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I received an email from someone who I don't believe
I had received an email from before. He's from college station.
I didn't recognize the name, and it was about tributes
to Charlie Kirk. And at the bottom below his name
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where he's from and his phone number was a quote,
as many people will sometimes put a Bible verse or
an inspirational online, and the quote went as follows. They
thought they would bury Charlie Kirk. Little did they know
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he was a seed. And I've thought about that. I
received it yesterday afternoon and I was in the middle
of furiously scribbling notes for the show and just random
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assorted facts and details and trying to figure out some
way to bring it all together into one cohesive and
that one just an explosion went off. They thought they
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would bury Charlie Kirk. Little did they know he was
a seed. Americans have a tendency that can be our
strength and our weakness, depending of forgetting things, suppressing them,
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and moving on. And I'm always hesitant to think, well,
this one is going to cut through. But I tell
you what, it's been since Wednesday afternoon when all of
this happened, and I don't recall a reaction like this
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since nine to eleven. And in many ways, nine to
eleven did not unify people, It did not bring people together.
There is this desperate need many Americans have because they
just don't understand the left and what the left has become,
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that we're all gonna get along as if there will
be hand in hand with Jasmine Krockett figuring out ways
to improve the country, and ilhan Omar will be singing
amazing grace, and AOC will have her head bowed for
the future of this country, and Chuck Schumer will join
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in and Hakeem Jeffries and it'll all be good. We'll
all get a which is somewhere between absurd and ridiculous.
Charlie Kirk was killed Central Time early Wednesday afternoon. Wednesday night.
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We had an entire show plan and we scrapped that
and we just focused on trying to bring some perspective
to this situation. Thursday, we did all five hours just
Charlie and I resolved on Thursday evening when we walked away,
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and I was emotionally drained, and I knew I was
in a spot where you say things that you'll regret
that I needed to stop, because having heard myself talk
about it for so long, I know that there comes
a point where I'm tired of talk talking, and I
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want to say things that are provocative. I believe them.
This isn't shock jock stuff. I believe these things. But
I start wanting to say things that I can't walk back.
So I decided I was going to take Friday and
the weekend off, not from consuming thought on the matter,
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but from contributing any and I would start back on Monday.
And here we are, and that's what we'll do. We
will take calls, but the lines aren't open. It will
be a little later in the show. I received a
number of emails that have some version of I'm embarrassed
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I had never heard of Charlie Kirk or I'm embarrassed
I didn't know much about him.
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And.
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You know, I look at that situation as a positive.
Charlie Kirk's Instagram account, I read, went from one point
six million followers to over eleven million. When I heard it,
it was maybe Saturday evening. The line was that it
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had gone from one point six million to over ten million,
and turning point, USA had released that well by the
time I checked it a few hours late, it was
I think eleven and a half million. In death, the
work he left has been reviewed by exponentially more people,
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and you think, well, I'd rather he be alive and
continue his ministry, of course. But if there's one thing
we should take away from that is that any if
any one of us leaves this earth in the next
ten minutes, what would you leave that if poured over,
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you'd say, I have run my race, I have done
my job. I am proud of the work I did
with the gifts I was given and the limited amount
of time. Because I will once I is the last
words of a fool. The road to hell is paved
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with the best intentions, and I think to myself, here's
a guy thirty one years old, who in you basically
started at about seventeen, turning point USA at eighteen. Here's
a guy in about fourteen years of quote unquote public
life coming out of nowhere like a meteor, leaves a
body of work, an entire organization. A widow will place
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some of her comments in a moment and a nation
inspired and motivated, because grief in an of itself is
a passing experience. But to be motivated and inspired and
committed as I've seen, I think we will look back
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on this moment, I hope so as one of the
great moments. They thought they would bury Charlie Kirk. Little
did they know he was a scene gut. Kirk was
a bad dude. The Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Cut Lalis Karyns one good maggage is all that a day.
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Let's start with Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow, speaking from
his podcast studio. This will be clip number one, talking
about a movement. I think it is natural for people
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to overlook their role in making something happen, as if
they are simply passive onlookers to history that's being made.
And in that sense, it's easy to lionize someone, whether
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that be Trump or Charlie Kirk, and that he is
the God. And I will worship passively from abroad. I
will wail and teeth gnash and lament and cry. I've
not been able to go to work, I've not been
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able to dry my eyes, I've not been able to
leave the house. And then there is this sudden, frenzied
burst of emotion and when it passes, one goes back
to one's life. But that's not how movements are built.
Movements are understanding that a piece of that legacy lives
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on in the individual, and that's far more powerful. That's
the seed that you want buried. So here is his wife,
who didn't ask for the situation. She is a former,
I believe, miss Arizona. She was his wife for a
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number of years, and as a person who was primarily,
before anything else, a teacher, I think in many ways
he taught her, he sculpted her to be the person
that he imagined, the person that he believed in, the
person that he trusted, the person he invested in. And
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we're all being prepared for that big battle, that big moment,
we just may not realize it. And boy has she
risen up to it. Here she is talking about the movement,
and you can't kill the movement.
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I will never ever have the words to describe the
loss that I feel in my heart. I honestly have no.
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Idea what any of this means. I know that God does,
but I don't. But Charlie, baby, I know you do too.
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I know you do.
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So what is our Lord? And our world is filled
with evil? But our God, you guys, are God is
so good, so incredibly good.
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And we know that for those who love God, all
things work together for good, for those who are called
according to His purpose.
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Already I have seen.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
The worldwide outpouring of love for my husband. I've heard
the testimonies from people my husband inspired to get married,
to start families, to seek out a relationship with God.
It's the most important, most important one of all. The
evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea what
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they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a
message of patriotism, of faith, and of God's merciful love.
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But they should all know this. If you thought that
my husband's mission was powerful, before. You have no idea.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
You have no idea what you just have unleashed across
this entire country, in this world.
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You have no idea. You have no idea.
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The fire that you have ignited within.
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This wife, the cries of this widow will echo around
the world like a battle cry.
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To everyone listening tonight across America. The movement my husband
built will not die.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It won't.
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I refuse to let that happen. It will not die.
All of us will refuse to let that happen. No
one will ever forget my husband's name, and I will
make sure of it. It will become stronger, older, louder,
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and greater than ever. My husband's mission will not end,
not even for a moment.
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One of the things that people have said to me is,
I'm embarrassed I heard much of Charlie Kirk. And my
response to that is, but I bet you've watched every
Don Lemon interview. I bet you've watched everything Anderson Cooper said,
and Jake Capper. Fill your mind with things that sustain
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you and improve you.
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Jello putting bops, Posen putting on.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
A state show, Jello brand pudding pops, Maybe the goodness
of real jello pudding.
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I tried not to overstate things that are a momentary
flash in the pan. But in twenty years of doing
this show, and before that, for several years being in
Houston politics, I have never had a moment where I
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felt people were more deeply engaged and personally committed to
solving problems than I have with this And that would
include nine to eleven. Because nine to eleven left people
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confused and uncertain. There wasn't a place to focus energy.
What were we to do? We had enemies in our
midst We knew who they were, They told us, and
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they acted on it. And so George Bush, very cleverly
and I think cynically set about finding a place to
channel that energy elsewhere we'll go declare war on people,
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even if that really has nothing to do with what
just happened. We knew where Osama bin Laden was, and
in fact, Osama bin Laden could have been strafed the
area where he was, and a couple one hundred people
around him would have died. And it is only the
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white man's guilt that says no, no, no, the world
will condemn us. We'd rather send our boys to death
in Afghanistan and then inexplicably in Iraq because for some
reason they won't condemn us for that, and then we
will condemn ourselves to setting off terrorism in those regions
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from all of the folks that we attack and the
bombs we drop and we wipe out the idealism of
a generation, most of whom came to un understand that
Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction and weren't involved
in the Osama bin Laden plot at all. All the way,
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all the while, our heads so far up Saudi Arabia's
ass that we could taste what the crown prince had
for breakfast, but by all means, let's send our boys
to die for him. There was never a real unifying
element to that. It was never the idea that I
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have a role in this. There were a lot of
young Marcus Latrel's who that did inspire them, and they
did here am I send me, raise their hand to
go and fight in wars, and they did amazing things.
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But this is the first time Stateside that there was
an understanding not of a shared enemy, but a shared goal.
The Left has done such a wonderful impressive job at
making especially white Christian Americans ashamed of the very things
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that make them proud, very things they have worked toward,
the very things that the left lives off of while
trying to destroy peace and prosperity and opportunity. I've never
had this number of people reach out to me with
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a resolute conviction commitment to engage. And you say, sort
of hold your manhood cheap, don't you? When here's a
guy putting himself out in front of crowds of people
on a daily basis, knowing they're making death threats about him,
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as they had the day before. There is too much
to be coincidental. A series of commentary online of this
very confident, not threatening, confident commentary that he would be
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killed the next day, and he was the sites where
it occurred to people who were involved. It's clear to me.
And yet he didn't stop. And I don't mean engaged online.
I don't mean the idea of simply posting to a page.
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I mean personally, small acts going to church. A lot
of people went to church yesterday who had not been
to church in a long time, a lot of people.
That might seem like a small act. It's a profound act,
but it's an act. It took a Sunday morning of
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altering one schedule, I received the following email. Had a
visit at our church today. He said he hadn't been
in a church building in twenty years. He said the
assassination led him to realizing he needed to be at church.
He grew up in a church in Alvin, but moved
up to the Conroe area. He discussed how his eighteen
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year old son is not a believer and has no interest.
He said he has failed as a father to lead
his son to Christ. After service, he said he would
do his best to get his son to come with
him next Sunday. Don't know how this will work out,
but it was awesome to see and that was under
the led the headline blessing through the tragedy. This case
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brings up a number of things, including parenting and the
fact that the young man whose name I won't say,
who is believed to have pulled the trigger, was not
raised in a dysfunctional home or a liberal home. In fact,
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it's amazing how many young conservatives today were not raised
in a conservative home, but in a liberal home. And
they rejected that nonsense. They saw it for what it was.
But he was raised in a seemingly stable home by
seemingly stable parents. His mother worked with special needs disabled kids.
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His father had spent some time in law enforcement, was
active as a lay leader in the Mormon Church. But
as often happens, this young man enjoyed the fruits of
that stability and sought for whatever reason. And there are
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often many to take a different course. And once he
fell into the infectious cult of leftism, tinged as it
is in anger, resentment, he spiraled. And you see that
happen in a number of different ways. It is a
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mental drug, and it is all consuming, no less so
than heroine or any other. And as he did this,
and he goes to his father, I do I pray
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for his father. His father had to make the decision
to turn him in. Yes, it's the right thing, but wow,
I would not wish that on my worst enemy. To
Michael Barry Show, simple man, a guy who's an online
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writer who I only know is a Twitter personality, posted yesterday.
Despite all my bluster, I didn't share his videos as
much as I should have, even I was nervous of
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the association. And that's what they do. They pit us
against each other. They assigned categories to us, that we
reject and we reject each other because we don't realize
that what was done to them is being done to us.
And I didn't share enough of his work because I
was by vestigial connection to the left that so betrayed me.
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It's interesting to watch so many people do what Jesse
Jackson did. When Martin Luther King Junior was assassinated. He
appeared in the streets with what was supposed to be
Martin Luther King Junior's shirt, and he held in his
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hand the bloody shirt of the murdered Martin, and that
would launch the ever ambitious Jesse Jackson that Martin Luther
King had so many doubts about and had kept slightly
beneath where he'd liked to be within the organization. But
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that was Jesse Jackson's moment. He was going for the crown,
and in so doing, he would refer to their relationship
in way that Abernathy and others around would say simply
were not true. But that's what he had to do.
He had to step over the body to elevate himself
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a few more inches. And I've noticed that some in
the commentariat, who as late as two weeks before had
openly criticized Charlie Kirk, including claiming he was not a Christian,
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the worst kind of Christian now clinging to his corpse
because that's where the gold dust is these days. And
I've noticed how many people the first time ever I've
seen them ey stole his virtues and some have the
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self awareness to say, I'm embarrassed I didn't do this before.
Charlie Kirk individually's ministry is over as his ministry now
it lives on through others. But the ministry didn't overnight
become more valuable, more poignant, more profound, or truthful. Just
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because a guy pulled a trigger, it didn't change the
words that were said. This was Erica Kirk over the
weekend his widow.
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He never gave up, and I love knowing that one
of his, one of his mottos was never surrender.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
So I want to tell you that that will never surrender,
never will ever.
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Ever. Our campus toward this fall.
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Will continue, There will even more tours in the years
to come. America Fest here in Phoenix this December will
go on.
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It will be greater than ever. The radio and podcast
show that he was so proud of.
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Will go on, and in a world filled with chaos, doubt,
and uncertainty. My husband's voice will remain, and it will
ring out louder and more clearly than ever, and his
wisdom will endure. My favorite my favorite too. But my
husband's favorite word in the English language was earn. He
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would call all of you to be people of action
who earn the.
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Future America deserves.
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So to all of the young people who felt inspired
by my husband's faith and hard work, all of you
already know what Charlie would want you to do.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Keno, keno.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Meanwhile, two men arrested after leaving an incendiary device underneath
a Fox thirteen news vehicle in Utah as the news
crew was covering the assassination of Charlie Kirk. According to officials,
the device had been lit it was intended that it
blow them up, but it failed to function. The story
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from Fox thirteen Utah.
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Two matter under arrest after police say they placed an
incendiary device under a Fox thirteen news vehicle and later
forced a Magna neighborhood to evacuate during an FBI raid.
Court documents identify the suspects as fifty eight year old
a Deep Nassir and thirty one year old A Dill
Justice Ahmednassur. Both faced multiple charges, including terrorism threats, weapons
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of mass destruction, and possession of explosive devices. Investigators say
the device under the Fox thirteen vehicle it was real
and had been lit, but failed to function. Agents later
tracked the suspects to a Magna home and the twenty
seven hundred South block of eighty five hundred West. During
a search of the home, the suspects told investigators that
two hoax weapons of mass destruction that were discovered were real,
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which forced evacuations at least also say firearms, drugs, and
other contraband were found inside.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Couldn't y'all sit this one out? You had a pass
and you gotta go mess it up. Black lives matter?
Would you like a crack at this too? But here's
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where the rubber hits the road. A lot of people
have expressed anger, and boy, I know I felt it,
But one has to be careful that anger is not
the prevailing emotion. Some folks think that I mean by
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that weakness. Don't mean weakness. I don't mean weakness at all.
In fact, far from it. When I look to the
Bible and I think of James two seventeen. Even so, faith,
if it hath not works, is dead being alone, or
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you may have heard the newer versions of newer translations,
faith without works is dead. I don't simply say we
should just pray and hope. I think that anger, which
is not a long term sustainable emotion, should turn to
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a resolute conviction. Who were these two guys, How did
they end up there? How did the system allow them
to How many red flags were raised but nobody wanted
to say anything because they were Muslims, because they were immigrants,
because they didn't want to be called white racists? Many
how many doors were opened to allow these guys to
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do that by too many people afraid to speak out