AM Show Hr 2 | Tylenol, Autism, and the Freedom to Be Dumb

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. The
Michael Varie Show is on the air. President Trump, through

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his White House Press team, announced Sunday night that tomorrow
would be the biggest medical news ever, or something to
that effect. I don't know if that's true or not.
Nothing comes to mind immediately. I suppose the results of
the first dolitamide test would be up there. But the

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idea that the medical establishment that we've trusted, or that
many people have for so many years, we're in possession
of information that is causing severe, severe disabilities and death
and has been hidden from us by many many people

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pretty darn big. They're not the first to figure this out.
They're just the first to reveal it. Robert F. Kennedy
gets a lot of credit for that, but also worth
noting that the Democrat presidential candidate last year, Robert F. Kennedy,
would not be able to have access to or release

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that information if he didn't have the President's full blessing.
These are good times we live in. Doctor Mary Tally
Boden is our guest. Welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Thanks thanks for having me. Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Don't see my name in Milicin's Say my mom. It
is weird. Don't go mom on me nothing Now. I
appreciate you making time for us in the middle of
Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan in your own podcast and

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writing your book and being a guest on every other
program in the country.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yes, anytime, Michael.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Is that what we're gonna do. We're gonna that? Is
that our tone today? Okay, all right, just say you know,
Ramon put me up to saying that. Honored to have you, doc.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's the honor to be here as usual.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
You know what you're doing. You're trying to make me
look bad. I know exactly what you're doing. So yesterday
you know I'm not I'm not moved by the news
very often. And to be honest, I'm emotionally spent after
two weeks ago tomorrow, Uh, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

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Frankly wish i'd never seen the video. Uh, I can't
get out of my head. But emotionally spent and drained,
and then there all the other things. You know, these
are heady times, they're crazy times, they're strange times, they're
unprecedented times, at least in the modern era. And then
we get the news yesterday and having been a person
who has battled on behalf of independent doctors and patients

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and the real science of medicine. Somebody that the Texas
Medical Association has gone after and tried to destroy, Somebody
that has been a fortunate legal fees, somebody's been called
every bad name, only to have everything you said come
back full circle in the very people who trashed you
now saying oh, yeah, by the way, Ivermactin over the
counter haven't been through everything you've been through from a

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personal perspective, not a doc, not a mother, not a
a now prominent figure as part of patience and medical openness.
How did you react?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Admit that it has been exhausting in the public health
sector as well as what happened with Charlie Kirk, But yeah,
it's yeah. I think it's just a matter of common sense.
I mean, we knew that we should always be careful
during pregnancy about what we put in our body. We
were screaming about that when they told pregnant women to

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get the COVID shots. And I don't think people realize this,
but all pregnant women are expected to get three vaccines,
four if you count COVID, which is sort of ridiculous
because these vaccines have not been tested against a true placebo,
and we don't have the long term safety data. The

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acet of medicine recommendation. I mean, from what I've read, yes,
there's some valid data saying that there could be a
contributing factor to autism. I don't think this is going
to solve the autism epidemic, but I guess if I
were pregnant, I would take that advice seriously. There are

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the counter argument is that some people feel like a
fever could be contributing to autism. I think what we
need is, you know, bottom line common sense, be very
careful about what you put in your body during pregnancy,
and then we need to eliminate completely any sort of
mandate to have any sort of substance injected into our bodies,

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and then let the people decide. Let it be an
individual decision, because obviously the science is not settled on
what's causing autism, but so many people believe that it
is vaccines. Yesterday's announcement was you know, it was breadcombs
in that direction. I think a lot of people were
disappointed by it because we expected there to be more

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commentary on vaccines and it was basically focused on Chile.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
And all, ah, yeah, why do you think that.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Was It's politically easy to talk about a sedimenticine toxicity
is very politically difficult to talk about vaccines. But that's
what's disappointing because Trump does not seem to cower from
anything politically. I thought Kennedy doesn't you know, it was

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capable of being stronger on that front. It's been almost
a year now and the COVID shots are still being
given to pregnant women and children. It's very alarming to me.
I continue to see injured people on a daily basis
in my office. It's just astounding to me that this

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product is still on the market.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Injured in what way? Like what would be some of
those common.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Ways autoimmune disease, neurological disease. I saw a former marathon
her in my office last week. Two shots in the
right arm. Now her right arm will not stop shaking.
That's been going on for four years, and she doesn't
have a single physician who will entertain the possibility that

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could be from the mRNA shots. I was the one
that had to submit her report to VARs. She can't
teach anymore. She can't run anymore. I see this daily
in my office.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
So frustrating because I wasn't going through what you were
going through. Because I remember counseling you at the time, MTB,
you need a vacation, you were pillar to post, you
were seemingly twenty four hours a day fielding calls, you
were having to I mean, it's like you're in the

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middle of the Spanish flu in nineteen eighteen. But I
got to tell you, you know, watching people that told
me how stupid I was for not getting this and
how I'm going to die as a result of this,
and now so many of them with severe medical conditions
as a result of my brother dying from it. He
didn't want to take it. He was required to by
by law enforcement. It's it's uh. I don't get emotional

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about a lot, but doctor Mary Tally Boden is our guest.
Can you hang with us for just a moment? Thank you,
Lucky you. The Michael Very Show continues. Your lucky day,
Mary Tally Boden, Doctor Mary Tally Boden oto laryngology. I

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think that's right, the don Quixote of doctors. You'd probably
get mad at me for that, as well as our guest,
uh doctor Bowden.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yes, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I want to go back to so yesterday in the
midst of this blockbuster set of of evelations coming from
the Director of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Health
and Human Services, and the President, and the takeaway that
seemed to be the only thing anyone covered and again

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this is a limitation of medical knowledge by reporters. You
talk about what you talk about because it's all you
know is Thailand. All tended to be the most reported
on subject. And granted, taialanol is ubiquitous, everyone has it
in their medicine cabinet. But it feels like we lost
out on the forest for the trees, on the bigger
revelations yesterday without conjecture. What did you feel like they

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said yesterday that was most important?

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, my takeaway, I think everybody's takeaway from that is
just buyer beware. Don't just blindly put things in your body,
especially when you're pregnant, because everybody had this false assumption
that seed of menoicine is very safe. And interestingly, during COVID,
we figured out that people that took tail and all

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during COVID had worse outcomes, which I you know, that
was the first hint. But as I said before, I
think there was disappointment that there was not more focus
on the contribution of vaccines and autism. And it seems
like a little bit of a cop out. I mean,

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I am sure a cevea minifin is a risk factor
in some degree, but is it the primary risk factor?
I doubt that.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
So why do you think they made that so much
a thrust of their comments. You can go conspiracy theory
for me on a moment for a month.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well no, I mean because well no, like I said,
it's politically easy, very easy. It's not you know the
Democrats and actually watched Peter Hotez to see his reaction,
and of course he's completely dismissing that it could be
have anything to do with is ceed the minifone because
it just doesn't you know, he can't, he can't allow
with the other side, no matter what they say. But

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it would have. It causes much less of a fury
to go after a seat of minicoone than it does
to go after the precious vaccines.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, I suppose so. So I read something yesterday and
you never know the sources if it's not a doctor
you already know, or you or mccallaugh, or you know
one of these one of these folks that has has
you know, gold plated credentials. You see people who have
doctor in from their names and they make medical statements.
But somebody said something to the effect of one of
the things that we saw with regard to tyleran al

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was that if tileranol was given after the COVID shot
is when we saw all the problems, and it was
a reference to pregnant women and then babies that that
you are no longer in the womb. Why would that
affect that? What is the medical reasoning behind that?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Because taianol it's a natural and anti inflammatory or body glutethione,
and so when you glutedth ione is important to protection
from toxins, protections from injuring our body, and thilenol depletes
up and apparently in in newborns and fetuses, uh, their

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brains are much more susceptible to thialanol than they would
be as adults. And this was actually not studied. You know,
when talanol came on the market in the fifties, they
did not study how it affected infants or fetuses. And
it's only through animal studies that they realized that, you know,

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the younger population, they're much more susceptible to harms from talanol.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
So does this mean you would recommend against people taking
talanol at all in the future.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Personally, I'm not a big fan of it. I mean,
I think they're there are a lot of people that
get very anxious about a fever with not without a
good reason. I mean, the way I counsel my patients
is with fever, the big consequence is dehydration. So you
want to control the fever to prevent dehydration. But if

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you can, you know, keep yourself very well hydrated. And
actually it's a it's a vicious cycle. So when you
become dehydrated, you're more likely to have a fever. So, yeah,
you don't want to have a seizure because your fever's
gotten so high, but you also don't need to treat
every single fever.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
This just taps into something that I've read a lot
about and had a number of conversations with doctors over
the last couple of years. Doctors with more of your
focus than than the old traditional you know, just write
a bunch of scripts and this idea that sometimes in
panicking over the slightest condition, you throw the baby out
with the bathwater and the side effects of the treatment

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ends up being worse than the core condition.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Exactly. Yes, I completely agree.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
So where does this where does this long I heard
this for years? Where does this long discussed relationship between
vaccines and autism come from? And how concerned after yesterday,
and maybe before yesterday, did you change your opinion should
we be on that? Because my heart goes out. You know,

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you were a mom. I think I think you were
already through with Stanford and all your medical training by
the time you were a pregnant woman and a mom.
But most moms don't have that benefit. They can't come
to those conclusions on their own, and they just want
to deliver a healthy baby. And my heart goes out
to that.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, I think the concern over our vaccines causing autism
originally started with moms. The moms noticed, you know, I
took my kid to get these shots, and then the
lights went out immediately, you know, a day, a week
after getting these shots. I mean, I think that's where
it all started. Now I'm not this is not my
area of expertise at all, So I'm just going off

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of what I've been reading. But you know, and there
is you know, a mother's instincts are are above all.
You know, they need to be taken seriously because the
mom spends all their time with their child. The mom
knows a child. And you know, I will say I
was a lot different as the first time mother than

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I was with my fourth child, because you learn along
the way. But yeah, I believe that all these concerns
came rightfully so from the mother's.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, a mother's intuition. It turns out to be a
very powerful thing. And then you see that some of
these medical institutions are not concerned about healing their children
at all, but serving big pharma and not the life
is Can you stay with us? One more segment to
your ear, She's gonna act show. Doctor Mary Tally Boden

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is our guest. We're talking about the breaking developments yesterday
between Cabinet Secretary Housing and Human Services, Health and Hustans
Human Services Director Robert F. Kennedy Junior, and of course
the President talking about medical breakthroughs and a commitment to

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investigate further. Was there anything doctor Boden about yesterday that
was new to you or that surprised you that they
were willing to go that far in disclosures.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Not really. I mean I think it was too soft,
if anything. I mean, I guess I didn't realize, you know,
when they announced the Aceta medicine potential for harm, I
was a little bit surprised. I first, my knee jerk
reaction was, I don't know about this, because it seems

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like this would have come out, you know, a lot
time ago, and it doesn't seem like it be that
hard to study. You could, you can conduct a study
pretty easily, and there's not this It's not politically sensitive
to go after a SEDA medicine. I mean, you can
understand why vaccines it's taking so long for this to
come out. But then I went and dug into it

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and I read up about it, and I know, I
am convinced that a seedamnicine is a potential risk factor.
I just don't think it's the whole thing. And I
think they should have spent more time talking about vaccines.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Fair Uh So I know the emails I'm going to
get that I'm ill equipped to answer and and go,
all right, well, if you can't take donald, if we'll
start with pregnant women. If you can't take donald, can
you take whatever else? And so what do you say
to that? What's your thought at least at this point,
not not not as the doctor of the patient, but

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from what you've seen of the research.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, you're not supposed to take aspirin. You're not supposed
to take ibuprofen during pregnancy. That was already established. So,
like I said, it's you know, stay if you get
a fever. Your most important thing is to stay hydrated
because fever causes dehydration. That's the biggest risk factor. And

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the more dehydrated you become, the more likely you already
have a fever. So it's a vicious cycle. But you know,
if worse comes to worse, you know, talk to your
doctor and see if you need to take tamenol if
you're if you just can't break the fever. But yeah,
just take more caution about what you put in your body.
And certainly do not get a COVID shot during your pregnancy.

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I can say that with one hundred percent certainty. I
personally I would not get any vaccines during pregnancy.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Interesting, that's very interesting. I could spend some time on that,
but I'll hold off for now. Do you have a
good source. I mean, obviously you say to people, we
all say to people, get a good primary physician, But honestly,
we know that some primary physicians haven't looked at a
study or report that's been developed since they graduated medical

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school forty five years ago, and others are simply on
a commission basis selling pharmaceutical scripts. Do you have websites
that you go to to at least read from Peter
Atilla or whatever else? And why don't you produce a
weekly news site a newsletter. I just threw that in
on the flyop, but go ahead and answer that as

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you will.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, well, you know, Peter Atia was not on our
side during COVID. I'll just mention that. But Independent Medical
Alliance is a great resource. Especially now that ivermectin is
over the counter, people are going to be wanting to
know how much should you take? I will refer people
to that website. It's basically what the Frontline Critical Care

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Alliance became Independent Medical Alliance, and they are all very
like minded. I'm part of this organization, but it's like
minded physicians. Lots of resources on that website on how
to take ivermectin and other issues as well. But that's
a good starting.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Point, independent medical alliance.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Right, So I am a.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
So where do you Where do you hope this will
go from here? What would you like to see from here?
Obviously our fear is that it get ground down or
buried in a mountain of bureaucracy, or the private investigators
for big Pharma follow Robert F. Kennedy till they catch
them in a tryst, because it's usually how they take
guys like this down. Where would you like to see

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this go? But what to you would be a proper advancement?

Speaker 2 (21:11):
We need to eliminate all medical mandates full stop. No
third party should tell you or what for your child,
what they should put in their body. So that means schools,
that means hospitals. It's a fundamental principle of informed consent
and bodily autonomy. Eliminate mandates. Who knows when the science

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will be settled over vaccines. I suspect it's not going
to be anytime soon. So in the meantime, and we
learned this during COVID, you do not tell other people
what to inject in their bodies, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I think the great frustration is the idea that too
many people don't want to think for themselves, not only
will medical issues, on financial issues, that's how they get
defrauded by Alan Stanford. On educational issues, that's how they
end up in bad situations where their kids waners being
cut off and the school is encouraging it. I think

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that what we're talking about all in all, is that
you have agency over your own life, your own soul,
your own health, your own finances, your own direction, your
own career. And I think that's that's a good route
back to the beginning of where you and I first talked,
started talking about medical ethics and our personal health and

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who we're going to trust and learning constantly and cross
referencing and cross checking and second opinions and on and
on and on. That wasn't really a question.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
And we have so much more well, I was going
to say, we have so much more access to information,
and we did twenty years ago, Like when I got
out of medical school, Thatcher's were the authority on everything
because patients didn't have access to them unless you had
a textbook, a medical textbook, or you did some training.
You didn't know you were in the blind. But now

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the information is so much more accessible that people really
can do their own research in a pretty valid way.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
All right, I got a minute left. I don't want
you to get mad at me because I never seemed
to ask this question properly, and it seems to change
because you got so busy for so long, and I
know you've kind of pulled back for your own health.
If people feel that they are COVID vaccine injured, or
have questions related to long term care, or maybe even

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they want issues related to the old fashioned ear nose
and throat, Are you seeing patients now and what's the
process to see you? See how nicely? I asked that, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Sorry?

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Would you say see how nicely? I asked that.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I very much appreciate that. Yes, I'm taking new patients
for ear nose and throat allergy, sleep medicine, COVID and
COVID shot injuries. I'm not a primary care doctor. I'm
not treating cancer. I don't do detox parasite protocols. But

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for those things, I do see patients and they just
contact our office to set up.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
An appointment, and that's breathe MD. Yes, thank you, doctor
Mary Tally Boden snowflakes.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Thank you, Michael.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Prepare for a complete meltdown with more of the Michael
Berry Show. Well, So, Corey Morrow's new album. The album
release party will be in Dallas on October third. You'll

(24:51):
have to put his website for the location. I can't
remember what it was. And at DOCI Do in Houston
on forty five North on October sevent tenth. I believe
there are still tickets. There were is of last hour,
it was about half sold out, maybe two thirds. There's
not a bad seat in the house at doc Do
and they served dinner to boot, which is always a

(25:12):
nice thing. He had asked that I do an interview
format for the album release, which was right up my alley,
and I agreed, and less than an hour later I
got a message from our CEO asking if I could
be in Dallas on that same day. So I will
not be at the October seventeenth concert. I say that

(25:32):
only because not that anybody's coming out, because I'm there
that wasn't already going for Corey, but so you'll know
why I'm not there when it was my intention yesterday
morning to be there. There is it is now public
information A rally tomorrow in honor of the Stratford High
School Turning Point USA chapter that has just started. Yesterday morning,

(25:56):
we had Jack Robertson on and I must tell you
I was incredibly impressed with that young man. Jack Robertson
came to my attention because I saw a post he
had put up on Twitter and someone tagged me or
I don't know the language, someone forwarded me that post
that he put up about the fact that they had

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applied for a Turning Point USA chapter at Stratford High
School in West Houston and that they were hopeful they
would be able to get it, along with another set
of comments about this woman, Natalie Herpes, this evil woman
who is the vice president of the Spring Branch Democrats,

(26:41):
who was trying to keep a student organization from for
me on the Stratford campus. To my knowledge, the Spring
Branch Independent School District Board has not taken a public position,
but they must. They must take a position. They cannot
simply sit back and say, well, it's politics, or it's this,

(27:05):
or it's that. You must protect the children in your
school district in their schools, especially as it relates to
on campus activities. Schools these days have taken it upon
themselves to police whether kids can drink off campus school

(27:31):
related incidents. It's a big deal with the private schools
school related incidents. If you have a party at your
home and you have alcohol. I know families that have
had kids kicked out of private schools and they can't imagine.
I know families that have given a fortune to private schools,
millions of dollars, and the kid kicked out because another

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kid at a party whipped out a phone and filmed
kid at the party who had a drink in their
hand in a red Solo cup. Kids are brought into
school the next day, they have no reason to know
there's anything or on Monday. This happens on a Friday
or Saturday after a football game at a private home
off campus eleven o'clock at night. The schools will bring

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the kid in multiple cases, I've heard of this multiple schools.
They'll bring the kid in, they quiz them, they have
no representative, no one to help them understand where they're
going through, no parent, and they basically browbeat them until
the kids said, yeah, there was a drink in the
in the red Solo cup, whereupon they're immediately expelled and

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I'm sure there are some people that are the granddaughter
of the founder of the Temperance Union out there saying,
as it should be, that's wrong. Well, maybe it is.
I'd like to think my kids never drink. I know
Crockett never has. I don't think Michael, he hasn't been
in my presence. And my kids have never been allowed
to drive to parties, to which they say, Dad, you

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just told us we we don't do anything wrong. Why
can't we drive? Because if God forbid, you did make
a bad mistake and have a drink underage, I'm not
going to have you make a second bad mistake and
hurt yourself or somebody else on the way home. At
a minimum, you could get arrested. That's my parenting philosophy.
You don't have to agree with it. That's the beauty.

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Just like doctor Mary Tully Boden said, you get to
make your own medical decisions. That's what freedom looks like.
Freedom is not unanimity. That's important for people to understand.
Freedom is not trendy, universal. Everyone agrees. Freedom is the
freedom to make different decisions that you may think are
backward decisions, are dumb decisions, or over the top decisions

(29:41):
or whatever else. But you get these kids who off
campus are being policed, their social media is being policed.
The schools have gotten out of control on this issue,
trying to control their children outside of campus. And we
can talk about that another day. But what the school

(30:04):
district must do is protect the children on campus, a
campus organization chartered through the school, which is how this
came about. And some outside Natalie Herpes, vice president of
the Spring Branch Democrats, and by the way, every Democrat

(30:25):
out there should be calling her and telling her issue
an apology immediately. Every Democrat donor should be doing that.
And the fact that you don't because you hate Trump
or because you want to win the next election. Anyway,
Wednesday evening there is a rally. The Attorney General Ken

(30:45):
Paxton is coming to town. Jack Robertson, the young man
we had on yesterday is going to be I think
he's MCing and speaking. Keep an eye on that young man.
It's another little Charlie Kirk in the And I'll tell
you now what I've felt since all this started. There

(31:05):
are lots of little Charlie Kirk seeds that have been planted,
and it's going to be fun to watch them sprout.
I gotta tell you, I wish I was forty years younger.
I wish I could watch these kids grow up. Young
kids today are better than they've been in fifty years.
I am excited about the young people today