PM Show Hr 1 | Talking w/ Prof. Jay Coons About US Involvement in Israel & Iran

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. Michael
Very Show is on the air. We won't take a
lot of hate we want. We're gonna be sued every
day and numerous times. I think you will see the
left try to control the media. They're going to show
the first crying female, first crying child, and say how

(00:24):
inhumane we are.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I just wouldn't say that. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Only people who are getting detected children.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
They don't understand.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
They're so story.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I wish I could do something that they can't.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
I don't know what to do.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
I'll try and be there, But they won't talk about
three hundred and forty thousand children that they out to
take care of. They're not going to talk about the
young women who have been murdered in this country the
hands of criminal cartels. We're not going to talk about
the hundreds of angel moms and dads who bury their children.

(01:12):
Want to talk about family separation, they bury their children.
The children were killed by remember a member of a
criminal cartel where someone's not supposed to be here. They'll
tell one side of the story. They'll try to jellifies, but
they're not going.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
It's where he lets the Martina fights through her pained
and tears after she says her father Andres Martina, was
arrested from his walke Gan home early Sunday morning by
Immigration and Customs enforcement agents. She says that the forty
four year old grandfather came to the US from Mexico
nearly thirty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
They will open the door because date that maybe one
of us where InChI or something habits was They been
nice and we.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Will find that priority tiger, which is a criminal alien.
If he's with others in the United States illegally, we're
going to take enforcement action against and we're going to
force him or grace.

Speaker 6 (01:59):
On hell from the curtain and saw that, it said police.
When I saw the agents get out, they had the
building surrounded, so they entered. They went up and started
knocking on the doors really loudly.

Speaker 7 (02:11):
My children started to cry. Let's start with some good news,
shall we. The Center for Immigration Studies says that nearly
one million illegals have self deported in the first four
months of the Trump presidency. Andrew Arthur, a fellow in
law and policy at the Center for Immigration Studies, rights

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in the New York Post quote, how effective has self
deportation been. One way to track the program is by
checking employment numbers. One financial whiz, cited by The Wall
Street Journal, calculated a decline in the immigrant.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Population that's illegal immigrant.

Speaker 7 (02:51):
We're happy for the legal immigrants of seven hundred and
seventy seven seven hundred and seventy three thousand in the
first four months of the second Trump administration.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
The Washington Post claims.

Speaker 7 (03:04):
Quote a million foreign born workers have exited the workforce
since March. The Post frames this as a sign of
the weakening labor supply, but the paper also notes average
hourly wages accelerated, rising by zero point four percent over

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the month to thirty six dollars and twenty four cents
in May, as earnings continue to beat inflation in a
boost to workers' spending power. In other words, with fewer
illegal aliens, businesses have had to raise wages.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
To attract workers.

Speaker 7 (03:47):
But aliens will only leave if they believe Trump and
Holman are serious about making arrests, and employers know the
FEDS are targeting shady businesses. The voluntary exodus should not
be surprising. When President Dwight Eisenhower launched his deportation round

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up in nineteen fifty four. If you don't know what
Dwight David Eisenhower named the deportation roundup, go look it up.
Nearly ten aliens left voluntarily for each one arrested. That
was the program begun in nineteen fifty four, So for

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everyone they arrested, almost ten left on their.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Own, which, by the way, that's better. That's way better.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
A post nine to eleven registration program also drove self deportations.
Department of Homeland Security cannot arrest and deport fifteen point
four million illegals.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
This is according to the article, But if it.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
Simply enforces the law, many aliens will get the message
and leave on their own, as hundreds of thousands, maybe
even a million, already have. One of the things that
people who want wide open and legal immigration have said
for years is why you can't deport them all.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
We don't need to. We don't need to.

Speaker 7 (05:19):
Look, if you weigh eight hundred pounds and you go, well,
I'd like to do something about it, and say, well,
I don't know if you can lose all, I don't
know if you can get down to one hundred and fifty.
You don't need to just going from eight hundred to
four hundred is progress. Just going from four hundred to
two to fifty is progress. You don't have to deport

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them all. And what are we seeing as a result, Well,
here's phase two. NBC News, not exactly a conservative outlet,
reports regarding Glen Valley Foods.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Quote, every seat.

Speaker 7 (05:55):
In the waiting area of Glenn Valley Foods was occupied
with people, and by the way, American citizens filling out
job applications. Early Thursday afternoon, two days after the meat
packing plant became the center of the largest work site
immigration raid in the state of Nebraska so far this year.

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So cause and effect, ICE goes in, DHS goes in,
removes arrests, and removes the illegal aliens. Jobs pop open.
Oh well, Americans don't want to do those jobs. Oh contrare, monfrere.
Look what happened. Every seat in the waiting room Americans

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were there to do the jobs that were now available.
When people tell you that Americans don't want to work,
part of what you have to understand is companies didn't
want to hire. That's the dirty little secret. And you
created networks. They didn't want to hire, They didn't want

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to comply with America's labor laws. And when you hire
an I legal worker, you don't have to. You don't
pay overtime for overtime loss. You don't worry with OSHA
and all those things because those people are too scared
to go tell on you.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
That's what it really comes down to. All Right, we're
going to.

Speaker 7 (07:22):
Talk about Iran and Israel. Try to be circumspect and
fair about a discussion coming.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Up with bizarre of talk radio the Michael Berrie Show.

Speaker 7 (07:33):
I don't recall an issue splitting Republicans in quite the
way the Israel Iran issue has in quite a while.
To be honest with you. You know, there's the never
Trump folks who hate Trump and everything about Trump. That's

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a lot of those folks were at National Review. I
was not a Trump supporter in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
When he came out. Many of you know this. I
was a Ted Cruz guy.

Speaker 7 (08:01):
I introduced Ted Cruz in Iowa the night before the election.
The primary, the caucus, and Ted Cruse won Iowa.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
People forget that. I didn't think Trump would govern the
way he's governed.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
I did not. I also didn't think he was serious.
Now when I say that, I get a number of
emails going he was serious and he was going to govern. Now, okay,
I'm confessing I wasn't for him. So if you follow
the Trump arc, you will notice that there are people
who were very close to Trump, Michael Cohen, for instance,

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who hate Trump. Now you will notice that there are
people who didn't like Trump who now are much more
supportive of him. The split of opinion on how involved
we should be in the Israeli Iran fracas is a
split of opinion, and I think is loosely aligned with

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libertarians versus neo cons the folks who love war and
the folks who oppose war. I am much more the libertarian.
Trump has tended to be more isolationist. Is usually used
as an insult, but Trump has been a person who has,
throughout the course of his adult life been opposed to

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involving ourselves in foreign wars.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
And by the way, we have.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
A terrible history, from Vietnam to Iraq to Afghanistan, of
losing a lot of treasure and blood for no good reason,
and that is a dishonor to the young men who
are willing to serve our country and now young men
and women. So I just think it's healthy for us
to have a conversation. Do I like to see Iran bomb? Yeah,

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I will admit for the same reason I like to
watch Luchador's fight, and I like midget wrestling, and I like,
you know, clashes of titans and and you know a
bit of the old ultra violence. Yeah I do. I
don't like Iran. I think they're they're agents of EVA.
But how involved should we be to if at all?
Is a question that we should be having. And Tucker

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Carlson has been raising that question, and he's he's been
the president has taking the gloves off, and a guy
that he likes a lot and respects a lot, he
has taken to insulting now as much as he insulted
Elon Musk over the Big Beautiful Bill.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
And you can have any opinion you want on that.
I'm not telling you how to think about it. I
do think these are discussions we should have. So I
read Professor J. Coons, who's a guy who.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
I see his name pop up on various issues, and
he tends to be a very circumspect fella. And it
was some real, if nothing else, questions with regard to
our involvement alongside Israel in the bombing of Iran and
potential engagement, and I asked him to be our guest.

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He said, look, I don't want to be the expert
on the war or on Iran because that's not my position.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I'm just raising questions. And I said, that's fair. Professor J.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
Coons of sam Houston State University. Let's talk first about
You brought up the Powell doctrine, and I think that's
a very good point to start. You talked about the
Power doctrine on committing US military forces. Talk a little
bit about that, because I think that's a good standard
we should use as to whether we engage in foreign

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countries or not.

Speaker 8 (11:25):
We'll get afternoon, Michael. And it's a pleasure being on.
When Colin Powell was a company great officer in Vietnam
and then later returned as a major. That cadre of
officers talked well during Vietnam and after Vietnam, and they
basically made the pact that in the post Vietnam era

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they would never allow another Vietnam another American would be
conducted in that manner. So they came up with the
Powell Doctrine or the Weinberger Powell Doctrine basically set for
certain points as to how to make the decision on
whether or not to commit US troops to combat. Number

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one is a clearly defined objective. What does winning look like?
In others? What is it that we're trying to do?
In very very specific terms. Also too, they wanted to
use force as a very last resort and only to
protect the vital interests of our country or our allies.

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Was it necessary? Third to use the military force to
do that? Can we accomplish that aim in some other manner?
Fourth would be to commit. If we make the decision
to commit military force, to commit overwhelming force. And here
think of go far one and go war two. Also

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go to the people, gain popular support for this action.
And last, only this when all the consequences and all
the permutations have been figured out.

Speaker 7 (13:06):
It's a good standard, you know, you know, I think
that we should. I think that we should have a
process by which we analyze prior to engaging. I think
back to twenty nineteen and Iran had shot down an
unmanned US drone, pretty aggressive act, and at the time

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Bolton wanted Trump to authorize a retaliatory strike. Pompeo did,
Pence did, all the Washington War miners wanted a retaliatory strike,
and the estimation at the time was that about one
hundred and fifty Iranis would be killed, and Trump had
authorized and at the last minute he pulled back and said, no,

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we're not going to do that. And three months later
he fired John Bolton. And he was speaking to the
press in the way that only Trump does. It wasn't
actually a press conference. He was walking to get on
Air Force one and he was asked a question about
that and he said, this was twenty nineteen, so he's
three years into his first term. And he said, first

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y'all called me a warmonger, and now you call me
a dove. I'm thinking through serious decisions because these are
serious issues, and I thought that was the right tone
to strike. I will say this, whatever President Trump continues
to do does in the future. You know, if the

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guy might be kind of a swashbuckling gunslinger off the
cuff with regard to his opinions on a lot of things,
but I will say that I have better judgment Jay Coons.
I feel he has better judgment entering into these things.
And I'm not saying anyone has to endorse this action

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and endorse US supporting Israel or standing alongside and engaging
with Israel in bombing and boots in the ground, and
however far we want to go. But I will say this,
and I'm know Trump pumper, so I feel like I
have credibility to say this. I feel that the President
takes war more seriously and in a more circumspect fashion

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than any of his predecessors in my lifetime.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
And I was born in nineteen seventy.

Speaker 7 (15:26):
His unwillingness to simply send in troops to be slaughtered,
which is going to happen if you're there very long.
You know nineteen ninety one, ninety two Iraq, you know
the first Golf War. That was a bit of an anomaly.
We can't count on that again. More with Professor j.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Cooms. You're listening to the Michael Berry Show.

Speaker 7 (15:45):
Professor J Comes is our guest of sam Houston State University,
and we're talking about the extent of American involvement in
the Israel Iran fracas. And you have, for if nothing else,
a more circum circumspect approach.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I am not putting words into your mouth.

Speaker 7 (16:06):
You're not necessarily saying the United States should not be involved,
whether in supplying or manning vessels and war artillery machinery.
You're just saying that we should have a sophisticated approach
something like the Power doctrine.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Is that right or not? I don't want to put
words into your mouth.

Speaker 8 (16:29):
No, that's correct. Whether we decide to commit or not
to commit, the Powell doctrine gives us a pretty simple
step by step decision matrix that we need to go through.
We need to discuss seriously and how does that matrix
guide us towards committing our forces or not committing our forces.

Speaker 7 (16:51):
You make reference to, and this has been a subject
that has bothered me a lot, particularly in Afghanistan, that
we send our men in to be police officers primarily
to get shot at, to walk on IEDs, to have
suicide bombers in the streets, but you can't fire first,

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and often their children and women, and we don't seem
to equip them with the intention to win, and I
think that is setting them up for failure.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
You made the point about using B two bombers.

Speaker 7 (17:25):
With the GBU the bunker buster bombs to destroy the
Irani nuclear sites. What I'm hearing you say is to
quote the Power Doctor and unquote you in that reference
declare victory, go home and let the Israelis mop up
after let them mop up, don't hang around that bunker
buster bomb. Apparently we're the only ones in the world

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that have some technology like this. And I think the
theory as I see it proffered, is this is your
one shot to get Iran.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
You've got them on the ropes. You may not have
another chance at this. Can you elaborate on that?

Speaker 8 (18:03):
That's correct from what I'm reading, the Israelis have either
very very seriously degraded Ron's air defense capabilities. But you know,
when you think about it, the B two has a
radar cross section of a bumblebee. Now that doesn't mean
that it can't get shot down, because it can't. It's

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not bulletproof. But we have these bunker buster bombs and
to go in and do what the Israelis can't do,
which is not these facilities that are buried anywhere from
what eight to a couple of hundred yards underground, to
destroy those facilities, to not only prevent their creating a device,

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manufacturing the device, but the lead up to it, the enriching,
the uranium and all that. To me, it's it meets
the meters of the Powell doctrine. Uh, it's a specific
mission to accomplish a specific task, and then we're gone.

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You know, there are wants in their needs. Well, what
we want is the fundamentalist Islamic regime out and we
want a pro Western democracy in. Well, that's not going
to happen unless we invade, and that's not going to
happen or the Iranian people rise up. So if we're

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not going to get our once, what about our needs.
We want an Iran without nuclear capabilities and an Iran
without the ability to develop nuclear weapons, and we can
do that fairly cleanly, very quickly, and then again withdrawal forces.

Speaker 7 (19:49):
It's interesting that the word regime change. I think about
in the course of my lifetime, how that has become
such a dirty word and is a re for it
because it has been bungled at great cost. You know,
the original regime change before the Shah in Iran left

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us with You know, we might have had twenty five
years of secular pro American alliance in Iran, but in
seventy nine Iran became the scourge of the world and
certainly our mortal enemy. Who does us a lot of
harm our men that were dying in Iraq. We're largely
dying at the hands of Irani insurgents, Irani trained folks.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
You've got the UTIs.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
You know, Iran is a real bad actor in the world,
and we bear some responsibility for how Iran came to be,
and I put that largely at the doorstep of Jimmy Carter.
But our regime change in Libya huge failure with Kadafi,
Our regime change in Egypt with Hasni Bubarik, huge failure.

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You could argue, and I would that the Saddam Hussein
regime change ended up being a failure. I think hovering
over the mind of some Republicans, and I think this
is what Tucker Cralson is trying to say, is that
we have not been good at regime change. So when
you start talking about resume change, it's possible it ends
up worse than it is today. If that's imaginable, fair.

Speaker 8 (21:20):
I'd say so, yes. The funny thing is is we're
really really good at resumed change, but not the post
change consequences. What happens then. Sarah Paine is a professor
at the US Singvil War College. One She's just a
who to listen to. She's got a very dry goal

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sense of humor. But she was asked, you know what
was the difference. Why did we succeed so well in
the reconstruction of Germany and Japan yet turn around and
fail so miserably with Iraq and Afghanistan? And she talked,
that's pretty simple. You're dealing with first old countries with
Germany and Japan, and you know, third world countries by

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and large with Iraq. In Afghanistan, Germany and Japan had
these institutions set up previously. Basically, all we need to
do is change the players in these other countries. You've
got to develop that entire system. And the question becomes,
do those countries have the capability at that point in

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time to do that right? And particularly with Afghanistan, that
just was not the case.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
And maybe never will be.

Speaker 7 (22:35):
I want to be the eternal optimist, but you know,
you know as well as I do, that Afghanistan is
not The Afghan people do not consider themselves Afghan people.
They consider themselves Pushtuns and one of a number of
hundreds of tribes. They speak different languages, they are tribal
units almost exclusively. They do not devote allegiance to a

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national currency, leader, culture, or whatever else. And I think
that's what gets lost, Professor j Coons is our guests.
I think that's what gets lost in all of this
is if you don't have the political infrastructure in a nation,
toppling the leader is only going to create a void.
This is what we saw in Iraq that's going to

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be filled by often even worse actors. You know, as
bad as people did not like Basher in Syria, that
was much more stable than the replacement. As much as
people didn't like Cosni Mubarik, he had normalized relations with Egypt,
with Israel and was a relatively secular nation that we

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could do business with. Replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood and
self governance is an interesting concept. You know, we all
want to be pro democracy or republic, but there are
some cultures where democracy is going to yield that which
I don't think we are prepared for.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
The Kadaffi we had was a Kadaffi.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
We could deal with the kadaff The replacement for Kadaffi
we couldn't.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
I'm being told we are up against a break.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
Jacoons, thanks for being our guest, professor at sam Houston
State University.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
We'll have you back again, my friend. Thank you Kirk
Cameron of the famous Growing Pains man.

Speaker 8 (24:22):
If it worked for Growing Pains, I wouldn't be on
the Michael Ben Show. You.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
There is a movie called Tread Joe t r e A.
D as in don't Tread on Me.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
I think it's probably in the Amazon Prime category.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I think that's probably where it is, but I don't know.
I never know.

Speaker 7 (24:46):
I do Netflix Amazon Prime almost exclusively because Amazon Prime
has all the other things that have you know, movies
are different. I watch a lot of documentaries, so they
have all the OLDBS stuff before PBS went wacky. And
there is this movie called Tread which you'll either love

(25:09):
it or you'll wonder why I like.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It so much. But I think a lot of guys.

Speaker 7 (25:14):
If you are a person, if you liked the movie
Falling Down with Michael Douglas about a guy who's just
had enough and loses it and what happens in the
course of that day, you will like this movie.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
It's a true story.

Speaker 8 (25:29):
By the way.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
If you liked American Beauty, particularly Kevin Spacey's character who
just felt like he'd been kicked around by everybody and
everything and just lets it all go. Then you will
probably like this. So the story in the movie Tread,

(25:51):
which is, as I said, a true story. It's it's
based on it is a it's a telling of a
true story. It's a guy named Marvin Hemeyer, if I
remember correctly, and it's a town of Granby, Colorado.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
And who knows whether Marvin.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
Was actually wronged or felt he was wronged, but it
felt like the whole town was against him, and they
basically shut down his little muffler shop because he couldn't
get water into it. So the local town, the people
that own the cement plant, were on the city council
and the mayor, and it was small town politics, tiny

(26:28):
little town, and they did him wrong, he feels. So
he has a warehouse and he, over the course of
a couple of years, builds out this what came to
be known not by him, but can be known by
his legion of fans.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
And I am one of.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
Them as the Killdozer time out. So what happened is
Marvin Hemeyer it is so frustrated with this town that
he sees on line for sale for only sixteen thousand
dollars a Komatsu D three point fifty five a bulldozer.

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In an auction, he buys it, he has it shipped
to the town of Granby. He kept it outside of
his business with a forced sale sign on it because
he'd gotten such a good deal, and he actually tried
to auction it, but nobody paid attention. So he was

(27:29):
going to flip the bulldozer, that's all. And then in
October of two thousand and two, he announced that he
was closing his muffler repair business because of the sewage
and the water that they prevented him from getting, he
couldn't operate his shop, so he sells everything off. What

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they don't know is that he's now preparing for the
end at times, and he begins work in Earnest on
what comes to be known as the Killdozer, and Marvin
Hemeyer outfits this thing like a tank with steel panels
around the outside so that when he's shot at it,

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it'll deflect him. And the town doesn't know what to do.
It's like the North Hollywood bank robbery. They never see
anything like this, And he goes through town just tearing
stuff up and until he gets it off its tracks.
He goes to bulldoze a hardware store, which was one
of his enemies in town, and little does he know
that the hardware store has a basement. So when he

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drives across the hardware store, two of the right side
of the tracks goes down into the basement and he's
left there.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
He commits suicide. Inside.

Speaker 7 (28:45):
It's a dark story, That's why I said. A lot
of you won't like it, and you'll wonder why I do.
But anybody who has ever felt wronged and imagined making
it right in your own warped mind will underst stand
this mindset right. Two stories that go along with that.

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Popo in South Carolina were involved in a low speed
chase with a man in an excavator. Speeds reached as
much as three miles an hour and what brand of
excavator was it?

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Why?

Speaker 2 (29:21):
It was a Komatsu inside edition with the.

Speaker 9 (29:23):
Story, well, a high speed chase this was not, but
that's it and stopped the driver from trying. The North
Charleston Police Department in South Carolina says they responded to
an alarm. When they arrived at the location, they noticed
property damage and this excavator creeping away from the scene.

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Officers attempted to make a traffic stop, but the excavator
kept going, although they never lost sight of it. When
the suspect realized he wasn't going to make a clean getaway,
cops say he'd ditched the machine and ran into the wood.
The CANON units were called in to locate him. He
was apprehended and charged with failure to stop for a
blue light and an enhancement to malicious injury to real property.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
And if you have watched enrage as protesters have jumped
in front of families and prevented them from driving off
and nobody will hit the gas and you've thought that
you would INNBC Los Angeles with the story.

Speaker 10 (30:27):
New video shows the scene at Fifth and Hill around
seven point thirty tonight when a protester was.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Run over by the driver in this red Toyota.

Speaker 10 (30:34):
They hit someone, They ran over her leg. Protesters said
they were blocking the intersection when.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
The woman was hit.

Speaker 10 (30:40):
After the crash, the driver took off. Minutes later, paramedics
rushed the injured protester to the hospital.

Speaker 8 (30:46):
She's thankfully safe, but yeah, I know this is what's
kind of going on.

Speaker 10 (30:50):
The violent hit and ron marked the end of what
was otherwise a quiet day downtown. There was an afternoon
protest outside City Hall and an evening rally in per
Sheen Square. Jose Padilla was among the protesters who voiced
their opposition to increased immigration enforcement.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well, I'm not here for myself. I'm here. Can I
stand up and speak for those hours? I can't?

Speaker 10 (31:11):
Can't stand up on a few But as protests continue,
many downtown businesses are boarded up. On this Father's Day,
almost every shop was shut down in the Jewelry District.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
We're kind of timid about what to expect.

Speaker 10 (31:24):
Erica Mosley and PJ. Bastiatti are visiting from the Bay Area.

Speaker 7 (31:28):
We were trying to just, you know, come downtown to
get some rents, you have something to eat, and it
took us a minute.

Speaker 8 (31:33):
To even find that that food market that's.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Still opened, but you know, blocks and blocks of everything
was closed.

Speaker 10 (31:38):
Blair Beston is the executive director for the Downtown Historic
Core Business Improvement District. She said the curfew and ongoing
protests have hurt business.

Speaker 11 (31:48):
It's really tough on the businesses, But at the same time,
we really need the curfew to help enforcement because without it,
it's kind of mayhem. What we're trying to do is
encourage people to patronize those businesses until that eight o'clock hour.

Speaker 10 (32:04):
Bestin said she's hoping the curfew can be pushed back tonight.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
We're really looking to.

Speaker 12 (32:10):
Keep us supported and hope that people don't look at
downtown as just a place for mayhem and demonstrations or protests,
but also a place where you can come and really
enjoy a great meal shop and have a really unique experience.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
That was in Los Angeles.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
Meanwhile, in Florida, Ron de Santis leads the charge this
is what governors should be saying.

Speaker 13 (32:34):
That if you're driving on one of those streets and
a mob comes and surrounds your vehicle and threatens you,
you have a right to flee for your safety. And
so if you drive off and you hit one of
these people, that's their fault for impinging on you. You
don't have to sit there and just be a sitting
duck and let the mob grab you out of.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Your car and drag you through the streets. You have
a right to defend yourself. In Florida, y