November 24, 2025 • 31 mins
Discover the powerful story of Gold Star father Tom Logan and his son, Marine Corporal Joey Logan. From a 16,000-mile fishing trip to coping with loss after a helicopter crash in Afghanistan, Tom shares how he turned grief into purpose by creating a Montana retreat for veterans.
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not just being bounced around like a pinball, because it
will be over before you know it. Hug them tight
while you got him. I received an email from a
fellow that said, years ago, your show assisted us in
the death of our Marine son, Corporal Joseph Joey Logan.
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I recently released a book, Fishing with Joey, which details
our three month cross country fishing trip before Joey was
deployed to Afghanistan. During the trip, we covered sixteen thousand
miles together. It was every father's dream and little did
I know that it would be our last. Would your
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show be interested in featuring a brief interview regarding the
book and my experiences in becoming a gold Star family member.
Thank you for considering this, and of course for your
previous assistance with our family situation. Sincerely, Tom Logan, Willis, Texas.
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Tom, Thank you very much. It's been an honor. And
you wouldn't believe emotions right now, It's amazing. Yep. I
would believe them.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I just can't understand them, and that is because I
haven't felt what you felt. I can only imagine, and
I suspect that what I imagine is one percent or less.
It is an exponential explosion of grief that you have
to have losing your son. We're not supposed to bury
our children. It's just not supposed to happen. No, it isn't,
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but it happens.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You know war.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
The book is called Fishing with Joey, And let's take
it in a timeline, slowly, piece by piece. Let's talk
about your son Joey. Tell me about him as a kid,
when he was a little f uh.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Joey was always that a personality he had, He had
an opinion about everything, just like his dad, and we
had to problem him back several times. He can imagine
he was a protector even when he was younger. If
he saw something not right or wrong, or somebody's getting
picked on, he would stepped in and he got in
trouble for a few fights. But he was he was
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the he was the person that people respected and they
didn't mess with. And that followed on through his whole life,
you know, even in high school. I remember one time
that the new kid came into school and the regular
thugs were picking on him, and Joyce's comarre sit with
me at lunch and they're not going to bother you again,
and they left him alone. So he hadn't He had
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a presence all the time, which was great.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And how did you come to find out that he
was going to join the Marines?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Was this a surprise? Is something he had talked about? No,
it wasn't really surprised because just a brief story of
our family history, there were so many members in our
family that served in the military, probably on both sides
of the family. I mean, even going back to the
Civil War. My grandfather on the Italian side immigrated from
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Italy prior to World War one. He wanted to be
a citizen so bad that he enlisted in the army
and went back to France and fought into battles and
the trenches. And then after that, dads, my dads and
uncles and his brothers and their brothers and everybody else
served in World War Two, had uncles and relatives in Korea.
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Mabbey and I are Vietnam era veterans, and we had
three children involved in the Golf Wars when Joey passed away.
Was Joey, Tommy my oldest son, who was in the Navy,
and Andy, my youngest daughter, was in the Marine Corps.
And plus my son in law was in the army.
And then my daughter Andy's husband was also in the
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Marine Corps. So we've been we've been up there on
the front lines quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And all of those entered the Marine Corps before Joey did.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
They were all about the same time. Tommy and Joey
were in a race to join the Marine colign An Army. Yeah,
it was the wars were going on, it was active.
Everything was going on in irracing Aghaanstan and what was
going to do. Sorry, I'm sorry, they knew what was
going on. They knew the war was there, you.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Know, what was going on in his life personally when
he makes the decision to join the Marines. Is he working,
is he home from school? Is he figuring it out?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
He had just graduated high school. And I guess you
don't realize that your children listen to you and emulate
you their whole life, but you don't think they're paying attention.
But he saw what my wife and I did. We
you know, we enlisted there in the Vietnam War, and
both of us served in the Houston Police Department. I
did twenty one years, twenty eight years. Debt did twenty
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one years. So he was he was he was looking
at something to serve. He wanted to help, and and
all of a sudden he starts going to the recruiters
that he he depends. He decided, I'm gonna go on
in the Rine Corps. All right. Tom Logan is our guest.
The book is called Fishing with Joey.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Where I can't believe he just said that happens the
Michael Arry Show.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Tom Logan is our guest. His son, Marine Corporal Joey Logan.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Was deployed to Afghanistan, where he died in a helicopter crash.
Prior to that, for three months, Tom Logan traveled across
the country, spending father sometime. He wrote a book about
what that time meant to him, called Fishing with Joey
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and he is our guest. Tom ray Hunt tells me
that many years ago y'all rode together. Y'all were partners
at HPD.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Oh yeah, night shift on the West Side. We had
some rowdy times theand man, wow.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I said, I said, tell me some interesting things about it,
And he said, he's just a calm transplant from some
Yankee state. I can't recall which one. I think we
rode t two o G eighties.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Beat is that right? Twenty G eighties? How do you
say that? Yep? Yeah, yeah, Twin Georgia up the north
end of this city up there, Yeah where west Time
Mari area, all the way out to thee the city
limits back then? Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Oh oh no, no, no, that's a different He's told
me about different areas that he worked over the years.
So you go on this trip with your son three months,
you know, nobody thinks to do that. What most people
would have said is when you get back you'll have
some great stories to tell me. So when you get back,
let's let's take some time. How did you have three
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months you retired by that time.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, I had just retired in two thousand and eight.
I went into work one day and it looked around
he had twenty eight years with HPD, and I'm like,
I'm done. You know, you get to the point, you know,
when you've had enough. And you know, at that many years,
we were settled w and I had a house up here,
and Willison she had retired already, and the kids were
getting older. I mean, you know, Joe was eighteen nineteen then,
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and I says, we lost a lot of time with
our kids because we worked so much. So you know,
you can't make it up what you could do with them,
but you can. And that's what happened with the decision
trip with Joe. He was the only one out of
five kids that really loved the outdoors like I did,
and we decided after he graduated from high school, I
was going to go fishing for the first year. I
told my wife. She said, well, you're a fisher, holice,
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just go, but you're taking him with you. I'm like, yeah,
I know, but he had herself pretty bad falling on
a piece of glass way prior to that, and he
had severed his artery, tendance, nerves and everything in his hand.
And he called me, you know his dad, Dad, my
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wrist is cutting blood is square. I got my wrist,
I said, Joe, get your friends to put a tourniquet
out there and rush you to the emergency room. So
that was the beginning of his rehab and his journey.
Also because he was already pre enlisted in the Marine
Corps and he figured, I'm done. I'm going to be
a cripple my whole life. Because the wound was severe
or terrible. And the surgeon that put his hand back together,
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How can there be a microsurgeon on call at four
o'clock in the morning, And so this poor kids handback together, nerves, iuries, tendons,
liquaments and everything. And there was actually no record in
the books of who the surgeon was. So I look
at it. I look at it as an angel putting
that kid's hand back together and given a chance in life.
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It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I would love to find out who that hand surgeon was.
When would this have been and where.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
This was graduated? High school two thousand and eight, so
it'd be two thousand and eight, and it would be
about six months prior to us going fishing. We started
fishing in the May June, so that would be uh,
that would be timeline. So that's made June of nine.
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Has he graduated, because he's graduated at that point. He
graduated eight. Okay, so you got to back up, back
up about six months, seven months prior to that, so
it would be beginning of beginning of eight. And where
was the surgeon. Where was the surgery performed? From my knowledge,
they took them to Ben tob and from there we're
we're in panic mode. I couldn't even tell you. I've
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got the medical record. So okay, well there's your answer.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You know, doctors have told me when you have a
severe trauma like that Ben Todd.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Is because they're doing that all night long.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I mean, if you've I've been down there in the
middle of the night's gunshots, knife things.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's it's rough. Yeah, I worked at Ben Top night
shift route there.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Those guys are a drilling junkies, and those those guys,
those goosh guys are amazing. I mean to think what
a toll that takes on you. But you know that's there.
That's kind of their super Bowl. They're they're good at it.
They're making a professional reward, all right, So y'all start
the fishing trip.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Tell me about that. Well, prior to that, he had
to go through rehab because his hand was so messed up.
So he had to go through physical therapy and he
had just a wonderful nurse and I think he sort
of fell in love with her too, but that's that's
a whole nother story. And it got to the point
that his hand was working, but it wasn't working properly.
So I decided I was going to go fishing anyway,
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and Debbie and I decided he's going to go. So
I told him, get your fishing rod, get your fly rod,
get out in the backyard. Let me see you cast it.
You know, he was whining about it. I'm like, I
don't think I can't. I'm gonna do it. You know,
I don't play my kids. They get their hardcore. And
he started doing it. He started doing it. Okay, we're
going to load the truck with everything we got and
fishing camping gear, Coleman stoves, you know, all the fly
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rods and spinning rods and everything you could imagine to
go on a fishing trip. But he had no idea
that we're gonna stay gone from god June too. We
got back mid October. It was almost four months by
time we got back. And the first thing he says,
where were going to go? Arkansas. I'm like, we're going
to start there. So we used to fight fish the
White River in Arkansas for trout, and it was, you know,
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an amazing place to fish because anybody can catch a
fish there. And that's how we started. And I had
the whole route planned out a year ahead of time
for myself with the trout magazines of fishing magazine, so
I had got to all the you know itinerary to
go and I highlighted every place we're going to go.
And then while we were on our way, we loaded
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the truck and left and Debby waved goodbye to see
you guys later. And I don't think she knew how
long we're gonna stay gone. So tell me about that trip. Well,
it's like I said, it started in Arkansas, and we
fished nine states, most of them Western Mississippi. There was Arkansas,
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naturally Missouri Oregon, Washington, Montana, Idaho, Colorado, Nice, Arizona, I'm
not done yet, Arizona, Wyoming, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan. And
we drove. I drove most of the time, sixteen thousand miles.
Are you familiar with the Lewis and Clark expedition? Of course, yeah,
Well they only traveled eight thousand miles and we doubled there. Yeah,
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we doubled their expedition, but they weren't doing it at
eighty miles an hour. I don't hold on just a second.
The book is called Fishing with Joey. We're talking to
a gold star Dad, Tom Logan.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Were coming on the most dangerous places between Sheila Jackson
Lee and the Camp Maco Berry.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And the Triple Crown.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Weave is you know, Tilton to the side, the leaning
tower of They retired HPD officer on right now. But
I spent three months with his son Joey Logan before
Joey would go off to serve in Afghanistan, where he
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was deployed as a marine. That trip would be the last.
He wrote a book about it after his son Joey
Logan died in Afghanistan, and the book is called Fishing
with Joey. You can find it wherever you buy your books, online, bookstores,
you name it. So Tom Logan, tell me about the
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day and we'll come back to the trip itself. But
tell me about the day that you get the awful
news about your son.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, it's it's it's riveting. It's like I say, we
were at home the ten thirty at night. But prior
to that, in the morning, Joe had called us from
Afghanistan and he says, Hey, I'm coming home in twenty
eight days. I'm going to take your truck and do
all kinds of stuff. And the main thing he had
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he said, he was focused on, I'm going to go
visit every living relative I have, from grandparents to babies.
And I'm like, Joe, that's impossible. You can't do it
in thirty days. See, I'm going to do it. And
the ironic thing that happened is every living family member
that we had at ten at his funeral. How does
that happen? I mean, it's impossible, But they came, came,
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he came home, and they came home to send him
to heaven, you know, and you know you just talked
to him that that morning Hey, I'm coming home. I
can't wait. You know, we're going to go fishing again.
We got all kinds of stuff to do. I hope.
I was planning on as I got older, him taking
me somewhere, you know, and that was our plan and
never never retained tuition. So we get to knock on
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the door ten thirty at night and Debbie's looking out
the window. He says, there's two marines out there and
one looks like Joey. I said, death. There's no way
that can be joe We just talked to him in Afghanistan,
and then the reality said him. And we opened the
door and they, you know, they presented themselves and they
presented a paperwork and said Joey had been killed in
a helicopter crash, and everything went spiraling downhill. From there.
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You're in disbelief. You have no clue what your mind
goes through and where your senses go. It was just
it was devastating. You know. At that time, we had
three kids deployed. Tommy was in the Persian golf, Andy
was marine course, she was flying drone somewhere, and Joey
was in combat find finding helicopters. So at first we
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didn't know what happened to any of them, and then
they told us about joe what happened As far as
the helicopter crash. You're saying, well, this there's always controversy
about that kind of stuff, you know. And they're flying
a resupply mission to a fob out in the the
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on the desert out there, and the unit that was
out there was running along supplies. They had didn't have
harden any food of the water, and they could not
come back in by road because the i DS and
the Taliban were really intense out there. So Joey and
his crew it was the second second resupply that night,
flew out the second time to drop off supplies to them,
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and it was just a random ran M resupply. They'd
done it hundreds of times. And there were two helicopters
went out. They'd go out in pairs. And I talked
to the other crew of the other helicopter and all
they said they saw a flash and then the helicopter
started coming out of sky, hit the ground, exploded and
caught on fire. And that's that's the crash. And we
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don't know if it was mechanical or enemy fire, but
Joey always talked about the golden bullet. He says, all
you need is the right bullet in the right place,
and you've got problems mechanically. And he said, as soon
as we left base there at Camp Leather, at Camp Bastion,
we're catching ground fire from the time we flew out
to the time and came back, So anything could have happened.
And the Marine, i mean, the Department of Navy sent
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us a redacted a report of everything, and I have
not read the whole thing yet because it's too it's
too intense, because you could imagine what happens when you
fall from four thousand feet and hit the ground and explode,
catching on fire, you know. So that memory is forever
in my mind. It's not going to go away, you know.
And six good marine died that night, you know. And
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it was it was not just joe It's there was
you know, the pilot which is Daniel Bartle and Nathan
McCone was a coned pilot of both captains UH Master
Sergeant Travis Riddick, he was Master sergeant, had twenty years
he could have retired. He went back to Aghanistan. Jesse
Sipes was a corporal Kevin Reinhert was a corporal and
Joe was a corporal and they love what they're doing.
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Joey called me one time from Afghanistan. I guess what,
I got the greatest job in the world. I'm like,
tell me what? Come on? And he says, I get
the I around helicopters all day and all night, shoot
big guns that get paid for them. I Joe, just
get home. It's just quick enough is enough. You've fought
enough wars out there. In that last deployment, he was
the most flown observer aerial observer, which means he was
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on a fifty cal machine gun with two other corporals
giving ground support to the troops on the ground. And
he was awarded two Arrowing Medals with Strike Flight, which
means he who in that deployment seven months over forty
two combat missions. So he was running a gun and
that many times. And John knows how many other missions.
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He flew resupplies and they had special ops. I've talked
to some Marines and MARSAC guys. Yeah, those guys were
flying us all over the place. So those men, those
Marines were really intense, dedicated individuals. Comp superman. There are heroes.
So that's that's what it was all about. They stepped
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forward their over the less of one percent of this country.
They said, I'm going to do this for our country,
our flag, our nation, people of population here, and I
wish more people would understand that, you know, and show
these guys some respect and honor they deserve. Yeah. Yeah,
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and that's what I's I think that's what the main
reason for writing this book was because there was a
divine intervention with me because I'm not that bright. I
might sound like I got a brain half the time
is you know, turn off. But I started journaling from
the first day, writing notes and journaling and remembering stuff,
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and you know, his military experiences, the fishing trip and
everything else. And to some of the wonderful people. Over
the last thirteen years, they have come into our lives
and they still are helping, which is amazing that there's
so so many great patriots, of so many great individuals
in this country that really care, and that that makes
me feel good. Every day I wake up like what's
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the next email, who's the next phone call? I call
them miracles.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Hold on just a moment, Hold on, just a moment.
Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing
with Joey. This is not a war story. This is
a story about grief and dealing with it and making.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
The most memories. And he will take it to that level.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Coming up, Jelly and the girls all get pretty at
closing time when you're listening to the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Make memories, folks, and while you still can, you just
don't know. We're not promised tomorrow. HPD officer Tom Logan
had retired after twenty eight years on the department. His
wife twenty one retired to Willis, Texas. His son, Joseph
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Joey Logan had just graduated in Willis, Texas and signed
up for the Marines. He's headed off his dad and
he go on a three month cross country fishing trip
across multiple states and countries, and they made memories. His
son would pass in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan, and
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he began journaling about those what he called divine coincidences
to deal with his grief, and out of that came
the Fishing with Joey.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You can find it.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
On Amazon or at any bookstore or wherever else you
buy your books. Is there a website for this book, Tom, Yeah,
it's on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You click on it and you just put in fishing
for Joey and it comes up, you know, for sale
there in Amazon. I like to see something about Amazon too.
The book is in the pretty much religious, spiritual Christian
book and death and grief category and right now is
sitting at number one as far as Amazon, and it's
ready to five stars. I was, Oh, that's good, right,
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that is amazing. And nothing get the five star in
this world, buddy, it's always four and three eighths or
whatever else or a two.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
You are, You're a five star gold star Dad. I
think it's fantastic that out of this grief you managed
to channel that into something that can help other people.
And and that's a very selfless act. Hard, I think
for some people to realize that. But I know you
know that as a law enforcement officer from a family
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of service. I read that you're that you created a
Montana Mountain retreat out of this.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Tell me about that. Oh that was that's that's another miracle.
I mean, Joey and I fished so many places, and
after we came out of British Columbia, we dropped down
into Montana. Libby Montana, and that's when I think he
fell in love with Montana and he just talked about it,
talked about it. Matter of fact, Daniel Bartlet, pilot was
from Montana, so I think they both had conversations about Montana,
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whither buying and hanging out together. So Joey's last phone
call home that morning I was telling about earlier, was
all about buying property in Montana, building cabins for Marine
Corps buds to come back and just decompress and relax
and enjoy the enjoy the wilderness. And then you know,
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that night, we got the call and Debbie, my wife,
said we need to do this for Joey. That's his legacy.
I'm like, Dad, it's really hard for me to go
back and retrace all those places and all the memories
were well up, and she said, we're doing it. So
we ended up getting into We went in a Toyota
Corola and drove all the way back to Montana, talked
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to a couple of real estate agents, and we finally
found this beautiful piece of Montana wilderness, one hundred and
sixty five acres four miles up on a mountain road
in the middle of Lolo National Forest and Lolo National
Forest running. Our property is three thousand, one hundred and
fifty square miles of Montana, Idaho wilderness. So it's it's
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it's it's unbelievable that that happened. There's no there's no
possible way unless the hand of God just guided us
right to the place. And from there we started building
six cabins, and one in honor of each of our
fallen marines. Then we've got five out of six up
and running. We've got one more to put up, and
our goal is to get our combat veterans and disabled
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veterans up there and we'll let them enjoy what Joey
and I enjoyed and what we love. And it's beautifless
off the grid. A lot of times there's no cell
phone or internet reception, so you've got to enjoy your surroundings.
You can't be on the phone round the laptop, you know,
connecting with the real world. And that's what it's all about.
Disconnect and relax and look at the stars at night,
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look at the wilderness. Going to hike. The Clark Fork
River is right down the mountain below us, and there's
fishing there, kayaking, canoeing, all kinds of outdoor activities. So if
you love the outdoors, it's a perfect place to bring yourself,
your fellow Marines, soldiers, Navy, and your families. We want
to have a family orient because when guys come back
from the deployment, they're disconnected. They never leave the war,
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and their families suffer. Their kids suffer, their wife suffer.
People don't understand the PTSD and everything else that is
wrapped up in their minds, plus the physical physical injuries.
It's a really hard road to tow. Matter of fact,
I'm going to a PTSD meeting every Tuesday at the
Messodist Church in the Woodlands strictly for combat PTSD veterans,
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and I guess I got grief, grief, PTSD demeter the
same things. Because all we do is think about what happened.
It's hard, it's hard to hard to process. So that's
why we're up there in Montana and we do it
seasonally from end of May until October for the snow
starts hitting again. They we're back to Texas working and stuff. Here.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I'm involved with a group called the PTSD Foundation of
America and residential facility called Camp Hope, and.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
That's that's that's where these guys come from. Camp Hope
and I'm a good probably hopefully this week and actually
do a tour with them and talk to the management
up there and see if they cause figure out how
to sense a group of guys up there. Just a
just a that's what I was thinking. That's what I
was thinking. What a neat deal.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
One hundred and sixty four acres next to the Lolo
National Forest in Montana and soon to be six cabins
five so far. That's uh, you know that that is
really that's incredible. That y'all have been able to pull
that off is incredible. Two police officers and able to
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make this a reality as man. It's just it's a
it really is amazing. I have about a minute left.
Why don't you share with us how you deal with
what has to be crippling.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Grief? Have you learned some some things that you can
share on that? Yeah, And I think that's the basic
reason for the book. I want to share what I
do and with other gold Star families all over the country,
all over the world, and it's finding something positive every day,
something that makes you happy, relive the good memories and
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the bad memories, will always be there. But take it
upon yourself to enjoy every minute of your life, enjoy
your family, your children, and the people that surround you
that are good people, and make it a celebration of
their lives. And that's that's what it's all about you,
as far as I'm concerned, and every every day I
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get up, I've got so many hobbies with the outdoors
and hunting and fishing and stuff like that. And I
was working with Healing Waters for a while, helping them
build fly rods or disabled vets and fishing and stuff
like that. So I always get involved with a like
minded group and people that they love their kids as
much as we love ours.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Thank you for telling your story. Thank you for your
family service. The book is called Fishing with Joey
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So
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You can put this next segment into the burgeoning file
you have in your mind of do it today because
tomorrow is not promised. Live your life with purpose and intention,
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not just being bounced around like a pinball, because it
will be over before you know it. Hug them tight
while you got him. I received an email from a
fellow that said, years ago, your show assisted us in
the death of our Marine son, Corporal Joseph Joey Logan.
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I recently released a book, Fishing with Joey, which details
our three month cross country fishing trip before Joey was
deployed to Afghanistan. During the trip, we covered sixteen thousand
miles together. It was every father's dream and little did
I know that it would be our last. Would your
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show be interested in featuring a brief interview regarding the
book and my experiences in becoming a gold Star family member.
Thank you for considering this, and of course for your
previous assistance with our family situation. Sincerely, Tom Logan, Willis, Texas.
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Tom, Thank you very much. It's been an honor. And
you wouldn't believe emotions right now, It's amazing. Yep. I
would believe them.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I just can't understand them, and that is because I
haven't felt what you felt. I can only imagine, and
I suspect that what I imagine is one percent or less.
It is an exponential explosion of grief that you have
to have losing your son. We're not supposed to bury
our children. It's just not supposed to happen. No, it isn't,
(04:43):
but it happens.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You know war.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
The book is called Fishing with Joey, And let's take
it in a timeline, slowly, piece by piece. Let's talk
about your son Joey. Tell me about him as a kid,
when he was a little f uh.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Joey was always that a personality he had, He had
an opinion about everything, just like his dad, and we
had to problem him back several times. He can imagine
he was a protector even when he was younger. If
he saw something not right or wrong, or somebody's getting
picked on, he would stepped in and he got in
trouble for a few fights. But he was he was
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the he was the person that people respected and they
didn't mess with. And that followed on through his whole life,
you know, even in high school. I remember one time
that the new kid came into school and the regular
thugs were picking on him, and Joyce's comarre sit with
me at lunch and they're not going to bother you again,
and they left him alone. So he hadn't He had
(05:45):
a presence all the time, which was great.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And how did you come to find out that he
was going to join the Marines?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Was this a surprise? Is something he had talked about? No,
it wasn't really surprised because just a brief story of
our family history, there were so many members in our
family that served in the military, probably on both sides
of the family. I mean, even going back to the
Civil War. My grandfather on the Italian side immigrated from
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Italy prior to World War one. He wanted to be
a citizen so bad that he enlisted in the army
and went back to France and fought into battles and
the trenches. And then after that, dads, my dads and
uncles and his brothers and their brothers and everybody else
served in World War Two, had uncles and relatives in Korea.
(06:36):
Mabbey and I are Vietnam era veterans, and we had
three children involved in the Golf Wars when Joey passed away.
Was Joey, Tommy my oldest son, who was in the Navy,
and Andy, my youngest daughter, was in the Marine Corps.
And plus my son in law was in the army.
And then my daughter Andy's husband was also in the
(06:58):
Marine Corps. So we've been we've been up there on
the front lines quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And all of those entered the Marine Corps before Joey did.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
They were all about the same time. Tommy and Joey
were in a race to join the Marine colign An Army. Yeah,
it was the wars were going on, it was active.
Everything was going on in irracing Aghaanstan and what was
going to do. Sorry, I'm sorry, they knew what was
going on. They knew the war was there, you.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Know, what was going on in his life personally when
he makes the decision to join the Marines. Is he working,
is he home from school? Is he figuring it out?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
He had just graduated high school. And I guess you
don't realize that your children listen to you and emulate
you their whole life, but you don't think they're paying attention.
But he saw what my wife and I did. We
you know, we enlisted there in the Vietnam War, and
both of us served in the Houston Police Department. I
did twenty one years, twenty eight years. Debt did twenty
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one years. So he was he was he was looking
at something to serve. He wanted to help, and and
all of a sudden he starts going to the recruiters
that he he depends. He decided, I'm gonna go on
in the Rine Corps. All right. Tom Logan is our guest.
The book is called Fishing with Joey.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Where I can't believe he just said that happens the
Michael Arry Show.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Tom Logan is our guest. His son, Marine Corporal Joey Logan.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Was deployed to Afghanistan, where he died in a helicopter crash.
Prior to that, for three months, Tom Logan traveled across
the country, spending father sometime. He wrote a book about
what that time meant to him, called Fishing with Joey
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and he is our guest. Tom ray Hunt tells me
that many years ago y'all rode together. Y'all were partners
at HPD.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Oh yeah, night shift on the West Side. We had
some rowdy times theand man, wow.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I said, I said, tell me some interesting things about it,
And he said, he's just a calm transplant from some
Yankee state. I can't recall which one. I think we
rode t two o G eighties.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Beat is that right? Twenty G eighties? How do you
say that? Yep? Yeah, yeah, Twin Georgia up the north
end of this city up there, Yeah where west Time
Mari area, all the way out to thee the city
limits back then? Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Oh oh no, no, no, that's a different He's told
me about different areas that he worked over the years.
So you go on this trip with your son three months,
you know, nobody thinks to do that. What most people
would have said is when you get back you'll have
some great stories to tell me. So when you get back,
let's let's take some time. How did you have three
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months you retired by that time.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, I had just retired in two thousand and eight.
I went into work one day and it looked around
he had twenty eight years with HPD, and I'm like,
I'm done. You know, you get to the point, you know,
when you've had enough. And you know, at that many years,
we were settled w and I had a house up here,
and Willison she had retired already, and the kids were
getting older. I mean, you know, Joe was eighteen nineteen then,
(10:22):
and I says, we lost a lot of time with
our kids because we worked so much. So you know,
you can't make it up what you could do with them,
but you can. And that's what happened with the decision
trip with Joe. He was the only one out of
five kids that really loved the outdoors like I did,
and we decided after he graduated from high school, I
was going to go fishing for the first year. I
told my wife. She said, well, you're a fisher, holice,
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just go, but you're taking him with you. I'm like, yeah,
I know, but he had herself pretty bad falling on
a piece of glass way prior to that, and he
had severed his artery, tendance, nerves and everything in his hand.
And he called me, you know his dad, Dad, my
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wrist is cutting blood is square. I got my wrist,
I said, Joe, get your friends to put a tourniquet
out there and rush you to the emergency room. So
that was the beginning of his rehab and his journey.
Also because he was already pre enlisted in the Marine
Corps and he figured, I'm done. I'm going to be
a cripple my whole life. Because the wound was severe
or terrible. And the surgeon that put his hand back together,
(11:31):
How can there be a microsurgeon on call at four
o'clock in the morning, And so this poor kids handback together, nerves, iuries, tendons,
liquaments and everything. And there was actually no record in
the books of who the surgeon was. So I look
at it. I look at it as an angel putting
that kid's hand back together and given a chance in life.
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It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I would love to find out who that hand surgeon was.
When would this have been and where.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
This was graduated? High school two thousand and eight, so
it'd be two thousand and eight, and it would be
about six months prior to us going fishing. We started
fishing in the May June, so that would be uh,
that would be timeline. So that's made June of nine.
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Has he graduated, because he's graduated at that point. He
graduated eight. Okay, so you got to back up, back
up about six months, seven months prior to that, so
it would be beginning of beginning of eight. And where
was the surgeon. Where was the surgery performed? From my knowledge,
they took them to Ben tob and from there we're
we're in panic mode. I couldn't even tell you. I've
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got the medical record. So okay, well there's your answer.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You know, doctors have told me when you have a
severe trauma like that Ben Todd.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Is because they're doing that all night long.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I mean, if you've I've been down there in the
middle of the night's gunshots, knife things.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's it's rough. Yeah, I worked at Ben Top night
shift route there.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Those guys are a drilling junkies, and those those guys,
those goosh guys are amazing. I mean to think what
a toll that takes on you. But you know that's there.
That's kind of their super Bowl. They're they're good at it.
They're making a professional reward, all right, So y'all start
the fishing trip.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Tell me about that. Well, prior to that, he had
to go through rehab because his hand was so messed up.
So he had to go through physical therapy and he
had just a wonderful nurse and I think he sort
of fell in love with her too, but that's that's
a whole nother story. And it got to the point
that his hand was working, but it wasn't working properly.
So I decided I was going to go fishing anyway,
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and Debbie and I decided he's going to go. So
I told him, get your fishing rod, get your fly rod,
get out in the backyard. Let me see you cast it.
You know, he was whining about it. I'm like, I
don't think I can't. I'm gonna do it. You know,
I don't play my kids. They get their hardcore. And
he started doing it. He started doing it. Okay, we're
going to load the truck with everything we got and
fishing camping gear, Coleman stoves, you know, all the fly
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rods and spinning rods and everything you could imagine to
go on a fishing trip. But he had no idea
that we're gonna stay gone from god June too. We
got back mid October. It was almost four months by
time we got back. And the first thing he says,
where were going to go? Arkansas. I'm like, we're going
to start there. So we used to fight fish the
White River in Arkansas for trout, and it was, you know,
(14:27):
an amazing place to fish because anybody can catch a
fish there. And that's how we started. And I had
the whole route planned out a year ahead of time
for myself with the trout magazines of fishing magazine, so
I had got to all the you know itinerary to
go and I highlighted every place we're going to go.
And then while we were on our way, we loaded
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the truck and left and Debby waved goodbye to see
you guys later. And I don't think she knew how
long we're gonna stay gone. So tell me about that trip. Well,
it's like I said, it started in Arkansas, and we
fished nine states, most of them Western Mississippi. There was Arkansas,
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naturally Missouri Oregon, Washington, Montana, Idaho, Colorado, Nice, Arizona, I'm
not done yet, Arizona, Wyoming, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan. And
we drove. I drove most of the time, sixteen thousand miles.
Are you familiar with the Lewis and Clark expedition? Of course, yeah,
Well they only traveled eight thousand miles and we doubled there. Yeah,
(15:36):
we doubled their expedition, but they weren't doing it at
eighty miles an hour. I don't hold on just a second.
The book is called Fishing with Joey. We're talking to
a gold star Dad, Tom Logan.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Were coming on the most dangerous places between Sheila Jackson
Lee and the Camp Maco Berry.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And the Triple Crown.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Weave is you know, Tilton to the side, the leaning
tower of They retired HPD officer on right now. But
I spent three months with his son Joey Logan before
Joey would go off to serve in Afghanistan, where he
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was deployed as a marine. That trip would be the last.
He wrote a book about it after his son Joey
Logan died in Afghanistan, and the book is called Fishing
with Joey. You can find it wherever you buy your books, online, bookstores,
you name it. So Tom Logan, tell me about the
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day and we'll come back to the trip itself. But
tell me about the day that you get the awful
news about your son.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, it's it's it's riveting. It's like I say, we
were at home the ten thirty at night. But prior
to that, in the morning, Joe had called us from
Afghanistan and he says, Hey, I'm coming home in twenty
eight days. I'm going to take your truck and do
all kinds of stuff. And the main thing he had
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he said, he was focused on, I'm going to go
visit every living relative I have, from grandparents to babies.
And I'm like, Joe, that's impossible. You can't do it
in thirty days. See, I'm going to do it. And
the ironic thing that happened is every living family member
that we had at ten at his funeral. How does
that happen? I mean, it's impossible, But they came, came,
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he came home, and they came home to send him
to heaven, you know, and you know you just talked
to him that that morning Hey, I'm coming home. I
can't wait. You know, we're going to go fishing again.
We got all kinds of stuff to do. I hope.
I was planning on as I got older, him taking
me somewhere, you know, and that was our plan and
never never retained tuition. So we get to knock on
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the door ten thirty at night and Debbie's looking out
the window. He says, there's two marines out there and
one looks like Joey. I said, death. There's no way
that can be joe We just talked to him in Afghanistan,
and then the reality said him. And we opened the
door and they, you know, they presented themselves and they
presented a paperwork and said Joey had been killed in
a helicopter crash, and everything went spiraling downhill. From there.
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You're in disbelief. You have no clue what your mind
goes through and where your senses go. It was just
it was devastating. You know. At that time, we had
three kids deployed. Tommy was in the Persian golf, Andy
was marine course, she was flying drone somewhere, and Joey
was in combat find finding helicopters. So at first we
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didn't know what happened to any of them, and then
they told us about joe what happened As far as
the helicopter crash. You're saying, well, this there's always controversy
about that kind of stuff, you know. And they're flying
a resupply mission to a fob out in the the
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on the desert out there, and the unit that was
out there was running along supplies. They had didn't have
harden any food of the water, and they could not
come back in by road because the i DS and
the Taliban were really intense out there. So Joey and
his crew it was the second second resupply that night,
flew out the second time to drop off supplies to them,
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and it was just a random ran M resupply. They'd
done it hundreds of times. And there were two helicopters
went out. They'd go out in pairs. And I talked
to the other crew of the other helicopter and all
they said they saw a flash and then the helicopter
started coming out of sky, hit the ground, exploded and
caught on fire. And that's that's the crash. And we
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don't know if it was mechanical or enemy fire, but
Joey always talked about the golden bullet. He says, all
you need is the right bullet in the right place,
and you've got problems mechanically. And he said, as soon
as we left base there at Camp Leather, at Camp Bastion,
we're catching ground fire from the time we flew out
to the time and came back, So anything could have happened.
And the Marine, i mean, the Department of Navy sent
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us a redacted a report of everything, and I have
not read the whole thing yet because it's too it's
too intense, because you could imagine what happens when you
fall from four thousand feet and hit the ground and explode,
catching on fire, you know. So that memory is forever
in my mind. It's not going to go away, you know.
And six good marine died that night, you know. And
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it was it was not just joe It's there was
you know, the pilot which is Daniel Bartle and Nathan
McCone was a coned pilot of both captains UH Master
Sergeant Travis Riddick, he was Master sergeant, had twenty years
he could have retired. He went back to Aghanistan. Jesse
Sipes was a corporal Kevin Reinhert was a corporal and
Joe was a corporal and they love what they're doing.
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Joey called me one time from Afghanistan. I guess what,
I got the greatest job in the world. I'm like,
tell me what? Come on? And he says, I get
the I around helicopters all day and all night, shoot
big guns that get paid for them. I Joe, just
get home. It's just quick enough is enough. You've fought
enough wars out there. In that last deployment, he was
the most flown observer aerial observer, which means he was
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on a fifty cal machine gun with two other corporals
giving ground support to the troops on the ground. And
he was awarded two Arrowing Medals with Strike Flight, which
means he who in that deployment seven months over forty
two combat missions. So he was running a gun and
that many times. And John knows how many other missions.
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He flew resupplies and they had special ops. I've talked
to some Marines and MARSAC guys. Yeah, those guys were
flying us all over the place. So those men, those
Marines were really intense, dedicated individuals. Comp superman. There are heroes.
So that's that's what it was all about. They stepped
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forward their over the less of one percent of this country.
They said, I'm going to do this for our country,
our flag, our nation, people of population here, and I
wish more people would understand that, you know, and show
these guys some respect and honor they deserve. Yeah. Yeah,
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and that's what I's I think that's what the main
reason for writing this book was because there was a
divine intervention with me because I'm not that bright. I
might sound like I got a brain half the time
is you know, turn off. But I started journaling from
the first day, writing notes and journaling and remembering stuff,
(22:41):
and you know, his military experiences, the fishing trip and
everything else. And to some of the wonderful people. Over
the last thirteen years, they have come into our lives
and they still are helping, which is amazing that there's
so so many great patriots, of so many great individuals
in this country that really care, and that that makes
me feel good. Every day I wake up like what's
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the next email, who's the next phone call? I call
them miracles.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Hold on just a moment, Hold on, just a moment.
Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing
with Joey. This is not a war story. This is
a story about grief and dealing with it and making.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
The most memories. And he will take it to that level.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Coming up, Jelly and the girls all get pretty at
closing time when you're listening to the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Make memories, folks, and while you still can, you just
don't know. We're not promised tomorrow. HPD officer Tom Logan
had retired after twenty eight years on the department. His
wife twenty one retired to Willis, Texas. His son, Joseph
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Joey Logan had just graduated in Willis, Texas and signed
up for the Marines. He's headed off his dad and
he go on a three month cross country fishing trip
across multiple states and countries, and they made memories. His
son would pass in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan, and
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he began journaling about those what he called divine coincidences
to deal with his grief, and out of that came
the Fishing with Joey.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You can find it.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
On Amazon or at any bookstore or wherever else you
buy your books. Is there a website for this book, Tom, Yeah,
it's on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You click on it and you just put in fishing
for Joey and it comes up, you know, for sale
there in Amazon. I like to see something about Amazon too.
The book is in the pretty much religious, spiritual Christian
book and death and grief category and right now is
sitting at number one as far as Amazon, and it's
ready to five stars. I was, Oh, that's good, right,
(25:02):
that is amazing. And nothing get the five star in
this world, buddy, it's always four and three eighths or
whatever else or a two.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
You are, You're a five star gold star Dad. I
think it's fantastic that out of this grief you managed
to channel that into something that can help other people.
And and that's a very selfless act. Hard, I think
for some people to realize that. But I know you
know that as a law enforcement officer from a family
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of service. I read that you're that you created a
Montana Mountain retreat out of this.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Tell me about that. Oh that was that's that's another miracle.
I mean, Joey and I fished so many places, and
after we came out of British Columbia, we dropped down
into Montana. Libby Montana, and that's when I think he
fell in love with Montana and he just talked about it,
talked about it. Matter of fact, Daniel Bartlet, pilot was
from Montana, so I think they both had conversations about Montana,
(25:59):
whither buying and hanging out together. So Joey's last phone
call home that morning I was telling about earlier, was
all about buying property in Montana, building cabins for Marine
Corps buds to come back and just decompress and relax
and enjoy the enjoy the wilderness. And then you know,
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that night, we got the call and Debbie, my wife,
said we need to do this for Joey. That's his legacy.
I'm like, Dad, it's really hard for me to go
back and retrace all those places and all the memories
were well up, and she said, we're doing it. So
we ended up getting into We went in a Toyota
Corola and drove all the way back to Montana, talked
(26:40):
to a couple of real estate agents, and we finally
found this beautiful piece of Montana wilderness, one hundred and
sixty five acres four miles up on a mountain road
in the middle of Lolo National Forest and Lolo National
Forest running. Our property is three thousand, one hundred and
fifty square miles of Montana, Idaho wilderness. So it's it's
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it's it's unbelievable that that happened. There's no there's no
possible way unless the hand of God just guided us
right to the place. And from there we started building
six cabins, and one in honor of each of our
fallen marines. Then we've got five out of six up
and running. We've got one more to put up, and
our goal is to get our combat veterans and disabled
(27:24):
veterans up there and we'll let them enjoy what Joey
and I enjoyed and what we love. And it's beautifless
off the grid. A lot of times there's no cell
phone or internet reception, so you've got to enjoy your surroundings.
You can't be on the phone round the laptop, you know,
connecting with the real world. And that's what it's all about.
Disconnect and relax and look at the stars at night,
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look at the wilderness. Going to hike. The Clark Fork
River is right down the mountain below us, and there's
fishing there, kayaking, canoeing, all kinds of outdoor activities. So if
you love the outdoors, it's a perfect place to bring yourself,
your fellow Marines, soldiers, Navy, and your families. We want
to have a family orient because when guys come back
from the deployment, they're disconnected. They never leave the war,
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and their families suffer. Their kids suffer, their wife suffer.
People don't understand the PTSD and everything else that is
wrapped up in their minds, plus the physical physical injuries.
It's a really hard road to tow. Matter of fact,
I'm going to a PTSD meeting every Tuesday at the
Messodist Church in the Woodlands strictly for combat PTSD veterans,
(28:26):
and I guess I got grief, grief, PTSD demeter the
same things. Because all we do is think about what happened.
It's hard, it's hard to hard to process. So that's
why we're up there in Montana and we do it
seasonally from end of May until October for the snow
starts hitting again. They we're back to Texas working and stuff. Here.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I'm involved with a group called the PTSD Foundation of
America and residential facility called Camp Hope, and.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
That's that's that's where these guys come from. Camp Hope
and I'm a good probably hopefully this week and actually
do a tour with them and talk to the management
up there and see if they cause figure out how
to sense a group of guys up there. Just a
just a that's what I was thinking. That's what I
was thinking. What a neat deal.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
One hundred and sixty four acres next to the Lolo
National Forest in Montana and soon to be six cabins
five so far. That's uh, you know that that is
really that's incredible. That y'all have been able to pull
that off is incredible. Two police officers and able to
(29:38):
make this a reality as man. It's just it's a
it really is amazing. I have about a minute left.
Why don't you share with us how you deal with
what has to be crippling.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Grief? Have you learned some some things that you can
share on that? Yeah, And I think that's the basic
reason for the book. I want to share what I
do and with other gold Star families all over the country,
all over the world, and it's finding something positive every day,
something that makes you happy, relive the good memories and
(30:20):
the bad memories, will always be there. But take it
upon yourself to enjoy every minute of your life, enjoy
your family, your children, and the people that surround you
that are good people, and make it a celebration of
their lives. And that's that's what it's all about you,
as far as I'm concerned, and every every day I
(30:41):
get up, I've got so many hobbies with the outdoors
and hunting and fishing and stuff like that. And I
was working with Healing Waters for a while, helping them
build fly rods or disabled vets and fishing and stuff
like that. So I always get involved with a like
minded group and people that they love their kids as
much as we love ours.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Thank you for telling your story. Thank you for your
family service. The book is called Fishing with Joey
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