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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Michael Barry Shoe.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Native Texas, according to the Census, has one point four
million veterans. Recent studies suggest between thirty three and forty
four veterans commit suicide every day in the United States.
Representative Cody Harris said, I begain isn't just another drug.
It's a whisper of redemption. In a single dose. It
(00:22):
can silence the screams of withdrawal, quiet the cravings that
chain people to addiction, and mend the broken pieces of
a mind ravaged by trauma. It has been described as
a by Dakota Meyer, as a hard reset. I don't
know if it works. I don't know how it works,
(00:43):
but I do know that I am very open and
eager for us to try things that might help people
who we send off to war and others, by the way,
who are suffering. To that end, Brian Hubbard is our guest.
Welcome to the program, Brian.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thank you very much for the opportunity to spend time
with you and your audience this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Sir, what is your involvement with IB again, Let's start there.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Well, I am a former appointed leader in Kentucky State government.
I had the opportunity to run the state social security,
disability and Chian support enforcement systems, as well as a
law enforcement agency called the Office of Medicaid Fraud and
Abuse Control that investigates and consecutes medical providers for fraud
on that system. The last role I held in Kentucky
(01:35):
state government was as the first chairman and executive director
of the Kentucky Opioid Commission, which had as its responsibility
the administration and oversight of almost one billion dollars in
settlement funds with which to combat an opioid epidemic that
began in the Appalachian mountains of East Kentucky's southern West
(01:55):
Virginia and the Port of Virginia that I grew up
in in the far southwestern corner of that state. Within
the role of Chairman of the Opioid Commission, I said,
our very first responsibility is to look for Kentucky's Manhattan
Project opportunity to pioneer a therapeutic breakthrough for opioid dependent individuals.
Despite best intentions and the deployment of billions of dollars
(02:19):
in public money, our existing treatment options are delivering unacceptedly
mediocre results. Now we must do better. So from that position,
I started looking everywhere I could for what that opportunity
may be. And on July the twenty ninth of twenty
twenty two, I heard the word I Begain for the
(02:40):
very first time. And after eight months of intensive due diligence,
research and critical examination that consisted of a second full
time off the book's job performed over those months, I
came to the conclusion that I Begain had three powerful attributes.
One is that it essentially resolves physiological substance dependence for opioids,
(03:07):
for alcohol, for cocaine, and for mass sessions for which
there are no effective medical treatments to deal with ritual
in an accelerated time frame, and by that I mean
within thirty six to forty eight hours of an in
national administration for eighty percent of people who get it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Brian hold with me for just a moment. I had
him pictured as Colonel Sanders. He looks more like Jeremiah Johnson.
Robert Restorers. Jeremia John's were going to hope up to
a lot younger than stink. There are lots of promises
of a silver bullet, but there are also things that work.
I really for the people who would benefit from this,
(03:48):
I really hope it does. Brian Hubbard is our guest.
He's executive director of the American Ibagain Initiative through the
R I D Foundation. Brian, I had you pictured looking
like Colonel Sanders, and then you came off looking like
Jeremiah Johnson.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well, I always enjoyed the opportunity to deliver unexpected surprises.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
How did you get so hawked up? What's your background?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well? By way of background, I grew up in the
coalfields of Virginia. I grew up in a working class family.
I had two beautiful Papa Hall's who were grade school
educated coal miners underground for forty years, and they were
the guiding lights of my life. Like many folks who
are under the age fifty and younger, I had parents
(04:39):
who essentially had a relationship that I recall as one
of a significant amount of conflict and chaos and screaming
and hollering, and as a frightened young little boy. Papas
that pulled me to the side of when I visited
with them, and they took great interest in me and
(05:00):
and say, look, if y'all knows you're scared, you're worried,
you're frightened, but you need to know two things. Half
y'all loves you more important me, God loves you. And
God has a special and unique purpose for your life.
No matter how bad it gets, no matter how dark
things are or how frightened you become, don't you ever
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lose sight of the fact God is real, God is loved,
and God's going to take care of you and sir,
If I hadn't had those gentlemen given me that lesson
from the time I could understand language in July is
about twelve years old, if I were alive at all,
I certainly wouldn't be speaking with you as I am today.
I would likely be in some dark hole wondering what
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somebody who helped jobs like I have had it was
going to come do to pull me out of the
ditch you ask. Now, I became who I am. I
hope that by the end of my days I am
half the man that my grandfather's worth, and that is
my greatest aspiration. So whatever virtue is there, I credit
to the benevolence of God and God's intervention in my
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life through the two angels that He gave me by
way of grandfathers.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Brian Hubbard I first heard about I begain from Marcus
the Treel and I've wanted to clarify during the break
that he was okay me telling the story, and he
did a I believe a single treatment and he began
evangelizing that this was what needed to be done for veterans.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
What is I begin and how does it work?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I began as an alkaloid. It is psychoactive that is
derived from three West African plant sources. One is the
eboga root, which takes about ten years to come into maturation.
It is the cultural pearl of a West African civilization
called the Buedis. The Buedis have used eboga in their
cultural and religious ceremonies for centuries. The mid sixties, a
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gentleman by the name of Howard Lotzov had had a
heroin addiction that had nearly taken his life, and he
had struggled with it for nine years. He came into
contact with ibagain that had been derived from that evogal route,
and he had an experience that lasted about ten to
twelve hours, which is how long I begain lasts, and
at the end of it he no longer wished to
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have heroin, and he never went back. And that touched
off sixty years of intensive deep dive observation of Field
City and research to understand how this works. There are
two other plant sources from which it comes. One is
called the blow Conga africana. It grows quickly, it grows plentifully.
It could grow in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas.
It is that environmentally suitable for this state. Uniquely, There's
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a third source, the name of which I can't recall.
But what is known about ibogain as an individual alkaloid
is that it has the unique ability, as previously mentioned,
to resolve physiological substance dependence. It has recently been discovered
not only does it interrupt addiction, but it has profound
regenerative effects on the brain itself. Our veterans, unfortunately, are
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ground zero for multiple systems failures within the United States government, federally,
state and local levels. We see this as demonstrated by
the dramatic rise in veteran suicide, the dramatic rise and
substances dependence among veteran populations that are treated with a
panopleo pharmacology that at bottom essentially anesthetize the soul and
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slowly euthanize the body, and as veterans have become desperate
for relief that American systems will not deliver, they have
taken the hell Mary Pass of a trip to Mexico
for an eyebegame treatment. And as they have returned in
what are now numbers in the thousands, and have advised
that they have felt the best that they can ever
recall feeling in their life. A cohort of thirty were
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studied by Stanford University. The results were released in the
journal Nature Medicine on January fifth, twenty twenty four, and
those results were dramatic. Number One, it has been discovered
that ibagain essentially resolves traumatic brain injury. And what makes
this so incredibly significant is there is nothing known within
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the medical universe that regenerates the tissue of the brain itself,
not one thing except for IB again. Pre and post
mriimages of the veteran brains revealed that a single administration
of ibagain created a regeneration of the flat matter that
covered the surface of each of these veteran brains. Flat
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matter is the electrical highway across which all of our
thoughts and impulses travel. Not only was flat matter regenerated
at scale but the centers of the brain responsible for
emotional regulation and executive functioning grew in size, and the
average reversal with brain age among the cohort of thirty
was one and a half years, with the top five
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veterans in their brains reverse in age by five years.
So what we now know is that not only is
i begain a profound addiction interruptor, but it has the
capacity to regenerate brain tissue in ways that are just
now beginning to be understood. And if we have the
opportunity in Texas to pioneer i be gain's pharmaceutical development
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through the FDA's process as champion by House Built author
Cody Harris and Senate Bill author Tan Parker, we are
going to pioneer breakthroughs related to the treatment of conditions
that impact the brain for which we have no effective answers,
and these include Parkinson's disease, line disease, multiple sclerosis, and
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perhaps even Alzheimer's disease. We cannot develop this medication quickly
enough and deploy it within the US medical system fast
enough to satisfy me or anyone else who is a
native its curative effects. So all eyes are now in
Texas as we let for an opportunity to allocate fifty
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million dollars to create a public habit partnership to get
this across the line.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Brian Hubbard is executive director of the iber Gain Foundation.
To be clear, folks, we're not trying to legalize ib game.
We're not trying to get you to take it. We're
not making I'm not making any medical claims. This is
an attempt to fund and study a potentially life saving drug,
because that's what it turns out to be. Brian Hubbard,
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you've explained a little bit about this drug. Talk to
us about how this let's say this thing is legalized tomorrow.
I know some folks who are investors in this have
come to find out of late and they're very excited
about the opportunity. And I am all for people making money.
That financial incentive makes makes money break loose and want
to fund more and do more. But what does this
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look like in five years ideally in your mind?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, let's begin with the acknowledgment of a very specific
financial reality. The US and healthcare system, as influenced by
the pharmaceutical industry, is currently one which prioritizes the delivery
of treatments of chronosity over treatments that can actually deliver
curative results. And one of the necessities for public funding
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for ibergain trials within the FDA's framework is to medicalize
this within the United States. Public money is necessary because
ibergain lost its patent as an addiction treatment back in
nineteen ninety two, so there is no big form of
profit incentive to develop it. Because of the way in
which you can resolve opioid and other substance dependencies in
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five years, what we would hope to have is a
fully medicalized ibergain treatment system, or an individual who has
whether it's traumatic brain injury, post traumatics, dress or celtiance dependency,
can come into a clinically controlled medical setting, spend anywhere
from a week to ten days inpatient, and receive eyebigain treatment.
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This is a very serious medication that does come with
certain cardiac risks, and it's important that this be administered
by medical professionals along with cardiac care nurses who are
able to mitigate risk. And that risk is the prolongation
of the time between the beats of the heart, which
if they become too long, can lead to cardiac or risk. Now,
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this particular risk can be mitigated with the co administration
of magnesium, and this is something that's been known for
decades among folks who know what they're doing with this.
When a person takes what are essentially appeals, and that's
how it's currently administered in the clinics of Mexico, you
take a peal and then you lay down once you
begin to fill the effects and the effects are usually
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accompanied by the sounds of clicking in your ears, and
then you kind of feel a heaviness and you lay down.
Because I don't believe in preaching what I ain't willing
to practice, I underwent the treatment to understand how it
works and what the effect is on the person. For
about ten to twelve hours, you are in a state
of semi paralysis. You are at all times oriented to person, place,
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and time. This is not dissociative. If I were to
take I have again right now, in an hour, I
could talk with you as coherently as I am now,
though I likely could not walk. However, if I close
my eyes, I will likely see visions from my life's history,
and I will see them from a perspective that almost
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places me outside of what my life has been so
that I am able to process and understand those things
that have happened to me from a vantage point that
is new and one that helps me understand how to
reorient my relationship with myself and my relationship with the world.
And it is through this introspective process that individual come
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away with what I believe is IBA gain's most potent quality,
and that is its ability to affirm the reality of
our human divinity as children of an eternal creator whose
essence is almighty unconditional love for each of us. Without
an acknowledgment of the existence and primacy of the human soul,
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there is not any medical treatment that can be delivered
through synthetic pharmacology that can get anyone who is experienced
in despair anywhere close to where they need to be
to become a restored human being. There is the opportunity
to responsibly medicalize eye gain, which should never be the
subject of legalization or decriminalization efforts, precisely because of the
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cardiac risk that accompanies it. It's a serious medication. It
gives a person the very best new beginning that can
be conferred upon them to rebuild little life that has
been devastated by trauma and or trauma and addiction, because
at the heart of those conditions is profound spiritual afflection.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Can you hold there for just a moment. I want
to read something I read said the United States outlawed.
I began in ibogain in nineteen sixty seven alongside other psychedelics.
Regulators later deemed it a Schedule one controlled substance with
no accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse,
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in the same class as LSD and heroin. Now, I
don't know enough about ibogain to know, but I know
that LSD and heroin from my study, are very different drugs,
and that the people typically making these classifications or fearmongers.
I don't think that marijuana should be criminalized, so we
let's start there, at least not for adults. And I
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don't want to smoke any public. But that's a different subject.
But why do you think I think it was it's categorized
as this, and where do you think. I know you
talked a little bit about under what terms would you
hopefully down the road, if it passes the studies and
gets blessed, that it would be administered.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I know you answered a little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Of that, So let's begin with this classification as a
Schedule one Substance Opportunity to Control Substances Act. That was
an explicitly reactionary, politically destructive decision that was made within
this broad based catchment of anything and everything that was
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deemed counterculture to the establishment of the time, in particular
the Mixton administration and its broad based war on drugs
that was in many ways racially motivated. Our legal system
is populated with what I would describe as a number
of fictitious legal realities that are used to bind, torture,
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and kill the truth and ibergains classification as a drug
or medication that has a high perpensity for abuse with
no therapeutic value as a prime example of one of
these fictitious legal realities. For everything that has a recreational
abusive use, there is a substantial street economy that borders it.
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We know where opium comes from, we know where cocaine
comes from, we know where meth comes from. There are
extensive black markets in the United States that distribute all
of these substances to our society. Most folks have never
heard about iyebagame because there is no street economy for
ib Again, there's no street economy for iybergame because it
is not a drug of abuse. It is a highly
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unpleasant and challenging physical experience to perceive this medication. Its
function is explicitly anti addictive, though unpleasant, and it does
not in any way belonging to the schedule.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
One Roan Howard, I guess discussing ibogain coming up. A
lot of people want to make decisions for other people.
They want to deny them opportunities to do this, or
that there are.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Too many fat people.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
We need a law that you can't eat sugar. There's
too much of this. We need to prevent people from
doing it. Because I don't do it, they shouldn't do it.
I received a number of emails during the break, one
of which said, your conversation with the gentleman regarding ibi
gain is dangerous. I have fifteen years of continuous sobriety.
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The only all cap way to get and stay sober
long term is by working the twelve steps. Oh okay, okay,
all right. Using a drug to get sober is dangerous
and doesn't work. However, by working the twelve steps and
going to AA or NA as well as working with
others will guarantee that you stay sober. I know a
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lot of people who've been to AA twenty times or
more and it didn't work for them. This isn't just
an opinion, it.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Is a fact.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Oh yes, there's always a person who says my way
is the only way, and it's very important that you
offer no alternative path to end up in that same place,
even if on a map it appears to me this
is my path, this is the only path. I won't
let you say there's another path. It's very important to
me that you validate my opinion and my way because
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this is the only way in the history of mankind
that anything has ever succeeded. And I know that, even
though I really don't even know what I begain is
because I know these things because it worked for me.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh yes, people are fascinating. People are fascinating.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Brian Hubbard is the executive director of the IBE Game Foundation.
By the way, I'm not trying to get anybody to
do IB again. I'm scared to death to do it.
This trip you take ten to twelve hours. This does
not sound like it's a faint of heart. My goodness alive.
But I've also watched guys who struggled when they came
back from war blow their brains out. That trip they
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were going through was worse than what this thing's going
to be. And why wouldn't we We will give our
our men, our warriors, every ship, every gun, every explosive,
every air cover, everything. We'll spend billions of dollars, hundreds
of billions of dollars to send them to war, and
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we can't look for ways to help them heal when
they come home when we know they're hurting.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
That doesn't seem right, does it?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Brian Hubbard? Let's wrap up. How do folks learn more
about this? If they would like to learn more.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Well, I'll point them in a couple of directions. One
is they can go to Ibergaintexas dot com and learn
all about the Texas Abagat Initiative and it's goal of
creating a first of its kind public private partnership or
by the State of Texas will lead this country in
the development of IVA gain's breakthrough therapeutic potential to address
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veterans suicide, veteran substance dependence, and other mental health conditions
that are brought on by the trauma of war. Recognizing
that veterans or ground zero for the most difficult afflictions
of the human condition, but certainly not the exclusive possessors
of those conditions. By virtue of the veterans walking through
the door, everyone else who shares in the burdens of
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both trauma and addiction will be able to receive with
a successful Texas project, the opportunity to choose this treatment. Said,
they show wish and mis very. You said it beautifully.
There is no one size fits all in the game
of life. Every person is a unique individual, and the
pathway to recovery from trauma and addiction is as unique
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as the person who has experienced it. We are duty
by out to diversify, expand and improve on therapeutic options
within this society to people who suffer with any affliction,
and the opportunity Texas has with IBA gain is one
to break down the door that has been erected by
the big pharma conglomerates that monetize sustained human misery. To
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bring liberation to our sufferers in this life whose next
stop is the graveyard. But for the intervention effects that
an IBI game treatment can bring, you may also go
to Rally Texas dot org to express your support for
Senate Bill twenty threeh eight and House Bill thirty seven
seventeen to your elected representatives here in Texas, whether they're
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your stay representatives, your state senators, your governor, Lieutenant Governor
Raley Texas dot org, please go there and express your
support for the passage of this critical legislation, whose fate
we will know by week's end.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Quote my dear friend Marcus Latrell, who went through the treatment,
when he said, trying to abuse I begain would be
like abusing chemo medication. You don't want to do it.
You know, people fear that they don't want anything to
be legal because everybody's going to abuse it. The most
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abused drug in America and has been for one hundred years,
of alcohol. It is so heavily abused that most people
don't even realize that they themselves are quote unquote abusing it.
They cannot imagine a life without it. They couldn't hold
a party without it, They couldn't have the workers join
after work without it. Some people wake up and can't
get till noon without it. They can't have a lunch
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without it, they can't have a nice dinner without it.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
It is so heavily abused.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
It is such a major part of our economy, and
it is so much a coping technique, which is an
abuse at that at those levels kidney livered, heart deak,
the things that. But nobody's out there trying to bring
back prohibition because we recognize so people will say to me, Brian,
They'll say, well, you're right about all that, but we
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can't make alcohol illegal yet, but we can keep all
them others illegal. But you understand that making something illegal
is not necessarily a benefit to society. Well, Brian, let
me wrap up by saying, I don't know the answer.
I've not done the treatment, and doesn't sound like I
want to do it. Marcus is a dear friend of mine.
He's pretty protective and he knows that my tolerance for
such things as a whole lot less than his, and
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this challenged him. But I am interested in seeking out ways,
whether that be plant based, a psychedelic, or anything else
that can help people, not just veterans, suffering from addiction
and trauma.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And you know, the early.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Results of this are pretty good, so I look forward
to hopefully some more good returns on it. Thank you
for sharing your time with us. Brian Hubbard.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Native Texas, according to the Census, has one point four
million veterans. Recent studies suggest between thirty three and forty
four veterans commit suicide every day in the United States.
Representative Cody Harris said, I begain isn't just another drug.
It's a whisper of redemption. In a single dose. It
(00:22):
can silence the screams of withdrawal, quiet the cravings that
chain people to addiction, and mend the broken pieces of
a mind ravaged by trauma. It has been described as
a by Dakota Meyer, as a hard reset. I don't
know if it works. I don't know how it works,
(00:43):
but I do know that I am very open and
eager for us to try things that might help people
who we send off to war and others, by the way,
who are suffering. To that end, Brian Hubbard is our guest.
Welcome to the program, Brian.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thank you very much for the opportunity to spend time
with you and your audience this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Sir, what is your involvement with IB again, Let's start there.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Well, I am a former appointed leader in Kentucky State government.
I had the opportunity to run the state social security,
disability and Chian support enforcement systems, as well as a
law enforcement agency called the Office of Medicaid Fraud and
Abuse Control that investigates and consecutes medical providers for fraud
on that system. The last role I held in Kentucky
(01:35):
state government was as the first chairman and executive director
of the Kentucky Opioid Commission, which had as its responsibility
the administration and oversight of almost one billion dollars in
settlement funds with which to combat an opioid epidemic that
began in the Appalachian mountains of East Kentucky's southern West
(01:55):
Virginia and the Port of Virginia that I grew up
in in the far southwestern corner of that state. Within
the role of Chairman of the Opioid Commission, I said,
our very first responsibility is to look for Kentucky's Manhattan
Project opportunity to pioneer a therapeutic breakthrough for opioid dependent individuals.
Despite best intentions and the deployment of billions of dollars
(02:19):
in public money, our existing treatment options are delivering unacceptedly
mediocre results. Now we must do better. So from that position,
I started looking everywhere I could for what that opportunity
may be. And on July the twenty ninth of twenty
twenty two, I heard the word I Begain for the
(02:40):
very first time. And after eight months of intensive due diligence,
research and critical examination that consisted of a second full
time off the book's job performed over those months, I
came to the conclusion that I Begain had three powerful attributes.
One is that it essentially resolves physiological substance dependence for opioids,
(03:07):
for alcohol, for cocaine, and for mass sessions for which
there are no effective medical treatments to deal with ritual
in an accelerated time frame, and by that I mean
within thirty six to forty eight hours of an in
national administration for eighty percent of people who get it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Brian hold with me for just a moment. I had
him pictured as Colonel Sanders. He looks more like Jeremiah Johnson.
Robert Restorers. Jeremia John's were going to hope up to
a lot younger than stink. There are lots of promises
of a silver bullet, but there are also things that work.
I really for the people who would benefit from this,
(03:48):
I really hope it does. Brian Hubbard is our guest.
He's executive director of the American Ibagain Initiative through the
R I D Foundation. Brian, I had you pictured looking
like Colonel Sanders, and then you came off looking like
Jeremiah Johnson.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well, I always enjoyed the opportunity to deliver unexpected surprises.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
How did you get so hawked up? What's your background?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well? By way of background, I grew up in the
coalfields of Virginia. I grew up in a working class family.
I had two beautiful Papa Hall's who were grade school
educated coal miners underground for forty years, and they were
the guiding lights of my life. Like many folks who
are under the age fifty and younger, I had parents
(04:39):
who essentially had a relationship that I recall as one
of a significant amount of conflict and chaos and screaming
and hollering, and as a frightened young little boy. Papas
that pulled me to the side of when I visited
with them, and they took great interest in me and
(05:00):
and say, look, if y'all knows you're scared, you're worried,
you're frightened, but you need to know two things. Half
y'all loves you more important me, God loves you. And
God has a special and unique purpose for your life.
No matter how bad it gets, no matter how dark
things are or how frightened you become, don't you ever
(05:21):
lose sight of the fact God is real, God is loved,
and God's going to take care of you and sir,
If I hadn't had those gentlemen given me that lesson
from the time I could understand language in July is
about twelve years old, if I were alive at all,
I certainly wouldn't be speaking with you as I am today.
I would likely be in some dark hole wondering what
(05:43):
somebody who helped jobs like I have had it was
going to come do to pull me out of the
ditch you ask. Now, I became who I am. I
hope that by the end of my days I am
half the man that my grandfather's worth, and that is
my greatest aspiration. So whatever virtue is there, I credit
to the benevolence of God and God's intervention in my
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life through the two angels that He gave me by
way of grandfathers.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Brian Hubbard I first heard about I begain from Marcus
the Treel and I've wanted to clarify during the break
that he was okay me telling the story, and he
did a I believe a single treatment and he began
evangelizing that this was what needed to be done for veterans.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
What is I begin and how does it work?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I began as an alkaloid. It is psychoactive that is
derived from three West African plant sources. One is the
eboga root, which takes about ten years to come into maturation.
It is the cultural pearl of a West African civilization
called the Buedis. The Buedis have used eboga in their
cultural and religious ceremonies for centuries. The mid sixties, a
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gentleman by the name of Howard Lotzov had had a
heroin addiction that had nearly taken his life, and he
had struggled with it for nine years. He came into
contact with ibagain that had been derived from that evogal route,
and he had an experience that lasted about ten to
twelve hours, which is how long I begain lasts, and
at the end of it he no longer wished to
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have heroin, and he never went back. And that touched
off sixty years of intensive deep dive observation of Field
City and research to understand how this works. There are
two other plant sources from which it comes. One is
called the blow Conga africana. It grows quickly, it grows plentifully.
It could grow in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas.
It is that environmentally suitable for this state. Uniquely, There's
(07:44):
a third source, the name of which I can't recall.
But what is known about ibogain as an individual alkaloid
is that it has the unique ability, as previously mentioned,
to resolve physiological substance dependence. It has recently been discovered
not only does it interrupt addiction, but it has profound
regenerative effects on the brain itself. Our veterans, unfortunately, are
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ground zero for multiple systems failures within the United States government, federally,
state and local levels. We see this as demonstrated by
the dramatic rise in veteran suicide, the dramatic rise and
substances dependence among veteran populations that are treated with a
panopleo pharmacology that at bottom essentially anesthetize the soul and
(08:33):
slowly euthanize the body, and as veterans have become desperate
for relief that American systems will not deliver, they have
taken the hell Mary Pass of a trip to Mexico
for an eyebegame treatment. And as they have returned in
what are now numbers in the thousands, and have advised
that they have felt the best that they can ever
recall feeling in their life. A cohort of thirty were
(08:55):
studied by Stanford University. The results were released in the
journal Nature Medicine on January fifth, twenty twenty four, and
those results were dramatic. Number One, it has been discovered
that ibagain essentially resolves traumatic brain injury. And what makes
this so incredibly significant is there is nothing known within
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the medical universe that regenerates the tissue of the brain itself,
not one thing except for IB again. Pre and post
mriimages of the veteran brains revealed that a single administration
of ibagain created a regeneration of the flat matter that
covered the surface of each of these veteran brains. Flat
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matter is the electrical highway across which all of our
thoughts and impulses travel. Not only was flat matter regenerated
at scale but the centers of the brain responsible for
emotional regulation and executive functioning grew in size, and the
average reversal with brain age among the cohort of thirty
was one and a half years, with the top five
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veterans in their brains reverse in age by five years.
So what we now know is that not only is
i begain a profound addiction interruptor, but it has the
capacity to regenerate brain tissue in ways that are just
now beginning to be understood. And if we have the
opportunity in Texas to pioneer i be gain's pharmaceutical development
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through the FDA's process as champion by House Built author
Cody Harris and Senate Bill author Tan Parker, we are
going to pioneer breakthroughs related to the treatment of conditions
that impact the brain for which we have no effective answers,
and these include Parkinson's disease, line disease, multiple sclerosis, and
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perhaps even Alzheimer's disease. We cannot develop this medication quickly
enough and deploy it within the US medical system fast
enough to satisfy me or anyone else who is a
native its curative effects. So all eyes are now in
Texas as we let for an opportunity to allocate fifty
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million dollars to create a public habit partnership to get
this across the line.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Brian Hubbard is executive director of the iber Gain Foundation.
To be clear, folks, we're not trying to legalize ib game.
We're not trying to get you to take it. We're
not making I'm not making any medical claims. This is
an attempt to fund and study a potentially life saving drug,
because that's what it turns out to be. Brian Hubbard,
(11:33):
you've explained a little bit about this drug. Talk to
us about how this let's say this thing is legalized tomorrow.
I know some folks who are investors in this have
come to find out of late and they're very excited
about the opportunity. And I am all for people making money.
That financial incentive makes makes money break loose and want
to fund more and do more. But what does this
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look like in five years ideally in your mind?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, let's begin with the acknowledgment of a very specific
financial reality. The US and healthcare system, as influenced by
the pharmaceutical industry, is currently one which prioritizes the delivery
of treatments of chronosity over treatments that can actually deliver
curative results. And one of the necessities for public funding
(12:24):
for ibergain trials within the FDA's framework is to medicalize
this within the United States. Public money is necessary because
ibergain lost its patent as an addiction treatment back in
nineteen ninety two, so there is no big form of
profit incentive to develop it. Because of the way in
which you can resolve opioid and other substance dependencies in
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five years, what we would hope to have is a
fully medicalized ibergain treatment system, or an individual who has
whether it's traumatic brain injury, post traumatics, dress or celtiance dependency,
can come into a clinically controlled medical setting, spend anywhere
from a week to ten days inpatient, and receive eyebigain treatment.
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This is a very serious medication that does come with
certain cardiac risks, and it's important that this be administered
by medical professionals along with cardiac care nurses who are
able to mitigate risk. And that risk is the prolongation
of the time between the beats of the heart, which
if they become too long, can lead to cardiac or risk. Now,
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this particular risk can be mitigated with the co administration
of magnesium, and this is something that's been known for
decades among folks who know what they're doing with this.
When a person takes what are essentially appeals, and that's
how it's currently administered in the clinics of Mexico, you
take a peal and then you lay down once you
begin to fill the effects and the effects are usually
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accompanied by the sounds of clicking in your ears, and
then you kind of feel a heaviness and you lay down.
Because I don't believe in preaching what I ain't willing
to practice, I underwent the treatment to understand how it
works and what the effect is on the person. For
about ten to twelve hours, you are in a state
of semi paralysis. You are at all times oriented to person, place,
(14:17):
and time. This is not dissociative. If I were to
take I have again right now, in an hour, I
could talk with you as coherently as I am now,
though I likely could not walk. However, if I close
my eyes, I will likely see visions from my life's history,
and I will see them from a perspective that almost
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places me outside of what my life has been so
that I am able to process and understand those things
that have happened to me from a vantage point that
is new and one that helps me understand how to
reorient my relationship with myself and my relationship with the world.
And it is through this introspective process that individual come
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away with what I believe is IBA gain's most potent quality,
and that is its ability to affirm the reality of
our human divinity as children of an eternal creator whose
essence is almighty unconditional love for each of us. Without
an acknowledgment of the existence and primacy of the human soul,
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there is not any medical treatment that can be delivered
through synthetic pharmacology that can get anyone who is experienced
in despair anywhere close to where they need to be
to become a restored human being. There is the opportunity
to responsibly medicalize eye gain, which should never be the
subject of legalization or decriminalization efforts, precisely because of the
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cardiac risk that accompanies it. It's a serious medication. It
gives a person the very best new beginning that can
be conferred upon them to rebuild little life that has
been devastated by trauma and or trauma and addiction, because
at the heart of those conditions is profound spiritual afflection.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Can you hold there for just a moment. I want
to read something I read said the United States outlawed.
I began in ibogain in nineteen sixty seven alongside other psychedelics.
Regulators later deemed it a Schedule one controlled substance with
no accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse,
(16:31):
in the same class as LSD and heroin. Now, I
don't know enough about ibogain to know, but I know
that LSD and heroin from my study, are very different drugs,
and that the people typically making these classifications or fearmongers.
I don't think that marijuana should be criminalized, so we
let's start there, at least not for adults. And I
(16:54):
don't want to smoke any public. But that's a different subject.
But why do you think I think it was it's categorized
as this, and where do you think. I know you
talked a little bit about under what terms would you
hopefully down the road, if it passes the studies and
gets blessed, that it would be administered.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I know you answered a little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Of that, So let's begin with this classification as a
Schedule one Substance Opportunity to Control Substances Act. That was
an explicitly reactionary, politically destructive decision that was made within
this broad based catchment of anything and everything that was
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deemed counterculture to the establishment of the time, in particular
the Mixton administration and its broad based war on drugs
that was in many ways racially motivated. Our legal system
is populated with what I would describe as a number
of fictitious legal realities that are used to bind, torture,
(17:59):
and kill the truth and ibergains classification as a drug
or medication that has a high perpensity for abuse with
no therapeutic value as a prime example of one of
these fictitious legal realities. For everything that has a recreational
abusive use, there is a substantial street economy that borders it.
(18:21):
We know where opium comes from, we know where cocaine
comes from, we know where meth comes from. There are
extensive black markets in the United States that distribute all
of these substances to our society. Most folks have never
heard about iyebagame because there is no street economy for
ib Again, there's no street economy for iybergame because it
is not a drug of abuse. It is a highly
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unpleasant and challenging physical experience to perceive this medication. Its
function is explicitly anti addictive, though unpleasant, and it does
not in any way belonging to the schedule.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
One Roan Howard, I guess discussing ibogain coming up. A
lot of people want to make decisions for other people.
They want to deny them opportunities to do this, or
that there are.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Too many fat people.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
We need a law that you can't eat sugar. There's
too much of this. We need to prevent people from
doing it. Because I don't do it, they shouldn't do it.
I received a number of emails during the break, one
of which said, your conversation with the gentleman regarding ibi
gain is dangerous. I have fifteen years of continuous sobriety.
(19:32):
The only all cap way to get and stay sober
long term is by working the twelve steps. Oh okay, okay,
all right. Using a drug to get sober is dangerous
and doesn't work. However, by working the twelve steps and
going to AA or NA as well as working with
others will guarantee that you stay sober. I know a
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lot of people who've been to AA twenty times or
more and it didn't work for them. This isn't just
an opinion, it.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Is a fact.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Oh yes, there's always a person who says my way
is the only way, and it's very important that you
offer no alternative path to end up in that same place,
even if on a map it appears to me this
is my path, this is the only path. I won't
let you say there's another path. It's very important to
me that you validate my opinion and my way because
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this is the only way in the history of mankind
that anything has ever succeeded. And I know that, even
though I really don't even know what I begain is
because I know these things because it worked for me.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh yes, people are fascinating. People are fascinating.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Brian Hubbard is the executive director of the IBE Game Foundation.
By the way, I'm not trying to get anybody to
do IB again. I'm scared to death to do it.
This trip you take ten to twelve hours. This does
not sound like it's a faint of heart. My goodness alive.
But I've also watched guys who struggled when they came
back from war blow their brains out. That trip they
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were going through was worse than what this thing's going
to be. And why wouldn't we We will give our
our men, our warriors, every ship, every gun, every explosive,
every air cover, everything. We'll spend billions of dollars, hundreds
of billions of dollars to send them to war, and
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we can't look for ways to help them heal when
they come home when we know they're hurting.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
That doesn't seem right, does it?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Brian Hubbard? Let's wrap up. How do folks learn more
about this? If they would like to learn more.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Well, I'll point them in a couple of directions. One
is they can go to Ibergaintexas dot com and learn
all about the Texas Abagat Initiative and it's goal of
creating a first of its kind public private partnership or
by the State of Texas will lead this country in
the development of IVA gain's breakthrough therapeutic potential to address
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veterans suicide, veteran substance dependence, and other mental health conditions
that are brought on by the trauma of war. Recognizing
that veterans or ground zero for the most difficult afflictions
of the human condition, but certainly not the exclusive possessors
of those conditions. By virtue of the veterans walking through
the door, everyone else who shares in the burdens of
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both trauma and addiction will be able to receive with
a successful Texas project, the opportunity to choose this treatment. Said,
they show wish and mis very. You said it beautifully.
There is no one size fits all in the game
of life. Every person is a unique individual, and the
pathway to recovery from trauma and addiction is as unique
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as the person who has experienced it. We are duty
by out to diversify, expand and improve on therapeutic options
within this society to people who suffer with any affliction,
and the opportunity Texas has with IBA gain is one
to break down the door that has been erected by
the big pharma conglomerates that monetize sustained human misery. To
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bring liberation to our sufferers in this life whose next
stop is the graveyard. But for the intervention effects that
an IBI game treatment can bring, you may also go
to Rally Texas dot org to express your support for
Senate Bill twenty threeh eight and House Bill thirty seven
seventeen to your elected representatives here in Texas, whether they're
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your stay representatives, your state senators, your governor, Lieutenant Governor
Raley Texas dot org, please go there and express your
support for the passage of this critical legislation, whose fate
we will know by week's end.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Quote my dear friend Marcus Latrell, who went through the treatment,
when he said, trying to abuse I begain would be
like abusing chemo medication. You don't want to do it.
You know, people fear that they don't want anything to
be legal because everybody's going to abuse it. The most
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abused drug in America and has been for one hundred years,
of alcohol. It is so heavily abused that most people
don't even realize that they themselves are quote unquote abusing it.
They cannot imagine a life without it. They couldn't hold
a party without it, They couldn't have the workers join
after work without it. Some people wake up and can't
get till noon without it. They can't have a lunch
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without it, they can't have a nice dinner without it.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
It is so heavily abused.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
It is such a major part of our economy, and
it is so much a coping technique, which is an
abuse at that at those levels kidney livered, heart deak,
the things that. But nobody's out there trying to bring
back prohibition because we recognize so people will say to me, Brian,
They'll say, well, you're right about all that, but we
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can't make alcohol illegal yet, but we can keep all
them others illegal. But you understand that making something illegal
is not necessarily a benefit to society. Well, Brian, let
me wrap up by saying, I don't know the answer.
I've not done the treatment, and doesn't sound like I
want to do it. Marcus is a dear friend of mine.
He's pretty protective and he knows that my tolerance for
such things as a whole lot less than his, and
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this challenged him. But I am interested in seeking out ways,
whether that be plant based, a psychedelic, or anything else
that can help people, not just veterans, suffering from addiction
and trauma.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And you know, the early.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Results of this are pretty good, so I look forward
to hopefully some more good returns on it. Thank you
for sharing your time with us. Brian Hubbard.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
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