December 16, 2025 • 32 mins
Michael Berry sits down with retired Green Beret and physician Dr. Pete “Doc” Chambers to discuss his run for governor, why he believes Texas needs bold leadership, and his plan to secure the border and protect freedoms.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Verie Show is on the air, not ruining my point.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Have you seen a restaurant I guess it's in Houston
that the name starts with an R. It's a name
apostrophe s Cajun Cafe. It has two z's in it
and two and an A starts with an R A
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and then it has a zz and then there's two
vowels apostrophe s Cajun Cafe. Have you seen that? Okay, well,
they're logo. I've never been there, but apparently they've gone
under or they're selling or whatever else. Their logo looks
to me like it says Razi's because the second Z
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of the RAS goes through the two o's to make
it look exactly like an E. But then the article
below says that it's Razu and they're in bankruptcy. Have
you heard of this Razoo's Cajun Cafe? Okay, well, apparently
the parent company of tex mex restaurant me Cosina. Have
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you been there? Where are these places? I've never been
to any of these places. A Dallas Hospitality Group might
be the timely savior for a Texas restaurant chain that
declared bankruptcy a few months ago. Court documents show m crowd,
the parent company of tex Mex restaurant chain me Cosina,
has emerged as the stalking horse bidder for Razu's Cajun Cafe,
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with an offer valued at around eighteen point eight million dollars. Humm. Parently,
they offered to buy out Razus from Chapter eleven bankruptcy
through a credit bid. So I'm guessing they're just assuming
their debt. I don't know. Razus reported twenty locations and
one thousand employees in its original petition. Oh here's where
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they are, all right. They're in Corpus Christi on Staple Street,
They're in Pasadena on Sam Houston Parkway, and they're in
Oklahoma City. They've officially closed three locations. I don't know.
Pasadena location had already closed. The other two are still
operating in Stafford and Spring. You know what. That's why
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I recognize their logo. I think they're on the fountains,
you know, right across from the RCC on fifty nine.
If you're headed toward sugar Land, there's the fountains. Right there.
There's a what is uh dominic Dominic. Uh gosh talking
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what is the name of his restaurant, Lorenzo's uh Roland
and Dominic me you, I'm talking about Dominic. Lorenzo named
Fuzz's grandson. They have a restaurant that has that teal
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blue what is that called me los? Uh No? No, no,
they have the Lorenzo's, but then they have the they
have the one on Washington L Tempo. Yeah, okay, so
there's an l tempo there. And then there used to
be a live music venue and I a piff chains.
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Oh there was a Kim song. That's exactly right. Yeah,
that's exactly right. I don't know how that's done since then,
Jennifer says, hey, thanks for keeping up. I've been here
for four years. Okay, Well that's I don't like to
rush into anything, you know, Jennifer, I want to know
you've been there for a while before we announce it
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on the air and make it official. Oh my god,
I've been here for four years. Five to seven on
the air and seven to nine we stream on KHOU
eleven plus. No, she didn't say anything about you, but
she you could tell it was between the lines. She
was like, by the way, I bet Ramon will be
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a good right tackle or tight end or something. You know,
that might have been what she was thinking. Yeah, maybe,
I don't know. Five to seven on the air, seven
to nine we stream what I'm just curious, what is
KHO you streaming? That's better than putting? Putting on TV?
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That's better than Jennifer Rain Seriously, Well, what I'm not
I'm not insulting somebody else because I don't know. I
would like to know that a news director said, let's
put Jennifer five to seven and then seven and nine,
we'll move her over to the stream and put what.
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I just I can't imagine why you would do that.
I cannot imagine that. Well, you may have seen because
a number of you forwarded it to me that podcaster
Sean Ryan is clapping back at Dan Crenshaw. Crenshaw sending
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a cease and assist letter to Sean Ryan, saying that
he will sue Sean Ryan if Sean Ryan makes reference
to him as Sean Ryan alleged insider trading again, and
Sean Ryan said, no, I'm not backing down. I'm not apologizing.
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I am, as Sean Ryan says, going to tell the
story of what I believe to be the case, and
he made a point that the message Dan Crenshaw sent him,
how about I have some of my Seal Team six
guys or whatever else. Sean Ryan said he felt that
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that was an attempt to intimidate him by making reference
to Seal Team six somehow. I don't know getting involved.
I will admit it seems like an odd thing to say.
If you, as a congressman, don't like the fact that
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another Navy seal is criticizing the way you are conducting
yourself as a congressman, and you make reference to Seal
Team six, I don't know what your intention is. But
when Sean Ryan says I took that as a threat
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an attempt to intimidate, I don't think that's a stretch.
I don't think anybody out there is saying, oh Sean,
grow a set, Oh Sean, you're overreacting. Oh Sean, you're
creating a media moment. I think most people would look
at that and say that is a reasonable interpretation of
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the message you have sent. I don't know that Seal
Team six was in any way involved in the criticism
Sean Ryan had of Dan Crenshaw. The criticism was he's
talking to Tulsey Gabbard and he says, hey, how does
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this He never mentioned Dan Crenshaw, by the way, How
these people have all this money to throw these big
parties and do all these lavish things. And Crenshaw then well,
and Michael, competition is a good thing. It is good
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to be reminded that we don't have kings. No literally,
forget some left wing protest. We've had governors serve a
long time in the state of Texas. Starting in nineteen
ninety four. You had George W. Bush who served until
he ran for and was elected president. You had Rick Perry,
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who served a long period of time, and since then
we've had Greg Abbott. It's very hard to dislodge a
sitting Texas governor, especially one like Abbot, who spends all
his time raising money and never actually taking a position,
which leaves people who actually care about policy very angry.
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But we all know that's the slim minority. Low information
voters go by a sense of how someone is doing,
and as long as they're not embroiled in any controversy,
they just kind of keep plugging along. But we deserve better.
I'd say Ron DeSantis is a much better governor than
Greg Abbott. I think a lot of folks and it
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would be a series of movement. The successionists, a constitutionalists,
the Tea Party folks and people that want a secure
border and people that want better policy would say in
Texas they're disappointed in Greg Abbott. I hear that daily.
A number of folks have asked me to interview doctor
Pete Chambers, known as Doc, retired US Army Lieutenant colonel,
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Special Forces green beret and a physician. They have described
him as a defender of freedom, as more in touch
with the values of folks who believe in the concepts
of freedom and the Tea Party. I've had a number
of listeners ask that we talk to Doc Chambers, and
(10:17):
now we will. Doc Chambers, welcome to the program. It's
good to me, or and Michael is Doc. How most
people that know you and like you resser to you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
That's a that's a term of endearment you get on
the battlefield, and it kind of stuck. So it's been
with me for a while.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And what about people who don't like you? What do
they call you? Late for dinner? All right, so let's
start with let's introduce you to our audience and just
to a great extent me, I know what materials our
team pulled together. But let's start with where you were born,
the time of day or the hospital your childhood, the
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thorough the thorough bio of who Doc Chambers.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well, luckily for those listening, we actually posted everything on
the website so we would dispel all the you know,
why weren't why weren't you born in Texas rumors? I
was born in Missouri, Kirkspille. My dad was a doctor
and he was in med school and I actually never
set foot in the state walking, but so shortly after
he did residency and I ended up my home rerecords Oklahoma,
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so just across the Red River. But I've been in
Texas since nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Wait a minute, Sarah Fryer was born in As, she says, Missouri.
Did y'all know each other? No?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Okay, No, I.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Didn't know who everybody on the Zura knew each other.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
No. I didn't meet anybody there except for my mom
and dad.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
All right, So then, so then how did you end
up in Texas?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Right? Well, I came down to Texas to do residency
after my medical school. I went to University of New
England and graduated in ninety five, finished the internship in
ninety seven, and then eighty seven I came to Beaumont,
went to Port Arthur, worked in a couple of hospitals,
three hostels down there. University of North Texas has a
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program down there that primary care, and my intent was
to go back in the military to be a primary
care doc in the army. I already had served once before,
nineteen eighty three to nineteen ninety as an infantry guy
and nothing special, just to enlist a guy that learned
how to dig holes and carry our ruckstack. But after that,
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nine to eleven happened, and then I went back on
active duty, and that's how we'd go down range and
we would get it done pretty quick. I can come
back and set up a family practice or a house
call business. Unfortunately, we just spent the last twenty years
going back and forth to the sandbox. So that changed
my life.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Talk about that, I think that's a pretty profound experience,
and it sounds like we share a lot of the
same views as to the length of time our nation
spent there, particularly guys like you. How did that change you?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Oh, it changed a lot, you know, being a guy
that I came in under Ronald Reagan. You know, it
was my first president I served under, and completely you know,
focused on you know, within white blue America, mild gad
apple pie, and that is that is rightly. So. I
was patriot. My dad was a patriot World War two guy.
But something happened along the way where I realized, we're
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not here fighting a war to defend our soil. We're
over here doing somebody else's bidding. And as a soldier,
it's not my business to change policy. I can't. I
follow orders. And then I loved my troops, and so
I stayed on and extended past my you know, I
could have retired at twenty years, but I went in
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and stayed and then twenty fifteen my last deployment, twenty fourteen,
probably my worst one down range. I just you kind
of lose your edge after a while. And it war
is insanity, that's tangible. That's the way I tell people.
And it's it's an ugly business. And it's just unless
it's on our shores and it's a declared war, which
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it was not a declared war. Our sons and daughters
don't need to be at harm's way for those for
those types of actions for that period of time, without
somebody in Washington, DC, or even in the governors that
allow their National Guard units to be deployed on a
non declared war. Somebody needs to stand up, you know,
on the other side of it and say, hey, wait
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a minute, what are we really doing here? Because we
saw the debacle what happened while we left there and
left all that equipment, And of course to me, it's
it's about the equipment. But that was just the knife
in the back, if you will. So I'm I'm not disgruntled.
I have a son going in the military.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I'm just I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I find a hard time, I find a hard reason
to say was it worth it? But I believe it
was worth it for us that were on the ground
because we truly learned what the virtues of honor, prestige
and the spree de corps really mean, what patriotism really means,
because they fight for each other and definitely for those
back home. But we weren't looking at somebody trying to launch,
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you know, boats onto the shores of the US proper.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Right, It's a whole money for just a moment doctor
Chambers is running for governor against Greg Abbott. He's our
guests don't want to hear it, He'll just go ahead
and say it. Sorry. The Michael Berry Show. Doctor Pete Chambers,
known as Doc Chambers those who know him, retired US
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Army Lieutenant colonel's Special Forces green Beret and a physician.
He's running for governor. He is our guest.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Doc.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Let's first start with we talked a little bit about
your bio, and we'll get back to that. But in
order to run for an office where the incumbent is
running again, you have to believe you'll do a better
job than them. What is Greg Abbott not doing that
you will do better?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, sir, Well, he's not producing anything he said he's
going to do over the last eleven years. And and
you know, from the citizens out there that really don't
pay attention to security on the border, we'll get to
that he's promised them, you know, decreasing taxes. Now, you
know the tax code is written in a very byzantine
labyrinth code. I've I've gone through with teams now Texans
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that care and they're out here talking to me in
different different avenues, the different angles of it. And really,
even though he can claim that it's you know, it's
not from the state level, it's the local level. The
conditions that he sets at the state level do allow
for the second and don't order effects of what's happened
over eleven years, which has increased taxes. So you know,
that's that's straight up for me. That's that's a part
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of security. It's a fiscal security. But what I saw,
what I learned during the COVID mission when we when
I was sent to the Governor's Task Force to be
the liaison, watching the amount of money wasted in the
and the really for for something that's just the common
cold with a with a you know, ain't a function
added to it. It was it became a bio weapon.
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But uh, you know, really the way that the state
handled it was very poor. A lot of a lot
of freedoms were taken away. Uh, and it just and
we followed, you know, of course the Governor. I trusted
him at the time I worked in the in the
task Force, but then the things that I learned afterwards
and then watching it unfold, especially when I served on
Operational Loan Star when the mandates came and our sons
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and daughters of Texas were forced to take the shots.
I stood in the gap and said no, and they
finally Senate General down there played this game of rock
paper rank with me and he won. I was a
lieutenant colonel. But he lost ultimately because he said, you're
not giving enough people shots. And I said, I'm doing
informed consensor and we helped line and then I testified
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in a D O D case on it. We got
the shot. Mandates dropped, but it took you know, losing
a career over it, essentially paying benefits for me as
a lieutenant colonel on the border. You know that was
That's a fight worth having. So I know these things.
I've seen what's come across the border. I know we're
sitting in the throes of a color revolution in this country,
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which is insidious. People don't see it, most people, like
you said, uninformed voters. But those of us that understand it.
And when I would put my study on this thing
talking to General Flynn, Coral West other people and said
should I run, they said, you should absolutely run. We
need somebody to know that will at least force the
function up until the time of the primary. Take the
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primary and then fix the problem set. So that's the difference.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It is very unhealthy for sitting politicians not to be challenged.
You know, the reigning super Bowl champion or World Series
champion does not begin the next season without having scrimmages,
without having competition, without challenging yourself, iron sharpens iron. I
think it is very healthy. And I think Greg Abbott,
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of all people, has grown extraordinarily arrogant and out of touch.
And I think that your message is one that will resonate.
The challenge becomes interviews like this help, but the challenge
becomes that Abbott sitting on a stockpile of cash that
of course he will spend to tell people that he's
done what he hasn't and hasn't done what he has.
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But your challenge, I suppose, is just getting out and
talking to enough voters. And from what I hear, you
are hitting the hustings pretty hard.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Who we are, Yeah, voice is a little rough, fifteen
days in a row. This is my first day off,
so but we're going to continue it again. This is
like a deployment downrange. Just nobody's shooting at us with bullets.
It's more verbal, you know, you get the pun ins
that don't like you, and I get it. I'm willing
to take the shots. But we've got to push it,
like I said, all the way to the primary day,
and keep pushing and forcing the function of truth because
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we are seeing some knee jerk reactions and that's good.
That's bringing it to light. And you know, he needed
one point five million votes in an off cycle primary
to win. So we'll bring him under Arthur Mopoley battlefield
and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
What do you hear the most of when you're out
on the trail. What are people most frustrated about, most seeking,
most looking for?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Most of them and many of them are like me.
I know, second go around for Abbot. I trusted him.
But they're just saying, but why why is he doing this?
They want me to answer why has he not done
what he said he's going to do? And I can't
defend him. I can only say, well that there's a
lot of reasons why politicians don't do things, and a
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lot of reasons why they promise. But I would have
to be speculating to otherwise do that. But that is
the biggest thing is they're heartbroken. Many that loved him
are heartbroken. And some of them are mad at him.
And I straight up see that in the cinemon analysis,
he's sitting in a one ut poll at thirty favorability
rating around thirty two. So you know that that tells
me that that people that do look into these things,
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and more and more are that do this to their homework,
are waking up to just like the COVID thing. Remember that,
right the country went under Stockholm syndrome for a while,
they fell in love with their captors and they gave
them their freedoms back. In order to win us to
come out of a scenario Stockholm syndrome, you've got to
have little victories. And this could be a little victory.
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It may not be. You know, I'm not going to
talk negative. I'm going to talk about winning a race.
But up until the time of the primary, we are
forcing the little victories, and those each and every day
when I see people that jump on our task forces,
are our commissions and help us, I see victory in
their eyes because they feel like they're doing something and
they're forcing the function.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I operate under the theory that the people should not
fear the politicians. The politicians should fear the people and
when politicians feel that they have an unchecked power either
to do nothing or to go too far, and Abbott
has done both, and it gets healthy for people to
have an outlet for that rage and an opportunity to
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fix it. So I don't know that you can win
or lose. I don't know that anybody can. I do
think it is a very very valiant effort you are undertaking,
and I think it's important that you do it. Let
me ask you. You say on your website, which is
Docpete Chambers dot org, or you can just google his name.
Says Texas first always he'll secure our border. Talk about that,
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yeaes sir.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
So the border. There's an optic versus reality that took
place on the border. It seemed like I know, I
know through different sources that I dealt with directly, that
the problem sometimes get pushed to the right. Never you know,
you've heard this before. Never let a good crisis go
to waste. So a lot of money comes in from
the federal government, it gets pushed to the right on
the timeline, and things are things slow down. Trump came in,
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He put a tourniquet on the border. The flow is decreased,
that's a good thing, but we still got a thousand
tiny cuts, so we're dealing with those. And so when
I know what, I know, the amount of any enemy
combatants that are straight up in this country, we have
to secure that. We have to do more than just
strongly worded letters and making a declaration of foreign terrorist
organization without actually putting, you know, teeth into it. So
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there has to be teeth into it. Because I'm looking
at Colony Ridge and flew over it the other day
and again to get a follow up on that in
Ayras County, I'm sorry, in Liberty County, and that places,
you know, grown to one hundred and fifty thousand people
on the estimate. We'll get the numbers as we do
our homework. Here. You've got sharia law in Dallas. It
wasn't here, you know, when I came back to Texas.
So we have to get really some teeth in this
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thing if we're serious about securing the border. And there
are other ideas that are very you know, technique's tactics
and practices I wouldn't talk about, but I would not
be an optic I assure you of that, and I
would give the authorities as do by the Article four,
Section and seven Texas Constitution, which says the governor can
attend the date.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Doc Cold on just a moment. Pete Chambers is a
physician known as Doc for those who love him. Retired
US Army Lieutenant colonel candidate for governor of the Great
State of Texas. He's our guest on the show. Yeah,
Texas is a big state. It's hard to run statewide.
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You've got to have a lot of money and a
lot of energy. You got big media markets Houston, Dallas,
West Texas, Austin, San antonin South Texas, East Texas. The
Houston market alone is bigger than some states. When you're
running statewide in Idaho or Vermont, it's easier than running
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just in Houston alone. Add to that all the other markets.
I didn't even mention the Panhandle. It's tough, and when
you've got a sitting governor who's sitting on a pile
of cash, it's an uphill battle. But these battles have
to be fought for the sake of our state. Doc Peters,
Doc Peters Dock Chambers, Pete Doc Chambers, because he's a doctor,
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is our guest. On your website, it says Texas first
and always defend parental rights. What does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
All right? Well, this, this is uh, this is one
of the things I noticed, especially with referendums that come
out in propositions that uh basically are asking the government
to give us permission to have the right to raise
our children. And it's really the way. The devil is
always in the details, right, and when you look at
the not just a little blurb that they give you
when you go across the boat, uh, you know, and
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it sounds really good, but when you look at the details,
and the devil's in the details, because of course I
think sometimes the devil lives in Austin. But what I
what I see is, uh, we've got to hold the
line there. These are enumerated rights inherent in the people,
as the uh as the article long, section two says
in the Texas schottus and and it is it is
not endoubted by uh, you know, the governor. It's now
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by the creator. And so that is uh. I hold
the line firmly on that. I believe that people have
uh you know, we don't. We don't need to, like
I said, genuflect to receive those rights.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
You talk about parental rights. You talk about medical rights
in a reference to that. As a physician, I get
to sense that that you share. I don't want to
put words in your mouth, but my views and maybe
those of Mary Tally Boden. You worked through as a
professional the COVID era, where I think a lot of
people lost trust and faith and respect for what we're
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called the experts. Your thoughts on.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
That, sure is, there were four whistleblowers and the whole
of the Department of Defense, and I was one of them.
At Ron Johnson gave us whistleblower protection. I put and
put quotes around that word protection. There still lots of
subversive things happened, But I've testified in a in a case,
a federal case Fields versus Deoda, to guard those freedoms
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that they are. They have medical freedom regarding fate. They
didn't want to take it because of what was in
the shots. But it goes further than that. It is
it is not only by regulation, but it is it
is just the hippocratic oath and everything that is. You
know that we've learned about that we do do no harm,
first of all, physician, do no harm. We cannot we
cannot take that choice away from the patient. But we
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also must any intervention must come with an informed consent,
which means the good and the bad and the ugly
of that. So when I studied it, and look, I'm
just the guy that stopped bleeding on the battlefield, I'm
really good at it. I'm a flight surgeon for the
Green Rice, been deployed in combat several times, so I
will say I'm very good at that. But I'm not
an immnologist and no orphiologist, but I can learn really quickly.
And when I got down to their border and I'm
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taking care of these soldiers, men and women of Texas,
and they are falling out because they took shots already.
And then you know, first case, twenty seven year old
Miro card I, a second case stroke guy took two
years to get rehab his voice. I had to stand
in the gap and say, no, muss right, no more.
So I went to my chain of command, went to
the task for a commander, went to the governor's office,
went to the State Adjutant General's office, and it was crickets.
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You know, there was a a congressman that you were
talking about from Houston earlier. Where's a pat I went
to his office, same thing. Crickets. So it took us
out of state, the Senator to come to Texas Aid
with all dispatch in the words of William Barrett, and say, hey,
testify on this, and we're you know, we're going to
go after this. And we did and we won. And
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now the Secretary Offense says it's on law order. Now,
Mary Tally Bonan, you talk about great friend. I'm gonna
put her in charge. You know, we make it through this,
She'll be in charge of the Texas Medical Board, and
there will maybe nobody on the board. It gives exorbitant
campaign donations to this governor, because that's the fact that
every one of them that sits there right now. So
perhaps even abolishing, because I'm a decentralizing kind of guy,
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amolishing the text medical Board. Her pat agreeds actions, I.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Think there are. I think that they're dealings with regard
to her reveal a number of things, the problems with
that board and also her sense of keihatik willingness to
fight against no matter what the stakes. You know, she
could have easily tucked tail and walked off and left
that alone. They picked the wrong fight in her that
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is a tough, tough lady. I just checked while you
were talking to make sure there were six Missourians at
the Alamo. In cases you were wondering, you probably already
knew that. So where do we go from here? We
will talk again before the election. I wanted people to
have an opportunity to get to know a little bit
about you. I've got about two minutes left. I'm sure
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you have what we call the elevator speech to donors
and to rallies. Why don't you take that time and
I'll just cut you off and we get to the
break and we'll talk again before the election.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Okay, Sure, it's great talking to you. So you know,
Paul Hall taught me that's a senator in Texas. She
taught me, think of the horse you nail. Your vote counts.
We need every vote in this off cycle election. So
just take a horse youmail for a lot of a nail.
A horse was lost, a shoe was lost. The loss
of a shoe, a horse was lost, lost the horse
or writer than a battle, then a war was lost Texas.
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I need every one of you to get up, get
to Doc Pee Chambers dot org and get on a
team and help us out. We're taking volunteers every day
to help write policy, to help be on task forces.
And again, thank you Michael Berry for having me on
and we'll talk to.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Answer sounds good, good luck out there. It's a big state.
But God bless you. I've heard from a number of
people who wanted to hear from you and uh, and
we'll make sure that you are heard from again before
this election. Keep up the good work. Thank you for
your service to this country. We need good people to
run for office, we really do. And I'll tell you
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it is Uh. It's a tough tough thing to do
because people are going to criticize your motivations. They're going
to criticize whatever you're most proud of. They're going to
criticize your appearance. They're going to criticize the way you
wear your hair or the cut of your jib or
whatever else. And the establishment doesn't like change. Once they
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get their guy that they know his entire staff and
they know that he owes them. Change is anathema to
the political process. They like stability, not great representation, not
effectiveness in government. Whatever your industry, whatever your lobbying practice,
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you like the devil you know there is what is
known as a friendly incumbent rule, whereas most packs and
trade organizations they won't look at a challenger. They want
the guy they know first of all. Because let's take
a case like this, if you're running against the governor
and there's a trade association between now and March, they
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may have something that years before the governor and they
want the governor to be friendly about it, so of
course they're going to support the governor. It is a
tough thing to do, to challenge politicians. It is disruptive,
but as we have seen in the tech space and
the oil and gas space, and the communications space, and
trans transportation space and healthcare space, disruption, while it creates
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discontent and discomfort, it's necessary
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Verie Show is on the air, not ruining my point.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Have you seen a restaurant I guess it's in Houston
that the name starts with an R. It's a name
apostrophe s Cajun Cafe. It has two z's in it
and two and an A starts with an R A
(00:51):
and then it has a zz and then there's two
vowels apostrophe s Cajun Cafe. Have you seen that? Okay, well,
they're logo. I've never been there, but apparently they've gone
under or they're selling or whatever else. Their logo looks
to me like it says Razi's because the second Z
(01:15):
of the RAS goes through the two o's to make
it look exactly like an E. But then the article
below says that it's Razu and they're in bankruptcy. Have
you heard of this Razoo's Cajun Cafe? Okay, well, apparently
the parent company of tex mex restaurant me Cosina. Have
(01:38):
you been there? Where are these places? I've never been
to any of these places. A Dallas Hospitality Group might
be the timely savior for a Texas restaurant chain that
declared bankruptcy a few months ago. Court documents show m crowd,
the parent company of tex Mex restaurant chain me Cosina,
has emerged as the stalking horse bidder for Razu's Cajun Cafe,
(02:03):
with an offer valued at around eighteen point eight million dollars. Humm. Parently,
they offered to buy out Razus from Chapter eleven bankruptcy
through a credit bid. So I'm guessing they're just assuming
their debt. I don't know. Razus reported twenty locations and
one thousand employees in its original petition. Oh here's where
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they are, all right. They're in Corpus Christi on Staple Street,
They're in Pasadena on Sam Houston Parkway, and they're in
Oklahoma City. They've officially closed three locations. I don't know.
Pasadena location had already closed. The other two are still
operating in Stafford and Spring. You know what. That's why
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I recognize their logo. I think they're on the fountains,
you know, right across from the RCC on fifty nine.
If you're headed toward sugar Land, there's the fountains. Right there.
There's a what is uh dominic Dominic. Uh gosh talking
(03:08):
what is the name of his restaurant, Lorenzo's uh Roland
and Dominic me you, I'm talking about Dominic. Lorenzo named
Fuzz's grandson. They have a restaurant that has that teal
(03:29):
blue what is that called me los? Uh No? No, no,
they have the Lorenzo's, but then they have the they
have the one on Washington L Tempo. Yeah, okay, so
there's an l tempo there. And then there used to
be a live music venue and I a piff chains.
(03:51):
Oh there was a Kim song. That's exactly right. Yeah,
that's exactly right. I don't know how that's done since then,
Jennifer says, hey, thanks for keeping up. I've been here
for four years. Okay, Well that's I don't like to
rush into anything, you know, Jennifer, I want to know
you've been there for a while before we announce it
(04:12):
on the air and make it official. Oh my god,
I've been here for four years. Five to seven on
the air and seven to nine we stream on KHOU
eleven plus. No, she didn't say anything about you, but
she you could tell it was between the lines. She
was like, by the way, I bet Ramon will be
(04:35):
a good right tackle or tight end or something. You know,
that might have been what she was thinking. Yeah, maybe,
I don't know. Five to seven on the air, seven
to nine we stream what I'm just curious, what is
KHO you streaming? That's better than putting? Putting on TV?
(04:58):
That's better than Jennifer Rain Seriously, Well, what I'm not
I'm not insulting somebody else because I don't know. I
would like to know that a news director said, let's
put Jennifer five to seven and then seven and nine,
we'll move her over to the stream and put what.
(05:23):
I just I can't imagine why you would do that.
I cannot imagine that. Well, you may have seen because
a number of you forwarded it to me that podcaster
Sean Ryan is clapping back at Dan Crenshaw. Crenshaw sending
(05:49):
a cease and assist letter to Sean Ryan, saying that
he will sue Sean Ryan if Sean Ryan makes reference
to him as Sean Ryan alleged insider trading again, and
Sean Ryan said, no, I'm not backing down. I'm not apologizing.
(06:15):
I am, as Sean Ryan says, going to tell the
story of what I believe to be the case, and
he made a point that the message Dan Crenshaw sent him,
how about I have some of my Seal Team six
guys or whatever else. Sean Ryan said he felt that
(06:36):
that was an attempt to intimidate him by making reference
to Seal Team six somehow. I don't know getting involved.
I will admit it seems like an odd thing to say.
If you, as a congressman, don't like the fact that
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another Navy seal is criticizing the way you are conducting
yourself as a congressman, and you make reference to Seal
Team six, I don't know what your intention is. But
when Sean Ryan says I took that as a threat
(07:18):
an attempt to intimidate, I don't think that's a stretch.
I don't think anybody out there is saying, oh Sean,
grow a set, Oh Sean, you're overreacting. Oh Sean, you're
creating a media moment. I think most people would look
at that and say that is a reasonable interpretation of
(07:43):
the message you have sent. I don't know that Seal
Team six was in any way involved in the criticism
Sean Ryan had of Dan Crenshaw. The criticism was he's
talking to Tulsey Gabbard and he says, hey, how does
(08:04):
this He never mentioned Dan Crenshaw, by the way, How
these people have all this money to throw these big
parties and do all these lavish things. And Crenshaw then well,
and Michael, competition is a good thing. It is good
(08:31):
to be reminded that we don't have kings. No literally,
forget some left wing protest. We've had governors serve a
long time in the state of Texas. Starting in nineteen
ninety four. You had George W. Bush who served until
he ran for and was elected president. You had Rick Perry,
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who served a long period of time, and since then
we've had Greg Abbott. It's very hard to dislodge a
sitting Texas governor, especially one like Abbot, who spends all
his time raising money and never actually taking a position,
which leaves people who actually care about policy very angry.
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But we all know that's the slim minority. Low information
voters go by a sense of how someone is doing,
and as long as they're not embroiled in any controversy,
they just kind of keep plugging along. But we deserve better.
I'd say Ron DeSantis is a much better governor than
Greg Abbott. I think a lot of folks and it
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would be a series of movement. The successionists, a constitutionalists,
the Tea Party folks and people that want a secure
border and people that want better policy would say in
Texas they're disappointed in Greg Abbott. I hear that daily.
A number of folks have asked me to interview doctor
Pete Chambers, known as Doc, retired US Army Lieutenant colonel,
(09:57):
Special Forces green beret and a physician. They have described
him as a defender of freedom, as more in touch
with the values of folks who believe in the concepts
of freedom and the Tea Party. I've had a number
of listeners ask that we talk to Doc Chambers, and
(10:17):
now we will. Doc Chambers, welcome to the program. It's
good to me, or and Michael is Doc. How most
people that know you and like you resser to you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
That's a that's a term of endearment you get on
the battlefield, and it kind of stuck. So it's been
with me for a while.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And what about people who don't like you? What do
they call you? Late for dinner? All right, so let's
start with let's introduce you to our audience and just
to a great extent me, I know what materials our
team pulled together. But let's start with where you were born,
the time of day or the hospital your childhood, the
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thorough the thorough bio of who Doc Chambers.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well, luckily for those listening, we actually posted everything on
the website so we would dispel all the you know,
why weren't why weren't you born in Texas rumors? I
was born in Missouri, Kirkspille. My dad was a doctor
and he was in med school and I actually never
set foot in the state walking, but so shortly after
he did residency and I ended up my home rerecords Oklahoma,
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so just across the Red River. But I've been in
Texas since nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Wait a minute, Sarah Fryer was born in As, she says, Missouri.
Did y'all know each other? No?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Okay, No, I.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Didn't know who everybody on the Zura knew each other.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
No. I didn't meet anybody there except for my mom
and dad.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
All right, So then, so then how did you end
up in Texas?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Right? Well, I came down to Texas to do residency
after my medical school. I went to University of New
England and graduated in ninety five, finished the internship in
ninety seven, and then eighty seven I came to Beaumont,
went to Port Arthur, worked in a couple of hospitals,
three hostels down there. University of North Texas has a
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program down there that primary care, and my intent was
to go back in the military to be a primary
care doc in the army. I already had served once before,
nineteen eighty three to nineteen ninety as an infantry guy
and nothing special, just to enlist a guy that learned
how to dig holes and carry our ruckstack. But after that,
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nine to eleven happened, and then I went back on
active duty, and that's how we'd go down range and
we would get it done pretty quick. I can come
back and set up a family practice or a house
call business. Unfortunately, we just spent the last twenty years
going back and forth to the sandbox. So that changed
my life.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Talk about that, I think that's a pretty profound experience,
and it sounds like we share a lot of the
same views as to the length of time our nation
spent there, particularly guys like you. How did that change you?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Oh, it changed a lot, you know, being a guy
that I came in under Ronald Reagan. You know, it
was my first president I served under, and completely you know,
focused on you know, within white blue America, mild gad
apple pie, and that is that is rightly. So. I
was patriot. My dad was a patriot World War two guy.
But something happened along the way where I realized, we're
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not here fighting a war to defend our soil. We're
over here doing somebody else's bidding. And as a soldier,
it's not my business to change policy. I can't. I
follow orders. And then I loved my troops, and so
I stayed on and extended past my you know, I
could have retired at twenty years, but I went in
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and stayed and then twenty fifteen my last deployment, twenty fourteen,
probably my worst one down range. I just you kind
of lose your edge after a while. And it war
is insanity, that's tangible. That's the way I tell people.
And it's it's an ugly business. And it's just unless
it's on our shores and it's a declared war, which
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it was not a declared war. Our sons and daughters
don't need to be at harm's way for those for
those types of actions for that period of time, without
somebody in Washington, DC, or even in the governors that
allow their National Guard units to be deployed on a
non declared war. Somebody needs to stand up, you know,
on the other side of it and say, hey, wait
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a minute, what are we really doing here? Because we
saw the debacle what happened while we left there and
left all that equipment, And of course to me, it's
it's about the equipment. But that was just the knife
in the back, if you will. So I'm I'm not disgruntled.
I have a son going in the military.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I'm just I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I find a hard time, I find a hard reason
to say was it worth it? But I believe it
was worth it for us that were on the ground
because we truly learned what the virtues of honor, prestige
and the spree de corps really mean, what patriotism really means,
because they fight for each other and definitely for those
back home. But we weren't looking at somebody trying to launch,
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you know, boats onto the shores of the US proper.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Right, It's a whole money for just a moment doctor
Chambers is running for governor against Greg Abbott. He's our
guests don't want to hear it, He'll just go ahead
and say it. Sorry. The Michael Berry Show. Doctor Pete Chambers,
known as Doc Chambers those who know him, retired US
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Army Lieutenant colonel's Special Forces green Beret and a physician.
He's running for governor. He is our guest.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Doc.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Let's first start with we talked a little bit about
your bio, and we'll get back to that. But in
order to run for an office where the incumbent is
running again, you have to believe you'll do a better
job than them. What is Greg Abbott not doing that
you will do better?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, sir, Well, he's not producing anything he said he's
going to do over the last eleven years. And and
you know, from the citizens out there that really don't
pay attention to security on the border, we'll get to
that he's promised them, you know, decreasing taxes. Now, you
know the tax code is written in a very byzantine
labyrinth code. I've I've gone through with teams now Texans
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that care and they're out here talking to me in
different different avenues, the different angles of it. And really,
even though he can claim that it's you know, it's
not from the state level, it's the local level. The
conditions that he sets at the state level do allow
for the second and don't order effects of what's happened
over eleven years, which has increased taxes. So you know,
that's that's straight up for me. That's that's a part
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of security. It's a fiscal security. But what I saw,
what I learned during the COVID mission when we when
I was sent to the Governor's Task Force to be
the liaison, watching the amount of money wasted in the
and the really for for something that's just the common
cold with a with a you know, ain't a function
added to it. It was it became a bio weapon.
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But uh, you know, really the way that the state
handled it was very poor. A lot of a lot
of freedoms were taken away. Uh, and it just and
we followed, you know, of course the Governor. I trusted
him at the time I worked in the in the
task Force, but then the things that I learned afterwards
and then watching it unfold, especially when I served on
Operational Loan Star when the mandates came and our sons
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and daughters of Texas were forced to take the shots.
I stood in the gap and said no, and they
finally Senate General down there played this game of rock
paper rank with me and he won. I was a
lieutenant colonel. But he lost ultimately because he said, you're
not giving enough people shots. And I said, I'm doing
informed consensor and we helped line and then I testified
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in a D O D case on it. We got
the shot. Mandates dropped, but it took you know, losing
a career over it, essentially paying benefits for me as
a lieutenant colonel on the border. You know that was
That's a fight worth having. So I know these things.
I've seen what's come across the border. I know we're
sitting in the throes of a color revolution in this country,
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which is insidious. People don't see it, most people, like
you said, uninformed voters. But those of us that understand it.
And when I would put my study on this thing
talking to General Flynn, Coral West other people and said
should I run, they said, you should absolutely run. We
need somebody to know that will at least force the
function up until the time of the primary. Take the
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primary and then fix the problem set. So that's the difference.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It is very unhealthy for sitting politicians not to be challenged.
You know, the reigning super Bowl champion or World Series
champion does not begin the next season without having scrimmages,
without having competition, without challenging yourself, iron sharpens iron. I
think it is very healthy. And I think Greg Abbott,
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of all people, has grown extraordinarily arrogant and out of touch.
And I think that your message is one that will resonate.
The challenge becomes interviews like this help, but the challenge
becomes that Abbott sitting on a stockpile of cash that
of course he will spend to tell people that he's
done what he hasn't and hasn't done what he has.
(19:17):
But your challenge, I suppose, is just getting out and
talking to enough voters. And from what I hear, you
are hitting the hustings pretty hard.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Who we are, Yeah, voice is a little rough, fifteen
days in a row. This is my first day off,
so but we're going to continue it again. This is
like a deployment downrange. Just nobody's shooting at us with bullets.
It's more verbal, you know, you get the pun ins
that don't like you, and I get it. I'm willing
to take the shots. But we've got to push it,
like I said, all the way to the primary day,
and keep pushing and forcing the function of truth because
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we are seeing some knee jerk reactions and that's good.
That's bringing it to light. And you know, he needed
one point five million votes in an off cycle primary
to win. So we'll bring him under Arthur Mopoley battlefield
and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
What do you hear the most of when you're out
on the trail. What are people most frustrated about, most seeking,
most looking for?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Most of them and many of them are like me.
I know, second go around for Abbot. I trusted him.
But they're just saying, but why why is he doing this?
They want me to answer why has he not done
what he said he's going to do? And I can't
defend him. I can only say, well that there's a
lot of reasons why politicians don't do things, and a
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lot of reasons why they promise. But I would have
to be speculating to otherwise do that. But that is
the biggest thing is they're heartbroken. Many that loved him
are heartbroken. And some of them are mad at him.
And I straight up see that in the cinemon analysis,
he's sitting in a one ut poll at thirty favorability
rating around thirty two. So you know that that tells
me that that people that do look into these things,
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and more and more are that do this to their homework,
are waking up to just like the COVID thing. Remember that,
right the country went under Stockholm syndrome for a while,
they fell in love with their captors and they gave
them their freedoms back. In order to win us to
come out of a scenario Stockholm syndrome, you've got to
have little victories. And this could be a little victory.
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It may not be. You know, I'm not going to
talk negative. I'm going to talk about winning a race.
But up until the time of the primary, we are
forcing the little victories, and those each and every day
when I see people that jump on our task forces,
are our commissions and help us, I see victory in
their eyes because they feel like they're doing something and
they're forcing the function.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I operate under the theory that the people should not
fear the politicians. The politicians should fear the people and
when politicians feel that they have an unchecked power either
to do nothing or to go too far, and Abbott
has done both, and it gets healthy for people to
have an outlet for that rage and an opportunity to
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fix it. So I don't know that you can win
or lose. I don't know that anybody can. I do
think it is a very very valiant effort you are undertaking,
and I think it's important that you do it. Let
me ask you. You say on your website, which is
Docpete Chambers dot org, or you can just google his name.
Says Texas first always he'll secure our border. Talk about that,
(22:18):
yeaes sir.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
So the border. There's an optic versus reality that took
place on the border. It seemed like I know, I
know through different sources that I dealt with directly, that
the problem sometimes get pushed to the right. Never you know,
you've heard this before. Never let a good crisis go
to waste. So a lot of money comes in from
the federal government, it gets pushed to the right on
the timeline, and things are things slow down. Trump came in,
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He put a tourniquet on the border. The flow is decreased,
that's a good thing, but we still got a thousand
tiny cuts, so we're dealing with those. And so when
I know what, I know, the amount of any enemy
combatants that are straight up in this country, we have
to secure that. We have to do more than just
strongly worded letters and making a declaration of foreign terrorist
organization without actually putting, you know, teeth into it. So
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there has to be teeth into it. Because I'm looking
at Colony Ridge and flew over it the other day
and again to get a follow up on that in
Ayras County, I'm sorry, in Liberty County, and that places,
you know, grown to one hundred and fifty thousand people
on the estimate. We'll get the numbers as we do
our homework. Here. You've got sharia law in Dallas. It
wasn't here, you know, when I came back to Texas.
So we have to get really some teeth in this
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thing if we're serious about securing the border. And there
are other ideas that are very you know, technique's tactics
and practices I wouldn't talk about, but I would not
be an optic I assure you of that, and I
would give the authorities as do by the Article four,
Section and seven Texas Constitution, which says the governor can
attend the date.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Doc Cold on just a moment. Pete Chambers is a
physician known as Doc for those who love him. Retired
US Army Lieutenant colonel candidate for governor of the Great
State of Texas. He's our guest on the show. Yeah,
Texas is a big state. It's hard to run statewide.
(24:13):
You've got to have a lot of money and a
lot of energy. You got big media markets Houston, Dallas,
West Texas, Austin, San antonin South Texas, East Texas. The
Houston market alone is bigger than some states. When you're
running statewide in Idaho or Vermont, it's easier than running
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just in Houston alone. Add to that all the other markets.
I didn't even mention the Panhandle. It's tough, and when
you've got a sitting governor who's sitting on a pile
of cash, it's an uphill battle. But these battles have
to be fought for the sake of our state. Doc Peters,
Doc Peters Dock Chambers, Pete Doc Chambers, because he's a doctor,
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is our guest. On your website, it says Texas first
and always defend parental rights. What does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
All right? Well, this, this is uh, this is one
of the things I noticed, especially with referendums that come
out in propositions that uh basically are asking the government
to give us permission to have the right to raise
our children. And it's really the way. The devil is
always in the details, right, and when you look at
the not just a little blurb that they give you
when you go across the boat, uh, you know, and
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it sounds really good, but when you look at the details,
and the devil's in the details, because of course I
think sometimes the devil lives in Austin. But what I
what I see is, uh, we've got to hold the
line there. These are enumerated rights inherent in the people,
as the uh as the article long, section two says
in the Texas schottus and and it is it is
not endoubted by uh, you know, the governor. It's now
(25:52):
by the creator. And so that is uh. I hold
the line firmly on that. I believe that people have
uh you know, we don't. We don't need to, like
I said, genuflect to receive those rights.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
You talk about parental rights. You talk about medical rights
in a reference to that. As a physician, I get
to sense that that you share. I don't want to
put words in your mouth, but my views and maybe
those of Mary Tally Boden. You worked through as a
professional the COVID era, where I think a lot of
people lost trust and faith and respect for what we're
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called the experts. Your thoughts on.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
That, sure is, there were four whistleblowers and the whole
of the Department of Defense, and I was one of them.
At Ron Johnson gave us whistleblower protection. I put and
put quotes around that word protection. There still lots of
subversive things happened, But I've testified in a in a case,
a federal case Fields versus Deoda, to guard those freedoms
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that they are. They have medical freedom regarding fate. They
didn't want to take it because of what was in
the shots. But it goes further than that. It is
it is not only by regulation, but it is it
is just the hippocratic oath and everything that is. You
know that we've learned about that we do do no harm,
first of all, physician, do no harm. We cannot we
cannot take that choice away from the patient. But we
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also must any intervention must come with an informed consent,
which means the good and the bad and the ugly
of that. So when I studied it, and look, I'm
just the guy that stopped bleeding on the battlefield, I'm
really good at it. I'm a flight surgeon for the
Green Rice, been deployed in combat several times, so I
will say I'm very good at that. But I'm not
an immnologist and no orphiologist, but I can learn really quickly.
And when I got down to their border and I'm
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taking care of these soldiers, men and women of Texas,
and they are falling out because they took shots already.
And then you know, first case, twenty seven year old
Miro card I, a second case stroke guy took two
years to get rehab his voice. I had to stand
in the gap and say, no, muss right, no more.
So I went to my chain of command, went to
the task for a commander, went to the governor's office,
went to the State Adjutant General's office, and it was crickets.
(27:59):
You know, there was a a congressman that you were
talking about from Houston earlier. Where's a pat I went
to his office, same thing. Crickets. So it took us
out of state, the Senator to come to Texas Aid
with all dispatch in the words of William Barrett, and say, hey,
testify on this, and we're you know, we're going to
go after this. And we did and we won. And
(28:20):
now the Secretary Offense says it's on law order. Now,
Mary Tally Bonan, you talk about great friend. I'm gonna
put her in charge. You know, we make it through this,
She'll be in charge of the Texas Medical Board, and
there will maybe nobody on the board. It gives exorbitant
campaign donations to this governor, because that's the fact that
every one of them that sits there right now. So
perhaps even abolishing, because I'm a decentralizing kind of guy,
(28:42):
amolishing the text medical Board. Her pat agreeds actions, I.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Think there are. I think that they're dealings with regard
to her reveal a number of things, the problems with
that board and also her sense of keihatik willingness to
fight against no matter what the stakes. You know, she
could have easily tucked tail and walked off and left
that alone. They picked the wrong fight in her that
(29:11):
is a tough, tough lady. I just checked while you
were talking to make sure there were six Missourians at
the Alamo. In cases you were wondering, you probably already
knew that. So where do we go from here? We
will talk again before the election. I wanted people to
have an opportunity to get to know a little bit
about you. I've got about two minutes left. I'm sure
(29:33):
you have what we call the elevator speech to donors
and to rallies. Why don't you take that time and
I'll just cut you off and we get to the
break and we'll talk again before the election.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Okay, Sure, it's great talking to you. So you know,
Paul Hall taught me that's a senator in Texas. She
taught me, think of the horse you nail. Your vote counts.
We need every vote in this off cycle election. So
just take a horse youmail for a lot of a nail.
A horse was lost, a shoe was lost. The loss
of a shoe, a horse was lost, lost the horse
or writer than a battle, then a war was lost Texas.
(30:05):
I need every one of you to get up, get
to Doc Pee Chambers dot org and get on a
team and help us out. We're taking volunteers every day
to help write policy, to help be on task forces.
And again, thank you Michael Berry for having me on
and we'll talk to.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Answer sounds good, good luck out there. It's a big state.
But God bless you. I've heard from a number of
people who wanted to hear from you and uh, and
we'll make sure that you are heard from again before
this election. Keep up the good work. Thank you for
your service to this country. We need good people to
run for office, we really do. And I'll tell you
(30:41):
it is Uh. It's a tough tough thing to do
because people are going to criticize your motivations. They're going
to criticize whatever you're most proud of. They're going to
criticize your appearance. They're going to criticize the way you
wear your hair or the cut of your jib or
whatever else. And the establishment doesn't like change. Once they
(31:09):
get their guy that they know his entire staff and
they know that he owes them. Change is anathema to
the political process. They like stability, not great representation, not
effectiveness in government. Whatever your industry, whatever your lobbying practice,
(31:35):
you like the devil you know there is what is
known as a friendly incumbent rule, whereas most packs and
trade organizations they won't look at a challenger. They want
the guy they know first of all. Because let's take
a case like this, if you're running against the governor
and there's a trade association between now and March, they
(31:59):
may have something that years before the governor and they
want the governor to be friendly about it, so of
course they're going to support the governor. It is a
tough thing to do, to challenge politicians. It is disruptive,
but as we have seen in the tech space and
the oil and gas space, and the communications space, and
trans transportation space and healthcare space, disruption, while it creates
(32:21):
discontent and discomfort, it's necessary
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