, after George Clooney wrote his op ed, Jake, nobody
made you do that. There was your network at every
turn was telling us those were quote cheap fakes, and
you were not combating that narrative. CNN was actively misleading
us on what our very eyes were showing us the truth.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's the record. I will.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Acknowledge that after I was named.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
Moderator cooderator of the debate, I tried to make sure
that my coverage was fairly vanilla, both about Trump and
about Biden, because I just wanted to get to the
debate and the Biden people and the Trump people. I'm
kind of frankly surprised that either one of them agreed
(13:32):
to have me as a moderator, because both sides disliked
me so much. But yeah, I remember that moment, and
I remember that moment, the glitch at the immigration event
and not getting much attention outside of conservative media at all.
And Alex and I are here to say that conservative
media was right, and conservative media was correct, and that
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there should be a lot of soul searching, not just
among me, but among the legacy media to begin with us,
all of us for how this was covered or not
covered sufficiently. So I mean, I'm not here to defend
coverage that I've already acknowledged.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
I wish I could do differently.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Jake Tapper told Megan Kelly that Biden's staffers lied because
of the existential threat that was Trump, and I will
tell you that reading this thing pretty carefully, the story
that Tapper and Alex Thompson tell is that the fear
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of Trump is so bad that it makes them crazy,
and that's what you're supposed to believe. But let me
remind you. The fear of Romney was that the fear
of Bush was that bad. The fear of Reagan, Dole, Bush, Nixon.
(15:08):
They were this crazy over Nixon too. It's not that
Trump is somehow this awful monster. It is not just
a fear of Trump. It is the desperate desire for power.
They have to have power, and without it they have
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no lifeblood. If they can lie about the mental and
physical condition of the President of the United States, then
you better believe they will lie about the reason that
they did it. They blame Trump because in their bubble,
(15:55):
they think it makes them look noble. They're fighting Hitler,
because once you convince yourself he's Hitler. This is how
studies on uh on dictators who get their people to
commit crimes. What happened in Liberia, what's happened in Somalia,
(16:19):
what happened in under Paul pot and Cambodia.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Is when you can convince.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Your people that the other people are the devil, you
can get them.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
To do unspeakable things.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
You're going to hear Jake Tapper Gravel in just a moment,
and it's good.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
American is a nation that can be defined in a
single word. I got him, not only authentic Frontier Gibbery expressed.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Their courage scene of the Data Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
As promised, when Jake Tapper had to grovel at least
of the interviews I've seen the worst with Megan Kelly
and we were talking about these Democrats, and I think
Jake Tapper sides with them on this is. The reason
they lied was because Trump is so awful and he's
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a dictator and he's hitler and everybody's going to die.
And I think Jake Tapper believes that as well. And
one of the threads that comes through this book is
that the goal was to beat Trump. We have to
beat Trump, and that these people did what they did
(17:39):
to beat Trump, and because they did what they did,
it cost them the election. So the anger is not
at them for lying, deceiving or destroying the democratic process
and handpicking Kamala, putting a guy in his president and
keeping him there who is brain dead. The answer is
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not for these people, you know what we did was wrong.
The answer is the strategy was wrong, and that cost
us the election. And now all hell has broken loose
because Trump is president again, and we're mad that Trump
is president, and so we blame you for doing what
you did because the public didn't respond well to what
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you did. So, in other words, it's not that you
did something immoral. It's not that you did something un American, unethical.
It's that you did something and got caught and it
was obvious, and now Trump is president. So it's not
that they're mad or indignant over the behaviors because they're wrong.
(18:50):
It's they're mad because the behaviors led to Trump winning.
It's an important thing to understand. Anyway, Here is here
is Jake Tapper being made to go Megan Kelly.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
One of the things that emerged was that there were
two bidens. One was the fine Biden, serviceable, adequate, and
the other one was a non functioning Biden.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
And that's the one we saw the night of.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
The debate, and that's the one we saw some clips
up here and there that you just showed. And that
non functioning Biden the one that lost his train of
thought in a significant way, not in the way just
that every human loses their train of thought, but in
a way that shows that he's having trouble articulating his
very views, and the one who forgot the name of
(19:37):
close aids, who was not able to come up with
George Clooney's name, didn't seem to recognize him. All that
sort of thing that non functioning Biden was, according to
our reporting, showed up as far back as twenty fifteen
after the death of Bow, where one top aid said
that that tragedy, the loss of bo was like watching
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somebody pour water on sand. That was the effect on
his psyche. And there were other moments in twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen. You hear some her report one of the
reasons he came to that conclusion was because of the
recordings they heard of Joe Biden in twenty seventeen talking
to his ghostwriter, in which he was similarly inclined. Obviously,
in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, there were other moments like that.
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Most of his campaign staff and others would say that
he's you know, look, he's seventy eight, he's seventy nine.
He has senior moments, but he's fine, he's fine, he's fine.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
Well, he wasn't.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Fine, And throughout his presidency that non functioning Biden would
show up more and more and more, and he was
worse and worse and worse, really.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Deteriorating tremendously.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
The next time there was a really horrible family incident,
which was when Hunter Biden's plea deal fell apart in
the summer of twenty twenty three, and then obviously in
June he was convicted. The thought the fear of losing
his son, not to jail, but maybe to another, to
a relapse, to an overdose, to a suicide, who knows,
was a very real fear, and the threat of losing
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a third child really just diminished tim tremendously, according to
top aides. So all of which is to say that
this was a deterioration, This was a progression. And look,
knowing what I know now, obviously I feel tremendous humility
about my coverage that Laura Trump interviewed, for example, etc.
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She saw something, she saw something that I did not
see at the time, one hundred percent, and I own that.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
So Jake Tapper's catching hell for pushing back against evidence
of Biden's decline from the right. He told NPR that
he wishes he had been more aggressive in his cover.
See He's rewriting. He's making his excuses, and as he develops,
he's coming up with new lines of defense for himself.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Look, I mean, we had all seen him aging, we
had all seen him tripping and misspeaking. We had all
seen evidence of decline. But the Biden team, family and
senior advisors were telling everybody, not just media, not just
the public, but also democratic donors and members of Congress,
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their own cabinet, He's fine, he's fine, he's fine, he's fine.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
You know, I think.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Everybody in that circle, in that world should be should
be thinking. I'm certainly thinking as a journalist, what should
I have done differently? You know, Alex and I cover this,
Alex very aggressively from the White House, beat me less so,
and I wish I.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
Had been more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
There are.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
There's a lot of regret, there's a lot of humility.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Jake Tapper sat down with Katie CURRK. That's a real
hard hitting interview. He talks about his dislike of Hunter Biden,
and he told her that Hunter was the de facto
chief of staff for.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
The Biden family.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
That ought to scare you, especially if you read the
book What a Mess Hunter was?
Speaker 10 (23:18):
How big a factor was the Hunter stuff.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
I think it was considerable.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
I think Hunter was driving the decision making for the
family in a way that people he was almost.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Like a chief of staff of the family.
Speaker 10 (23:30):
Does that strike you as pretty bizarre?
Speaker 8 (23:32):
It's bizarre because I think he is provably, demonstrably unethical, sleazy,
and prone to horrible decisions.
Speaker 10 (23:41):
Tell me how you feel, well, I mean.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
I just just look at the record.
Speaker 8 (23:46):
I mean, after his brother died, he cheated on his
wife with his brother's widow and then got her addicted
to crack.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
That's just one thing I could say.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
I mean there, I don't have a lot of personal
regard Trim and uh just based on having nothing to
do with I barely have ever met him.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
I've met him like once or twice.
Speaker 8 (24:07):
But I knew Bo Bo was a great, upstanding guy.
Speaker 10 (24:11):
I knew him too, really a real loss for.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
The country too, not just for his family, for the country.
But Hunter is not that and the idea of letting
him drive the family car, as it were, is just
really really questionable.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So then Tapper says he doesn't like Hunter Biden, but
and he was the de facto chief of staff or
the Biden family. But he says right wing allegations against
the family are too disgusting to repeat. Every one of
them is true, every last one of them.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
There's no evidence to support the allegation my father was
financially involved in my business because it did not happen.
There's no fairness or decency and what these Republicans are doing.
And I do have to say, whatever you think of
Hunter by and then there's certainly a lot of people
in this town, Democrats and Republicans, that do not think.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
A lot of him.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
There is a certain kind of like cruelty to the
campaign against him.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Where is Hunter? Where is Hunter? Where is Hunterkry?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
The right wing is going crazy with all sorts of
allegations about Biden and his family, too disgusting to even
repeat here. I mean, some of the ones I've seen
from the President's son and the president some of the
President's supporters are just wildly unhinged.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
I'm not sure what your question was with.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
The Michael Berris.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I lost the plot somewhere. You did you did? I
read Jake Jeffers Litually, you don't have.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Biden's aneurysm and near death experience in nineteen eighty eight. Interestingly,
of all the things that Biden lies about to puff
himself up in bluff as to his accomplishments. He doesn't
talk about the aneurysm, so the real medical issues he
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has he avoids. This is something that is very important.
His son did the same thing. So in twenty fifteen,
Bo dies. He'd been sick for two years. He was
the Attorney General of Delaware. He was coming to Houston.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
To go to M. D.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Anderson and he had some sort of a blastoma.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I don't remember exactly what it was.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Joe has talked about him himself being a gold Star dad.
You know that his son died in battle. Not true.
His son was sent to the Middle East as a
lawyer in the Jag Corps and he had been back
for five years at that point. So no, he wasn't
in battle, and he didn't die in uniform. As Joe
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has told some gold star families. The man is a
pathological liar.
Speaker 7 (27:07):
He really is.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
You could see that from the nineteen eighty eight election,
but his son denied. Health problems kept anyone from knowing that.
Now what's interesting is upon his son's death, Hunter, who
had had all these problems and was described as a
disappointment to his dad, Hunter, all of a sudden starts
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dating his now dead brother's widow.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
There is a lot of scuttle.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
But that.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
He was.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Knocking boots with Bo's widow before she was a widow
because Bo was still alive, and that's the kind of
person Hunter Biden is. Hunter Biden introduces her to cocaine
and meth, which she would end up having a problem with.
That's also a pattern. Hunter Biden introduces the women in
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his life to meth and they get hooked on it.
In twenty fifteen, when Bo dies, Hunter announces, Hey Dad,
I'm going to run for mayor of Wilmington.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Hunter.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
You're not allowed to run out of rehab. You've been
in rehab most of the time. They have a big
family interdiction with Hunter. He leaves the house and refuses
to participate. He dates Bo's widow, leaving Bo and his
widow's children in a real bad pickle. When drama unfolds there,
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Mom gets hooked on cocaine.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
He fathers another child.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Named Navy with the woman London, who was a stripper
in DC at the time.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
She in Little Rock.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
He refuses to admit it is his child, then he
marries a woman to this.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
By the way, to this day he still refuses it.
But the blood tests show that he did it. And
you know what, his.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Answer to the blood test is a Hillary Clinton answer.
His answer to the blood test is, that's just a
Republican conspiracy. They just did that to embarrass me. They
probably switched my blood in there. Believable, Hunter, very believable.
Then he meets a woman and three days later marries
her and she has a baby shortly thereafter.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So I don't know if they got pregnant. The first
who knows? Who knows?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
The younger sister has serious drug problems. That's Ashley. You
know about her problems. You know about the book and
all that. So there is this mythology that develops around
Joe Biden that he's very, very tough, that Joe Biden.
He writes a book and he says his dad always
told him to get up. Nobody keeps Joe Biden down.
(30:02):
He gets up.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Well.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You start to note there's a disagreement as to when
the mental decline begins in earnest. There are some who
trace it to twenty fifteen, about the time bo dies,
and they blame it on Bo's death. Whatever the reason,
if he's out of it, he's out of it. Not
for me to decide. But there increasingly, all the way
(30:31):
up to and before the twenty twenty election, there is
discussion about.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
His mental decline. More and more and more so.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
The idea that in twenty twenty he's fine and it's
not until recently that he declined.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
That is just not true.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
There are too many people who are close to him
who say that is just not true. His sister val
who had run every campaign of his since nineteen seven,
begged him not to run and writes a letter to
the family that he is in no condition to run,
he should not run, But of course Jill wins out.
(31:12):
Another thing you noticed from this is that Jill isn't
that involved politically until about the mid two thousands, and
by twenty twenty she's running everything and her aid, Yes,
Jill had an aid. Anthony Bernal becomes deputy communications director,
(31:35):
and many people claim that he was really running everything,
Jill's aid, not Joe Biden's aid, which is very odd.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Nobody's ever seen that.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
There's also a fun, little, fun little skirmish when Hunter
is with this woman, Kathleen, He treats her very very,
very badly, and she goes off and is estranged from
the Biden family. But while she was with Hunter, she
(32:10):
became very good friends with Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama is
loyal to Kathleen, the ex wife, and feels that.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
The Bidens treated her horribly.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
So Michelle despises the Bidens and will never come around them,
and it gets pretty nasty.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Apparently over the years.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Nicki Hayley will give her credit for this phrase, referred
to the White House as the most privileged nursing home
in America because it was a nursing home.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Joe Biden would have in his annual.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Physical they would do a test a neurological test now
that is to see if the nerves are operating correctly,
but they would not do which every other president had done,
a cognitive exam, and the reason is his cognitive levels
were in deep, steep decline. Jake Tapper makes the point,
(33:13):
and I don't think this is just a what about
ism that this has been going on elderly people in
our government. This had been going on around twenty twenty already,
and he's absolutely right about this. Kay Granger from Texas,
she was in an assistant living center in Texas and
nobody knew. There are reports even her staff didn't know
(33:38):
where she was. That should be criminal. She was still
holding the seat as a congressman. Mitch McConnell, freezing up, glitching.
What was going on? You had the speaker, You had
the Senate majority leader who can't do a press conference.
He was as bad as Biden. We have to acknowledge
(34:01):
that strom Thurman. Strom Thurmann died as a US Senator
at one hundred years old. Dianne Feinstein
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