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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
The Michael Very Show is on the air. You're gonna
make a lot of money, right, yeah right, it's not yours,
well it becomes ours.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
How is that not stealing?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I don't think I don't think that. I'm explaining this
very well. It's seven to eleven. Right. You can take
a penny from the tray from the crippled children. No,
that's the job. I'm talking about the tray the you know,
the pennies for for everybody, oh, for everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, yeah, well those are whole pennies, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm just talking about fractions of a penny here, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
But we do it from a much bigger tray, and
we do it a couple of million times, So what's
wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Has this been?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
In a post on x, Doge said the Department of
Health and Human Services had terminated a contract paying Family
Endeavors eighteen million dollars a month to operate an empty
facility in West Texas. Doge also claims Endeavors received its
HHS contract in twenty twenty one after a former ICE
(01:26):
employee and Biden transition team member joined the nonprofit Endeavors
government disclosure forms show its revenues shot up in twenty
twenty one from fifty million to six hundred and fifty
eight million.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Has this been? Has this been?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And when you see the people are in Tennessee paying
fifty percent of their income to state, federal, and local
taxes through other you know, through everything else, fees and
everything else, and then they see us sending liberally billions
overseas to our enemies. You know, I've uncovered forty million
dollars going to the Taliban. A guy named Sean Ryan
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over Middle Tennessee, former Navy seal podcaster. He and another
guy named Legend had brought this to my attention. And
you know, last term I could not even get the
Democrats to bring it up in the Senate. It passed
unanimous in the House, not even a question because they're
going to have to admit they made a mistake, and
they've continuously made a mistake, and they did it on
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purpose is the worst part about it. And this graph
that you're seeing, and that's one hundred percent what it is.
I think you're going to see a paper trail come
back to Washington, d C. And that's why I think
a lot of people are nervous, and you'll see a
lot of retirements because they are stealing from the American
taxpayer and now they've got their handcott in the cookie jar,
and all they can do is attack Elon Musk.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Last week we had a couple of segments where I
asked a question, if you ended up in jail, how'd
you end up there? What befell you? What stupid thing
did you do? What ill advised? What drug or alcohol
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induced courage did you have? What bad decision did you make?
What miscalculation did you suffer? And after the segment and
after the show, I got an email from a fellow
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who wrote, I listen to the podcast, so I heard
the jailbird stuff a little late to the dance. If
you want the details, please ring me up. I should
tell you that the subject line was high I shot somebody.
So his name is Andrew McNulty And there was a
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link to a story headline from KGW eight. Suspect in
Northeast Fremont Street shooting appears in court charged with attempted murder.
Officers said the suspect, Andrew McNaulty fifty eight, shot the
victim in the chest and leg. Last Friday afternoon. Andrew
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MacNulty is our guest. Welcome to the program, Sir.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Hello Michael, how are you.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I'm good. So you don't sound how old are you? Sixty? Now?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Sixty one?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Sixty one? You sound like you're about thirty two. Tell me,
first of all, set the stage. Where was this?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It was in my neighborhood about him, minutes north of
it's not to where I live. And I was out
for a walk middle of June two years ago, a
great day. It was just kind of oblivious, and this
guy pairs out of nowhere and he's a schizophrenic, homeless
dude on crack and meth, and he hates white people
and he was threatening to kill to kill white people
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in the neighborhood. For months. I had no idea about
this though.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Are you white? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'm totally white too.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
It went all over and I get that lessen a
little spye.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I got a redneck. But that's one other thing.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And so and is what is he?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
He's a schizophrenic on drugs and he's really violent.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
What skin color?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Oh he's black? Sorry about that?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Okay, what's his height? White?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I only got a glimpse of him for about three seconds.
He's about my height, five ten more muscular, maybe about
two hundred and you're remember one seventy five these days.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Okay, all right, And so you're out for a walk,
do you have headsets in? Are you in any way distracted?
Are you walking and looking at your phone? What are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Probably looking at the phone. But it was such a
beautiful day. That was just totally oblivious. You know what
summers are like in Portland. It's really nice.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I do. Yeah, that's the time to be in Portland. Wow,
it's didn't then there's no sun for you know, the
entirety of the winter.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
But for I again, dogs dogs nose is dark, wet
and cooled.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Right right now? You're by yourself. Yeah, and this is
what time of day?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Five fifteen in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay. I read a little bit of the story somebody.
A guy was walking his his daughter and a stroller,
and I guess the guy appeared to be approaching you
as if he was going to ask something. So so
once you recognize that this guy's coming into your space
and make going to beeline to you, what happens from there?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Didn't actually see him make a bee line to me?
That's I heard that report later too, but I did
see the video afterwards. There's the restaurant that's all happened
right in front of. They were closed, but the video
cameras are really good quality. It shows this guy really
pissed off and throwing his bag down on the picnic
table in front of the restaurant, and he sheds one
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of his shirts and throws that down and then he
bows up like he wants to tear my head off.
And I just looked up at that point and I go, oh,
something's bad, something bad's going to happen right here.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And what happened.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
He said I'm going to kill you. First he was
like snarling with his eyes bugged out. I guess crack
and met will do that to you. Then he changes
to looking like Jack Nicholson coming through the door in
the shining with the axe. So the grimace is there
and my eyes is zooming on his face. And that's
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the worst thing I could have done, because this guy
is a lunatic. Anyway, he says I'm going to kill you,
and I just drew shot him.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
How close was he to you when you shot him?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, I thought he was like twenty feet away because
I tunnel vision. Turns out he was about four or
five feet.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Wow. Okay, hold with me just one. This is Selvester Turner,
the mayor, and a human being VOI.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
La Michael Bettyshaw.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
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think it's a machismo thing. Men think that you want
to kill somebody, but I assure you don't want to
kill somebody. If you can help it. You want to
stop the threat, like this threat that Andrew mcnultius talking
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about here. I found out during the break that there
was an officer involved shooting this morning. The suspect has
been arrested multiple times. The suspect fired ten rounds at
the officers before they returned fire, and they hit him twice.
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Not clear yet what his status is or if any
officers were transported. Apparently not is the first report I got.
One of the officers had only been on the streets
for four days. Welcome to policing, son. How about that
callback to your wife or your mom? Hey? Mom, how's
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it going? How's being a police? Uh? It's fine. Just
be careful out there, baby, it's dangerous. I know you're
gonna say it's not, but oh I'm not gonna say
that anymore. I got shot at today by a hardened criminal.
Andrew McNulty is our guest. He was a listener who
emailed in and in Portland. A guy charged him and
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you shot him from four feet away with what what
were you carrying at?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
A little clock? Three fifty seven sig?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Thirty three glock?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
What thirty three? Three fifty seven?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Okay, and okay, hold on, I'm having audio problems. This
is not your fault. I'm hearing you say a sig
and I'm hearing you say a glock. What are you saying?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It's glock three fifty seven sig?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Oh sick? Oh okay, I'm not familiar with that terminology. Okay,
I know glock's long trigger pull. So where did you
have the gun secreted?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's on my left hip. I'm right handed, okay, a
cross straw.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Okay, And he couldn't see that you weren't open carrying.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, no, no, no, it's Portland. I would get jumped.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, no, I figured, I'm just I'm trying to figure
the story out here, all right, So sorry, sorry, you've
got it talked to? What in your waistband?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, it's actually my gut's a little bit too big
for it to be in there, So it's over to
the side, outside of my belt, okay, on my hip.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And as he starts charging, you reach across and draw
and pull out and are you just is it up
against your belly? Hat described for me the.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Shot put my hand on my waist and so there's
nothing between me and my body but the gun. As
far as charging at me, he disappeared had tunnel vision
at the time, so I assumed he was charging. The
video just shows him and I drew really quickly, so
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it all happened within about three seconds. But things get
really weird when somebody tries to well, they said they're
going to murder you, and then they move sure.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Well, you know, I've heard all sorts of different numbers
as to how fast someone is moving in the distance.
They are away, but we're never as quick to get
to our weapon, aim in fire, or get to our
weapon and fire as we think. And people close ground
a lot faster than they think.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So you're just reacting.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, so and so did that drop him?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
He kept going and I don't even remember the second shot,
but I got him in the hand that time. According
to his father, he had got him four inches below
the heart with the first shot, but he was running.
He ran a little bit, maybe twenty twenty five feet
until down. I couldn't see him because I was just
focused on this little patch of bricks in the wall
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at the restaurant because I couldn't see anything.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Really, So you fired two rounds? Yeah, So he stopped
charging and at that point staggers away twentyear twenty five
feet and then drops And what do you do?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Then try to get my head together. I put my
gun away because I figure, you're in Portland, Oregon, You're
going to freak people out. And I walked a little
bit further in the direction I was going to in
the first place, because I saw a couple of people
out in front of a restaurant and I asked them
to call the police, and Beefs showed up. I flagged
him down and had about seven pistols pointing at my chest,
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which is pretty weird.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And so they booked you. They cuffed you, stuffed you,
took you down and booked you.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah. And if you're arrested on a Friday at five
point thirty, you're not now until Monday five point thirty.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, okay, So then what happened?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Judge lets me out, says you got to put away
all your guns and AMMO and reports of the beach trial.
Pearl person. I'm not sure about the terms because I
don't get arrested usually, and they set me up and
a friends said, look, I heard about what happened to you,
to call my lawyers, and I just let the ball
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in their hands because I don't know what the hell
I'm doing. What do you do the end of the day,
I'm retired. If I happened for about fifteen years, okay.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
And so then are you arraigned? Are you indicted? What happens?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah? I went to before they let me out. The
judge told me, you know, reports of the par person.
And after about three or four weeks, my lawyers said
let's go to court, gonna We're gonna plead, just don't
say anything, let me do the talking, which was fine,
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and Lud's father showed up and he called me a racist.
It stunk because I couldn't I couldn't open my mouth
and say anything about it, which kind of pissed me off. Frankly. Anyway,
at the end of the day, it dragged out for
about two years, and my homeowners insurance company paid this
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dude three hundred thousand dollars. I had to pay him
two and a quarter about two hundred and twenty five
thousand dollars, and I spent about one hundred and thirteen
thousand and legal fees. So I think it may be
the burner would have been a good deal. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Think. Wow. That is uh, that is disturbing. It's thank you, Andrew.
I'm glad this is over and you've been able to
move beyond it. Every single American in the course of
our lives is going to come in contact with some
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nonsense like this, and it is It's frustrating because you
don't ask for it, it lands on your doorstep. And
the kind of people who do this are surrounded by
a whole support network of the kind of people who
are going to criticize you for that person's behavior, and
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there doesn't seem to be a way to stop it
anytime soon. Ramon is back after two weeks off on
a road trip with his extended family, including his parents
and his sisters and their spouses. Great job to Jim Mudd,
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who filled in ably. He was wearing wearing two hats
during Ramone's absence and your pet you what your pins
were reversed? Oh, you couldn't see what colored. Oh he
puts the He puts the end of the pin that
shows the color down at the bottom. So you have
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to pull him out to know what. Well, you know,
if that's the worst thing he did, you know he
did work some long hours. I have to say he
worked some very long hours in your absence and did
a fantastic job. It's interesting going back and listening to
the shows, how just the change in vibe in the
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types of bump music Jim plays versus Ramone, How it
gives the show a different feel. I saw a documentary
on the effects of music in setting mood in movies commercials,
and they showed a crocodile bounding along and they did
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like cute see music and you know, oh he's so sweet.
I like to take one of those home with me.
And then they did another one that was like Jaws
and you go, oh boy, that's menacing. Still the same video,
but the music changed the mood and changed your processing
of that. So we're faced with the decision in this country,
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and it's not going to be one decision. I think
a lot of people hope they could just vote for
Trump and it would go away. We're faced with the decision.
We are at a challenging point in this country, and
even the conversation of the challenge makes people uncomfortable. And
first of all, we're going to have to get comfortable
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with discomfort. I have watched people, for instance, raise children,
and one of their children end up an extreme schizophrenic,
for instance, or with extreme episodic insanity, and that might
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mean self harm. It could be one friend his son
started harming his wife. So the son is harming his
own mother, and my friend would have to rush home
from work because the son was about he just graduated
high school and he was eighteen or nineteen and didn't
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have a job, was home all day and mom was
trying to kind of gold him into, you know, finding
something productive to do with his life, and then he
would just unload on her. And so my friend was
at wits end. What to do, you know, do we
send this guy to jail? Do we? So they refinance
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their house and send him to these treatments And it
really never ends when you realize you're going to have
to confront this problem and it's never going to end.
It's going to be a series of confrontations that must
be dealt with. And and that's a that's a that's
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a tall order. It's not it's not set it and
forget it, Ron pol Peel. It's not easy, and it's
not pleasant to know that the America we know and
love has changed. And a lot of people I hear this,
I sense this a lot of people. Let's take New
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York for instance. New York is about to be plunged
into the awful depths of not just socialism, Socialism in
and of itself would would be would be bad. You're
going to see a form of Islamic aggression in a
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way we've never seen in this country. This isn't going
to be the nine to eleven Towers now, it will
be saying, for instance, after nine to eleven, Mamdani is
giving a speech, a much younger Mamdani, and he's talking
about the devastating effects of nine to eleven and how
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hard that was to deal with. And the hard thing
that he had to deal with was that they had
to be looked at as different. They had to be
looked at as being similar to the people who who
did that. Never a mention of the people who died
in the towers. Everything is a very self absorbed, self
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centered He and those who follow him see the world
with themselves as the epicenter, and everything else, everything you know,
is turned on its head because it's only seen through
his eyes. And you're talking about an individual who, in
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some cases was when he first entered the room, the
only non Christian, the only Muslim, the only foreign born,
the only accent, the only filling to blame. And that
affected him. It made him angry, It made him vindictive,
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and he is determined to remake not just New York,
but this country in an image that he has a
golden image, and that image is not what Americans want
to live in. Pakistan will be Pakistan, whether we move
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there or not. We just won't know how bad it is.
There are countries that are awful by our measure to
live in, but the people there don't necessarily feel that way.
They feel sorry for us because we've got promiscuous women
wearing skirts that show their legs, we have women showing
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their face. How can you live in this world of sin?
What a miserable, miserable, debauched place we must be to them,
Which is fine until people start trying to remake this
country in their image. But we've reached a point in
New York. Very likely we'll find out within a few days,
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but I don't doubt this that we have reached a
point in this country where entire cities are going to fall.
New York is going to fall, And a lot of
Americans believe, well, you know what, let it hmm. It's
not that simple. It's not going to happen on an island.
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It's going to affect you. It's going to affect aspects
of your life. It's going to continue to creep into
your life in ways big and small. But Minneapolis, for instance,
another perfect example. You got this Jacob Fry, a little
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wheezily nude who happens to be Jewish, who happens to
be a left wing progressive who happened to pile on
to the George Floyd incident and make it seem like
cops are awful and white people are awful and black
people are all just just poor, poor people. Just we've
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got a bunch of white people just running around killing
black people. And that worked for him, and the Somali community,
which is a growing and very organized community, supported him,
and he used that against Whitey until the Somali said, okay,
you're useful in this week. We're enough now. So now
they're tossing him out. They got this guy fate. This
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guy's worse than Madonna. If the composition of your nation
changes so dramatically, both in raw numbers, culture, religion, values,
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you're going to change the country, and you're going to
do so negatively. When you look at the immigration patterns
into this country that were once considered frightening to people,
the Irish coming into Boston, for instance, those were not
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see change differences in the overall culture. They were Catholic,
which so were many Northeasterners. They were insular, to be sure,
they were clannish, to be sure, but by and large
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the venn diagram of the average American of the time,
the old Boston Brahmans and the Irish immigrant was not
so different. They thought it was, but it wasn't because
you had a sense of a national spirit, a national culture,
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guiding principles that were shared, and there was no divergence
from that. When the Italian mafia landed on American soil
and began spreading its tentacles, that was something America had
not seen. A crime syndicate so organized, so efficient, so
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business like in operations, and so brutal in operations that
it's a wonder it was ever tamed. It really is.
The extent to which the mafia controlled swaths of land, operations,
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dollars people, the number of people who lived in fear,
the number of people who were forced to fund it,
the breadth and depth of operations, the politicians they had
in their pocket. It's amazing that it was stopped or
slowed the way it was, And I would argue that
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the cartels have that same capability in the South. We've
not seen the effects of the mafia the way people
who lived in Chicago and Detroit and Philly and New
York and Boston did, and how it affected every aspect
of your life, not just gunshots ringing out, but intimidation, beatings, extortion.
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You owned a coffee shop or an ice cream shop
or a laundromat, You paid taxes to the government, you
paid taxes to the mafia, You ended updating the right girl,
You got your leg broken, your kid got hurt, your
car was blown up. Those sorts of things were real,
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and they weren't isolated. They were a dominant culture, and
you didn't know who you could trust at what level
of government to protect.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You or to.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Punish. And now we have a series of arrows coming
into the tent from various places. The cartels are at
a point now, I think, where their operations have been
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so upended that they're prone. I think it gets worse
before it gets better. First of all, the flow of
people into this country unabated was, without a doubt, their
business model. They had to have that. They had to
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get contraband into this country, and they sent that through people.
The people themselves, especially the children, were contraband. So they
were selling sex. And I think we will eventually it
will be revealed to some extent, at least the degree
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to which children were being tracked as sex slaves by
powerful people, by rich people within certain communities, and I
think it's going to be shocking. I think it's going
to be like when the Me Too movement took off
and you just woke up every day to see who
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the next guy was it was going to fall, And
I think it's going to be that. I think we're
going to find out that a lot of massage parlors
are not actually ramon cover years. They're not actually conducting massage,
which okay, that's probably a consensual act. But was it
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consensual or was it that person's decision to be working
inside there? Are they a legal adult? What happens when
things go wrong? I don't know. I don't know. I
think that we're going to see a lot of things
revealed that are going to be very surprised. The extent
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to which it was almost out in the open, prominent people,
respected people, pillars of if not society, then pillars of
celebrity in Hollywood, music, media and media and film names
that you know, just look at the flight manifest of
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the Epstein flights to to Orgy Island. You'll never get
me to believe that anybody was going to Orgy Island.
For any reason other than to participate in sex that
is illegal on American soil and immoral throughout the world,
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and brutal. If ten percent of the stories that have
been told are true, brutal, and people who have great
degree of influence, some of them still in positions of
great influence, some of whom have been divorced over all
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of this. So you've got this one element, which is
the cartels and the illegal immigration. We think of illegal
immigration as being Mexican, Honduran, Guatemalan. It's far more than that.
That was only one element. Then you've got people who
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came here to set up cells, terror cells with training already.
It doesn't take very many. Look at nine to eleven.
It doesn't take very many. Look at Nadal Husaw, Nadal
Hassan who shot up Fort Hood. I don't want to
live in the kind of country where there are terror
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attacks going off all the time. I was in London
when the IRA was active and there was a bomb threat.
We were in the middle of I was a young
lawyer in the middle of a meeting and there was
a bomb threat that went off, and I'm thinking, wow,
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this is pretty scary. The people we were with said
not a big deal. Let's just get away from this.
We're taught to get away from the big buildings because
they are the targets. Go to a smaller So we
went and had a sandwich, made the most of it.
You know, might as well have a sandwich. Wow, you're
at it. But I don't want to have to live
in a country where we have to constantly be dealing
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with that. And then we have enough of an internal threat.
We've got a race problem on our hands and a
crime problem on our hands that we've not been able
to deal with. And you know how we're dealing with it.
We're leaving the cities. We're going to be let In
ten years, our major cities, to the extent they're not already,
are going to be uninhabitable
It's that time.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
The Michael Very Show is on the air. You're gonna
make a lot of money, right, yeah right, it's not yours,
well it becomes ours.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
How is that not stealing?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I don't think I don't think that. I'm explaining this
very well. It's seven to eleven. Right. You can take
a penny from the tray from the crippled children. No,
that's the job. I'm talking about the tray the you know,
the pennies for for everybody, oh, for everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, yeah, well those are whole pennies, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm just talking about fractions of a penny here, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
But we do it from a much bigger tray, and
we do it a couple of million times, So what's
wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Has this been?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
In a post on x, Doge said the Department of
Health and Human Services had terminated a contract paying Family
Endeavors eighteen million dollars a month to operate an empty
facility in West Texas. Doge also claims Endeavors received its
HHS contract in twenty twenty one after a former ICE
(01:26):
employee and Biden transition team member joined the nonprofit Endeavors
government disclosure forms show its revenues shot up in twenty
twenty one from fifty million to six hundred and fifty
eight million.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Has this been? Has this been?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And when you see the people are in Tennessee paying
fifty percent of their income to state, federal, and local
taxes through other you know, through everything else, fees and
everything else, and then they see us sending liberally billions
overseas to our enemies. You know, I've uncovered forty million
dollars going to the Taliban. A guy named Sean Ryan
(02:16):
over Middle Tennessee, former Navy seal podcaster. He and another
guy named Legend had brought this to my attention. And
you know, last term I could not even get the
Democrats to bring it up in the Senate. It passed
unanimous in the House, not even a question because they're
going to have to admit they made a mistake, and
they've continuously made a mistake, and they did it on
(02:36):
purpose is the worst part about it. And this graph
that you're seeing, and that's one hundred percent what it is.
I think you're going to see a paper trail come
back to Washington, d C. And that's why I think
a lot of people are nervous, and you'll see a
lot of retirements because they are stealing from the American
taxpayer and now they've got their handcott in the cookie jar,
and all they can do is attack Elon Musk.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Last week we had a couple of segments where I
asked a question, if you ended up in jail, how'd
you end up there? What befell you? What stupid thing
did you do? What ill advised? What drug or alcohol
(03:36):
induced courage did you have? What bad decision did you make?
What miscalculation did you suffer? And after the segment and
after the show, I got an email from a fellow
(03:57):
who wrote, I listen to the podcast, so I heard
the jailbird stuff a little late to the dance. If
you want the details, please ring me up. I should
tell you that the subject line was high I shot somebody.
So his name is Andrew McNulty And there was a
(04:19):
link to a story headline from KGW eight. Suspect in
Northeast Fremont Street shooting appears in court charged with attempted murder.
Officers said the suspect, Andrew McNaulty fifty eight, shot the
victim in the chest and leg. Last Friday afternoon. Andrew
(04:41):
MacNulty is our guest. Welcome to the program, Sir.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Hello Michael, how are you.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I'm good. So you don't sound how old are you? Sixty? Now?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Sixty one?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Sixty one? You sound like you're about thirty two. Tell me,
first of all, set the stage. Where was this?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It was in my neighborhood about him, minutes north of
it's not to where I live. And I was out
for a walk middle of June two years ago, a
great day. It was just kind of oblivious, and this
guy pairs out of nowhere and he's a schizophrenic, homeless
dude on crack and meth, and he hates white people
and he was threatening to kill to kill white people
(05:20):
in the neighborhood. For months. I had no idea about
this though.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Are you white? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'm totally white too.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
It went all over and I get that lessen a
little spye.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I got a redneck. But that's one other thing.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And so and is what is he?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
He's a schizophrenic on drugs and he's really violent.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
What skin color?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Oh he's black? Sorry about that?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Okay, what's his height? White?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I only got a glimpse of him for about three seconds.
He's about my height, five ten more muscular, maybe about
two hundred and you're remember one seventy five these days.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Okay, all right, And so you're out for a walk,
do you have headsets in? Are you in any way distracted?
Are you walking and looking at your phone? What are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Probably looking at the phone. But it was such a
beautiful day. That was just totally oblivious. You know what
summers are like in Portland. It's really nice.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I do. Yeah, that's the time to be in Portland. Wow,
it's didn't then there's no sun for you know, the
entirety of the winter.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
But for I again, dogs dogs nose is dark, wet
and cooled.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Right right now? You're by yourself. Yeah, and this is
what time of day?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Five fifteen in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay. I read a little bit of the story somebody.
A guy was walking his his daughter and a stroller,
and I guess the guy appeared to be approaching you
as if he was going to ask something. So so
once you recognize that this guy's coming into your space
and make going to beeline to you, what happens from there?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Didn't actually see him make a bee line to me?
That's I heard that report later too, but I did
see the video afterwards. There's the restaurant that's all happened
right in front of. They were closed, but the video
cameras are really good quality. It shows this guy really
pissed off and throwing his bag down on the picnic
table in front of the restaurant, and he sheds one
(07:24):
of his shirts and throws that down and then he
bows up like he wants to tear my head off.
And I just looked up at that point and I go, oh,
something's bad, something bad's going to happen right here.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And what happened.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
He said I'm going to kill you. First he was
like snarling with his eyes bugged out. I guess crack
and met will do that to you. Then he changes
to looking like Jack Nicholson coming through the door in
the shining with the axe. So the grimace is there
and my eyes is zooming on his face. And that's
(08:01):
the worst thing I could have done, because this guy
is a lunatic. Anyway, he says I'm going to kill you,
and I just drew shot him.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
How close was he to you when you shot him?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, I thought he was like twenty feet away because
I tunnel vision. Turns out he was about four or
five feet.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Wow. Okay, hold with me just one. This is Selvester Turner,
the mayor, and a human being VOI.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
La Michael Bettyshaw.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
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(08:55):
on the site. Over the last few years have bought
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found women to be much more receptive than men. I
think it's a machismo thing. Men think that you want
to kill somebody, but I assure you don't want to
kill somebody. If you can help it. You want to
stop the threat, like this threat that Andrew mcnultius talking
(09:19):
about here. I found out during the break that there
was an officer involved shooting this morning. The suspect has
been arrested multiple times. The suspect fired ten rounds at
the officers before they returned fire, and they hit him twice.
(09:39):
Not clear yet what his status is or if any
officers were transported. Apparently not is the first report I got.
One of the officers had only been on the streets
for four days. Welcome to policing, son. How about that
callback to your wife or your mom? Hey? Mom, how's
(10:01):
it going? How's being a police? Uh? It's fine. Just
be careful out there, baby, it's dangerous. I know you're
gonna say it's not, but oh I'm not gonna say
that anymore. I got shot at today by a hardened criminal.
Andrew McNulty is our guest. He was a listener who
emailed in and in Portland. A guy charged him and
(10:21):
you shot him from four feet away with what what
were you carrying at?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
A little clock? Three fifty seven sig?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Thirty three glock?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
What thirty three? Three fifty seven?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Okay, and okay, hold on, I'm having audio problems. This
is not your fault. I'm hearing you say a sig
and I'm hearing you say a glock. What are you saying?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It's glock three fifty seven sig?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Oh sick? Oh okay, I'm not familiar with that terminology. Okay,
I know glock's long trigger pull. So where did you
have the gun secreted?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's on my left hip. I'm right handed, okay, a
cross straw.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Okay, And he couldn't see that you weren't open carrying.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, no, no, no, it's Portland. I would get jumped.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, no, I figured, I'm just I'm trying to figure
the story out here, all right, So sorry, sorry, you've
got it talked to? What in your waistband?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, it's actually my gut's a little bit too big
for it to be in there, So it's over to
the side, outside of my belt, okay, on my hip.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And as he starts charging, you reach across and draw
and pull out and are you just is it up
against your belly? Hat described for me the.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Shot put my hand on my waist and so there's
nothing between me and my body but the gun. As
far as charging at me, he disappeared had tunnel vision
at the time, so I assumed he was charging. The
video just shows him and I drew really quickly, so
(12:02):
it all happened within about three seconds. But things get
really weird when somebody tries to well, they said they're
going to murder you, and then they move sure.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Well, you know, I've heard all sorts of different numbers
as to how fast someone is moving in the distance.
They are away, but we're never as quick to get
to our weapon, aim in fire, or get to our
weapon and fire as we think. And people close ground
a lot faster than they think.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So you're just reacting.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, so and so did that drop him?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
He kept going and I don't even remember the second shot,
but I got him in the hand that time. According
to his father, he had got him four inches below
the heart with the first shot, but he was running.
He ran a little bit, maybe twenty twenty five feet
until down. I couldn't see him because I was just
focused on this little patch of bricks in the wall
(13:04):
at the restaurant because I couldn't see anything.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Really, So you fired two rounds? Yeah, So he stopped
charging and at that point staggers away twentyear twenty five
feet and then drops And what do you do?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Then try to get my head together. I put my
gun away because I figure, you're in Portland, Oregon, You're
going to freak people out. And I walked a little
bit further in the direction I was going to in
the first place, because I saw a couple of people
out in front of a restaurant and I asked them
to call the police, and Beefs showed up. I flagged
him down and had about seven pistols pointing at my chest,
(13:48):
which is pretty weird.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And so they booked you. They cuffed you, stuffed you,
took you down and booked you.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah. And if you're arrested on a Friday at five
point thirty, you're not now until Monday five point thirty.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, okay, So then what happened?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Judge lets me out, says you got to put away
all your guns and AMMO and reports of the beach trial.
Pearl person. I'm not sure about the terms because I
don't get arrested usually, and they set me up and
a friends said, look, I heard about what happened to you,
to call my lawyers, and I just let the ball
(14:31):
in their hands because I don't know what the hell
I'm doing. What do you do the end of the day,
I'm retired. If I happened for about fifteen years, okay.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
And so then are you arraigned? Are you indicted? What happens?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah? I went to before they let me out. The
judge told me, you know, reports of the par person.
And after about three or four weeks, my lawyers said
let's go to court, gonna We're gonna plead, just don't
say anything, let me do the talking, which was fine,
(15:08):
and Lud's father showed up and he called me a racist.
It stunk because I couldn't I couldn't open my mouth
and say anything about it, which kind of pissed me off. Frankly. Anyway,
at the end of the day, it dragged out for
about two years, and my homeowners insurance company paid this
(15:28):
dude three hundred thousand dollars. I had to pay him
two and a quarter about two hundred and twenty five
thousand dollars, and I spent about one hundred and thirteen
thousand and legal fees. So I think it may be
the burner would have been a good deal. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Think. Wow. That is uh, that is disturbing. It's thank you, Andrew.
I'm glad this is over and you've been able to
move beyond it. Every single American in the course of
our lives is going to come in contact with some
(16:08):
nonsense like this, and it is It's frustrating because you
don't ask for it, it lands on your doorstep. And
the kind of people who do this are surrounded by
a whole support network of the kind of people who
are going to criticize you for that person's behavior, and
(16:33):
there doesn't seem to be a way to stop it
anytime soon. Ramon is back after two weeks off on
a road trip with his extended family, including his parents
and his sisters and their spouses. Great job to Jim Mudd,
(16:53):
who filled in ably. He was wearing wearing two hats
during Ramone's absence and your pet you what your pins
were reversed? Oh, you couldn't see what colored. Oh he
puts the He puts the end of the pin that
shows the color down at the bottom. So you have
(17:15):
to pull him out to know what. Well, you know,
if that's the worst thing he did, you know he
did work some long hours. I have to say he
worked some very long hours in your absence and did
a fantastic job. It's interesting going back and listening to
the shows, how just the change in vibe in the
(17:37):
types of bump music Jim plays versus Ramone, How it
gives the show a different feel. I saw a documentary
on the effects of music in setting mood in movies commercials,
and they showed a crocodile bounding along and they did
(17:59):
like cute see music and you know, oh he's so sweet.
I like to take one of those home with me.
And then they did another one that was like Jaws
and you go, oh boy, that's menacing. Still the same video,
but the music changed the mood and changed your processing
of that. So we're faced with the decision in this country,
(18:21):
and it's not going to be one decision. I think
a lot of people hope they could just vote for
Trump and it would go away. We're faced with the decision.
We are at a challenging point in this country, and
even the conversation of the challenge makes people uncomfortable. And
first of all, we're going to have to get comfortable
(18:42):
with discomfort. I have watched people, for instance, raise children,
and one of their children end up an extreme schizophrenic,
for instance, or with extreme episodic insanity, and that might
(19:05):
mean self harm. It could be one friend his son
started harming his wife. So the son is harming his
own mother, and my friend would have to rush home
from work because the son was about he just graduated
high school and he was eighteen or nineteen and didn't
(19:26):
have a job, was home all day and mom was
trying to kind of gold him into, you know, finding
something productive to do with his life, and then he
would just unload on her. And so my friend was
at wits end. What to do, you know, do we
send this guy to jail? Do we? So they refinance
(19:49):
their house and send him to these treatments And it
really never ends when you realize you're going to have
to confront this problem and it's never going to end.
It's going to be a series of confrontations that must
be dealt with. And and that's a that's a that's
(20:14):
a tall order. It's not it's not set it and
forget it, Ron pol Peel. It's not easy, and it's
not pleasant to know that the America we know and
love has changed. And a lot of people I hear this,
I sense this a lot of people. Let's take New
(20:35):
York for instance. New York is about to be plunged
into the awful depths of not just socialism, Socialism in
and of itself would would be would be bad. You're
going to see a form of Islamic aggression in a
(20:58):
way we've never seen in this country. This isn't going
to be the nine to eleven Towers now, it will
be saying, for instance, after nine to eleven, Mamdani is
giving a speech, a much younger Mamdani, and he's talking
about the devastating effects of nine to eleven and how
(21:20):
hard that was to deal with. And the hard thing
that he had to deal with was that they had
to be looked at as different. They had to be
looked at as being similar to the people who who
did that. Never a mention of the people who died
in the towers. Everything is a very self absorbed, self
(21:47):
centered He and those who follow him see the world
with themselves as the epicenter, and everything else, everything you know,
is turned on its head because it's only seen through
his eyes. And you're talking about an individual who, in
(22:08):
some cases was when he first entered the room, the
only non Christian, the only Muslim, the only foreign born,
the only accent, the only filling to blame. And that
affected him. It made him angry, It made him vindictive,
(22:32):
and he is determined to remake not just New York,
but this country in an image that he has a
golden image, and that image is not what Americans want
to live in. Pakistan will be Pakistan, whether we move
(22:53):
there or not. We just won't know how bad it is.
There are countries that are awful by our measure to
live in, but the people there don't necessarily feel that way.
They feel sorry for us because we've got promiscuous women
wearing skirts that show their legs, we have women showing
(23:15):
their face. How can you live in this world of sin?
What a miserable, miserable, debauched place we must be to them,
Which is fine until people start trying to remake this
country in their image. But we've reached a point in
New York. Very likely we'll find out within a few days,
(23:37):
but I don't doubt this that we have reached a
point in this country where entire cities are going to fall.
New York is going to fall, And a lot of
Americans believe, well, you know what, let it hmm. It's
not that simple. It's not going to happen on an island.
(24:01):
It's going to affect you. It's going to affect aspects
of your life. It's going to continue to creep into
your life in ways big and small. But Minneapolis, for instance,
another perfect example. You got this Jacob Fry, a little
(24:22):
wheezily nude who happens to be Jewish, who happens to
be a left wing progressive who happened to pile on
to the George Floyd incident and make it seem like
cops are awful and white people are awful and black
people are all just just poor, poor people. Just we've
(24:45):
got a bunch of white people just running around killing
black people. And that worked for him, and the Somali community,
which is a growing and very organized community, supported him,
and he used that against Whitey until the Somali said, okay,
you're useful in this week. We're enough now. So now
they're tossing him out. They got this guy fate. This
(25:08):
guy's worse than Madonna. If the composition of your nation
changes so dramatically, both in raw numbers, culture, religion, values,
(25:28):
you're going to change the country, and you're going to
do so negatively. When you look at the immigration patterns
into this country that were once considered frightening to people,
the Irish coming into Boston, for instance, those were not
(25:52):
see change differences in the overall culture. They were Catholic,
which so were many Northeasterners. They were insular, to be sure,
they were clannish, to be sure, but by and large
(26:16):
the venn diagram of the average American of the time,
the old Boston Brahmans and the Irish immigrant was not
so different. They thought it was, but it wasn't because
you had a sense of a national spirit, a national culture,
(26:38):
guiding principles that were shared, and there was no divergence
from that. When the Italian mafia landed on American soil
and began spreading its tentacles, that was something America had
not seen. A crime syndicate so organized, so efficient, so
(27:06):
business like in operations, and so brutal in operations that
it's a wonder it was ever tamed. It really is.
The extent to which the mafia controlled swaths of land, operations,
(27:31):
dollars people, the number of people who lived in fear,
the number of people who were forced to fund it,
the breadth and depth of operations, the politicians they had
in their pocket. It's amazing that it was stopped or
slowed the way it was, And I would argue that
(27:56):
the cartels have that same capability in the South. We've
not seen the effects of the mafia the way people
who lived in Chicago and Detroit and Philly and New
York and Boston did, and how it affected every aspect
of your life, not just gunshots ringing out, but intimidation, beatings, extortion.
(28:25):
You owned a coffee shop or an ice cream shop
or a laundromat, You paid taxes to the government, you
paid taxes to the mafia, You ended updating the right girl,
You got your leg broken, your kid got hurt, your
car was blown up. Those sorts of things were real,
(28:45):
and they weren't isolated. They were a dominant culture, and
you didn't know who you could trust at what level
of government to protect.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You or to.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Punish. And now we have a series of arrows coming
into the tent from various places. The cartels are at
a point now, I think, where their operations have been
(29:15):
so upended that they're prone. I think it gets worse
before it gets better. First of all, the flow of
people into this country unabated was, without a doubt, their
business model. They had to have that. They had to
(29:36):
get contraband into this country, and they sent that through people.
The people themselves, especially the children, were contraband. So they
were selling sex. And I think we will eventually it
will be revealed to some extent, at least the degree
(29:57):
to which children were being tracked as sex slaves by
powerful people, by rich people within certain communities, and I
think it's going to be shocking. I think it's going
to be like when the Me Too movement took off
and you just woke up every day to see who
(30:17):
the next guy was it was going to fall, And
I think it's going to be that. I think we're
going to find out that a lot of massage parlors
are not actually ramon cover years. They're not actually conducting massage,
which okay, that's probably a consensual act. But was it
(30:42):
consensual or was it that person's decision to be working
inside there? Are they a legal adult? What happens when
things go wrong? I don't know. I don't know. I
think that we're going to see a lot of things
revealed that are going to be very surprised. The extent
(31:03):
to which it was almost out in the open, prominent people,
respected people, pillars of if not society, then pillars of
celebrity in Hollywood, music, media and media and film names
that you know, just look at the flight manifest of
(31:23):
the Epstein flights to to Orgy Island. You'll never get
me to believe that anybody was going to Orgy Island.
For any reason other than to participate in sex that
is illegal on American soil and immoral throughout the world,
(31:45):
and brutal. If ten percent of the stories that have
been told are true, brutal, and people who have great
degree of influence, some of them still in positions of
great influence, some of whom have been divorced over all
(32:09):
of this. So you've got this one element, which is
the cartels and the illegal immigration. We think of illegal
immigration as being Mexican, Honduran, Guatemalan. It's far more than that.
That was only one element. Then you've got people who
(32:29):
came here to set up cells, terror cells with training already.
It doesn't take very many. Look at nine to eleven.
It doesn't take very many. Look at Nadal Husaw, Nadal
Hassan who shot up Fort Hood. I don't want to
live in the kind of country where there are terror
(32:51):
attacks going off all the time. I was in London
when the IRA was active and there was a bomb threat.
We were in the middle of I was a young
lawyer in the middle of a meeting and there was
a bomb threat that went off, and I'm thinking, wow,
(33:13):
this is pretty scary. The people we were with said
not a big deal. Let's just get away from this.
We're taught to get away from the big buildings because
they are the targets. Go to a smaller So we
went and had a sandwich, made the most of it.
You know, might as well have a sandwich. Wow, you're
at it. But I don't want to have to live
in a country where we have to constantly be dealing
(33:35):
with that. And then we have enough of an internal threat.
We've got a race problem on our hands and a
crime problem on our hands that we've not been able
to deal with. And you know how we're dealing with it.
We're leaving the cities. We're going to be let In
ten years, our major cities, to the extent they're not already,
are going to be uninhabitable
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