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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's that time, time, time.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Time, luck.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
And look, Michael Vari show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
And Trump has really focused on the cartels and international
narco terrorists. And we've been talking about the Venezuelan state,
which is a narco state. But you know what, I
found it troubling for years that we were involved in
a forever war for twenty years in Afghanistan. And one
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of the reasons is, well, they sent heroin here, they
traffic drugs, and of course we saw Americans dying at
a pace that was so disturbing, and it was supposedly
one of the reasons to prevent these these illicit drugs
from entering our streets and killing our people. And President
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Trump has taken on the cartel. And my argument has
always been, if you're concerned about drugs in America's streets,
it's the cartels. But you know, I read an interview
with a CIA officer several years ago and he said,
let me tell you the difference between the cartels and
everything else. If you speak ill of Trump, if you
speak ill of Peutin, if you speak ill of Zelenski
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or the Chinese or North Korea, then you just don't
go to their country. And you'll be fine if you
speak ill of the cartels. They're on your street in America.
They have so infiltrated America. They are the most dangerous
threat to America. There is far more violence by the
cartels in Mexico than there is the Hutis in South
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Yemen or any group of insurgents in Iraq, or the
Taliban or ISIS or l Shabab or anything else. And
yet nobody's wanted to take them on until now. So
we wanted an expert on the issue, and so the
name who came to our attention is a senior fellow
for the Texas Public Policy Foundation and their initiative, which
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is Secure and Sovereign Nation. The Texas Public Policy Foundation's
head went on to be the head of the Heritage
Foundation Today. That organization does fantastic work. It's not some
think tank funded by the defense industry to lobby for
war or a place where failed politicians go to retire
in cash in for a while. They do serious work,
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and I think they deserve some credit for that. Emmin
Blair is his name. He's a twenty plus year Army veteran,
both as an enlisted soldier and as a commissioned officer,
a unique thing.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You don't see that often.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
He's been in various leadership and staff positions, Infantry platoon
leader on Operation Lone Star, Adjoint military law enforcement operation
to enhance border security and public safety in Texas. He's
serious about our border security, particularly as it relates to
the cartels.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
EM and welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Thank you so much, sir for having me.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So let's talk about how bad the threat is from
the cartels, and how much of that is coming across
the border in trucks and buses and cars, and how
much of that is walking across the border, how much
of that is seaborn and all the various ways that
they get We'll start with drugs, but they're trafficking humans
and guns as well.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, sure, I'm going to I'm going to go back
to one of your first statements in regards to Afghanistan.
So in twenty eighteen, after the Taiban controlled or contested
about six percent of the districts in Afghanistan, Right, and
that was enough quote unquote justification for US to keep
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our military perpetually engaged there. Right, But if you looked
actually at a map, there was a map that was
leaked in out of Mexico from the Military department there
in twenty nineteen. That showed that the Mexican cartels at
that time controlled fifty seven point five percent of the
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populated areas, and then we're in contestant with the Mexican
military and also federal authorities in twenty three point three
percent of the rest areas. That means that the federal
government only had control over nineteen percent of their country.
And yet we actually didn't do anything at that time period.
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In twenty nineteen, if you remember, the Mormons were massacred
in Mexico, and there were a lot of talks about
desneying the Mexican cartels as foreign terish organizations. However, unfortunately
trade took precedent over security. The cartels were never designated
as such, and we signed the US Mexico Canada Agreement,
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our foreign Trade Agreement for trade and so sports. Today, unfortunately,
we really don't know how much the cartels actually control
of Mexico. There was the current party that currently exists,
I mean that is currently in charge of Mexico as
the Marina Party, led by Shaunbaum and the president. However,
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one of their deputies Hugo Flores came out about a
month ago and stated that seventy percent of the politicians
in the government is controlled by the cartel and so
and that's actually part of their current regime or their
party coming out and making that bold statement. So here
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we sit today and we discuss about what is coming
into our streets, how they're getting it into our streets.
What's interesting is if you go to Texas, it's going
to be very different than if you go to stay
like California, Arizona and Mexico, where they actually have national
events areas long and borderm that Hexcess was given charge
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to take control over and secure and obtained operationals to
control of those areas. However, in Texas, over ninety percent
of our southern border is actually private property, and so
those national defense areas can only cover about sixty sum
miles in a passo roughly the Rio Grande River. The
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coast Guard is down there, but only on the river
nowland land, and so the rest of it is just
wide open. And much like Afghanistan, since cartels are foreign
parish organizations, they control the population. In Mexico, they do
it through a high level of violence. In fact, they
are the fourth most violent country in the world right now.
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That is quote unquote not in a conflict, even though
it is a conflict as declared by Scrumpy said that
it's a non international armed conflict. But they're the fourth
most violent country in the world. And but on our side,
you're not going to really see that. You're going to
see that the cartels are very very intelligent and that
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they utilize every other non kinetic or asymmetric means to
control the areas so that they can distribute their commodities
throughout the United States. And so along the southern border
they do it through a coercion or corruption. And so
here you imagine you or anyone in your audience is
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a rancher saves like a seventh generational Texan rancher, and
you're there on the southern border. You have the cattle
or whatever you have, and the board patrol or the
military has to get permission to either build a wall,
put up a tech any tech apparatus to try to
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obtain domain awareness or operational security on the border, and
they have to sign an agreement with landowners. Well, you
as a landowner have an option. He can either go
against the cartels by allowing the federal grimmans to put
whatever they need your on your property, or you worked both.
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He worked at cartels, and which is probably.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
The world as we know it, Michael, in the world.
Emmon Blair is our guest.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
He's with the Texas Public Policy Foundation, and this issue
does not go away anytime soon. I believe that this
is one of President Trump's top priorities, and I believe
that he is one of the few individuals in either
party who is serious about solving it. And that is
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that one of the most powerful criminal organizations. And I
don't just mean in terms of on paper or a
sophisticated cyber element.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I mean actual muscle.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Actual muscle is the Cartels of Mexico, and Emmon is
our guest to discuss exactly what's going on with them.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Emmon, I had to cut you off.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
You were talking about these farmers and they're given a
choice basically pitch in with the government or pitch in
with the cartels, and talk about what a conundrum.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
That is for those folks. It's real, it's real.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean those are of you who are veterans of
the Global war Ontaris and whether you're in Iraq reft innocent.
You realize that when you're going into an area and
you speak either with the tribal elder or or what
have you, and you're discussing them with like a key
leader engagement as well, we call them and like you're
you're talking with them about bringing in you know, the
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reconstruction platforms and whatnot, and in security and at the
end of the day, like if you cannot secure their village,
if you can secure the people, then of course they're
going to choose the Taliban thing on our board. If
we cannot secure or protect our citizens from any incursions
from the Mexican cartels, then they're going to choose the cartels.
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Then you mentioned something that they're very powerful. We can
pick that down a little bit. They control our airspace.
What I mean by that is just in the real
Grand Valley alone, this last satiscal year, they had over
forty thousand drone incursions. And we just hosted over the
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Department Award just hosted seven days ago a symposium to
try to figure out how to counter uas given the
current consumer of the shelf products that are readily available
that we now see like in the Ukraine Russian War,
and on our southern border were many also don't realize
is that the Mexican cartels also went and fought for
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Ukraine and to learn warfare, to learn the latest, and
so what we're seeing now. If you want to see
the Ukraine battlefund, all you have to do is go
to Mexico because they're now utilizing a lot of the
same technology, the same drones, and in fact, they're utilizing
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fiber optic drones in Mexico now, so that we cannot
take them down with electronic warfare. It has to be
taken down kinetically. So that's just one Aspectetically.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Is a word that means our suns would be boots
on the ground getting shot at.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Right. It kinetically also means like if you want to
take down a journey, you have to shoot it down.
I don't know how good you guys are at you know,
maybe if you go dove hunting and you go out
there and how good you are dove hunting, But this
derne These drones, especially first person drones, can operate at
such a speed that it's almost impossible to sink them down.
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And that's why I like the shotgun is a preferred
method as it can stray, you know, the off sudden,
and so it's very difficult. And also given our laws,
we're not allowed especially in law Texas Law Enforcement or
Texas Military Department are not allowed to share in the
hond It takes a lot of authority and authorizations for
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us to shoot down or take down or drone. And
so a lot of these drones are going unimputed, and
they have counter uas capabilities as well. The same stuff
that you're seeing in Ukraine battlefront is what you're now
seeing in Mexico. And so they've taken down our drones,
both connectedly by shooting one down or by using electronic
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warfare and so and then communications, but the cartails are powerful.
They they are in sixty five other countries. In order
to communicate across the globe for six countries, you must
have military grade communication systems, and that is what they have.
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Well as the spyware, anything that the country of Mexico receives,
because the Mexican cartels are embedded at the subnational level
all the ways in the national level, any spy word
that the Mexican government receives or purchases, the cartels now have. Therefore,
since Mexico purchased Pegasus from Israel. The cartels have access
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to Pegasus. And and so when you look at all
these military level great equipment, whether that's telecommunications, fiber across
every domain, air land speed as they're utilizing uh drug
narco submarines that are now being german by themselves, and
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self driving. And so when you're when you're seeing this
level of technology and you realize they don't have any
bureaucracy or red tape and go through in order to
those purchases. They can also three D print the drones.
We have a very large issue. And then when it
comes to personnel, like you said that farmer or rancher
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on the border. There's a recent study in Mexico that
showed that the cartels are the fifth largest employer in Mexico. Now,
when we think about turns in the US, how many
people does it take to move millions of unique aliens
across the United States? How many nodes in every state,
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in every city, in every neighborhood that the tap and
move a human being, to move, to move a new narcotic,
to launder money, to do all forms of illicit and
listed goods. How many people resources, vehicles, dash houses, and
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you then realize when you break it down like that,
that just as you said, just as the CIA officer
told you before. And it's not a Mexico problem. It's
not even a border problem. They're at your front door.
And unfortunately, if you've been a victim of a poisoning
from opioids, they're in your house.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's I can't tell you Emmon Blair is
our guest. He's with the Texas Public Policy Foundation, where
he is a Senior Fellow on the initiative known as
Secure and Sovereign Nations. It has affected so many Middle
America families. You know, it's a suburban white kid problem.
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It's an inner city black kid problem. It's a first
generation Hispanic kid problem. We've seen Indian kids who were
valic doorn of their class overdosing on fentanyl and it's
literally the first time they try it and they think
it's a piece of candy, and their buddy says, you
know you're a nerd. Stop being a nerd. Try this
and it's literally the first drug they've tried. And you know,
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I wouldn't normally believe that, but enforced monsters tell me
it's it's absolutely true, a drug the size of a
tip of a pin can be enough to do the damage.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And it's a.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It's a frightening, frightening thing because you only get your kid,
you only get one shot at that and the ability
to do this kind of damage is horrifying.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Emmon Blair is our.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Guest Senior Fellow for the Texas Public Policy Foundation.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
We'll talk more about the cartels coming up. They remain
scared to death of you, and they remain scared to
death of Trump.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Michael Barry shows you're not going anywhere even if Trump does.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You're not.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
The cartels have become a major focus of the Trump administration,
and I think rightfully so. I find it interesting that
politicians campaign on the basis that drugs are this big
of a problem and that we need to just say no.
Under the Reagan administration, we need to deal with the
drugs on our streets and the drug dealers and the listen,
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drugs are a big, big business. And anything that becomes
a big business, whether that be the pharmaceutical desire to
become billionaires off of a shot that the government requires
you take, or you lose your job and the taxpayers
end up paying for or whether it becomes drugs, or
the trafficking of children, which I think is also big,
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or the trafficking of guns, but the trafficking of all
of them through a sophisticated business network. The important thing
to understand is that the cartels are not Goober's and duphesis.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
They're very, very sophisticated.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Em if you could talk about their business processes, because
that's one of the things that I've had CI officers
tell me that you wouldn't believe these guys. People have
this impression of this, you know, ragtag Mexican organization.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
No, no, these guys are sharp.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah. So if your listeners can go watch a Narcos
and you'll see how like publist bar in Columbia, right,
and how he is super violent. Right. But many people
don't talk about the Cali cartel, which was also in
that scene and also traffic cocaine. The cartel utilized counterintelligence.
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They actually had a supercomputer and they utilized counter intelligence
and there the population to the use the population to
conduct counterintelligence on the entire population. Their law enforcement every
measure against them. And so fast forward to today, the
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Mexican cartels inside the United States have taken that same
counterintelligence model. They they operate in every one of our
every one of our neighborhoods, in every one of our communities. However,
they do so through intermediaries, dub contractors and contractors. What
do I mean by that while they need a degree
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of separation, whenever our law enforcement catches somebody that it
never goes back to Mexico. And so the Mexican cartels
as I as like, imagine how many people it would
take to move their products across the United States. Mexican
cartels set up nodes or a cell into infrastructure, just
like isis would. In these cells, they are completely compartmentalized
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and meaning they are blocked off from any other of
the other operations. Then the Mexican cartels will try to
either utilize their illegally and thean population as they are
beholden to them and they are subject to the cartels
because they are indebted to them as servants or slaves,
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or they'll utilize American citizens, which is even a better
cover because when you go after the when you say like,
you go in like here in Houston recently, we had
forty one people indicted by the cartel New Generation for
narcotics trafficking one because of the car of how the
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cartels operate and how they have so many degrees of separation.
The investigation took sixty two months. We indicted over forty
only twenty three were apprehended and then they were bailed
and bonded out, and none of them were actually quote
unquote cartel holds new generation members. They were all intermediaries, contractors,
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and subcontractors. The people that are behind the scenes as
puppet masters orchestrating the entire illness, illicit trade, orchestrating this
gray zone conflict within our own communities and within the
United States, are doing so within their own the comforts
of their own home inside of Mexico, also protected by
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the Mexican government. And they're able to do that because
of the They literally built a kind of like their
own Belton Road initiative, the logistics supply chain, just like
what the CCP does across the world, the PRC, the
People's Republic of China does across the world, where they
have their own Belton Roade initiative. The cartels have been
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doing this since the nineteen nineties, have built the entire
infrastructure in supply chain to move anything they want inside
the United States completely, make it completely compartmentalized, and then
move all proceeds in funds through Chinese banking systems so
that we can't even track it. And so that is
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why it's so difficult. If you look today, since the
Trumpet administration has designated them as foreign teris organizations, there's
only been three indictments so far against the Mexican cartels
for material support to foreign terist organizations. That is how
difficult it is. Once a local law enforcement, a state
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law enforcement, or someone else arrests the low hanging fruit
of those that are either running the drugs, sell judge
from the streets or whatnot, because they have completely compartmentalized
every entire every part of their system. That's why it
takes five years of worth of investigations to try to
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indict someone.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Well, and to talk about your central point, which is
the most frightening of them all, the idea that I
think you said, seventy percent of law enforcement is in
the employee of the cartels. And and you know you
see this particularly in countries where law enforcement is so
underpaid visa v. Their neighbors there and where corruption as
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a culture is more tolerated than it is here, and
you don't have your IAD departments in your local police,
and you don't have your your audit and internal investigation
departments where there is a fear of what might happen.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It's horrifying.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's horrifying to think that that there's no one from
the state representing the people to put a stop on this,
and that the people who've been put in that position
are working against you. So the taxpayers are paying for
the very people enabling this. And by the way, I
think we're seeing this today in the United States, where
you're getting the mayor of actually today itself, the Mayor
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of Minnesota, of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry, saying that the Minneapolis
police will not assist ice and that they.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Will work against them. We've seen that with the mayor
of Chicago.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
And this is how this is how communities and countries fall,
and this is how criminal elements fill that gap. And
that's what I find incredibly disturbing about all of this
is that we see the tendencies here because as you
noted that the cartels are not idiots, are very smart,
and a lot of people. The avarice within a person
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who intended to do well takes over and they realize, Hey,
if the cop beside me is taking bribes and the
cop beside me on this side's taking bribes, they can
afford boats and cars and nice things and I can't,
and no one seems to care that I'm the honest guy,
I'm the odd man out because of it, then why
wouldn't I take bribes. Well, over a period of time,
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it becomes that even the best of cops, with the
best of intentions are being bought out by the cartels.
And that's where I think there's no way to fix
it because even people now the person who wants to
fix it on Thursday, well, as of Monday, he was compromised,
so to fix it would also expose him. And then
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I think you end up in a situation like that
where it becomes almost an unfixable loop. We'll continue our
conversation for one final segment with Ammon Blair, who is
the senior Fellow for the Texas Public Policy Foundations Secure
and Sovereign Nation Initiative. I'm going to start with the
question if the cartel mobilizes as an army, and if
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you could get them to work together, because they do
like the Afghan tribes right against each other. But if
you could get them to work together as an army,
how powerful are they in terms of firearms and training
and execution.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
What a maroonche What an ignoranom.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
We've been talking about a subject that has interested President
Trump and he has made a top priority, and that
is dealing with criminal organizations coming into this country. Organizations
that are not just outside government, but have some level
of at least tacit involvement, if not funding or approval
by the government. We know that Venezuela is at the
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top of his list today as an arco state, but
Mexico has to be dealt with. They share a common
border from Texas to California. They are the gateway through
which people land to make their way into the United States.
They share the border that we most have to close.
Not the sole border, but the border we most have
to close. And the car tells activity in that country
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is killing Americans, trafficking children, women, drugs, guns. Emmin Blair
is our guest today, the senior fellow for the Texas
Public Policy Foundations Secure and Sovereign Nation Initiative. Let me
ask you, Ammon, as I teased going into the break
if they organized and could work together as an army
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to confront our military forces. How powerful are they because
I know they haven't.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I'm not the expert you are, but I've studied this.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
They have incredible levels of sophistication militarily, drones, numbers of
warriors with training, with all sorts of armaments.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
But speak to that if you would.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Sure A great question. I mean, I mean they're not
as capable, of course as in the US, but they
could completely take over multiple countries in the Western Hempshire.
And they're choosing Nazi because they are part of the government. Now,
if it were ever to come down to it where
the federal government can tried to completely separate tithes with them,
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kind of like what we had like in the eighties
and nineties in Columbia where they worked with that actually
worked with the US government to eradicate Pablo Escobar, you know,
the Mediane cartel. If that were the case, it's already
been proven that even one cartel like Cartel Holi is
going to generation in twenty fifteen, took down a helicopter,
took out the military, and then in twenty nineteen on
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Block Thursday, the Sinaloa cartel took out the military and
will law enforcement in Sinaloa and improved and then made
Amlo bend knee, and it proved that just one cartel
could take out then And just like we learned in
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in certainties worldwide, if you can control the population, really
can control that movement. And as I said about, they're
the fifth largest employer inside of Mexico, that includes all
those that are cultivating their narcotics and everywhere else. Their engineers,
their citic audios, they're foot soldiers, their white collar folk
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that are handling their finances, lawyers and you name it.
And so they are. They would be able to be
like a nation state in terms of as they have
everything that is needed to take on other foreign countries.
They already have the intelligence apparatus in the spyware, they
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already have the telecommunication systems, they already have the personality equipment,
the money. They have more money than a majority of countries.
And they and their procurement process and their learning process
can be expedited since they don't have bureaucracy or rules,
no rules of engagement. The only rules of engagement as
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it stands now is they don't want the full force
the military on Mexico because we would crust them. And
so that is why inside of the US they do
everything what we call it for his own conflicts, everything
below the threshold of war. And because US as Americans
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have such a misunderstanding of what the term war means,
we have a problem with either taking out cartels in
the Caribbean when they're conducting actual drug warfare in the
United States. And so because of our lack of understanding
of actually what war is, they're already in a war
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with us. They're they're enacting drug warfare as a hybrid
threat network with the CCP and with other like with
the Hakani network. They have ties with Hezbola, and then
because they're ties with Venezuela, they I have ties with
I ran the country itself in Russia. In fact, they're
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lot of Russian delegates in Mexico. And in fact, Harvard
did a study on that just recently on it is
the spy network place of residency is now Mexico, and
so their level of power and control to take out
other nation states is completely is completely accurate. Now can
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they do that with us? Well, they be able to
do it in certain ways they'd be able to probably
do mass genocide. Imagine if they were to place a
lethal dose of Sentinel in every single narcotic that they sold,
and gave that command to the street peddlars like the
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Bloods and the crips, to the M thirteen, to every
one of their contractors of contractors in the intermediaries, that
everything they produce or push out must have a length
with us. And then they also control the agricultural trade.
They control all forms of agriculture. Every other bottle you eat,
everyone that's obsessed with avocado toast from Mexico, you're eating
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a blood avocado. The cartels control completely control their agricultural trade,
from avocado's lines to the cattle and so all they
would have to do, since they already mix the crystal
meth or cocaine in the loads when they come across
with their semi trailers, not inside the product, but try
to hide it, all they would have to do is
put lethal doses in every one of the produce Britos,
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you name it, everything that's coming across at our ports
of entry, and they can have mass genocide. Just as
he said earlier, just that little speckle piece of sentinel.
The size of the end of your pen or pencil
could kill someone. Imagine if that was in everything, everything
that we imported from the state of Mexico, it would
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be mass genocide. And so in terms of guns and
firepower and tanks and other communications, yeah, they do have that,
and they get that from Guatemala military or Russia or
River supplying their arms and weapons as well as straw
purchases in the US. When you look at all the
asymmetric ways and means that they can conduct warfare, you
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can utilize anything as a weapon, as what China talks
about in their unrestriched warfare doctrine, where anything can be
a weapon, then we're looking at a whole different ball game.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Well, in an hour, we've only scratched the surface. This
is a threat that we need to take very seriously,
and it's a threat that's going to be a difficult
confrontation because they're not going to.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Go lightly, especially because.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
This is big business and when you have this many
billion dollars at play, people have a lot of resources
and they're not simply going to go quietly into the
good night. They like their money, they worked hard to
earn it, and they're going to protect it, and they're
there is no value to human life of anyone who
gets in their way. Emmen, Blair, thank you for your time,
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good sir, and thank you to state representative and congressional
candidate Steve Toath for suggesting I speak to you. I'm
very interested in the work you're doing on this subject
and I hope you continue.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Time, luck.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
And look, Michael Vari show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
And Trump has really focused on the cartels and international
narco terrorists. And we've been talking about the Venezuelan state,
which is a narco state. But you know what, I
found it troubling for years that we were involved in
a forever war for twenty years in Afghanistan. And one
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of the reasons is, well, they sent heroin here, they
traffic drugs, and of course we saw Americans dying at
a pace that was so disturbing, and it was supposedly
one of the reasons to prevent these these illicit drugs
from entering our streets and killing our people. And President
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Trump has taken on the cartel. And my argument has
always been, if you're concerned about drugs in America's streets,
it's the cartels. But you know, I read an interview
with a CIA officer several years ago and he said,
let me tell you the difference between the cartels and
everything else. If you speak ill of Trump, if you
speak ill of Peutin, if you speak ill of Zelenski
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or the Chinese or North Korea, then you just don't
go to their country. And you'll be fine if you
speak ill of the cartels. They're on your street in America.
They have so infiltrated America. They are the most dangerous
threat to America. There is far more violence by the
cartels in Mexico than there is the Hutis in South
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Yemen or any group of insurgents in Iraq, or the
Taliban or ISIS or l Shabab or anything else. And
yet nobody's wanted to take them on until now. So
we wanted an expert on the issue, and so the
name who came to our attention is a senior fellow
for the Texas Public Policy Foundation and their initiative, which
(02:09):
is Secure and Sovereign Nation. The Texas Public Policy Foundation's
head went on to be the head of the Heritage
Foundation Today. That organization does fantastic work. It's not some
think tank funded by the defense industry to lobby for
war or a place where failed politicians go to retire
in cash in for a while. They do serious work,
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and I think they deserve some credit for that. Emmin
Blair is his name. He's a twenty plus year Army veteran,
both as an enlisted soldier and as a commissioned officer,
a unique thing.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You don't see that often.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
He's been in various leadership and staff positions, Infantry platoon
leader on Operation Lone Star, Adjoint military law enforcement operation
to enhance border security and public safety in Texas. He's
serious about our border security, particularly as it relates to
the cartels.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
EM and welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Thank you so much, sir for having me.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So let's talk about how bad the threat is from
the cartels, and how much of that is coming across
the border in trucks and buses and cars, and how
much of that is walking across the border, how much
of that is seaborn and all the various ways that
they get We'll start with drugs, but they're trafficking humans
and guns as well.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, sure, I'm going to I'm going to go back
to one of your first statements in regards to Afghanistan.
So in twenty eighteen, after the Taiban controlled or contested
about six percent of the districts in Afghanistan, Right, and
that was enough quote unquote justification for US to keep
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our military perpetually engaged there. Right, But if you looked
actually at a map, there was a map that was
leaked in out of Mexico from the Military department there
in twenty nineteen. That showed that the Mexican cartels at
that time controlled fifty seven point five percent of the
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populated areas, and then we're in contestant with the Mexican
military and also federal authorities in twenty three point three
percent of the rest areas. That means that the federal
government only had control over nineteen percent of their country.
And yet we actually didn't do anything at that time period.
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In twenty nineteen, if you remember, the Mormons were massacred
in Mexico, and there were a lot of talks about
desneying the Mexican cartels as foreign terish organizations. However, unfortunately
trade took precedent over security. The cartels were never designated
as such, and we signed the US Mexico Canada Agreement,
(04:56):
our foreign Trade Agreement for trade and so sports. Today, unfortunately,
we really don't know how much the cartels actually control
of Mexico. There was the current party that currently exists,
I mean that is currently in charge of Mexico as
the Marina Party, led by Shaunbaum and the president. However,
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one of their deputies Hugo Flores came out about a
month ago and stated that seventy percent of the politicians
in the government is controlled by the cartel and so
and that's actually part of their current regime or their
party coming out and making that bold statement. So here
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we sit today and we discuss about what is coming
into our streets, how they're getting it into our streets.
What's interesting is if you go to Texas, it's going
to be very different than if you go to stay
like California, Arizona and Mexico, where they actually have national
events areas long and borderm that Hexcess was given charge
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to take control over and secure and obtained operationals to
control of those areas. However, in Texas, over ninety percent
of our southern border is actually private property, and so
those national defense areas can only cover about sixty sum
miles in a passo roughly the Rio Grande River. The
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coast Guard is down there, but only on the river
nowland land, and so the rest of it is just
wide open. And much like Afghanistan, since cartels are foreign
parish organizations, they control the population. In Mexico, they do
it through a high level of violence. In fact, they
are the fourth most violent country in the world right now.
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That is quote unquote not in a conflict, even though
it is a conflict as declared by Scrumpy said that
it's a non international armed conflict. But they're the fourth
most violent country in the world. And but on our side,
you're not going to really see that. You're going to
see that the cartels are very very intelligent and that
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they utilize every other non kinetic or asymmetric means to
control the areas so that they can distribute their commodities
throughout the United States. And so along the southern border
they do it through a coercion or corruption. And so
here you imagine you or anyone in your audience is
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a rancher saves like a seventh generational Texan rancher, and
you're there on the southern border. You have the cattle
or whatever you have, and the board patrol or the
military has to get permission to either build a wall,
put up a tech any tech apparatus to try to
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obtain domain awareness or operational security on the border, and
they have to sign an agreement with landowners. Well, you
as a landowner have an option. He can either go
against the cartels by allowing the federal grimmans to put
whatever they need your on your property, or you worked both.
(08:12):
He worked at cartels, and which is probably.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
The world as we know it, Michael, in the world.
Emmon Blair is our guest.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
He's with the Texas Public Policy Foundation, and this issue
does not go away anytime soon. I believe that this
is one of President Trump's top priorities, and I believe
that he is one of the few individuals in either
party who is serious about solving it. And that is
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that one of the most powerful criminal organizations. And I
don't just mean in terms of on paper or a
sophisticated cyber element.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I mean actual muscle.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Actual muscle is the Cartels of Mexico, and Emmon is
our guest to discuss exactly what's going on with them.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Emmon, I had to cut you off.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
You were talking about these farmers and they're given a
choice basically pitch in with the government or pitch in
with the cartels, and talk about what a conundrum.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
That is for those folks. It's real, it's real.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean those are of you who are veterans of
the Global war Ontaris and whether you're in Iraq reft innocent.
You realize that when you're going into an area and
you speak either with the tribal elder or or what
have you, and you're discussing them with like a key
leader engagement as well, we call them and like you're
you're talking with them about bringing in you know, the
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reconstruction platforms and whatnot, and in security and at the
end of the day, like if you cannot secure their village,
if you can secure the people, then of course they're
going to choose the Taliban thing on our board. If
we cannot secure or protect our citizens from any incursions
from the Mexican cartels, then they're going to choose the cartels.
(10:11):
Then you mentioned something that they're very powerful. We can
pick that down a little bit. They control our airspace.
What I mean by that is just in the real
Grand Valley alone, this last satiscal year, they had over
forty thousand drone incursions. And we just hosted over the
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Department Award just hosted seven days ago a symposium to
try to figure out how to counter uas given the
current consumer of the shelf products that are readily available
that we now see like in the Ukraine Russian War,
and on our southern border were many also don't realize
is that the Mexican cartels also went and fought for
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Ukraine and to learn warfare, to learn the latest, and
so what we're seeing now. If you want to see
the Ukraine battlefund, all you have to do is go
to Mexico because they're now utilizing a lot of the
same technology, the same drones, and in fact, they're utilizing
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fiber optic drones in Mexico now, so that we cannot
take them down with electronic warfare. It has to be
taken down kinetically. So that's just one Aspectetically.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Is a word that means our suns would be boots
on the ground getting shot at.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Right. It kinetically also means like if you want to
take down a journey, you have to shoot it down.
I don't know how good you guys are at you know,
maybe if you go dove hunting and you go out
there and how good you are dove hunting, But this
derne These drones, especially first person drones, can operate at
such a speed that it's almost impossible to sink them down.
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And that's why I like the shotgun is a preferred
method as it can stray, you know, the off sudden,
and so it's very difficult. And also given our laws,
we're not allowed especially in law Texas Law Enforcement or
Texas Military Department are not allowed to share in the
hond It takes a lot of authority and authorizations for
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us to shoot down or take down or drone. And
so a lot of these drones are going unimputed, and
they have counter uas capabilities as well. The same stuff
that you're seeing in Ukraine battlefront is what you're now
seeing in Mexico. And so they've taken down our drones,
both connectedly by shooting one down or by using electronic
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warfare and so and then communications, but the cartails are powerful.
They they are in sixty five other countries. In order
to communicate across the globe for six countries, you must
have military grade communication systems, and that is what they have.
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Well as the spyware, anything that the country of Mexico receives,
because the Mexican cartels are embedded at the subnational level
all the ways in the national level, any spy word
that the Mexican government receives or purchases, the cartels now have. Therefore,
since Mexico purchased Pegasus from Israel. The cartels have access
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to Pegasus. And and so when you look at all
these military level great equipment, whether that's telecommunications, fiber across
every domain, air land speed as they're utilizing uh drug
narco submarines that are now being german by themselves, and
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self driving. And so when you're when you're seeing this
level of technology and you realize they don't have any
bureaucracy or red tape and go through in order to
those purchases. They can also three D print the drones.
We have a very large issue. And then when it
comes to personnel, like you said that farmer or rancher
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on the border. There's a recent study in Mexico that
showed that the cartels are the fifth largest employer in Mexico. Now,
when we think about turns in the US, how many
people does it take to move millions of unique aliens
across the United States? How many nodes in every state,
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in every city, in every neighborhood that the tap and
move a human being, to move, to move a new narcotic,
to launder money, to do all forms of illicit and
listed goods. How many people resources, vehicles, dash houses, and
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you then realize when you break it down like that,
that just as you said, just as the CIA officer
told you before. And it's not a Mexico problem. It's
not even a border problem. They're at your front door.
And unfortunately, if you've been a victim of a poisoning
from opioids, they're in your house.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's I can't tell you Emmon Blair is
our guest. He's with the Texas Public Policy Foundation, where
he is a Senior Fellow on the initiative known as
Secure and Sovereign Nations. It has affected so many Middle
America families. You know, it's a suburban white kid problem.
(15:37):
It's an inner city black kid problem. It's a first
generation Hispanic kid problem. We've seen Indian kids who were
valic doorn of their class overdosing on fentanyl and it's
literally the first time they try it and they think
it's a piece of candy, and their buddy says, you
know you're a nerd. Stop being a nerd. Try this
and it's literally the first drug they've tried. And you know,
(15:58):
I wouldn't normally believe that, but enforced monsters tell me
it's it's absolutely true, a drug the size of a
tip of a pin can be enough to do the damage.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And it's a.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It's a frightening, frightening thing because you only get your kid,
you only get one shot at that and the ability
to do this kind of damage is horrifying.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Emmon Blair is our.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Guest Senior Fellow for the Texas Public Policy Foundation.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
We'll talk more about the cartels coming up. They remain
scared to death of you, and they remain scared to
death of Trump.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Michael Barry shows you're not going anywhere even if Trump does.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You're not.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
The cartels have become a major focus of the Trump administration,
and I think rightfully so. I find it interesting that
politicians campaign on the basis that drugs are this big
of a problem and that we need to just say no.
Under the Reagan administration, we need to deal with the
drugs on our streets and the drug dealers and the listen,
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drugs are a big, big business. And anything that becomes
a big business, whether that be the pharmaceutical desire to
become billionaires off of a shot that the government requires
you take, or you lose your job and the taxpayers
end up paying for or whether it becomes drugs, or
the trafficking of children, which I think is also big,
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or the trafficking of guns, but the trafficking of all
of them through a sophisticated business network. The important thing
to understand is that the cartels are not Goober's and duphesis.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
They're very, very sophisticated.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Em if you could talk about their business processes, because
that's one of the things that I've had CI officers
tell me that you wouldn't believe these guys. People have
this impression of this, you know, ragtag Mexican organization.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
No, no, these guys are sharp.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah. So if your listeners can go watch a Narcos
and you'll see how like publist bar in Columbia, right,
and how he is super violent. Right. But many people
don't talk about the Cali cartel, which was also in
that scene and also traffic cocaine. The cartel utilized counterintelligence.
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They actually had a supercomputer and they utilized counter intelligence
and there the population to the use the population to
conduct counterintelligence on the entire population. Their law enforcement every
measure against them. And so fast forward to today, the
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Mexican cartels inside the United States have taken that same
counterintelligence model. They they operate in every one of our
every one of our neighborhoods, in every one of our communities. However,
they do so through intermediaries, dub contractors and contractors. What
do I mean by that while they need a degree
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of separation, whenever our law enforcement catches somebody that it
never goes back to Mexico. And so the Mexican cartels
as I as like, imagine how many people it would
take to move their products across the United States. Mexican
cartels set up nodes or a cell into infrastructure, just
like isis would. In these cells, they are completely compartmentalized
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and meaning they are blocked off from any other of
the other operations. Then the Mexican cartels will try to
either utilize their illegally and thean population as they are
beholden to them and they are subject to the cartels
because they are indebted to them as servants or slaves,
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or they'll utilize American citizens, which is even a better
cover because when you go after the when you say like,
you go in like here in Houston recently, we had
forty one people indicted by the cartel New Generation for
narcotics trafficking one because of the car of how the
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cartels operate and how they have so many degrees of separation.
The investigation took sixty two months. We indicted over forty
only twenty three were apprehended and then they were bailed
and bonded out, and none of them were actually quote
unquote cartel holds new generation members. They were all intermediaries, contractors,
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and subcontractors. The people that are behind the scenes as
puppet masters orchestrating the entire illness, illicit trade, orchestrating this
gray zone conflict within our own communities and within the
United States, are doing so within their own the comforts
of their own home inside of Mexico, also protected by
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the Mexican government. And they're able to do that because
of the They literally built a kind of like their
own Belton Road initiative, the logistics supply chain, just like
what the CCP does across the world, the PRC, the
People's Republic of China does across the world, where they
have their own Belton Roade initiative. The cartels have been
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doing this since the nineteen nineties, have built the entire
infrastructure in supply chain to move anything they want inside
the United States completely, make it completely compartmentalized, and then
move all proceeds in funds through Chinese banking systems so
that we can't even track it. And so that is
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why it's so difficult. If you look today, since the
Trumpet administration has designated them as foreign teris organizations, there's
only been three indictments so far against the Mexican cartels
for material support to foreign terist organizations. That is how
difficult it is. Once a local law enforcement, a state
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law enforcement, or someone else arrests the low hanging fruit
of those that are either running the drugs, sell judge
from the streets or whatnot, because they have completely compartmentalized
every entire every part of their system. That's why it
takes five years of worth of investigations to try to
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indict someone.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Well, and to talk about your central point, which is
the most frightening of them all, the idea that I
think you said, seventy percent of law enforcement is in
the employee of the cartels. And and you know you
see this particularly in countries where law enforcement is so
underpaid visa v. Their neighbors there and where corruption as
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a culture is more tolerated than it is here, and
you don't have your IAD departments in your local police,
and you don't have your your audit and internal investigation
departments where there is a fear of what might happen.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It's horrifying.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's horrifying to think that that there's no one from
the state representing the people to put a stop on this,
and that the people who've been put in that position
are working against you. So the taxpayers are paying for
the very people enabling this. And by the way, I
think we're seeing this today in the United States, where
you're getting the mayor of actually today itself, the Mayor
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of Minnesota, of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry, saying that the Minneapolis
police will not assist ice and that they.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Will work against them. We've seen that with the mayor
of Chicago.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
And this is how this is how communities and countries fall,
and this is how criminal elements fill that gap. And
that's what I find incredibly disturbing about all of this
is that we see the tendencies here because as you
noted that the cartels are not idiots, are very smart,
and a lot of people. The avarice within a person
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who intended to do well takes over and they realize, Hey,
if the cop beside me is taking bribes and the
cop beside me on this side's taking bribes, they can
afford boats and cars and nice things and I can't,
and no one seems to care that I'm the honest guy,
I'm the odd man out because of it, then why
wouldn't I take bribes. Well, over a period of time,
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it becomes that even the best of cops, with the
best of intentions are being bought out by the cartels.
And that's where I think there's no way to fix
it because even people now the person who wants to
fix it on Thursday, well, as of Monday, he was compromised,
so to fix it would also expose him. And then
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I think you end up in a situation like that
where it becomes almost an unfixable loop. We'll continue our
conversation for one final segment with Ammon Blair, who is
the senior Fellow for the Texas Public Policy Foundations Secure
and Sovereign Nation Initiative. I'm going to start with the
question if the cartel mobilizes as an army, and if
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you could get them to work together, because they do
like the Afghan tribes right against each other. But if
you could get them to work together as an army,
how powerful are they in terms of firearms and training
and execution.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
What a maroonche What an ignoranom.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
We've been talking about a subject that has interested President
Trump and he has made a top priority, and that
is dealing with criminal organizations coming into this country. Organizations
that are not just outside government, but have some level
of at least tacit involvement, if not funding or approval
by the government. We know that Venezuela is at the
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top of his list today as an arco state, but
Mexico has to be dealt with. They share a common
border from Texas to California. They are the gateway through
which people land to make their way into the United States.
They share the border that we most have to close.
Not the sole border, but the border we most have
to close. And the car tells activity in that country
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is killing Americans, trafficking children, women, drugs, guns. Emmin Blair
is our guest today, the senior fellow for the Texas
Public Policy Foundations Secure and Sovereign Nation Initiative. Let me
ask you, Ammon, as I teased going into the break
if they organized and could work together as an army
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to confront our military forces. How powerful are they because
I know they haven't.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I'm not the expert you are, but I've studied this.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
They have incredible levels of sophistication militarily, drones, numbers of
warriors with training, with all sorts of armaments.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
But speak to that if you would.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Sure A great question. I mean, I mean they're not
as capable, of course as in the US, but they
could completely take over multiple countries in the Western Hempshire.
And they're choosing Nazi because they are part of the government. Now,
if it were ever to come down to it where
the federal government can tried to completely separate tithes with them,
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kind of like what we had like in the eighties
and nineties in Columbia where they worked with that actually
worked with the US government to eradicate Pablo Escobar, you know,
the Mediane cartel. If that were the case, it's already
been proven that even one cartel like Cartel Holi is
going to generation in twenty fifteen, took down a helicopter,
took out the military, and then in twenty nineteen on
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Block Thursday, the Sinaloa cartel took out the military and
will law enforcement in Sinaloa and improved and then made
Amlo bend knee, and it proved that just one cartel
could take out then And just like we learned in
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in certainties worldwide, if you can control the population, really
can control that movement. And as I said about, they're
the fifth largest employer inside of Mexico, that includes all
those that are cultivating their narcotics and everywhere else. Their engineers,
their citic audios, they're foot soldiers, their white collar folk
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that are handling their finances, lawyers and you name it.
And so they are. They would be able to be
like a nation state in terms of as they have
everything that is needed to take on other foreign countries.
They already have the intelligence apparatus in the spyware, they
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already have the telecommunication systems, they already have the personality equipment,
the money. They have more money than a majority of countries.
And they and their procurement process and their learning process
can be expedited since they don't have bureaucracy or rules,
no rules of engagement. The only rules of engagement as
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it stands now is they don't want the full force
the military on Mexico because we would crust them. And
so that is why inside of the US they do
everything what we call it for his own conflicts, everything
below the threshold of war. And because US as Americans
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have such a misunderstanding of what the term war means,
we have a problem with either taking out cartels in
the Caribbean when they're conducting actual drug warfare in the
United States. And so because of our lack of understanding
of actually what war is, they're already in a war
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with us. They're they're enacting drug warfare as a hybrid
threat network with the CCP and with other like with
the Hakani network. They have ties with Hezbola, and then
because they're ties with Venezuela, they I have ties with
I ran the country itself in Russia. In fact, they're
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lot of Russian delegates in Mexico. And in fact, Harvard
did a study on that just recently on it is
the spy network place of residency is now Mexico, and
so their level of power and control to take out
other nation states is completely is completely accurate. Now can
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they do that with us? Well, they be able to
do it in certain ways they'd be able to probably
do mass genocide. Imagine if they were to place a
lethal dose of Sentinel in every single narcotic that they sold,
and gave that command to the street peddlars like the
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Bloods and the crips, to the M thirteen, to every
one of their contractors of contractors in the intermediaries, that
everything they produce or push out must have a length
with us. And then they also control the agricultural trade.
They control all forms of agriculture. Every other bottle you eat,
everyone that's obsessed with avocado toast from Mexico, you're eating
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a blood avocado. The cartels control completely control their agricultural trade,
from avocado's lines to the cattle and so all they
would have to do, since they already mix the crystal
meth or cocaine in the loads when they come across
with their semi trailers, not inside the product, but try
to hide it, all they would have to do is
put lethal doses in every one of the produce Britos,
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you name it, everything that's coming across at our ports
of entry, and they can have mass genocide. Just as
he said earlier, just that little speckle piece of sentinel.
The size of the end of your pen or pencil
could kill someone. Imagine if that was in everything, everything
that we imported from the state of Mexico, it would
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be mass genocide. And so in terms of guns and
firepower and tanks and other communications, yeah, they do have that,
and they get that from Guatemala military or Russia or
River supplying their arms and weapons as well as straw
purchases in the US. When you look at all the
asymmetric ways and means that they can conduct warfare, you
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can utilize anything as a weapon, as what China talks
about in their unrestriched warfare doctrine, where anything can be
a weapon, then we're looking at a whole different ball game.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Well, in an hour, we've only scratched the surface. This
is a threat that we need to take very seriously,
and it's a threat that's going to be a difficult
confrontation because they're not going to.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Go lightly, especially because.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
This is big business and when you have this many
billion dollars at play, people have a lot of resources
and they're not simply going to go quietly into the
good night. They like their money, they worked hard to
earn it, and they're going to protect it, and they're
there is no value to human life of anyone who
gets in their way. Emmen, Blair, thank you for your time,
(33:06):
good sir, and thank you to state representative and congressional
candidate Steve Toath for suggesting I speak to you. I'm
very interested in the work you're doing on this subject
and I hope you continue.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
It's very very important. Thank you, good sir.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
As always, we appreciate your support for the show, and
we appreciate your suggestions as to people who are interesting
to talk to. If someone's on another show and you
find them to be interesting, go free send us an email.
If it's a message worth hearing, then we want to
amplify it. People who are doing interesting things we want
(33:44):
to talk to because if we're interested in it, I
figure you are as well.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Have a good one.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
You can always email me through the website Michael Berryshow
dot com. Sign up for our blast while you there,
and I do read every single email. Just can't respond
to everyone, but I do read every single one of.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Us. Have slept for body, Thank you and good night.
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