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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is on the air.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
The Democrat Party does not fight for, care about, or
represent American citizens. It is an entity devoted exclusively to
the defense of hardened criminals, gang bankers, and illegal alien
killers and terrorists.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Now, Donald Trump, you know he trashed Oakland, he lied
about us, But Oakland is not afraid.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
We embrace all.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Residents, including our immigrant communities.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Our police do not cooperate with Ice.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
We don't.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
As the mayor of the city, I can tell you
the Chicagoans are not calling for military occupation. They are
calling for the same thing that we've been calling for
for some time, and that's investment. What safe cities across
America all have in common, they invest in people. And
that's what we're doing in Chicago. We cannot incarcerate our

(01:14):
way out of violence.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
We've already tried that.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
If we've ended up with the largest prison population in
the world without solving the problems of crime and violence,
the addiction on jails and incarceration in this country, we
have moved past that. It is racist, it is immoral,
it is unholy, and it.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Is not the way to drive Bob, It's down.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
The Somerup administration is said all along that their actions
on immigration are to make America safer.

Speaker 7 (01:41):
So, as a member of the Homeland Security Committee, what
you see in those pictures is it making America safer?

Speaker 8 (01:47):
No, it's terrorizing Americans, our friends and neighbors otherwise known
as immigrants, many of them, but Chris will not helpless.
Democratic attorneys general in these states have their own law
enforcement abilities, and I would recommend that I have recommended
to them use those capabilities.

Speaker 7 (02:07):
Give us an example of how well, if.

Speaker 8 (02:09):
These agents are committing assault or battery, you can charge
them with assault and battery.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
So we're not We're not helpless. You should meet their
chaos with chaos.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Having done the work I've done, it is our undocumented
immigrants that are the least likely.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
To commit across.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
The allegation of groomer and parophile, it is alleging that
a person is criminal somehow engaging criminal acts merely because
of their ignity.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
They brief programming note, many of you will not like this.
Some of our news directors and program directors don't like this.
And I understand that. I do understand that there was
a mass or there was a shooting today in Mogadishu,
which some people still call Minneapolis in minnesot There will

(02:59):
be more of these as the violent crime increases in
the big cities unless the president moves the National Guard
into all of them. Is amazing. In two weeks new
murders in DC. When news emerged of a shooting, Fox
went wall to wall, as did other networks, and they

(03:19):
bring in Ted Williams. He's the black guy that was
in the f bar or whatever, and he's the expert
on all school shootings, and they fill a bunch of time,
and they keep the screen on and they keep hoping
for briefings and tell us what's going on?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Us going on?

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I have somebody else come on, because what they really
want to do, they're in the business of keeping you
glued to the television.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Well.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
They show lots of pictures of parents who are sobbing
and scared and shrieking, and kids who are scared. And
I believe that you get copycat killings because you overcover
these events. And I believe that everybody in news media
does it. Everybody. I think it is a crutch that

(04:03):
the industry learned after Columbine because they realize that people
are fascinated with and mildly obsessed with mass shootings. It's
rubbernecking on steroids. They cannot turn away. When you're driving
along and you see an accident on the side of

(04:24):
the road and you're creeping, you can't go any faster,
and he says, so aggravating, why can't we go? Do
you stop and turn in look or not? Because everybody
says they hate that the traffic slows down when there's
an accident over to the side of the road, but
everybody wants to see what happened. And the bloodier it is,
the more they want to see it, the more they

(04:45):
slow down. And this is a sensationalized society that thrives
on violence. There's no way around that. We cannot deny that.
You can say you don't, but you do. We unfortunately,
have to meet violence with violence because that's what the
left is bringing. That's the violence in the streets of

(05:08):
the major cities. The President was invited by the governor
of Maryland to walk the streets of Baltimore, and he
said absolutely not, no, not till we get it cleaned up.
It's dangerous. We can't make it safe. I'm not going there,
it's unsafe. So while Fox News went wall to wall
with this shooting before they had any details, because they

(05:31):
decided that we'll get the biggest audience. And they must
be right. They're in the business, they know what they're doing.
Guess what wasn't covered things that matter to you. You're
not honoring the victims. You're not making us better when
you go wall to wall constantly talk about shootings. So
I simply don't do it. And if you are a

(05:53):
person who comes to our show wanting to hear me
talk about the Pulse nightclub shooting or the Columbine shooting
or any of the others, I don't do it. I
won't do it. And not only do I not do it,
I think that by talking about it, analyzing it, reading

(06:15):
the manifesto of the killer, going into his background, trying
to figure out who he is, arguing over the whites
want it to be a black guy and the blacks
wanted to be a white guy. All of that is nonsense.
All of it. It's a crime. It'll be investigated and
hopefully it'll be prosecuted. That's the way I look at

(06:36):
every single shooting like that. But when you elevate those things.
You create a situation where a person who is desperate
for their thoughts to get out, they figured it all out,
and the world doesn't understand. Ted Kazinski didn't send bombs
into mail as a proof of concept of his prowess
at rigging up a mail bomb. He did it because

(06:59):
if he killed an enough people, you'd read his manifesto. Well,
I'm not reading his manifesto and I'm not giving any
credence to school shootings. I haven't mentioned this in a while,
but since I had some emails from folks asking me
what happened in Mogadishu today aka Minneapolis. Now you know
the answer. Now, guess what didn't get covered because of

(07:20):
all that, because there's only space for Well, that's what
we're going to catch you out what really matters. The
Michael Berry Show. Michael Berry Show. I have come to
admire Donald Trump's ability to strategize messaging and his ability
to entrap democrats, getting them to do what he wants

(07:43):
them to do against their wishes, with a media that's
out to get him, and he's only one man. It
really is a masterclass. We've never seen anything like this,
and I doubt we're seeing it like this again. Here
he is at the cabinet meeting yesterday, his seventh cabinet

(08:06):
meeting in seven months, and they're all televised, which we
talked about yesterday, and he says he's basically he says, hey,
we're going to make the streets safer, and the Democrats
go crazy.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
You can't do that, you can't make.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
The streets safer. And he's basically pointing out that he
has laid a trap for them that they've fallen into.
They're now having to claim it's safe when they know
it's not. And they're now having to claim they'd rather
murders continue than him fix the problem.

Speaker 9 (08:40):
We're putting America first, and we're going to be putting
the America worker first. And you know, the Republican Party
has picked up four million new people, four million. The
Democrats have lost two and a half million. Other than that,
they're extremely happy. No, they're very depressed. They're very depressed.

(09:01):
And the new box that they've fallen into his crime.
Who was a consultant on one of the shows this
morning I was watching.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
I thought he was very good.

Speaker 9 (09:10):
He's a Democrat consultant and he was screaming, no, no,
don't let him do this to you. Don't let It's
another trap.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's another trap.

Speaker 9 (09:20):
What he's talking about, like men playing in women's sports.
They said, that's an eighty twenty. Now it's a ninety
seven three. It's ninety seven three. Like transgender for everybody
they fought for it, that's still fighting for it. I
saw a guy today, a politician that you all know
very well, fighting like hell for men playing in women's sports.

(09:44):
You don't understand they're human beings. Also, well, I agree
they're human beings, but you can't have a seven foot
guy playing basketball with the women and just one of
those little problems in life. And we all have a
place six okay, got my place too.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
But this guy's screaming, it's another trap.

Speaker 9 (10:05):
And this is the worst of all he said, because
this is crime. Trump is saying he's against crime, and
therefore crime.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
He's going it was funny. No, it's a trap, don't
do it.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
So then what happens next He calls on a reporter
from the Epic Times and she tells the story of
being pistol whipped in DC.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
So, first of all, thank you, miss a meal.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
You want to listen to this ralping me here to
share my story to the room and to.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
The bottom public.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
My name is Avis Tuman, Whitehouse Burst Fund and for
him to be the sister media of the Epoch Times.
So I went in two years ago OVERO was a
Saturday morning and broad daylight is all my way to work,
and a young man with a lack Ski mask one
other gun in my face and threatened me to hand
over my phone, by wallet, my laptop and everything else.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
And when I'm.

Speaker 10 (11:00):
Refused, he used the butt of his handgun to striking
you across the face and the cheek, where with some
people called pistol with me before running away. And that's
deeply traumatized myself and my family ever since. I've never
dared to walk in the street of DC at night ever,
and my family was extremely worried. So, mister President, thank

(11:23):
you so much for what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
More thank you for being honest.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
Such incidents involved notches me, but also my family.

Speaker 7 (11:30):
If he had shot me, I could have.

Speaker 11 (11:32):
Died right there in the middle of nowhere with all
my families or my friends, you know, at the age
of back then, I think twenty twenty three, just starting
my career here in BC without you is starting a family.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
We're now very blessed to have this alteration.

Speaker 9 (11:45):
So you had a gun point in your head, and
you probably figured.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
That he's going to pull the trigger, because these.

Speaker 9 (11:50):
Are animals that don't know what the hell later they
couldn't care less. Pulling the trigger to him is a
very minor event, and I'm sure he's done it before.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
So how did you?

Speaker 9 (11:59):
And you did refuse to give it, which would probably
maybe somebody would say that was not the right decision, right,
But you refused but I understand that so so and
then he hit you real hard. Yes, it's really amazing
that you were a shot though.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
I'm very blessed and that's why I happened this opportunity
to stand here to share my story today. One I'm
very grateful for God for allowing me to still survive
to this day, but also to miss still President.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
Thank you for now making DC sate.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Thank you very much for us.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
For our families, for my parents on behalf of my
parents and now my baby on the way.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Thank you so much. It's only one person and one incident,
but anecdotes have a way of making a point in a.

Speaker 12 (12:48):
Way that cold soul of statistics, no matter how frightening
they are, don't she wasn't the only reporter there who
was a crime victim.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
Just a few weeks ago.

Speaker 8 (13:02):
I was off to dinner with my husband and you know, we're.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
Taking the metro back, and then we got talking the metro.

Speaker 12 (13:08):
They're throwing things, some teenagers, you know, throwing liquid at us.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Oh, they're throwing things.

Speaker 9 (13:12):
They throw How about where they chop down the granite
curves and the concrete curves.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
But the granite curves so expensive. You know, those granite curbs.
Nobody uses them because they're so expensive.

Speaker 9 (13:23):
And you see a guy chopping them and handing out
big chunks of them like a brick because they couldn't
get in because people were stopping them from walking out.
A little bit unusual when you walk up with a
bag of bridge generally speaking, shown that's not a good sign.
It's not a good sign. But they now come in
with hammers. They can disguise a hammer, and they start
pounding the concrete and the granite and they hand out chunks,

(13:45):
and those people take those chunks and start throwing their
cups or they stand on the top of bridges and
they drop them down into the windshield of your car
and you get killed running into a light poles.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Those days are over.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
I wanted to ask you, Governor Local, how the vocal
said that she spoke to you on the phone and
you said you might send National Guard troops to New York.

Speaker 7 (14:08):
You mentioned that, So I'm Willie.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I'd love to do it.

Speaker 9 (14:11):
If she'd like, I get along with Kathy. If she'd
like to do that, I would do it. You see,
New York is difficulty like and I don't want.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
To make this bike. I want to make this like friendly.

Speaker 9 (14:23):
But the places we're talking about happened to be virtually
all Democrat run. Now take a look at your twenty
five places that are most troubled everyone except maybe one,
and it's way back in number twenty four or twenty five,
but essentially twenty five out of twenty five are run

(14:43):
by Democrats.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
And cashless veil was a disaster when.

Speaker 9 (14:47):
They did that, and I believe it was instituted first
to New York. But when they did cashless veil, that
was a tragedy for this because that's when it really started.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
It really started getting bad.

Speaker 9 (14:57):
When somebody kills somebody, you don't say you can come out.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
You don't have to put up anything. You put that person.

Speaker 9 (15:04):
In jail and you find out whether or not it's true.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
But you don't give cashless bail with a promise to
come back in a couple of months. We'll start talking
to you.

Speaker 9 (15:14):
Because they go out and they kill other people and
you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
It's very simple. We've got savages in our society and
the question is are you going to when they commit crimes?
Are you going to throw them in a cage? Are
you let them keep killing people? Because they'll never stop it.
It's not a complicated issue. Michael Berry's show, Michael Berry Show.
Highly successful people, especially men's, can be off putting, rub

(15:41):
people the wrong way, pure to be arrogant on different
words you can use for this by other people when
they state things that are true but hurtful to people
who are easily offended. You see this in many aspects

(16:03):
of life. Many folks, in fact, most folks, in fact,
almost all folks say I want you to tell them
the truth, and I want you beat around a bush. They say,
I want politicians to speak directly to me. I don't
want them to pander, but that's not true because when

(16:28):
a politician does do that, they don't like it. Social Security,
for instance, social Security is going to run out, but
they're not going to let it run out. They're going
to bankrupt the nation over it. We will end up
being a nation where everybody is on Social Security. That

(16:49):
is a socialized welfare state. And that's what we're doing.
When social Security began, people were receiving Social Secure who
hadn't paid for it. But guess what, they were old folks,
and old folks are reliable voters, very reliable, and nobody
wants to mess with them. So you had a congressman

(17:12):
named Claude Pepper, and he was quite famous for organizing
the old people, and you had an association for old people,
the AARP, and Claude Pepper used to love to tell
how powerful the AARP was and that you'll never touch
social security. Okay, well, well what if we don't have

(17:32):
the money for it anymore, you'll never touch it. No
one will dare speak out against social Security, and rarely
does anyone. Rick Perry was running for governor in twenty
twelve and he said, social Security is going to run out.
It's going to run out in about fifteen years. We
can't afford it. So right now they're in the process

(17:56):
of peeling back just to touch some of these social
Security benefits. But if you look at an actuarial table,
if you actually look at this the way you would
look at a business or your personal family budget, it
cannot continue, not in this form. Now you have a

(18:16):
unique situation where people who get Social Security feel like
they get too little of it, And anybody looking at
social Security would say, it's an outlay we cannot afford. Now,
one of the things President Trump is doing is getting
people off of the Social Security roles and other governmental

(18:37):
benefits who don't belong there because they're dead. So who's
cashing that check? They're illegal. If you clean those things up,
you could buy yourself a few more years. But the
same Democrats who told you we've got it's a human right.
Everything's a human right. Social Security is a human right.

(18:58):
Got to keep people on there. Those republic just want
to kick you off. Vote for me, vote for me.
They want to kick you off. Ben Franklin one of
the great founders. He was eighty two, I believe. As
the Constitutional Convention came to a close and the question
was asked what type of government had been had been constructed,
and he said, a republic if we can keep it.

(19:19):
Ben Franklin at his age, was circumspect as to this
document that was trying to restrict the human urge for failure,
the human urge or an authoritarian government, the human urge
or comfort over freedom. And he also said something that

(19:44):
I've always thought was just absolutely brilliant. He said, when
people discover they can vote themselves money, that is the
end of the republic. When people discover they can vote
themselves money, that is the end of the republic. So

(20:05):
you take social Security, I'm using that as an example.
It's not in the news today or I haven't seen
it in the news day anyway. When you say, hey,
we need to look at social Security, because I don't
know if you know this, but here's the run, here's
the projection. It goes bankrupt, we're gonna have nothing in

(20:25):
the account, so we need to look at what we're
gonna do. You would immediately have what you've seen at
the DNC meetings for the last week, screeching and hollering.
One woman, I guess it's a woman. She don't have
any hair on top of her head, but she screeches.
It's a little deeper of it. Anyway. She says she's
gonna be in the street with pitchforks if they take
her social security. She wants her social security. Is she

(20:48):
gonna get her soci security if she didn't, gonna have
pitchfork and basically gonna be riots and violence, And she
probably means it. She's at a DNC meeting, And so
you try to look at a problem facing our nation,
and you cannot have an adult conversation. You can't have

(21:09):
a conversation for people that understand anything about how to
run a business or a personal family budget. I guarantee
you that particular woman about whom I'm talking her own
personal budget. I bet you she has credit cards that
are maxed out that she's never paid. I bet you
she goes to restaurants and orders food each three quarters
of it and says, there's a hair in it. It's horrible.
It's terrible. Bring her another one. It always makes me laugh.

(21:31):
Everybody should wait tables. Everybody should do a stint waiting tables.
You will learn a lot about stereotypes and demographics and people,
and some people will defy the stereotype, and you'll be delighted,
and some people will affirm it, and you'll be depressed,
and you'll realize that some people have absolutely no respect

(21:55):
or a server of food at a restaurant, and you
realize that people will come in knowing before they entered
that the economics of the industry are. If a person
comes to your table and brings you food and does
a great job with a great attitude, the expectation is
at a minimum that you'll give them ten percent of
the bill, and it's kind of built in, right, and

(22:17):
those people will go, no, not me. Other people can
pay for that person. I'm going to tip a penny,
and a penny is always worse than nothing, because if
there's nothing, maybe they didn't realize you were expecting a tip,
But a penny says, yeah, I could give you some money,
but I'm not going to. Well, if nobody tipped, then
the restaurant would have to raise the price of the

(22:39):
dish or do away with servers. And I guess you'd
go to the counter. But there's a reason they came
for the server. Now the tipping game's gotten out of hand.
Don't get me wrong. You go in and order something
and the woman types it in and then she spends
that iPad around. So you have an opportunity and they've
pre selected eighteen twenty twenty two, or if you'd like more,
what did you do for the tip? I get that

(23:00):
that has nothing to do with the tipping that I'm
talking about, although ramon, that's the subject for another day
that we will also have. But I started on this
point because President Trump speaks very directly, and many things
that the left will then pick at to try to
reduce his authority. His moral authority is. They will say

(23:23):
he's arrogant. So President Trump made the statement, Hey, you
just sat, it's our seventh cabinet meeting. They've all been televised,
and now I'm asking you all now, letting you ask
me all these direct questions. And you sat. You'd see
Biden every few months and you'd ask him one question.

(23:43):
It was always the ice cream question, and he'd say, uh, vanilla,
and y'all would all clap like seals. You should appreciate me,
and you know what, He's right. Forget being a member
of the media, forget who you wanted to win, forget
your politics. Everybody in the country should be grateful problems
are being solved, the president's answering questions, there is transparency.

(24:08):
You don't know, I do not I don't keep half
of the body. You'll bring me my way ardical FERI
if this was President Trump's statement, and you know, sometimes
you have to state things that seem abundantly clear. You

(24:31):
almost seem like Captain obvious. And the reason for that
is the public's mind set. The public's attention is yanked
here and there, just on the television. At any given time,
you've got the main story, which might be a split

(24:52):
screen of a host and whoever their guest is, you
can't keep them on more than a few seconds. Everything
is always, well, we're out of time, We're gonna go
to this nest guy. We're out of times. Why didn't
you have enough time that we can between the intro
and the exit and that we're out of time. You
could have had an actual interview where we learned something,

(25:15):
But no, we're constantly we're always out of time, We're
always in a rush. We can't oh, well, we can't
answer that now, and so that's probably a split screen.
And then you've got breaking news at the bottom. At
all times, there's always breaking news, even if it's been
breaking news for six hours, and then you've got to
and then you've got to scroll down at the bottom,

(25:36):
which is a whole different set of information, and maybe
over at the rights you've got some more information. So
for the brain, our brain is not built for twenty
twenty five. Our brain is built for two thousand BC.
Now we have adapted, we've learned to we've learned to

(26:03):
operate in this environment, but it doesn't mean that we're
set up for it's not peak efficiency. So with all
of the if everything is a breaking news, big story,
you got to hear this, then nothing is. So things
that were the biggest news of the year on Monday
by Tuesday are literally forgotten. I could read you ten

(26:25):
news stories right now that are less than thirty days old,
and you'd say, way, what, Yeah, it's only been a
year since the president was shot in the head. It
feels like ten, doesn't it. That's because we're jamming all
these new things into our brain. So when the president speaks,
he has to remember consciously to remind you of things

(26:45):
that you might have forgotten, like this, Okay.

Speaker 9 (26:50):
Let's you know what I think, I think this, and
you have not had this happen for four years, you said,
And you'd ask one question to Biden, and it was
always the ice cream question, right, what flavor ice cream?
I like?

Speaker 3 (27:09):
But not a lot? And that was the end of
the conference.

Speaker 9 (27:13):
I think now we've done this, we see if we're
very busy. I want to just think this is the
greatest this has never been done before. First of all,
a cabinet meeting was it was sacred. You'd never let
the fake news media. But the fake news media is
an all fake A lot of it is, but it's
not all. I think it's a great thing. I think

(27:33):
it's maybe.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
It's going to be done in the future. I hope
it's going to be done. But you really get the
word out. I mean, we had each one of these
people spoke. I think each one.

Speaker 9 (27:43):
If I thought one of them did badly, I would
call that person out.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
I was Christy, what what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
No?

Speaker 3 (27:51):
But seriously, you have a very talented group of people.

Speaker 9 (27:55):
They get along, they work along together, and there's something
really nice about just you know the openness of what
we're doing.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
It's government. It's an open government. That's what we are.
And we haven't made too many mistakes. We maybe will,
but we haven't made too many mistakes. We've called it right.
And I think you can be very proud of your country.
We are a respected country again.

Speaker 9 (28:18):
We are really right now, respected at the highest level,
and we're doing great.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
And we're a very rich country. Again.

Speaker 9 (28:25):
It's very rich, and that's a good thing because when
we're rich, we can take care of poor.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
And that's what we're doing, and we're taking care of crime.

Speaker 9 (28:32):
And I hope just in finishing I hope that Illinois,
I hope that New York.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
I hope that.

Speaker 9 (28:38):
Californ I hope they call me and they say, I'd
love to have you come in and help us out.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
I will be a totally different person with them. I
will respect them from doing it. Thank you all very much.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
So what the President is doing in that situation is
he's telling the people of those states to put pressure
on their governors and mayors. Their governors and mayors, half
of whom are planning to run against him for president.
They don't want to work with Trump, and they don't
care about the crime because they have their own private

(29:11):
security for or their own publicly funded security force. And
so it puts them as the inflection point from people
who are tired of being mugged, tired of living in
a state of crime. I don't know if it was
the Morning Show or this show that I told the story.
The other day, I was watching a video this past

(29:31):
weekend and it was in San Francisco, the smash and
grab capital.

Speaker 9 (29:36):
And.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
They were showing that people leave their hatchbacks up, which
is what the police have urged them to do, so
that so that the thieves, rather than smash the window
to get inside and see what's in the vehicle, they
can come up and check and make sure, Okay, you
don't have anything in the vehicle. Okay, I won't break
into your window here. That's how bad things have gotten.

(30:02):
Can you imagine living where you live, leaving your hatchback
up so that anybody could call anybody, any possum, any raccoon,
any cat any world could get inside your vehicle, or
any bad guy. But that is better than them smashing
the window and stealing your stuff, because you've been a
victim of that, and so has everybody else that you know,

(30:23):
when we are talking about crime and safety, we are winning.
You have to remember that if you want to win elections,
you have to talk about the things that we have
the majority on. Independent voters like our position on this

(30:45):
better than theirs. Now, I tell people this all the time.
You can shut down abortion, you can restrict it, you
can reduce it, you can fund efforts to protest it.
All of that is fine, but when you make abortion
a big political issue, you lose. We've done it again

(31:10):
and again and again. Michael, I thought you were pro life.
I am. I absolutely am. But I also know I've
seen the numbers, and I've seen the elections when we
make that Democrat strategist try to make that's why abortion
comes up at every election. Abortion is not on table,

(31:30):
nobody's bothering anybody over. They make it an issue because
that's how they get independent voters to vote against their
own personal safety, their own personal finance, their own children
in school, a little girl who now boys are going
to compete against. But they'll go, I can't do away
with abortion, and we lose it when we stay focused
on the issues that matter, crime and safety, personal finance.

(32:00):
Crime first of all, crime and safety includes guns. Believe
it or not, a lot of independent voters, especially men,
but increasingly women, want to be able to keep their gun,
their personal carry. They no longer trust the government to
protect them. They've seen how that plays out when we

(32:21):
are focused on we are the party against crime. That's
what the whole George flood was. The thing was about.
The Democrats were looking for it. Remember they had Brianna,
they had all these different cases. They had the Kyle
Rittenhouse case. They were looking for a case where they
could make cops the bad guys so they could beat
the Republicans. So if you were calling for safer streets,

(32:41):
you were calling for more cops, and cops a bad guys.
They won that issue that election. They give them credit
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