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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael very show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Harley below is the GM of Hill Country Patriot, our
affiliate in Currville. He's also the morning show host. We
waited on him to finish his morning show to have
him on the show today, and they are the anchor
of Kurrville and you can imagine what they're dealing with
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right now.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Harley.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Welcome to the program sir.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Thank you Michael, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
And some been a busy.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Time since fourth of July start.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I can only imagine some folks may remember Harley. He
was with kilt KSBJ and k L d E from
almost the entirety of the eighties.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So welcome to your home audience. Harley.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Tell me when you realized there was a real problem
about what time is that Friday, Friday through the night
Saturday morning, and then kind of take us through the
whirlwind that has been your life since then.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Okay, so Friday morning I got up to go on
the air. Now, where I live in the Old Country,
you have a lot of low water crossings. I have
about seven of them, and I drive through a neighbor's
ranch to get to work, and so it's a rural area.
And when I got to the first low water crossing
and it was much higher than I expected. I knew
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it had been raining through the night, but we didn't
know we were getting that kind of rain. It didn't
sound like it. So I had to stay. I couldn't
get into town, so I had to remote in and
run things from here. The same thing happened for my
news lady ac Can too. She had to remote in.
She lives in the Comfort area. She couldn't get out.
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So now we're trying to run a morning show and
keep people updated and do it remotely. So thank god
for technology. And then we had a technical problem because
something went down, and it was just it was one
thing after another, and then we found out I don't
know what time, it's all kind of a blur what time.
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We found out that the flooding was bad enough that
people got trapped in it, and then that was the
focus of the rest of the day and since then.
So the death count last report last night was sixty eight,
a total of around eighty for the entire from all
the flooding in our area. So national news you'll hear
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them reporting. I think eighty right now, and it's for
us here. I spoke with my daughter yesterday. She had
been out and doing search and rescue. She has experience
with us, so she went out and was just talking
about how there are some people they want to help,
they don't know what to do. They show up there
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and flip flops and shorts and they got to be
sent back home. So there's plenty of people like that
that can make sandwiches or distribute food or that kind
of thing. But if you actually know how to run
a chainsaw, if you've ever done search and rescue before,
then you can be put to And if you have
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a skid steer or anything like that, then they have
jobs for you. But the look you lose and that
sort of thing, that's not helpful. So there's been a
little of that because people are naturally curious. They want
to go out and look and see what the damage
has been. I was driving down a road in town yesterday,
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just going across town. I wasn't doing the look and
for damage, you can't avoid it. But I see a
cow and you know, right there in a neighborhood that
got swept up and it's laying in the sun. Bloating,
and so you find odd objects all over the place
that have swept up by the river, and it's gotten
higher than I've ever seen. There are huge cypress trees
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here all along the river in the Hill Country. You
know that, Michael, you've spent time here. They're stripped down
like their cedar posts, getting ready to be used. So
it's not like anything I've ever seen. And that you know,
we've been here a long time. All of our kids
are raised here, and so it's unlike anything we've seen.
The campers most of those children are from out of
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town and out of state, many of them, so we
don't know any of them. But there are a lot
of locals that were killed too. And there's one lady
that's just gone around taking pictures of vehicles in trees
and up on the bank and getting license plates so
she can post those in, many of them out of state.
So people come to the Hill Country from all over
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for recreation on our river. This river is a blessing
and a curse at times. There are two organizations I
wanted to mention, Michael, that are being people are wondering
how can I help. From Houston, there's the Community Foundation
of the Texas Hill Country. That's a reliable local group
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that's been around a long time, and they will make
sure that the money is distributed properly in the community.
And there's another one. This one's sad. It's a Transformation
Church and they're helping with funeral expenses. So there's going
to be funerals there have been. One of the grim
realities of all this is that there are refrigerator trucks
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that have had to come in at the funeral homes.
So there's going to be a lot of funerals. Some
of them will be back home where these children are from,
some of them will be here local. So the Transformation
Church online, you look, you go to find Transformation Church
and then there's a donation place there for funeral expenses.
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And the other one, again is Community Foundation of the
Texas Hill Country. I think our friends Clan Buck have
posted that one too on their website.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So I did see.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Hopefully that'll help. Yeah, and I really appreciate you having
me on to talk about this, and we love you
here by the way, Michael.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Harley bulou is Hill Country Patriot Radio Station our home
in the Hill Country. Harley, I got about a minute
in this segment. I'm hoping you'll stay around with me.
I know you just finished a show and I know
you're exhausted, but let's talk about the recovery in that community,
because when all this is done, businesses have been devastated.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot to be done. It starts
with shoveling out.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
My it's I saw well.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I don't know how far you are from the Hunt store,
but apparently it's quite a beacon in that region. And
there was a fellow that he just comes there every
day and I don't know if I say the only
thing he's got right there in Hunt, but he was
emotionally devastated over this kind of connection of the community.
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And it is gone, I mean the whole side of
the building. Obviously, the human toll is much more prescient
and poignant right now, but long term, the effects on
the community, it is, it is going to be dramatic.
You know, it's amazing we made it through Harvey, and
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I couldn't imagine that we did at the time. We
were swept out of our house, but there was so
much devastation and if you drive around to day most
parts of Houston, you wouldn't know it ever happened. We
are a resilient people, that is for sure. We are
a very very resilient people. Cary, if you can hold
with me for just a moment, I'd like to keep
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you for one more segment. Harley Blue is a morning
show host general manager of Hill Country Patriot, our affiliate
in Kerrville.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Texas, The Michael Berry Show Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Harley Blue is the voice of Hill Country Patriot, our
affiliate in Kerrville.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And obviously at ground zero for what all is going.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
On, Harley just watching. I mean, my primary connection to
this was all the kids of families that we know
here in Houston that we're at KMP Mystick and Kent
Hunt and have such a connection there. But what I
have not heard as much about is the local communities. Nderstand,
most of the loss of life and missing persons are
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related to the KMP.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
But what is the local toll?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
We don't even know, We're not sure. I talked to
a friend of mine, Rob Nicky, today, and he was
saying that he had they had a family friend that
had died in it. He you know, we don't talk
about names on the air. If the rest of the
family hadn't been notified. So I don't know Michael, to
be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Is he part of the family that does.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
That does ponds and the fishes.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
And well, he's the executive director of the Texas Public
Policy Foundation. He's from here, so I talked to him
every Monday. Okay, so it was today. It was less
about Texas politics, all about Kirk County and him growing
up here. And you mentioned the Hunt Store earlier. The
Hunt Store and the Methodist Church, the Hunt Methodist Church
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are really the two touchstones for that community. It's pretty
tight knit community. There are a lot of people that
come here from Houston, a lot of them, and they
have weekend home summer homes. But the people that are
there all year long, they gather at the Hunt Store
and things are you know, the school and the Methodist Church.
That's about in the volunteer fire department. So they're taking
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care of each other, but honestly they're cut off from everybody.
The way to get to them is Highway thirty nine
through Kerrville, Ingram and on up and DPS is not
letting anybody in if you don't have if you don't
reside there, or have emergency equipment or need to be there,
so they're cut off from everyone, but you know, they
kind of live that way anyway, so they're okay because
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they're far enough out they depend on each other. And
Hunt Store has been a landmark for years. It's one
of those kind of places when you're in the area,
you go buy and see it and tell people you've
been into Hunt Store, right and it's you know, it's
gone out. It may not be anything but the chimney later.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Wow, the way people are good. Go ahead, No, no,
you got it.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I was going to say that downtown. I was downtown
Saturday night and it was just it was quiet. There
was a lot of sadness hanging in the air. There's
a little ice cream shop there that hadn't been there long,
and I went in. There's a young couple there. They
had been the streets blocked off. They brought in the
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buses for the reunification with parents and their children. Those
folks that owned that little ice cream parlor, they got
their selves down there at six o'clock in the morning
and make sure they had stuff baked and they're ready
to eat and coffee for those families. And that's the
kind of attitude everybody's had in this community. Nobody in
a uniform from Comal County or Kendall County or Harris
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County or anyplace else is going to pay for their
meal in a restaurant. That's the restaurant policy. And if
somebody slips past you, somebody, some locals are going to
buy your meal. That's the way it's it's working here.
So if even the people that can't go out and
comb the river banks and look and search or cut
down trees, they're helping to pay for things. Our local
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Gibson stores stayed late, stayed open late the other night
just so people could come in there and sit on
the camping chairs if they needed to wow. So that's
the way things are going here.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
One of the things that's been talked about is that
the joy of the camp is you don't have your
cell phone. Connect with human beings, connect with nature, pray,
read your Bible, interact. But I've also read that the
area is not particularly, that that's not something that is
a focus, and that telecommunication there is difficult.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So that's made it a little.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Harder as well, And maybe by design, people don't want
to be connected by a cell phone at all times.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Your thoughts on the right.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Well, cell phone connections are difficult, you know. I found
a suburban upside down in a creek one time, and
I had to go up on top of a hill
to make my nine to one one call. You can't
just and that was not in this incident, that was
something else, unrelated. But you can't just make a sell
from where you're standing. You've got to get Everybody around
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here knows which hill you go to. If you live
in that area, you know how far up the hill
you've got to go to get a cell signal. In
some places you can. There's no such thing as DSL
where I live, so there's no Internet where I live.
So there's a lot of people out here like that.
And it is a good place, as you say, to
come if you want to get away from all of that,
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But if you need to stay connected, it's it's not
easy the people. When I was a county commissioner, Michael,
we discussed having an early alert system in the river
along up in the area that flooded, because it's always
been needed, and the real problem the hold back there
was that we didn't have enough cell towers that would
reach those areas, so that idea was scrap. If we
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had that, if we had good sell service and good
Wi Fi, we might could you know, connect with the
higher tech methods that are you know, in place in
some places. And then there's the other the expense of it.
In a county like ours, we have a low population
and don't have a big budget. I think that'll change
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with this. I think I don't know what will come
of it. I shudder to think that the quote best
minds are going to be put on this, because then
there's God only knows what's going to happen, what kind
of government waste we might get going into an alert system.
You know, they always say that a camel is a
horse designed by committee, So I fear that that's that
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maybe what happens at the end of this. But if
we can get any early alert system for the future,
that give people some peace of mind here. So we're
pulling together for the time being. There's a lot of
cleanup people are needed with shovels and brooms and clorox
and that sort of stuff. Even if you can't go
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out and search and you don't have a chainsaw, there's
plenty for people to do. Oh, there's one more. The
Riverside Church of Christ on Harper Road in Kerrville has everything,
and I mean everything. These people have done a wonderful job.
They just need to know who needs it. They've got
all this stuff out. They'll get you a new house
full of furniture if your house is still there.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Wow, it's amazing what you see in a moment like this.
It's amazing. You see the real You see the real
community leaders at a time like this who may not
necessarily be an elected office. Harley Blue, thank you very much,
Hill Country Patriot. We appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Thank you. Michael.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
That is our affiliate in the Hill Country, and it's
always fun to get emails.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
From that area. And how often it is somebody from
Houston who has.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Relocated for a better quality of life.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
The Michael Berry Show, Michael Berry.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Show, Low Toil, No Danger. There is a certain twisted
perversion to people trying to use the deaths of little
girls for their political arguments. Oh, the Trump budget cut
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out the NWS. We don't have a weather service anymore.
That's not true, Avery to Moscow. A weatherman in the
area said, I'll all say, is this a National weather
Service issued a floodwatch for Kerr County more than twelve
hours ahead of the catastrophic flood. A flash flood warning
was issued for Hunt and Ingram three hours before the
Guadaloupe started to climb. They did their job, and they
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did it well. I'm not an expert on the issue,
but it's not just meteorologists who make decisions like this,
it's policymakers.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It's just people who review the facts.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And I will say this, I have reviewed for forty
eight hours and I feel comfortable saying there is no
blame to be placed on the National Weather Service. They
did their job as well as could be done, and
there is no blame to be placed on the directors
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of the children's camps. I'll start with the NWS and
the weather alerts. There was a twelve hours out and
three hours out. There were twelve hour out and three
hour out alerts, and they were clear. They said things
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like campers, they said things like Kerr. That doesn't mean.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Let me ask you this. If you go back to.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Katrina, the ninth ward was wiped out and they asked people,
why didn't you leave? And they said, because they've been
telling us this was going to happen so many times.
We didn't think it was going to happen, and it
didn't happen. The levee broke, You couldn't have planned on
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the levee breaking. Then you come to Hurricane Harvey, Well,
why didn't everybody get out of town? Why was anybody
left to be rescued? Because that weather system was supposed
to go across to go from was it Port Lava
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or Port O'Connor supposed to go across Houston and continue
eastward and heavy rainfall.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
That was all we were supposed to have. And then
it stalled.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And when it stalled, it dumped a lot of rain,
and it was not expected that it would stall. So
there is always a Monday morning quarterback. And I am
a big believer in accountability. You don't just weep things
under and say everybody did the best they could do.
But there are times where everybody does do both the
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best they can do. Their attentive, they're accountable, they were competent,
they followed protocols, and bad things still happen. And from
what I have seen and the trustworthy voices who have
spoken on the issue, I feel very comfortable with that.
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As for Dick Eastland at Camp Mystic.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I don't know. I mean, I guess you could argue
he should have moved the girls.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
How many of these flood warnings do you get over
the years?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
This one.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
By the time it was issued, everybody gone to bed.
It happened to be the middle of the night. If
this whole thing happens at two o'clock in the afternoon,
it's very likely a different result and they have time
to make better plans for evacuation. It's also the case
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that it rose twenty six feet in forty five minutes.
Am I getting that number right? Let's see if I
can find that it rose at a rate that is unfathomable,
absolutely unfathomable that water could.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Raise this fastness.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
See the National Weather This is according to ap National
Weather Service office in New Bronfels, which delivers forecasts for
Austin San Antonio's surrounding areas, had extra staff on duty
during the storms. Where the office would typically have two
forecasters on duty during clear weather, they had up to
five on staff. There were extra people in here that night,
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and that's typical in every Weather Service office. You staff
up for an event and bring people in on overtime.
And hold people over. I don't like that they're using
fiscal accountability against the Trump administration because anytime you cut
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any waste than anything.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
That ever goes bad, that was your fault.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's not fair, it's not accurate, and it's not well intentioned.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It is not well intentioned.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Let's go to I can't see the name on my screen.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
She was at camp in seventy four, Robert, Robert, you're on,
Michael Berry.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Michael, Yes, sir, Michael, I'm seventy one. In nineteen sixty four,
I would have been, you know, ten or so eleven.
So I don't recall all the things I recall, but
I do know that Luther Graham at the Camp La Hunter,
which is right at Hunt, called us all out in
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the middle of the night in a rainstorm and lightning,
and said meet at the flagpole in ten minutes, bring
your raincoach, your deloshes in your flashlight. So about one
hundred and fifty boys and counselors met there, and in
ten minutes we walked up the mountain to the gun
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range where there was a little bit of a shelter.
The next morning, when the light came up, we could
see that we had lost two cabins, so I think
I recall that it rose twenty one feet, but not
in forty five minutes. My point of all this is,
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I think I have to believe that the sheriff called
all of us on all of the campsites on the
landlines and said move. This whole business of higher technology
may be god awful blame and it hurts my heart. Anyway, Michael,
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those girls deserve all of our prayers.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's it, all right, thank you, mama. It is our
It's just a tough times, no way.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I saying that we've lived through some pretty awful things
in the Houston community and in Central Texas before we
will get through this.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But man, is to the Michael Berry Show, Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Let your soul and spirit flat.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
One of the stories that got me is a woman
telling the story of her fiance who smashed out the
window of the house they were in to get them
out and get them up on to the roof, and
in so doing severed an artery and he would bleed
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to death. Ah, Man, I mean damned if you do.
The story from kh ou.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Well, the water, which you can still hear, came in
extremely quickly and trees were snapped like toothpicks. Families saying
they really didn't have much time to realize what was
going on. That includes Christina Wilson and her fiance Julian Ryan.
They were at their home in Ingram, about fifteen minutes
from Kerbille, when they say everything happened all at once.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
He got a hero, and that one ever don I'm
noticed through tears and shuck.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
The family of twenty seven year old Julian Ryan tells
us the father, brother, and fiance died a hero. In
the early Friday morning hours, floodwater suddenly swelled into the
hole and he shared with his fiance and mother and
Ingram close to the Guandluque.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
River, and it just started pouring in. We had to
fight the door to get it closed just so that
too much didn't come in, and we ran back to
the room. We started calling nine to one one.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Julian's fiance, Christina Wilson says, after twenty minutes, the water
was up to their knees. Julian punching open a window
to try and get her, their children and his mother
to the roof.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
It severed his artery and his arm almost cut it
clean off.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Christina says they kept calling nine to one one, but
no one came in time to save him.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
By six o'clock, my husband was dead. He had lost
all of it, all all his blood. He looked at
me and the kids and my mother in law.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
He was sorry, I'm not going to make it out
of y'all.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Christina says she found her fiance after the water receded,
but his body wasn't recovered for hours. Now, loved ones,
remember the man they call a hero.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
He was the hero out of this story.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Especially when they told him my brother's dying. I should
have went to him first. That's how I say that.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
He's just the kindest person I've ever met in my life,
and I'll will forever.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Look him no matter what.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
The four stand together say. More needs to be implemented
to never let this happen again.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
All four of you.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Do you guys think that flood sirens would have saved
lives in this situation?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Most likely? Yes, yes, they would have been I would
have been worried. What's that noise? What's that noise?
Speaker 8 (27:00):
We would have least we want to go anywhere else?
We have so many places we could have gone that
were saved.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
That story. Just man ksat TV had the story of
two young brothers.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
My wife and I watched this about five times peers
and rough and boy talking about how they escaped the
waters after their cabin at Camp Lahunta in Hunt was flooded.
And I'm sure most of you know this, but Camp
Mystic is a girls camp. Camp La Hunt is a
boys camp. You had families. In fact, there were two
fourteen year old twins. He's a boy, she's a girl.
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She was at Mystic, he was at Lahunta. So you
have families because they're in that area that put the
girls here and the boys there. And apparently that's that's uh.
They're both very well attended and long tradition camps.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
But here was the this is a good news story.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
The cabins were flooding, and the walls were like they
they like they breaked out, and all the campers in
those cabins had to go up on the rafters and
they had to wait there until they could swim out.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
And my brother here, he had to swim out of
his cabin.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Really, do you want of mind.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
One moment?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (28:23):
And so you might to swim out of your cabin,
can you tell me about that.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
So the flood started getting bigger and it was going
up to we had bunk beds in our cabins and
it was going up to the top bunk and we
had one choice and we had to swim out of
our cabins.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
What it was like. We woke up at Yeah, we
had to wake up at like four am? Yeah, what'd
you wake up to?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Say? People telling me to wake up?
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Screaming I didn't fall asleep, Like I couldn't sleep because
of the lightning.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, people were screaming that there was a flood. There
was a lot of water on the floor. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
I was the first one awake, and basically one of
the other kids in my cabin. He woke up the counsel,
and the council was like what. And then all the
other campers woke.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Up to that.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
What and they're like, oh my god, we're flooding.
Speaker 10 (29:09):
Yeah, and some cabins like flooded, flooded away, But nobody died.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
No one died. We were thankful for that.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
On the way here, we saw all of like the
other camps destroyed, like obliterated.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
One of the.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I don't know if this is the last rescue. There
were several uh. There were several rescues called in that
turned out not to be accurate, but one of the
last that came in that was that was accurate was
a uh oh, I won't be able to get to
that segment.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I don't have time. I'll get to that in the
next segment. It's a girl.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
She was dragged twenty miles down the Guadeloupe, twenty miles
and they found her clinging to a cypress tree. She
is holding on for dear life, just out of the water,
twenty two years old. She went over four dams to
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get there, so you know, that thing just beat her
to hell. She went over four dams and she managed
to get hold of a tree and pull herself up.
You can only imagine how dehydrated she had to be,
how exhausted she had to be, how frantic she had
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to be. I mean, I guess we all imagine what
we would do to pull ourselves up out of the
water at that moment. Most people can't do one pull up.
One pull up, and that too, if you have time
to get your mind right and you're hydrated, most people
can't do one pull up. And you're not just doing
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a pull up Jonathan Kim. You're having to pull yourself
out of floodwaters that are trying to keep you from
going up. They're trying to keep you going to the side,
and you've got to find some way, somehow to get
yourself up on that limb and then to hold on.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I saw one guy. I don't know if you saw
the chomon.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
He was holding on like a bear, the way a
bear climbs up things on the telephone pole.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Did you see that? My wife said, hello, has he
been doing that? I don't know, probably a long time, she.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Said, I just wouldn't be able to hold on. I
just wouldn't be able to hold on. How long could
you hold on? You're dehydrated. And by the way, it's
not like you got to when all these things started.
You got to get your mind right and stretch, and
you know it's a good.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Time of day.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
You've had your breakfa No, this happened in the middle
of the night. H one fourteen in the morning. You're
roused from bed. You are not at your best. The
will to live, to survive is so powerful, and you
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see it in this in this case, it's incredible. And
the will to to save your child, save your loved one,
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael very show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Harley below is the GM of Hill Country Patriot, our
affiliate in Currville. He's also the morning show host. We
waited on him to finish his morning show to have
him on the show today, and they are the anchor
of Kurrville and you can imagine what they're dealing with
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right now.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Harley.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Welcome to the program sir.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Thank you Michael, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
And some been a busy.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Time since fourth of July start.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I can only imagine some folks may remember Harley. He
was with kilt KSBJ and k L d E from
almost the entirety of the eighties.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So welcome to your home audience. Harley.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Tell me when you realized there was a real problem
about what time is that Friday, Friday through the night
Saturday morning, and then kind of take us through the
whirlwind that has been your life since then.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Okay, so Friday morning I got up to go on
the air. Now, where I live in the Old Country,
you have a lot of low water crossings. I have
about seven of them, and I drive through a neighbor's
ranch to get to work, and so it's a rural area.
And when I got to the first low water crossing
and it was much higher than I expected. I knew
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it had been raining through the night, but we didn't
know we were getting that kind of rain. It didn't
sound like it. So I had to stay. I couldn't
get into town, so I had to remote in and
run things from here. The same thing happened for my
news lady ac Can too. She had to remote in.
She lives in the Comfort area. She couldn't get out.
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So now we're trying to run a morning show and
keep people updated and do it remotely. So thank god
for technology. And then we had a technical problem because
something went down, and it was just it was one
thing after another, and then we found out I don't
know what time, it's all kind of a blur what time.
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We found out that the flooding was bad enough that
people got trapped in it, and then that was the
focus of the rest of the day and since then.
So the death count last report last night was sixty eight,
a total of around eighty for the entire from all
the flooding in our area. So national news you'll hear
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them reporting. I think eighty right now, and it's for
us here. I spoke with my daughter yesterday. She had
been out and doing search and rescue. She has experience
with us, so she went out and was just talking
about how there are some people they want to help,
they don't know what to do. They show up there
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and flip flops and shorts and they got to be
sent back home. So there's plenty of people like that
that can make sandwiches or distribute food or that kind
of thing. But if you actually know how to run
a chainsaw, if you've ever done search and rescue before,
then you can be put to And if you have
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a skid steer or anything like that, then they have
jobs for you. But the look you lose and that
sort of thing, that's not helpful. So there's been a
little of that because people are naturally curious. They want
to go out and look and see what the damage
has been. I was driving down a road in town yesterday,
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just going across town. I wasn't doing the look and
for damage, you can't avoid it. But I see a
cow and you know, right there in a neighborhood that
got swept up and it's laying in the sun. Bloating,
and so you find odd objects all over the place
that have swept up by the river, and it's gotten
higher than I've ever seen. There are huge cypress trees
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here all along the river in the Hill Country. You
know that, Michael, you've spent time here. They're stripped down
like their cedar posts, getting ready to be used. So
it's not like anything I've ever seen. And that you know,
we've been here a long time. All of our kids
are raised here, and so it's unlike anything we've seen.
The campers most of those children are from out of
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town and out of state, many of them, so we
don't know any of them. But there are a lot
of locals that were killed too. And there's one lady
that's just gone around taking pictures of vehicles in trees
and up on the bank and getting license plates so
she can post those in, many of them out of state.
So people come to the Hill Country from all over
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for recreation on our river. This river is a blessing
and a curse at times. There are two organizations I
wanted to mention, Michael, that are being people are wondering
how can I help. From Houston, there's the Community Foundation
of the Texas Hill Country. That's a reliable local group
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that's been around a long time, and they will make
sure that the money is distributed properly in the community.
And there's another one. This one's sad. It's a Transformation
Church and they're helping with funeral expenses. So there's going
to be funerals there have been. One of the grim
realities of all this is that there are refrigerator trucks
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that have had to come in at the funeral homes.
So there's going to be a lot of funerals. Some
of them will be back home where these children are from,
some of them will be here local. So the Transformation
Church online, you look, you go to find Transformation Church
and then there's a donation place there for funeral expenses.
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And the other one, again is Community Foundation of the
Texas Hill Country. I think our friends Clan Buck have
posted that one too on their website.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So I did see.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Hopefully that'll help. Yeah, and I really appreciate you having
me on to talk about this, and we love you
here by the way, Michael.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Harley bulou is Hill Country Patriot Radio Station our home
in the Hill Country. Harley, I got about a minute
in this segment. I'm hoping you'll stay around with me.
I know you just finished a show and I know
you're exhausted, but let's talk about the recovery in that community,
because when all this is done, businesses have been devastated.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot to be done. It starts
with shoveling out.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
My it's I saw well.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I don't know how far you are from the Hunt store,
but apparently it's quite a beacon in that region. And
there was a fellow that he just comes there every
day and I don't know if I say the only
thing he's got right there in Hunt, but he was
emotionally devastated over this kind of connection of the community.
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And it is gone, I mean the whole side of
the building. Obviously, the human toll is much more prescient
and poignant right now, but long term, the effects on
the community, it is, it is going to be dramatic.
You know, it's amazing we made it through Harvey, and
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I couldn't imagine that we did at the time. We
were swept out of our house, but there was so
much devastation and if you drive around to day most
parts of Houston, you wouldn't know it ever happened. We
are a resilient people, that is for sure. We are
a very very resilient people. Cary, if you can hold
with me for just a moment, I'd like to keep
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you for one more segment. Harley Blue is a morning
show host general manager of Hill Country Patriot, our affiliate
in Kerrville.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Texas, The Michael Berry Show Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Harley Blue is the voice of Hill Country Patriot, our
affiliate in Kerrville.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And obviously at ground zero for what all is going.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
On, Harley just watching. I mean, my primary connection to
this was all the kids of families that we know
here in Houston that we're at KMP Mystick and Kent
Hunt and have such a connection there. But what I
have not heard as much about is the local communities. Nderstand,
most of the loss of life and missing persons are
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related to the KMP.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
But what is the local toll?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
We don't even know, We're not sure. I talked to
a friend of mine, Rob Nicky, today, and he was
saying that he had they had a family friend that
had died in it. He you know, we don't talk
about names on the air. If the rest of the
family hadn't been notified. So I don't know Michael, to
be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Is he part of the family that does.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
That does ponds and the fishes.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
And well, he's the executive director of the Texas Public
Policy Foundation. He's from here, so I talked to him
every Monday. Okay, so it was today. It was less
about Texas politics, all about Kirk County and him growing
up here. And you mentioned the Hunt Store earlier. The
Hunt Store and the Methodist Church, the Hunt Methodist Church
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are really the two touchstones for that community. It's pretty
tight knit community. There are a lot of people that
come here from Houston, a lot of them, and they
have weekend home summer homes. But the people that are
there all year long, they gather at the Hunt Store
and things are you know, the school and the Methodist Church.
That's about in the volunteer fire department. So they're taking
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care of each other, but honestly they're cut off from everybody.
The way to get to them is Highway thirty nine
through Kerrville, Ingram and on up and DPS is not
letting anybody in if you don't have if you don't
reside there, or have emergency equipment or need to be there,
so they're cut off from everyone, but you know, they
kind of live that way anyway, so they're okay because
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they're far enough out they depend on each other. And
Hunt Store has been a landmark for years. It's one
of those kind of places when you're in the area,
you go buy and see it and tell people you've
been into Hunt Store, right and it's you know, it's
gone out. It may not be anything but the chimney later.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Wow, the way people are good. Go ahead, No, no,
you got it.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I was going to say that downtown. I was downtown
Saturday night and it was just it was quiet. There
was a lot of sadness hanging in the air. There's
a little ice cream shop there that hadn't been there long,
and I went in. There's a young couple there. They
had been the streets blocked off. They brought in the
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buses for the reunification with parents and their children. Those
folks that owned that little ice cream parlor, they got
their selves down there at six o'clock in the morning
and make sure they had stuff baked and they're ready
to eat and coffee for those families. And that's the
kind of attitude everybody's had in this community. Nobody in
a uniform from Comal County or Kendall County or Harris
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County or anyplace else is going to pay for their
meal in a restaurant. That's the restaurant policy. And if
somebody slips past you, somebody, some locals are going to
buy your meal. That's the way it's it's working here.
So if even the people that can't go out and
comb the river banks and look and search or cut
down trees, they're helping to pay for things. Our local
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Gibson stores stayed late, stayed open late the other night
just so people could come in there and sit on
the camping chairs if they needed to wow. So that's
the way things are going here.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
One of the things that's been talked about is that
the joy of the camp is you don't have your
cell phone. Connect with human beings, connect with nature, pray,
read your Bible, interact. But I've also read that the
area is not particularly, that that's not something that is
a focus, and that telecommunication there is difficult.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So that's made it a little.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Harder as well, And maybe by design, people don't want
to be connected by a cell phone at all times.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Your thoughts on the right.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Well, cell phone connections are difficult, you know. I found
a suburban upside down in a creek one time, and
I had to go up on top of a hill
to make my nine to one one call. You can't
just and that was not in this incident, that was
something else, unrelated. But you can't just make a sell
from where you're standing. You've got to get Everybody around
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here knows which hill you go to. If you live
in that area, you know how far up the hill
you've got to go to get a cell signal. In
some places you can. There's no such thing as DSL
where I live, so there's no Internet where I live.
So there's a lot of people out here like that.
And it is a good place, as you say, to
come if you want to get away from all of that,
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But if you need to stay connected, it's it's not
easy the people. When I was a county commissioner, Michael,
we discussed having an early alert system in the river
along up in the area that flooded, because it's always
been needed, and the real problem the hold back there
was that we didn't have enough cell towers that would
reach those areas, so that idea was scrap. If we
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had that, if we had good sell service and good
Wi Fi, we might could you know, connect with the
higher tech methods that are you know, in place in
some places. And then there's the other the expense of it.
In a county like ours, we have a low population
and don't have a big budget. I think that'll change
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with this. I think I don't know what will come
of it. I shudder to think that the quote best
minds are going to be put on this, because then
there's God only knows what's going to happen, what kind
of government waste we might get going into an alert system.
You know, they always say that a camel is a
horse designed by committee, So I fear that that's that
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maybe what happens at the end of this. But if
we can get any early alert system for the future,
that give people some peace of mind here. So we're
pulling together for the time being. There's a lot of
cleanup people are needed with shovels and brooms and clorox
and that sort of stuff. Even if you can't go
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out and search and you don't have a chainsaw, there's
plenty for people to do. Oh, there's one more. The
Riverside Church of Christ on Harper Road in Kerrville has everything,
and I mean everything. These people have done a wonderful job.
They just need to know who needs it. They've got
all this stuff out. They'll get you a new house
full of furniture if your house is still there.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Wow, it's amazing what you see in a moment like this.
It's amazing. You see the real You see the real
community leaders at a time like this who may not
necessarily be an elected office. Harley Blue, thank you very much,
Hill Country Patriot. We appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Thank you. Michael.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
That is our affiliate in the Hill Country, and it's
always fun to get emails.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
From that area. And how often it is somebody from
Houston who has.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Relocated for a better quality of life.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
The Michael Berry Show, Michael Berry.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Show, Low Toil, No Danger. There is a certain twisted
perversion to people trying to use the deaths of little
girls for their political arguments. Oh, the Trump budget cut
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out the NWS. We don't have a weather service anymore.
That's not true, Avery to Moscow. A weatherman in the
area said, I'll all say, is this a National weather
Service issued a floodwatch for Kerr County more than twelve
hours ahead of the catastrophic flood. A flash flood warning
was issued for Hunt and Ingram three hours before the
Guadaloupe started to climb. They did their job, and they
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did it well. I'm not an expert on the issue,
but it's not just meteorologists who make decisions like this,
it's policymakers.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It's just people who review the facts.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And I will say this, I have reviewed for forty
eight hours and I feel comfortable saying there is no
blame to be placed on the National Weather Service. They
did their job as well as could be done, and
there is no blame to be placed on the directors
(17:39):
of the children's camps. I'll start with the NWS and
the weather alerts. There was a twelve hours out and
three hours out. There were twelve hour out and three
hour out alerts, and they were clear. They said things
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like campers, they said things like Kerr. That doesn't mean.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Let me ask you this. If you go back to.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Katrina, the ninth ward was wiped out and they asked people,
why didn't you leave? And they said, because they've been
telling us this was going to happen so many times.
We didn't think it was going to happen, and it
didn't happen. The levee broke, You couldn't have planned on
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the levee breaking. Then you come to Hurricane Harvey, Well,
why didn't everybody get out of town? Why was anybody
left to be rescued? Because that weather system was supposed
to go across to go from was it Port Lava
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or Port O'Connor supposed to go across Houston and continue
eastward and heavy rainfall.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
That was all we were supposed to have. And then
it stalled.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And when it stalled, it dumped a lot of rain,
and it was not expected that it would stall. So
there is always a Monday morning quarterback. And I am
a big believer in accountability. You don't just weep things
under and say everybody did the best they could do.
But there are times where everybody does do both the
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best they can do. Their attentive, they're accountable, they were competent,
they followed protocols, and bad things still happen. And from
what I have seen and the trustworthy voices who have
spoken on the issue, I feel very comfortable with that.
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As for Dick Eastland at Camp Mystic.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I don't know. I mean, I guess you could argue
he should have moved the girls.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
How many of these flood warnings do you get over
the years?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
This one.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
By the time it was issued, everybody gone to bed.
It happened to be the middle of the night. If
this whole thing happens at two o'clock in the afternoon,
it's very likely a different result and they have time
to make better plans for evacuation. It's also the case
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that it rose twenty six feet in forty five minutes.
Am I getting that number right? Let's see if I
can find that it rose at a rate that is unfathomable,
absolutely unfathomable that water could.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Raise this fastness.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
See the National Weather This is according to ap National
Weather Service office in New Bronfels, which delivers forecasts for
Austin San Antonio's surrounding areas, had extra staff on duty
during the storms. Where the office would typically have two
forecasters on duty during clear weather, they had up to
five on staff. There were extra people in here that night,
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and that's typical in every Weather Service office. You staff
up for an event and bring people in on overtime.
And hold people over. I don't like that they're using
fiscal accountability against the Trump administration because anytime you cut
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any waste than anything.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
That ever goes bad, that was your fault.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's not fair, it's not accurate, and it's not well intentioned.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It is not well intentioned.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Let's go to I can't see the name on my screen.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
She was at camp in seventy four, Robert, Robert, you're on,
Michael Berry.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Michael, Yes, sir, Michael, I'm seventy one. In nineteen sixty four,
I would have been, you know, ten or so eleven.
So I don't recall all the things I recall, but
I do know that Luther Graham at the Camp La Hunter,
which is right at Hunt, called us all out in
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the middle of the night in a rainstorm and lightning,
and said meet at the flagpole in ten minutes, bring
your raincoach, your deloshes in your flashlight. So about one
hundred and fifty boys and counselors met there, and in
ten minutes we walked up the mountain to the gun
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range where there was a little bit of a shelter.
The next morning, when the light came up, we could
see that we had lost two cabins, so I think
I recall that it rose twenty one feet, but not
in forty five minutes. My point of all this is,
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I think I have to believe that the sheriff called
all of us on all of the campsites on the
landlines and said move. This whole business of higher technology
may be god awful blame and it hurts my heart. Anyway, Michael,
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those girls deserve all of our prayers.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's it, all right, thank you, mama. It is our
It's just a tough times, no way.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I saying that we've lived through some pretty awful things
in the Houston community and in Central Texas before we
will get through this.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But man, is to the Michael Berry Show, Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Let your soul and spirit flat.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
One of the stories that got me is a woman
telling the story of her fiance who smashed out the
window of the house they were in to get them
out and get them up on to the roof, and
in so doing severed an artery and he would bleed
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to death. Ah, Man, I mean damned if you do.
The story from kh ou.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Well, the water, which you can still hear, came in
extremely quickly and trees were snapped like toothpicks. Families saying
they really didn't have much time to realize what was
going on. That includes Christina Wilson and her fiance Julian Ryan.
They were at their home in Ingram, about fifteen minutes
from Kerbille, when they say everything happened all at once.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
He got a hero, and that one ever don I'm
noticed through tears and shuck.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
The family of twenty seven year old Julian Ryan tells
us the father, brother, and fiance died a hero. In
the early Friday morning hours, floodwater suddenly swelled into the
hole and he shared with his fiance and mother and
Ingram close to the Guandluque.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
River, and it just started pouring in. We had to
fight the door to get it closed just so that
too much didn't come in, and we ran back to
the room. We started calling nine to one one.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Julian's fiance, Christina Wilson says, after twenty minutes, the water
was up to their knees. Julian punching open a window
to try and get her, their children and his mother
to the roof.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
It severed his artery and his arm almost cut it
clean off.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Christina says they kept calling nine to one one, but
no one came in time to save him.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
By six o'clock, my husband was dead. He had lost
all of it, all all his blood. He looked at
me and the kids and my mother in law.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
He was sorry, I'm not going to make it out
of y'all.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Christina says she found her fiance after the water receded,
but his body wasn't recovered for hours. Now, loved ones,
remember the man they call a hero.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
He was the hero out of this story.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Especially when they told him my brother's dying. I should
have went to him first. That's how I say that.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
He's just the kindest person I've ever met in my life,
and I'll will forever.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Look him no matter what.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
The four stand together say. More needs to be implemented
to never let this happen again.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
All four of you.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Do you guys think that flood sirens would have saved
lives in this situation?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Most likely? Yes, yes, they would have been I would
have been worried. What's that noise? What's that noise?
Speaker 8 (27:00):
We would have least we want to go anywhere else?
We have so many places we could have gone that
were saved.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
That story. Just man ksat TV had the story of
two young brothers.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
My wife and I watched this about five times peers
and rough and boy talking about how they escaped the
waters after their cabin at Camp Lahunta in Hunt was flooded.
And I'm sure most of you know this, but Camp
Mystic is a girls camp. Camp La Hunt is a
boys camp. You had families. In fact, there were two
fourteen year old twins. He's a boy, she's a girl.
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She was at Mystic, he was at Lahunta. So you
have families because they're in that area that put the
girls here and the boys there. And apparently that's that's uh.
They're both very well attended and long tradition camps.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
But here was the this is a good news story.
Speaker 9 (27:56):
The cabins were flooding, and the walls were like they
they like they breaked out, and all the campers in
those cabins had to go up on the rafters and
they had to wait there until they could swim out.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
And my brother here, he had to swim out of
his cabin.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Really, do you want of mind.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
One moment?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (28:23):
And so you might to swim out of your cabin,
can you tell me about that.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
So the flood started getting bigger and it was going
up to we had bunk beds in our cabins and
it was going up to the top bunk and we
had one choice and we had to swim out of
our cabins.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
What it was like. We woke up at Yeah, we
had to wake up at like four am? Yeah, what'd
you wake up to?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Say? People telling me to wake up?
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Screaming I didn't fall asleep, Like I couldn't sleep because
of the lightning.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, people were screaming that there was a flood. There
was a lot of water on the floor. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
I was the first one awake, and basically one of
the other kids in my cabin. He woke up the counsel,
and the council was like what. And then all the
other campers woke.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Up to that.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
What and they're like, oh my god, we're flooding.
Speaker 10 (29:09):
Yeah, and some cabins like flooded, flooded away, But nobody died.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
No one died. We were thankful for that.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
On the way here, we saw all of like the
other camps destroyed, like obliterated.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
One of the.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I don't know if this is the last rescue. There
were several uh. There were several rescues called in that
turned out not to be accurate, but one of the
last that came in that was that was accurate was
a uh oh, I won't be able to get to
that segment.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I don't have time. I'll get to that in the
next segment. It's a girl.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
She was dragged twenty miles down the Guadeloupe, twenty miles
and they found her clinging to a cypress tree. She
is holding on for dear life, just out of the water,
twenty two years old. She went over four dams to
(30:14):
get there, so you know, that thing just beat her
to hell. She went over four dams and she managed
to get hold of a tree and pull herself up.
You can only imagine how dehydrated she had to be,
how exhausted she had to be, how frantic she had
(30:39):
to be. I mean, I guess we all imagine what
we would do to pull ourselves up out of the
water at that moment. Most people can't do one pull up.
One pull up, and that too, if you have time
to get your mind right and you're hydrated, most people
can't do one pull up. And you're not just doing
(31:00):
a pull up Jonathan Kim. You're having to pull yourself
out of floodwaters that are trying to keep you from
going up. They're trying to keep you going to the side,
and you've got to find some way, somehow to get
yourself up on that limb and then to hold on.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I saw one guy. I don't know if you saw
the chomon.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
He was holding on like a bear, the way a
bear climbs up things on the telephone pole.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Did you see that? My wife said, hello, has he
been doing that? I don't know, probably a long time, she.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Said, I just wouldn't be able to hold on. I
just wouldn't be able to hold on. How long could
you hold on? You're dehydrated. And by the way, it's
not like you got to when all these things started.
You got to get your mind right and stretch, and
you know it's a good.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Time of day.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
You've had your breakfa No, this happened in the middle
of the night. H one fourteen in the morning. You're
roused from bed. You are not at your best. The
will to live, to survive is so powerful, and you
(32:17):
see it in this in this case, it's incredible. And
the will to to save your child, save your loved one,
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