PM Show Hr 2 | Karma Finally Shoots Down Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and loud.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Michael Vari show is on the air.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
What we've got here is failure, milk.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Most of the people covering that campaign were not particularly
knowledgeable about the past and didn't you know, may not
have even known that. You know, America firsters pac Madison
Square Garden in nineteen thirty nine and a pro Nazi
Germany rally.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
You said over the weekend, referring to it, there's a
direct parallel to a big rally that happened in the
mid nineteen thirties that Medisine Square guarded. So I know
what I saw, and I'll just leave it at that.
Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Yes? I do, Yes,
I do.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
The races, sex, is homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Only garbage I see floating down there is his supporters.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
His demonizational scene is unconstable.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
And you could put half of Trump's supporters into what
I call the basket of deplorable.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
You know, that's a little bit old, that chart, that
charts a couple of months old.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
And if you want to really see.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Something, that said, take a look at what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
We bleed the same blood we share the same home,
and we salute the same great American flag. We are
one people, one family, and one glorious nation under God.
So Jews and Muslims and Catholics and Evangelicals and Mormons,

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and they're all joining our cores and large numbers, larger
than anyone has ever seen in this country before, larger
than they've ever seen in any country. And the Republican
Party has really become the Party of inclusion, and that's
something very nice.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
We begin our discussion on Jimmy Kimmel's quote unquote indefinite
suspension from ABC. We'll talk in a moment about why
you use that phrase and that procedural device, but that's
less important than the reasoning behind whether he's been fired

(02:30):
and they are soft selling this or whether they are
buying time to rebuild. Either way, there's clearly a problem
with his show, and there is a problem at the network,
which is ABC, with his show. Now, the source of

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that problem is very important to understand. There are two
groups that own a number of ABC affiliates. Now, I
know you know this, but let's explain it so we
all understand. The way the network works is the network
owns the brand. The big brand, and they push content

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down to affiliates. So you have an affiliate in Indianapolis
or Philadelphia or Sacramento, wherever you are. You have a
local ABC affiliate just like NBCCBS, and most of the
programming on your affiliate is coming from the national the network.
Your affiliate might be owned by the ABC Corporation. They

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owned the network and they own some affiliate stations, but
it may be locally owned. It may be owned by
somebody that once owned local but has cobbled together a
bunch of them, like Nextstar or the largest ABC affiliate group,
which is Sinclair Broadcast. Claire Broadcast alone has a great

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deal of influence within ABC should they choose to exercise it.
But when you couple that with Nextstar, you've got the
ability to cause a lot of problems for ABC. However,
that is not a power they use often or lightly.
Those networks are more conservative than the Sorry, those affiliate

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groups are more conservative than ABC National. This is a
perfect example of how you bring about change in this country.
As long as Next Star and Sinclair sat there and
clucked and quietly said we don't really like what ABC's doing,

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but yeah, but the moment they rose up and we've
seen this in every aspect of life, whether it be voters, consumers,
business groups. The minute they rose up and actually brought
the fight, they came to understand they have a lot
more power than they believed. You see this with revolutions

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in countries, and it's why dictators always want to squelch.
It's a whack a mole approach because once revolutionaries get
just a little bit of progress, they begin to realize, hey,
we can do this, and then a lot of people
who would sit idly by in misery will say, hey,
this is our shot. We've got to join in with this.

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You could see that in Libya, you could see that
in Syria. You could see it in a rock when
they toppled Saddam. But you got to get that first step,
and it's hard to get people to take the leap
of faith. It's hard to get people to be the
first one. Now, I want to be clear on something.
I don't believe that government should be censoring, squelching, suppressing

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free speech. I believe that free speech is healthy, and
free speech is often offensive. Free speech is often provocative,
and Charlie Kirk, interestingly enough, if we're going to invoke
his name agreed with me or I agreed with him.

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We both came to the same conclusion. We don't like
the term hate speech. That was a term created by
the left. If they didn't like your opinion, they would
call it hate speech. That's how you were prevented. Or
they'd like to prevent you from speaking against boys in
the girl's restroom. Rather than argue whether that was a

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good idea, they would say, that's hate speech, and you're
a hate monger. Okay, what about the number of men
who rape girls in women's bathrooms? What about all these
horrible things. You're just engaged a hate speech. Lah lah
lah lah la la. I can't hear you. You can't hear
you over the hate speech. So that's what they do.
I don't like what Jimmy Kimmel said about Charlie Kirk.

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We'll play that in a minute. The government did not
remove Jimmy Kimmel. I want to make sure we all
understand this. The marketplace did people of character and conviction
and strength stood up and said we hold enough of
a percentage of this thing to make him go away,
and they did. This should be the clarion call for

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you as a consumer, as a business owner, to stand
up and make your voice hurt, because you can win.
Here's one of the statements that Jimmy Kimmel made talking
about the reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination. We hit some
new lows over.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
The weekend with the Maggot gang desperately trying to characterize
this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than
one of them, and everything they can to score political
points from it.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
In between the finger pointing, So Jimmy Kimmel was claiming,
just as Rosie got busted in Minneapolis with the guy
who shot the kids, the training who shot the kids
who were praying, and she said, this is a Donald
Trump supporter, Well, he did the same thing, and not
only did it turn out not to be true, but

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it turned out to be untrue but extraordinarily troubling. It
came off as as propaganda in a mindwarp Nazi Germany,
a Stalin era Russian idea that you simply state whatever

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people know to be true or are unsure of to
harm your opponent, and you refuse to back down from it.
This was a moment for many people that felt like
Martin Luther King Junior's assassination. I don't know that I

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would have said that first day, maybe not the second day.
It happened last Wednesday, maybe by Thursday. But when I
try to do in a moment like that until I
have something useful to say, is refrain from saying what
I want to say because it will always come off
the wrong way. And once said, it's in the public

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domain domain, and Jimmy Kimmel did not resist that urge.
I have never believed that Jimmy Kimmel was as liberal
as he plays on TV. I've watched this happen with politicians.
I've watched it happen with people, you know, Jimmy Kimmel,

(09:35):
Jimmy Fallon, Colbert who's recently been released from CBS, fire
from CBS. These individuals, they got themselves caught in a
tide bigger than themselves. And what happens, and this often happens,
I see this in so many different ways, is they're

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surrounded by a small circle of people. There's a certain
cocoon around famous people, and it's dangerous to you in
the sense that you lose touch with your audience and
you lose touch with the bigger society. And what you're
hearing close to you tends to be an echo chamber

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of your own greatness. But often it can be advocacy
in your ear that comes off as good advice or
the prevailing opinion. And I think what happens with those three,
and I certainly think this has happened with Jimmy Kimmel is
he has struggled. It's a tough job. There's no way
around that. It's a tough job. It was a tough

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job that Letterman succeeded at, that Jay Leno succeeded at,
and in fact, Johnny Carson considered it a tough job,
an extraordinarily tough job. There was a lot of stress
on Johnny Carson at all times. Most of it's self imposed.
But once you get to the mountaintop, you want to
stay there. And many people who are content creators a

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relatively new term, but that's still what we're talking about.
Many people who are content creators will tell you it's
harder to stay there than get there, particularly because the
kind of energy and zeal and technique you use to
get there is often kind of swash buckling devil may
care take your shot gun slinging because you have nothing

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to lose and everything to gain once you get there.
To what extent do you protect yourself from saying something
that could get you fired? And to what extent do
you say, I still have to be edgy and entertaining,
or the people who join me on the ride will
say you sold out, You're not who you were anymore.
And I think Jimmy Kimmel felt that pressure constantly, and

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so he felt the need to say things for the
peanut gallery of the far left. And this is what
happens when the thought police and the party apparatus and
the media leadership, when they get out of touch with
everyday America, and when they become as they are. You're

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watching this with the Democrat leadership in the House, in
the Senate. They are frightened of the young, new socialist,
violent left. If you look at Kathy Holkel and these
folks running to endorse Mumdani, they are running to endorse
I'm not too old, I'm not too close to Israel,

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I'm not too beholden too wealthy people. I'm not too mainstream.
See look at me. I'm for Kami Mumdani. Look at me.
So they rush in the same way that they end
up at a Taylor Swift concert, the same way that
they try to show their hip and cool and down
with the times. Whatever the new Dougie dance or whatever

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else is. It is an attempt to stay relevant. Fearful
that the public is losing interest in them, but the
public may not yet know it, so they try to
rush back into relevance with wherever the energy of their
party and the zeitgeist of their mindset is. When the

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far left rested control of the Democrat Party, of the
Democrat mindset, of the universities of the media, when they
took control. You know, I'm not a fan of marches
and these sorts of things, but the left put their
foot soldiers on the streets and they did this after

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George Floyd. They had begun before that, but that's when,
in earnest they stepped it up. And the coalition of
Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA and buildings being blown up,
people being killed, real muscle. If you remember when they
were outside CNN and CNN had the blockades and they're

(14:02):
busting in and CNN called it a mostly peaceful protest.
Do you know why they did that? They knew it
wasn't mostly peaceful. That became a meme. They knew that
that Saint Louis, Missouri, that Ferguson, Missouri, was violent. They
know that Chicago is violent. They know that these Minneapolis

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riots were violent. They see it, they're there, they're reporting
on it. They're scared to death for the gun to
be turned on them. They're scared to death to be
inside the building that gets torched. And so they have
to take up the language of this. This this is
Kadafi hiding from the crowds in Libya. This is Saddam

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hiding down in a rat hole.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
And the share with your friends and you'll be the
most popular too.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Marketplace is a powerful, powerful artificial hand that determines how
many goods are produced and at what price they're sold.
It determines what products will be produced. We are not
a central economy. Basic economics a wonderful, wonderful treatise that

(15:20):
I encourage every if you read one book, If you
read one book that I can give you, let it
be Basic Economics from Thomas sol It's not only the
basics of how almost everything works, but it's written in
a way an adult can understand. But we'll learn from

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and be the better for it. Even if you weren't
a particularly academic student, particularly attentive student. You've reached an
age now where you realize, I need to understand the
bigger forces at play here. And Thomas sol the greatest
thinker of our of our times any way, what an
amazing thing. Thirteen percent of Americans are black. Black suffer

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the highest deliteracy in prison, incarceration rates, violence, they live
fewer years, lower education levels, all these things, and the
greatest thinker slash writer of our time alive today. I
think gone for Thays in his nineties is Thomas Soul.

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And he happens to be black, and many Americans will
not acknowledge his existence because he doesn't preach welfare and
self pity in victimhood. He preaches a gospel of capitalism, opportunity, respect, dignity.

(16:54):
He's absolutely brilliant. I encourage you to read basic Economics
and then go from there. Black rednecks and white liberals.
You'll just go on and on and on, but you'll love,
you'll love the book. But he talks in there about
he has a chapter about how Russia would decide how
many fur coats would be made, and Russia being extraordinarily cold,

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they would determine in a five year plan. A lot
of media here will often say, how come you don't
have a five year plan? Have a five year plan
at Russia? Russia's economy is broke and always has been.
What are you That person needs to read basic economics.

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But he talks in a chapter about how they would
decide how many coats would be manufactured, and that they
would be sent out to the various provinces, and this
would be the number of them. Well, if you had
an unseasonably warm wind enter for three winters in a row,

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you'd have all these coats that had been manufactured and
weren't needed, and there's no one there to take them.
Or if it got really cold, because you had five
year plans and that's how you were built, you would
have a shortage of coats. So there wasn't a marketplace
that would meet the demands of the people who wanted

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the product. There was a person who would simply decide
how much of everything that would be. Well, that's a
horrible way to make decisions on production. The free market,
as you know, gives the buyer the power. It's the
rare person the rare company who is a Warren Buffett

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calls them a price creator, and that is a person
who they determined their price, and then people come to
them as opposed to them responding to the marketplace. Most
people respond to the marketplace they have to and the
marketplace if every individual would respond, they don't. But if

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they would respond based on their values, America would move
rightward overnight. What we saw was one spastic reaction to
what we all feel. Jimmy Kimmel's comments not the first
time he's done this, but a lot of people drew

(19:37):
a line in the sand. This kid, thirty one years
old was going out to college campuses and simply asking
kids to speak, to think for themselves, to think differently
than what they're told or they're taught. To love their country,
to aspire to have families, to aspire to be a

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good Christian, to aspire to live your faith and be
good to your neighbors. So for everything they say that
Charlie said, none of that is true, and they've never
heard a thing that he said. So that tells you
a lot about those people. But here was a guy
who captured a moment, and his assassination woke people up

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who had been asleep, because it's easier to be asleep.
If you're asleep, you don't have to confront anything, you
don't have to engage, you don't have to spend any energy.
But this said two things. Number One, guy's not going
to be here anymore, and he was a treasure to
young people. He was a treasure who engaged people. He
did something that was important. But secondly, there are evil

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forces at play that do things like this, and that
woke a lot of people up to saying I'm not
going to tolerate this now. Well, they tolerate in three
months probably, but for a moment in time, they said,
I don't care if my neighbors don't like it, or
my family members or my sister in law, or my
parents or my kids or whatever else. This is wrong.

(21:02):
What Jimmy Kimmel did was wrong. Jimmy Kimmel was not
suspended and hopefully fired. He was not suspended because what
he said was wrong. He was not suspended because what
he said was tasteless or inappropriate. I hate that word.
He was not suspended by any law or governmental function.

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He didn't violate anything. He was suspended because people who
don't like what he did, drew the line and decided
I'm not going to stand for it. This isn't a
First Amendment issue. If you read the First Amendment carefully,
and this is important to understand, the first words go

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Congress shall make no law. Congress didn't get involved in
the Jimmy Kimmel situation. In the free market, if you
don't like me, you can turn our station off, you
can turn the radio off, you can tell me you
hate me. You can choose not to support my show sponsors.
You can do the same thing with Jimmy Kimmel. Everybody

(22:09):
could turn their stations off, turn their television sets off,
and the companies who carry ABC programming could say, we're
not going to carry that show anymore. We have that right.
You know, most the affiliates have their own local TV shows.
That's where they make most of their money. Anyway, they
carry their own local thirteen or local seven, whatever it

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is in your market, morning news, probably midday news, six o'clock,
ten o'clock. They can choose their own programming, and they
can replace Jimmy Kimmel. And they made the decision, Hey,
we own all these stations, we're not carrying him anymore.
They didn't do that to piss their listeners off, to

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piss their viewers off. They did that in reaction to
people who picked up the phone and said, I'll never
watch Sinclair Broadcasting again. I'll never watch Next Star again.
The market worked. It doesn't always work, at least not
in the short term. It's not perfect. But in the
long term, the market the voter. When people speak up fearlessly.

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The results may not be overnight, but in this case
they were. It works. The system works. You Hold the.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Power podcast improved their love life. The fifth person didn't
deserve one anyway.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
What goes around comes around, I suppose, and it came
around to Jimmy Kimmel. Remember when he was dancing on
Tucker Carlson's grave after he was fired from Fox News.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Fox News has severed bow ties with Tucker Carlson. After
all these years, they are parting ways, which means he
was fired. I mean, that's really what party waits means.
Tucker couldn't be reached for comment. He's already on a
plane to Moscow to meet with his manager. But what
a shock, I mean, what an absolutely delightful shock. This

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is ale Tucker can spend more time at home, tanning
his testicles and touching.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Himself to that sexy green M and M.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Sadly, he's probably not done poisoning old people's brains. The
question now is where will he do it next? Will
he go to o An, Will he go to Newsmax?
Will he crawl back up Satan's fiery b hole from
once he came?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
We don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
One of the most despicable mother Tucker's ever to appear
on American television.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
What's your witnessing there, if we get right down to it,
is one guy ridiculing and taunting a competitor content creator.
That's That's what this might This might just be WWE
wrestling when you get right down to it. Tucker was
far bigger than Jimmy Kimmel, and Tucker managed to build

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his own platform, and I think he's having more fun now.
Not in the last week. This whole Charlie Kirk thing
has embroiled him in a whole Israel issue and a
lot of other things. But I think by and large,
the freedom to create content at his own ranch. He

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splits his time Northeast and in Florida to create his
own production facilities, surround himself with the people he likes,
interview interesting people. I think he's having to blast. I
don't think he was having that much fun at Fox,
but the idea that if you're in the public eye,

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you're going to get sloshed around by the vagaries of
the tides of the moment. Roseanne Barr got fired by
ABC from What Was the Hit Show in twenty eighteen
after one tweet, and she later said there were hundreds

(25:57):
of cast and crew who lost their job from that.
It was a big production. One tweet. Remember Gina Carano,
she was on the Mandalorian twenty twenty one. Her social
media posts questioning simple things like the COVID vaccine, which
now science proves didn't work, she was dropped by her agent.

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She was fired by the production house, and her agency said,
we don't want any part of you either. We can't
be seen as part of you. This is the Salem
Witch Trials. We're running from you. Megan Kelly fired by
NBC in twenty eighteen after comments about Halloween costumes and
whether Santa was black. Dave Chappelle, the Netflix employees staged

(26:44):
a walk out and demanded that his comedy special be
pulled for what they call transphobia. They tried very hard
to cancel Dave Chappelle. Two reasons they couldn't. Number one,
he's black. Three reasons. Number one, he's black, and there

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were people who went to bat for him. Number two,
he fought back. He didn't turn tail and run. He
didn't apologize, he didn't pander, he didn't bow. But number three,
and this is important to understand, because he's funny. You

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don't have to like this or that artist. Dave Chappelle
is funny to enough people. Dave Chappelle is very funny,
very thought provokingly funny. You don't have to tell me
that you don't get him, or you don't like him,
or he said this one line over here, or he
criticized Trumpet. He's funny. We don't have to agree on that.

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Content is king. If you're good enough at what you do,
if you have the best defensive reads, the best checkdowns,
throw the best pass at the right moment, and can
scramble on third and twelve and get a first down,
you're gonna be in the NFL. Baker Mayfield is a

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great example. People can say you don't measure up here.
You don't have this. You don't have this, You're gonna prevail.
It's a lot harder to cancel people who are very
good at what they do. The left pressured Spotify to
drop Rogan. Rogan has the biggest podcast in the podcast space.

(28:36):
I mean, they worked hard. And the final straw was
when he took ivermectin for COVID and it cured him.
Guess what ivermectin is over the counter? Now, guess who won?

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Now?

Speaker 2 (28:52):
If you hang around long enough, you'll get to enjoy
people having to bend to knee and admit you were right.
Tucker Cross And I told you about jk Rowling. Jk
Rowling the the biggest writer of children's lit young people.
I don't know what I don't know what that Harry

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Potter stuff is. I've never read it. I'm gonna have
a sense of what it is. I don't know what
category that's in. It's the biggest, it's the biggest. Her
content is the biggest selling, largest selling, widest selling in
the world, probably in the last twenty five years. And
she said women ought not be in I'm sorry, boys

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ought not be in girls bathrooms. Boys ought not be
on the same field with a girl. They're stronger than them.
It's as simple, and then they go after her. She
was a beacon of the left. They keep driving people
out of their uh, out of their own community. Mike Lindell,
the my Pillow guy, Major retailers that were carrying his

(29:56):
pillow yanked them. He was kicked off a twet because
they didn't like his comments. Alex Jones, same thing, you
get these coordinated advertiser boycotts. What the companies are beginning
to understand is stay the hell out of content and

(30:18):
stop allowing yourself to be used as a weapon of
the fringe elements. Those are the same people that want
you to put a grown man in a little girl's
too too and bud light and this cost you billions
of dollars. Those are the same people that destroyed whatever

(30:43):
capital social capital Cracker Barrel had created. Those people are
out of touch. Stop being afraid of the Human Rights Campaign,
which is their organization that gives you a score on
whether your corporate is good, whether your company is good
because you do enough wacky stuff. Stop being afraid of
the investor groups that take their cue from that. What

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Trump proved is there is a bigger market out here
and we want authentic and we want independent, and we
don't want compliance, and we don't want this DEI crap
got that cracker barrel. So Jimmy Kimmel his greatest crime
was not what he said about Charlie Kirk. That's his
most offensive, most disgusting. Jimmy Kimmel's greatest crime was he

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wasn't funny. He didn't have an audience, he didn't have
a tribe, he didn't have a cult, he didn't have
whatever you want to call it. So it was easy
to fire it.