December 22, 2025 • 33 mins
From attacks on Christianity to TikTok chaos, political hypocrisy, and the untold story of January 6, this is the straight‑shooting commentary you won’t hear anywhere else.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm going to prepare to offend a number of folks
with what I'm about to say, and I want to
make sure you understand before you email me. I'm okay
that you're offended. Okay, I'm okay if I tell you
I think Earl Campbell's the greatest running back in the
history of the NFL. Because I love my love you Blue,
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and you say that's offensive. I love Walter Payton or
OJ Simpson or Jim Brown or whoever that might very Sanders,
whoever that might be. I didn't say that expecting you
to like what I.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Had to say.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You tuned in, and you should hope. I'm honest. If
you never disagree with the opinion of a host and
you listen to them every day, I got.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
News for you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
If two people always agree, one of them is not necessary.
And I got more news for you. If you never
disagree with a single person, I mean, with a host
on a single issue, and you think that is an
endorsement of how great they are, it's not. That is
a sign that they are reading the wind. They are
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reading the tea leaves. They are telling you what you
want to hear. So I will tell you this. I
believe that there is an attack coordinated not necessarily across
the religions, but by other religions against Christians in this country.
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I believe that, and I believe it comes from people
feeling left out if we talk about Christ or the
Bible and our faith because they're not part of it. Well,
guess what if I find out at the spetzel Fest
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in Texas that they've been doing polka dancing last weekend
and maybe I wasn't invited, I don't get my feelings hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's what they do.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
If in a public gathering people want to celebrate their family,
their tradition, their alma mater, even though I'm not part
of any of those, That's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'm a big boy.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And in a pluralistic society, which is what everybody claims
they want.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So you don't have these problems in China.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You don't have these problems in Japan where you have
complete homogeneity, You've got complete dominance by a single race culture.
And what little bit you look at the Wigers in China,
the Muslims, and how the China, how the problems they've
had there.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
But I want to get back to the point here.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
When I'm appreciative that the President has taken up this issue,
and I am tired of people who I think agree
with him but are too chicken to say it publicly.
If you feel the need to say, hey, if you're
Jewish and offended, Hey if you're Muslim and offended. Hey
if you're Atheist and offended. Hey if you're Hindu and offended.
I hope you're not offended, But why are you worried
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whether they're offended? Do you believe what you believe only
as long as no one else is offended. So if
you're spending more time worried about offending people who believe
in the supremacy of their God.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Then you do.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Practicing and expressing your own faith, then maybe they are
bigger believers than you are. It is not your job
to coddle those who do not share your beliefs. We
don't murder others for not sharing our beliefs. Do you
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think there are any other religions in the world who do.
We don't rape the women of those who do not
share our beliefs. When we conquer their lands or defeat
them on the battlefield. We worship our God in our way. Now,
there are a number of Christians. See when Christians are
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in the majority, they're very guilt ridden. They're not comfortable
with this, kind of like the Republicans. They don't like
to be in power. They'd rather be out of power.
We are better when persecuted. But when you hear people
say President Trump shouldn't talk about the Christians faith, that's
a violation of church and state. If you ever learn
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anything from me ever, in the time that you listen
for one year or one hundred, let it be this.
Everything you know about the separation of church and state
is wrong. Of the ten commandments the first and they're
laid out in Exodus twenty and Deuteronomy. I think it's
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four five Deuteronomy five. The first commandment, thou shalt have
no other gods before me. Well, you're a white supremacist. No,
I am not a white supremacist in the sense that
I'm trying to subjugate other people. But am I proud
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of my people? Am I proud of people who look
like me? Am I proud of my heritage? Am I
proud of the culture?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I am, and your attempt to make me ashamed of
it that works on other people, not on me. But
here is let me get to this quickly. The idea
of the separation of church and state did not mean
that the church will not be involved in the state.
It meant that the state will not be involved in
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the church. And what happened is that the King of
England was having problems in his marriage, couldn't get what
he wanted from the pope. So he declared, I'm the
King of the Church of England, my own church.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Pope begone.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I'll issue the rulings, I'll issue the indulgences in charge
for him.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So here is.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist and they
were worried about this. And he says, believing with you
that religion is a matter which lies solely between man
and his God, that he owes account to none other
for his faith or his worship. That the legitimate powers
of government reach actions only and not opinions. I contemplate
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with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people
which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting
an establishment of religion. Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,
thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
What he is saying is that Congress that in our
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founding documents. In that founding document, we said, Congress shall
make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Congress shall
not determine who is and isn't a Christian, or a Jew,
or a Hindu or Muslim. Congress shall make no laws
relating to that, nor shall Congress prohibit the free expression thereof.
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You are free to worship how wherever you worship, and
government shall not get in the way. But just as
every other organization APAC, the NRA, the Farmers Association, the
Church is more than able to be a part of
our government, and our founding documents have Christian biblical statements
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all over.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Be not a shamed Christians any law. The Michael Dairies
show continues.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
The owner of a New Jersey spa is arrested for
running a brothel out of the business. Yeah, I just
you want to understand the spa is not technically supposed
to be a brothel. It's just supposed to be a spa.
Because you might have caught yourself thinking when I thought
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they were the same thing. But that's not why the
story is going viral. A bust of a spa that's
really a brothel, it's not national news. The reason the
story has gone viral is that the owner's name is
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s n first name, b A N G last name.
The fella's name is Souon Bang. Go see Soon Bang?
How long will it take?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Soon Bang? Take care of you fast.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
In addition to that, the woman arrested for prostitution at
the spa is sixty seven years old. Soon Bang sixty
three is the owner of the Oasis Spa spa in Denville,
New Jersey, and he's been arrested accused of promoting prostitution
of his business. You Shoon Lee, sixty seven, is accused
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of engaging in sexual activity for money at the establishment.
According to North Jersey dot Com, the Denville Police Department
executed a search warrant at the Oasis Spa and at
Bang's Fairview residence. A large quantity of US currency was
found in Popo say it is indicative of prostitution. Bang
was charged on a summons complaint with third degree promoting prostitution,
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second degree money laundering, and the disorderly person's offense of
engaging with prostitution. Yushoon Lee was also charged by summons
complaint with the disorderly person's offense of engaging with prostitution.
We here at the Michael Barry Show have exclusive undercover
audio of sixty seven year old Yushun Lee negotiating with
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the client.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Hey, you got your friend field.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Not just this minute?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, wow baby, me so honey, Me so honey, keep
lying me love you all the time.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
You comme.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Yeah, we like.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
Party when you are much.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Fifteen dolls fifteen dollars you.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Long time and wells me so horny?
Speaker 8 (11:11):
You ate between doll to Bookoo five dollars Ee me
lucky very much.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
My god, so my mom.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Allows me to spad okay, ten dollars each.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
What do we get for ten dollars?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Every thing?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
You walk?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Everything at me too. It's funny what leads to prostitution
in different parts of the country. In New Jersey, it
could be a pedicure. In Ohio, it's ice fishing.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
The mayor of the City of Hudson is in the
spotlight for saying ice fishing could lead to prostitution. That
comment was made during a discussion and allowing residents to
ice fish on Hudson and Springs Lake.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Our lydia Espara has reaction.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
If you live in northeast Ohio, ice fishing is this
park is snowboarding. Hudson resident Michael Whittaker has been fishing
in this hole his entire life and didn't notice the
sign that recently went up.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I've been forever like there's like this is a this
is my spot, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
He told our Carl Bachtel.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
He wrote city council to ask white was banned, and
he was surprised at Hudson's Mayor Craig Schubert's comments about
the topic that even had the fish flipping.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And if you then allow ice fishing with shanties, then
that leads to another problem, prostitution.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
A comment so shocking that even Council President Chris Foster's
face tells the story that this could be a fishtail.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Now you got the police chief, the police Department of
Vault and I see you laughing already.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Well, I yes, and I shouldn't laugh when people bring
concerns up.
Speaker 8 (12:53):
Kate Chedelman is word one council person and she says,
this is not the first time the mayor has made controversial.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
States, what has he said before?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
We actually last fall he went to a school board
meeting and demanded the resignation of five school board members
because the prompts being used in a creative writing class
were considered pornography.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Settleman says the comments led to death threats to several
board members, and this one has now gone viral. Whitaker
isn't taking the bait. He knows ice fishing can be dangerous.
You fish at your own risk, but the sport is
worth fighting.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
For it because it's addicting.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
There's no reason that it should be this fun to
catch four inch bluegill through an eight inch hole.
Speaker 8 (13:34):
And the mayor should reel in his comments that ice
fishing and shanties lead to prostitution.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Well, go out there to get away from women. Some
of us I don't know.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
Man Lydia Spara three News.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
If only Soon Bang had filmed you, Shoon Lee sixty
seven years old and her clients, if only he had
filmed them and sold the film, it wouldn't have been prostituted.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh, Chris, you can't always believe what you hear.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
For example, everybody thinks that prostitution is illegal, but there
are always around it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
All right, let's do it tooth.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
If you were under arrest for prostitution, it's not prostitution.
You paid her to have sex. No, I paid her
to have sex and we're filming it, so technically it's
not prostitution. It's a porno. Oh well, as long as
you're filming and selling it, it's legal. Enjoy your day. Remember, kids,
she's not if she's an actress. The fellow's name is
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Souon bang Man. How perfect was that? Maybe his parents
had forethought or.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Maybe soon Bang means something there that it just doesn't
mean here, but it translates beautifully.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Asian names. You gotta love them. Remember those Asian pilots
who crashed the plane.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
You have new information now. Also on the plane crash,
k TV has just learned the names of the the
four pilots who are on board the flight. They are
Captain some Ting Wong we Too, Low, Ho Lee Fuk
and Bang.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Dang al In.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
The NTSB has confirmed these are the names of the
pilots on board flight two fourteen when it crashed. We
are working to determine exactly what roles each of them
played during the landing on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
It was confirmed. It was confirmed. They had confirmed the names.
That's true, they had confirmed the names. It was all
a prank from an intern and he pulled it off.
That guy would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Every time I hear those names, I laugh at a
different one, and then and then it hits. You wait
a second, the four names are as they're going down,
and then they hit, and then you realize the absolute
genius of the telling of the story through the names.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Do it again, remo, you have new information now.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Also on the plane crash KTV is just learn the
names of the four pilots who are on board the flight.
They are Captain, some Ting, Wong, we too Low, and
bang ding Out. The NTSB has confirmed these show.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I don't do TikTok, so I don't know if this
is true or not, but I'm going to read it
because I thought it was well written. And for those
of you who are on there, you can tell me
if it's true or not.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Chris writes Tzar.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Somewhere between the gas station Beggar and the board suburban
wife too timid for only fans. A new breed of
hustler has emerged, wrapped in filters fake tears and desperate
pleas for digital roses. Welcome to TikTok Live, where the
currency is attention, the hustle is emotional manipulation, and Daddy
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she that's the leader of China gets his cut from
every gift scent.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
This isn't content.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It's high gloss panhandling performed not on a street corner
but from a ring lit bedroom, disguised as entertainment but
driven by the same shameless grind. You're not tipping a creator.
You're enabling a dopamine fueled dance of desperation and feeding
a machine that launders your sympathy into profit, all under
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the watchful eye of the CCP. There's no hustle like
the sympathy hustle. Watch long enough and you'll see it all.
Grown adults fake crying over made up rent emergencies, moms
with their tits barely out, winding about daycare bills. Dudes
with three thousand followers begging for a galaxy so they
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can eat tonight.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Spare me. What we're watching isn't hardship.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It's monetized emotional cosplay, spoon fed to viewers like pixelated meth.
And the worst part it works because this isn't a
platform anymore. It's a global digital swap meet for validation.
Starved grifters run out of Beijing. The algorithm doesn't care
about truth. It rewards whatever gets the most taps, the
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most pity tips, the most people whispering oh my god,
are they okay in the comments while chucking coins at
the screen. And for every one hundred dollars in roses,
lions and whatever the hell else, TikTok Live is slinging Daddy.
She scrapes a chunk off the top and thanks you
for your support of Chinese tech imperialism.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Let's call this what it is, a bastardized.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Blend of panhandling, cam girl desperation and black mirror social theater,
except now the pimp is a Communist party stakeholder. Gone
are the days of earning your keep. Just boot up
your life. I slap on a SOB story and beg
for your dinner with sparkly filters and emoji tears. Got
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a disability, perfect, exploit it? Mental health issues even better,
break down on camera and rake it in. Lost your job,
cry for ten minutes, fake a power outage and call
it content. This is not about connection. It's about commodified despair,
and if you're not exploiting your own suffering yet.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
You're leaving money on the table.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Meanwhile, the viewers, the suckers, keep feeding the beast because
sending a virtual lion makes them feel like philanthropists without
the inconvenience of actual generosity. You're not donating, you're paying
to be emotionally manipulated in real time by someone who
treats victimhood like a side hustle. Congrats, you just funded
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someone's vape pen and made the CCP a little richer
in the process. And if you dare question the whole
rotten charade, get ready for the mob. Don't judge, they'll
scream as if this isn't judgment season twenty four to
seven on the very app. They're defending they're just trying
to survive. Yeah, so are people working twelve hour shifts
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without shaking their tits for tips or faking seizures on
live stream. We've reached a point where dignity is optional
and desperation is marketable, so long as you've got a
good ring light in a sad face. Street corners used
to be the bottom. Now it's TikTok live, where American
dignity is sold in thirty second loops and streams straight
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to Beijing like oil through a pipeline. The real horror,
We're not even shocked anymore. We scroll past it like
it's just another day in clown world. A man pretending
to be an NPC for money. Cute, A single mom
dancing while her kid cries off screen. Brave, a teenager
with visible scars whispering. Tap the screen if you care relatable.
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This isn't just sad, it's cultural decay and ten ADP
live streamed and monetized by the minute. And let's not
forget TikTok doesn't just allow this, it engineers it. The
same algorithm that silences political dissent, that buries anything remotely
critical of China or the CCP actively boosts videos where
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Americans look weak, desperate, and dysfunctional. Why Because nothing says
global dominance like having your geopolitical rivals youth dancing, begging
and trauma dumping.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
For your profit.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
This is warfare by humiliation, and the foot soldiers are
doing it voluntarily for clout, for sympathy, for scraps. The creators,
their addicts, not to substances, but to attention, validation, and
the steady drip of coins that trickle in with every
emoji reaction. TikTok doesn't build influencers, It builds dependents. People
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so wrapped in their own sob story personas they forget
where the performance ends in reality begins and the audience.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
You're not better, you're complicit.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
You watch, you engage, You gift not because you care,
but because you're bored, because parasocial pity gives you a rush.
Because this is your entertainment now, watching people unravel in
real time and calling it empathy and beneath it all, Daddy,
she smiles, because TikTok is the most successful social trojan
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horse ever deployed. No need to hack American infrastructure when
you can rode its culture from within, No need to
fight a war when you can make your adversary willingly
humiliate itself in public. Well started as lip syncing and
dance trends, has devolved into a digital freak show, a
marketplace of manipulated sadness where the house always wins and
the house just happens to be in Beijing. This isn't entertainment,
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This is cultural rot packaged as content a panhandling circus
with ring lights instead of corners, and filters instead of TikTok.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Lives aren't just cringed.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
They're a sign that we've sold our dignity for coins
on an app owned by a regime that thrives on
our collapse. Every gift, every rose, every galaxy is proof
that America is not just losing its edge, it's losing
its pride. It's amazing to me that China is our
mortal enemy. They thwart our efforts everywhere we discover a
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new Chinese spy in the highest ranks of our top
secret research, the military, or our government, seemingly weakly.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And yet what do we do? What do we do?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Are we so addicted to cheap crap that we are
willing to empower of people who hate us? Why do
we allow any Chinese researchers to come to this country
when so many had been outed as spies? How many
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people remember in Houston that at the consulate, once it
was discovered they were stealing medical records from the Houston
Medical Center as to how we were dealing with COVID,
seemingly so they could morph the disease to kill more
of us, but their motives will will agree to disagree over.
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Once it was discovered that they were stealing our intellectual
property and a raid was eminent, they opened the internal
courtyard and set a funeral power there and dumped all
the documents into it. Remember there was smoke everywhere. They
were burning documents in Houston, Texas. They had solen from
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our medical center.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Good gree. These people are our enemy. This is.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I know, what's the name to say, Michael buddy. There
are certain things from history that you don't just say, well,
that's history and move on. The Holocaust would be one
such example. The coronavirus and the quote unquote vaccine and
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the mandatory jabs and the lives lost, the lockdowns. These
are things you don't simply move on from. You learn from.
But before you can learn from them, you have to
you have to face painful realities, and you have to
pick at a wound that a lot of people want
to move on from. That's not how you progress. George
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Santana famously said, those who do not learn the lessons
of history.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Are doomed to repeat them.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Often, the very people who want to quote move on
don't want to bear responsibility for what happened. Nick Saban
and other coaches will tell you that some of the
most important coaching you do of a team is not
during the team, during the game, but after the game,
when you come in and watch that painful game film
and you see what you did that you hope nobody noticed,
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and how you.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Failed here and came up short there.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It is very important that we go back and understand
what happened on January sixth of twenty twenty one. It's
important that we understand what happened and not be told
what happened by those with an agenda, but that we
do our own research and we ask questions of various people.
One of the most important voices in all of that
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who has seemingly been silenced officially is Stephen sund who
was the Capitol Police Chief at that time on that day,
and he's our guest chief.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Welcome.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Thank you very much for having me on. Michael.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Let's start with how you ended up the Capitol Police
chief leave January sixth aside, I think you were a
Metro Police pice officer in DC before that. Talk about
your career. Why did you get into law enforcement? Jeff
Family in it and then just walked me through your
whole career there.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Absolutely, I mean get the sorts succinctly as possible.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I started twenty five years with the DC Police and
I got into policing because my dad had actually gotten
sick early early on. He had got lakimia. Here's a
B fifty two pilot. He had been sick for a
number of years, but passed away when I was sixteen.
So after we got back from the funeral, we just
have to be visited by two friends of ours that
we used to live with right nearby California that became
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Fremont Police officers Carolyn brad Brown meaning still stay in
touch today. They had reached out and came to visit.
This was the same day that we had buried my dad,
and as a young sixteen year old, as a very
pivotal part of my life, I looked at and said,
you know what I think, I know what I want
to do, and at from that point on I was pursuing.
Right around twenty three, I applied to the couple different departments,
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but DC Police picked me up. Started there right around
twenty five. By the time I went into the academy,
got out and patrolled as an officer and what they
call the sixth District, which is Antacostia, one of the
most violent parts of Washington. D C. Was there for
a couple of years. Made sergeant, went to seventy, which
is also one of the most violent parts in Anacostia,
South Anacostia, down by South Capitol Street Congress Heights. Patrolled
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there for a little bit and then started rising up
through the ranks. Became a lieutenant and then I got
a signed downtown for a little bit and went to
Special Operations Division, where I kind of stayed from lieutenant
on doing all the major events, major demonstrations in Washington.
D C. Made Captain inspector, being commander of the Special
Operations Division from twenty ten to twenty fifteen, and that's
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when I retired. At the end of the very last day,
December thirty first, twenty fifteen, I retired. We had the
Pope come visit in October, and I figured that it's
a good time to head out. Went out and you know,
kind of worked a little bit in the private sector
for just about eight months, and then the House and
Senate Sergeant Arms approached me to come over and become
the assistant chief of Operations for Capitol Police and January seventh.
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I started in twenty seventeen, started at the US Capitol
Police just a few days before Trump's inauguration, and I'd
been involved in It's probably my fifth or sixth inauguration
I've been involved in planning of so they brought me
in right before that and was there, and then in
May became the May of twenty nineteen, became the chief
and started revamping a lot of operations and capabilities, and
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then January sixth happened and I was removed from the
position the very next day by Spear Pelosi. And I'm
sure our conversation is going to cover a couple of
things along.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
There, absolutely, but before that, let's set in place our
procedure so we know the context within which we're working.
I was with Senator Cruz at an event in Milwaukee
a few years ago, and he had a large contingent
of Capitol Police, and I learned that those are a
sign based on kind of death threats, and it's all
on the screen, as you know. And it turns out
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he was getting more death threats and than Pelosi and
every other member of Congress combined, and it was kind
of interesting to me that that was you know that
that unlike the president, which is kind of you know,
designated secret service for the president. It was sort of
where is the threat right now? It might be Jasmine
Crockett on Monday, it might be Ted Cruz on on Thursday,
or whoever that might be. But talk to me about
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how the capital police chief is hired and to whom
they report in take orders.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Okay, and you're you're you're absolutely right about what you
just you just mentioned. We do statutory security details for
the leadership, the four on the House and the Senate side,
and then others based on the threat. So you're a
sure right there. So the Capitol police chief, and it's interesting,
it's not like any other police chief in the country.
I report to a Capitol Police Board. They're the one
that hire and fire me. Uh we'll get into that too.
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They're the ones that really have the hiring authority, but
they only do it with the approval of Senate leadership
and House leadershi of h So when I was first hired,
you had let's see, Schumer was over on the for
the chief's position. The humor was over on the Senate
side and Pelos who was on the House side, and
they both had to approve my hiring for the position.
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So you go through, and what's interesting to understand is
the Capitol Police Board is made up of four individuals,
the House and Senate Sergeant Arms, who are considered to
be the lead law enforcement agent for the House and
for the for the and one for the Senate. So
when you think of the chief as the top law
enforcement official for the legislative branch, I'm sorry. When you
think of the chief as top law enforcement official for
the legislative branch, that's not the case. The Senate and
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the House Starge Arms actually are are above me. The
third person in the Capitol Police Board is the architect
of the Capitol, and then the fourth person is the
chief of Police. The three people that are politically appointed,
the House and Senate Sarge Arms, the or Extecut and
the Capitol all have a vote on how things go
for the Capitol Police and they covered They control everything
from some schedules, which doors we cover, which equipment we
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can use. If I want to get my officer's tasers,
I had to go to the Capitol Police Board and
get approval and I had to go to my oversight
Committe and get aproval for them. If I wanted to,
like deploy fencing, I got to go to the Capitol
Police Board if I want to everything, pretty much all
operations has to be approved by the Capitol of Base Boards.
That just gives you a little bit of an idea
what I'm dealing with. No, Yeah, as the chief, it's
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very political. It's very political because they the House and
Senate Sergeant arms who carry mostly weight, don't want to
do anything that's going to upset their congressional leader. So
we may be having a hearing on the Supreme Court
justice being nominated, and I want to put up certain offencing. Well,
one side they want no fencing put up so protesters
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can come in, you know, proms or you know. The
other side they want to shut down all the buildings
in public entry so we don't have That's.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Going to be a good segue into our next discussion point.
Our guest is Steven Sund who was the Chief of
police of the Capitol Police on January sixth, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That fateful day.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Will talk about his perspective, which I bet you haven't heard,
and may be surprised by coming up
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm going to prepare to offend a number of folks
with what I'm about to say, and I want to
make sure you understand before you email me. I'm okay
that you're offended. Okay, I'm okay if I tell you
I think Earl Campbell's the greatest running back in the
history of the NFL. Because I love my love you Blue,
(00:45):
and you say that's offensive. I love Walter Payton or
OJ Simpson or Jim Brown or whoever that might very Sanders,
whoever that might be. I didn't say that expecting you
to like what I.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Had to say.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
You tuned in, and you should hope. I'm honest. If
you never disagree with the opinion of a host and
you listen to them every day, I got.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
News for you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
If two people always agree, one of them is not necessary.
And I got more news for you. If you never
disagree with a single person, I mean, with a host
on a single issue, and you think that is an
endorsement of how great they are, it's not. That is
a sign that they are reading the wind. They are
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reading the tea leaves. They are telling you what you
want to hear. So I will tell you this. I
believe that there is an attack coordinated not necessarily across
the religions, but by other religions against Christians in this country.
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I believe that, and I believe it comes from people
feeling left out if we talk about Christ or the
Bible and our faith because they're not part of it. Well,
guess what if I find out at the spetzel Fest
(02:18):
in Texas that they've been doing polka dancing last weekend
and maybe I wasn't invited, I don't get my feelings hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's what they do.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
If in a public gathering people want to celebrate their family,
their tradition, their alma mater, even though I'm not part
of any of those, That's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'm a big boy.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And in a pluralistic society, which is what everybody claims
they want.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So you don't have these problems in China.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You don't have these problems in Japan where you have
complete homogeneity, You've got complete dominance by a single race culture.
And what little bit you look at the Wigers in China,
the Muslims, and how the China, how the problems they've
had there.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
But I want to get back to the point here.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
When I'm appreciative that the President has taken up this issue,
and I am tired of people who I think agree
with him but are too chicken to say it publicly.
If you feel the need to say, hey, if you're
Jewish and offended, Hey if you're Muslim and offended. Hey
if you're Atheist and offended. Hey if you're Hindu and offended.
I hope you're not offended, But why are you worried
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whether they're offended? Do you believe what you believe only
as long as no one else is offended. So if
you're spending more time worried about offending people who believe
in the supremacy of their God.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Then you do.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Practicing and expressing your own faith, then maybe they are
bigger believers than you are. It is not your job
to coddle those who do not share your beliefs. We
don't murder others for not sharing our beliefs. Do you
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think there are any other religions in the world who do.
We don't rape the women of those who do not
share our beliefs. When we conquer their lands or defeat
them on the battlefield. We worship our God in our way. Now,
there are a number of Christians. See when Christians are
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in the majority, they're very guilt ridden. They're not comfortable
with this, kind of like the Republicans. They don't like
to be in power. They'd rather be out of power.
We are better when persecuted. But when you hear people
say President Trump shouldn't talk about the Christians faith, that's
a violation of church and state. If you ever learn
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anything from me ever, in the time that you listen
for one year or one hundred, let it be this.
Everything you know about the separation of church and state
is wrong. Of the ten commandments the first and they're
laid out in Exodus twenty and Deuteronomy. I think it's
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four five Deuteronomy five. The first commandment, thou shalt have
no other gods before me. Well, you're a white supremacist. No,
I am not a white supremacist in the sense that
I'm trying to subjugate other people. But am I proud
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of my people? Am I proud of people who look
like me? Am I proud of my heritage? Am I
proud of the culture?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I am, and your attempt to make me ashamed of
it that works on other people, not on me. But
here is let me get to this quickly. The idea
of the separation of church and state did not mean
that the church will not be involved in the state.
It meant that the state will not be involved in
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the church. And what happened is that the King of
England was having problems in his marriage, couldn't get what
he wanted from the pope. So he declared, I'm the
King of the Church of England, my own church.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Pope begone.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I'll issue the rulings, I'll issue the indulgences in charge
for him.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So here is.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist and they
were worried about this. And he says, believing with you
that religion is a matter which lies solely between man
and his God, that he owes account to none other
for his faith or his worship. That the legitimate powers
of government reach actions only and not opinions. I contemplate
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with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people
which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting
an establishment of religion. Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,
thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
What he is saying is that Congress that in our
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founding documents. In that founding document, we said, Congress shall
make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Congress shall
not determine who is and isn't a Christian, or a Jew,
or a Hindu or Muslim. Congress shall make no laws
relating to that, nor shall Congress prohibit the free expression thereof.
(07:58):
You are free to worship how wherever you worship, and
government shall not get in the way. But just as
every other organization APAC, the NRA, the Farmers Association, the
Church is more than able to be a part of
our government, and our founding documents have Christian biblical statements
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all over.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Be not a shamed Christians any law. The Michael Dairies
show continues.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
The owner of a New Jersey spa is arrested for
running a brothel out of the business. Yeah, I just
you want to understand the spa is not technically supposed
to be a brothel. It's just supposed to be a spa.
Because you might have caught yourself thinking when I thought
(08:52):
they were the same thing. But that's not why the
story is going viral. A bust of a spa that's
really a brothel, it's not national news. The reason the
story has gone viral is that the owner's name is
(09:13):
s n first name, b A N G last name.
The fella's name is Souon Bang. Go see Soon Bang?
How long will it take?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Soon Bang? Take care of you fast.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
In addition to that, the woman arrested for prostitution at
the spa is sixty seven years old. Soon Bang sixty
three is the owner of the Oasis Spa spa in Denville,
New Jersey, and he's been arrested accused of promoting prostitution
of his business. You Shoon Lee, sixty seven, is accused
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of engaging in sexual activity for money at the establishment.
According to North Jersey dot Com, the Denville Police Department
executed a search warrant at the Oasis Spa and at
Bang's Fairview residence. A large quantity of US currency was
found in Popo say it is indicative of prostitution. Bang
was charged on a summons complaint with third degree promoting prostitution,
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second degree money laundering, and the disorderly person's offense of
engaging with prostitution. Yushoon Lee was also charged by summons
complaint with the disorderly person's offense of engaging with prostitution.
We here at the Michael Barry Show have exclusive undercover
audio of sixty seven year old Yushun Lee negotiating with
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the client.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Hey, you got your friend field.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Not just this minute?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, wow baby, me so honey, Me so honey, keep
lying me love you all the time.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
You comme.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Yeah, we like.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
Party when you are much.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Fifteen dolls fifteen dollars you.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Long time and wells me so horny?
Speaker 8 (11:11):
You ate between doll to Bookoo five dollars Ee me
lucky very much.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
My god, so my mom.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Allows me to spad okay, ten dollars each.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
What do we get for ten dollars?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Every thing?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
You walk?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Everything at me too. It's funny what leads to prostitution
in different parts of the country. In New Jersey, it
could be a pedicure. In Ohio, it's ice fishing.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
The mayor of the City of Hudson is in the
spotlight for saying ice fishing could lead to prostitution. That
comment was made during a discussion and allowing residents to
ice fish on Hudson and Springs Lake.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Our lydia Espara has reaction.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
If you live in northeast Ohio, ice fishing is this
park is snowboarding. Hudson resident Michael Whittaker has been fishing
in this hole his entire life and didn't notice the
sign that recently went up.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I've been forever like there's like this is a this
is my spot, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
He told our Carl Bachtel.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
He wrote city council to ask white was banned, and
he was surprised at Hudson's Mayor Craig Schubert's comments about
the topic that even had the fish flipping.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And if you then allow ice fishing with shanties, then
that leads to another problem, prostitution.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
A comment so shocking that even Council President Chris Foster's
face tells the story that this could be a fishtail.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Now you got the police chief, the police Department of
Vault and I see you laughing already.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Well, I yes, and I shouldn't laugh when people bring
concerns up.
Speaker 8 (12:53):
Kate Chedelman is word one council person and she says,
this is not the first time the mayor has made controversial.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
States, what has he said before?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
We actually last fall he went to a school board
meeting and demanded the resignation of five school board members
because the prompts being used in a creative writing class
were considered pornography.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
Settleman says the comments led to death threats to several
board members, and this one has now gone viral. Whitaker
isn't taking the bait. He knows ice fishing can be dangerous.
You fish at your own risk, but the sport is
worth fighting.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
For it because it's addicting.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
There's no reason that it should be this fun to
catch four inch bluegill through an eight inch hole.
Speaker 8 (13:34):
And the mayor should reel in his comments that ice
fishing and shanties lead to prostitution.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Well, go out there to get away from women. Some
of us I don't know.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
Man Lydia Spara three News.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
If only Soon Bang had filmed you, Shoon Lee sixty
seven years old and her clients, if only he had
filmed them and sold the film, it wouldn't have been prostituted.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh, Chris, you can't always believe what you hear.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
For example, everybody thinks that prostitution is illegal, but there
are always around it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
All right, let's do it tooth.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
If you were under arrest for prostitution, it's not prostitution.
You paid her to have sex. No, I paid her
to have sex and we're filming it, so technically it's
not prostitution. It's a porno. Oh well, as long as
you're filming and selling it, it's legal. Enjoy your day. Remember, kids,
she's not if she's an actress. The fellow's name is
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Souon bang Man. How perfect was that? Maybe his parents
had forethought or.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Maybe soon Bang means something there that it just doesn't
mean here, but it translates beautifully.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Asian names. You gotta love them. Remember those Asian pilots
who crashed the plane.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
You have new information now. Also on the plane crash,
k TV has just learned the names of the the
four pilots who are on board the flight. They are
Captain some Ting Wong we Too, Low, Ho Lee Fuk
and Bang.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Dang al In.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
The NTSB has confirmed these are the names of the
pilots on board flight two fourteen when it crashed. We
are working to determine exactly what roles each of them
played during the landing on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
It was confirmed. It was confirmed. They had confirmed the names.
That's true, they had confirmed the names. It was all
a prank from an intern and he pulled it off.
That guy would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Every time I hear those names, I laugh at a
different one, and then and then it hits. You wait
a second, the four names are as they're going down,
and then they hit, and then you realize the absolute
genius of the telling of the story through the names.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Do it again, remo, you have new information now.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Also on the plane crash KTV is just learn the
names of the four pilots who are on board the flight.
They are Captain, some Ting, Wong, we too Low, and
bang ding Out. The NTSB has confirmed these show.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I don't do TikTok, so I don't know if this
is true or not, but I'm going to read it
because I thought it was well written. And for those
of you who are on there, you can tell me
if it's true or not.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Chris writes Tzar.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Somewhere between the gas station Beggar and the board suburban
wife too timid for only fans. A new breed of
hustler has emerged, wrapped in filters fake tears and desperate
pleas for digital roses. Welcome to TikTok Live, where the
currency is attention, the hustle is emotional manipulation, and Daddy
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she that's the leader of China gets his cut from
every gift scent.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
This isn't content.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It's high gloss panhandling performed not on a street corner
but from a ring lit bedroom, disguised as entertainment but
driven by the same shameless grind. You're not tipping a creator.
You're enabling a dopamine fueled dance of desperation and feeding
a machine that launders your sympathy into profit, all under
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the watchful eye of the CCP. There's no hustle like
the sympathy hustle. Watch long enough and you'll see it all.
Grown adults fake crying over made up rent emergencies, moms
with their tits barely out, winding about daycare bills. Dudes
with three thousand followers begging for a galaxy so they
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can eat tonight.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Spare me. What we're watching isn't hardship.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It's monetized emotional cosplay, spoon fed to viewers like pixelated meth.
And the worst part it works because this isn't a
platform anymore. It's a global digital swap meet for validation.
Starved grifters run out of Beijing. The algorithm doesn't care
about truth. It rewards whatever gets the most taps, the
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most pity tips, the most people whispering oh my god,
are they okay in the comments while chucking coins at
the screen. And for every one hundred dollars in roses,
lions and whatever the hell else, TikTok Live is slinging Daddy.
She scrapes a chunk off the top and thanks you
for your support of Chinese tech imperialism.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Let's call this what it is, a bastardized.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Blend of panhandling, cam girl desperation and black mirror social theater,
except now the pimp is a Communist party stakeholder. Gone
are the days of earning your keep. Just boot up
your life. I slap on a SOB story and beg
for your dinner with sparkly filters and emoji tears. Got
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a disability, perfect, exploit it? Mental health issues even better,
break down on camera and rake it in. Lost your job,
cry for ten minutes, fake a power outage and call
it content. This is not about connection. It's about commodified despair,
and if you're not exploiting your own suffering yet.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
You're leaving money on the table.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Meanwhile, the viewers, the suckers, keep feeding the beast because
sending a virtual lion makes them feel like philanthropists without
the inconvenience of actual generosity. You're not donating, you're paying
to be emotionally manipulated in real time by someone who
treats victimhood like a side hustle. Congrats, you just funded
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someone's vape pen and made the CCP a little richer
in the process. And if you dare question the whole
rotten charade, get ready for the mob. Don't judge, they'll
scream as if this isn't judgment season twenty four to
seven on the very app. They're defending they're just trying
to survive. Yeah, so are people working twelve hour shifts
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without shaking their tits for tips or faking seizures on
live stream. We've reached a point where dignity is optional
and desperation is marketable, so long as you've got a
good ring light in a sad face. Street corners used
to be the bottom. Now it's TikTok live, where American
dignity is sold in thirty second loops and streams straight
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to Beijing like oil through a pipeline. The real horror,
We're not even shocked anymore. We scroll past it like
it's just another day in clown world. A man pretending
to be an NPC for money. Cute, A single mom
dancing while her kid cries off screen. Brave, a teenager
with visible scars whispering. Tap the screen if you care relatable.
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This isn't just sad, it's cultural decay and ten ADP
live streamed and monetized by the minute. And let's not
forget TikTok doesn't just allow this, it engineers it. The
same algorithm that silences political dissent, that buries anything remotely
critical of China or the CCP actively boosts videos where
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Americans look weak, desperate, and dysfunctional. Why Because nothing says
global dominance like having your geopolitical rivals youth dancing, begging
and trauma dumping.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
For your profit.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
This is warfare by humiliation, and the foot soldiers are
doing it voluntarily for clout, for sympathy, for scraps. The creators,
their addicts, not to substances, but to attention, validation, and
the steady drip of coins that trickle in with every
emoji reaction. TikTok doesn't build influencers, It builds dependents. People
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so wrapped in their own sob story personas they forget
where the performance ends in reality begins and the audience.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
You're not better, you're complicit.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
You watch, you engage, You gift not because you care,
but because you're bored, because parasocial pity gives you a rush.
Because this is your entertainment now, watching people unravel in
real time and calling it empathy and beneath it all, Daddy,
she smiles, because TikTok is the most successful social trojan
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horse ever deployed. No need to hack American infrastructure when
you can rode its culture from within, No need to
fight a war when you can make your adversary willingly
humiliate itself in public. Well started as lip syncing and
dance trends, has devolved into a digital freak show, a
marketplace of manipulated sadness where the house always wins and
the house just happens to be in Beijing. This isn't entertainment,
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This is cultural rot packaged as content a panhandling circus
with ring lights instead of corners, and filters instead of TikTok.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Lives aren't just cringed.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
They're a sign that we've sold our dignity for coins
on an app owned by a regime that thrives on
our collapse. Every gift, every rose, every galaxy is proof
that America is not just losing its edge, it's losing
its pride. It's amazing to me that China is our
mortal enemy. They thwart our efforts everywhere we discover a
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new Chinese spy in the highest ranks of our top
secret research, the military, or our government, seemingly weakly.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
And yet what do we do? What do we do?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Are we so addicted to cheap crap that we are
willing to empower of people who hate us? Why do
we allow any Chinese researchers to come to this country
when so many had been outed as spies? How many
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people remember in Houston that at the consulate, once it
was discovered they were stealing medical records from the Houston
Medical Center as to how we were dealing with COVID,
seemingly so they could morph the disease to kill more
of us, but their motives will will agree to disagree over.
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Once it was discovered that they were stealing our intellectual
property and a raid was eminent, they opened the internal
courtyard and set a funeral power there and dumped all
the documents into it. Remember there was smoke everywhere. They
were burning documents in Houston, Texas. They had solen from
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our medical center.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Good gree. These people are our enemy. This is.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I know, what's the name to say, Michael buddy. There
are certain things from history that you don't just say, well,
that's history and move on. The Holocaust would be one
such example. The coronavirus and the quote unquote vaccine and
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the mandatory jabs and the lives lost, the lockdowns. These
are things you don't simply move on from. You learn from.
But before you can learn from them, you have to
you have to face painful realities, and you have to
pick at a wound that a lot of people want
to move on from. That's not how you progress. George
(25:43):
Santana famously said, those who do not learn the lessons
of history.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Are doomed to repeat them.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Often, the very people who want to quote move on
don't want to bear responsibility for what happened. Nick Saban
and other coaches will tell you that some of the
most important coaching you do of a team is not
during the team, during the game, but after the game,
when you come in and watch that painful game film
and you see what you did that you hope nobody noticed,
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and how you.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Failed here and came up short there.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It is very important that we go back and understand
what happened on January sixth of twenty twenty one. It's
important that we understand what happened and not be told
what happened by those with an agenda, but that we
do our own research and we ask questions of various people.
One of the most important voices in all of that
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who has seemingly been silenced officially is Stephen sund who
was the Capitol Police Chief at that time on that day,
and he's our guest chief.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Welcome.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Thank you very much for having me on. Michael.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Let's start with how you ended up the Capitol Police
chief leave January sixth aside, I think you were a
Metro Police pice officer in DC before that. Talk about
your career. Why did you get into law enforcement? Jeff
Family in it and then just walked me through your
whole career there.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Absolutely, I mean get the sorts succinctly as possible.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
I started twenty five years with the DC Police and
I got into policing because my dad had actually gotten
sick early early on. He had got lakimia. Here's a
B fifty two pilot. He had been sick for a
number of years, but passed away when I was sixteen.
So after we got back from the funeral, we just
have to be visited by two friends of ours that
we used to live with right nearby California that became
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Fremont Police officers Carolyn brad Brown meaning still stay in
touch today. They had reached out and came to visit.
This was the same day that we had buried my dad,
and as a young sixteen year old, as a very
pivotal part of my life, I looked at and said,
you know what I think, I know what I want
to do, and at from that point on I was pursuing.
Right around twenty three, I applied to the couple different departments,
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but DC Police picked me up. Started there right around
twenty five. By the time I went into the academy,
got out and patrolled as an officer and what they
call the sixth District, which is Antacostia, one of the
most violent parts of Washington. D C. Was there for
a couple of years. Made sergeant, went to seventy, which
is also one of the most violent parts in Anacostia,
South Anacostia, down by South Capitol Street Congress Heights. Patrolled
(28:23):
there for a little bit and then started rising up
through the ranks. Became a lieutenant and then I got
a signed downtown for a little bit and went to
Special Operations Division, where I kind of stayed from lieutenant
on doing all the major events, major demonstrations in Washington.
D C. Made Captain inspector, being commander of the Special
Operations Division from twenty ten to twenty fifteen, and that's
(28:44):
when I retired. At the end of the very last day,
December thirty first, twenty fifteen, I retired. We had the
Pope come visit in October, and I figured that it's
a good time to head out. Went out and you know,
kind of worked a little bit in the private sector
for just about eight months, and then the House and
Senate Sergeant Arms approached me to come over and become
the assistant chief of Operations for Capitol Police and January seventh.
(29:08):
I started in twenty seventeen, started at the US Capitol
Police just a few days before Trump's inauguration, and I'd
been involved in It's probably my fifth or sixth inauguration
I've been involved in planning of so they brought me
in right before that and was there, and then in
May became the May of twenty nineteen, became the chief
and started revamping a lot of operations and capabilities, and
(29:30):
then January sixth happened and I was removed from the
position the very next day by Spear Pelosi. And I'm
sure our conversation is going to cover a couple of
things along.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
There, absolutely, but before that, let's set in place our
procedure so we know the context within which we're working.
I was with Senator Cruz at an event in Milwaukee
a few years ago, and he had a large contingent
of Capitol Police, and I learned that those are a
sign based on kind of death threats, and it's all
on the screen, as you know. And it turns out
(30:00):
he was getting more death threats and than Pelosi and
every other member of Congress combined, and it was kind
of interesting to me that that was you know that
that unlike the president, which is kind of you know,
designated secret service for the president. It was sort of
where is the threat right now? It might be Jasmine
Crockett on Monday, it might be Ted Cruz on on Thursday,
or whoever that might be. But talk to me about
(30:21):
how the capital police chief is hired and to whom
they report in take orders.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Okay, and you're you're you're absolutely right about what you
just you just mentioned. We do statutory security details for
the leadership, the four on the House and the Senate side,
and then others based on the threat. So you're a
sure right there. So the Capitol police chief, and it's interesting,
it's not like any other police chief in the country.
I report to a Capitol Police Board. They're the one
that hire and fire me. Uh we'll get into that too.
(30:53):
They're the ones that really have the hiring authority, but
they only do it with the approval of Senate leadership
and House leadershi of h So when I was first hired,
you had let's see, Schumer was over on the for
the chief's position. The humor was over on the Senate
side and Pelos who was on the House side, and
they both had to approve my hiring for the position.
(31:14):
So you go through, and what's interesting to understand is
the Capitol Police Board is made up of four individuals,
the House and Senate Sergeant Arms, who are considered to
be the lead law enforcement agent for the House and
for the for the and one for the Senate. So
when you think of the chief as the top law
enforcement official for the legislative branch, I'm sorry. When you
think of the chief as top law enforcement official for
the legislative branch, that's not the case. The Senate and
(31:36):
the House Starge Arms actually are are above me. The
third person in the Capitol Police Board is the architect
of the Capitol, and then the fourth person is the
chief of Police. The three people that are politically appointed,
the House and Senate Sarge Arms, the or Extecut and
the Capitol all have a vote on how things go
for the Capitol Police and they covered They control everything
from some schedules, which doors we cover, which equipment we
(31:59):
can use. If I want to get my officer's tasers,
I had to go to the Capitol Police Board and
get approval and I had to go to my oversight
Committe and get aproval for them. If I wanted to,
like deploy fencing, I got to go to the Capitol
Police Board if I want to everything, pretty much all
operations has to be approved by the Capitol of Base Boards.
That just gives you a little bit of an idea
what I'm dealing with. No, Yeah, as the chief, it's
(32:20):
very political. It's very political because they the House and
Senate Sergeant arms who carry mostly weight, don't want to
do anything that's going to upset their congressional leader. So
we may be having a hearing on the Supreme Court
justice being nominated, and I want to put up certain offencing. Well,
one side they want no fencing put up so protesters
(32:41):
can come in, you know, proms or you know. The
other side they want to shut down all the buildings
in public entry so we don't have That's.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Going to be a good segue into our next discussion point.
Our guest is Steven Sund who was the Chief of
police of the Capitol Police on January sixth, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That fateful day.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Will talk about his perspective, which I bet you haven't heard,
and may be surprised by coming up
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