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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Berry's Show is on the air. It's Charlie from
Black Ferce Mood. I can feel a good one coming on.
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It's the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh, yes it is, Yes, it is. What a week
it has been. Let's just talk about just this week.
What has happened. Democrats admitted the top Democrat in the
House of Representatives admitted that the border is secure. Just
admitted it, Like, I agree, border secure, then refuse to
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give Donald Trump credit. Well, I don't wait on Hakeem
Jeffrey's approval for my opinions. I think it's comical. It
tells you how bad things are when a king Jeffreys
has to admit, yeah, the border is secure, but Trump
doesn't deserve credit, and Corey Booker has to say he
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got married, you know, to a woman. Corey Booker has
to say, well, hey, that Trump account for the kids
I propose that years ago. Does that mean you'll support him?
When they're having to tell you that Trump didn't do that,
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Trump didn't build that, Trump isn't responsible for that. That's
how you know they're in trouble. That's how you know
that what he's doing is popular when they're claiming that
they deserve the credit for what he's done on the
very things they have fought him on, tooth and nail.
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That's how you know that what he's doing is popular,
and they know it.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
They're bummed out about it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
The President has pushed them into a position where they're
having to defend narco terrorists. And then you just go
to the archive. There's Joe Biden telling President Bush the
first nineteen eighty nine, we need an international strikeforce on
these narco terrorists. We need to hit them and hit
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them hard. And now, of course Joe Biden he can't.
He could take a victory lap, but he'd probably fall
and that'd be awkward. But Democrats can't stand by the
things they said. Not so long ago, Harry Reid, the
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Senate Majority leader, saying that you got these anchor babies,
you got these illegal aliens coming in these countries, plopping
down a baby and then saying, well, my baby gets
to stay if you kick me out.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You want to kick me out and leave my baby here?
Do you?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Democrats used to have a problem with that. Bernie Sanders
used to make statements about how flooding the American market
with illegal aliens was driving down the wages for American citizens.
Oh but he won't say that today, will you. There
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used to be a time when the Democrats would appeal
to working class Americans, to American citizens, to American taxpayers.
And then they made a decision. The big money for
their campaigns and them personally was the checks from George Soros.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And once they made that deal, they all flipped.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
They all flipped together, and they started trying to convince
people that what they were doing wasn't so bad.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
But boy, it was all right. Let's get started. Courtesy
of executive producer Chad A. Cooney. Nakanishi, you're weak.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I cannot go out in public without some woman at
the very next table who's a cackler.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And apparently whoever she's with is Bob hopes they they
did just one line. She did rack. Nobody at their
table can tell her to shut up.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Hairfang attack inside a barber shop.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
That video shows a man getting angry after a hair.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Security video from that day shows Davis walking back into
Square Biz with a gun and threatening the owner, Samuel Wilson.
Wilson says this was all over an issue with Davis's hairline, the.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Haircut with that, he pulled a fire in front of
a key.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Dispute resolution skills absolutely active, fool, The dude cuts your
hairline too hot, it'll grow back.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Video of a raccoon that has gone viral. It broke
into a liquor store, ransacked several shelves.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
The animal became intoxicated that it passed out in that crow.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Was she just not able to contain her laughter? Her cackle?
We know you knew the story already. There's no way
you thought it was that funny.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The fifth time you heard it, you just couldn't control yourself.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Was that supposed to add to the y'all should be la?
Was that the laugh track?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
What I'm driving in and I hear it? And the
thing about I don't understand it is it was a
Michael Berry endorsement.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It was a probably grand ranch.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So why would you do? I appreciate that you endorse him,
but why would they play a trouble when they could have?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
He folks, it's Michael Berry.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I just I don't they get Do they get a
discount on that spot if it's if it's you instead
of me?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Brobo Steve Cropper, a member of the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame, has died.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Co wrote classic songs including Sitting on the Dock of
the Bay and in the Midnight at Work Sean Cromper,
You are the soundtrack of my life? What are you
most proud of?
Speaker 5 (05:52):
The biggest thrill I get is sharing the song that
I've written in the radio.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
There's something about radio and you hear it on the radio.
You're sitting in your car and you go, hey, I
had something to.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
They remain scared the death of you, and they remain
scared to.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Death of Trump. Michael Berry Show. You're not going anywhere
even if Trump does. You're not.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
So every day I get pitches from PR agents and
they'll say, you know, would you like to interview this
actor they're in this movie, or this author who's in
this book? And not a nine point nine percent of
the time, I'm just not interested. I don't know, no,
thanks to nothing against that person's work. I just it
does doesn't interest me. But I came across a pitch
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for an article that was published entitled Evolutionary Psychology and
the Crisis of Empirical Rigor in Feminist Studies. Okay, who
got my attention, and it argues that much of modern
feminist scholarship has drifted from empirical science, that which we
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know to be true and can prove it, into ideology. Well,
now it's not science anymore, is it rejecting biological and
psychological I'm reading psychological evidence that explains sex differences in behavior, preferences.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And outcomes.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So what I saw here was something of a clinical
scientific approach to what we see happening but can't necessarily
may not have the words the concepts to be able
to define it. And so I thought, well, let me
see if I can get this professor on, and here
we are. His name is Professor Mark. Defant? Is that
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defant or defunt?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It? Defunt? My apologies?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Professor Mark defined, first of all, the background behind why
you wrote this. I noted in your in Looking you up,
you were a professor of geology at the University of
South Florida, so this would seem like it would be
outside your usual realm.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Normally it would be. By the way, thanks for having
me on. I started out as a geochemist. I published
extensively in geochemistry, and I'm a volcanologist by training. I
studied volcanoes, not valkans. But about thirty years ago, I
started teaching in our university's honors program, which gave me
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a lot of ability to teach things I thought were
interesting in science, and I started getting into evolutionary psychology
and I got so excited about it. I just couldn't
help reading everything I could get my hands on, and
I think eventually I became sort of an expert on it.
I lectured in my courses on it, and then went
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and started writing research articles on it. So that's how
I got started.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Well, let me make very clear, Professor Martin Defont, I
am a lapsed attorney.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
My license is not active.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I've never gone to medical school nor architectural school, but
daily IOP. I have no culinary training, but daily I
practiced law. Pretend I'm a doctor, criticized architectural styles, offer
expert opinion on food, so I'm not opposed to a
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cross jurisdictional extracurricular expertise. I am fascinated by your findings here.
Let's dive into those and why you felt this was
important to get to. So I've got about five minutes
left in this segment. I'm just going to open the
doors to you and let you go and I'll cut
you off.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Sounds good. Well, briefly, I think I come from a
unique position in that I bring a scientific research perspective
to feminist studies, and I learned along the way that
feminist studies was against evolutionary psychology, or at least many
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many of the people of the scholars in feminist studies
are trying or attempting to refute evolutionary psychology. Would you
like me to get into a little bit of evolutionary psychology?
Do we have the time for that?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
We're going to make tom.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think this is an important discussion, so even if
it bleeds into obviously we're going to need multiple segments
to get through this. It's not your typical talk radio conversation,
but I think it's a sort of University of life
thing that people need to hear.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So yes, take it away.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Well, I'll briefly get into it. Then. What biology finds
is that there are differences in the animal kingdom, humans
included differences between men and women. I think most of us,
if you're not a sociologist, knows that. But for some
reason in sociology in femos studies, in particular, there seems
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to be this idea that men and women are the
same behaviorally, even though we have very different physical differences.
But evolutionary psychology is looking at it from a differenttive.
We're trying to understand why their behavioral differences between men
and women, and all starts out with the sperm in
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the egg. Men produce millions of sperm and women, in contrast,
over a lifetime, only produce a women a number of eggs,
and then that puts them into a kind of a
predicament in hunter gathered society because.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
They have to be careful.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
If a woman in a hunter gathered society got pregnant,
they might be faced with raising a child with no
help from the husband or his side of the family.
So it's important for women to choose carefully, and I
think that explains why women are much more selective and
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sexually reluctant than men are. Men would not be in
hunter gathered society as burdened by a woman getting pregnant,
and of course that relates indirectly to you know, women
in a hunter gathered society having to choose carefully making
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sure that they're going to get male parental investment. That
is where a man is going to help raise the children.
And so women started choosing men on the basis of
whether they were going to, you know, be good parents.
And it's interesting men choose too, but women. Women are
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particularly make choices based on whether or not they're going
to get male parental investment. So that weighs heavily on
who women form long lasting relationships with. And we can
see this happening if you go back to our history
in a hunter gathered society. We started out our ancestors
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about four to seven million years ago, started out with
brains about the size of chimpanzees. And as brains began
evolving to the large size of a relatively short period
of time geologically speaking, the birth canal. It did increase
in size, but only to the extent that only twenty
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five percent of the development the brain could take place
inside a woman. And so that meant that when babies
were born, they were born pretty much helpless. And so
this was another burden on women. They not only had
to be careful about who the parent was whether they
were going to give some parental investment, but they had
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to make sure that that father was going to be
around for a long period of time while these children developed.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Professor Mark Defauche here is our guest.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
We will continue regarding his article a peer reviewed and
Sexuality and Culture titled Evolutionary Psychology and the Crisis of
Empirical Rigor in Feminist Studies, or.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Americans a nation that can be defined in a single word.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I was the foot him not only authentic.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Frontier Hubbery expressed the scene of the state Michael berry shoe.
Professor Mark defaut is our guest. Professor I interrupted you
in the middle. So if you just kind of pick
up rewind like they do on the American Greed or
any of the other specials, kind of catch us up
to where we were. Keith Morrison's credit this and then
and then continue to launch in because this is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, well, give me.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
A heads up if I'm running down the wrong track here.
I was talking about how our large brains have forced
women to have babies early before the brain is fully developed,
and as a consequence, we have the birth of pretty
helpless animals. You know, it's very different in much of
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the animal kiddom, because when a baby giraffe is born, boy,
they're pretty much up and running within the first few
hours of life, whereas it takes years for humans to
reach full development. And then there's another thing going on
here which Darwin knew about when he was studying evolution,
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and that is that it's not all about natural selection,
a natural selection being that the fittest survive in the
animal kingdom. But he also noticed that there was a
sexual selection going on where, for example, with some species
like gorillas and lions, big males.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Fight with other big males and the winner.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Takes all, so they have harems basically, and that's a
true what I would call a patriarchy, where where the
society is controlled by males. The male gorilla basically forces
of the female to have sex one and wherever he chooses,
because he's so much larger two two and a half
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times larger than the female and of course stronger than
all the other males. Now humans fall into the area
of make preference, where in our we do have some
of the same things gorilla's experience because men are about
one point one point five times larger than women, so
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we know that there's some selection going on the way
gorillas do it. Males compete, but also women are selecting
and men select too. But women are choosing who they
want to have children with because they have to be careful,
as I mentioned earlier, and this is known as make preference.
And what are women looking for, Well, primarily they're looking
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for men with resources or men that can achieve resources
to help in male parental investment. And this has cost
kind of a clash men of men that they're looking
for our good hunters. They're good trackers, they can protect women.
They can also form coalitions with other men to attack
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other villages, and we see this throughout hunter gather society.
And so I think you could begin to see where
men may have developed evolutionarily speaking, some characteristics that we
see today. Men are much more aggressive than women, and
we have higher risk tolerance. Women tend to be risk adverse.
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Women tend to be nurtures. Men tend to be very
aggressive and interestingly enough, because they want they want to
have sexual relationships with women. They compete with other men,
and women choose. So this whole concept that feminism has
about some patriarchy where men are out to oppress women,
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or that we're our behaviors masculine fact women that are
created by society is kind of almost a lie. It's
a misinterpretation at the very least.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Okay, just in a circle and put a bow on it,
because sometimes I realize when we're not looking at someone,
it's harder to understand their argument. And this is a
this is an advanced argument. You're basically saying, then, that
you can't say that men want to oppress women, and
that is the underlying basis of feminism, of feminist scholarship today.
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You cannot say that because it is it is empirically untrue,
because it's biologically not true.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It has never been.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Absolutely and why wouldn't women Let's just let's just play
this out. Why why wouldn't men want to oppress women?
It's in my it's in my best interest if other
people are knocked down, leaving me the tallest midget. Why
wouldn't I want to oppress women to my own good?
For the same reason that is a barrier to entry, right.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, And I think I don't want you to misunderstanding here.
We all have We all have a desire, to some
extent greater or lesser, to control our spouse. That's obvious
in that you know, we don't want them to have
extramarial relationships. Most of us don't anyway, and so each
is trying to control the other to some extent, But
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in general, there isn't a situation where men are conspiring
to oppress women. Women would argue that culture has formed
us to be masculine or formed us to be feminine,
and I mean women to be feminine, men to be masculine,
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and that doesn't seem to be true at all when
you start looking at evolutionary psychology and biology. So did
I clarify that to some extent.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't necessarily agree with my point. I just made
it for the sake of exploring that a little further.
I guess I'm interested in you know, you talk about
the biology of it, and that gets left out of
all of this. I'm very interested in the untamed, untouched,
uncorrupted man and woman, but particularly man as it relates
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to other men and women if he's not inculcated beginning
with his mother as to what a boy should be,
and then with his female teachers who tell him to
tuck his wiener and sit quietly and basically, don't be
a boy. Don't wrestle, don't fight, don't climb trees, don't
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do dangerous things, don't be aggressive, and now now they've
advanced it to the point where we fill him full
of drugs to deny his natural urges and inclinations, which
would have dissipated in time. Civilized society has proven that.
I just wonder about who a boy becoming a man
is uncorrupted by all those things. And I don't know
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the answer to that. I don't know that we have
We don't have a we don't have a sample to
choose from to draw from.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, that's unfortunate, isn't I mean, I think you're you're
you're making it very clear. Uh, your clarity is great.
I like ADHD has becomes so popular to say that
boys are, you know, out of control in classrooms. Well,
it's because we you know, women tend to be biologically
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much better behave. They're they're nurturing, they're not aggressive, uh,
and they're not as violent as men either. So boys
get out there and they wrestle, and of course wrestling
and fighting and all those kinds of things are the
things to prepare men to be men in hunter gathered society. Now,
you know, we don't live in a hunter gathered society now,
but these are things that are left over from evolution
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in three hundred thousand years of Homo sapiens, and you know,
ten thousand years of civilization isn't going to change that.
We need hundreds of thousands of years to change behavior
through evolution. So boys, then when you get women teachers,
women teachers don't like boys that are aggressive and violent
but well certainly not violent, but are aggressive, and they
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tend then to suppress or try to suppress that. And
I think it's a shame for boys. I think I
think males in general are really not treated very well
by society these dates, and I think feminists have a
lot to do with that. You know, there's masculinity and
then there's toxic messunity, but they're not the same, and
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not all men are toxic.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Right, But I think it's even more than that professor
as that arrest me or take me to Texas because
I haven't ready to get out of this state.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I think Michael Barry rob I like.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
The offsor Martin Defont is our guest.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
The peer reviewed paper in Sexuality and Culture is titled
Evolutionary Psychology and the Crisis of Empirical rigor in Feminist Studies.
This is a bit of an NPR style interview with
a conservative, at least from my perspective as it relates
to me, bent not your typical talk radio fair but
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interesting nonetheless, because it underpins everything we're talking about as
relates to feminism today and what rush I think accurately
called feminazis and certainly cleverly called feminazis. And we get
to the point where we have to ask the question,
what is at the root of feminism and feminist studies,
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and more importantly than the studies, is the application in
the real world of what they are studying and teaching.
And that's not only the scholarship that is as applied
in therapy sessions, as applied in movies, as applied.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
In news stories.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Because I do think there has been a tectonic shift
in the way we look at sexual relations, by which
I mean boys and girls, men and women, and that
what was once referred to as chivalry is now toxic masculinity,
what is natural and endemic to the male in most
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cases biologically, is now being referred to as some form
of criminal, immoral, evil, oppressive. And I think there's a
dastardly effect over the long term of this happening. And
if we go back to the title of the article,
Evolutionary Psychology and the Crisis of empirical rigor in Feminist Studies.
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Our professor Mark Dafont is saying that there is not
empirical rigor, that they are not basing it on the
ten and so science that we have respected from the
time of Copernicus, Newton, Aristotle, you name it. And so
now what we're doing is a touchy feely quote unquote science.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And that's a problem, right, absolutely, and you're so right
to make those points. The American Psychological Association has accepted
this idea that our masculine behaviors and feminine behaviors are
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not biological, they're psychological. And if you can change behavior,
then they can make men behave more feminine, less aggressive,
and get rid of masculinity in general. And that's where
it ruffles my feathers, so to speak. Why are we
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punishing masculine men, Why are we calling them toxic? It's
things that women originally chose for a hunter gather society.
They wanted protecting men. They wanted men that were good hunters,
They wanted men that could go out and risk their lives.
It came at a price. One of the reasons why
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young men die so much younger and so more often
than women is because we are aggressive. We live a
shorter life on general by six years if I remember correctly. So,
so you know, this whole masculinity thing can be detrimental
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to men, but it also can be very very good attribute.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Not only a very good it's very natural.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And yes, it's important that we understand, and I think
a lot of women, especially feminazi women, don't understand.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
We don't need everyone.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'll use a sports analogy, don't need everyone on the
team to be a quarterback, because somebody needs to be
the right guard, and somebody needs to be the field
goal kicker, and somebody needs to be the wide receiver,
and those are very different skill sets, body types, strength level,
speed levels, And so this idea that you are trying
to basically feminize men, which I see as the tendency,
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we see it taken to its disturbing, an all too
common conclusion where they're feminizing men to the point that
men have this fetishistic sense of womanhood about themselves. Dylan
Molvaney would be a great example, which is really just
a twelve year old girl. Grown women don't run around
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the way Dylan mulvaney does having their coming out party
or their debutante ball. This is absurd, It's ridiculous. It's
like some episode front of Frozen every dad has lived through.
In the backseat of a bunch of girls. It's a
twelve year old girl. It's silly, that's not it's weird.
But I think that what we're seeing is this desire
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to make men be more like women, thereby feminizing them
is being taken to its most disturbing distraint extreme, which
is making them into women itself. That's a trend that
I believe feminism has accelerated.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Oh yes, that's a I mean, that's almost.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
A non sequitor in the universities that women are trying
to do this. Yes they are. They're feminizing the universities.
Next time you get on a university, see how many
men are acting masculine on the university campuses, aggressive, all
those things that are looked down on university of campuses.
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I'm careful not to judge all people, but certainly a
large percentage of females that I know on campus are
trying to feminize the university and in general, feminized men,
and in fact, the American Psychological Association published a large
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report in twenty eighteen basically saying, we want to feminize men.
We want to make sure that the therapists out there
are coming down on behavior, on masculine behavior. That scared
the heck out. I mean when I heard that, I thought, gosh,
you know, we as scientists have to speak out against
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this thing. Men and boys are being punies for simply.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Being masculine, and nothing is more natural than being what
you biologically are. You know, one of the great compelling
moral arguments against racism is that someone should not be judged,
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to quote Martin Luther King Jr. By the color of
their skins, and rather by the content of their character.
We can't control what we were born, and it feels
that feminism has done exactly that to boys. And anyone
who does not understand that if you have seen how
I've raised two little boys into grown men, and little
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boys are very different than little girls in consistent ways.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And I'll tell you it's the same thing with breeds.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I've had Shuahas, I've had German shepherds, and they are
very consistent with their breed.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I was a little boy, My brothers were little boys.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I watched how little boys behaved and I watched how
girls behave differently, and it wasn't because we were conditioned
or socialized to those behaviors, because that's what came naturally
to us. Well, I'm gonna have to hold you right there.
My clock management is not as good as I would
like it to be. But I don't want you to
have to stop in the middle of a discussion. We
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will continue our conversation with Professor Mark the defunct regarding
the lack or he says, a crisis of empirical rigor
and feminist studies, by which he means they're.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Just making stuff up. It's not scientific anymore, and it
does have real effects.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It has real effects on your children, real effects on you,
on whether boys go into girls' bathrooms, whether boys play
sports on the same field as a girl even when
they can injure them, and so much more come out
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Berry's Show is on the air. It's Charlie from
Black Ferce Mood. I can feel a good one coming on.
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It's the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh, yes it is, Yes, it is. What a week
it has been. Let's just talk about just this week.
What has happened. Democrats admitted the top Democrat in the
House of Representatives admitted that the border is secure. Just
admitted it, Like, I agree, border secure, then refuse to
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give Donald Trump credit. Well, I don't wait on Hakeem
Jeffrey's approval for my opinions. I think it's comical. It
tells you how bad things are when a king Jeffreys
has to admit, yeah, the border is secure, but Trump
doesn't deserve credit, and Corey Booker has to say he
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got married, you know, to a woman. Corey Booker has
to say, well, hey, that Trump account for the kids
I propose that years ago. Does that mean you'll support him?
When they're having to tell you that Trump didn't do that,
(01:35):
Trump didn't build that, Trump isn't responsible for that. That's
how you know they're in trouble. That's how you know
that what he's doing is popular when they're claiming that
they deserve the credit for what he's done on the
very things they have fought him on, tooth and nail.
(01:57):
That's how you know that what he's doing is popular,
and they know it.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
They're bummed out about it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
The President has pushed them into a position where they're
having to defend narco terrorists. And then you just go
to the archive. There's Joe Biden telling President Bush the
first nineteen eighty nine, we need an international strikeforce on
these narco terrorists. We need to hit them and hit
(02:28):
them hard. And now, of course Joe Biden he can't.
He could take a victory lap, but he'd probably fall
and that'd be awkward. But Democrats can't stand by the
things they said. Not so long ago, Harry Reid, the
(02:49):
Senate Majority leader, saying that you got these anchor babies,
you got these illegal aliens coming in these countries, plopping
down a baby and then saying, well, my baby gets
to stay if you kick me out.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You want to kick me out and leave my baby here?
Do you?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Democrats used to have a problem with that. Bernie Sanders
used to make statements about how flooding the American market
with illegal aliens was driving down the wages for American citizens.
Oh but he won't say that today, will you. There
(03:22):
used to be a time when the Democrats would appeal
to working class Americans, to American citizens, to American taxpayers.
And then they made a decision. The big money for
their campaigns and them personally was the checks from George Soros.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And once they made that deal, they all flipped.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
They all flipped together, and they started trying to convince
people that what they were doing wasn't so bad.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
But boy, it was all right. Let's get started. Courtesy
of executive producer Chad A. Cooney. Nakanishi, you're weak.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I cannot go out in public without some woman at
the very next table who's a cackler.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And apparently whoever she's with is Bob hopes they they
did just one line. She did rack. Nobody at their
table can tell her to shut up.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Hairfang attack inside a barber shop.
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That video shows a man getting angry after a hair.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Security video from that day shows Davis walking back into
Square Biz with a gun and threatening the owner, Samuel Wilson.
Wilson says this was all over an issue with Davis's hairline, the.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Haircut with that, he pulled a fire in front of
a key.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Dispute resolution skills absolutely active, fool, The dude cuts your
hairline too hot, it'll grow back.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Video of a raccoon that has gone viral. It broke
into a liquor store, ransacked several shelves.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
The animal became intoxicated that it passed out in that crow.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Was she just not able to contain her laughter? Her cackle?
We know you knew the story already. There's no way
you thought it was that funny.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The fifth time you heard it, you just couldn't control yourself.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Was that supposed to add to the y'all should be la?
Was that the laugh track?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
What I'm driving in and I hear it? And the
thing about I don't understand it is it was a
Michael Berry endorsement.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It was a probably grand ranch.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So why would you do? I appreciate that you endorse him,
but why would they play a trouble when they could have?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
He folks, it's Michael Berry.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I just I don't they get Do they get a
discount on that spot if it's if it's you instead
of me?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Brobo Steve Cropper, a member of the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame, has died.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Co wrote classic songs including Sitting on the Dock of
the Bay and in the Midnight at Work Sean Cromper,
You are the soundtrack of my life? What are you
most proud of?
Speaker 5 (05:52):
The biggest thrill I get is sharing the song that
I've written in the radio.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
There's something about radio and you hear it on the radio.
You're sitting in your car and you go, hey, I
had something to.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
They remain scared the death of you, and they remain
scared to.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Death of Trump. Michael Berry Show. You're not going anywhere
even if Trump does. You're not.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
So every day I get pitches from PR agents and
they'll say, you know, would you like to interview this
actor they're in this movie, or this author who's in
this book? And not a nine point nine percent of
the time, I'm just not interested. I don't know, no,
thanks to nothing against that person's work. I just it
does doesn't interest me. But I came across a pitch
(06:33):
for an article that was published entitled Evolutionary Psychology and
the Crisis of Empirical Rigor in Feminist Studies. Okay, who
got my attention, and it argues that much of modern
feminist scholarship has drifted from empirical science, that which we
(06:56):
know to be true and can prove it, into ideology. Well,
now it's not science anymore, is it rejecting biological and
psychological I'm reading psychological evidence that explains sex differences in behavior, preferences.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And outcomes.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
So what I saw here was something of a clinical
scientific approach to what we see happening but can't necessarily
may not have the words the concepts to be able
to define it. And so I thought, well, let me
see if I can get this professor on, and here
we are. His name is Professor Mark. Defant? Is that
(07:32):
defant or defunt?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It? Defunt? My apologies?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Professor Mark defined, first of all, the background behind why
you wrote this. I noted in your in Looking you up,
you were a professor of geology at the University of
South Florida, so this would seem like it would be
outside your usual realm.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Normally it would be. By the way, thanks for having
me on. I started out as a geochemist. I published
extensively in geochemistry, and I'm a volcanologist by training. I
studied volcanoes, not valkans. But about thirty years ago, I
started teaching in our university's honors program, which gave me
(08:14):
a lot of ability to teach things I thought were
interesting in science, and I started getting into evolutionary psychology
and I got so excited about it. I just couldn't
help reading everything I could get my hands on, and
I think eventually I became sort of an expert on it.
I lectured in my courses on it, and then went
(08:37):
and started writing research articles on it. So that's how
I got started.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Well, let me make very clear, Professor Martin Defont, I
am a lapsed attorney.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
My license is not active.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I've never gone to medical school nor architectural school, but
daily IOP. I have no culinary training, but daily I
practiced law. Pretend I'm a doctor, criticized architectural styles, offer
expert opinion on food, so I'm not opposed to a
(09:12):
cross jurisdictional extracurricular expertise. I am fascinated by your findings here.
Let's dive into those and why you felt this was
important to get to. So I've got about five minutes
left in this segment. I'm just going to open the
doors to you and let you go and I'll cut
you off.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Sounds good. Well, briefly, I think I come from a
unique position in that I bring a scientific research perspective
to feminist studies, and I learned along the way that
feminist studies was against evolutionary psychology, or at least many
(09:54):
many of the people of the scholars in feminist studies
are trying or attempting to refute evolutionary psychology. Would you
like me to get into a little bit of evolutionary psychology?
Do we have the time for that?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
We're going to make tom.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think this is an important discussion, so even if
it bleeds into obviously we're going to need multiple segments
to get through this. It's not your typical talk radio conversation,
but I think it's a sort of University of life
thing that people need to hear.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
So yes, take it away.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Well, I'll briefly get into it. Then. What biology finds
is that there are differences in the animal kingdom, humans
included differences between men and women. I think most of us,
if you're not a sociologist, knows that. But for some
reason in sociology in femos studies, in particular, there seems
(10:46):
to be this idea that men and women are the
same behaviorally, even though we have very different physical differences.
But evolutionary psychology is looking at it from a differenttive.
We're trying to understand why their behavioral differences between men
and women, and all starts out with the sperm in
(11:08):
the egg. Men produce millions of sperm and women, in contrast,
over a lifetime, only produce a women a number of eggs,
and then that puts them into a kind of a
predicament in hunter gathered society because.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
They have to be careful.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
If a woman in a hunter gathered society got pregnant,
they might be faced with raising a child with no
help from the husband or his side of the family.
So it's important for women to choose carefully, and I
think that explains why women are much more selective and
(11:54):
sexually reluctant than men are. Men would not be in
hunter gathered society as burdened by a woman getting pregnant,
and of course that relates indirectly to you know, women
in a hunter gathered society having to choose carefully making
(12:14):
sure that they're going to get male parental investment. That
is where a man is going to help raise the children.
And so women started choosing men on the basis of
whether they were going to, you know, be good parents.
And it's interesting men choose too, but women. Women are
(12:38):
particularly make choices based on whether or not they're going
to get male parental investment. So that weighs heavily on
who women form long lasting relationships with. And we can
see this happening if you go back to our history
in a hunter gathered society. We started out our ancestors
(13:00):
about four to seven million years ago, started out with
brains about the size of chimpanzees. And as brains began
evolving to the large size of a relatively short period
of time geologically speaking, the birth canal. It did increase
in size, but only to the extent that only twenty
(13:25):
five percent of the development the brain could take place
inside a woman. And so that meant that when babies
were born, they were born pretty much helpless. And so
this was another burden on women. They not only had
to be careful about who the parent was whether they
were going to give some parental investment, but they had
(13:46):
to make sure that that father was going to be
around for a long period of time while these children developed.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Professor Mark Defauche here is our guest.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
We will continue regarding his article a peer reviewed and
Sexuality and Culture titled Evolutionary Psychology and the Crisis of
Empirical Rigor in Feminist Studies, or.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Americans a nation that can be defined in a single word.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I was the foot him not only authentic.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Frontier Hubbery expressed the scene of the state Michael berry shoe.
Professor Mark defaut is our guest. Professor I interrupted you
in the middle. So if you just kind of pick
up rewind like they do on the American Greed or
any of the other specials, kind of catch us up
to where we were. Keith Morrison's credit this and then
and then continue to launch in because this is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, well, give me.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
A heads up if I'm running down the wrong track here.
I was talking about how our large brains have forced
women to have babies early before the brain is fully developed,
and as a consequence, we have the birth of pretty
helpless animals. You know, it's very different in much of
(15:01):
the animal kiddom, because when a baby giraffe is born, boy,
they're pretty much up and running within the first few
hours of life, whereas it takes years for humans to
reach full development. And then there's another thing going on
here which Darwin knew about when he was studying evolution,
(15:23):
and that is that it's not all about natural selection,
a natural selection being that the fittest survive in the
animal kingdom. But he also noticed that there was a
sexual selection going on where, for example, with some species
like gorillas and lions, big males.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Fight with other big males and the winner.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Takes all, so they have harems basically, and that's a
true what I would call a patriarchy, where where the
society is controlled by males. The male gorilla basically forces
of the female to have sex one and wherever he chooses,
because he's so much larger two two and a half
(16:08):
times larger than the female and of course stronger than
all the other males. Now humans fall into the area
of make preference, where in our we do have some
of the same things gorilla's experience because men are about
one point one point five times larger than women, so
(16:28):
we know that there's some selection going on the way
gorillas do it. Males compete, but also women are selecting
and men select too. But women are choosing who they
want to have children with because they have to be careful,
as I mentioned earlier, and this is known as make preference.
And what are women looking for, Well, primarily they're looking
(16:49):
for men with resources or men that can achieve resources
to help in male parental investment. And this has cost
kind of a clash men of men that they're looking
for our good hunters. They're good trackers, they can protect women.
They can also form coalitions with other men to attack
(17:11):
other villages, and we see this throughout hunter gather society.
And so I think you could begin to see where
men may have developed evolutionarily speaking, some characteristics that we
see today. Men are much more aggressive than women, and
we have higher risk tolerance. Women tend to be risk adverse.
(17:33):
Women tend to be nurtures. Men tend to be very
aggressive and interestingly enough, because they want they want to
have sexual relationships with women. They compete with other men,
and women choose. So this whole concept that feminism has
about some patriarchy where men are out to oppress women,
(17:57):
or that we're our behaviors masculine fact women that are
created by society is kind of almost a lie. It's
a misinterpretation at the very least.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Okay, just in a circle and put a bow on it,
because sometimes I realize when we're not looking at someone,
it's harder to understand their argument. And this is a
this is an advanced argument. You're basically saying, then, that
you can't say that men want to oppress women, and
that is the underlying basis of feminism, of feminist scholarship today.
(18:31):
You cannot say that because it is it is empirically untrue,
because it's biologically not true.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It has never been.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Absolutely and why wouldn't women Let's just let's just play
this out. Why why wouldn't men want to oppress women?
It's in my it's in my best interest if other
people are knocked down, leaving me the tallest midget. Why
wouldn't I want to oppress women to my own good?
For the same reason that is a barrier to entry, right.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, And I think I don't want you to misunderstanding here.
We all have We all have a desire, to some
extent greater or lesser, to control our spouse. That's obvious
in that you know, we don't want them to have
extramarial relationships. Most of us don't anyway, and so each
is trying to control the other to some extent, But
(19:25):
in general, there isn't a situation where men are conspiring
to oppress women. Women would argue that culture has formed
us to be masculine or formed us to be feminine,
and I mean women to be feminine, men to be masculine,
(19:47):
and that doesn't seem to be true at all when
you start looking at evolutionary psychology and biology. So did
I clarify that to some extent.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't necessarily agree with my point. I just made
it for the sake of exploring that a little further.
I guess I'm interested in you know, you talk about
the biology of it, and that gets left out of
all of this. I'm very interested in the untamed, untouched,
uncorrupted man and woman, but particularly man as it relates
(20:23):
to other men and women if he's not inculcated beginning
with his mother as to what a boy should be,
and then with his female teachers who tell him to
tuck his wiener and sit quietly and basically, don't be
a boy. Don't wrestle, don't fight, don't climb trees, don't
(20:44):
do dangerous things, don't be aggressive, and now now they've
advanced it to the point where we fill him full
of drugs to deny his natural urges and inclinations, which
would have dissipated in time. Civilized society has proven that.
I just wonder about who a boy becoming a man
is uncorrupted by all those things. And I don't know
(21:06):
the answer to that. I don't know that we have
We don't have a we don't have a sample to
choose from to draw from.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, that's unfortunate, isn't I mean, I think you're you're
you're making it very clear. Uh, your clarity is great.
I like ADHD has becomes so popular to say that
boys are, you know, out of control in classrooms. Well,
it's because we you know, women tend to be biologically
(21:36):
much better behave. They're they're nurturing, they're not aggressive, uh,
and they're not as violent as men either. So boys
get out there and they wrestle, and of course wrestling
and fighting and all those kinds of things are the
things to prepare men to be men in hunter gathered society. Now,
you know, we don't live in a hunter gathered society now,
but these are things that are left over from evolution
(21:58):
in three hundred thousand years of Homo sapiens, and you know,
ten thousand years of civilization isn't going to change that.
We need hundreds of thousands of years to change behavior
through evolution. So boys, then when you get women teachers,
women teachers don't like boys that are aggressive and violent
but well certainly not violent, but are aggressive, and they
(22:23):
tend then to suppress or try to suppress that. And
I think it's a shame for boys. I think I
think males in general are really not treated very well
by society these dates, and I think feminists have a
lot to do with that. You know, there's masculinity and
then there's toxic messunity, but they're not the same, and
(22:46):
not all men are toxic.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Right, But I think it's even more than that professor
as that arrest me or take me to Texas because
I haven't ready to get out of this state.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I think Michael Barry rob I like.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
The offsor Martin Defont is our guest.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
The peer reviewed paper in Sexuality and Culture is titled
Evolutionary Psychology and the Crisis of Empirical rigor in Feminist Studies.
This is a bit of an NPR style interview with
a conservative, at least from my perspective as it relates
to me, bent not your typical talk radio fair but
(23:28):
interesting nonetheless, because it underpins everything we're talking about as
relates to feminism today and what rush I think accurately
called feminazis and certainly cleverly called feminazis. And we get
to the point where we have to ask the question,
what is at the root of feminism and feminist studies,
(23:51):
and more importantly than the studies, is the application in
the real world of what they are studying and teaching.
And that's not only the scholarship that is as applied
in therapy sessions, as applied in movies, as applied.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
In news stories.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Because I do think there has been a tectonic shift
in the way we look at sexual relations, by which
I mean boys and girls, men and women, and that
what was once referred to as chivalry is now toxic masculinity,
what is natural and endemic to the male in most
(24:30):
cases biologically, is now being referred to as some form
of criminal, immoral, evil, oppressive. And I think there's a
dastardly effect over the long term of this happening. And
if we go back to the title of the article,
Evolutionary Psychology and the Crisis of empirical rigor in Feminist Studies.
(24:53):
Our professor Mark Dafont is saying that there is not
empirical rigor, that they are not basing it on the
ten and so science that we have respected from the
time of Copernicus, Newton, Aristotle, you name it. And so
now what we're doing is a touchy feely quote unquote science.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And that's a problem, right, absolutely, and you're so right
to make those points. The American Psychological Association has accepted
this idea that our masculine behaviors and feminine behaviors are
(25:33):
not biological, they're psychological. And if you can change behavior,
then they can make men behave more feminine, less aggressive,
and get rid of masculinity in general. And that's where
it ruffles my feathers, so to speak. Why are we
(25:55):
punishing masculine men, Why are we calling them toxic? It's
things that women originally chose for a hunter gather society.
They wanted protecting men. They wanted men that were good hunters,
They wanted men that could go out and risk their lives.
It came at a price. One of the reasons why
(26:16):
young men die so much younger and so more often
than women is because we are aggressive. We live a
shorter life on general by six years if I remember correctly. So,
so you know, this whole masculinity thing can be detrimental
(26:37):
to men, but it also can be very very good attribute.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Not only a very good it's very natural.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And yes, it's important that we understand, and I think
a lot of women, especially feminazi women, don't understand.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
We don't need everyone.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'll use a sports analogy, don't need everyone on the
team to be a quarterback, because somebody needs to be
the right guard, and somebody needs to be the field
goal kicker, and somebody needs to be the wide receiver,
and those are very different skill sets, body types, strength level,
speed levels, And so this idea that you are trying
to basically feminize men, which I see as the tendency,
(27:21):
we see it taken to its disturbing, an all too
common conclusion where they're feminizing men to the point that
men have this fetishistic sense of womanhood about themselves. Dylan
Molvaney would be a great example, which is really just
a twelve year old girl. Grown women don't run around
(27:43):
the way Dylan mulvaney does having their coming out party
or their debutante ball. This is absurd, It's ridiculous. It's
like some episode front of Frozen every dad has lived through.
In the backseat of a bunch of girls. It's a
twelve year old girl. It's silly, that's not it's weird.
But I think that what we're seeing is this desire
(28:06):
to make men be more like women, thereby feminizing them
is being taken to its most disturbing distraint extreme, which
is making them into women itself. That's a trend that
I believe feminism has accelerated.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Oh yes, that's a I mean, that's almost.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
A non sequitor in the universities that women are trying
to do this. Yes they are. They're feminizing the universities.
Next time you get on a university, see how many
men are acting masculine on the university campuses, aggressive, all
those things that are looked down on university of campuses.
(28:49):
I'm careful not to judge all people, but certainly a
large percentage of females that I know on campus are
trying to feminize the university and in general, feminized men,
and in fact, the American Psychological Association published a large
(29:09):
report in twenty eighteen basically saying, we want to feminize men.
We want to make sure that the therapists out there
are coming down on behavior, on masculine behavior. That scared
the heck out. I mean when I heard that, I thought, gosh,
you know, we as scientists have to speak out against
(29:32):
this thing. Men and boys are being punies for simply.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Being masculine, and nothing is more natural than being what
you biologically are. You know, one of the great compelling
moral arguments against racism is that someone should not be judged,
(29:56):
to quote Martin Luther King Jr. By the color of
their skins, and rather by the content of their character.
We can't control what we were born, and it feels
that feminism has done exactly that to boys. And anyone
who does not understand that if you have seen how
I've raised two little boys into grown men, and little
(30:18):
boys are very different than little girls in consistent ways.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And I'll tell you it's the same thing with breeds.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I've had Shuahas, I've had German shepherds, and they are
very consistent with their breed.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I was a little boy, My brothers were little boys.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I watched how little boys behaved and I watched how
girls behave differently, and it wasn't because we were conditioned
or socialized to those behaviors, because that's what came naturally
to us. Well, I'm gonna have to hold you right there.
My clock management is not as good as I would
like it to be. But I don't want you to
have to stop in the middle of a discussion. We
(30:54):
will continue our conversation with Professor Mark the defunct regarding
the lack or he says, a crisis of empirical rigor
and feminist studies, by which he means they're.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Just making stuff up. It's not scientific anymore, and it
does have real effects.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It has real effects on your children, real effects on you,
on whether boys go into girls' bathrooms, whether boys play
sports on the same field as a girl even when
they can injure them, and so much more come out
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