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Good morning. On today's program, we will talk about Doug
Flutie specifically, why was he Why was he so good
coming off the bench to win games but flubbed every
start as a starting quarterback? What was the issue? Was
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also true of Gary Hogeban. Let's talk about buddy of mine,
and people forget that I didn't grow up in Houston,
because I talk so much about Houston and Houston's history,
and all of it has been told to me or
I've read it. I didn't live it. I don't have
a lived experience, as they say, Ramon, I don't have
that lived experience. So a buddy of mine was talking
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about that he and his brother invented the first remote
control TV. They had a Curtis Mathis, And remember the
old tubes and the TV Ventible TV was our TV
repair company in Orange. I got to bring this back
to Orange. But my buddy, he said he and his
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brother during the summer invented the first remote control. And
what happened was the TV would start to jump. Tube
would would jump, and then it would cut off. And
so they rigged up a cane pole to somehow to
the knob or something. I lost interest in the story
because we went too long. But they rigged up a
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cane pole to the between the knob and the floor
at an angle, and they put a and had a
fishing string on it, and apparently you could pull on
it and it would if you caught the TV before
it started the jumping, it wouldn't cut off on you.
And he said his mother was very impressed with their ingenuity. Now,
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my buddy is now a nuclear scientist who prior to that,
spent thirty five years at NASA. I'm this kid, he's
a cop. But wouldn't it have been cool if if
that was the first sign that man he's got some
real technical technical skill. I mean, that kid right there's
got snapped. No, no, not at all. He's a cop,
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a good one, but he's a cop. But he was
telling me he was very proud of his of his
you know, invention as he called it. And I didn't
have the heart to tell him, you know, well, better
not say. But anyway, I didn't have the heart to
say that. I just played along like, wow, yeah, yeah,
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I'm not going to tell you who it is, Okay,
I'll tell you him. Yes, his brother's name is Charlie Hunt. Anyway,
so he was telling me they had a Curtis Mathis,
the Curtis Mathis, and then he broke into the song
and he he bought they bought their Curtis Mathis from
Hank Williams. And I thought, okay, there's a joke here. No,
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apparently there was a TV dealer in town on STOLLAINK
named Hank Williams. Did you know this? And he went
into the song and started singing, Hank Williams has Zenith
and Curtis Mathis and something something something. So I'm gonna
see if I can find that commercial, which I mean,
can you see if you can find that commercial? But
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apparently there was a commercial for Hank Williams TV's and
he had Zenith and Curtis Mathis. Curtis Mathis was the
high end. You know, Curse Mathis was made in Texas.
I think the company was headquartered in Dallas. Did you
know that? Now that was a TV. I'm telling you.
If you went to somebody's house and they didn't have
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a Curtis Mathis, they were Section eight, like they were
down and out. You know, I had friends. We were
very We might not have had any money, but we
were very stable. Whatever we had we had. But I
had friends that, you know, their parents get divorced and
their mom didn't work. She'd move between one dude and
the other and they'd be in you know, some apartment.
You walk into the apartment, they'd just be a mattress
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on the floor. Man, that's that'll hit you. We didn't
have a lot, but we our house was set. You know,
we had an end table next to the bed, proper
like what you're not finding Hank Williams TV. My Hank
Williams Electronics. I bet it'll be Hank Williams Electronics. Uh
see if you somebody, if you can find that for
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that commercial and email it to me. But he was
very proud. My friend who shall remain unnamed. He lived
in the fifty one hundred block of nine e Legue,
which is northwest Houston over like thirty fourth and forty
third in that area, uh at two ninety and he
said that on one block lived Hank Williams, Spec Jackson,
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who was Specs Liquors, and somebody else. I can't remember
who the third one, but it was a name you
would like, cal Worthington. It wasn't Colworthy. It was somebody
else that you would know. Who was it? Robert Brazil. No,
it wasn't Roberzill. Uh who was it? Uh? Curly Culp, No,
it wasn't Curly Culp. Who was the third one? Spec Jackson?
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Hank Williams? Who was the third one? Who was the
third Can you give me some music while I think,
because if I'm trying to talk, I can't think. Propert,
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I can't remember, But somehow that conversation turned into oh,
I knew it was the owner of Princess Hamburg Zodale Prince.
Does that sound right? The owner of Princess Hamburg's at
the time. I believe that was Zodale Prince. You know,
Princess Hamburg is a funny thing. The guy that owned
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Princess Hamburger's. I think he was an RCC member. I
got to know him somehow, I don't remember, and I
think he was the son in law of the old
man that had started it, and he had a couple
of Princes. He had the one on fifty nine there
and they lost the lease and then he tried to
relocate it and they couldn't, but he started one. But
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that brand still, it's one of those brands that is
so it's like Marvin Zendler, you know, it just puts
a smile on people's face. We oh Princess, and I
grew up on Princess Hamburger's. Was it Princess Hamberg's that
I saw that picture of the guy pulled up and
they had like a tube that came from inside and
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it went to the guy's window and you you'd pull
up and it would shoot air conditioning into your car.
Man that think about how brilliant that was. And there's
a car hop, she's waiting there to get his order,
and he's got that AC blowing in there, and you
got a thing. He might not even had a AC anyway.
Sodell Prince that was the fifty one block of nine
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one in Oak for Michael Barry show. Than William spec Jackson.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Prince, I think that was the name.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
He showed next she thought it she's got it so
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and he had a ten foot and he showed it
to the next.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
She thought it was a snake, so she had it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Now it's only three things and he had a ten
food and he showed it to the lady.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Next she thought it was a snake, so she.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Now, it's only.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That that's the way.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Had a time photo at the short as.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
She thought it was a sad so she had read.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Now it's on a street.
Speaker 8 (09:49):
That had a tack pot at the shortstop, she thought
it was a snap.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Sh dal.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Thing about it is still impressive. So Dan Pastorini's birthday
was Tuesday. He turned eighty seven and he hates that song.
So I sent it to him on his birthday and
he said, would you please let me die in peace? Literal?
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People won't won't get that you were best funny right there.
So quite a few emails coming in. Hank Williams, the
Curtis Mathis TV dealer. His commercials came on during Houston
Wrestling with Paul Bosh on Channel thirty nine and several
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people talking about that they watched that with their dad,
and one saying, we had one of those TVs with
the console, the eight track, the radio and the record player.
They'd play a song. Hank Williams. Hank Williams. That's all
I remember. That was back in the seventies. Other people
remembered Hank Williams. Hank Williams. We got Zenith and Curtis
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Mathis the finest TVs in Houston. He sponsored Houston Rastling
and my brother and I were friends with his sons,
Scottie and Roddy Williams from Scarborough High School. In the
fifty one hundred block of Nana Lee in Oak Forest
lived Hank Williams, Spec Jackson and Zodell Prince of Princess Hamburger's,
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which a number of people, Oh, here we go, let's see,
we may have the song. Let's see if I can well, Okay,
I can't find it, but I will so. Hank Williams Junior,
the singer unrelated to the Curtis Mathis dealer in Houston.
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Hank Williams Junior the Singer and Dan Pastorini, both born
on the same day May twenty six, and I don't
know that I ever knew I ever realized that before
this year. Yeah, not interesting in that something else for
mom in that something else. Let me see if I'm
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trying to I got a bunch of emails. I wonder
if any of the old ladies that listened to your
show remember the any Oakley TV show of the f fifties.
It would be cool if you could find someone that
used to watch it. I was talking to a friend
of mine yesterday and we were talking about drunk Mark
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and he got busy, he was going to drive by
and just lay eyes on drunk Mark, And anyway, we
got talking about he's got kids a little younger than
my kids, and we were talking about, you know, when
you're sixteen years old, if you've given any thought to
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your future at all, And some kids haven't, They're just
living in the moment. We were giving any thought to
your future at all? You don't say, Well, I'd like
to take a circuitous but certain route to my destination,
which is to be forty nine years old, living in
a tent underneath the shade tree at twenty nine to
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twenty and Roberts waiting on a lot. Uh, Plasitas to
open at four o'clock to see if I can get
a job as a busboy, which, if you think about it,
living in a van down by the river sounds palatial
compared to this state of affairs, right, And we were
talking about how you end up living in a tent
under a shade tree next to Roberts Street off twenty
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nine twenty across the lot of plastas at forty nine,
waiting for July first hearing on the warrants that you
skipped town on and that nobody made a decision to
end up there. But we were talking about the steps
along that journey that kind of take you off course.
The fellow had a CDL for what he said, eighteen
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nineteen years so, and he said he was making seventy
five thousand dollars. Do you remember ramon The reason why
he what happened there is that him? Oh, Hank William's daughter.
Oh that's nice. What's her name?
Speaker 8 (15:05):
Pat?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Hello? Pat? How are you welcome to Michael Berry show?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Oh? Thank you? Yeah. No, Hank Williams was my brother.
He's dead now, but he owned the Curtiss Mathis. My
whole family was in that business.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Pat, Those pasts that he's dead sound so hard.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yes, oh I'm sorry, but yeah he did. He died
of lung cancer.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Did y'all live in a fifty one hundred block.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Of uh nan A Lee, Yes, that was his home.
Did he absolutely?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Well? Oh if he's your brother, Oh, I say, y'all
didn't grow up yet?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Okay, yeah, yeah, well yeah, that's well. I'm seventy five now,
and uh he was older than me and he died, yeah,
when he was fifty five. But he had on his
television show. I don't know if you remember that he
started that. Mickey Gilly performed there and I don't even
think my brother paid him anything, so he was nicky. Yes,
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Micky Gilly did well. My my brother had like a
TV show and I don't think it was a big deal.
But it was you know, artists that he found like
at nightclubs and stuff. And McKey Gilly performed there.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Sounds like a hell of marks.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Oh yeah, he was. He was something else. But and
he he had lived in uh Houston for several years
and he had actually his.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
One of his daughters.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Still don't like them, We'll reprint them or refund your money,
no matter who's fault.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It is shown photo mat your photo matters.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But vine but but but vine but Hay Williams.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
TVs TV's and.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Curtis may see you put him on your floor, Pink
Williams CVS. Our TV's are swift, get your rest to
hate with your CVS oral.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
Hate Williams CVS Haywells, CVS hay Weas Television says.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
That you.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Had not the song. Hand claim made that, Oh Pat,
I'm just doing some math. I was mathing while we
were talking. And if this was late seventies, was going on,
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let's take it as late as possible. In nineteen eighty
forty five years ago. Do you know what year he died?
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Let's see, not really with looking he was in Colorado
and he had moved. He had moved there. I have
another brother, Bill Williams, that lived there and they he
was working there, but he did not have another television station.
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My brother Bill Williams had a Memorial City for about
ten years. He was in that mall, but it was Magnavox.
It wasn't Curtis Mathis. And actually a funny story about
my parents ran the Stella Link store and George Foreman
came in one day and bought five TVs. And my
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mother said when he shook her hand, his hand was
just so soft. Maybe boxers just do that, keep their
hands for a soft or something. But yeah, that was
a good location and lots of people coming in.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
It was still a link. How close was it to six'?
Ten was it in that center right? Before you, know
right abudding six?
Speaker 5 (19:16):
TEN i was thinking it was like At wesleyan And,
Stellarlink but, No wesleyan Is.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Sellink those are the. Same that's the same. Street oh, Okay,
yeah so wesley Becomes Stellar link at at where At
holcombe or Bel air whichever those that cross. Street right
there is kind of Where holcombe becomes Bel air on
the east west if you're, westbound and then if you're
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southbound On. Wesleyan right There wesleyan as it curves coming
through the end Of West u and there's a firehouse
subs right there used to be an excellent and on that,
Corner so now you're a caddy corner from where who
was the Jeweler? MARKS i W mark's was caddy corner to,
that and that's where it becomes still a. End, yeah
do you remember if they were next if they were
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in the same center With Alfred's, delicatessen because that was
down at the.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
End, no uh uh that it wasn't. There, ACTUALLY i
was thinking it was closer To bearings right. There he
was in a nice section BECAUSE i remember driving by
it one day and, thinking oh my, gosh this day in.
Age he couldn't afforded st even for anything to be.
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There that he that he owned so interesting real.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Estate so what did your dad? Do how did how
did the brothers get into?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
That, well my we're From. Corpus, uh that was where
we were all. Raised And henry went to he graduated
From Miller High school and, uh then he went to
he went in The, navy and then he went TO.
Smu he never completed, it but he was, real real.
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Smart and then he married somebody From, Marilla. Mexico he
had four children with, her and they lived On Nina.
Lee in, fact she she stayed On Nina lee even
after they, divorced and two of his children are still.
ALIVE i, mean they might be able to tell you
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more interesting. Facts BUT i remember THAT i lived in
an apartment complex and my brother had come to visit,
me and he was out there and and Some it
was basically young people and they saw him and, said
oh my, Gosh Hank. Williams. So and my dad was
a car salesman In. Corpus and then my Brother bill
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got a football scholarship TO U T arlington and he
Started Curtis mathis there and did very very. Well not With,
henry but WELL i called Him, henry Not. Hank and
and and then you, know then he changed To magnavox
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and owned A magnavox Location Immemorial City mall for about ten.
Years and he had four boys and they Had he
lived In waller and was my other Brother. Bill So
henry had moved to let's, see he moved To New
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mexico for a, while but never went back into THE tv.
Business and then he's got two children that are. Living
two of his sons have.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Died but so somebody had told me one of his
SIZE i think it Was scotty became a. Televangelist is that? True?
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Scotty you know he moved To. MEXICO i know That
scotty was a very Devout christian and he may have
because he his mother moved back To, Morella, mexico And
scotty followed her and stayed that and Then roddy was.
Here And scotty was, very very overweight his whole. Life
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and my brother took him to a psychiatrist to figure
out why he ate so. Much BUT i think he
stayed pretty much. Overweight he was real, funny he had
a wonderful. Personality but he might very well have been In.
MEXICO i just don't.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Know, PAT i could listen to you tell stories because
everything is so matter of. Fact did they figure out
why he ate so?
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Much? No BUT i was at The Houston zoo with
my brother And christina and his wife and all the,
kids AND i Saw scotty go. In somebody dropped like
a hamburger half, eaten and he must have been eight or.
Nine then he went over to the garbage can and
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tried to get the hamburger. Out and then one time
he asked my brother for a Cook he and my brother, said, No,
scottie you you can't eat that. Cookie you know what
the doctor, Said and he said to his To, hank he,
said CAN i just smell the? Cookie and SO i,
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know isn't that? Sad? Yeah he was, Tremendously yes he,
was but he was. Hilarious all Of henry's kids were fun.
Now one of, Them, joseph is a very well known.
Hairdresser in, fact he would go to the RADIO tv
station for many years and do the hair for all
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the you, know the people that were doing the morning.
Shows and HE i think he has he works at
On Washington avenue in a, place and he's, married has
a very Wonderful christian. Wife we're all Huge trump, supporters
SO i don't, know But i'm sure you, yes he's.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Straight SO i was talking with who WAS i talking
to yesterday about uh, Oh emily my sister about straight
fellas that get into businesses that are dominated by gay,
men like floral designers or hair hairdressers or interior, designers
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and how difficult that must be for, them right because
everybody hold on to Save Pat.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
Yeah a little, Son michael Berrys George.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
SLEEP i can't you're. Excited Rick derringer died this. Week
rickdringer has more tunes that you would know than some
people might. Expect chad reminded me that he did the
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intro For. Demolition might have a tour of the fours
Of Rick darringer. TUNES i used to listen to The
Josh Inness show on my drive in in the mornings
and our creative, Director Jim mudd was The Ramona robles
of The Josh Innes show and they played that. Song
was that their intro? Song they played the hell out of.
IT i know that they also played to give The
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man His money On Friday. Mornings that. Aod that was
a good bit right. There it's a good. Bit and
that was the moment THAT i KNEW i was Hiring
Jim mudd to replace from. Home that was the. Moment,
yep right there on that, spot that was. It speaking of, Wrestling,
pat a number of people have emailed in that your,
Brother Hank williams had owned The Curtis Mathis dealer. Dealership
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the wrestling sponsorship seems to have been a big deal
With Paul bosch and folks remembering him that.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Way oh, YEAH i. Know he was pretty well, known
AND i think it was an advantage to Be Hank
williams junior in.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Life was he really a? Junior, yes My.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Henry Isler williams and my dad Was Henry Isler williams.
Senior AND i used that on some of my. Passwords
Henry isler because it's so. Weird you you, know you
never get, oh we already have that one or.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Something where did come? From?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yeah you, KNOW i don't know. That my father's dad
was killed in The everglades during a hurricane and he
he had twelve eleven brothers and sisters and so excuse,
me he JUST i really don't know WHERE i mean
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because she had so many kids having to do different
names or. Something but it is.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Unusual isler did he give you a FREE?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Tv he probably, did you, Know Curtis mathis In. ARLINGTON
i think it Was arlington now. Started what they did
is they give you A tv for a week for,
free and then they get you hooked and then you'd buy.
It it was really a pretty good concept way back.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
When, Man i've seen SOME i was about to start
talking ABOUT tv theft out of target when there's, Right
but that's a different story for a different. Day. Pat,
yeah and what did you.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Different group of? People you, KNOW i lived in The
woodlands for thirty years And i'm still a real estate.
AGENT i worked For remax and now my, Son George,
snyder Owned Southern Star properties and and he's my.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Broker he's your son and your. Broker, yeah you're not remaxing.
Anymore You're Southern Star. Properties, No I'm Southern Star.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Properties. Yeah AND i in, FACT i just had a
listing And creekside in The woodlands that just. Sold so
even Though i'm seventy, Five i'm still working every.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Day you know WHAT i love about, You, pat what
you just say what you think without any judgment of
whether it's good or, bad or somebody would like it
or they. DON'T i, mean If scotty was, fat he was,
fat and it's nothing wrong with. That he's a good,
kid but he's he's he was real. Fat and you
Know george he chewed his nails down to the bone
And bob he you, know remember he was had a
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thing for little. Girls and Then, sam of course he
went to prison a couple of. TIMES i love. That
my grandmother was that. Way she would just it would
just come out and it was no judgment one way or.
Another it's just that was what it. Was you. Know
tom of course he cheats on His i've.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Got a, Yeah i've got a granddaughter At Sam houston And.
Huntsville and one day she got real mad at me and,
said you're just judge, yeah that's the new.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Word we need more. Judge it's Like Shirley klucker, SAID
i bring back, shame preach on. Shame we need people
to be. Ashamed then they wouldn't go out in public
looking like fools like they do and acting like. Fools Pat,
hey you said something Around you said SOMETHING i wanted
to go back, to And i'm trying to remember what it.
Was told about His oh the straight, hairdresser which is just.
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Rare his Name.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Joseph, Williams Joseph, williams and he's really good looking and
had very Devout. Christians his. Wife they got two, children
one one daughter is At Texas. Tech and then uh,
yeah AND i in The. WOODLANDS i mean everybody knew.
Him he was From lebanon and his, Son kevin is
now my, hairdresser and he is both were. Straight in,
(30:50):
Fact kevin has two, children two little, girls and uh
and he works In Marriott. Waterway that's where he. Works
he owned a shop with his, dad and both of
them were as normal as apple. Pie not. Gay so oh, no.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Where they're, Fad, no they.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Were both of them are. Cute Now aman. Died you,
KNOW i know that sounds, sad but it's just what
happens when people get. Older, Really, Okay so But kevin's
ony in his. Forties, okay well.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
There had to be quite an age gap between you
And hank if he died at fifty, five and that Was.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
YEAH i have a sister that's. Ninety we just celebrated
her birthday and she was fourteen years older than. Me
and THEN i think my Brother henry was four years
younger than. Her THOSE i guess he. Was, yes, see
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if he was, alive he'd be eighty.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Five, okay so he was pretty young when all that
was going.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
On, YEAH i just remember what people told. Me BUT
i was in my twenties when he owned THE.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Tv, place and you've been in real estate all that.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Time, NO i.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
LIVED i got married and my husband was international sales
manager FOR Amf, tuboscope and we lived. Overseas in, fact my,
Son George, snyder was born In london in The Welwick
house Where Lisa taylor used to go just to relax
(32:35):
for a.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Month that's also, Interesting, pat you have made my. Day
i'm so glad you. Called oh you're so. SWEET i
bet there's so many people out there that Know Pat
snyder that are. Going That's Pat snyder On The Michael Berry. Show.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Yeah Well i've been in real estate for a long. Time,
yep they know.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Me, yeah you'll you'll probably pick up three new listings
out of.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
This oh, Yay, pat thanks for, calling.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Sweetheart you're.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Wonderful, okay all righty, Bye.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Ramon you just never know who's out there. Listening you
just never. KNOW i love. THAT i love when something comes.
Up you, know the highlight of Drunk March day yesterday
was the ups guy honking at him as he drove.
By
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good mornays.
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Speaker 4 (00:40):
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We're happy to talk about everything I say.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Good morning. We're not wearing that.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Good morning, Jesson, Good morning, weekend, I speak God damn.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Good morning. On today's program, we will talk about Doug
Flutie specifically, why was he Why was he so good
coming off the bench to win games but flubbed every
start as a starting quarterback? What was the issue? Was
(01:40):
also true of Gary Hogeban. Let's talk about buddy of mine,
and people forget that I didn't grow up in Houston,
because I talk so much about Houston and Houston's history,
and all of it has been told to me or
I've read it. I didn't live it. I don't have
a lived experience, as they say, Ramon, I don't have
that lived experience. So a buddy of mine was talking
(02:03):
about that he and his brother invented the first remote
control TV. They had a Curtis Mathis, And remember the
old tubes and the TV Ventible TV was our TV
repair company in Orange. I got to bring this back
to Orange. But my buddy, he said he and his
(02:24):
brother during the summer invented the first remote control. And
what happened was the TV would start to jump. Tube
would would jump, and then it would cut off. And
so they rigged up a cane pole to somehow to
the knob or something. I lost interest in the story
because we went too long. But they rigged up a
(02:47):
cane pole to the between the knob and the floor
at an angle, and they put a and had a
fishing string on it, and apparently you could pull on
it and it would if you caught the TV before
it started the jumping, it wouldn't cut off on you.
And he said his mother was very impressed with their ingenuity. Now,
(03:09):
my buddy is now a nuclear scientist who prior to that,
spent thirty five years at NASA. I'm this kid, he's
a cop. But wouldn't it have been cool if if
that was the first sign that man he's got some
real technical technical skill. I mean, that kid right there's
got snapped. No, no, not at all. He's a cop,
(03:31):
a good one, but he's a cop. But he was
telling me he was very proud of his of his
you know, invention as he called it. And I didn't
have the heart to tell him, you know, well, better
not say. But anyway, I didn't have the heart to
say that. I just played along like, wow, yeah, yeah,
(03:56):
I'm not going to tell you who it is, Okay,
I'll tell you him. Yes, his brother's name is Charlie Hunt. Anyway,
so he was telling me they had a Curtis Mathis,
the Curtis Mathis, and then he broke into the song
and he he bought they bought their Curtis Mathis from
Hank Williams. And I thought, okay, there's a joke here. No,
(04:18):
apparently there was a TV dealer in town on STOLLAINK
named Hank Williams. Did you know this? And he went
into the song and started singing, Hank Williams has Zenith
and Curtis Mathis and something something something. So I'm gonna
see if I can find that commercial, which I mean,
can you see if you can find that commercial? But
(04:39):
apparently there was a commercial for Hank Williams TV's and
he had Zenith and Curtis Mathis. Curtis Mathis was the
high end. You know, Curse Mathis was made in Texas.
I think the company was headquartered in Dallas. Did you
know that? Now that was a TV. I'm telling you.
If you went to somebody's house and they didn't have
(05:02):
a Curtis Mathis, they were Section eight, like they were
down and out. You know, I had friends. We were
very We might not have had any money, but we
were very stable. Whatever we had we had. But I
had friends that, you know, their parents get divorced and
their mom didn't work. She'd move between one dude and
the other and they'd be in you know, some apartment.
You walk into the apartment, they'd just be a mattress
(05:23):
on the floor. Man, that's that'll hit you. We didn't
have a lot, but we our house was set. You know,
we had an end table next to the bed, proper
like what you're not finding Hank Williams TV. My Hank
Williams Electronics. I bet it'll be Hank Williams Electronics. Uh
see if you somebody, if you can find that for
(05:45):
that commercial and email it to me. But he was
very proud. My friend who shall remain unnamed. He lived
in the fifty one hundred block of nine e Legue,
which is northwest Houston over like thirty fourth and forty
third in that area, uh at two ninety and he
said that on one block lived Hank Williams, Spec Jackson,
(06:08):
who was Specs Liquors, and somebody else. I can't remember
who the third one, but it was a name you
would like, cal Worthington. It wasn't Colworthy. It was somebody
else that you would know. Who was it? Robert Brazil. No,
it wasn't Roberzill. Uh who was it? Uh? Curly Culp, No,
it wasn't Curly Culp. Who was the third one? Spec Jackson?
(06:36):
Hank Williams? Who was the third one? Who was the
third Can you give me some music while I think,
because if I'm trying to talk, I can't think. Propert,
(06:58):
I can't remember, But somehow that conversation turned into oh,
I knew it was the owner of Princess Hamburg Zodale Prince.
Does that sound right? The owner of Princess Hamburg's at
the time. I believe that was Zodale Prince. You know,
Princess Hamburg is a funny thing. The guy that owned
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Princess Hamburger's. I think he was an RCC member. I
got to know him somehow, I don't remember, and I
think he was the son in law of the old
man that had started it, and he had a couple
of Princes. He had the one on fifty nine there
and they lost the lease and then he tried to
relocate it and they couldn't, but he started one. But
(07:39):
that brand still, it's one of those brands that is
so it's like Marvin Zendler, you know, it just puts
a smile on people's face. We oh Princess, and I
grew up on Princess Hamburger's. Was it Princess Hamberg's that
I saw that picture of the guy pulled up and
they had like a tube that came from inside and
(07:59):
it went to the guy's window and you you'd pull
up and it would shoot air conditioning into your car.
Man that think about how brilliant that was. And there's
a car hop, she's waiting there to get his order,
and he's got that AC blowing in there, and you
got a thing. He might not even had a AC anyway.
Sodell Prince that was the fifty one block of nine
(08:20):
one in Oak for Michael Barry show. Than William spec Jackson.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Prince, I think that was the name.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
He showed next she thought it she's got it so
(09:03):
and he had a ten foot and he showed it
to the next.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
She thought it was a snake, so she had it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Now it's only three things and he had a ten
food and he showed it to the lady.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Next she thought it was a snake, so she.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Now, it's only.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
That that's the way.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Had a time photo at the short as.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
She thought it was a sad so she had read.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Now it's on a street.
Speaker 8 (09:49):
That had a tack pot at the shortstop, she thought
it was a snap.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Sh dal.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Thing about it is still impressive. So Dan Pastorini's birthday
was Tuesday. He turned eighty seven and he hates that song.
So I sent it to him on his birthday and
he said, would you please let me die in peace? Literal?
(11:02):
People won't won't get that you were best funny right there.
So quite a few emails coming in. Hank Williams, the
Curtis Mathis TV dealer. His commercials came on during Houston
Wrestling with Paul Bosh on Channel thirty nine and several
(11:25):
people talking about that they watched that with their dad,
and one saying, we had one of those TVs with
the console, the eight track, the radio and the record player.
They'd play a song. Hank Williams. Hank Williams. That's all
I remember. That was back in the seventies. Other people
remembered Hank Williams. Hank Williams. We got Zenith and Curtis
(11:48):
Mathis the finest TVs in Houston. He sponsored Houston Rastling
and my brother and I were friends with his sons,
Scottie and Roddy Williams from Scarborough High School. In the
fifty one hundred block of Nana Lee in Oak Forest
lived Hank Williams, Spec Jackson and Zodell Prince of Princess Hamburger's,
(12:09):
which a number of people, Oh, here we go, let's see,
we may have the song. Let's see if I can well, Okay,
I can't find it, but I will so. Hank Williams Junior,
the singer unrelated to the Curtis Mathis dealer in Houston.
(12:30):
Hank Williams Junior the Singer and Dan Pastorini, both born
on the same day May twenty six, and I don't
know that I ever knew I ever realized that before
this year. Yeah, not interesting in that something else for
mom in that something else. Let me see if I'm
(12:51):
trying to I got a bunch of emails. I wonder
if any of the old ladies that listened to your
show remember the any Oakley TV show of the f fifties.
It would be cool if you could find someone that
used to watch it. I was talking to a friend
of mine yesterday and we were talking about drunk Mark
(13:12):
and he got busy, he was going to drive by
and just lay eyes on drunk Mark, And anyway, we
got talking about he's got kids a little younger than
my kids, and we were talking about, you know, when
you're sixteen years old, if you've given any thought to
(13:35):
your future at all, And some kids haven't, They're just
living in the moment. We were giving any thought to
your future at all? You don't say, Well, I'd like
to take a circuitous but certain route to my destination,
which is to be forty nine years old, living in
a tent underneath the shade tree at twenty nine to
(13:57):
twenty and Roberts waiting on a lot. Uh, Plasitas to
open at four o'clock to see if I can get
a job as a busboy, which, if you think about it,
living in a van down by the river sounds palatial
compared to this state of affairs, right, And we were
talking about how you end up living in a tent
under a shade tree next to Roberts Street off twenty
(14:23):
nine twenty across the lot of plastas at forty nine,
waiting for July first hearing on the warrants that you
skipped town on and that nobody made a decision to
end up there. But we were talking about the steps
along that journey that kind of take you off course.
The fellow had a CDL for what he said, eighteen
(14:45):
nineteen years so, and he said he was making seventy
five thousand dollars. Do you remember ramon The reason why
he what happened there is that him? Oh, Hank William's daughter.
Oh that's nice. What's her name?
Speaker 8 (15:05):
Pat?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Hello? Pat? How are you welcome to Michael Berry show?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Oh? Thank you? Yeah. No, Hank Williams was my brother.
He's dead now, but he owned the Curtiss Mathis. My
whole family was in that business.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Pat, Those pasts that he's dead sound so hard.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yes, oh I'm sorry, but yeah he did. He died
of lung cancer.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Did y'all live in a fifty one hundred block.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Of uh nan A Lee, Yes, that was his home.
Did he absolutely?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Well? Oh if he's your brother, Oh, I say, y'all
didn't grow up yet?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Okay, yeah, yeah, well yeah, that's well. I'm seventy five now,
and uh he was older than me and he died, yeah,
when he was fifty five. But he had on his
television show. I don't know if you remember that he
started that. Mickey Gilly performed there and I don't even
think my brother paid him anything, so he was nicky. Yes,
(16:04):
Micky Gilly did well. My my brother had like a
TV show and I don't think it was a big deal.
But it was you know, artists that he found like
at nightclubs and stuff. And McKey Gilly performed there.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Sounds like a hell of marks.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Oh yeah, he was. He was something else. But and
he he had lived in uh Houston for several years
and he had actually his.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
One of his daughters.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Still don't like them, We'll reprint them or refund your money,
no matter who's fault.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It is shown photo mat your photo matters.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But vine but but but vine but Hay Williams.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
TVs TV's and.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Curtis may see you put him on your floor, Pink
Williams CVS. Our TV's are swift, get your rest to
hate with your CVS oral.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
Hate Williams CVS Haywells, CVS hay Weas Television says.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
That you.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Had not the song. Hand claim made that, Oh Pat,
I'm just doing some math. I was mathing while we
were talking. And if this was late seventies, was going on,
(18:00):
let's take it as late as possible. In nineteen eighty
forty five years ago. Do you know what year he died?
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Let's see, not really with looking he was in Colorado
and he had moved. He had moved there. I have
another brother, Bill Williams, that lived there and they he
was working there, but he did not have another television station.
(18:31):
My brother Bill Williams had a Memorial City for about
ten years. He was in that mall, but it was Magnavox.
It wasn't Curtis Mathis. And actually a funny story about
my parents ran the Stella Link store and George Foreman
came in one day and bought five TVs. And my
(18:53):
mother said when he shook her hand, his hand was
just so soft. Maybe boxers just do that, keep their
hands for a soft or something. But yeah, that was
a good location and lots of people coming in.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
It was still a link. How close was it to six'?
Ten was it in that center right? Before you, know
right abudding six?
Speaker 5 (19:16):
TEN i was thinking it was like At wesleyan And,
Stellarlink but, No wesleyan Is.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Sellink those are the. Same that's the same. Street oh, Okay,
yeah so wesley Becomes Stellar link at at where At
holcombe or Bel air whichever those that cross. Street right
there is kind of Where holcombe becomes Bel air on
the east west if you're, westbound and then if you're
(19:44):
southbound On. Wesleyan right There wesleyan as it curves coming
through the end Of West u and there's a firehouse
subs right there used to be an excellent and on that,
Corner so now you're a caddy corner from where who
was the Jeweler? MARKS i W mark's was caddy corner to,
that and that's where it becomes still a. End, yeah
do you remember if they were next if they were
(20:05):
in the same center With Alfred's, delicatessen because that was
down at the.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
End, no uh uh that it wasn't. There, ACTUALLY i
was thinking it was closer To bearings right. There he
was in a nice section BECAUSE i remember driving by
it one day and, thinking oh my, gosh this day in.
Age he couldn't afforded st even for anything to be.
(20:29):
There that he that he owned so interesting real.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Estate so what did your dad? Do how did how
did the brothers get into?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
That, well my we're From. Corpus, uh that was where
we were all. Raised And henry went to he graduated
From Miller High school and, uh then he went to
he went in The, navy and then he went TO.
Smu he never completed, it but he was, real real.
(20:57):
Smart and then he married somebody From, Marilla. Mexico he
had four children with, her and they lived On Nina.
Lee in, fact she she stayed On Nina lee even
after they, divorced and two of his children are still.
ALIVE i, mean they might be able to tell you
(21:18):
more interesting. Facts BUT i remember THAT i lived in
an apartment complex and my brother had come to visit,
me and he was out there and and Some it
was basically young people and they saw him and, said
oh my, Gosh Hank. Williams. So and my dad was
a car salesman In. Corpus and then my Brother bill
(21:42):
got a football scholarship TO U T arlington and he
Started Curtis mathis there and did very very. Well not With,
henry but WELL i called Him, henry Not. Hank and
and and then you, know then he changed To magnavox
(22:03):
and owned A magnavox Location Immemorial City mall for about ten.
Years and he had four boys and they Had he
lived In waller and was my other Brother. Bill So
henry had moved to let's, see he moved To New
(22:24):
mexico for a, while but never went back into THE tv.
Business and then he's got two children that are. Living
two of his sons have.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Died but so somebody had told me one of his
SIZE i think it Was scotty became a. Televangelist is that? True?
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Scotty you know he moved To. MEXICO i know That
scotty was a very Devout christian and he may have
because he his mother moved back To, Morella, mexico And
scotty followed her and stayed that and Then roddy was.
Here And scotty was, very very overweight his whole. Life
(23:08):
and my brother took him to a psychiatrist to figure
out why he ate so. Much BUT i think he
stayed pretty much. Overweight he was real, funny he had
a wonderful. Personality but he might very well have been In.
MEXICO i just don't.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Know, PAT i could listen to you tell stories because
everything is so matter of. Fact did they figure out
why he ate so?
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Much? No BUT i was at The Houston zoo with
my brother And christina and his wife and all the,
kids AND i Saw scotty go. In somebody dropped like
a hamburger half, eaten and he must have been eight or.
Nine then he went over to the garbage can and
(23:52):
tried to get the hamburger. Out and then one time
he asked my brother for a Cook he and my brother, said, No,
scottie you you can't eat that. Cookie you know what
the doctor, Said and he said to his To, hank he,
said CAN i just smell the? Cookie and SO i,
(24:16):
know isn't that? Sad? Yeah he was, Tremendously yes he,
was but he was. Hilarious all Of henry's kids were fun.
Now one of, Them, joseph is a very well known.
Hairdresser in, fact he would go to the RADIO tv
station for many years and do the hair for all
(24:38):
the you, know the people that were doing the morning.
Shows and HE i think he has he works at
On Washington avenue in a, place and he's, married has
a very Wonderful christian. Wife we're all Huge trump, supporters
SO i don't, know But i'm sure you, yes he's.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Straight SO i was talking with who WAS i talking
to yesterday about uh, Oh emily my sister about straight
fellas that get into businesses that are dominated by gay,
men like floral designers or hair hairdressers or interior, designers
(25:23):
and how difficult that must be for, them right because
everybody hold on to Save Pat.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
Yeah a little, Son michael Berrys George.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
SLEEP i can't you're. Excited Rick derringer died this. Week
rickdringer has more tunes that you would know than some
people might. Expect chad reminded me that he did the
(25:57):
intro For. Demolition might have a tour of the fours
Of Rick darringer. TUNES i used to listen to The
Josh Inness show on my drive in in the mornings
and our creative, Director Jim mudd was The Ramona robles
of The Josh Innes show and they played that. Song
was that their intro? Song they played the hell out of.
IT i know that they also played to give The
(26:19):
man His money On Friday. Mornings that. Aod that was
a good bit right. There it's a good. Bit and
that was the moment THAT i KNEW i was Hiring
Jim mudd to replace from. Home that was the. Moment,
yep right there on that, spot that was. It speaking of, Wrestling,
pat a number of people have emailed in that your,
Brother Hank williams had owned The Curtis Mathis dealer. Dealership
(26:44):
the wrestling sponsorship seems to have been a big deal
With Paul bosch and folks remembering him that.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Way oh, YEAH i. Know he was pretty well, known
AND i think it was an advantage to Be Hank
williams junior in.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Life was he really a? Junior, yes My.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Henry Isler williams and my dad Was Henry Isler williams.
Senior AND i used that on some of my. Passwords
Henry isler because it's so. Weird you you, know you
never get, oh we already have that one or.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Something where did come? From?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yeah you, KNOW i don't know. That my father's dad
was killed in The everglades during a hurricane and he
he had twelve eleven brothers and sisters and so excuse,
me he JUST i really don't know WHERE i mean
(27:55):
because she had so many kids having to do different
names or. Something but it is.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Unusual isler did he give you a FREE?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Tv he probably, did you, Know Curtis mathis In. ARLINGTON
i think it Was arlington now. Started what they did
is they give you A tv for a week for,
free and then they get you hooked and then you'd buy.
It it was really a pretty good concept way back.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
When, Man i've seen SOME i was about to start
talking ABOUT tv theft out of target when there's, Right
but that's a different story for a different. Day. Pat,
yeah and what did you.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Different group of? People you, KNOW i lived in The
woodlands for thirty years And i'm still a real estate.
AGENT i worked For remax and now my, Son George,
snyder Owned Southern Star properties and and he's my.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Broker he's your son and your. Broker, yeah you're not remaxing.
Anymore You're Southern Star. Properties, No I'm Southern Star.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Properties. Yeah AND i in, FACT i just had a
listing And creekside in The woodlands that just. Sold so
even Though i'm seventy, Five i'm still working every.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Day you know WHAT i love about, You, pat what
you just say what you think without any judgment of
whether it's good or, bad or somebody would like it
or they. DON'T i, mean If scotty was, fat he was,
fat and it's nothing wrong with. That he's a good,
kid but he's he's he was real. Fat and you
Know george he chewed his nails down to the bone
And bob he you, know remember he was had a
(29:33):
thing for little. Girls and Then, sam of course he
went to prison a couple of. TIMES i love. That
my grandmother was that. Way she would just it would
just come out and it was no judgment one way or.
Another it's just that was what it. Was you. Know
tom of course he cheats on His i've.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Got a, Yeah i've got a granddaughter At Sam houston And.
Huntsville and one day she got real mad at me and,
said you're just judge, yeah that's the new.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Word we need more. Judge it's Like Shirley klucker, SAID
i bring back, shame preach on. Shame we need people
to be. Ashamed then they wouldn't go out in public
looking like fools like they do and acting like. Fools Pat,
hey you said something Around you said SOMETHING i wanted
to go back, to And i'm trying to remember what it.
Was told about His oh the straight, hairdresser which is just.
(30:24):
Rare his Name.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Joseph, Williams Joseph, williams and he's really good looking and
had very Devout. Christians his. Wife they got two, children
one one daughter is At Texas. Tech and then uh,
yeah AND i in The. WOODLANDS i mean everybody knew.
Him he was From lebanon and his, Son kevin is
now my, hairdresser and he is both were. Straight in,
(30:50):
Fact kevin has two, children two little, girls and uh
and he works In Marriott. Waterway that's where he. Works
he owned a shop with his, dad and both of
them were as normal as apple. Pie not. Gay so oh, no.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Where they're, Fad, no they.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Were both of them are. Cute Now aman. Died you,
KNOW i know that sounds, sad but it's just what
happens when people get. Older, Really, Okay so But kevin's
ony in his. Forties, okay well.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
There had to be quite an age gap between you
And hank if he died at fifty, five and that Was.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
YEAH i have a sister that's. Ninety we just celebrated
her birthday and she was fourteen years older than. Me
and THEN i think my Brother henry was four years
younger than. Her THOSE i guess he. Was, yes, see
(31:54):
if he was, alive he'd be eighty.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Five, okay so he was pretty young when all that
was going.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
On, YEAH i just remember what people told. Me BUT
i was in my twenties when he owned THE.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Tv, place and you've been in real estate all that.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Time, NO i.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
LIVED i got married and my husband was international sales
manager FOR Amf, tuboscope and we lived. Overseas in, fact my,
Son George, snyder was born In london in The Welwick
house Where Lisa taylor used to go just to relax
(32:35):
for a.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Month that's also, Interesting, pat you have made my. Day
i'm so glad you. Called oh you're so. SWEET i
bet there's so many people out there that Know Pat
snyder that are. Going That's Pat snyder On The Michael Berry. Show.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Yeah Well i've been in real estate for a long. Time,
yep they know.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Me, yeah you'll you'll probably pick up three new listings
out of.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
This oh, Yay, pat thanks for, calling.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Sweetheart you're.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Wonderful, okay all righty, Bye.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Ramon you just never know who's out there. Listening you
just never. KNOW i love. THAT i love when something comes.
Up you, know the highlight of Drunk March day yesterday
was the ups guy honking at him as he drove.
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