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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
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So Michael Verie Show is on the air.
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The US is the first time in the history of
the world where a government.
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Was organized with a constitution.
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Laying out the rules that the individual was supreme and dominant.
And that is what led to the US becoming the
greatest country ever because it unleashed people to be the
best they could be, unlike it had ever happened. That's
American exceptionalism.
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Our resolve is unbroken and our purpose is unchanged to
delivery government that serves the American people better than ever before.
To win with every single facet. We're gonna win so much.
You may even get tired of winning. And you say, please, please,
it's too much winning.
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We can't take.
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It anymore, mister President, it's too much, And I'll say, no,
it isn't.
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We have to keep winning. We have to win more.
We're gonna win more.
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We're gonna win so much.
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You never didn't think that it ever would have happened again, teacher.
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You never didn't think that would ever get together again
with the.
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Brand, would be allowed again.
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You never did think that it ever would happen again.
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It was a tall proud city, building rocks stronger.
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Than oceans, wind swept, god.
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Blessed and teeming with people of all kinds living in
harmony and peace. A city with pree ports that hunged
with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be
city walls, the walls had doors, and the doors were
open to anyone with the wills and.
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The heart to get here. That's how I saw it
and see it still.
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And we will restore and renovate our nations once great cities,
making them safe, clean.
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And beautiful again.
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And that includes our nation capital.
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You never.
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You never did a thing that would.
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Never get together again.
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Again.
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Under my plan, incomes will skyrocket, inflation will vanish completely,
jobs will come roaring back, and the middle class will
prosper like never ever before.
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And we're going to do it very rapidly.
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I will bring back the American dream. Your expectations are
not big enough, not big enough. It's time to start
expecting and demanding the best leadership in the world. Leadership
that is bold, dynamic, relentless, and fearless.
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We can do that.
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We are Americans.
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Ambition is our heritage, Greatness is our birthright.
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And you.
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Together again again.
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With great humility.
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I am asking you to be excited about the future
of our country.
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Be excited, Be excited.
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June nineteenth, famously known as June teenth or June teenth.
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We study the Civil War.
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And the moments of that era as if they're tidy
and clean. Civil war started, civil War ended, everything went along.
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It's not how it happened, not at all.
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April, sorry, I believe it was January first, eighteen sixty three,
Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. Milton Friedman has a
chapter in Free to Choose where he talks about the
institution of slavery as being a point on a continuum
of governments restricting the rights of people in so many ways,
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the right of movement. Throughout history, there have been restrictions
on the right of movement, the right of marriage. You
can't marry this person. Some communities were not allowed to
marry at all. They didn't exist. In India, you had
the class system, and you had one group called the Hutgons,
the untouchables, untouchable not like elliot ness, but untouchable, as in,
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don't touch them, they are dirty, they are beneath humanity
had restrictions as to what languages could be spoken, all
sorts of political restrictions, legal restrictions, economic restrictions. The greatest
restriction you can make is to take away absolute freedom
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and subjugate a human being. It is evil and it
is awful. Now we know it was not limited to
the United States. We know that it preceded the colonization
of the United States. It's an evil institution that speaks
to the evil within mankind and what happens unchecked. April
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January first, eighteen sixty three Emancipation Proclamation. On April ninth,
eighteen sixty five, the Confederates abandoned Richmond at the Battle
of Appomatox Courthouse, and Robert E. Lee would, with great
dignity meet Union General Ulysses S.
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Grant with great grace? Did Grant do this?
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And the two of them would in this meeting, Grant
would accept General Lee's surrender. Many people mark that as
the end of the Civil War, but technically it was not.
Lee did not have the power to surrender for the Confederacy.
He was not Jefferson Davis. He was not the man
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over this confederation of states that had broken away from
the Union. He was over a command of the Virginia
forces the finest fighting forces supposedly in all the land.
So it was not until August twentieth, eighteen sixty six,
that Abraham Lincoln's successor, Lincoln, having been assassinated Andrew Johnson,
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would declare the war was over.
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We, in a neat and tidy.
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Way, study the end of the Civil War as being
eighteen sixty five, because effectively, essentially April ninth, eighteen sixty five,
marked the end of the fighting in the most significant manner.
But as you can imagine, they didn't have a website
or a push text or any other means by which
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to tell the people from New York down to Florida
and over to Texas, Hey, there's no reason to fight
any longer. It's like the Japanese man that goes wandering
in many years later and thinks that the war is
still going on and finds out that decades of his
life have been lost in hiding when the war had
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been completed many many years before.
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We will talk about Juneteenth in just a moment.
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Juneteenth is also a special day in my life because
on nineteenth in nineteen sixty seven, on June tenth, my
brother Christopher Wayne Berry was born, and on Juneteenth, nineteen
ninety two, I was wed to my betrothed Nandita vencatationwardin Berry,
making this our thirty third wedding anniversary, thirty six years together. Wow,
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that is amazing. That is something to be proud of,
it really is. But Ramone, Ramone is bothered that Juneteenth
is now a federal holiday.
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He's sore over it. But it has nothing to do
with black people. I'll explain to with the Michael Berry.
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Ill, Ramone seems very affable and happy, go lucky if
you meet him, you know, maybe even jolly. You think
of Ramone as sort of jolly. But Ramone seeds with resentment.
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I think Eddie put a lot of that to rest
with his with his watch. I think the watch was
a big issue, but there is still there's still the remnants.
I think we bunk or busted that one pretty well.
And I'll tell you why. Because over the years, the
programming floor, which is the people who are on air
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and their production team, was separate. We were on five
and sales was on four, and three was the public floor.
So that was where you would come a lot of
stations do giveaways if you came, if you want tickets,
you would come there if you came to a meeting.
There were conference rooms on that floor. The promotions department
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that does you know, live broadcasts out of event they do.
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They coordinate all those things from there and.
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HR and all that was on three four was all
sales and we were on five. And so in twenty
twenty one, when Joe Biden declared June tenth the national holiday,
it was added to the days of Moan's resentment. Because
up until a couple of years ago, my theory was
my dad never was misworking.
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We ain't missing work, and we're going to work through everything.
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So every national holiday, other than say Christmas Thanksgiving, we
worked and we would be the only people in the building.
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And so I've not only.
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That the salesforce would leave, you know, at lunch today
before go out with some clients, have drinks and go
and here we were good.
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Don't good, don't good?
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Don't the lowest paid people in the building working on
this holiday. And as you can imagine, the much maligned
Ramone bore resentment at this, years after years after years.
So June teenth, representing the day that the general Orders
were brought to Galveston, General Order number three from Union
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Major General Gordon Granger on June tenth, eighteen sixty five,
in Galveston, Texas, said, the people of Texas are informed that,
in accordance with a proclamation from the Executive of the
United States, all slaves are free. Now, what made this
interesting was the declaration had been issued January first, eighteen
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sixty three, so we're two and a half years later,
but the Civil War was still raging. It was not,
as we mentioned, until a few months before this proclamation,
this executive order being read General Order number three. That
June teenth became the day of the announcement in the
State of Texas of freedom and as we know, freedom
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to choose, freedom to live, freedom to marry, freedom to move,
freedom to conduct transact commerce. These are freedoms that are
God given. They are natural law. No man should be restricted.
You come into this world with birthrights, natural rights given
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by God. This is important to understand as part of
our political philosophy. Government does not give you natural rights.
You are born free as a man with them. Government
can only protect them or take them away. It's important
to understand our mindset in the Judeo Christian world. This
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the Institution of slavery was the ultimate restriction of a
man's freedom, and that's why it had to be abolished,
and that's why it was a scourge on this nation
from the very beginning. We see the restrictions on rights
to this very day, and we stand against him consistently.
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So Ramon has been sore over this issue, and we
told him we're tired of hearing you complain about the
fact that you have to you have to work while
nobody else in the building is working, even though we
don't work in the building anymore. So he did what
you're supposed to do when you're a creative sort. He
create something for you. And here is Ramone's Catharsis and
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we'll take calls after that.
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Hey, it's Trumbold.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
You know what today is. It's a company holiday. More importantly,
it's a federal holiday, which means the benks are closed,
the post office is dark, and half of corporate America's
at home pretending to honor it while actually just sleeping
in doom, scrolling and heating up leftover brisket at ten am.
It's Juneteenth. Now, look, don't get it twisted. It's important.
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Texas had it right before the Feds even knew how
to spell it. But let's be real, most folks didn't
know what Juneteenth was until like ten minutes ago. Now
it's a federal holiday, complete with HR mandated slack messages
and a branded email from bed, Bath and Beyond. And
yet you know what isn't a holiday? D Day not
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a holiday. September eleventh, still clocking in election day. Nah,
we'd hate for people to have time to vote the
Monday after the Super Bowl. Eah, we want you back
at your desk, hungover, dehydrated it and filled with regret.
Just like America intended daylight saving time. Man, we still
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let the government steal an hour of sleep from us
twice a year and don't even get a nap and return. Hey,
the Juneteenth, take the day, Fire up the grill, post
something you googled fifteen minutes ago, and act like you
didn't just learn about it from a company white email
sent by a guy named Todd in HR. Look, I'm
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not anti holiday, I'm pro holiday. I'm just saying when
the irs gets the day off and I'm still working,
we've got a serious problem.
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It's a federal holiday.
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The office, Like Sordim Todd from HR send a note.
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Don't fog get.
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To honor him.
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Thanks. Oh the mails asleep, the flag emojis fly. But
Monday after Super Bowl we still work. Explain that God
take the day grill away? Great and you new the
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reason scroll a fact.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Then take a napple it's federal NAPSI.
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But don't worry. We'll still be here, slave and over
a hot mic.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm not sure how that improves the lives of anybody
black other than our listeners.
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But here we are.
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We shall open the phone calls, the phone lines, but
only to black folks on anything about any of this
that you'd like to discuss.
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Seven three.
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Day, just in here listening, very.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Beaut was ed ed. You're on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Go ahead, sir, Well, Michael, if you would explained to
people about Friedman's town in every large.
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City, you'll see one. You know what it is.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
The other thing is about how the shipping industry to
move goods from the North to the South and south
to the North was controlled, and there were laws written
and the South was getting just screwed to the wall
on shipping. That was also a contributing factor to the
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Civil War. In fact, those laws are still on the books.
When they had a big storm in Puerto Rico about
ten years ago, a French ship called good supplies for
the people to Puerto Rico. They wouldn't let him unload
because it was a foreign ship. This foreign chips are
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still banned from hauling goods in America from north to
south and stuff. Just thought people might want to know
some of those things.
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You know, two things can be true at the same time.
One of them, that slavery is evil is contrary everything
we hold here. The restriction in freedom to any individual.
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Is evil and should be opposed.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's as awful as can be and for a freedom
loving people, and throughout history Americans have been so it
is inconsistent with our core values. The American economy of
the eighteen sixties, and this had been for quite some time,
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needed cheap labor in agriculture, and so the cheapest labor.
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Was free.
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Still had to feed, clothe, purchase all the things that
go into this, but it was the cheapest labor. It
became part of the economic model. But just as you're
hearing white liberals say today, if you deport the illegal
aliens and we have to comply with America's labor laws,
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then we won't have anyone. We won't have a slave,
an underpaid person without any rights, being able to cook, clean, mow, nurse,
do all the things, and those have made us very comfortable.
That is no different than the plantation owner with a
large agricultural interest.
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It was as evil as it was.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It was an economic undertaking, and that was how the
plantation owner viewed it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That doesn't make it right, It doesn't make it kind
or generous. It wasn't.
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It was an economic model based in an evil that
is contrary to our beliefs of freedom.
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Simple, simple as that.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It is also the case that out of that evil
that was conducted by a tiny percentage of people plantation owners,
a number of people fought for a number of different reasons.
It's a complex and nuanced conflict. And yet, as with
most other things, if you question to the extent to
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which we should be involved in the Israel Iran battle,
then you are an anti Semite. If you question whether
we should bust kids across town for two hours to
achieve some white liberal dream of this percentage and this percentage, then.
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You're a racist.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
If you question whether boys should be able to go
into girls' locker rooms. Just because they announce yesterday that
they're a girl, then you're transphobic.
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All of these things are the ways that.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Not very smart people discuss things because it's easier for them.
Nuance and complexity are too much for their little brains.
Or it's the way people describe it because they are
very smart and they understand that if you can back
someone into a corner, then you can't have a reasonable conversation.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I love I love the conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I love the idea of sharing different opinions that may
not line up, and neither one of us has.
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To agree to conclude the discussion.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But it's fun and sharpens iron it makes you think,
and we can all have different perspectives. That's a glorious thing. Loretta,
you share the first name of my late mother. Welcome
to the program.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Well, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
What you got?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Are you able to hear me? Okay, great, yes, sir. Well,
I do think it's that it's great that we're able
to have conversations and just unpacked different ideas and not
necessarily arise at the same conclusion. I'm thinking that it's
very interesting that you would compare immigrants, which would be
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cheap labor to the institution of slavery of which my
family were dissentence of.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I think that's very, very interesting.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
It's similar to the going trend of instead of referring
to African Americans broadly in the past that were restricted
quote unquote as slaves, kind of using a broader brush
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and comparing them to let's say, the indentured servants of Ireland.
I'm just thinking that it's it's very interesting. But the
reason I outreached you, guys was because I heard Ramone's
little little skit that you played, and I thought it
was very very entertaining, especially when he was, you know, saying, well, no,
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I'm not a dance to federal holiday, but hey, what about.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Election Day?
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Or what about the day after the super Bowl? Okay,
election Day definitely a thumbs up. The day after the
super Bowl not so sure.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Well, you know, I think it's the day of greatest
drunkenness other than maybe January first.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
It's a fair point. I'm not a big holiday guy.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
So you know, Ramone comes at this as a guy
who would like a holiday a week, Let's be very
clear on that.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
And so he comes at this less of a racial
issue and.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
More of a well, if we're going to start naming holidays,
Juneteenth as a national holiday was instituted under Joe Biden
in twenty twenty one. What's interesting about that is, like
most white liberals, I don't think anybody.
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Believes that Joe Biden had a deep, abiding.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Love for black people and wanted to show his consistency
with the cause and his understanding of historical suffering. He
treats black people as a political pawn, his corn pop story,
which is probably all made up, that he's the hero
of that you're not black if you don't vote for me,
And I think that's consistent with all of that, and that's.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
What really feels hate Aboutchael. I'm talk at ten o'clock this.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Morning with the founder of turtle Box, and the genesis
of that conversation is one day, I just noticed that
there was a speaker called turtle Box, a Bluetooth speaker
and had kind of a distinctive logo, very simple, almost
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a throwback font. And let's say I notice it on
a billboard. I go into a Republic boot company and
I noticed they sell them, which is interesting because they
do boots and now they expand a hats in custom
suits and leather goods. I thought, oh, but then there's
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that there's that turtle box. There's one sitting there you
can buy. And then I would be at different places
and I noticed Turtleboxing. There comes a point where you
notice that you've been seeing something for a while that's
new to you and you don't know when you first
saw it. Was turtle Box part of my childhood or
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did I just discover it three months ago?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And there is this bias.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You know, when you go by a white Chevy silver Dorado,
white Chevy Silverado, you start noticing every white Chevy Silverado,
or when your kid goes to a school, you start
noticing how many times that school's name comes up.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
It's this It heightens an awareness.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
So I wanted to know the story behind Turtlebox, so
I put the word out yesterday. And because I found
out it's a Houston brand and it's apparently four dudes
just can of for frat boys or fishing buddies or
hunting buddies or high school buddies or who knows what
who started this business? And I thought, well, that seemed
kind of cool. So I put the word out and
as I understand it. The kind of driving force is
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a fellow named Will Bradley, And several folks said, oh,
Will Bradley's a friend, and so I think Jim Mudd
has connected with him, and we'll talk to him at
ten o'clock this morning. Loretta, I wanted to hold you over, Loretta. Yes,
I wanted to hold you over, because how.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Old are you? I'm fifty four, fifty four. You have
a wonderful voice for radio.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You you strike me as a person. This is how
I imagine a number of people that I only got
to know at a.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Much older age. A friend of mine named Marvin Hamilton,
for instance.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
And now Marvin is I think one hundred and thirty
years old and still going strong.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
He's much older.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And he went back in his seventies and got his.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Degree which he'd never finished.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And then he just, what the heck, I'm enjoying this,
got a master's degree. He may be doing his PhD now.
Pretty amazing man. And I used to sit with Marvin.
I called him the old man at the sea. Everybody
would show up. Marvin had a car wash. He was retired.
He was a postmaster general. He's a postmaster of one
of the biggest postal plants, postal stations in the greater
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Houston area, and he'd raised his kids as a single dad,
and he's just one of these guys that everybody respected
and honored. And you would go and he would wash
your car, which was kind of like Jesus washing the
feet of his disciples. It was subjugating himself. And so
here was this very wise man. But I always imagined
studying the civil rights movement and studying race relations in
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this country, and you come across this type of person
who's a very strong person, who may not like who
you are, what you stand for, the job they've been given,
the way you treat them, the terms you use, or
any number of other things. And this is not only
limited to race. But I always imagine this being the
case that there were people who could smile and go
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about their day but not approve in any way, shape
or form of who you are and what you do,
and you might not even notice it. And that's a
sign of great strength, not a sign of weakness. So
I want to go back to something you said in
a very pleasant way, with a sort of forced smile,
that it's very interesting that I compare slavery to the
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modern illegal alien. But I don't think you meant interesting.
I think you meant troubling, and I want you to concerning,
and I want I want you to explain that you deserve.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
That excellent interpretation. Thank you for your compliment. Yes, I
did mean interesting in the sense that it is concerning,
as slavery was not a voluntary institution. It was involunteering.
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The very close that will warn the food that was eden,
whether or not medical care was rendered or was held,
whom it is, whomever it is you were made to
marry or quote unquote breed with your very life was
determined by the planter or the master, very very different
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from the life of an immigrant. People are coming to America.
While would they not want to come to America, the
greatest country on this earth, they come voluntarily, They come willingly,
they come and drove. They're here because they desire to
be here, they desire the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So let me speak very different from slavery. No, in
that sense it is.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
This is a perfect example of so many things where
two people look at something from very different perspectives. I
read in a literary review once years ago that if
you read Huckleberry Finn three times in your life as
a child, as a college student, and as a senior adult,
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that you will identify with three different characters in the
same novel, and you are the same person. So this
is a perfect example of how two people could look
at the same issue from very different perspectives and neither
is necessarily wrong. You are saying, and rightfully so, that
illegal immigration is not slavery because the slave didn't choose
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to enter the institution. The illegal alien chooses to come
to this country and do these jobs for these people.
No one puts a gun to their head. They're not
in shackles, which is true. My position is not did
the illegal alien choose this form of slavery. My position
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is the white liberal woman wants her slave, just as
the plantation owner wanted their slave. And when you listen
to white liberal women talk about how difficult life will
be if they no longer have their I'll use the
word slave.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It's not completely accurate. And yes, it is intended to provoke.
It is intended to inflame. It is intended.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Persuasively to evoke strong emotions. Because if you listen carefully
to what the white liberal woman is doing this woman
who virtue signals all the time, she does not love
that person. She does not consider them a child of God.
She does not honor or respect them. If she did,
she wouldn't pay the low wages. She wants cheap labor
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because it makes her life better. So for her to
ball and cry at some point on behalf of the
aggrieved illegal alien is disingenuous. And so from that perspective,
I'm speaking to her.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Action and not the illegal alien. Does that make sense?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
That does make sense. A free labor or cheap labor
is one of the essential threats of capitalism.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Now, Loretta, don't go communist on me. We're gonna air
hug this out. Thank you for calling. You're a sweetheart.
I adore you.
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
So Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
The US is the first time in the history of
the world where a government.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Was organized with a constitution.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Laying out the rules that the individual was supreme and dominant.
And that is what led to the US becoming the
greatest country ever because it unleashed people to be the
best they could be, unlike it had ever happened. That's
American exceptionalism.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Our resolve is unbroken and our purpose is unchanged to
delivery government that serves the American people better than ever before.
To win with every single facet. We're gonna win so much.
You may even get tired of winning. And you say, please, please,
it's too much winning.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
We can't take.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
It anymore, mister President, it's too much, And I'll say, no,
it isn't.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
We have to keep winning. We have to win more.
We're gonna win more.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
We're gonna win so much.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You never didn't think that it ever would have happened again, teacher.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
You never didn't think that would ever get together again
with the.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Brand, would be allowed again.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
You never did think that it ever would happen again.
Speaker 7 (01:24):
It was a tall proud city, building rocks stronger.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Than oceans, wind swept, god.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
Blessed and teeming with people of all kinds living in
harmony and peace. A city with pree ports that hunged
with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be
city walls, the walls had doors, and the doors were
open to anyone with the wills and.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
The heart to get here. That's how I saw it
and see it still.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
And we will restore and renovate our nations once great cities,
making them safe, clean.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And beautiful again.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
And that includes our nation capital.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
You never.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
You never did a thing that would.
Speaker 7 (02:06):
Never get together again.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Again.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Under my plan, incomes will skyrocket, inflation will vanish completely,
jobs will come roaring back, and the middle class will
prosper like never ever before.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
And we're going to do it very rapidly.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I will bring back the American dream. Your expectations are
not big enough, not big enough. It's time to start
expecting and demanding the best leadership in the world. Leadership
that is bold, dynamic, relentless, and fearless.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
We can do that.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
We are Americans.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Ambition is our heritage, Greatness is our birthright.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
And you.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Together again again.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
With great humility.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I am asking you to be excited about the future
of our country.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Be excited, Be excited.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
June nineteenth, famously known as June teenth or June teenth.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We study the Civil War.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And the moments of that era as if they're tidy
and clean. Civil war started, civil War ended, everything went along.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It's not how it happened, not at all.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
April, sorry, I believe it was January first, eighteen sixty three,
Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. Milton Friedman has a
chapter in Free to Choose where he talks about the
institution of slavery as being a point on a continuum
of governments restricting the rights of people in so many ways,
(04:20):
the right of movement. Throughout history, there have been restrictions
on the right of movement, the right of marriage. You
can't marry this person. Some communities were not allowed to
marry at all. They didn't exist. In India, you had
the class system, and you had one group called the Hutgons,
the untouchables, untouchable not like elliot ness, but untouchable, as in,
(04:43):
don't touch them, they are dirty, they are beneath humanity
had restrictions as to what languages could be spoken, all
sorts of political restrictions, legal restrictions, economic restrictions. The greatest
restriction you can make is to take away absolute freedom
(05:06):
and subjugate a human being. It is evil and it
is awful. Now we know it was not limited to
the United States. We know that it preceded the colonization
of the United States. It's an evil institution that speaks
to the evil within mankind and what happens unchecked. April
(05:30):
January first, eighteen sixty three Emancipation Proclamation. On April ninth,
eighteen sixty five, the Confederates abandoned Richmond at the Battle
of Appomatox Courthouse, and Robert E. Lee would, with great
dignity meet Union General Ulysses S.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Grant with great grace? Did Grant do this?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And the two of them would in this meeting, Grant
would accept General Lee's surrender. Many people mark that as
the end of the Civil War, but technically it was not.
Lee did not have the power to surrender for the Confederacy.
He was not Jefferson Davis. He was not the man
(06:20):
over this confederation of states that had broken away from
the Union. He was over a command of the Virginia
forces the finest fighting forces supposedly in all the land.
So it was not until August twentieth, eighteen sixty six,
that Abraham Lincoln's successor, Lincoln, having been assassinated Andrew Johnson,
(06:44):
would declare the war was over.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
We, in a neat and tidy.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Way, study the end of the Civil War as being
eighteen sixty five, because effectively, essentially April ninth, eighteen sixty five,
marked the end of the fighting in the most significant manner.
But as you can imagine, they didn't have a website
or a push text or any other means by which
(07:11):
to tell the people from New York down to Florida
and over to Texas, Hey, there's no reason to fight
any longer. It's like the Japanese man that goes wandering
in many years later and thinks that the war is
still going on and finds out that decades of his
life have been lost in hiding when the war had
(07:33):
been completed many many years before.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
We will talk about Juneteenth in just a moment.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Juneteenth is also a special day in my life because
on nineteenth in nineteen sixty seven, on June tenth, my
brother Christopher Wayne Berry was born, and on Juneteenth, nineteen
ninety two, I was wed to my betrothed Nandita vencatationwardin Berry,
making this our thirty third wedding anniversary, thirty six years together. Wow,
(08:08):
that is amazing. That is something to be proud of,
it really is. But Ramone, Ramone is bothered that Juneteenth
is now a federal holiday.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
He's sore over it. But it has nothing to do
with black people. I'll explain to with the Michael Berry.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Ill, Ramone seems very affable and happy, go lucky if
you meet him, you know, maybe even jolly. You think
of Ramone as sort of jolly. But Ramone seeds with resentment.
(08:56):
I think Eddie put a lot of that to rest
with his with his watch. I think the watch was
a big issue, but there is still there's still the remnants.
I think we bunk or busted that one pretty well.
And I'll tell you why. Because over the years, the
programming floor, which is the people who are on air
(09:17):
and their production team, was separate. We were on five
and sales was on four, and three was the public floor.
So that was where you would come a lot of
stations do giveaways if you came, if you want tickets,
you would come there if you came to a meeting.
There were conference rooms on that floor. The promotions department
(09:38):
that does you know, live broadcasts out of event they do.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
They coordinate all those things from there and.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
HR and all that was on three four was all
sales and we were on five. And so in twenty
twenty one, when Joe Biden declared June tenth the national holiday,
it was added to the days of Moan's resentment. Because
up until a couple of years ago, my theory was
my dad never was misworking.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
We ain't missing work, and we're going to work through everything.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So every national holiday, other than say Christmas Thanksgiving, we
worked and we would be the only people in the building.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And so I've not only.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
That the salesforce would leave, you know, at lunch today
before go out with some clients, have drinks and go
and here we were good.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Don't good, don't good?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Don't the lowest paid people in the building working on
this holiday. And as you can imagine, the much maligned
Ramone bore resentment at this, years after years after years.
So June teenth, representing the day that the general Orders
were brought to Galveston, General Order number three from Union
(10:49):
Major General Gordon Granger on June tenth, eighteen sixty five,
in Galveston, Texas, said, the people of Texas are informed that,
in accordance with a proclamation from the Executive of the
United States, all slaves are free. Now, what made this
interesting was the declaration had been issued January first, eighteen
(11:09):
sixty three, so we're two and a half years later,
but the Civil War was still raging. It was not,
as we mentioned, until a few months before this proclamation,
this executive order being read General Order number three. That
June teenth became the day of the announcement in the
State of Texas of freedom and as we know, freedom
(11:36):
to choose, freedom to live, freedom to marry, freedom to move,
freedom to conduct transact commerce. These are freedoms that are
God given. They are natural law. No man should be restricted.
You come into this world with birthrights, natural rights given
(11:59):
by God. This is important to understand as part of
our political philosophy. Government does not give you natural rights.
You are born free as a man with them. Government
can only protect them or take them away. It's important
to understand our mindset in the Judeo Christian world. This
(12:23):
the Institution of slavery was the ultimate restriction of a
man's freedom, and that's why it had to be abolished,
and that's why it was a scourge on this nation
from the very beginning. We see the restrictions on rights
to this very day, and we stand against him consistently.
(12:43):
So Ramon has been sore over this issue, and we
told him we're tired of hearing you complain about the
fact that you have to you have to work while
nobody else in the building is working, even though we
don't work in the building anymore. So he did what
you're supposed to do when you're a creative sort. He
create something for you. And here is Ramone's Catharsis and
(13:03):
we'll take calls after that.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Hey, it's Trumbold.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
You know what today is. It's a company holiday. More importantly,
it's a federal holiday, which means the benks are closed,
the post office is dark, and half of corporate America's
at home pretending to honor it while actually just sleeping
in doom, scrolling and heating up leftover brisket at ten am.
It's Juneteenth. Now, look, don't get it twisted. It's important.
(13:29):
Texas had it right before the Feds even knew how
to spell it. But let's be real, most folks didn't
know what Juneteenth was until like ten minutes ago. Now
it's a federal holiday, complete with HR mandated slack messages
and a branded email from bed, Bath and Beyond. And
yet you know what isn't a holiday? D Day not
(13:50):
a holiday. September eleventh, still clocking in election day. Nah,
we'd hate for people to have time to vote the
Monday after the Super Bowl. Eah, we want you back
at your desk, hungover, dehydrated it and filled with regret.
Just like America intended daylight saving time. Man, we still
(14:10):
let the government steal an hour of sleep from us
twice a year and don't even get a nap and return. Hey,
the Juneteenth, take the day, Fire up the grill, post
something you googled fifteen minutes ago, and act like you
didn't just learn about it from a company white email
sent by a guy named Todd in HR. Look, I'm
(14:30):
not anti holiday, I'm pro holiday. I'm just saying when
the irs gets the day off and I'm still working,
we've got a serious problem.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
It's a federal holiday.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
The office, Like Sordim Todd from HR send a note.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Don't fog get.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
To honor him.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Thanks. Oh the mails asleep, the flag emojis fly. But
Monday after Super Bowl we still work. Explain that God
take the day grill away? Great and you new the
(15:23):
reason scroll a fact.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Then take a napple it's federal NAPSI.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
But don't worry. We'll still be here, slave and over
a hot mic.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm not sure how that improves the lives of anybody
black other than our listeners.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But here we are.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
We shall open the phone calls, the phone lines, but
only to black folks on anything about any of this
that you'd like to discuss.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Seven three.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Day, just in here listening, very.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Beaut was ed ed. You're on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Go ahead, sir, Well, Michael, if you would explained to
people about Friedman's town in every large.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
City, you'll see one. You know what it is.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
The other thing is about how the shipping industry to
move goods from the North to the South and south
to the North was controlled, and there were laws written
and the South was getting just screwed to the wall
on shipping. That was also a contributing factor to the
(16:40):
Civil War. In fact, those laws are still on the books.
When they had a big storm in Puerto Rico about
ten years ago, a French ship called good supplies for
the people to Puerto Rico. They wouldn't let him unload
because it was a foreign ship. This foreign chips are
(17:02):
still banned from hauling goods in America from north to
south and stuff. Just thought people might want to know
some of those things.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know, two things can be true at the same time.
One of them, that slavery is evil is contrary everything
we hold here. The restriction in freedom to any individual.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Is evil and should be opposed.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's as awful as can be and for a freedom
loving people, and throughout history Americans have been so it
is inconsistent with our core values. The American economy of
the eighteen sixties, and this had been for quite some time,
(18:06):
needed cheap labor in agriculture, and so the cheapest labor.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Was free.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Still had to feed, clothe, purchase all the things that
go into this, but it was the cheapest labor. It
became part of the economic model. But just as you're
hearing white liberals say today, if you deport the illegal
aliens and we have to comply with America's labor laws,
(18:37):
then we won't have anyone. We won't have a slave,
an underpaid person without any rights, being able to cook, clean, mow, nurse,
do all the things, and those have made us very comfortable.
That is no different than the plantation owner with a
large agricultural interest.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It was as evil as it was.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It was an economic undertaking, and that was how the
plantation owner viewed it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That doesn't make it right, It doesn't make it kind
or generous. It wasn't.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
It was an economic model based in an evil that
is contrary to our beliefs of freedom.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Simple, simple as that.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It is also the case that out of that evil
that was conducted by a tiny percentage of people plantation owners,
a number of people fought for a number of different reasons.
It's a complex and nuanced conflict. And yet, as with
most other things, if you question to the extent to
(19:48):
which we should be involved in the Israel Iran battle,
then you are an anti Semite. If you question whether
we should bust kids across town for two hours to
achieve some white liberal dream of this percentage and this percentage, then.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You're a racist.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
If you question whether boys should be able to go
into girls' locker rooms. Just because they announce yesterday that
they're a girl, then you're transphobic.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
All of these things are the ways that.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Not very smart people discuss things because it's easier for them.
Nuance and complexity are too much for their little brains.
Or it's the way people describe it because they are
very smart and they understand that if you can back
someone into a corner, then you can't have a reasonable conversation.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I love I love the conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I love the idea of sharing different opinions that may
not line up, and neither one of us has.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
To agree to conclude the discussion.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But it's fun and sharpens iron it makes you think,
and we can all have different perspectives. That's a glorious thing. Loretta,
you share the first name of my late mother. Welcome
to the program.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Well, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
What you got?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Are you able to hear me? Okay, great, yes, sir. Well,
I do think it's that it's great that we're able
to have conversations and just unpacked different ideas and not
necessarily arise at the same conclusion. I'm thinking that it's
very interesting that you would compare immigrants, which would be
(21:42):
cheap labor to the institution of slavery of which my
family were dissentence of.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I think that's very, very interesting.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
It's similar to the going trend of instead of referring
to African Americans broadly in the past that were restricted
quote unquote as slaves, kind of using a broader brush
(22:14):
and comparing them to let's say, the indentured servants of Ireland.
I'm just thinking that it's it's very interesting. But the
reason I outreached you, guys was because I heard Ramone's
little little skit that you played, and I thought it
was very very entertaining, especially when he was, you know, saying, well, no,
(22:38):
I'm not a dance to federal holiday, but hey, what about.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Election Day?
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Or what about the day after the super Bowl? Okay,
election Day definitely a thumbs up. The day after the
super Bowl not so sure.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Well, you know, I think it's the day of greatest
drunkenness other than maybe January first.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
It's a fair point. I'm not a big holiday guy.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
So you know, Ramone comes at this as a guy
who would like a holiday a week, Let's be very
clear on that.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
And so he comes at this less of a racial
issue and.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
More of a well, if we're going to start naming holidays,
Juneteenth as a national holiday was instituted under Joe Biden
in twenty twenty one. What's interesting about that is, like
most white liberals, I don't think anybody.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Believes that Joe Biden had a deep, abiding.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Love for black people and wanted to show his consistency
with the cause and his understanding of historical suffering. He
treats black people as a political pawn, his corn pop story,
which is probably all made up, that he's the hero
of that you're not black if you don't vote for me,
And I think that's consistent with all of that, and that's.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
What really feels hate Aboutchael. I'm talk at ten o'clock this.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Morning with the founder of turtle Box, and the genesis
of that conversation is one day, I just noticed that
there was a speaker called turtle Box, a Bluetooth speaker
and had kind of a distinctive logo, very simple, almost
(24:33):
a throwback font. And let's say I notice it on
a billboard. I go into a Republic boot company and
I noticed they sell them, which is interesting because they
do boots and now they expand a hats in custom
suits and leather goods. I thought, oh, but then there's
(24:54):
that there's that turtle box. There's one sitting there you
can buy. And then I would be at different places
and I noticed Turtleboxing. There comes a point where you
notice that you've been seeing something for a while that's
new to you and you don't know when you first
saw it. Was turtle Box part of my childhood or
(25:16):
did I just discover it three months ago?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And there is this bias.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You know, when you go by a white Chevy silver Dorado,
white Chevy Silverado, you start noticing every white Chevy Silverado,
or when your kid goes to a school, you start
noticing how many times that school's name comes up.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
It's this It heightens an awareness.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
So I wanted to know the story behind Turtlebox, so
I put the word out yesterday. And because I found
out it's a Houston brand and it's apparently four dudes
just can of for frat boys or fishing buddies or
hunting buddies or high school buddies or who knows what
who started this business? And I thought, well, that seemed
kind of cool. So I put the word out and
as I understand it. The kind of driving force is
(26:03):
a fellow named Will Bradley, And several folks said, oh,
Will Bradley's a friend, and so I think Jim Mudd
has connected with him, and we'll talk to him at
ten o'clock this morning. Loretta, I wanted to hold you over, Loretta. Yes,
I wanted to hold you over, because how.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Old are you? I'm fifty four, fifty four. You have
a wonderful voice for radio.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
You you strike me as a person. This is how
I imagine a number of people that I only got
to know at a.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Much older age. A friend of mine named Marvin Hamilton,
for instance.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
And now Marvin is I think one hundred and thirty
years old and still going strong.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
He's much older.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And he went back in his seventies and got his.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Degree which he'd never finished.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And then he just, what the heck, I'm enjoying this,
got a master's degree. He may be doing his PhD now.
Pretty amazing man. And I used to sit with Marvin.
I called him the old man at the sea. Everybody
would show up. Marvin had a car wash. He was retired.
He was a postmaster general. He's a postmaster of one
of the biggest postal plants, postal stations in the greater
(27:19):
Houston area, and he'd raised his kids as a single dad,
and he's just one of these guys that everybody respected
and honored. And you would go and he would wash
your car, which was kind of like Jesus washing the
feet of his disciples. It was subjugating himself. And so
here was this very wise man. But I always imagined
studying the civil rights movement and studying race relations in
(27:42):
this country, and you come across this type of person
who's a very strong person, who may not like who
you are, what you stand for, the job they've been given,
the way you treat them, the terms you use, or
any number of other things. And this is not only
limited to race. But I always imagine this being the
case that there were people who could smile and go
(28:03):
about their day but not approve in any way, shape
or form of who you are and what you do,
and you might not even notice it. And that's a
sign of great strength, not a sign of weakness. So
I want to go back to something you said in
a very pleasant way, with a sort of forced smile,
that it's very interesting that I compare slavery to the
(28:24):
modern illegal alien. But I don't think you meant interesting.
I think you meant troubling, and I want you to concerning,
and I want I want you to explain that you deserve.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
That excellent interpretation. Thank you for your compliment. Yes, I
did mean interesting in the sense that it is concerning,
as slavery was not a voluntary institution. It was involunteering.
(28:55):
The very close that will warn the food that was eden,
whether or not medical care was rendered or was held,
whom it is, whomever it is you were made to
marry or quote unquote breed with your very life was
determined by the planter or the master, very very different
(29:25):
from the life of an immigrant. People are coming to America.
While would they not want to come to America, the
greatest country on this earth, they come voluntarily, They come willingly,
they come and drove. They're here because they desire to
be here, they desire the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So let me speak very different from slavery. No, in
that sense it is.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
This is a perfect example of so many things where
two people look at something from very different perspectives. I
read in a literary review once years ago that if
you read Huckleberry Finn three times in your life as
a child, as a college student, and as a senior adult,
(30:15):
that you will identify with three different characters in the
same novel, and you are the same person. So this
is a perfect example of how two people could look
at the same issue from very different perspectives and neither
is necessarily wrong. You are saying, and rightfully so, that
illegal immigration is not slavery because the slave didn't choose
(30:38):
to enter the institution. The illegal alien chooses to come
to this country and do these jobs for these people.
No one puts a gun to their head. They're not
in shackles, which is true. My position is not did
the illegal alien choose this form of slavery. My position
(30:59):
is the white liberal woman wants her slave, just as
the plantation owner wanted their slave. And when you listen
to white liberal women talk about how difficult life will
be if they no longer have their I'll use the
word slave.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It's not completely accurate. And yes, it is intended to provoke.
It is intended to inflame. It is intended.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Persuasively to evoke strong emotions. Because if you listen carefully
to what the white liberal woman is doing this woman
who virtue signals all the time, she does not love
that person. She does not consider them a child of God.
She does not honor or respect them. If she did,
she wouldn't pay the low wages. She wants cheap labor
(31:46):
because it makes her life better. So for her to
ball and cry at some point on behalf of the
aggrieved illegal alien is disingenuous. And so from that perspective,
I'm speaking to her.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Action and not the illegal alien. Does that make sense?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
That does make sense. A free labor or cheap labor
is one of the essential threats of capitalism.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Now, Loretta, don't go communist on me. We're gonna air
hug this out. Thank you for calling. You're a sweetheart.
I adore you.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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