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Marissa Streit sat down with doctor Joseph Pizzorno, a leading
naturopathic physician and public health advocate, to talk about what
he calls a hidden health crisis. Could everyday toxins in

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our food, water, and homes be fueling the rise in
chronic disease? Why are young people getting colon cancer? Why
are so many people getting sicker sooner? We're supposed to
be getting better at health, not worse. So is it
that as our food and our water, and the things

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that our home in our home are changing, that those
changes are bringing elements into our lives that our body
is rejecting, that are making our bodies ill. Doctor Pisorno
reveals why big Pharma focuses on treatment over prevention. You know,

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I've had an uncle who used to say that medical
companies don't want to heal you because's no money in
healing you. They want to treat you. For a very,
very long time I was in the seventies, he told
me that that's more true today than ever. Doctor Bisorno
reveals why Big farm of focuses on treatment over prevention

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and shares how smarter choices, stronger regulations, and a return
to natural living could change the health of millions. I
shouldn't need to tell you this, but I will remember
that often we believe in your good judgment, So we

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don't agree with one hundred percent of what guests say.
But that doesn't mean that we're going to keep you
from hearing it. We're not seeing in We don't say, well,
we're not going to let you hear that because we
don't agree with one hundred percent of it. All the
time you're an adult you can make good decisions for yourself.

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So that's this week's Saturday.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Doctor Pisorno. I hope that this is going to be
one of the only medical interviews that I'm doing that
actually doesn't get censored, because every time I've brought on
a doctor who is willing to speak the truth, for
some reason, social media has given us a lot of grief.
So hopefully this is going to be the one that
actually gets to go viral without censorship. I personally call

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you the father of natural medicine. I know that you're
going to correct me, and I know that there are
people who've done this before, but I think this is
an incredible moment for you and for people who have
learned from you and followed you, because I do believe
that people are finally waking up. I do remember times
where I would go into the doctor, whatever doctor it is,
and I would ask questions about natural medicine, homeopathy, functional medicine,

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and I would get the look and you know what
that look is? Are you crazy? Why are you you know,
going down these rabbit holes? You weirdo? But times are changing.
I think people are looking for more autonomy and sovereignty
and a better understanding of what we're putting in our
bodies and why there are so many issues, so many
medical issues, and so you have been at the forefront

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of this. You started based your university. Yes, you have
written the Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine, You've written many books
about toxins, and so I just think this is your moment.
It's your moment.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, thank you. I think it is a great opportunity.
I've been involved in medicine now for over half a century,
so I've had a chance to read a lot of research,
see a lot of patients, and watch how things change
over time. And one of my greatest concerns right now
is we now suffer the heightest burden of chronic disease

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in every age group ever in human history. Why what's happened?
What's happened is people ignored what my teachers were saying
one hundred years ago. Hundred years ago, they said, we
treat the symptoms of disease with drugs that turn off
the symptoms of the buy not working properly, you get

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more crop disease. They were laughed at, But now I
know it's true. This whole idea is about avoiding toxins,
eating healthfully, getting exercise, and such nichepathic doctors of which
I'm the more recent version of. We've been teaching this
and practicing this for over one hundred years, and it's
wonderful to see now the Moha movement and such adopting

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these ideas that we work so hard to keep alive
in the culture despite huge opposition from the commercial medicine. So, yes,
this is our time. We've been doing this for a
long time. I've written what twelve books. Now the opportunity
is now for people to be healthy. Time to stop
buying into the sick system and commit oneself to the
healthy system.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
So so many of us have been saying the same
thing that we feel like we have sick care in America,
not actual healthcare in America, and so much of it
has to do with the way we're treating our bodies.
Can you explain to us briefly what is the difference
really between natural medicine, natural pathy, and conventional medicines.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
If you look at medicine, and this has been going
on for hundreds of years, there's kind of two schools
of thought. One school of thought says, the body makes mistakes,
it's the victim of the environment, and the role of
the doctor is to take control and fixings. It has
this place, like infections, things like that. But then there's
the other approach. The other proat says, the body has

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tremendisterability to heal if we just give a chance. So
how do we give the body a chance to heal well?
We need expat The doctors say, first remove what's blocking
the healing. Well, what's blocking the healing nutritional deficiencies, environmental atoxins,
poor lifestyles. So first thing we do is we make
by stronger by removing with blocking the healing and using

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nutrients in such to help support the strengths of the body.
So while we both have patients come to see us
with disease, one just turns off the symptoms of the
body breaking. The other one says, those symptoms are telling
us there's something wrong. Let's focus on why those symptoms
exist and deal with the cause of why they exist.
So one system is popular because it's fast. You know

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you have arthritis, something's in flame. Take take ibuprofen. Within
a few hours. It feels better. It's not better, it
just feels better. Whereas I would say, oh, you have
arthritis room tarthrias, for example, big problem in women. I say, well,
let's measure your body load of PCBs. What you say,

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why that? Well, these probalyclarinate by feenals. They account for
about twenty percent of room tarthriais and women because of
the damnagey due to the system. So we do things
like that, we'll dive in why is it happening? Can
we fix it now? Sometimes things that progress to the
point where you can't fix it and you need help. Well, fine,

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now use that system, But what's happening now is for
everything we're using the system that's primarily turn off symptoms.
Go on the internet and just do this little search.
Search for the ten most commonly prescribed drugs on the internet.
Search for that nine of the ten only relief symptoms.
They don't deal with the cause of disease. So why

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is it a surprise they were getting so much chronic
disease because they're not dealing with the causes.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I think for consumers like me, it's hard to understand.
Why can't we have both, Like, why can't we have
a doctor who is looking at both, is both looking
at the underlying problem and try to help it help
the body do what it's supposed to do. And when
it comes to a point where you actually need western
medicine intervention, maybe it's something acute, then you can have both.

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And it appears to me like there is this bizarre
gap and separation between the conventional medicine doctors and the
natural doctors. And why is that.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
I think there have been many different reasons over the years,
but just be honest about it. The Labor Union for
Medical Doctors we call the AMA, has actually suppressed natural
medicine everywhere possible. When, for example, I, as a nathpathic doctor,
I want to get licensed to have a state start
license in US virtual always the AMA will have somebody

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there opposing it. This opposition to our medicine has been severe.
Some of my teachers, for example, were taken away in
handcuffs in front of their patients for daring to recommend
to their patients use viomins and minerals and herbs instead
of drugs. I've had patients have their children taken away
from them when they came to see me with chronic
ear infections who've been on antibiox you know, for over

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a year, didn't work. Keep on having infections. I said,
we'll stop using the antibox. Let's deal with well, why
is in the immune system working properly? Why are the
years being so susceptible to infection? And I got them
to okay, let's go on this pathway. And so many
children i'd say made eighty five percent of kids with
chronic ear infections. It's relatively simple. When I take a
few months of work and no more ear infections. The
other children taken away from them because they stopped giving

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the antibody that weren't working. This medicine has been actively
suppressed for the last one hundred years.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Why I don't understand. Why can't it be somebody's choice. Also,
how they want to take care of their bodies.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I think it's all commercial. Now.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Clearly there's some well meaning most doctors are well meaning,
and some of them believe that, well, this medicine is
not valid, it's not scientific, therefore it's not good for
my patients. And also I was taught in medical school
that these things alternate medicine is pretty weird stuff. We
call it quackery, you know, just to get rid of it.
And oh and by the way, and I did get

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some nutrition education two hours and that two hours of it.
Industrial education taught things like, well, multivinments don't really help you,
and fine medias that really help bone health. And it's
like it's more negative rather than positive. So they've been
trained not to believe this. They care about their patients,
so they're they're saying, Okay, well this is not working.
Let's do these things that work, ignoring the fact that

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you know, the thirdle in cause of death in the
United States is properly prescribed drugs. Okay, It's like, wait
a minute, you're saying you're the best. How come we
have so much disease, how it's costing so much, how
come so many people are being injured by it? Let's
do something different.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Well, this claim that it's quackery. What does it take
to become a natural medicine doctor? I mean you started
the first credited university. So is it this tiny little
course or is it many years? Like what do people
actually study in order to become natural medicine doctor?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yes, so to be a neat methic doctor. So I
found it fast to university in nineteen seventy eight. And
in order to get it into university, you first have
to have pre med Okay, then just like conventional medicine,
and then it's a four year program. The first two
years are pretty much the same as conventional medicine. You know,
an AMMI physiology, pathology by coemistry, all those all those things.

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But the second two years are very different from conventional medicine. Well,
we do teach disease diagnosis. We're more interested in diagnosis
or the body's not working properly, not the end stage
of this disease. It's like, where's the body functioning right now?
So you don't end up in the end state disease.
So we ask other questions that help us understand what's

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going wrong in the body. And then the therapies we teach.
Of course, we teach basic drugs because sometimes you need
an antabiotic, and I'm licensed to use antibiotics. But most
of the time you need to understand what's not going right.
So how do you assess nutritional status, how you sess
toxic load, how do you sess people's sleep patterns, things
like this, So we're all looking at how do you
do the natural approach to healing? Use drugs mean you

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have to, but all this work we can do to
help make the body stronger.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's huge.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
And also I want to go out the thing about
not scientific. So way back in nineteen eighty three I
got to get with one of my brightest graduate, doctor
Michael Murray, and we said, and this at the point,
I was doing a lot of work political work, and
I go to saved legislatures and they bring in the
medical doctor. They say, wait, they're not scientific, not scientific,
we're scientific medisin with kept the less. So we said, well,

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you know, we think this natural medicine has something to offer.
Is their science behind it. So we then started looking
at the medical research. We found huge, huge amount of research.
So way back in nineteen eighty five we published the
Textbook of Natural Medicine. It had over five thousand references
in the scientific literature showing that these natural therapies work.

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Nobody had ever compiled it before. So then we said, well, wait,
now we're teaching the doctors.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Now.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
That textbook is now in its fifth edition. It's been
translated into four languages and it's sold one hundred thousand
copies around the world to doctors.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
To doctors imagine they have on their patient.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Use integrated message. Doctors function, messine, doctors and such. Many
of them have my textbooks. Okay, so then we realized
what we want to talk to the consumers as well.
So then we wrote the Encyclopede of Natural Medicine, and
it was the first book that came out to consumers
that showed the science behind natural medicine.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
It's amazing how many years it took to make it
into market. I mean, sometimes it's hard when you're the
first to market and people are not ready. And as
I did, you know, as I said, I do believe
that people are finally ready. One of the things that
you talk about all the time, I know has to
do with the toxic soup that we're living in. Some
of it feels like it's just out of our control.

(15:15):
But what can we do? Can you just help me
wrap my head around the toxic soup that we are
living in and what can we actually even do about it?

Speaker 4 (15:23):
That is such an important question and I think everybody
has to really take it seriously. So, as I mentioned earlier,
we suffer the hohest burden of chron diseased every age group.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Ever.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Why what's happened? Are genext in change? Well, our nutrition
is not great, it didn't get that much worse. Well, actually,
I might modify that. Some parts it got worse, but
in general, most of it didn't get worse. What changed toxins.
We have inundated the environment with metals and chemicals that
poison our bodies. I like using diabetes as the example.

(15:57):
When I was in primary care way back in next
to seventy five, I was so excited when I saw
my first diabetic patient about six months after I went
to practice. Now, people might say, well, you're a young practitioner,
takes you a while to build your practice. I was
fully booked within three months. Okay, because people are sick
and I was able to help people. So I was
so excited to see this diebect patient. Now, diabetes affects

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thirteen percent of the population, and it's projected that one
out the three people will have three people have diabetes
in their lifetime. What happened, so I started I was scarious.
So I started looking at this. I started finding what
researchers are now calling diabetogens in the environment. These are
metals and chemicals that go into the body. They buying

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to the instant receptor sites and the cells. So now
the cells can't see insulin. So why I have to
overproduce insulin to get the sugar into the cells. So
we call the insign resistance. Well, the INSIDN resistance is
mostly due to environmental toxins covering up the incan receptor sites.
Not that, but maybe these talks like arctics for example,
poison the past, so it can't produce enough insulin.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
How are we adding arsenic into our bodies?

Speaker 4 (17:04):
That's really scary as near as I can tell from
the the something called ENHNES, which at the big national
database that tracks people's nutritional status, toxic status, disease state,
et cetera. So when you start looking at these environmental toxins,
they are everywhere, and the one of the worst is arsenic,
and our NEARS I can tell one through the population

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has arctic levels high enough to increase the risk of disease, diabetes, stroke, cancer.
I mean, these are not rare conditions, you're rare common.
Where does it come from? Water, rice and chicken are
the three primary Rice, chicken and chicken three primary. Well,
up until about ten years ago, giving our cynical compounds

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to chickens was the standard of care. Okay, so they're
always given our cenical compounds because made them more resistant
to disease and help plump them up. Well, then we
start finding all this research on the Arctic being a problem.
So no longer the recommended or required form of taking
care of chickens. But the chickens still have high levels
of arsenic. So the question is, why hasn't that decreased?

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Doctor? Is this something that people should be testing for
on a regular basis? I mean, do people get tested
for all these heavy metals and toxins and arsenic? I
don't know if my kids get tested for these things.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
But they should. Everybody should be tested for the byload
of toxic chemicals, the byload of environmental metals. But there's
another thing they should do. They should test or buy
for how much damage they're getting from these things. So
there's two lap tests are available. One's readily available, one's
a little more difficult to get. The first one I
really like talking about. It's an enzyme in the liver

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called GDTP. So in the past and still currently, the
way we determine a person has hepatitis inflammation damage and
the liver is we look at the amount of liver
enzyme then but leaked into the blood. Until a couple
of decades ago, GDTP was one of the enzymes leaked
from the liver into the blood. There's indicative of inflammation

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on the liver. It's no longer being used because it
wasn't as good as the other methods. And reason it
wasn't as good is because it was going up in
the blood within the normal range in proportion to oxydative
stress and in portion to toxic load level metals and
chemicals in the body, so it couldn't differentiate hepatitis from
toxic exposure. So it turns out now that you can

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actually measure the person's GTTP and see that within the
normal range, which is typically ten to fifty, as the
level goes up, it correlates with diabetes, heart disease, dementia,
all cause mortality. Because what's happening is one of the
key ways to buy protect itself is with a molecule
called glutathion. So gluthon binds to these toxins to help

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neutralize them. So when the binding needs more glutathione, it
increases GTTP in proportion of toxic load and a recycles
the signs that we keep on using it. So my
detoxify patients. One way I know I'm doing a good
job is their GTT goes down. I say GTT and GTTP.
It's different initials for the same test.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
It's interesting that you bring up glutathion because there are
a lot of supplements that people are taking, probably buying them,
mostly on Amazon, and glutathion is one of those. So
people are buying them. I have this whole plethora of
stuff here, but right here there is glutathion pill for example. Yes,
and there is this other one that people are taking
in liquid form, glutathion is does it make sense? Should

(20:35):
we be taking glutathion as a supplement, should we be
giving it to our children? And do these things work?

Speaker 4 (20:42):
So one of the best ways to protect ourselves from
environmental toxins and to increase our energy levels and to
improve longevity and decrease disease is increasing your glutathion levels.
So the question then is how do you increase glutothine levels?
So I'm gonna take a nature pathrick approach. So I
teach my students. I say, the first thing is we're
sure we can increase glue thion levels, but first look

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at why the person needs more glutithion. Okay, decrease toxic load,
decrease oxatative stress. Now if we want to then increase
the glue thion levels. While you can give people oral glutathion,
it's a pretty expensive way of doing it because back
ting the guy will break down the glutathion into systing.
That cysting is absorbed and systing then goes to make glutathione.

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The rate limiting step in the production of glutton is
amount of systing that's available. So one way is gluethion
expensive way of doing it. A much less expensive way
is to used in acidyl c systing or NAC for short.
So anac gets through the gut, bacteria gets in the
body and directly promotes gleuthon production. Now, if you want
to speed the process up, or if you have patient

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who they have genic reasons why they're not very good
at producing glutathion, there are people like that too. You
can give them either oral epozomic glutathion or give them
topical lepozomic gluthion and that will be absorbed into the
body that way.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Does it smell bad? Is like so for I mean
this thing smells. My kids would say liquid fart.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah. Are there natural ways to increase your glutathion? It's
like the brazil nuts or something like that.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Sure, so weypotter So weight Potter is very high, insisting
it's also very good for muscle promotion.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
And do you think that given the toxic soup that
many of us who are living in the cities are
exposed to, is it something we should first measure for
go to a doctor and then take or should we
just go ahead and take it because you know there's
no risk in taking it. How do we approach the
type of supplements that we should take in order to

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fight against the toxins?

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yes, my preference is diagnosed first tree second. Yeah, so
before I start telling me on something like this, I
like to do some measurement to see where are they
really so that way we can determine not only what
they need, but where we effective at getting it backwards
should be.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
You know, as I've been studying your work, doctor, one
of the things that I keep thinking about is, you know,
I diference the toxic soup and in some ways it's
like the environment that we're living in, whether it's the
environmental stuff that you talk about the food, it's this
sewage that we're pouring into our bodies. And with a
lot of these supplements, the idea is to throw a
bunch of soap into the sewage to try to clean

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it up. Where your point is, well, how do we
just first just you know, put the guards on the sewage, right,
and not let all the sewage got into our bodies.
And so with regards to the environmental toxins, what can
we actually do in our homes to protect ourselves and
our children so that the sewage doesn't keep pouring in
before we feel like we need to go and supplement

(23:37):
everybody with I don't know twenty pieces of supplements.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
And again, thank you for saying that, because so many
people when I say, oh, it's natural, we'll just take that. Well, sure,
but step back and say why do you need it?
What's going what are you doing that's making your body
need some extra help? So you got to deal with
causes first. So I say to people, Okay, whereas toxins

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coming from as near as I can tell, about sixty
percent comes from food, So first thing you do is
organic grown foods rather than chemically grown foods. Now that
you're going to say, well, but that's more expensive. Yes,
it is more expensive. The doctor is even more expensive, okay,
and do you want your health or not? So organically
grown foods, and it's not just that they're lower environmental toxins.

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They're also higher in many of these nutrients that were
not considered important, like crotenoids and flab noise, things like that.
We grow foods chemically. The environment and minerals are fairly
similar between organic grown and chemically grown. When you start
to look at the other things like flab noois or
croc noise and such, nine percent are lost. We grow
foods chemically rather organically, and those things have huge impacts

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on health. So it's not just avoiding the toxins. Say,
as our bodies evolved, we expected these flabinoids and crocnoids
and other molecules to be there to make our physicology
work properly. Well. When they're not there, are don't work
as well. So number one, number two, last three kind
it depends upon where a person lives, et cetera. So
next thing is water. So, as I said before, arsenic

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is a big issue. I would say about twenty percent
of the public water supplies in the United States have
arsenic levels known to induce disease. I'm talking about public
water supplies. Now we're looking at private wells. There's some
private wells that have huge amounts of arstick in it.
So everybody should always have the arsenic levels tested. It's
easy to do, the number of labs to do it.

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So we want to clean up the water supply. The
third area is clean up the air. So if you're
living in a city and if you have forced air
heating or cooling, you want to put in a at
least a Nerve twelve filter to clean up the toxins
in the air. For example, here we are in Los Angeles.
There's lots of particulate matter, there's always one all these

(25:52):
bad things. So put in a good filter in your
house and run it twenty four seven.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
So we did ourselves. One of the fun things about
natural medicine is I learned something. We said, well, let's
apply it to ourselves. So we started looking at this
air pollution problem. And so we've got Amurve sixteen filter
that's about the best you can get Punter air filter,
and we were so surprised number one is we have
cleaners come in every two weeks to help my help

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us clean up the house. Okay, they said, what happened?
What happened to your house? We said, what do you mean,
whamp to our house? He said, there's no dust anymore.
Well that's interesting, okay. And then we have these fires
up in British Columbia and the smoke came down to Seattle.
Well you us say, you smell the smoke is terrible.
Inside our house, everything was pure and clean, so it

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was remarkable to us how much that improved the quality.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Of our lives.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
And then the final one is health and beauty aids.
So these losings and potions were put in our skin.
They are full of chemicals that can be really damaging
to us. So I tell people, yeah, health and beauty
as a good idea, but you know, you'll get as
much benefit from coconut oil as you get from these
concoctings with all these chemicals that might make your skin
look a little better, but they're going to give you diabetes.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
So clean ones, okay. So many questions about food, water,
and beauty products, very specific ones that I have. So
we talk about water. So here I have this water.
This water is an alkaline water, and there are many
of these brands. This is just one example alkaline water.
Is it worth investing in it? Is it actually better

(27:30):
for your body?

Speaker 4 (27:34):
First off, is in a plastic bottle? Yeah, so you're
putting microplastics into your body, You're putting thalates in your body,
and putting this funels into your body. Not a good idea, okay.
Now in terms of the alkin water, it's an intriguing idea.
But everybody's tried to sell that to me. I said,
some great, show me the research, show me clinical research
that this actually helps people. And I've never gotten an answer.

(27:58):
And so anybody listening to this video that we're doing together,
if you've got research that shows that this helps people,
please let me know and I'll teach it to doctors
who can then use it further patients. But until then,
I don't have any reason to think it's good or bad.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
So what do you do? You just get water and
purify it in your house and then carry it in
a glass vessel.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Well, I would like to do that that I can
get from home to hear that way, which is what
I did today. But after that I try to get
water that's in glass. So at least I'm not getting
the plastics.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Okay, So onto the creams. So we have been told
that we can get skin cancer if we don't wear
sunblock every single day. And so if you know you
send your kids to the beach, you gotta lather everybody
with sunblock, otherwise they're going to get burnt in skin cancer.
And so I have a few products here for example
of you got a copper done, and there are many
similar ones that you see all over the place. Is

(28:53):
it more harm than good these sunblocks?

Speaker 4 (28:56):
So let me quote doctor Michael Hollock. So he's one
of the guys who've done a huge my research on
environment D and has published a lot, and he made
a statement that made the conventional medical community quite angry
with them. He said that for every death we save
from skin cancer by putting these lissenings and potions of
people's skin, because fifty five cases of breast cancer, colon cancer,

(29:21):
prostate cancer, and lung cancer, because deficiency of viamin D
hugely promote many kinds of cancer in the body. So
I put all these blocks on, we're decreasing people of
viomin D levels. I did a corporate wellness program in
Canada where I measured the vironmin D levels on forty
five hundred oil field workers in Canada. Eighty six percent

(29:42):
of them were deficient environment D. So viamin D is
very deficiency, is very common in Seattle. It's gray a lot, Okay.
I measured thirty people in Seattle their viomin D levels,
including myself. Not a single one head acquate levels of
viamin D. So one big problem with the these things
is was blocking our billy to produce vitamin D. So

(30:03):
it's hugely problematic. The second problem with these things is
that they have chemicals in them that are damaged to
the body. And they'll say, look at a chemical like
pent paraments. They'll say, well, paraments have and they're put
in them to their antimicrobios so bacteria don't grow in
them and fundine such so, so it's antimicrobial and the
toxicity is really low, so the benefits way better. But

(30:26):
the problem is toxics is really low in that one chemical. Well,
there's thirteen different some blockers that can put in that
besides that one. Each has a little bit toxicity. They
start saying, well, the research says that this is not
very toxic. But the problem is we're not only exposed
to just one toxin. We're exposed to hundreds of Actually

(30:47):
we're exposed as thousands of toxins. Well, we have good
data on about two hundred of them, and what we
find is that, yeah, this talk's not too bad. But
when you had five toxes, we're starting to see some trouble.
Now we add another one hundred toxes. Weit a minute,
We're starting get more cronk disease. Now we got a
thousand toxins, so well, each one may not be bad
all together, what I call toll toxic load, hugely problematic,

(31:09):
primary reason why we're having all this crounk disease.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
So it just adds up.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
It adds up.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
So there are sun blocks that are not like these
massive commercial ones, but they are the ones that have
the minerals in it, let's say zinc, et cetera. Do
you recommend those because you still don't want to burn.
I'm assuming that has to be bad for your skin.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
You don't want to burn, but you do want to
get sun exposure. So first off, use clothing. Clothing is
a really safe way of but it's so hot, so
use air clothing air as well.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
But yeah, you're right.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
And then for your face, you know, you want to
stay pretty, you know, or handsome where the case may be,
So using some blocks in your face is a good idea.
That's all I recommend. I'm just honest with you.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
And what about supplements like, okay, so the I have
a couple of supplements here for vitamin D, like you
know this one is, there are a bunch of those.
You mentioned that the glutathion is not so helpful in
pill form sometimes, But what about vitamin D? Can can
you just buy a vitamin D off a shelf and
rely on that.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yes, vimin D is one of those nutrients that's very
easily absorbed by the body and don't need fancy forms
now if you want to get resophisticated on it. It
turns out sublingual viamin D works a little bit better
than oral biamin D, so I recommend that people do sublingual.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Do you think in general sublingual is better than pill form?

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Depends on what we're looking at, But for viamin D
it clearly is better.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Okay, you talk about sublingual makes me think about homeopathic medicine.
So you know, I've been using a bunch of these
for years. To be honest, I don't know what I'm doing,
but I just buy them and read the label, and
they do seem to work. Doctor, So I don't know
if it's a placebo. And you know, obviously I'm a
passionate person with a creative brain, so maybe I'm imagining it,

(32:49):
but it does seem to work, and I don't have
that much information on it. What's your thought on homeopathic
medicine and these little balls?

Speaker 4 (32:59):
That is one of the most common questions I do get.
If you look at the origins of homeopathy and go
days back to Hanaman, you know, a couple of centuries ago,
and he actually used what's called low ponency homeopathy that's
typically six to twelve X. I don't want to get
into a lot of details of what it means, but
that's what's called low puncy homopthy. That's where it came

(33:21):
from using low poncy. Later on people start using these
hyppotancy scenes like thirty acts and things like that. The
clinker results of my own experience, it's way better with
the low potency stuff because they seemed to work better
with the body, so I used a lot in pediats
and things like that. I never found the hypotency is
particularly effective.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Are there specific illnesses or symptoms that you feel like
homeopathy is more effective that you've actually experienced.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Oh, sure, ear infections and kids really to release the
symptoms low pony homeopathy is very.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Useful for inner ear or outer ear, for inner ear.
So actually, my sun struggles with inner ear infections. I
think it's partially because of the way I guess, the
way everything is set up, with his sinuses and his
view and.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
All that structural You gotta use the drugs. Eighty five
percent of kids with chronic infections that I've seen we
get rid of within a few months. Number One, they
have stop consuming dairy products. One third of kids were
kronk ear infections. If you remove the dairy products, they
stop having kronk ear infections.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Oh why is that?

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Well, you know you just got that little station too
that goes through the ear back of the throat. Well,
if they're having an alertic reaction to the dairy products,
that station tube swells now can't drain the way it's
supposed to, and they get infections seriously one third the kids.
And that that's that's published resource by the way. Okay,
then the other things I do with them, I give

(34:48):
them extrain c extra byamin a and extra zinc. And
why am I doing that because those repromote function of
the immune system. So what you see in these kids
is they start thristing notices or they're not getting colds
as frequently. Okay, because what happens to kids get colds
like every other time they get air infection. Okay, now
they stop having colds as often then they knows. Oh

(35:09):
and now even when they get a cold, now they're
no longer getting their infection. So about three months maybe
as long as six months normal air infections. Well, what's
important here, it's not only that they're no longer getting
ear infections, but nutrients that their body needs they're available
now for resists to things like cancer in the future.
One of the best things you do to avoid counc

(35:30):
in the future viamin A, viamin c zinc, viamin D
hugely preventive of later disease. So much of medicine focus
on the DOLTQ problem. Let's release somethings as much as
we can while ignoring why people are sick. That's why
we NI expathic doctors, I think are such an important
resource for the community because we help people understand why

(35:53):
they're sick and how to get healthy.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, I mean to be honest. Generally, when my son
suffered from ear infections, that recommendation was obviously in your infection.
They would give us antibiotics when it would get really bad,
but just before that they would recommend something like an
antihistamine or a steroid spray.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Right, And why are they doing that to make the
station tube not swell so much?

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Right?

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Well, why don't you go after recent why the station
tube of swelling? Because histamines aren't good for us? I mean,
they have a place, but steroids they're not good for us.
They have a place, but only short term.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
So you mentioned things like zinc, there's cursitin, there is
C and so some of these you know, here's another
example where you have a blend of multiple looking for
some of these multi vitamin Oh, here it is. So
you mentioned the vitamin C, the D three, the zinc
and so there are these blends. Yes, and it's not
a pill, it's actually in liquid form. Do you think

(36:47):
there's a difference between the pill, the dry pill and
a liquid form or is it just preference.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
It's a good question. In general. When I'm doing somebody
with the upper respiratory track infection, I prefer the liquids stings.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
It seems to work a little better.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
And what about things like garlic in the ear? I
have this, I have this one. This garlic oil.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Warm garbic oil in the ear is very relieved in
the kitch with.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
It's not witchcraft because sometimes when I've asked doctors about
garlic in the air, they said, ooh, you can do it,
but it's whatever.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
So garnic is very interesting. Not is it a warm
oil in the ear will help relieve most most symptoms.
But garbic oil itself is full of antimicrobial agents, so
it's it's actually very good, not only in the ear,
but topical infections. There's so many ways you can use garlic.
But again, short term, very cute. If it's happening regularly,

(37:43):
gara cole is not going to cure it. It's just
going to alleviate. You need to go after the cure.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Okay, let's talk about food. I love food. I recognize
that food is so important everything about you know, everybody's
talking about our microbiome, right and that engine. So what
are foods that you absolutely love that you'd love to
walk into a family's kitchen and say, you're doing great,
keep eating these things?

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Okay, age old nature pathic adage. Disease begins in the gut.
The nation paths have been saying there for one hundred years. Okay,
So gut thespiolysis is such huge issue. Most people have
leaky gut because they got either wrong bacteri in the
gut or the consuming things that damage the gut. So
clean up the gut is one of the foundational things

(38:28):
that we we nax path the doctors work on. Now,
he asked me about foods, and when most common questions
I get is, well, what's the best diet, kida, genetic diet,
vegan diet, you know, pescatarian diet. And I say to people,
I have studied every diet. I'm sorry, almost every diet,
and I've actually tried almost every one of them too,

(38:48):
because before I recommend something to a patient, also, okay
is what the research says, let me try myself and
see what it feels like. Because you know better to
treat people to help them understand what's going on. And
I've come to a conclusion which probably is not popular,
but I'm now further convinced it's not the type of
diet a person's eating, it's the quality of the foods

(39:11):
that they're eating. Our bodies have remarkable adaptive ability. We
can be on a ketogenic diet, we can be on
high median and diet, we can be on a vegan diet,
as long as you eat foods properly within those areas.
Because when you're vigan diet is something you can't get
from the food. You got to deal with that. Samely
with with a high carnivore diets. You can't get from

(39:33):
a carnivour diet. You got to deal with those. But
ultimately it comes down to what's the quality of the food.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
As whether it's organic or full of margins.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Or is it nutrient depleted and full of toxins. There
are many examples of foods that are grown now chemically
where the levels of the toxins are now higher than
the levels of the environments and mineral SYNM environments are necessary.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Are there foods that you think we should just absolutely
stay away from, especially in ones given that we live
in the United States, that you're more aware that are
dangerous for us.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Okay, that's a long conversation. Okay, so I'll let me
put it simply. It's not organically grown amph it's highly
processed and highly process or any level of processing to reachwitch.
This processed to reach witch is problematic.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Mm hmm. You have the is it the Dirty dozen foods?
Can you describe those?

Speaker 4 (40:27):
So that was a convenient tool created by the Environmental
Working Group. They try to identify which foods have the
highest levels of contaminant toxins and which foods have the
least levels in terms of how they're grown conventionally. So
some foods that just don't tend to pick up pick
up the toxins. Okay, whereast other foods really pick up
a lot of toxes. Apples, strawberries, things like that, lots

(40:48):
lots of toxes. But other things like like squashes, things
with thick skin, avocios and such, they don't tend to
let much of the toxins in. So if yeah, if
you have limited resources, you can't buy everything organically grown, well,
go to that environment Working Group and I'll show you
which foods are relatively safe to eat that are commercially growing,
which ones never eat it unless you eat exactally.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I know that apples is an interesting thing because most
European countries refuse to buy apples from the United States
of America.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I don't blame them.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
What's wrong with the American apples?

Speaker 4 (41:18):
They're sprayed with all these toxins. They're there there, I
think typically one number one or number two on the
Environment Working Group of the worst contaminated Foods.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
So no apple a day keeps the doctor away until we.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Started spraying with pesticides. The answer is yes, wow, but
wants to start spraying with pesticides No, And then we
start growing them in these huge growths where they use
chemical fertilizers. So over time the apples lose these other
nutrients that are really important, I mean things like they're flatti,
like like caulter peterin. Okay, it's kind of strange sounding term.

(41:51):
So why is peterin important? Well, interestingly enough, it improves
our ability to detox by arsenic and it protects our
DNA from artic damage. And so apples rich in that
keep the doctor away by protecting us from toadja like
arsenic grow that food chemically and not is that patarion
levels go down, but now you've got more toxins in it.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Doctor, how do you feel about things like tile and
all and adviil. We talked about the ear infections and
the many other aches that we all have, and I
think there's quite a bit of controversy whether to give
your child tile and all not give your child tile
and all. What are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
For short term use? We need drugs for various purposes.
I don't know much trouble with too much trouble with
the short term use. Long term use hugely problematic. I
consider it a cent of metaphone, which is the active ingredient,
to be hugely problematic. And the reason for that is
that it depletes glutathion in the body. So when you're

(42:52):
taking tile and all, you now deplete gluteathin levels, which
means the environment talks you're being exposed to can't protect
yourself as much from them.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Here's the problematic.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
How do you feel about vaccines?

Speaker 4 (43:03):
So one of the best ways to make sure nichspath
of doctors don't get licensed is to be an opposition
to vaccines. So my position on vaccines is thots that
are proven safe and effective. Fine, But you look at COVID.
We even never proven safe and effective before it was
mass forced on everybody. So I don't like that at all.

(43:25):
And I do like what Bobby Kennedy is doing. I
was saying, fine, we can have vaccinations, we've got proof
they're safe.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
First, are there anyones that worry you or anyones that
you feel more confident about. I know this is a
very tricky subject because doctors have been getting a lot
of grief for saying anything about any one of the
many seventy two vaccinations that children are getting. But we
as parents are just so lost because we are given
this macro statement of well, some of them need to

(43:52):
be proven safe and some of them might need to
be removed. In the meantime, we're raising our children and
we don't know what to do. Doctor.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yeah, another complex challenge, that's seventy two. I remember two
years ago looking at my grandson's vaccination card and seen
seventy two on there. I was appalled, and I looked
at her, his mother, and said, is there any safety
data on this? There's no safety data on this, Why
are we doing this to the children? And now I'm
going to say something which maybe a lot of people

(44:20):
in our natural medic community won't be too happy about. Well,
I talk about what's optimal and how we should be.
The reality is that we have a really sick society,
so so many people's immused system working so poorly, prime
more need for vaccinations now than ever before. But having
said that, it's still a band aid. It's not dealing
with the cause why people are sick. Look at measles.

(44:41):
The kids who get add bad reactions to measles are
primarily once they're aviamin a deficient biyamen A. Deficiency is
incrobably common. Remember fact that cover Wellness program I did.
I measured all the viamin A levels and it was
four percent or deficient in biyomen a. Not not as
bad as viman D, but forty percent, which means all
those people are low. They're way more successful to infections.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
You mentioned Bobby Kennedy and the whole MAHA movement. What
do you think we can expect of them? Do you
think that they can make the change that we need
to see. I mean, it's there were so many changes,
right the environment, the food, the band aids that we're
putting on things. What can we expect in the short
term or even the long term?

Speaker 4 (45:20):
From Maha, I'm so encouraged that these concepts that natural
medicine has been promoted for so long are find being adopted.
And with many of these things, the short term benefits
may not be as obvious, but the long term benefits
will be huge. Again, most of the chronic diseases. Do
the toxins let's stop clamper food to play, clamper water,

(45:43):
clamper air, stop poison our population.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Do you think that's something that's doable for them to
be able to accomplish.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
So I'm gonna call this the ten percent problem. So
the difference between this is the kind of rule of thumb,
but the difference between producing a vibe investment have the
proper quality control versus one that's just being sold about
ten percent. The difference between producing a product that is
cleaned for the product that is contaminated about ten percent. Well,

(46:12):
that ten percent is pure profit. So what we need
to do is say, wait a minute, it's okay for
us to require of our products that they not be toxic.
And we're willing to pay a little bit more for
it so that we don't go spend all our money
on the doctors. We now spend one out of every
six dollars in our GDP on healthcare. I mean, it's
incredible we're spending on healthcare. Well, let's stop poisoning people

(46:37):
and don't spend so much money on healthcare.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Is it true that the poison in the food actually
impacts the child's IQ.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
There are three studies that I can callte off the
top of my head right now, where they looked at
the levels of organo phosphates in the pregnant women. They
then compare the IQ of the children born to women
in the top ten percent of organo phosphate levels versus
those in a bus ten percent, and ironed out all
the socioeconomic differences for all these kids for seven years.
All three studies found the exactly the same thing, a

(47:08):
seven point drop in IQ the kids born to some
women in the highest level of a phosphate pesticides.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
That's a massive number.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Huge And that's just one toxin, the ad LAD, and
there's so many other consider we are basically destroying the
brains of our children. Why do we have so much
ADHD and autism. And you know children have unable to
graduate from grammar school and high school being able to
read and things like this. Well, we can throw rocks
at the educational system, and there's reasons to do that.

(47:37):
The problem is that their brains are so damaged. It
is so it is so spary. Personal story. So our son,
we have some very bright kids. You would expect his
mom and his dad are very smart. And so it
was time for him to go to school and to
grammar school. We took him to the various grammar schools
and what we found was that when we went there

(47:58):
for first grade, first of all, looked at the children
and you can see the children, the level of Italia
was very low. Then we said, well, you know he's
already reading in before first grade, and how you are
you going to deal with this? They said, oh, well,
we'll put in the corners and read by himself while
we teach the other people. It's like we've wrecked our society,
We've just directed it.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
How much of health is genetic?

Speaker 4 (48:20):
In your opinion, fifty fifteen person, only fifteen percent of
disease a genetic. I'm not pulling the number out there
it's a huge number of studies that chilled that it's
only fifteen percent. So many people think, well, I'm sick
because my parents were sick. Well, you may have had
an increased susceptibility, but not predetermined. I use my wife

(48:44):
as an example. Every woman in her family died from
complications of autioproosis. Typical thing would be they'd like my
mother in law, I should say, was talking to a
friend and her friend had a dog, and the dog
wrapped her, went around her, you know, wrapped up her legs.
She fell over, hit the ground, broke he hip. She
shouldn't have broken her hip, but she broke her hip
because she had ostioproosis. So it turns out all the

(49:08):
women her family had a genetic susceptibility because of inability
to absorb viamin d acquickly. Okay, so then my wife,
whom we thought, you know, living real healthy diet, taking
what we thought was proper amounts of viamen d we
found that she had osteopenia in her mid forties. We
were so surprised. So then we started saying, ok, what's

(49:31):
going on here? By the way, I was embarrassed here here,
I am this world class expert in natural medicine. My
wife was occopoena going ryan too ostioprocess like her mother
and her aunts and such, and so I started using
all natural therapies I knew of, and her bone density
kept going down and down and down. So then we
had the opportunity to do one of the first genetic

(49:52):
tests available for nutritional tests. We found that there's something
called the viimend receptor sites, and they have genetics that
determine how well they work well. There's six variants that
result in that receptor side not working very well at all.
My wife had all of them. So then we realized, well,
wait a minute, the normal amounts of viomen d are
not enough for her. So then we started giving her.

(50:12):
We started increasing her viomeddy, increasing her viomend, increased her
vioment d. We had to give her twelve thousand units
of viamen d a day for two years in order
to get enough viym D into her body. Here were
decks of down, down down, Oh bym D recepticide problem
find out, and now she's recalcified her bones to the more.
She has more calcium her bones now than when she
was in her forties.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Could somebody take too much vitamin D and actually harm themselves.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
It is possible, it's hard to do, okay.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
So you're okay with constantly increasing until her life.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
We were measuring viomen D levels and by the way,
people asked me, what's the optimal amount of viamin D?
And I'll say, the only way to be sure is
to measure. So I did study. I looked at I'm
not exaggerating here. I looked at over one thousand studies
of viomen D to try to answer the question what's
the help amount of iyman day to give to people?

(51:03):
It turns out it's forty five hundred units, but.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
That's the average.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Some people eight intern units, but just enough other people
ten thousand units were required. But you look at the
data and it's about forty five hundred units. Now, unless
a person has brown skin, then it's spot four thousand units.
They have black skin, it spot thirty five hundred units.
Because black people you like BIOMD more efficiently than black
people do, probably because they have dark skin, which makes

(51:26):
it a harder fend.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
They get buyment D from the sun.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
What can we do in order to have more access
to this kind of information? I find it to be
incredibly difficult to absorb so much of the information. There
are so many different details. Everything depends on an underlying cause.
There are not a lot of doctors like you. Many
doctors like you are not practicing in states like California.
Do you think that technology and AI could possibly bring

(51:53):
to the market more access to natural medicine.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
So. Actually I've been working on a health AI for
several years now and we will be released and hopefully
in September, And basically we help people understand where the
body's not working right okay, and why it's not right
and what to do about it. So, artificial intelligence is
a great tool and I'm very very deep into it
right now.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Especially with measuring right. The key to everything is to
be able to have that autonomy to measure your body
and understand what it is that you're reading about your body.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Yes, so I believe very strongly each person is our
own best doctor, but we have to educate people to
better understand their bodies. About seventy five years ago, conventional
medicine is no longer that now, but they'll say sci
fi years now, it's a good number. Commencial medicine started
disassociating people from their personal responsibility for the health. They

(52:48):
start telling people depend upon doctors, and then the neighborhood healers,
the wise women in the neighborhood we now call them
old wives tales to discredit it, ignore the fact they
existed in the in this community for such a long
periods of time because it worked, or they wanted to
remove the community's ability and individual's ability to take care

(53:08):
of the health, makes them depend on doctors instead.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yes, well, now this is the era of self responsibility
and autonomy now, and I think maybe many people are
waking up a lot time. So if there is something
that we want to do just as civilians, as citizens,
what would you say without getting overwhelmed, because this is
there's a lot to do. What could be you know,
the first and second steps that we can take this
weekend to just clean our bodies and our families bodies.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Culture, refrigerator, throw away everything that's in plastic. Now, if
you can't afford afford that, don't replace it with something
that's in plastic.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Number one.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Number two, go to your kitchen, remove the tough line,
remove the plastic containers, use glass instead, or use there's
some internet ceramic cooking paths way way less toxic. So
just start by just removing your toxic experience. Then now
let's start adding in the organica, growing food, okay, and

(54:06):
all the other things.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
I've talked about.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
It is possible that for the first time, maybe in
your lifetime, there's actual leadership in America that is listening
yes to people like you. Yes, So what would you
like to say to them, given that they're probably listening,
what can they do for America?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Well?

Speaker 4 (54:23):
I tried with Bobby Kennedy about this thirty years ago
when I was still president at Pastor of University.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
He's doing exactly what I wanted him to do.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
So I'm not exactly but almost everything he's doing this
is right on, and you hear what he talks about,
and some people get so upset about it. I look
at finally somebody's saying.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Something about it.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Good. Well, I love ending on this optimistic message and
it's nice to know that there's something that we ourselves
can do to take care of our health. And I
think ultimately that's what natural medicine is about. Yes, So
thank you, doctor, You're a legend. I'm sure people are
going to enjoy learning more from you? How can people
follow you if they want to get some more details?
Are you on social media? Are you still you know,

(55:03):
coming out with new podcasts?

Speaker 4 (55:06):
So I have devoted my career to teaching doctors, so
I don't have a lot of easy accessible consumer things now.
Having said that, I have authored or co author twelve
books at this point.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
So here's why I.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Recommend right there, right and this has available on audible. Yes,
so I'm going to walk in the sun and listen
to you.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
I want to talk about you. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
I want to talk about this bit. Read the book,
but do it too? Many people read the book, what
a great book? And I ask them, so did you
do it? They say, well, I will do it because
what I teach people here is the primary reason people
are sick is because of toxins.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Just a rhythm.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
But don't go on a detox program into your body's ready. See, Yes,
you have to avoid toxins, but then you have to
get what's in the body out. Make sure your gut's
working properly, make sure your liver's working properly, make sure
your kidni's are working properly, because that's how good at
the toxins, So don't steer things up until your body
can get rid of it.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Yeah, I love this about you. You walk the walk,
you really mean it. You want people to actually improve
their lives, and I appreciate that about you.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
I'll go any further. So the first two weeks I
teach people really carefully how to avoid toxins. And we
look at the toxins. There's kind of two categories. We
think males and chemicals, but there's a more clinkly relevant
way persistent versus non persistent. So non persistent means that
it's a chemical or like arsenic, where we were exposed
to as we evolved as a species. We're pretty good

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to get rid of it. Half life from the body
is hours to days. It takes about four half life
to get rid of something. So just stop the exposure.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Get better.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
So the first two weeks I tell people how to
avoid those non persistent toxins. Within two weeks, people will
actually notice feeling better. Within means they're gonna be ready
to graft the persistent toxins. So these are typically mad
made chemicals that were designed to be difficult to break
down by biological systems. That's why they have half lives
measured in months, two years, two decades wow. PCBs. I

(57:04):
mentioned that in room to arthritis, half life of pcbst
is ten years. So every time you go and eat
farmed fish, you're putting PCBs in your body, which may
be with you for the rest of your life. But
here's something actually optimistic. Half the people in my birth cohort,
you know you're I was born, are dead now. Most

(57:25):
of the rest are full of disease. I'm not, my
wife's not. My colleagues who practice natural medicine, They're not
full of disease. We have tremendous ability to be healthy.
I don't care what person is right now. I don't
care what disease they have.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Right now.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
You can make differences in your life that you can
experience benefit from within a week, within two weeks.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
So let's say your father or your grandfather, did they
practice the same way of life and did they live
as long as you, God willing, are going to live?

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I wish I might compare with me. I'll show you
a slide. So, and when I'm giving a lecture on
neurological health how to avoid primal toxins, I have a
picture of my great grandfather, my grandfather, my father, and
me as a little kid about seven years old, I said, okay,
well here we have this four generations.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
What happened.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
My great grandfather lived the mediterrane lifestyle, roll out of
his own food and was before there was much toxicity,
lived at age ninety five, never saw doctor in his life,
had no apparent disease. My grandfather half the American lifestyle,
half the healthy Italian lifestyle that he grew up with.

(58:34):
He also made it to ninety five, but he had
a fair amount of cronk disease. Okay, and you ended
up having a where my great grandfather living it independently
until you decided he was done with life. My grandfather
needed twenty years of assistant living. My dad, my love
dearly standard American diet, smoked, stop smoking, smart, you know,

(58:54):
strong willed, but then stopped smoking. My dad died at
eighty eight matarthriters, heart disease, atar thrice, dementia, all these
deactive diseases because even though he had similar genext to
his parents and his grandfather, he wrecked everything by basically
putting in poisons and not having nutrients that he needed.

(59:15):
So I want to be like my great grandfather. Okay,
not like my father.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Wow, I guess that's some data for you.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yes, in my own family. It was really clear.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Amazing. Well, doctor Pisarno, thank you for being a legend,
and thank you for fighting for us. I know it
has not been easy, but this has been your moment.
This is your moment, and we're just we're really grateful
that we have some brave people out there who truly
truly care about our health.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Thank you, well, thank you, and thanks for all you
do to promote health. It is really remarkable.

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