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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Time time luck and load.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
The Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It is time we revisit COVID. There are people trying
to bring it back. It's like bell bottoms and wings
and beads. There are just things people keep trying to
bring back. Mary Tally Bowden is a reminder as to
why we should not. We still don't have all the information.
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We still have not revealed all the misinformation. We still
have not cast blame, and of course, most importantly, we
still have not punished those who deserve to be punished.
Mary Tally Boden has a new book out.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh, I did not realize.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Did you see the name of the book, How Michael
Barry Changed My Life?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Wow? That is really nice.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Mary Tally, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yes, the majority of the book is all about you, Michael.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
She did threaten that I should probably read it before
she published it because I wouldn't like some of it,
and I said, that's okay, I just won't read it.
I'll just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say
it didn't get published. First of all, let's go back
to the first time.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You were on.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You told Ramon it was August of twenty one, It
was not. It was spring of twenty twenty. COVID was
not a big deal yet. And I had you on
because I saw a video of you that described self
described you as doctor snotsucker, and I said, any attractive woman,
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doctor who can go by that name, that's that's I
like her already. And then I had you on and
we'd never met, and I kidded with you relentlessly, and
you told me afterwards that everybody said I was mean
to you.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Does any of that jog your memory?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yes, well, don't take this the wrong way, but I well,
I I mean, I honestly had no idea who you were.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I don't I ever listened to No.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I'm just saying no. But it just speaks to the
fact that I was not political at all. Like I
had never turned on an AM radio talk show in
my life, and I did not realize what I was
getting myself into when I talked to you and then.
But I'm very grateful, So let's just set the record straight.
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It was quite traumatic that interview because it was on
for three hours and I had actually never done an
interview like that.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I'd never done a live interview.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And I was not political, so I didn't know what
I was getting myself into. But I am very grateful Michael.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And we had dinner that night and my wife explained
to you, Oh no, no, he's that's he's jocular with people.
He really likes. That just means he really likes you.
And it is oh okay, if that's what that means,
all right. Uh, let's talk about your journey. So you
went from being a very successful doctor with your own
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what was it oto laryn geology? Remember remember oto?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
What is it called.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Total laryngology?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word.
And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be
an E and T. And you didn't appreciate that because
nobody ever appreciates me. And you went from being a
person with a successful practice in a great location, a beautiful,
beautiful space, a beautiful, beautiful kids, everything going for you
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at the corner of Kirby and Richmond, to in relatively
short order, COVID begins to accelerate. And you did what
has to still seem crazy to you. You did what
we thought doctors were supposed to do. You passionately zealously
tried to heal people and treat them. Tell a little
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bit about that story, because that gets us to why
you wrote the book and all the horrible things that
happened to you and are still happening.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
So, I mean I had a very quiet practice Ranis
and Throat, and you know, we're used to treating respiratory infections,
that's part and parcels are specialty. And so when patients
started coming in, I you know, we didn't know what
we were dealing with necessarily, but I just kind of
used common sense and I just didn't I didn't have
the heart to turn people away, and I wasn't scared
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of getting sick, so I just let people in. And
at first, you know, I was pretty mainstream. I used
monoclonal antibodies and those worked great and they weren't controversial.
But then the government took away distribution of monoclona antibodies,
it became harder and harder to get, and so that's
when I turned to ivermectin, and I was very diligent
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about making sure it was safe before using it because
of all the controversy.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And what I found is.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I was still able to keep people out of the
hospital using ivermectin. At the same time, I was seeing
that these COVID shots were not working. And at the
time I had a collegial relationship with Houston Methodists. I
had privileges there, but only as a backstop as ear
nose and throat.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I do outpatient surgery.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Never use the hospital, and I was actually collaborating with
them on research. But when I saw that these shots
weren't working, and as Methodists was the first hospital in
the country to mandate the shots, and that was five
months before Biden, so they paved the way for the
rest of the country. It was a big deal. So
I started seeing that these shots weren't working because I
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was testing people and I saw that the people coming
in who were vaccinated were just as sick, if not sicker.
I reached out to them, I said, hey, what's going on.
They gas lit me. They said, oh, it just lowers
the severity. Well, I started speaking out on social media
and that was my fatal mistake, and they came after
me very publicly, very harshly. They suspended my privileges and
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I found out about it from the media. I found
out about it from a reporter at the Houston Chronicle.
So it just upended my life very quickly. I had
people from CNN watching them posts. I had people screaming
at me from Australia and calling me all sorts of names,
and I just decided to fight back. And I'm grateful
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to you because you really you were the first to
give me a voice and help me in that fight.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
As as methodists began to attack you, as your credibility
was attacked, as people who never met you, whenever your
patient knew nothing about your body of work began to
say and do horrible things related to you.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
What sustained you through that period.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well the truth.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I mean, when you're standing by the truth, it's not
so hard and seeing the patient's firsthand and witness everything
that I have stood by is what I have witness firsthand.
And when you treat albums of patients with the same
disease in a very short period of time, you quickly
become an expert. That's how you learn as a doctor.
You know based on how people respond to the treatment plan.
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And so I was very confident in what I was doing.
I was seeing results, I was keeping people out of
the hospital, and I was telling the truth and when
you have the truth, it's very easy to keep fighting.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah you say that, now, that was it was pretty nasty,
but they put you through.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But we're going to talk about what we have learned
from all of this.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The book is Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and
the Lies.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Mary Tally Bone doctor Mary Talibout our guest coming up
the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's Mary Tally, not Mary Janet.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It would be cooler if it was okay.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Doctor Mary Tally Boden is our guest. Her book, Dangerous Misinformation,
The Virus, The Treatment and the Lies. Looking back now,
with the body of knowledge you have, you've there are
probably five people in the country who've treated the most
COVID patients, and you would be one of those five.
You've been on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and most everywhere
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else talking about what happened and what happened to you.
Let's start with what happened. You talked about monoclonal antibodies
which you were unable to get, which was an effective treatment.
You talked about ivermectin. Going back and knowing what we
know now you are king for a day and you
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get to announce this is what we're going to do
to treat COVID.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
What would you do?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Well, you know, not certainly not introduce a gene modifying
experimental shot that doesn't work and mandate the country. I'll
get it and give it to small babies. A monoclon antibizer,
an option ivermechin worked very well, and yeah, a lot
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of times you'd have to use it in combination with
other men medications for more severe cases.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Breathing treatments that was a big one.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I mean, the hospitals would not even allow patients to
get breathing treatments. I talked to somebody yesterday who was
in the hospital and he would sneak into his bathroom
while he was in the hospital and give himself breathing
treatments and tell the nurses he was taking a shower.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I mean, how absurd is that? But yeah, and you know, basically.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Just giving the people in the front lines of people
actually treating COVID patients more say in the matter. I mean,
they were dictating standard of care over zoom calls. You know,
government officials who had no first hand experience actually treating
these patients.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
There are so many things I want to uncover here.
Do you do anything differently in your personal medical regimen
or advise your patients to since COVID that you learned
or adapted.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D. I look at
the most common lab abnormality I find is a low
vitamin D and the lab will tell you it needs
to be above thirty, but optimally you want it to
be above fifty. And people that are even taking supplement
are often under fifty, So that I would say that's
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sort of the most the biggest thing in terms of
keeping your immune system healthy.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
That's the answer the vitamin The reason for the vitamin
D is to strengthen your immune system.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I'm also you know I knew this before, but you
know sugar. You know infections love sugar, So managing your
weight and you know, I'm a big fan of carnivore diet,
you know, eliminating all carbohydrates. You don't have to do
it for the rest of your life, but it really
it helps you break down fat. And you know the
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carbohydrates the sugar infections just feed on that. So keeping
your weight under control and limiting your sugar intake is big.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But let me ask you this and I guess this
would also be true of you. It would be because
I've seen it. Is it possible to be on the
carnivore diet without posting about it fifty eight times per day?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Is? Does it still work?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I know?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But can you still do it?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
But what bothers? I'm just trying to fight all the
ozimpic propaganda. That's my purpose in doing that, that there's
a better way than injecting yourself with a medication that
costs twelve hundred dollars a month. So that's my past.
That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel
like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life.
You went to Stanford, you went to medical school, you
went to specialized training. You've been a single mom, you've
opened your own practice, you've had multiple employees, you're a
fitness buff, You've done a lot of things. Most people,
if we're being honest, most people don't have your level
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of discipline. So a person that's not able to shed
the weight or not willing, let me say that, not
willing to shed the weight, the ozimbic semaglue tide category
has been a godsend to them because sure, what you're
doing is working, but it's tough, and we know most
people are not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It's so rewarding when you start doing the carnivore. I mean,
it's a bit hard at first because the sugar cravings
are intense, but you start losing weight so quickly and
you're you know, I would bring bacon to or I
would eat bacon all day and eat steak and eggs.
And it was shocking to me because that just sort
of goes against what we've been told this whole time that.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You know fat is bad for you.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
You actually use fat as energy instead of sugar, and
it's amazing. It's very good for your brain too. You
can focus better. They're using it now for mental illness
to treat mental illness. I use it for treating seizures.
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think it's work.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
It doesn't hurt to try it, you know, And what
I was just I was shocked by the results, and
so I was able to maintain it. I was very
strict for six months. I'm not strict about now. Because
I got to the point where I had to keep
buying new clothes and and I was it was I
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didn't want to lose any more weight, so I don't.
I'm not strict about it anymore, but it's the results
are pretty.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Impressive for somebody that does want to try it. Was
there a particular book or site that you used as
a guideline.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, So there's a doctor who's pretty popular online, Ken Barry.
He has a lot of YouTube videos and I've actually
interviewed him to he has a lot of great information.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
How important when you look at now how you've changed
and how you advise patients to change.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
How important in all.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Of that is diet And what are the other aspects
of diet that you now are advising that are not
within your original core competency.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Well, I honestly think managing your weight is the number
one thing you can do for your health, because if
you're overweight, it affects everything else. It leads to high
blood pressure, it leads to heart disease, cancer, So.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It's fundamental.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
And yeah, I think we basically covered My big approach
is limiting the carbohydrates as much as you can, and
then you know exercise. I don't think people exercise. I
think is the best thing you can do for your
mental health. You never regret exercising when you do it.
You never want to do it, but when you're done,
you're you're.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So glad you did it right.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
You just have to remember that every time you're not
wanting to exercise. But I think it's the best thing
you can do for your mental health and relieving stress
and sleeping better. It's very basic, and we've kind of
lost that in medicine, and you know, honestly, you're not
really taught that in medical school.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It comes from life lessons more than anything.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I follow so many wellness folks, some doctors, many not.
And the consistency of cholesterol is not.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Your enemy and meets not your enemy.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lives. Mary
Tally Boden is our guest, will continue our conversation coming up.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I'm ting must be right. You are listening to Michael Berry.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Mary Tally Boden is our guest doctor Marry Tally Boden
of the new book Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment
and the Lies. Let's talk about what happened to you personally?
When did you first realize that simply practicing medicine to
heal people, which is supposed to be your calling, was
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subjecting you to professional and personal problems. Real I don't
recall anybody attacked like this, maybe Jack of Orkian doctor
death that that may be the only person I've ever
seen attacked in this manner to the extent that you were.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Well, I mean, I wasn't the only one out there
getting a chat, believe me.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean, I'm actually getting ready.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
The Federation of State Medical Boards is this national entity
that basically sent out a proclamation to all the state
medical boards to go after doctors who were, you know,
saying the things that I was saying. And initially I
was fairly conservative in what I said compared to what
I say now. I mean, I said vaccine mandates are
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wrong and iber mentioned works, and that's that's I said
that online, and that's what really got got me in trouble.
So yeah, it's uh, you know it basically, yeah, I
treated a lot of COVID patients, but in the grand
scheme of things, I was nothing.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It was, you know, I was just this, I really
make a.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Dent and things, But Houston Methodists went after me so
publicly that it just launched me into the public eye.
And then at that point I felt like I had
no choice but to fight back very.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Hard and walk people through.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't know how many people know exactly how bad
it got for you, And there were moments there where
you thought you would lose your ability to practice medicine.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Well, yeah, I'm still fighting for my medical license. The
Medical Board has been after me for four years now
and involves a patient, Jason Jones, who sheriff's deputy, father
of six. He was dying in the hospital, Texas Hugley
Hospital in Fort Worth. His wife sued the hospital because
they refused to allow him to try ivermecton as a
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last ditch effort. They were talking hospice. I testified. I
actually testified with Senator Bob Hall, and we won the case.
The court was ordered to grant me emergency temporary privileges.
We show up, A nurse shows up at the hospital
to give him ivermactin. She's greeted by the police and
they turned me into.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
The Medical Board, saying that I sent.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
A nurse into the hospital without privileges. The patient never
was allowed to get the ivermectin. He did make it
out of the hospital, but he was never able to
fully recover and he passed away. And now, ironically, as
of yesterday, it looks like Texas is going to make
ivermectin over the counter, which is bittersweet for me because yes,
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it should be over the counter.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But you know, there's so many people that he had.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
This patient tried to get ivermecton before going in the
hospital and he couldn't. But had he been able to
access early treatment, I doubt any of this would have happened.
And that that's a story that many people can relate to,
not just some Texas but across the country. So the
medical Board, I'm still you know, they are dragging us
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out as long as they possibly can, and you know,
I have lost so far, but I plan on appealing
once there. I'm waiting to hear my punishment. So they
determined that I was guilty because I set up nurse
to the hospital without having been granted privileges, and now
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I'm waiting to hear my punishment, and at that point
I will have to appeal further.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's just insane. Greg Abbott could make this stop but
he doesn't. You posted something a couple of weeks ago.
I get this question a lot since since the spike
protein seems to be a big problem. We continue to
see people dropping dead with no chronic illness at rates
far above we've seen in history, and the being that
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the mRNA quote unquote vaccine, which wasn't is the reason
for it. And you've talked a lot about spike proteins,
can you explain what is going on there?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Well, spike protein is the bad part of the virus,
and for some reason they decided to create a injection
that would where your body could produce spike protein on
its own indefinitely.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
With no stop button.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
So the COVID shots, you know, unfortunately, we do not
have a way to measure spike protein in the body,
at least the one that's.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Available to the public.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
So what I've been looking at is spike protein at
a body levels and it's a little bit muddy, but
what I'm seeing is very concerning because in patients that
have gotten the COVID shots, and this is just my patience,
it's almost two hundred patients I've looked at, the average
level is ten times higher the antibody level. Then patients
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that did not get never got COVID shot, and this
is four years after the fact, and most of these
people got two, maybe three shots, and many of these
patients the level is so high that it exceeds the
upper limit of the test, which is twenty five thousand.
So this average that I'm seeing and what I'm seeing
is about thirteen thousand in the patients that got the
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shot is actually an underestimation because we don't know how
high some of these patients are going. And then patients
that did not get the shots, the average that.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I'm seeing is thirteen hundred.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
It's just not normal, and we definitely need more research,
and we need NIH to help us with that research,
because there's just not enough people willing to even acknowledge
that there might be a problem.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
How many times you think you used the term spike
protein before COVID?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Never? Absolutely not, Yeah, never.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It's a concept I didn't even understand. My brother had
to take the shot to get continue being a police officer.
He did not want to take the shot, and he
dies shortly thereafter, and obviously I'm very bitter about that.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Reading about Jason.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Jones, I saw a post you put up with his
widow and his children. Obviously, as you said, they wouldn't
give a Deputy Jones ivermectin, and he died, And now
ivermectin's going to be over.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
The counter in the state of Texas.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It's just it's very, very frustrating watching our people die
seemingly willfully, not by neglect, but by will because people
refused to allow the treatments that were being proven to work.
And that makes me anger, angry, and bitter on a
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level that is not healthy, I can relate.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
It's basically politics, there were science, and it's bizarre to
me that. I mean, it's great to see that more
and more states are making ivermectin over the counter, but
they're treating it like the abortion till there's nothing ethically
controversial about ivermectin. If it's safe in Texas, it's safe
throughout the country. And honestly, we need the FDA just
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to make make the drug.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Over the counter because it is. It is incredibly safe.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
It's safer than antibiotics, it's safer than taylanal, and patients
are going to the feed store to get their medication,
which I at this point, I think it must be
safe because you would be hearing otherwise.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
But this is America.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
We should not be going We should not have to
go to the feed store to get our medications. Uh So,
I really hope that the FDA will put science over
politics and just make it.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Over the counter.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
The fact that they don't is a wake up call
to every American. I mean a lot of a lot
of dirty things were revealed out of all of this
dangerous misinformation, the virus of treatment and the lies.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Mary Taly Boden is our guest.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
All right, this is Mark Chestnut and Jar Bizar of
talk radio.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
That's just weird.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
You could have done doctor doctor. You could have done
all the doctor stuff. You could have done all sorts
of other stuff, and you choose to focus on the
first name and and derivations of the first name. That's weird,
very weird, Ramona, not normal behavior. Who Rogan wouldn't have
done that? You're feeling jealous? Dangerous misinformation, the virus, the treatment,
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and the lies. Mary tally Boden, the doctor author, a
celebrity guest of huge programs. Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, you know,
tell us something about those appearances, because I can't tell
you how many people they think we're like big buddies.
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They send just oh my god, your girl Mary Telly
Bowden is on Tuger Carlson and she's doing great. I
don't know if they thought you were gonna flop or what.
Talk about that. How was that experience?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Well, the best part of that experience is the vindication
it's given to my kids because people are now saying, oh,
your mom was on Joe Rogan, So that that has
been nice for the kids because they they had to
sort of hide who their mother was for a few years.
And I'll say, like, Tucker Carlson is very authentic and
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very candid. He told me things I couldn't believe he
was telling.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Me off air. And Joe Rogan was also great.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
It's interesting Joe Rogan, you would have no idea where
his studio is. It's in this like non descript sort
of warehouse looking thing. And Austen and yeah, I brought
I brought one kid to Tucker, and I brought another
kid to Rogan, and now I got to get two
more kids to two other shows.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
But you know, the best part of it was.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
The kids and having them have some pride in their
mother because what they're hearing from other people.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It also caused your social media presence where you talk
a lot about what you're going through, and you talk
a lot about COVID and the COVID overreaction and the
regulation and all of those sorts. I mean, it really
amplified your message dramatically, I guess.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I mean I didn't see my follower count explode or
anything like that. I mean, it just, you know, it's
been going up very steadily. I didn't see some sort
of huge explosion.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
But yeah, I guess is there any regret you have
through all of this, going back to the day before
you got involved.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I mean it has taken as tall. I am exhausted,
and if.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
You know, i'd been giving. If I had been given
a choice, I don't know that I would have chosen this,
But I mean I've learned a lot and I'm a
lot stronger. I mean, I used to hate public speaking,
and I was I'm pretty introverted, and so I've been
forced to use my voice, and yeah, I feel like
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I can help people by speaking out. And so, you know,
it hasn't been great, but I wouldn't I wouldn't change it.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
At this point, I think we all have purpose in life,
and some of us find it and some don't, and
sometimes that purpose changes with each season in life. But
I think you met your moment, and I think maybe
you never expected to be in the situations where you
ended up, and yet you rose to the occasion in
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a way you probably never could have guessed you would
summon that level of strength, And that has to be
that has to be a pretty cool experience to look
back on.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
That.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, I mean things came together in a way that
made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems
sort of fortuitous more than me actually choosing a path.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
It just kind of happened.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Uh, And yeah, it's like I said, it's strengthened me
in ways I never imagined. And yeah, I would just
encourage people. I mean, it's hard when you speak the
truth and you're outspoken about what you're seeing, it's it's difficult.
But after going through a very low point, I feel
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like I'm going, you know, I'm rising now. I'm still
in survival mode, but I do have I have one win.
I did, I sue the FDA in one but we
have we still have so much more fighting to do.
So yeah, I want I want my story to be
a triumph, not just survival.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, and that brings us to the next thing in
what your life looks like and where you see that
going forward in the near and long term. Obviously you've
moved your your clinic, you have they change. I get
emails from folks who say they can't get an appointment
with you, and I say, she's not taking new patients.
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She has her political side and she has her medical side.
What does that look like for you in the near
and long term?
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah, I mean I'm taking new patients now. Just I
was moving and it was just too chaotic to try.
I didn't want to, you know, take on more than
I could bite shoe off. And I'm going to, you know,
I mean continues to practice. I think that's key because
it keeps your finger on the pulse of what's going on.
I am going to do a weekly podcast. I'm collaborating
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with a an independent journalist, Shannon Joy and coming on
after her show, and it's going to be called on
Call with Doctor Mary Tally Boden. I'm going to focus
on answering questions because I'm sure you can relate my
DMS on social media are just flooded with people with
questions and requests and I just can't keep up with it.
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So I see this as a way, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I can.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I can answer the questions that the most people have
and get it all done once a week and give
people a voice. I mean, I've been interviewing people on
this other podcast platform called America out Loud News, and
I find it very gratifying because, like you, you gave
me a voice and it really was helpful. And so
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I like giving other people a voice when they've been
you know, persecuted or beaten down and giving them a
chance to share their story.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I find that very gratifying.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And when will that begin.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
It'll be on Wednesdays?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Is it on call?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
See all or c a w L because that's the
national dish of Wales.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It's a thick, it's like a stew.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I think it would be awesome if you did it
as on call and people tune in and they think
they're going to get COVID talk and instead you talked
about how to make the best Welsh stew. Now, that
would be very normal.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Donald, That is the first I've heard of that.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
So give it some thought. Give it some thought.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I could see you being big in Cardiff and it's
a whole new audience for you. Yes, you know, there's
Have you been to Wales? It's really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
No, I haven't Wales.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
It's like parts of Colorado that have no industry and
no business, no hardly anything. Just a little resort shop
there where you hire some guide to go for a hike.
And I could see that being I could see that
being really your moment. You know, there's Peter mccallaugh, others.
There's all these different guys out there doing the medical thing.
You could do the Welsh stew thing I run but
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never never acknowledge it's that would be the memory of
Norm MacDonald living on Mary Tylly Boden. I am so
proud to call you my friend. You are really and
I know you don't take well to compliments you like
Chad Knakanishi, but you really are a hero. What you
have done, the people you have saved, and the voice
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you have found, and your willingness to continue to fight
and show people to fight the way Trump did after
he got shot in the head, it's incredibly inspiring. The
book is dangerous misinformation by it today the virus, the
treatment and the lies. Thank you, my dear, Thank you
for spending an hour with us.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Thank you, Michael Raymon.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Do you know what that would cost if we had
gone into her clinic? Did have been on our show
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And they would have been needles involved,
It's that time.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Time time luck and load.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
The Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It is time we revisit COVID. There are people trying
to bring it back. It's like bell bottoms and wings
and beads. There are just things people keep trying to
bring back. Mary Tally Bowden is a reminder as to
why we should not. We still don't have all the information.
(00:54):
We still have not revealed all the misinformation. We still
have not cast blame, and of course, most importantly, we
still have not punished those who deserve to be punished.
Mary Tally Boden has a new book out.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh, I did not realize.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Did you see the name of the book, How Michael
Barry Changed My Life?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Wow? That is really nice.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Mary Tally, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yes, the majority of the book is all about you, Michael.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
She did threaten that I should probably read it before
she published it because I wouldn't like some of it,
and I said, that's okay, I just won't read it.
I'll just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say
it didn't get published. First of all, let's go back
to the first time.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You were on.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You told Ramon it was August of twenty one, It
was not. It was spring of twenty twenty. COVID was
not a big deal yet. And I had you on
because I saw a video of you that described self
described you as doctor snotsucker, and I said, any attractive woman,
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doctor who can go by that name, that's that's I
like her already. And then I had you on and
we'd never met, and I kidded with you relentlessly, and
you told me afterwards that everybody said I was mean
to you.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Does any of that jog your memory?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yes, well, don't take this the wrong way, but I well,
I I mean, I honestly had no idea who you were.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I don't I ever listened to No.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I'm just saying no. But it just speaks to the
fact that I was not political at all. Like I
had never turned on an AM radio talk show in
my life, and I did not realize what I was
getting myself into when I talked to you and then.
But I'm very grateful, So let's just set the record straight.
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It was quite traumatic that interview because it was on
for three hours and I had actually never done an
interview like that.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I'd never done a live interview.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And I was not political, so I didn't know what
I was getting myself into. But I am very grateful Michael.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And we had dinner that night and my wife explained
to you, Oh no, no, he's that's he's jocular with people.
He really likes. That just means he really likes you.
And it is oh okay, if that's what that means,
all right. Uh, let's talk about your journey. So you
went from being a very successful doctor with your own
(03:34):
what was it oto laryn geology? Remember remember oto?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
What is it called.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Total laryngology?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word.
And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be
an E and T. And you didn't appreciate that because
nobody ever appreciates me. And you went from being a
person with a successful practice in a great location, a beautiful,
beautiful space, a beautiful, beautiful kids, everything going for you
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at the corner of Kirby and Richmond, to in relatively
short order, COVID begins to accelerate. And you did what
has to still seem crazy to you. You did what
we thought doctors were supposed to do. You passionately zealously
tried to heal people and treat them. Tell a little
(04:25):
bit about that story, because that gets us to why
you wrote the book and all the horrible things that
happened to you and are still happening.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
So, I mean I had a very quiet practice Ranis
and Throat, and you know, we're used to treating respiratory infections,
that's part and parcels are specialty. And so when patients
started coming in, I you know, we didn't know what
we were dealing with necessarily, but I just kind of
used common sense and I just didn't I didn't have
the heart to turn people away, and I wasn't scared
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of getting sick, so I just let people in. And
at first, you know, I was pretty mainstream. I used
monoclonal antibodies and those worked great and they weren't controversial.
But then the government took away distribution of monoclona antibodies,
it became harder and harder to get, and so that's
when I turned to ivermectin, and I was very diligent
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about making sure it was safe before using it because
of all the controversy.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And what I found is.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I was still able to keep people out of the
hospital using ivermectin. At the same time, I was seeing
that these COVID shots were not working. And at the
time I had a collegial relationship with Houston Methodists. I
had privileges there, but only as a backstop as ear
nose and throat.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I do outpatient surgery.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Never use the hospital, and I was actually collaborating with
them on research. But when I saw that these shots
weren't working, and as Methodists was the first hospital in
the country to mandate the shots, and that was five
months before Biden, so they paved the way for the
rest of the country. It was a big deal. So
I started seeing that these shots weren't working because I
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was testing people and I saw that the people coming
in who were vaccinated were just as sick, if not sicker.
I reached out to them, I said, hey, what's going on.
They gas lit me. They said, oh, it just lowers
the severity. Well, I started speaking out on social media
and that was my fatal mistake, and they came after
me very publicly, very harshly. They suspended my privileges and
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I found out about it from the media. I found
out about it from a reporter at the Houston Chronicle.
So it just upended my life very quickly. I had
people from CNN watching them posts. I had people screaming
at me from Australia and calling me all sorts of names,
and I just decided to fight back. And I'm grateful
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to you because you really you were the first to
give me a voice and help me in that fight.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
As as methodists began to attack you, as your credibility
was attacked, as people who never met you, whenever your
patient knew nothing about your body of work began to
say and do horrible things related to you.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
What sustained you through that period.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well the truth.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I mean, when you're standing by the truth, it's not
so hard and seeing the patient's firsthand and witness everything
that I have stood by is what I have witness firsthand.
And when you treat albums of patients with the same
disease in a very short period of time, you quickly
become an expert. That's how you learn as a doctor.
You know based on how people respond to the treatment plan.
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And so I was very confident in what I was doing.
I was seeing results, I was keeping people out of
the hospital, and I was telling the truth and when
you have the truth, it's very easy to keep fighting.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah you say that, now, that was it was pretty nasty,
but they put you through.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But we're going to talk about what we have learned
from all of this.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The book is Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and
the Lies.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Mary Tally Bone doctor Mary Talibout our guest coming up
the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's Mary Tally, not Mary Janet.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It would be cooler if it was okay.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Doctor Mary Tally Boden is our guest. Her book, Dangerous Misinformation,
The Virus, The Treatment and the Lies. Looking back now,
with the body of knowledge you have, you've there are
probably five people in the country who've treated the most
COVID patients, and you would be one of those five.
You've been on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and most everywhere
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else talking about what happened and what happened to you.
Let's start with what happened. You talked about monoclonal antibodies
which you were unable to get, which was an effective treatment.
You talked about ivermectin. Going back and knowing what we
know now you are king for a day and you
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get to announce this is what we're going to do
to treat COVID.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
What would you do?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Well, you know, not certainly not introduce a gene modifying
experimental shot that doesn't work and mandate the country. I'll
get it and give it to small babies. A monoclon antibizer,
an option ivermechin worked very well, and yeah, a lot
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of times you'd have to use it in combination with
other men medications for more severe cases.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Breathing treatments that was a big one.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I mean, the hospitals would not even allow patients to
get breathing treatments. I talked to somebody yesterday who was
in the hospital and he would sneak into his bathroom
while he was in the hospital and give himself breathing
treatments and tell the nurses he was taking a shower.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I mean, how absurd is that? But yeah, and you know, basically.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Just giving the people in the front lines of people
actually treating COVID patients more say in the matter. I mean,
they were dictating standard of care over zoom calls. You know,
government officials who had no first hand experience actually treating
these patients.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
There are so many things I want to uncover here.
Do you do anything differently in your personal medical regimen
or advise your patients to since COVID that you learned
or adapted.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D. I look at
the most common lab abnormality I find is a low
vitamin D and the lab will tell you it needs
to be above thirty, but optimally you want it to
be above fifty. And people that are even taking supplement
are often under fifty, So that I would say that's
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sort of the most the biggest thing in terms of
keeping your immune system healthy.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
That's the answer the vitamin The reason for the vitamin
D is to strengthen your immune system.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I'm also you know I knew this before, but you
know sugar. You know infections love sugar, So managing your
weight and you know, I'm a big fan of carnivore diet,
you know, eliminating all carbohydrates. You don't have to do
it for the rest of your life, but it really
it helps you break down fat. And you know the
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carbohydrates the sugar infections just feed on that. So keeping
your weight under control and limiting your sugar intake is big.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But let me ask you this and I guess this
would also be true of you. It would be because
I've seen it. Is it possible to be on the
carnivore diet without posting about it fifty eight times per day?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Is? Does it still work?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I know?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But can you still do it?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
But what bothers? I'm just trying to fight all the
ozimpic propaganda. That's my purpose in doing that, that there's
a better way than injecting yourself with a medication that
costs twelve hundred dollars a month. So that's my past.
That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel
like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life.
You went to Stanford, you went to medical school, you
went to specialized training. You've been a single mom, you've
opened your own practice, you've had multiple employees, you're a
fitness buff, You've done a lot of things. Most people,
if we're being honest, most people don't have your level
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of discipline. So a person that's not able to shed
the weight or not willing, let me say that, not
willing to shed the weight, the ozimbic semaglue tide category
has been a godsend to them because sure, what you're
doing is working, but it's tough, and we know most
people are not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It's so rewarding when you start doing the carnivore. I mean,
it's a bit hard at first because the sugar cravings
are intense, but you start losing weight so quickly and
you're you know, I would bring bacon to or I
would eat bacon all day and eat steak and eggs.
And it was shocking to me because that just sort
of goes against what we've been told this whole time that.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You know fat is bad for you.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
You actually use fat as energy instead of sugar, and
it's amazing. It's very good for your brain too. You
can focus better. They're using it now for mental illness
to treat mental illness. I use it for treating seizures.
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think it's work.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
It doesn't hurt to try it, you know, And what
I was just I was shocked by the results, and
so I was able to maintain it. I was very
strict for six months. I'm not strict about now. Because
I got to the point where I had to keep
buying new clothes and and I was it was I
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didn't want to lose any more weight, so I don't.
I'm not strict about it anymore, but it's the results
are pretty.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Impressive for somebody that does want to try it. Was
there a particular book or site that you used as
a guideline.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, So there's a doctor who's pretty popular online, Ken Barry.
He has a lot of YouTube videos and I've actually
interviewed him to he has a lot of great information.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
How important when you look at now how you've changed
and how you advise patients to change.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
How important in all.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Of that is diet And what are the other aspects
of diet that you now are advising that are not
within your original core competency.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Well, I honestly think managing your weight is the number
one thing you can do for your health, because if
you're overweight, it affects everything else. It leads to high
blood pressure, it leads to heart disease, cancer, So.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It's fundamental.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
And yeah, I think we basically covered My big approach
is limiting the carbohydrates as much as you can, and
then you know exercise. I don't think people exercise. I
think is the best thing you can do for your
mental health. You never regret exercising when you do it.
You never want to do it, but when you're done,
you're you're.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So glad you did it right.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
You just have to remember that every time you're not
wanting to exercise. But I think it's the best thing
you can do for your mental health and relieving stress
and sleeping better. It's very basic, and we've kind of
lost that in medicine, and you know, honestly, you're not
really taught that in medical school.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
It comes from life lessons more than anything.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I follow so many wellness folks, some doctors, many not.
And the consistency of cholesterol is not.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Your enemy and meets not your enemy.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lives. Mary
Tally Boden is our guest, will continue our conversation coming up.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I'm ting must be right. You are listening to Michael Berry.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Mary Tally Boden is our guest doctor Marry Tally Boden
of the new book Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment
and the Lies. Let's talk about what happened to you personally?
When did you first realize that simply practicing medicine to
heal people, which is supposed to be your calling, was
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subjecting you to professional and personal problems. Real I don't
recall anybody attacked like this, maybe Jack of Orkian doctor
death that that may be the only person I've ever
seen attacked in this manner to the extent that you were.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Well, I mean, I wasn't the only one out there
getting a chat, believe me.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean, I'm actually getting ready.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
The Federation of State Medical Boards is this national entity
that basically sent out a proclamation to all the state
medical boards to go after doctors who were, you know,
saying the things that I was saying. And initially I
was fairly conservative in what I said compared to what
I say now. I mean, I said vaccine mandates are
(17:51):
wrong and iber mentioned works, and that's that's I said
that online, and that's what really got got me in trouble.
So yeah, it's uh, you know it basically, yeah, I
treated a lot of COVID patients, but in the grand
scheme of things, I was nothing.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It was, you know, I was just this, I really
make a.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Dent and things, But Houston Methodists went after me so
publicly that it just launched me into the public eye.
And then at that point I felt like I had
no choice but to fight back very.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Hard and walk people through.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't know how many people know exactly how bad
it got for you, And there were moments there where
you thought you would lose your ability to practice medicine.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Well, yeah, I'm still fighting for my medical license. The
Medical Board has been after me for four years now
and involves a patient, Jason Jones, who sheriff's deputy, father
of six. He was dying in the hospital, Texas Hugley
Hospital in Fort Worth. His wife sued the hospital because
they refused to allow him to try ivermecton as a
(19:01):
last ditch effort. They were talking hospice. I testified. I
actually testified with Senator Bob Hall, and we won the case.
The court was ordered to grant me emergency temporary privileges.
We show up, A nurse shows up at the hospital
to give him ivermactin. She's greeted by the police and
they turned me into.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
The Medical Board, saying that I sent.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
A nurse into the hospital without privileges. The patient never
was allowed to get the ivermectin. He did make it
out of the hospital, but he was never able to
fully recover and he passed away. And now, ironically, as
of yesterday, it looks like Texas is going to make
ivermectin over the counter, which is bittersweet for me because yes,
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it should be over the counter.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But you know, there's so many people that he had.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
This patient tried to get ivermecton before going in the
hospital and he couldn't. But had he been able to
access early treatment, I doubt any of this would have happened.
And that that's a story that many people can relate to,
not just some Texas but across the country. So the
medical Board, I'm still you know, they are dragging us
(20:12):
out as long as they possibly can, and you know,
I have lost so far, but I plan on appealing
once there. I'm waiting to hear my punishment. So they
determined that I was guilty because I set up nurse
to the hospital without having been granted privileges, and now
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I'm waiting to hear my punishment, and at that point
I will have to appeal further.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's just insane. Greg Abbott could make this stop but
he doesn't. You posted something a couple of weeks ago.
I get this question a lot since since the spike
protein seems to be a big problem. We continue to
see people dropping dead with no chronic illness at rates
far above we've seen in history, and the being that
(21:00):
the mRNA quote unquote vaccine, which wasn't is the reason
for it. And you've talked a lot about spike proteins,
can you explain what is going on there?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Well, spike protein is the bad part of the virus,
and for some reason they decided to create a injection
that would where your body could produce spike protein on
its own indefinitely.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
With no stop button.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
So the COVID shots, you know, unfortunately, we do not
have a way to measure spike protein in the body,
at least the one that's.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Available to the public.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
So what I've been looking at is spike protein at
a body levels and it's a little bit muddy, but
what I'm seeing is very concerning because in patients that
have gotten the COVID shots, and this is just my patience,
it's almost two hundred patients I've looked at, the average
level is ten times higher the antibody level. Then patients
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that did not get never got COVID shot, and this
is four years after the fact, and most of these
people got two, maybe three shots, and many of these
patients the level is so high that it exceeds the
upper limit of the test, which is twenty five thousand.
So this average that I'm seeing and what I'm seeing
is about thirteen thousand in the patients that got the
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shot is actually an underestimation because we don't know how
high some of these patients are going. And then patients
that did not get the shots, the average that.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
I'm seeing is thirteen hundred.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
It's just not normal, and we definitely need more research,
and we need NIH to help us with that research,
because there's just not enough people willing to even acknowledge
that there might be a problem.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
How many times you think you used the term spike
protein before COVID?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Never? Absolutely not, Yeah, never.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It's a concept I didn't even understand. My brother had
to take the shot to get continue being a police officer.
He did not want to take the shot, and he
dies shortly thereafter, and obviously I'm very bitter about that.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Reading about Jason.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Jones, I saw a post you put up with his
widow and his children. Obviously, as you said, they wouldn't
give a Deputy Jones ivermectin, and he died, And now
ivermectin's going to be over.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
The counter in the state of Texas.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It's just it's very, very frustrating watching our people die
seemingly willfully, not by neglect, but by will because people
refused to allow the treatments that were being proven to work.
And that makes me anger, angry, and bitter on a
(23:47):
level that is not healthy, I can relate.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
It's basically politics, there were science, and it's bizarre to
me that. I mean, it's great to see that more
and more states are making ivermectin over the counter, but
they're treating it like the abortion till there's nothing ethically
controversial about ivermectin. If it's safe in Texas, it's safe
throughout the country. And honestly, we need the FDA just
(24:15):
to make make the drug.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Over the counter because it is. It is incredibly safe.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
It's safer than antibiotics, it's safer than taylanal, and patients
are going to the feed store to get their medication,
which I at this point, I think it must be
safe because you would be hearing otherwise.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
But this is America.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
We should not be going We should not have to
go to the feed store to get our medications. Uh So,
I really hope that the FDA will put science over
politics and just make it.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Over the counter.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
The fact that they don't is a wake up call
to every American. I mean a lot of a lot
of dirty things were revealed out of all of this
dangerous misinformation, the virus of treatment and the lies.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Mary Taly Boden is our guest.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
All right, this is Mark Chestnut and Jar Bizar of
talk radio.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
That's just weird.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
You could have done doctor doctor. You could have done
all the doctor stuff. You could have done all sorts
of other stuff, and you choose to focus on the
first name and and derivations of the first name. That's weird,
very weird, Ramona, not normal behavior. Who Rogan wouldn't have
done that? You're feeling jealous? Dangerous misinformation, the virus, the treatment,
(25:37):
and the lies. Mary tally Boden, the doctor author, a
celebrity guest of huge programs. Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, you know,
tell us something about those appearances, because I can't tell
you how many people they think we're like big buddies.
(25:58):
They send just oh my god, your girl Mary Telly
Bowden is on Tuger Carlson and she's doing great. I
don't know if they thought you were gonna flop or what.
Talk about that. How was that experience?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Well, the best part of that experience is the vindication
it's given to my kids because people are now saying, oh,
your mom was on Joe Rogan, So that that has
been nice for the kids because they they had to
sort of hide who their mother was for a few years.
And I'll say, like, Tucker Carlson is very authentic and
(26:38):
very candid. He told me things I couldn't believe he
was telling.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Me off air. And Joe Rogan was also great.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
It's interesting Joe Rogan, you would have no idea where
his studio is. It's in this like non descript sort
of warehouse looking thing. And Austen and yeah, I brought
I brought one kid to Tucker, and I brought another
kid to Rogan, and now I got to get two
more kids to two other shows.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
But you know, the best part of it was.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
The kids and having them have some pride in their
mother because what they're hearing from other people.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It also caused your social media presence where you talk
a lot about what you're going through, and you talk
a lot about COVID and the COVID overreaction and the
regulation and all of those sorts. I mean, it really
amplified your message dramatically, I guess.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I mean I didn't see my follower count explode or
anything like that. I mean, it just, you know, it's
been going up very steadily. I didn't see some sort
of huge explosion.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
But yeah, I guess is there any regret you have
through all of this, going back to the day before
you got involved.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I mean it has taken as tall. I am exhausted,
and if.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
You know, i'd been giving. If I had been given
a choice, I don't know that I would have chosen this,
But I mean I've learned a lot and I'm a
lot stronger. I mean, I used to hate public speaking,
and I was I'm pretty introverted, and so I've been
forced to use my voice, and yeah, I feel like
(28:23):
I can help people by speaking out. And so, you know,
it hasn't been great, but I wouldn't I wouldn't change it.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
At this point, I think we all have purpose in life,
and some of us find it and some don't, and
sometimes that purpose changes with each season in life. But
I think you met your moment, and I think maybe
you never expected to be in the situations where you
ended up, and yet you rose to the occasion in
(28:55):
a way you probably never could have guessed you would
summon that level of strength, And that has to be
that has to be a pretty cool experience to look
back on.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
That.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, I mean things came together in a way that
made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems
sort of fortuitous more than me actually choosing a path.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
It just kind of happened.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Uh, And yeah, it's like I said, it's strengthened me
in ways I never imagined. And yeah, I would just
encourage people. I mean, it's hard when you speak the
truth and you're outspoken about what you're seeing, it's it's difficult.
But after going through a very low point, I feel
(29:45):
like I'm going, you know, I'm rising now. I'm still
in survival mode, but I do have I have one win.
I did, I sue the FDA in one but we
have we still have so much more fighting to do.
So yeah, I want I want my story to be
a triumph, not just survival.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, and that brings us to the next thing in
what your life looks like and where you see that
going forward in the near and long term. Obviously you've
moved your your clinic, you have they change. I get
emails from folks who say they can't get an appointment
with you, and I say, she's not taking new patients.
(30:26):
She has her political side and she has her medical side.
What does that look like for you in the near
and long term?
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah, I mean I'm taking new patients now. Just I
was moving and it was just too chaotic to try.
I didn't want to, you know, take on more than
I could bite shoe off. And I'm going to, you know,
I mean continues to practice. I think that's key because
it keeps your finger on the pulse of what's going on.
I am going to do a weekly podcast. I'm collaborating
(30:59):
with a an independent journalist, Shannon Joy and coming on
after her show, and it's going to be called on
Call with Doctor Mary Tally Boden. I'm going to focus
on answering questions because I'm sure you can relate my
DMS on social media are just flooded with people with
questions and requests and I just can't keep up with it.
(31:20):
So I see this as a way, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I can.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I can answer the questions that the most people have
and get it all done once a week and give
people a voice. I mean, I've been interviewing people on
this other podcast platform called America out Loud News, and
I find it very gratifying because, like you, you gave
me a voice and it really was helpful. And so
(31:44):
I like giving other people a voice when they've been
you know, persecuted or beaten down and giving them a
chance to share their story.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I find that very gratifying.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And when will that begin.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
It'll be on Wednesdays?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Is it on call?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
See all or c a w L because that's the
national dish of Wales.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It's a thick, it's like a stew.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I think it would be awesome if you did it
as on call and people tune in and they think
they're going to get COVID talk and instead you talked
about how to make the best Welsh stew. Now, that
would be very normal.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Donald, That is the first I've heard of that.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
So give it some thought. Give it some thought.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I could see you being big in Cardiff and it's
a whole new audience for you. Yes, you know, there's
Have you been to Wales? It's really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
No, I haven't Wales.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
It's like parts of Colorado that have no industry and
no business, no hardly anything. Just a little resort shop
there where you hire some guide to go for a hike.
And I could see that being I could see that
being really your moment. You know, there's Peter mccallaugh, others.
There's all these different guys out there doing the medical thing.
You could do the Welsh stew thing I run but
(33:01):
never never acknowledge it's that would be the memory of
Norm MacDonald living on Mary Tylly Boden. I am so
proud to call you my friend. You are really and
I know you don't take well to compliments you like
Chad Knakanishi, but you really are a hero. What you
have done, the people you have saved, and the voice
(33:21):
you have found, and your willingness to continue to fight
and show people to fight the way Trump did after
he got shot in the head, it's incredibly inspiring. The
book is dangerous misinformation by it today the virus, the
treatment and the lies. Thank you, my dear, Thank you
for spending an hour with us.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Thank you, Michael Raymon.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Do you know what that would cost if we had
gone into her clinic? Did have been on our show
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And they would have been needles involved,
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